"Hundred. Period!" (w/ Matt & Bowen)

bring up the last Culturistas culture Awards. I think, I think, should we just announced that the ceremony is not happening. The winners are will never be announced. I think we cannot say at this time. I gave a read. I read through the nominees the other day. It was like, none of this makes sense anymore. So I think that's

a snapshot of summer. It doesn't work. Okay, we're ready to announce at this time that as that we wish our nominations leader all the best, but we feel it would be importation to continue with the ceremony as the world currently stands for cultural awards, they are canceled. No publicists, you've been fired. We're so sorry, and it's because you do. You guys did a bad job. Okay, you guys did a bad job. How dare you? How dare you? You've

made us do this? You had one thing to do, which is push your clients, and there was not enough of that. Better luck next time, Better luck next year, next year, see you next year. Publicist flops anyways, Um well, it's it's almost like bowen. You know what I've been loving lately is lost culture narratives. You know what I mean.

We've had one narrative and in a happy way, which is your eat is better, but with a twist, now it's too hot, and we have we have one narrative that's sort of ending with that with a very terribly sad ending, which is that the last Cultures Culture Awards will not stand. But also, what are awards anyway? You know what I'm saying. Icon Award winner Pat Regan has said awards are so silly, awards especially let me tell

you something. I'm looking at a girl who's lost two Emmy's girl, this loser, and I can tell you either way, it would not have done a damn thing. I would not have changed. I haven't changed. Let's just let's think that. Let's make it clear. This one's been the same for years, and no Emmy is going to change my girl, and actually we're a culture number forty four. No Emmy is

going to change my girl. Except when I went to Emmy, I'll be changing no. I think I want Matt Rodgers to win an award of prestige badly because I really want people to to to see with their own eyes how you will stay true to yourself. I need to be the standard for staying true to yourself. And actually that's actually true. I think you are already. I just think people people need to see it with their own eyes,

not that people don't. Not other people don't. I've always told you that if I one day and my my death bed and I haven't you got it, I will be pissed off. If I don't you got I'll be so piste off. I feel like I'll just be I rate if I haven't you got it by my by my t O D time of death. I think there will be It's it's a long career you've got ahead of you. I think that we should you got for all the same projects. That will be hard, but it

will be really hard. It's like it's like it's like adding another hurdle, you know what I mean, because what you got without you, I'll be like, yeah, thanks, and then if you got together, I'll be so happy. So and I'm just like, I'm not gonna be satisfied with just you got if you're not there with me, girl, the way you are my sister and every way I have. Really, I know I do this like every other week, but I really do miss my girl so much. But the way Capital T Capital W, I'm going to be seeing

you pretty shortly. We just made New Year's plans. We just made New Year's plans to announced we're going to No, we can well, I would love to announce because I would love well, I would just love recommendations. Yeah, actually yeah, I think it's fine to say we're going to Mexico City. We're going to We're going to c DMX. We can't wait, um and we can't wait to go see the museums,

the town squares, the architecture, all of it. Well, I was talking ABOUTE and I UM FaceTime the other day and I was I was telling you that, so so we're going with study and MO. It was originally their trip, and we've kind of hopped on so Sudi Sudi. And when I was like, oh, maybe I'll be interested in going to Mexico City, she goes. She short of dragged me without meaning to. I told you what. She goes. She goes, well, it's not gonna be a lot of relaxing,

it's gonna be activities. And I was like, oh, what kind of activities? And she goes a lot of museums. And I could tell she was trying to warn me because she thought I wouldn't. But I'm a cultured girl. Okay, I'm lost culture. You're lost your lost culture stas. I think. I think there's I see what you're saying. I also think maybe she has a very good friend of yours knows that you don't love museums, like you don't pursue museums when you travel. I think that's all she was

trying to say. Maybe I'm turning over a new leaf. Maybe I want to say, oh, that's an interesting rock. You know, where did it come from? You know, maybe that's an interesting bowl. What culture made it? You know what I mean? Like I sort of want to understand and get into museum culture and it's never too right.

If only there were a rock and Bull museum that you could go to in every city in the world, and every city in the world, so all, but there is also there's nightlife Mexico City aptly going to deliver in Mexico. I don't know why I said it, Like Mexico City city has a lot of nightlife, has a lot of queer culture. I think it's oh, it's called like the Pink Square or something that's in the Zona Rosa or something is the red the Pink Zone. I love that, the zone that's like the queer, that's like

the traditional queer. And now like there's there there's all these new queer neighborhoods that are popping up around the city, but the original one. If I'm not mistaken and maybe totally wrong on this Zona Rosa. And that's sort of why we reach out to the readers. You know, please if we don't know anything, no, no, and you should just say like first and foremost, like of course we come onto this podcast and from the beginning we've called

ourselves experts. But that's not true. I'm gonna We're gonna pull the curtain back right now, Okay, that's never been true. It's not true. Everybody calm down, Just calm down. We're rarely right. That's so. I mean, I think, okay, I think the real readers no, because we're back to being readers now have been fired your all readers once against have been fired. The real readers know that we are.

