"I Bought A Ticket To Wifi!" (w/ Tim Platt)

One would call it a feud starring Susan Surrandon and just now, Um Bowen came for me on the podcast the segment I don't think so, honey, and both Bowen and our guest Chrissy Shackelford said, I don't think so, honey, Matt fucking Rogers. You say this as if there's no precedent for it, and you historically on I believe it was Sam Tagger its episode came for me and I don't think so, honey. So it's not like it's not

like this is this is hasn't been done before. You know what, I'm just saying, like, are we on good terms or not? Well, I don't know, Matt, it seems like we're on great terms. But then as soon as as soon as our producer Alex hits record. You know, are you saying I'm playing a role on this podcast, You're saying I'm not being my real ground itself. Are you're saying, and I'm not bringing the T one hundred. You're you're not bringing the T one hundred. You're you're

putting on a mask. I am bringing the T one hundred, Arnold Swartzenegger and the first film of Terminator. Honey, that's me always. Well, girl, you know what I'm I'm willing to just keep this ball in the air while we're recording, and if you want to, if you want to come for me, bitch, then stay then stay for me. Okay, stay for a while, and you the listeners, stay for a while. You better stay for our guest. Such an amazing guest, and it's a first for us, and we'll

get that first. We'll get to that in a moment um. You know, our guest from Cartoon Monsoon unbelievable, incredible show here in New York and also his work with Mofri Passic in the group SEC and Plat all around the city doing amazing work. One of my favorite duos. I think you guys are incredible microphone scenes, honey. He also is known renowned for his gift cards and greeting cards. You can find them at I Love gift Cards dot com dot com or on his Instagram at I Am

King Bozo. And you might also have seen him on the special without Brett Davis as a frequent guest. He um gosh, is he has this one has a screen presence. He's all over the place. And let me tell you something. He jumps off the screen. He jumps off the stage and he's jumping into your ears right now. Everybody, please please welcome wonderful, lovely boy. Wonderful lovely boy. I think that's you. I'll take. I'll take lovely boy. You don't want to be wonderful? Which Tim has been this self

labeled best boy? Best boy? That was? I don't know if that was self labeled. Maybe not the best boy. I know Anna calls me best times. Maybe it's like a story parents thing, but it's been hurled at me and I've accepted it with open arm. I think you are the best boy. In fact, I think you're the best boy so much that I'm ready to announce it. Announced Tim Platt is the first straight man to guess on lost cultures that congratulations, this is unprecedented hunting. I mean,

don't ever say last culture assess didn't give you a diversity. No, finally we are giving you color and life. Finally spice with Tim Platt. I'm incredibly happy to be here and incredibly honored could be here, and I might much appreciate everything that you all do. That's such a real thing though. It's like when I was growing up, like the straight the when I was trying to be straight in school and I talk like this, like I brought my voice down't like this, like it's really spoken, like a voice

is like a little bit lower. And I heard recently heard my like eleven year old cousin doing it, and I was like I wanted to get down at his level and be like, don't do it. It's like a

young boy. I think it's like the talk lower than you usually than you you're supposed to talk, or like the idea that you can like fool someone by talking like this if it sounds incredibly forced and like the young young I love young boys because they like have such goofy gay little instincts, but they they mask them. They get to a certain point and it's like no, like guns and stuff. They make a decision that intimacy

is like a problem. They make it. That's what it is, an act decision I think young boys make and then like and then it will come out and they'll be like, oh no, we can't be like we can't love each other, we can't love each other, we can't touch each other. But little boys always on top of each other. What you too, specifically do, Matt and Tim, you guys will choose to pull out the you know, the gravelly gruff, lower timber voice, and viscerally when either of you do,

it's specifically it's for you too. Viscerally it's just painful for me to listen to because it's I don't know why if it takes me back somewhere, if it takes me back to a certain person for real, Like if that sounds like serious, very much appreciate that, but I have to say that, like your pain is like not

my fault, literally quite honestly not my problem. And honest see, if you were like in like in this school right now, like people would come at you if you can seriously for real, you don't want to like, honestly, I yeah, oh my god, imagine imagine imagine living like that disgusting that's Long Island. Though. Wow. My dad like he like he wants me to be like a business major, and like I I kind of think I want to major in English, but I don't. It's like it's like a um, so,

now we're talking and we're living in the past. I think this is a great opportunity, yes, to ask Tima the question. I love. This question is a central question. This is an essential question. It's what culture shaped you? Tim, tell us a little bit about your upbringing, what made you decide that culture was for you? What made you say culture? I accept this. I want to pursue it. Can I first say that before I answer this question, I want to say that, like, as as a listener

of this podcast, I love this question so much. And the first time I heard it, I was a little startled because it's so vast but so specific that it's an incredible way to open a conversation. It's just like, I really think that what culture is for you? It's like it's so and everybody answers a different way. Yeah, we've had people talk about where they grew up and just to talk about that, and then some people go directly to like a movie or a television show. Yeah. Um,

so it's very open ended. I used to follow up and qualify that question by saying, what movies, books, tv would you watch that shaped you? But I feel like that's even then too specific, and the beauty of the question is that it's so broad and open ended. Yes, as this beautiful que I will answer this question. Um. I think the culture. I think the X Men were like super huge for me, like comics, comic books and comic strips in general, and then X Men specifically as

like a superhero team. We're really big for me, and like one of the first things I remember being like, I have to know everything about this. You read the comic books, yeah, and you watched the television show yeah yeah, and then you got into the movies when they came out. For sure. I did like the movies I love I

mean Nightcrawler was my favorite. So like X two, I was like that opening scene, I feel like it's been it's been said before, it has been said before, and it's the it's the it bothered because I haven't seen X two. I've seen all the X Men's except X two, when I feel like that's the one, watch like the first fifteen minutes and then like that's it's an incredible sequence. Yeah, the sequence of Nightcrawler like teleporting and is like super cool. Um,

everything else is like fine. I think the ending is really great. What happens to the end again? Um, I mean I don't want to spoil it. I mean, well, everyone knows Gene basically dies and actually comes back in the next one. You know what. Here's my thing, Like,

I love Jean Gray, I love the Phoenix saga. I love it, but I think it takes over too many narratives in the X Men uni, like every in the whole every X Men property, like there'll be a Phoenix storyline and just consumes every other story, which is it's not that it's a bad story, just like it's weird

that it's the one that they chose. Yes, that's kind of like when you hear that when there's a big superhero movie coming out and you finally hear the announcement of who the villain is going to be, You're like, okay, okay, cool, that's what we're getting. Like when Spider Man three came out with the last one with Toby Maguire and they were like, it's gonna be Sandman and that are not Salmon. It was Sandman and Venom and the Lizard was it was sand Man and Venom, and I was like Sandman

and Venom. Really, that was one of the worst movies ever saw. I remember seeing it in theaters in college and being like really excited. That was when I still excited about coming book to see it with my friends. I made my friends go see it. I remember being theater, being in the theater and like being so pissed, the energy just dropping, yeah, like slowly maybe like oh no, I think there's there's one good scene in it, and it's the last scene when Kirston Dunson singing I'm through

with love, don't let its start again? Interesting in the bar because she's like her career hasn't worked out that well and like then, uh was that Toguara walks in and they see each other and they just start to slow dance. And I did think that was a really nice, pretty scene and I actually think it's a very fitting, nice way for that cannon of of that told me required Kirston Dune Spider Man Movie Trilogy to end. Wasn't wasn't he? Wasn't she in a in that movie? She

was in? What play? Was she in? She was? She was? Which I love that play, and she's in there. I was like, why is this play? It just smell a weird place. His voice alone and was one with absolute credulity. Oh my god, Matt, I think. I think Kirsten Dunst is sort of the proud of myself is the unsung here of those. Kirsten Dunst is one of my favorite actresses ever. Full stop, full stop. Were you a Kirston Dunst boy, You're either a Kirsten Dunst boy or dichotomy.