We don't know anything. Yeah, we don't know ship We really don't and and so like sometimes people sort of get upset at us for getting things, and you just have to understand that is that is the big lie. That's the other big lots of the other big line. It's actually really culture number ten. The other is that we know anything. We don't know anything. Anyway, we can catch up on life first before where there's a lot of culture to get into. I can't even believe Bowen.

It's actually it's actually one of those things where it's like you say, catch up on life and it actually sort of bleeds in together with the culture. For me anyway, because it has been such a ripe time for the culture. Bow And said, well, we have a guest on this week, and I said, you know what, And I'm still on buzzing and on a high from our guests last week, Dr Wendy, that was amazing. We love her. I feel it sounds like it sounds like you guys did okay

out there. It sounds like there was even some minds change that maybe we're for some ridiculous reason not Team Wendy, and now you are. We love you, we kiss you. But there has been so much culture. I said, I think it just has to be me and my sister because we have so much to wade through. But it's seems like you want to talk life. So if I'm thinking about what's gone on in my life. Definitely, there was Thanksgiving, definitely, and how did you feel about it?

H you know what first year ever in my adult life where I didn't cook a turkey? Mom insisted on going to allow. Mom insisted on going to a nice quote unquote brunch that she booked at a place that we love to go to. First Thanksgiving meal. The only time she could get was ten am. We got up, it was we had Thanksgiving it ten am. And that is actually, oh wait a minute, this was maybe going to be my own with thinks. So honey, but I'm sorry,

I just commentdeered asking you what life was like? No, no, no, because because because I said I didn't, I didn't really have it because my life has been so much culture because I stayed in l A for things. Okay, so go off, Okay, So so I'll just let me just finish this up and then we'll get into the culture because I respect that. I actually am I envy that was your life, hundred hundred period. So had ten am Thanksgiving, which I had no real, so to speak, misgivings about.

And then after that, my parents and I go on a hike in Castlewood Canyon, Colorado, beautiful hiking trail. We go on a hike, and then I was going to make side dishes for dinner quote unquote and just like make like neck and cheese, mashed potatoes, stuffing, like and then just really, well we all come to the table for you exactly. I still wanted to drive. No, no, no, exactly right. So I went on a hike with my parents. I documented it on Instagram. Everybody commenting why are your

parents not wearing hiking clothes? Why are they wearing button downs and the dazzled sweaters and stuff like this, and I want and I basically was like I got into one reply with someone and I was like because they're immigrants, darling, dear r. The rules don't have to a fly, and it's kind of beautiful when people don't assimilate. And if they if they want to wear a fucking crazy sweater as they hike and like not like a loafer, let's say they can and it's okay. And if they want

to eat Thanksgiving dinner at ten am, that's okay. Step outside of the box. Everyone, Come on, it's queering the culture. My parents are queer. My parents are queer. After this year, after this thanks Giving their queer. The Yangs are queer culture, and they're here to stay okay, and they're here to stay you thank you, Mama Ruling. He is a queer god. And I'm staying in here on the podcast. What about the gayest men in America? Man? Is it? She? She? She?

She rules the queer school. She and share actually together have a power. They dictate queer culture. They're the chancellor. When I see all you guys out on your hikes now and you're not wearing what you would call a fabulous sweater or a fancy sweater that my mother that that man war. If you're not wearing what men were out on the on the trails. Then then you're not actually getting it, you're not clearing the hike space. And that's actually a flop flopless knop, as to quote Nicki

Minaj on the real Houses of Potomac. But wow, I can't believe that some people just want to pick on little things. It's okay. I don't think they were. I don't think a lot of them were picking on it. They were just confused. This is the first time he had seen this, and I think they had a lot of questions, of course, and I maybe for a second mistook it as well. They're being unqueered, They're being very normative. And now I just want to tell everybody, queer the

hiking space. Queer your hiking space, where your heels, where your heels, tell where your heels yours. Try it and send us a photo and we will repost. We will if you. This is really asking them to get into a dangerous situation, but I'm going there anyway. I would love for you to tag yourself and your girlfriends out on the hike in your heels. Everyone get over, but to the nearest cliff, get to the vista. Take a photo of you in your heels on a hike and

tag it. At last, culture Rista's hashtag heels on a high hashtag clearing the hike. I feel like this is dangerous and maybe we don't promote this, but if you can wear a bedazzled sweater please on the hike, Please do so that it's just as queering as the heels. How about this, It doesn't have to be heels if it is extra points whatever extra point means. You know, we can dictate later points. Take a picture of yourself on a fabulous hike. That's all I'm saying. Are you

smoking Reefer? I thought we were smoking. I thought we always smoke Reefer on the culture catch Up. So I'm so let me just let me pull back the curtain. No, no, no, I want you to indulge in go there, but let me pull back the curtain. So today I had my first rehearsal for having heard a Christmas with Henry. How did it go? It went really well. We got through all the songs. I only went up on my lyrics a couple of times, which is fine. But it's feeling.