I don't have a problem with her, but you just don't carry either way. I guess, you know what, I can't you know what. I guess she always does a good job. I can't think of a movie I've seen it anywhere I've been like her. She sucked. Yeah, no, yeah, she yeah. I'm a I'm a Wow, I'm a Kirston Dunst boy. Wow. That's the title of the episode. I have a question. Okay, so this is my roommate, makes spense,

good friend of the pod listen to the pod. Is also also really grew up on comic books, and this is something that I as a kid wished I could access, wished I could be because love just the artwork in general. But I feel like I just didn't know, like where to go. I'm surprised with that about that with you, I would imagine that I was just so visual. I was definitely, Yeah, I love to draw. I loved anime shows,

which is it. It's its own little sort of different culture, you know, separate from comic books, like American comic books. But I never knew like where to go. I still feel like I don't like where you feel like often did you go when I was a kid. So okay, well, I will say that when I was a kid, like with X Men, like those types of comic books, I know, I get there. There was at least be like a

mailing service where they would mail you stuff. I had that, and like I guess I would go to like bookstores and then but finally comic bookshop was like when I was in high school and I was like, oh wow, this all this other stuff. But I remember I read more strips like my dad had had these old like old Calvin Hobbs and Peanuts and like Dunesbury and Bloom County and like all that. Like I always loved those

because those were just like around. But like, to go to a comic shop is like, I don't know, I feel like it's kind of going to a record shop the first time. We were like like enter a world of not lledge. It's too esoteric, right, It's incredibly And also the people that are into comic books are so like I'm into comic books, and like it's kind of like when someone's like into jazz music, it's like you can't be half into it. And I expect to talk

to people that are like in comics. They're like they know everything, and it's it's like an intimidating world for me. Almost did you know that was a very serious jazz guitar player in my past? Okay, as he's unbuttoning his shirt a little sexy boy, I just felt by um. So when I was when I was in like middle school, I started playing guitar and like the jazz band was like the cool for me. It was the coolest thing

in our school. It's like high schoolers the jazz band, they were so cool um uh, and I'm sure they were, and yeah, I believe you. Well, actually, did you ever see uh dear Van Hanson, there's a this isn't a spoiler seen it. I have seen. So the writer was the older brother of one of my best friends in

high school. Oh so a lot of this stuff in that show like very I felt very much like, oh I there's like reference points I see here, and there's a moment where he's like, oh, like, hey, like I like, I like you a jazz band, I don't like, I like I love jazz, well not not jazz, but like jazz band jazz or just like I know what you're talking. I saw a clip of this yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's in the Waiting through the Window, Yes conversation. And

I've been listening to that NonStop. It was that good. Huh Um. I really liked it. I really liked it. And generally if I get hooks me, I'll like listen to it a lot. And the music is really sticky, I can really sticky. But but but I bring that up to say that, like that was like the I like jazz but jazz band jazz were just saying like you like sort of like pseudo jam band stuff. As a jazz anyways, I was really obsessed with that UM

and like I became a very into jazz person. But and then when they played a lot and practiced all the time, and then they went to college where there was a music conservatory that I did not wasn't a part of it. But I was like, Oh, here's what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna like go to college and then to practice a lot and be in the conservatory too. I don't be like a Jaska, but yeah, that's what we do. UM. But then I got really intimided because of all these people. I was like, oh, you are

all true serious musicians and I am not. And then I broke my fingers so I could't practice it for like a year, and then I was like, well, I'm really out. That's really interesting because I feel it's very similar to the comic book thing, and I think but I think so too any obsessive culture. It's if you can name one thing and then someone's like, oh, if you like that, and how about that? And if you know that, then you're like in and if you know that,

they're like all right. It's like the way people feel about improv. That's the way people feel about anything people know about sports, or like like guys asking girls like, oh, if you really love football the name like the team, and then this year it's like not right, Yeah, just did the love voice thing. By the way, Wait that was my paltry attempt at it. But what's uptown? I just do think it's funny that so you really like football?

Guys really do ask that, like like just like try to like test you on that stuff to women specifically, you say I like football, Like I feel like that's that's true. Um no, this is but Tim's like intimidation

of this like more what he thought was more legitimate. Uh. It's sort of like maybe, Matt, do you feel this way about like how you ended up sort of going into and this Sorry this is getting very inside baseball with our pasts, but like did you feel that way going into like things like reality show where it was like so, yeah, so I went to school and wasn't studying acting or writing at all. I wanted to be

a journalism I was. I was like basically I was accepted into the school, um, and I was going to be a journalism major. And then yeah, just honestly being around people that were passionate about something made me realize, oh my god, wait, I've been passionate about this all along, and that's what I wanted to do all along. And then it is really hard to get over that thing of like, but I but I'm not as good as them, or I feel like just because I like something doesn't

mean I should do it. And also even if I am good enough, how would you go about getting into that position? And it it's really hard to ingretiate yourself and something that you love and might have a passion for, but just other people are I've already you feel like they have a head start on you, which is I think a lot of college kids out there that not to college is forced to find what you want to

do and like really get into it. But a lot of people think, well that's not my major, I can't do that, or they think it's my second year a third year of fourth year of college and I haven't done that, that means it's over for me, or even the idea that like you have to to enjoy something, you have to be a master at it, something you have to like you have to judge your connection with it, competency competency in it with other people's view of It's like,

I don't know. There's like so few things I feel like I like just because I like to do him that are like devoid of value, judgment and comparison. It's all about faking your way into everything anyway, because because you have to realize, like those people that you're thinking about and talking about, like most of them just faked their way in and just believed and believed and believed

hard enough. I mean, the way I got into shows at n y U because I want to really wanted to perform, was just convincing myself that I could do it, like and maybe maybe that's not for everybody, but I think so much of it. You can achieve so much

by like just visualizing, I think. But then there's that lingering thing of once you've like overcome that like first little mental barrier ventry to say, like I can do this, I'm gonna do it, Like I felt like that as like a chemistry major doing being in the improv group and saying while everyone else is in film or in drama and I don't know and therefore there's a ceiling for me. But you know what, so I was a

Latin major in the impact. Yeah, I remember being like, oh, like maybe I want to do you know, like Tim, like you've always wanted to act, Like you know that you said that you just didn't do it in high school like you've always wanted to. Now like these people kind of are and like you're liking this, so like why don't you try? Why you go for it? I go for it? And then like I met people who are actors like at my school, like in the acting program, and I was like I just hate that. Yeah, I

didn't want I was like I don't. I kind of regret that because I was being judgmental um and I could have done plays that would have been fun, but I was straight up like I had the imposter syndrome. Then I saw like performance and I was like, I don't like this feeling. The thing is it's like yeah,

I mean, and that's another thing. It's like you're not really in the in the community you want to be in, or like you don't really do it yet, and so you dip your toe in it and the very first person you meet or the very first experience you have can be like a defining experience, like and that's with everything.

I mean, that's why I think when people some people in anyway, when they attempt to do something and they failed the first time, it's like, well, I'm bad at well, I can't do that, and I feel like that's like it's insane to believe that you could just succeed in your first time doing anything. Anyway. It's how I feel about push up because I used to be so bad and then I just started being like Tim, like you can do push ups, and now I do, Like, now you push ups every single morning, and no, and then

you really do get better at that. Yeah, you do get better. And I know, I know you're I know you were saying that as a bit, but like it's true. Everyone. I appreciate how that that you I appreciate. And also I think that brings health and fitness into less culture stuff. And I really hope that everyone listening right now just gets down, right now, while you're listening, even while I'm saying this, right now, just get down and do ten. Do a hundred pushes, put them up into fifth. You

know what. Throughout the rest of the podcast, I'll remind you that it's time to do another ten, and by the end of the podcast, you'll have done a hundred guys, and then you can say you did a hundred push ups today. No one ever said you have to do them all at once, to common misconception, I'm a fitness guru. Now alright, wow, this is a bold new direction. Hey, um, get down and do ten guys. This is one. Okay,

so but you're pulsing this out. You're doing ten, so you're gonna have to do this not I would say, don't worry about me, bowen. I would say, don't worry about me at all. Wow, um wow, Okay. There's lots of uh culture okay, so um comic books and then would you say that that's like maybe it's hard to pin down one thing. There were a few things. I mean,

I feel like comic books and comic strips. I feel like, um, my parents would play musicals in like the car rides, um, and that was a big thing, like singing along to musicals and car rides. Uh. So I like musicals. I'm not like obsessed, but like the older I get them more. I'm like, no, I really like this. Um. I also like loved like comedy albums. I go to sleep listening to like U the albums are listening to Going to Sleep where a lot of Bill Cosby albums, a lot

of uh the twenties. I was a year old man the mel Brooks and carrying Oh my god. I used to love Margaret Trow in high school. I loved her. I love listen to Dave Barry Tass. Do you da? He was like a dad who wrote a comedy column for like Washington Post magazine or something. I probably read an interview of his or something it was. But so I feel like I feel like listening to stuff was I definitely Margaret Show was a big one for me. And also I listened to I'm Still Here damn It

by Sandra Bernhard. You ever listen to that album? And you ever you ever listen to any Sandra Bernhard? No, I'm not. She was him. I think you would really like her. She was like real performance art, like she was like it wasn't stand up, it was like sometimes it was s would just break out into a song. I love that you would. You should listen to that. And also everyone at home like, that's a fun liddle throwback comed performance album that you should check out. As

Sandra Bernhard I'm Still Here damn it. She on the Larry Sanders Show a lot. Yeah, Okay, then I thinking thinking of the right. No, she was big. She was big time, like a long time ago. I think she did a couple of score Casey movies. Um, and she had like a she played herself on Will and Grace. They were like because Will and Grace were like looking at Sandra Bernhard's apartment and they're like, we can't believe that's Sandra Bernhard's department, and then hilarity ensued. Um, I

feel like you can believe it. Honestly that I feel like comedy albums were like a big blind spot from me. It was just I yeah, like I'm ashamed to say the first like full length album I listened to is can you Got that Thing? Cook? Yeah? You know what, you know what? I I liked him. I mean I

was like that snake bit. He has a snake bit that really connected me, where he like pretends to be a snake and then it skills like oh, yeah, you know that's my think, yeah you know, and then his teeth around the I want that and him saying I want what a snake has. Remember that being a big moment for me. I was like, oh fuck, he just Dan Cook never had jokes. He just had like little snippets of like phrases that somehow he would deliver in

land and it would be successful. And he was actually very skilled in that regard, like somebody should in the coats is still hilarious to me. He also was an amazing performer. Yeah, he was a great live performer. Like he was. You can hear in his voice when you're listening to him on an album that he's just killing the audience. I remember that was like all we listened

to in high school. And then um, when he started to do his more, like he had like a couple of movies employ them on Oh God, Luck Chuck, good Luck Chuck. Um. But also the last I heard from Dane Cook, he was talking about like how he was absolutely killing the game in terms of like he fucked a lot of groupies on like he he was like he was talking about how like that's how the reason good Luck Chuck was a thing because he was just getting so much ass, like he like he just like

talked about and I was fascinating to me. I'm like, apparently just like every single New city just fucking fucking fu and then I'm thinking, is that how it is like for these people that are on the road, Like, I mean, I don't know, he had stadiums like he was like doing, wasn't he right? He had stadiums for sure? Like he was kind of like a little rock star there.

Well it's like early days. I just like, you know, like I like that snake bit and like I I'll give it to him that he's like a talented performer, but like like I don't like his legacy is his legacy is a is a I guess a shameful one would be not fair, right, That wouldn't be fair. It's not Yeah, one most shameful wouldn't wouldn't be unfair to me,

But it's also probably like not the right. It's like shameful is also being too generous with It's like it's just like looking back and remembering that Ashley Simpson was a huge pop star. It's like, oh, that's that's where we were in terms of like mass appeal, bad taste at that point. It was just like we all accepted something at that time, we all left to something at that time, which now we're looking back and we're like, huh, that makes me think of did you have you seen

the Backstreet Boys documentary? I just talked about this the other day off the air with Chrissie. You have you seen it? Um? I have seen bits and pieces of it, but the best in pieces I've seen were like not fun to watch. They were sad. And you have not seen it. I have not, but I've heard it's really cool. It's really cool, and like into what we're talking about is they're pretty open about there, like we were the biggest band in the world, um, and then we weren't,

you know, and now we're adults. I mean they were adults then some of them more. But on the morning, you know, it's like them reckoning with that idea that we're talking about it, like they could have been this monumental thing in culture and then they are just not. And I think it really I think they come off looking very good in that. I think so. I think

that they clearly have like issues, they clearly have. You can't be not emotionally go through the emotional ringer doing that kind of experience, especially at the age Howie d I think it's a psychopath But like, oh god, Backstreet Boys, I mean I think was like a sex addict and also an alcoholic. And I think Nick Carter was molested by their manager. Yeah, I mean that don't they cover that, and that they delude to it. They allude, they make I think they were not allowed to talk about stuff.

I think they are contraction allowed to talk about that because they will say some very like political things where they go, yeah, and you do some things that may's very uncomfortable. And there's one moment where Kevin just like he allowed me to quit my three jobs and follow my dreams and that will always be grateful, like a very sort of like they have to walk it back, see, oh we gotta. I just I don't think they walked it back, but they just said they were they were.

It was clear the Victor ship went down, just like we were not going to talk about it because he was also he was also the manager of I Think in Sync, and I think he discovered Britney Spirit. Yeah what what was his name? Just and he passed away a couple of years ago. Yeah he's I think he's not around anymore. But he was also in prison for a long time embezzelment. So this was like not a

good guy. Um and the story goes that he molested the Carter kids and that the mother found out about it, and then it was like it was a whole I remember these headlines. Um, he was like a sick. Oh that's really unfortunate. Um. But speaking of it's so funny. Backstreet Boys are just sort of like creeping back into the consciousness today. I just saw a headline I was talking about how Brian wanted to wanted to perform at the inauguration. Um. And then and then oh my god.

And then Matt and I were in Philly this a weekend ago, and then there was this club where there was this giant screen and they played backstreets back for the video, and and then I was drunk, So I might have just like in a sexually remember that line. Yeah, but I was just so receptive to this video again, and I was like, you know what this is Like, I was like, this is one of those first music like one of those first modern pop videos post nineties

that was just like very stylized yea video. It was stupid. It was stupid now, but like one of them. It was like, Oh, he's a wolf, why he's That's why it's fun? Things like I don't get that none of them were like sexy fucking like sexy monsters, like he was a mummy, Like he looked like a mummy. Total I don't get, but but I don't wait. Tim just blasted through this ceiling. I was gonna say, no, this is Backstreet Boys have this very special personal meaning to me.

And this is why I sent my very first email to the Backstreet Boys fan like fan page. You had never sent an email before. I never sent an email before. I technically was not through those of you at home.

Bowen does send a lot of emails now, so this is like the beginning of something and I've I've been told I'm very good at sending them um anyway, but it was just like my first email, just typing this out and being like, wait, this this goes to them, like through through this thing called the internet, and they response. It was an automated response, but I, as a kid, thought it was like them actually reading my thing and being like, hey, thanks so much for reaching out to us.