It's feeling good to sort of use my hashtag instrument again. But I am also realizing it's been a long time. So I'm getting back into it. My first shows are this weekend in Chicago. I'm very excited, but I've definitely been as a result of me trying to be a little bit more safe with my voice, I've been very much a shut in, and so that has resulted in me,

I respect this to the high heavens. I have been absorbing so much culch and going out and doing some things like me and Mo actually had a fabulous Thanksgiving together. We really saw the stories it looked, and Vanya the cat was with us, and Vanya is, of course my gay gods, so gay, and he was. He was so gay and fabulous, and you could tell he wanted to get into the food so much. You know the thing

of when I pet wants to get into the food. Yes, that is we all know this girl Beethoven with a drumstick. Hilarious comedy. One of the comedy icons Beethoven. That dog knew the assignment. A lot of people would say, he did what he needed to do. He did what he needed to do, had the turkey leg in his mouth while still giving you droopy eyes going huh, just dead pan, dead pan and God just giving you Aubrey Plaza before she was even around, Okay, that is true, was not

around when Beethoven came out. Aubrey Plaza was what a blastula. She was a zygotic, young, dead pan doer. But after Beethoven anyway, So you've been, really you've been. You've been shutting in, you're protecting the instrument. I say, bravo, thank you, and that's premature, but we hope to hear a lot of that all throughout December. All right. So basically, when I say that a culture has been my experience so far, what I mean is there's been so much out there.

There really has been to chew on and talk about. I think that number one, and you know, we'll talk about all of it, but number one, I would say, but and this of course is a little monster podcast, and I think that you know, while you say that, you know, Lady Gaga changed her life in terms of her music. I would consider myself Lady Gaga's number one fan as an actress because I actually saw Stars Born a record four times the first weekend it came out, and I have seen a House of Gucci twice. This

is incredible. And let me just say without this encapsulates a lot of my feelings about the movie. Would not see it again, even even though I also I too love Lady Gaga as an actress. You love her so much that you would see the movie twice. So when when the first viewing of the film was over, I had regrets about having a plan to see at a second time. Because here's the thing about House of Gucci. I don't think it's good. I agree, but Lady Gaga

is spacular spectacular would you agree? You said spectacular, I said phenomenal. Bit at the same time, you didn't hear me, honey, specnomenal, specnomenal title of that title, that specnomenomenal. Lady Gaga is secnomenal. So you loved her. I loved her so much she actually here's the thing. Like I was texting with Dave about it. He said to me, I didn't because here's

the deal. Like in the press for the movie, in the trailer for the movie, there is a degree of oh my god, this is going to be camp and a little bit of nervousness like did she go too far this time? I did not laugh at her at all. To me, I bought her entire performance. I actually felt that Lady Gaga's performance was the tone and that was supposed to be that it was supposed to be, and then every other actor unfortunately was not in the same movie. I mean, I think that much has been made of

this already on online. Like I'm not saying something new anyway, but I actually think it unfortunately falls on the director of really Scott, because there was almost no direction in this movie. It was like you had Lady Gaga doing House of Gucci what it should have been, and it really you know, that's that you had Adam Driver sort of like underplaying it in a way that unfortunately was dull.

And then Jared Leto in what I'm calling the Walluigi biopic Purple because because Paolo was wearing purple Babe, this was a zoo animal performance. I have no one, I really I think now we can all say not not ours. We we don't. We don't, we don't claim him, we don't think anything of him. No, I think there are some people out there like us who might really enjoy him. Here's the deal. And I'm saying we are, we shouldn't.

I am not a fan and this is and I've had is was with certain things before, but like for me, this is my This is actually an issue I have with the movie. He deliberately and willfully did not match her. And I think I actually called the performance narcissistic and and and like egospyst because he obviously it's the prosthetics of it all, because first of all, Peloguchi did not

look like that, So it's the prosthetics. It's the hammy hammy, hammy overacting, which yes, some of that blame does fall on Realley Scott, but it just felt like like chewing the scenery performance in a movie that did not require that or need that. And I almost think it's a casting issue because why don't you just put someone in

that movie in that role that actually embodies that person. Therefore, you wouldn't be telling the actor, hey, you're in a prosthetic with a movie, in a movie with Lady Gaga. And he thinks, because he didn't gauge it correctly, that that meant I'm going to deliver will Luigi Bio can we I have a feeling this probably can't be conferred and this is just conjecture. I feel like he probably was the one to push for the prosthetics. It reads to me as you know, he's the one who demanded

those pross That's what I'm saying. And so really I think I just grimaced anytime, especially in the scene with Gaga where like the father Son House, a Gucci scene, I was just like he was he was he upset me. I was like stop it, cut it out. It was completely distracting. And also it is credit to Gaga that she's able to anchor that scene and she actually manages something kind of spectomenal, which is that she's able to be the fun thing in every scene and also anchor it. Yes, Wow,

you're so right, my sister genius. You know what I'm saying. It's like when when when she is not on screen, why are we watching it? Exactly? Do you think? Do? And I guess obviously the filmmakers did think that this was supposed to be something everyone wants to because it was an epic about Gucci. If you thought that, then you would give us something in the writing early on that makes us care about Gucci. There was nothing in this movie that said outside of that Gucci meant wealth

and power and family. There was nothing in in in the House of Gucci that was akin to the assassination of Johnny Versacci, which really let you know what Versaca

was all about. You pronounced it correctly, Rosa. You're so right because there because even when she meets him for the first time at the party, it's like there's no like, there's no there's no like she doesn't like widen her eyes when like she like tells her who she is or something, you know, like there should be something that like flips in her when she finds out who, like like who his family is. You know, I think she she hints at it a little bit, but also it's

never saying that's not it's not her problem. I think it's in the script, like there's no there's no moment in the direction, there's no moment anyway. Sorry, Yeah, I

would say that. My my issue is that if you're going to because again, like I feel that this movie actually commits a lot of the same errors that Starsborne did, which is, once it loses her, it loses us because in the last forty minutes, which by the way, this is a two hour and forty minute movie, and you feel every minute of the last forty minutes because when

they bring in Reeve carneyas Tom Ford. It's like, wait, so this so this is a movie about Gucci, movie about her, because that's not how the first half of the movie was. It was very much about her, and then all of a sudden it's not. And we have to watch that long scene at the end, which is Morritio Gucci played by Adam Driver getting dismissed from the company, and it's like, wait, this is not the part that we ever cared about exactly it was, Yeah, I agree,

it was a slow crawl. And then by the time she shows up again with Salma looking like Joe Calderone what like that scene, it's so she's a get She's not even doing that much like campy stuff. I would call it not camp but even just like the it's it's not camp but even the fun, like the fun part that you remember is who does what? The way she points her finger, but it's still like, I don't know, it's still so like that. I mean that just speaks to how like much her absence has felt in that

last forty minutes. You know. The thing is like in the trailer when you see like who does What? And don't miss and like you're laughing and you're like, oh no, But then when you watch the movie, her performance is very consistent. Do you know what? I wish they had

more scenes of Gaga and Jeremy Irons. I think all we got was that meal where they first meet, and that scene is great because of the two of them, like like it's so like it's It's just I thought that was a decent scene, like out of the many like weird scenes in the movie. Pretty much every time

she's on screen, I enjoy the movie. Yeah, it's just that too much of it forgets that, too much of it thinks that the interesting thing is this epic tale of the rise and fall of Mauricio Gucci and the Gucci family, when meanwhile, that is not why we buy the ticket. And maybe I'm being presumptuous here, but I almost feel a more interesting movie completely leaves this behind and is merely about what happens when she gets divorced

and and what her life becomes. And I think there's a more interesting movie about the plot with Salma and these guys and the aftermath of the murder, realizing what she's done and that she didn't get away with it. That to me, is the more interesting film. I love that. Oh my god, it very like Itania almost and we saw none of it. We saw him, I mean spoiler alert, I guess if you haven't seen it, but by this

point whatever, we'll put it in the liner notes. But we see him getting murdered, and then she writes Paradiso in her um journal, which really happened. And then you see her getting sentenced. Pretty much that's the and then and then and then the credits roll. Yeah right, And meanwhile, isn't there so much more to the fact that she did not get away with this probably thought she would

or maybe did it. Like, there's just a lot more to explore in terms of the character of Patricia Reggianni that I feel the movie doesn't have much interest in. And I think it's a mistake the way you just broke this done for everybody. The readers that that stick with the pod know that when they trot out these movies at the end of the year and see these are the Oscar movies. I take that seriously. And I'm like, okay, well, if this is like defining the culture, I mean, you

all heard that I was not easy. I'm promising young woman in that script and I respect the fact that it won the OSCAR for Best Original Screenplay, but I hold these things to a high standard for better or worse. And no one went into House of Gucci wanting to love it more. And I leave and it's seven because of the strength of her performance. And I think al Pacino was fabulous. Oh Pacino was you and I talked about how we both loved Pecino absolutely, Oh my god,

he was so great. He should be the buzzy supporting performance. Yes, yes, agree. I think that sometimes the industry and actors get so up their own ass about the transformation of it all that they're not thinking about tone Like this Jared Letto performance is willfully bad. He was he kind of was throwing the movie a little bit. It felt like he didn't respect her prosthetics. And movies for the most part, are just like the perfect symbol of this obsession with

losing disappearing into the role, which is so fucking overrated. Yeah, I I don't think we actually need it, you know what I mean? I don't care like like and this is the thing is like, you know, American time Story ends in a while back. But even with Sarah Paulson in that in that series, which I thought she was great, Like I don't know if I needed the prosthetic or maybe it was. And I think she's an amazing actress and you know whatever, but maybe it's not the right