And I was like wow, like Nick Carter saw my message, which is so funny and insane, and why did no one clock that then? And there to be like that kid, that six year old is gay um or you know, eight year old would be clocking there. Well, I don't know if things happen when you're young and then you

look back and you're like, holy sh it. When I was tent from my tenth birthday, my parents gave me tickets to the first concert I was ever going to go to when it was Mariah Carey, and I screamed, I think for like minutes and was like jumping for joy because I was going to see Mariah carry in Madison Square Garden. I you guys have talked about I don't know, I actually know what. I don't want to enter the Mariah they carry conversation. No, no, I want

to hear this what is it? Tim? Because I know you all like, uh, you have all come out to say that you are Mariah apologize your apologist for that moment, for that moment, and I'm just I will say I'm a neutral. I'm basically like I got angry about who got a couple of listeners saying no, Mariah was wrong? Oh no, I I just well, I'll say it's not the fire. You know what, if you don't go to sound check then like no, then if you don't go to sound check. She did, and she went to No,

here's what happened. She went to sound check. The producers kept pushing back the sound check and she had to be she had to be somewhere. No, her sound check was for three thirty. The producers kept her in a waiting area and she didn't go on until five o'clock and she only had fifteen minutes to do strap and then they were like, okay, we gotta we gotta move on at six o'clock. See I heard she didn't even go to this sound check. That's what I I think that.

I think two things. One there's a lot of explanations from a lot of different sources. And the second thing I think is I don't care because it was funny. Okay, I'll, i'll it was fun I tell you that. My one of my favorite like line like like like argument lines

is I don't care. I like it because I feel like there's such, uh, there's such an impulse to justice, Like okay, it usually comes down to this, were like so like I don't eat meat right now, I don't call myself vegetarian because like if it's free, I'll eat it, you know, if someone's giving me leftovers. I'll eat it like cool, I like it. Um, why why people why

people normally don't eat meat? You know whatever? And in my mind, like you, it's hard to argue against the idea that, like the culture of meat is bad for the world, you know, and like bad for your body. But that's a different argument. But the idea that like, oh yeah, it's bad, you know, it's bad environmentally, it's bad. I think it's hard to argue against that. And I've always think it's interested in where people are like, well, I'm not going argue against it, but I'm gonna say

fuck you rather than you're right. But I don't care. I eat me because I like it. Like I think that is like a fine. I think it's a fine fine being wrong. And also like I don't care, I'm gonna do this not this argument is a kid no no, no, no, by agree with you. It's like you know what it is. It's like Facebook culture and common culture. It's like, oh, like we're all lawyers on the It's interesting now, it's

like where do you lawyers? It's like I feel like that that is a great argument and a great sort of um sort of relinquishment of of argument, I guess, but then like I feel like that has to match in severity. It's like, okay, well if I don't if I still eat meat despite all these horrible things like surrounding food culture, then and I don't care them, that's fine. But also then it's like, well, what if you like want to, like, what if you want to fucking like

choke a dog in the street. I think that that's just like decorum and knowing that that's not that's different, you know what I mean. Like, I also think I'm really intrigued by this now because it's a really fun way to get back at the person who's yelling at you for eating meat. Yeah, it's like, well, well, just so you know, I don't do this because of the you know, environmental things blah blah blah blah um and

you just saying like, Okay, yes, I totally understand. I still definitely am gonna do it because I like cheeseburgers and that's something I was raised with it. I'm not going to change my diet. But thank you for what you've said to just be like, but you know, in things, I appreciate that more than the ads who have been like, well, I'm gonna eat two for you, then spiteful comeback of like, well you don't, well, I'm gonna eat so much now

It's like, I don't know. It does remind me of a great Margat show though, from one of her albums, which is um, vegetarians are so mean because they're hungry. I love it. She again another stand up who was just an incredible performer, and you could tell because there would just be these long silences and the audience is dying and me at home listening off my like, I don't know what was that at the time, like Kaza, like I would just die as well, laughing imagining whatever

she was doing. I feel like my parents took me to see her at some point, you know, I don't remember. I don't. I feel like I have a glimpse of a member because I was like, I was very young when I listen to these comedy albums, so they knew I liked them. Maybe I don't know, I have a glimpse. Maybe it took me to a different, different show. But I feel like I saw you, felt you felt so connected to the material that you felt like you were

in the room. Maybe maybe I mean there is her Carnegie Hall album is truly just one of the best. I think my favorite one is I'm the One that I Want. And then there's also Notorious h which Carnegie Hall really Oh, that's one. It's really good. It's just all of Carnegie Hall silent listening to this one Asian queer woman on stage. That's crazy. Um and just the whole, the whole, the whole visual of stand up is in like in like those giants years is sort of is

still still amazed as me. It's like everyone's just listening to one person talk, which is it's pretty cool. It's unnatural. Yeah, yeah, I think it's unnatural. It's It's something I think about when doing Stamp where I'm like, uh, like why do you Why is it like equated to like go into the gym and people talk about you going Mike's gotta get up there? Like why is there that sort of

like repy I get your reps in? And I think it's because like it is an unnatural state, like you having all the attention of people around you, unless like you have great like like historically Actually, I'm not gonna go sta because it's like that's me wax in poetic. But I think it's unnatural. It's like you have to build up a tolerance to that form of attention I think to have. I mean, same thing is acting, I suppose,

but it's a but it's something we've found out. You know, putting someone in front of everyone else is something we've found out. It's not something we naturally Yeah yeah, something or something we found or is it because we found it out? You know what I mean? You have to wonder is it part of human nature to entertain each other? Um, to tell stories because we because we've been doing it for hundreds and thousands of years. A real Neil gaming right now? Come on, baby on my tiny heart. Okay,

I don't know where that came from. Um, I should learn listeners. Be doing push ups right now? Oh yeah, you should probably drop down for another ten guys. Um yeah, oh this actually made me think. You know what's even more fucking unnatural, which every time I do it, I come out of the room and I'm like, that was garbage, And everyone knows this garbage is auditioning. Auditioning is the

most unnatural thing, the stupidest social transaction. It's so insane and just also like just as a human thing, and I think about this more than anything else. I never think about performing as like an unnatural human thing, but whenever I audition, I'm always like, we shouldn't do that because we aren't supposed to do that as humans. Like, it's so bizarre to me. I think that about I think that about flying on a plane. Yeah, well, we're not supposed to be up there. We're not You're not

supposed to be up there. I guess there. I guess that's why all those bits became a hack, because it was a thing. I was like, Oh, we had to explore this thing we shouldn't be you know. It was like a common see me on the core of the earth. You don't see me pitching a ten the corn the earth. Okay, what do you think you, Matt? What bits? Are you talking like airplane bits? That's exactly why. Yeah, that's why you saw a real, real dip and airplane bits in

the past ten years. This reminds me because last time I was on an airplane. Uh. Loving Friendship was one of the movies that we could that we had the option of watching. It reminds me of my first last cultural stysm beef bringing the table right bring it forth, Come forth for Matt. You do not like Colin Firth. I never understood this. I think he's a fucking he's a poster board. What sorry about sorry about it? He is? Mr Darcy. Give me Colin Farrell every time. Give me

Hugh Grant shivering and shaking. Give me Hugh Grant drenched, wet and cold, doing anything over a Colin Firth fully dry in front of a camera. Kay, So let me first make this personal for a second. All right, i'mnna make this emotional and personal. So, uh my mom would make me and my brothers watch these pride and Prejudice movies. Uh, I hear he's the defenditive, Mrs Darcy, he's a defendive.

Mr Jarsey, Yes, he's the definitive. William Yes. Uh and uh we like watched them all because our mom like made us and then we grew to like become obsessed with these like Crian prejudice movies. And Colin Firth is just like he's electric in that he's so good. He's like when he comes out of the pool and he's like his shirts off and he's all like he's nervous. I believe it. Maybe it is the fact that I haven't seen those movies you got. They're so good. I

haven't seen the Prime and Prejudice movies. And apparently that's like Colin Firth, like Hallmark and like his legacy project as those Pride and Prejudice movies. I haven't seen them. He's just very just classically British. Yeah, I guess, can I tell you something. I don't really respond to the British sensibility, sensibility in that regard the period British thing. I'm never going to go out of my way. Oh

I see, I love that, like like the Crown. I couldn't give a fuck that like Jane Austin style, like proper, like if I breathe too hot? Thanks, just sort of like well the Master, did uh speak tenderly upon brows? Yeah? Absolutely, There's just one line from the from the Prime Prejudice of series, like I get like Mr daw No, no, no, no, it's a It's okay. So Elizabeth is with with the Bingleys, and Miss Bingley goes. Miss Elizabeth Bennett is a great

reader and she enjoys nothing else, and Elizabeth goes. I deserve neither such praise nor such censure. I am no, what's a great reader, and I enjoy anythings that's pretty good exchange, I'll get like looped in my head. That can can we say that? Elizabeth's response just word. I just want to internalize this. I deserve neither such praise nor such censure. I am not a great reader, and I enjoy many things that's pretty good. Either such praise

nor such censure beautiful. I mean, come on, the language, Mama, Matt, you need to appreciate language. You're a writer. I appreciate Jane Austen. I think she's wonderful. I get the stories. I understand. I just would never seek those things out, like I really. I tried to watch The Crown and because everyone's talking about it, and I was like, if I have to watch another fucking movie watching an old British man cough, I'm gonna fucking lose it. I get it.