person for the part. Then if you have to like put a prosthetic on to make it clear, how quote unquote ugly this person was, you know what I mean, Like, it's just there's something nasty about it. I kept my finger on it, but the prosthetic of it all throws me because I think we're moving it. I think we're gonna move out of it because I think we we aren't the only ones who feel this way. I think we're at a breaking point with it. That's what I'm saying. Like very soon we will, like I think in like

ten years, the industry will avoid it so much. Truly. It's not like a C G I thing where it's like, oh no, they can develop the technology better. It's that it just it's it's it's this thing of like why, like what is it really saying when we like make someone look a certain way with these like little attachments to their ace or something or body, like I don't know what that says about the role, if it's being if it's like if it's an adaptation of a real

story or something. You know, it's like that kind of also noticed that it usually is applied on an actor that is a perfectly symmetrical physical specimen. I mean, Jared Leto is a beautiful person, like anyone in the world could objectively say, oh, that is a beautiful man. Even in this performance, like his eyes just kept exploding out to me. I'm like, see, I'm here's the deal with the prosthetic on I'm actually remembering more and more that

this is Jared Letting. Yes, he did not disappear into it at all for me, because it was clownary. Mm hmmm. So the win the wink of the wink was too big, it like cut through the prosthetic count. Yeah, it was just was it was not effective, And I it's rough because and I think that the thing with him is he gets a lot of credit for being someone who quote unquote disappears into rules. Like you know, he's obviously

not a transgender woman. He wanted an oscar for playing one, probably right in the nick of time, probably about a year and a half later that would have been completely unacceptable, but he did win an oscar for Dallas Buyers Club for playing a transgender woman. He obviously is one of the you know list of jokers that we have, and he was method on that set and sending his cast members like rats in the mail. Literally, um, I just

too much for me. And he seems like I'm over I'm over the Jared Lettle thing and like like I've been for a while and House of Gucci just to me because I feel it was disrespectful. That's why that's what this is where I'm completely I think we it's

so funny. Like to me, Jared Letto is someone who while he's like had these dumb little transgressions and he seems to be an insufferable person, like he hasn't ever like made me care how I feel about him, And now I actually care enough to say that I dislike him. Yeah it's not it's I don't. I think he's like you know what the thing is like like he to me is one of the frustrating ones because like I do feel like he does have talent, you know what I mean, Like I can totally like see he's a

talented person. I think he's a talented musician. You know, his music is not for me. But I actually heard him do a cover of Rihanna Stay one time on that radio lounge or Radio one maybe See one. It was fantastic. And I think that when he plays roles that are appropriate for him. And we could get into a larger discussion about what role is quote unquote appropriate for an actor whose job is to inhabit other things.

But I just think for me, I actually come out of it way more when I see him playing far from himself. You know what, I like him my so called life, you know what. I like him grow interrupted, you know what I mean. I like him when he's giving something that I identify with and I recognize. Yeah, yeah, I don't like while Luigi Biopic. I have a really strange, potentially unfair question to ask. This is just I just want to see I just because I can't. I don't

know what the answer is to this. Let's say Linda trips Sarah Paulson. Would it have worked, which she had been good or effective in the role, if she didn't have the prosthetics on, if she wasn't wearing the fat suit. I don't know. Here's the thing I think she's always going to be good because I think that Sarah is incredibly talented. And I left watching that series, which I did watch the whole thing. I was actually really impressed with her because I thought there was a degree of

humanity that she gave the character. My issue lies in, you know, there's a lot of plus size actresses, a gorgeous, thin, blonde woman and again, I guess I'm asking this because I haven't seen it, so I don't know how much of she's incredible, no notice. I'm sure she's incredible, but I'm not sure how much the show makes um it

a characteristic that she is fat. But then you've told me, like there's so many liquisine SMEEs and all this stuff, and yeah, I'm sure like the human Linda Trip was obviously the way people perceived her was obviously informed by her weight and her figure, and that's why you get like John Goodman playing her on SNL Like it's like

it's like that's which is shitty. You know, It's like there is a narrative thread in the series which is yes, from the first episode you see her sort of you know, following nineties diet trends, um but it's less about her weight that she's made fun of and ridiculed and bullied in the public eye and more because of two things. One she fully betrayed her best friend and it was like a very to the public at the time. And you could agree, you could argue now black and white betrayal.

She's a she's a horrible person. We just and and it does, it does color in some shades of gray. But she definitely did something that I think this this this series sort of hints at that she regretted for the rest of her life. Um because it did destroy Monica's life at the time, but also it's more about her getting ridiculed because she is and this is like the word that they would all use, ugly. It's about how ugly she is, how ugly she is, how ugly

she is. And so by the end of the first season, and this really happened, Linda Trip in real life got extensive cosmetic surgery to look completely different so that a she wouldn't be recognizable and and you know, torn apart for the rest of her life and she could start her life over, but also be because Sarah Polson actually has a line in the last episode where she says, you know, I never actually realized how ugly I was

until everyone told me, which is heartbreaking. There's something to the fact that there's a fucking gorgeous actress playing her who has no shortage of opportunities. So that's I guess, you know, it's it's an interesting conversation. And when that's there's no responsibility or any sort of like stage gate for like someone for Sarah to be like, I shouldn't take the role, you know, Like, that's not what we're saying. We're just saying there's this dilemma in Hollywood that may