Matter all sick. This is well, it's the same. They're all sick. You need to get it. Wait, Matt, you need to watch Fleabag. Have you seen fleabag? Is it's an Amazon It's on Amazon, and I've seen I haven't seen any Amazon thing. I don't have Amazon I haven't. I don't have Amazon. I've never seen any Amazon thing you can reference on Amazon thing. I haven't seen him, okay, and I want seen. Okay, Hey everyone, it's time to drop down and do another ten um pause, five, five, five.

I think you've I think you've earned five this time. You've been doing such a good drap. So we just let's just say five is the requirement. If you want to do five more and put yourself that's fine, but also listen to this throws off the count by a lot. I'm just saying we're either at five or we're at thirty. Well, I think that we should do ten. I think five. Okay, all right, well then dude, between five and ten bringing up to or third whatever. If you're only got to

do five now, you gotta do fifteen later. So I just I just want to say one thing, Matt. I think it's patently unfair for you to sweep an entire nation's culture. We're talking about culture. You're you're willing nations culture under the bus because you don't like Colin Firth. That is unfair. You need to give fleabag a chance. Oh this is this. It's not that I don't like British things in general. It's that the kind of period

British stuff I don't care for. Okay, I sat down to Nabby because it was so be in a modern way. I gave up on that show. Loved it, I liked I liked it know where. I gave up on that show when everyone died uh year old were dropping like flies. I gave up on the UH. The moment when what's her name? Mary? When the rape moment, the rape moment as well, because I I felt like I just felt like this is not this. It felt like this about this recently. No, not if it was um, what's her name?

The blonde Anna Anna? Yea, Yeah, it felt like a moment was like this doesn't feel like it was meant for any reason then to like throw so it felt cheap and it felt like bad and I don't want to, you know. We talked to Beth and Sarah from Reductress about this when they were on about West World, about the UH, and I talked to a lot of people that are like, you know, West World, I'm not gonna watch it because it feels a little rapey to me.

And we talk to them about how you know that kind of thinking it's like, well, then what are you gonna do not tell stories about people that are raped, and like the rape as a thing in the world, because rape happens in the world. And I think, what

was kind of not nice or cool or interesting? I guess yeah, what was interesting about the choice to have a rape storyline on Downton Abbey is because you're in that world and you don't think about rape as a thing that happens in a place like Downton Abbey, you know what I mean, Like, I think it shows would and and this is kind of interesting to me. It was like, you know, you would never would have thought

you'd get the storyline on the show. But rape is a part of, you know, this kind of toxic masculine culture that definitely exists on Downton Abbey. And therefore I was like, you know, it's an interesting thing. And I remember she won some awards for performing that storyline, and she said in her speech, is like, it's really important to me to tell the story because, um, this happens to women. It has happened to women for many centuries.

So I think another thing is that I would have At that time, I was watching Sons of Anarchy, which is the show I also gave up on because it was silly. Um. But I just watched this season where kay Segall's character there was a season long arc about her like dealing with the rape, and it was like, really, I thought they handled I thought she was incredible in that in that show, and I thought that was very

like that. It was. It was shocking. It was like I felt like it dealt with relations and ship as well, and I really believe everything she was going through, which is really scary. And then that I watched that to Naby and it was happening, I was like, I can't and you think it just wasn't well. I was like I can't go and this is like I'm saying this and I'm admitting this is like privileged and fucking ship.

I was like, I can't go through that as a viewer again, which you know what, at the moment I say that, I think I should get No, I'll take criticism for that for that. Take no, no, I don't think because it's if you didn't feel like it was

being dealt with sensitively and you and like I don't. Also, you can choose what you watch also, like it does not make you privileged to say I don't want as a viewer to experience this sort of amplifying this thing that I'm already sort of processing, because it does feel like sometimes it's on every fucking show, And then you think to yourself, like, all right, you have to ask the question like are we doing this to inform and expose?

Are we doing this to fucking entertain people? And if I'm watching a rape storyline to be entertained, which and which? A lot of times that is why you watch television shows, just to be entertained. And if you're finding that that's part of your entertainment, there's nothing wrong with removing yourself from that. Like, like, there was an art was it Emily nuts Bomb that was talking about that. I feel like I read some article about this recently about uh

oh gosh, I love nuts Bomb. I just want to say, what was the article dealing with, you know? I think it was actually I don't remember was. I feel like it was interviewing some female show's saying like we get so many um uh spec scripts that like from men that are are there are rapes scripts? And then we get so many into like a rule of ours is that we just and if that's any of them, we just don't. We don't look at it anymore. It's like

it's become a trend. It like screenwriters, it's the same thing with like it's now and this is scary, Like what like like soaps were doing in the two thousands with cancer, where it just felt like a matter of fucking time until they were going to be like a cancer storyline and we were going to go through that for eighteen episodes. It's like now it's moved on to the doing that was rape people. It's not the same

fucking thing. People even writing like casual jokes about this meta story like in the ounce this in the ounce the show um One, one character has this line that goes, um, so what did do last night? I was just watching that show on HBO where they're terrible to women, Oh A true Detective, No the Jinks, no Game of Thrones, like just listing basically every HBO show and it applied and it worked as a joke and it was just

awful and whatever. But it's it's it's it is like it's everywhere and I don't and I don't blame him for wanting to like disengage from Downton just because it was like so much to process. Saying I don't blame Tim is huge. Okay, I will say that. I think I've told you this, but um, this was like fresh after the election. I think this was the weekend of I was doing this show over the eight Rest in Peace. Meet You and I were doing the show there. Man,

it was so sad. Um. A bunch of great people were there, but we were just also sad and none of us were funny. I was like Annifer Breaker was there at least Moalysis there. Everyone was great, but like we were just not delivering. So anyway, Meetro and I are walking home and this was right after the whole debate about the safety pins was happening, was like should

they should people be wearing them? Shouldn't they? And then meet You and I were both like, it's such a stupid, bullshit, nonsense discussion that's happening, blah blah blah blah blah, and like eventually and like forgive me for for saying this, but eventually like we were just like, you know what, the only people who were having this argument who are saying that you shouldn't wear safety pins are white people and then we just like I had this whole runabout

white people are terrible, blah blah blah blah. And then we ran into Tim and then we said, oh, Tim, you're one of the good ones. And then we and then we we spot off from him. We had this beautiful conversation and then Meetro just go is I just fucking love that we have that power to say who's good and who's not. It was kind of a I mean, it's it's a monstrous yet funny moment to me. I don't know Tim, and Tim is one of the good ones.