or may not. Yeah, well it's it is a you know, it's a thing of like, well, not not to rope it into the diversity conversation, but it's like, what about people who do look like regular people? You know what I mean, Like I mean Linda trip was, I mean what whether or not whether or not she was unattractive is subjective ultimately, but it's also like, so much the show is so much about the beauty standard that for them to put an actress in a fat suit and

a prosthetic to make her less attractive is problematic. Yes, when you're doing a show about the beauty standard, right right, it's not problematic then, like diluted and like we as an audience don't really sort of buy in. Yeah, And I also think, you know, Ryan Murphy really likes to work with who he works with, and I also don't begrudge him that. I think that he he obviously prefers to work with certain actors and I think that Sarah Paulson is one of the best out there, So I

don't begrudge that. I just think, you know, if we were to leave watching this series without discussing that, and it's interesting we talk about it in the thing of House of Gucci because at a certain point it's a talking point. I think for the opposite reason they wanted to be, because it doesn't allow us to opt in. It actually distracts us from yes, yes, yes, I love this.

I think it's time to move on. So I wanted to ask you about a movie that we just both saw, which you told me that you watched and I enjoyed so much, and I mentioned it last week on the Pot and I'm really so happy that you watched then your parents enjoyed it so much, which was Passing by Rebecca by Rebecca Hall loved it so much and we

watched it. I watched it with my parents because I'm now I'm having to pick up movies where there are Chinese subtitles, and Netflix, with at least their original stuff will have Chinese subtitles on, and so played it. How the subtitles on. My dad keeps being like, I don't need these, I can understand what's going on. I actually had that question for you, though, I did, I did, I did. I wondered just how much of it they were.

They were, they followed all of it, they loved it, but um, the subtitles thing is funny, and it's this funny like first generation thing. I guess maybe where first enieration millennial gen z thing. You're either overestimating or underestimating how much your parents can, like your immigrant parents who don't speak English as their first language, can like absorb

narratively in something. I feel like Passing was a movie that ended up being so like, so wonderfully lean and yet so effective, and the storytelling in the narrative that like they got it and they understood everything that was going on. Yes this, I mean I love this, I love I I pretty much loved everything about it. I mean, I thought that Tessa Thompson was exquisite, and I think that she she is not getting talked about enough at this time of year because I think there's a lot

of bigger, louder performances. But she So what if people don't know the story is about Tessa Thompson is a woman who lives in Harlem, and this is the nineteen twenties in New York and she one day is passing in a white part of this city so that she

can run errands. And what that means for people that don't know is that she is basically light skinned enough where she can sort of disguise herself as a white woman so that she is not attacked, ridiculed, harassed, or worse in this white part of town where she needs to run errands for the day and it's a very

high day. So she stops in a hotel and runs into a childhood friends of hers played by Immaculate, who is fully passing as a white woman with blonde hair, married to Alexander scars Guard who continues to push himself like and he does there's no monster, he won't play, and there's something brave about it. It's very brave. I am part of me is may be worried that this is all he's getting offered. It's a little typecast threatening.

He's obviously someone who I mean, he's Norman like I think I think that he's one of the best actors as well. But yeah, he plays her husband and basically like they have a conversation that leaves both of them wanting to reconnect. And it's dangerous because Alexander scarts Guard is a major racist and so they start a friendship again and the movie takes off from there and it's

just it's just fabulous. I mean, she Rebecca Hall wrote this right, and she wrote and directed it based on her own experience of finding out that her grandfather passed. I mean there was such like I told you this right, and I think, I really think, I don't think I'm off here. It was a Tennessee Williams quality about this. It's also very streetcar like, for like coming into the home of this marriage like it just and she was playing like Southern Bell, like Blanche Dubois, like Ruthe ruth um,

and it was just so so like wonderfully done. Shot in black and white as a choice yeah, I mean I loved it. I loved it so much. I mean, we're just saying how much we love it, right we

were discussing, I don't, I mean, I don't. I obviously don't want to give much of the plot away, but it is really actually it's very interesting as a as a movie to look at right now, I think, particularly in our times, because one of the subplots which I thought was really interesting is um Tessa Thompson and her husband have a disagreement about how much to tell their

children about violence towards black people. And I thought that it was a really really fascinating conversation and argument that they have because Tessa Thompson is the more light skinned in the couple and she thinks our kids don't need to know about it, and her husband who's more dark skinned and cannot pass. Her husband cannot pass, doesn't have that privilege. He is like, no, they do need to

know about it. And you know, you see the way that Ruth Nega, who is you know, extremely charismatic and does pass, is able to step back into black society and really becomes the bell of the ball. So it's so much internally going on in Tessa Thompson's character to the point where it all ends up to this climax, which is you know, really really really impactful. And I just think that everyone should watch it because it's so