I have to say, I can't accept. You cannot accept it, cannot accept if you accept, if you accept, if you accept that you are, am I one of the good ones? Matt. I think if we're going to bury the hatchet, then yes, you are. I can't accept. That's right. You can can't

accept Tim, Mr right, It can't accept. Otherwise it is part of the problem because I remember you guys said that to me, and I was like, if this is the test, if you said that to any moment, if you said to any person from my college, everyone, that's like everyone's college is wet dreams. By the way, Oberlin baby, which can I just say right now? First of all, probably the fucking stud of Oberlin. Yeah, he told me. He told me he almost hooked up with his r A. Oh, Tam,

come on, no, we don't have to do this. Don't make him do this. We might have to cut this out. Here's what I'll say. Here's what I'll say. Uh, I went to Oberlin. I enjoy Oberlin. Uh this is like a school that does not deserve national attention. Here I don't think anything. And so here's the thing. There's a

lot I feel like it's become. Maybe it was before, wasn't aware of it, but I feel like Oberlin has become like a sort of a part of the culture wars in a way, like a part of like an example of college students gone awry or example of college has gone a right. And there's many examples of that, which I abe like, Yeah, that's I think that's ridiculous. Oh yeah, I think that stuff. But like it's a school of three thousand people like in Ohio, um, which by the way, I like, I have very I have

a connection to. While I'm not saying OHI, but it's like a small school in isolation of like a lot of a lot of things. It shouldn't be a national story like things are going in Oberlin should not be

in the New York Times. And that's that's more than any other school because like I sees the stuff that's happening there is happening at like I don't know Bates or like read you know, like yeah, and so it does make me feel weird when that that school has become just like uh, maybe I'm maybe I'm just smar expensed to do it because I went there, But like you're always going to feel a connection to whatever anyone says about the school if you went to it is

a little personal. Am I wrong to say that is not to become one of those like yeah, become one of those buzz not buzzwords, but like a late it's become a late shirts and in a post you know, Lena Dunham World, where did you go? Makes a lot of like Oberlin carries a lot of this weird stigma that's probably not deserved or or it's just yeah, it's just become this pincushion. Yeah, I mean Bowen and I went to n y U, and I think that's the school with a biggest target on its back and be

it's on the biggest pedestal. It's it's like it's like both. And honestly, whenever anyone talks about n y U, I do I only am down to make cracks and jokes about n y U. I'm I'm not interested in defending

it anymore. I really don't feel connected to it. I felt like I defended it really never I did because like but that I did, but without knowing what I was talking about, Like when people were coming for like John Sexton for um, you know, misusing money, and like I was like, no, no, no, he's actually a nice guy because you had you worked with him. I worked with him, and he was a nice guy. He is a nice guy and he really he was very generous. But that doesn't mean that what he was doing wasn't

fucked up. I mean I went to one of those houses that allegedly was like they used school money for like it was in looking back on what that was crazy, it's insane. And then he he resigned and he should have, you know what I mean. Like, so whenever anyone talks about n y U, I'm just like, yeah, I mean, I'm not gonna feel bad about going there because like I wanted to go there, and like I what we got out of it, I think was great, which was the connections and like being in the city and it

was great. Butt you met is a connection. I mean, I mean, hey, I'll say that when I moved here, I was like I had a chip on my shoulder people I met through. Yeah, I know, do you guys? Yeah, I talked about it. Yeah, I talked about it. I don't have a problem talking about here from me. You bit, I'll come for you. You guys all knew each other. You knew what the institutions where you know, what was happening you. You were able to see younger comedians and

older comedians figuring themselves out before anyone else didn't. And then then and then I got here, what's going on and all these people, like I knew what was going on? I was like I had friends. It was definitely cool to be close to. Like, yeah, I will say this, I still felt like this does not absolve me of anything, but I still felt like I was in my m U bubble right right after. Like I didn't take my

first youth for at least two and a half years. Yeah, I didn't stay in didn't take my first ECB class until the summer after college, and I was like, Oh, finally I'll break out of the Washington Square Park area, you know. And also sometimes I wonder, like what it would have been like to actually go to a school that was to New York and then have moved to New York, because that's like going to college again, you know what I mean, but this time you don't have

the built in community. You do have to figure it out, you like, how did you meet people when you moved here? Story Parts Ye, Story Parts that was huge even for us, I will say, is the most positive comedy community in New York. Yeah, definitely. And I feel like I've like I've like diptoes in many different comedy communities. Story Pirates is the most positive. If you don't know what story Parts is, you should log onto story parts dot org or look up the story Parts on YouTube and just

watch some of the videos. It's like an art education collective and it's based in New York and Los Angeles, and basically we take stories that are written by children, elementary school aged kids and make them into um sketch shows and musical numbers and stuff. And perform them for the kids and it's really motivating and it's great. And I met Tim and fell in love with him instantly when I met him because he because he did object

work digging, and I was like, that's him Tim. When I first met Tim was he was the penguin that had to go acrost across the ocean. I first met Tim to story Parrots too, and just seeing him as one of he was a year older than my class, but he was at that at that point that I was already in the cast. He was so sharp and good and just yeah, you're good story pirate. And I was like, really talking funny and I wasn't and I've

said this to him before, was very intimidated by him. Yes, same, that's so funny to me because you guys were so good, because I like, I know, I feel like it's a very specific performance style because you have to perform for kids, so it's very like you're like a flat character, you know, you have a living cartoon. Yes, And I feel like both of you were like so uh, instantly perfect at it. It's because we are living cartoons. Yeah, Well, you know, if you want to talk about what if you want

about culture. I like to talk about culture inspired it. What about cartoons? Back to I'm gonna go all the way back to the Mask the Mad. That movie changed my life to carry his Beast and I saw it and I was like, Oh, I want to be an actor because I saw that movie. And I was like, Oh, a human can be a cartoon. Oh what's he doing? Oh he's acting. Okay, Like that's what that's People don't

count that as acting. That's exactly right. Because Tim and I have had lengthy conversations about Jim Carrey specifically and about just as a kid. You watch him in Aspenter and I was as a kid, was like, he's the funniest person. Absolutely, absolutely him and as Pentura him and I mean, my favorite one. And this is like grounded for him. But was Liar Liar? To me? Liar Liar is one of the best performances ever. And I think it's the first hint you get that he's actually a

great dramatic actor. The pen scene. The pen scene is unbelievable. Just what happens the entire movie, and then the moment when he's like, I'm not a good father and he realizes that he said it like that to me was like the first hint that what actually is there under Jim Carrey is like actually like an iconic talent, you know what. My parents knew I loved Jim Carrey, and so they took me to see Man on the Moon

in theaters, which was like, I don't know who. Andy Kaufman was like I love Jim Carrey and like uh, and that movie also changed my life. I would have introduced by this dude who was now one of my you know, inspirations. And do you ever sw that movie? I've ever seen that the Room. So the opening of it is him as Andy doing the credits, and he

goes like, I'm not I can't do his voice. But he goes like, oh, usually see credits in the beginning of the end of the movie, but they're always boring, So now we're gonna do it at the beginning, and then he puts on the record and the credits go in the beginning, And from then I was like, WHOA, like you can like with the form, which as a kid is really important to see exemplified. That is huge. I'm so happy that that we haven't talked about Jim Carrey on the podcast Jim Carrey is truly one of

the first inspiration. Yeah, he's I mean just watching him in interviews where he would just like make these fucking crazy faces and I would be like, and do you see like old videos of him when he's just an impression But before he was even a stand up, it's just an impressionist. Before he would do an impression, he would like wrinkle his face. Do you know what I'm talking about? He was like wrinkles face, so of just

like to get into it. And it's sort of like him like flexing little because it him just like showing how much control he had. Yeah. I think I read some article where he like when I was a kid, maybe like Disney Adventure magazine, where he was like, oh yeah, I'd make I'd make faces in the mirror as a kid. I was like, all right, then I'm gonna do that too. He to me is the epitome of commitment and energy, you know what I mean. He's unrivaled in those two areas.

Like even when you see him come on like a like an a word show now and he has to do a bit he killed, he kills and no one is like that. I think he will be very, very he will, his legacy will be a very good one. I mean even now, it's like you look back at his career, I mean like Truman, Yeah, Truman Show, and like Eternal Sunshine came out. I was just like, this guy is just like amazing performances, Truman Show, Man in

the Moon. I assume um the grnch amazing performance. We have talked about the Grinch episode, but we talked about we talked about Faith Hill. We did not talk about Jim Carrey, Paige me Press the Stalk. Okay, what we've we've we've quoted that line before you got to you gotta see the Grinch because not only is he given an amazing performance, but also like a lot of people are like, it's like biller Win is in and he's

so good. The mayor of who we, Christine Baranski is the next day putting upper lights and that tailor mom. Seasonally it's not appropriate anymore, but still see it. Yeah, Seasonally, culturally it's important. I'll see a Christmas movie in the summer. Dude, you're honestly wild. I like, actually, don't give a fuck. Oh my god, um, time to drop into ten guys at this time. Time to drop into ten. So um, guys, um listen. I want to know, Tim, what have you

seen this year? What's coming up for the Oscars that you're like, Hell yeah, you are you tuned in? Because I want to keep this part of the podcast because they're coming up. Okay, okay, um. I feel like I haven't really seen that much that many movies recently. One are the best pictures. I mean, you know what, The last movie I saw is Mowanna. If we want to get into it, oh, I don't think. No, I don't know trigger word. I don't want to get into it. I don't want to get into it. I will say,

I will say I would you like it? I did like it. I loved it. Actually talking about this, you know, I was very bored by Mowanna. And that's this. That's just the reason why I didn't like it very much because it bored me. I thought I thought that it could have been better based on the standards of all the Disney movies I've seen. It just been swept away by That's my only problem. And I we watched we saw together, and the reprise of How Far All Go

was so moving and beautiful. I just lifted us up and then it just sort of left us hanging for the rest of the movie. It's frustrating when you see a movie that's capable of so much and then like it just doesn't deliver that throughout. I so I I see that. I see that for me. I was with it the whole time. I thought looked beautiful. I thought all the music was great. I was like I was laughing that. I was laughing at the Dumas rooster. I love that little thing. But I've come around on the

rooster because I know that this is the thing. I used to say it should have been the pig, but the fact that it should have been the pig and it was the rooster is what's so great. And that's the subversion that I was looking for in the movie, because I was like, where was the sub version? Which was a dumb thing to stay. Looking back, I just didn't like. I just didn't like the movie. But I think it's so funny. The up top of this cute pig has made such a big part of it, and

you're like, oh, I'm still ray for this pig. Know, he was cracking me up, and it's like, oh, who's in here with me? Like that's gonna be the pig and it's like the Okay, I will say this because because I said this in the thread, the thread about ma wanna Um, because I I think the first song in that movie is like so wonderful and I haven't seen a song like that in a Disney movie where it's like, oh, I love where I'm from, I want, I want to have more, but I still love where

I'm from. And to she like, you know this little town sucks? You know no? And I love how that song you write to him. I I completely agree. I love how that song frames responsibility in a very positive way, and she as a protagonist, is receiving them and saying, yes, I am going to be a leader. This is what I have to do. And she's not like it's not a spiteful thing at all. Yeah, and no one leaves, that's right, we stay. I liked so much of the music.

I liked Your Welcome, and I really liked um the when the grandmother returns as a spirit spoiler and she's like, uh, you remember what I must what I have told you, and she's like, I am the daughter of and then she the last thing is yeah, I also love hasn't always been this. I can't tell you something I hated that, I know. I think you have a good point, Like that is like why hap that that it doesn't need It's like it's a screenplay moment, you know what I mean,

Like it doesn't need to be there. But I think that song and that vocal performance is like fucking cool from but also like it's up my alley, you know it's that. Yeah, it's such a was such a Tim platinum moment. I saw it. I was like, this is Tim. Don't give me the Hawaana, don't give me the how

far I'll go reprise and then give me that crap singing. Look, look, look, I think I think it's Matt has this relationship with Frozen where we saw it together in the theater, didn't love it, but then you saw it again with kids or in another context got on board with I think I will give Moana another shot. It's not that I love Frozen and therefore everything else is disqualified. I just no. But that is like that is like a feeling that is out there, you know what I mean. It's like,

well it wasn't as good as Frozen. It's like it's like that's like a sentiment which is like, you gotta choose either Tangled or Frozen, which is like a fun conversation to have, but like not want to actually believe. But I do think there's this thing out there which is like the people that like Frozen, the people that don't like Frozen, and the people that like Frozen like people assume that we think it's the best fucking thing

ever because it did do so unbelievably well. I just think Frozen is great because it it took a step forward for me in terms of what those Disney movies could be and eventually ended up being a love story between the sisters. I get if like the movie board you and like, you know, the let it Go sequence is the only good sequence. I understand people saying that I just, you know, preferred the the creative, innovative way

that the storytelling was. Okay, As someone who doesn't care for Frozen or Mowanna, I just want to say one of the best movies, full stop is Wreck It, Ralph. Everyone must see it. You haven't seen it yet. I haven't. I want to see it, Tim, I think it's going to blow your mind. Okay, I also want to see uh Joel posted about Storks being better than the Utopia, and I don't know if that wasn't. I think I do want to see saying because I've heard great things.

I want to seeing too because there's music in it, because I'm allergic to any animated movies that doesn't have any music except Monsters, inc. I love Monsters. I just saw and I thought that was good. I thought that was a good movie. I didn't I liked the movie, but people were really just it didn't hit the heights set. It was the people telling me that that's what I was expecting a lot, and I enjoyed it. I enjoyed

it as well. So Joel was joking about Storks. No, I think he must generally will follow up with Joel, I don't know. I'm gonna I'm gonna ask him. I was really excited by that take because I was like, oh, I guess I'll watched Storks like I went to have watched because it's it's a movie that I feel like I would not have watched. And then it got this glowing response from out of nowhere, and so I was excited.

I was excited to be like my jumping into this thing, you know what can go see storks together that I would like that. I would like that. I would do another ten. Um, it's time to do another ten. And while you're doing that ten, it's time for everyone to get ready for the signature, the signature honey moment and every last culture this episode it's I don't think so honey,

And this is our opportunity here on loss. Culture's just to take that one thing that's really been pushing our proverbial buttons and rail against it for one minute on the clock. Now, both our guest Tim and Bowen have their heads in their hands and they're they're stressed. What's going on? I just don't know. This is truly the most unprepared, like even off the cuff, because you're just

so happy in your life. No, it's just that I feel like I've really just directed my frustration and my I don't think so honey, nous at a lot of different things, and I don't know if I'm running out you know what I'm saying, Well, how about you start, Matt. I would like to start, because I do have one okay, so I'll set the clock for you, and i'd like open hearts and open minds. If that's okay, depends it depends. I grant you that, but that's alone. Here we go

okay because Matt Rodgers, I don't think so, honey. Time starts now. I don't think so, honey. The Starbucks that are popping up all over the city, that put a lot of their money into their aesthetic and not on more seats, Come on, we need more seats and Starbucks. If I go to a Starbus or if I live near near a Starbucks, I want to be able to sit down, bitch. I want to be able to go there and use the WiFi. Hello, bitch, I just moved into an apartment with my boyfriend Henry, who's a lovely,

amazing person. But you know what, sometimes he's teaching a lesson. It needs to be on the keys, tinkling tinkling away. He's a musician, he's loud, and I would like to go to a starbust to be able to sit down. But no, you put your budget into the fucking walls being made out of like like like, oh, I don't think so, honey, I need a fucking seat. How come there's four seats in here and fucking eight lamps. I don't need more lamps, bitch, I need somewhere to sit.

Also make it easier for me to love into your wife. I God damn it. How come it takes me like no time to fucking get my VENTI drink, but fift twenty minutes the standard of the WiFi. If you know anything Starbucks, you know that people use you to sit down and hang out as much as they do for drinks. I don't think so, honey. Change okay, And that's one minute.

That was one of my best ones ever. Really. That was really because I feel like I made my point and I feel like now there'll be a change that's I measure my I don't think so, honey. And do I think after the fact that something will change? And I think this is what Matt, This is what Matt is to enact, and uh, you know effect change in lieu of having senators who are in opposition of him?