beautifully done. And Tessa Thompson, I think this put her in a different league for me, absolutely, And I was telling you that, like she had a very difficult thing to accomplish in this role where between Stella and Blanche, like Blanch is the more interesting one, like it's the same thing here. It's like or it's like like it's like similar to Zola in a way where it's like the looser, I mean not the looser canon like the

more mysterious person. The actor like that role is just a little bit shinier and more fun yes to an audience, and for her to sort of have to be this like grounding thing person, I'm sorry, I'm so stoned, but but does this make sense? Like she like makes she really had to like hold that grounded nous. I just think we don't respect nuance enough. I just think especially

you know, it's just so hard to do. And I think that even in Gaga's performance in House of Gucci, like people are going to think, oh, this is like, you know, an over the top, like wildly emotional performance, but there is nuance in it, and I think that that's really what I look for, as I look for those little things under the surface that that tell you all you need to know. And Passing has so much of that. And I think it's also credit to the

script and Rebecca Hall. You know, I've always been interested in her as an actress, like I've always been, you know, aware of her. I like her, and Vicky Christina I like her, and you know, she was in Frost Nixon, I think is the first thing I saw her, and she was in the town. She's in lots of good stuff.

She has a real talent as a writer. Yeah, oh my god, so tight that script, like for yeah, I mean that triangle of Testa's character the husband and Ruth's is such a perfect like triangulation, sorry to say that again, but like for testas character where she's like caught between these two poles. Yes, it's so great. Yeah, I feel like, you know, the Testament is a great writing and also great direction and acting obviously is how much is our sticulated and what is not said and so on the page?

You know what I love is that there's very long scenes between the actors, like I really love I missed that I miss I missed, like, um, you know because it very easily could be uh like a scene on stage. Um. And it was a novella, so it's a it's a it's an adapted work, but this is a really it's like there's scenes study you can do it because there's subtext and there's really rich things for the actress to play and they're just so good. I just can't recommend

it enough. And I was really happy that you watched it and liked it so much. Girl, I loved it. Let's move on. Should we talk about speaking of colorism? Should we just talk about Potomac? Well, it's so so yeah. I mean, just to dive back into our like our, because I feel like with Wendy, we were talking so much about her in her life that we really didn't get into it about Potomac. But this was the long teased episode. This is a long episode. But I I just want to say, this is not me patting us

in the back. I was so surprised her at her surprise that the audience was registering the colorism that was happening on the show, Like when we brought it up, she seemed genuinely like shocked in a way, like she was like, oh, I didn't know you guys were clocking

that too. I mean, I don't know this for sure, but I think that is probably a testament to just how abandoned dark skinned black people and dark skinned black women often feel in this conversation, because like, this is not this did not just come up on this show. But these things don't change. And I think that you know, to me, it's very obvious. And obviously last night was a more fun episode of the Reunion where Nicki Minaj

got into so many things. But I still think we have this you know, hanging narrative, which is the fact that you know there's that there's an issue at play there. But this was kind of just more fun. And I love that Nikki like she really was willing to break the fourth wall a little bit with them, which I always enjoy. I love it she knew that she or Andy told her like, you can actually take a side in all the things, and she was like and like

she made it known. And I think she said a lot of things that the audience has thought the time. And I just I mean I talked to a friend and I was like, oh my god, did you want what did you think? And he was like, I really hated it. He was like I wish it would have

been twenty minutes. But then I was like, oh really, and he specifically referenced and it made sense to me when he was like, yeah, like it was insane to watch like Canada squirm when like they were making her sing like that is something that was a little uncomfortable, very uncomfortable. Actually it was. That was the only moment

where I felt bad for one of them. I was like, see, this is a little unfair, because I mean, let's be real, Nicki Minaj is going to sit up there on that stage and be like, we know you use auto tune. Do you think that she's sang a note of the super based chorus? Do you think that she come on Starships was actually acapella. The final track is acapella, and she's doing all of that with her with her own voice.

It was army of computers on all of Nicki Minaj's albums, and we respect her, and but to bring that in, I think, of course she wanted to, you know, stir it up a little bit. But the thing is like the thing with singing like that, it's like when you're put on the spot like that and you haven't been warming up, like you know. I I did feel bad for her, and then you know her her acapella was not great, like because she was nervous. She was nervous. It's clear she can sing though, it's clear she of

course and the song is a hit. And I didn't appreciate the way that was a mess Nikki was making Nikki and Mia fuck Mia, MIA's toast, no piece of ship she's done. But the way they were making Candice feel like it was not a successful single, like it absolutely is to chart on Billboard is a huge ecologis

a huge deal. And the way they the way that Nikki was making faces, and I think this might have been the editing about the amount of albums that Candice has sold, like that's nothing to sneeze at, like no

one buys albums anymore. Like you know, her single formed it is the best housewife single, definitely single from a housewife, right, like I would say, I mean, unless a lot of people are in a lot of people do love Tardy for the party, which is Candy Burris, you know what I mean, Like she did write it shore but expensive, and like how many funcks like those are just like sonically very fun, but like musically just like so stupid. Yeah, their party songs and like just forget about lu Anne's stuff.