Is that right? Because you know what? Yes, I am from New York born and raised, and therefore, like I call my senators and like, yeah, I know, yeah, I also I'm outraged at the same but um, but now you have a place I have a place to put my anger in. Its Starbucks. That said it's important to call senators about specifics because we were just joking. Yeah, I because I want to say that. It's also nice to say thank you. I tweeted Brandon. I said thank

you because I think her. I think she's the fucking best. She's the rock star. And to Tim we finished that thought, um that because with all the stuff that's happening, it's very easy to call it and just be like protect us from Trump, you know, but like it's so much helpful and be like, oh, like through it was saying all the the people that you have a problem with the specific ability of problem with is very Uh. I think it's good. It's good for you, and it's good

for the for the for them. Yes, every time I talk about this stuff, I feel like I'm just like reciting things I've read. But then you eventually you a master you you get your own vocabulary for it, and that's when that's when you break through. Because I feel like I haven't been emotional. I feel you talked about being an emotional on the phone with your with your standards and representatives, and I feel like I'm still very Metrick.

I'm gonna read this script thank you like I feel like I don't know, I feel like I'm talking to like my teacher's mom or something like that. If if

this helps. I usually don't read from a script, but I will like pour over some get a sense of what I want to say, and then I will physically This is the sounds weird, but it's just because it's like the only place at work where I can do this in privacy, because I will go to the back and just go into the darkest corner and feel physically sort of just like I have to really just surround myself with what, like I don't know, with something that

matches the sentiment or whatever, and then I'll just go into I'm never angry. I just get I'm never emotional, I should say, I get just a little snippy, but appropriately and politely. So like today I called UM. Famously, my representative walked snuck out of a town hall meeting

that was that was my representative from my district. And I called his office today and one of his staffers, very nice guy UM took a message for me and I said, Hi, I just want to UM say that I think it's unfortunate that Congressman and Kaufman left his own town hall meeting. UM. But if he is, but if he's afraid of a hostile reception, I just think he needs to see that as a way of his

constituents UM holding him accountable. So UM, I would encourage him to really um have more FaceTime with his with with the people he represents. And that's all I have to say. Like that was just a more tame way of me to just be like, hey, that was sucking stupid. Why did you do that? You know, there's always like a positive way to read them. Okay, you need more time? Or should tim go? No? Um, I can go okay, okay, I have one, but I don't want to do that one. Sure, No,

it doesn't matter. I just just came up with mine. And this is the beauty if I don't think so honey, And I told him this, um, you know, the the less significant Sometimes it's nice and we whip out our improv backgrounds and bone Yang's. I don't think so honey starts right now. I don't think so honey. Uber drivers who do not stop at where they designated place marker on your map is there was a reason that the

user is able to designate the pickup spot. And I will do my best, my best, and Matt can vouch for this, and Tim can vouch for this. I will do my best to go to the exact spot where the pin has dropped. And honey, these drivers don't know they're way around to the city blocks and cities are supposed to be familiar with that they're being paid to be familiar with. And honey, they ask me what roots to go and oh, don't even at me started. I

don't think so, honey. On drivers, taxi drivers, uber drivers, whatever, who asked you to navigate for them, Oh, that is unacceptable. Download ways for your phone, download any for your phone. This is unacceptable. I don't think so. Many drivers who do are not good at their jobs. I will give you a two star reading. I will never give you one star wating unless you slap me in the face. But I don't think so, honey. Drivers who do not do not respect this transaction of them knowing their way

around the goddamn city, bitch. I don't think so, honey. Uber drivers named Jordan's or whatever, or greg I've had bad Greg's and and they they are bad drivers. One minute, Gregs are bad drivers. Think this is the first time in the podcast history that Matt hasn't interrupted Bowen's I don't think so, honey. You know, he's like, really shady of you to say it's especially in lieu of recent conflicts. Well,

I just did the last episode. You mean because I was that's because my personality and characters being attacked live. It was just really nice to see you hold your tongue for once, and that was really I hope you'll take that one forward. Well. I hope that I continue to do bet through of this podcast, that I do that today behavior, honey, I don't you know. I think push ups. Um, I think I do fine. I think you do such a good job. You do ten plush

ups or else you're gonna be fucked up. All right, your arms are going to be uneven and sucked up. I have one of them happy with Okay, great, I wasn't all that you kind of say, I wasn't all the way happy with mine. That's fine, Bowen Platt starts right now. I don't think so, honey. Coffee shops where you when I ask you if there's WiFi and you say yes, there's WiFi, and I get a coffee and I get a pastry, and I sit down, and I opened up my laptop and there's no WiFi. And I go,

what can I say? There's no WiFi? And the go, yeah, well, I guess it's not working. Why did you tell me there was WiFi? When I bought with my own money coffee and I set up a space I could get coffee and pastry anywhere with WiFi. That's why I bought. I bought a ticket to WiFi, and you said, your ticket is accepted. And then I got to the fucking sign and it turns out it was a steel ticket. You can't rip in half and give you my have back. Now I'm stuck there. What are they gonna do? Free?

Write on a fucking word document? No, I wanted to do right? Or do it? No? I want you to Spotify. No, I want to Facebook when I get a little bit bored of writing. And you betrayed me, and I should get my money back and you should give me a free pastry next time. That was the most monstrous I don't think so, honey, yet I love it. I love that you took it in a whole new direction. Every part of it has been rebranded. That was amazing. You

know what, You're absolutely right, It's absolutely right. It does drive me insane. Happens all the time. And a thing where it's like yeah, of course, like it's nothing. It's like one of those like true, like what am I gonna If I complain about this, I would be a monster, you know if I was like But also also you that's why you spent the money there, you know. It's it's a con. It's insane that that's yeah, that is that's part of the deal. And that's the problem I

have with Starbucks too. Why when I go in there do I have to answer goddamn questionnaire When I get to get into your wife, you don't have to, well, Matt, that's because you don't have to. I think you have to fill out of tests if I have to do

a test. Um guys, ten more push ups as we um as we sail out here, guys, Tim, We're gonna be on your showy Sloop generally on Wednesday at the Brick Theater at eight p m. Pierre Mills, wife and Lola Ramirez and I are hosting Sloop Gumley and it's a great show because we like to bring performers from different performance worlds, like uh, we have like a writer and playwright who's reading. We have a comedian what's it?

Oh fu um? We also have cocoon dance dances, we have we have we have people from different performance worlds and very exciting and Sluck is going to be like of course Bowen and I will be performing as Sluck and we have not performed it. Suck minute sometimes so you know what the kids are thirsty first lock and oh god, I just want to say I love that

name sleep Jumble. Yes, so, uh, Peter and Lordla and I were meeting and uh we were like on the kick of like doing songs with reference that that slanted, and I said, oh, sloop jumble and we laughed and then I was like this is the way, and both that's how sloop, that's how last Culture is. That's good. I was like, what if it's called last culture stuffs and Bone was like that's so stupid and just laughed. And then I was like, well we have to do it. And then that was how we knew if you laugh

at it, you should marry it. Alright, guys, can I I want to tell one quick story before we go. So me and my high school best friend Ken were playing volleyball in the backyard, and his little sister Kathleen, who was five, was in the garden with her dad, and Kathleen was very um, very like garious, and she said, I love tomatoes. And the dad said, well, if you love tomato so much, why don't you marry it, because he had like a goofy sense of humor. And Kathleen said, well,

because you know you can't dance with it. And that's why I love kids. Everyone to look up story, parents, guys our thanks to Tim Platt. Tim. They can find you on social media on Instagram at I am King Bozoh. On Twitter, Twitter is just Timothy Platt. Timothy Platt. I'm on Facebook at Tim Platt. But that took Facebook off my phone so it won't be the responsive. That's very good tumbler. I love gift cards dot Com. Tim. We love you so much, Thank you so much. We're gonna

kiss you, Tim. This this isnt Roger's is the last culture podcast. Thanks Forever dogg and thank you bye bye. Tim. This has been a Forever Dog production, executive produced by Joe Cilio, Alex Ramsay, and Brett Bohm. For more podcasts, please visit Trevor Dog Productions dot com. M h m hm