But like this is a I thought it's I think it's a great album. I'm happy that she released a new like she lined up the release for her new music video with this finale, this reunion. Um, we we love Candice, We love Candice, and actually, okay, so a lot of actually got some blowback because they were like, you know that NICKI, you know that Candice has said homophobic things. And I was like, you know, at a certain point, like some people have more growing to do

than others. And it's also like I don't watch this show, and every single time someone appears on my screen, I stop and say hold on before I like them, let me go search through their Twitter. I'm sorry, but that's not my bag. There was a moment where it was brought up that LGBTQ people face persecution in this country in a very general sense, and all of the housewives agreed, nodded in acknowledgement. You get a single on Candice saying whatever, it's sad like I feel like she is maybe growing.

I feel like we're I hope we are all in this place now in this conversation just about cancelation in general, where it's like, I, whatever, we why why do I why do we talk about this? I'm sorry, let's cut this part out. I don't think we need to. I mean, like, the thing is just like, look, okay, we're watching the show, and we're watching the characters as they are on the show, and our opinion is this podcast stands the character of

Candice on the show. Okay, so sorry, like, but I'm not looking through her fucking tax returns and her Twitter and I don't actually know her as a person. I'm sorry, I don't follow it that closely. I watched the television show. So if you're gonna unsubscribe from this podcast because we like Candice, that says more about you, darling, dear, it's fine, it's fine. Um, where is your income? Roach is one of the classic tweets, and I couldn't believe she said

it to a woman that she was giving birth. But also, you know what, that's actually good television and that I like, where is your income, Where is your income? Roach? And what? And what did she say to me? You should be you should be as grateful. You should you should she said, you should be grateful. You should have been more grateful. And also, of course I kind of she was trespassing, like Candice gives and gives, it gives you the moment.

I did like that. Andy went up to her at the end and was like, I have to give you props because that was really cool and everyone is supporting you and you sounds great and you did that, like you know, y'all. I thought it was a great episode. Was Nikki was really I thought it the whole time about what Wendy was saying. It was like she was watching this woman push all of these other women off a cliff and then she was like, Oh sh it, it's gonna be my turns soon. I have a feeling

they edited a lot out. I have a feeling that she went harder and they took it out because they were like, I mean, we can't. She was so easy on Giselle in the final edit that I'm like, she must have gone harder. It really came off that she was team Giselle, and I was like, how can you watch the show. But like a lot of people are a lot of people are team Giselle readers even a team Giselle, and we respect that we disagree. We think Giselle is a horrible person. I do it last at

least as depicted. Okay, and again that's what we're talking about. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know Giselle's report card from third grade. I don't know. So I feel that we would be remiss to not mention that, like, if this is going to be a culture podcast, like we truly have lost one of the great artists of all time, who is like the Shakespeare of musical theater. It's been said, and I would agree, which is Stephen Sondheim. I mean, we just have to like truly give respect because that was a

hard one, even though he was ninety one. I believe that is a hard one to not have on planet Earth. This is so, this is that, this is I'm just saying this because it felt like a beautiful coincidence in

my life. The news broken. It came up on my phone that he had passed away, Like the moment it was like reported, I think, not that it matters, but like I was sitting in the theater for House of Gucci by myself, and then and the trailers came up and it was West Side Story like that, Like I was like, I was watching, I was listening and watching like his work as like he whatever, no, it's funny, I learned as I learned that he was you you

bring that up. And also I mean, by the way, speaking of the trailers, like they showed that West Side Story trailer and it was just so gorgeous and looks so beautiful. I can't wait. And Rachel Ziegler, are you coming on? I saw her at the opening night of six. What did she say? She was like, first of all, no, no, not even that. Yes, stunning, the perfect vibe, the perfect we're obsessed. Oh my god. I was like, you are a good person, You are a fun energy, so talented,

obviously just a perfect snow white. Yes, you know what I'm saying. You know what I'm saying, Come on, a human snow white, not even like the princess the way, but just like someone that you're like, what a what an icon? What I'm saying is if you want to be treated like the princess, come on, come on, Rachel, want to talk to you. Well, she she said, she said, I want to come on. See. Here's the thing, though, Rachel.

I'm talking to Rachel. I don't want to deal with your publicists, like because they're gonna say, oh, I don't know, she's got a lot of press she and Steven are doing. That's that's that's no, no, no, no no, no no, We're gonna talk to you only. Well, we won't even deal with the people who have to deal with your agent nothing. We'll just get in the d m s and we'll do this old fashioned both fashion because I don't want to hear that, you know whatever. Pr is like, well,

she's got to do a coldbart. It's like, no, you do Lost Culture Hony. Oh, by the way, there's a great um it's the CNN docu series, but there's a great one that's out on late night TV that I recommend to everybody who likes comedy. I watched it, learned a lot, loved it. I mean, I I am watching anything these days, so I will check that out. But X is what I'm ultimate to say. Putting all their documentaries on X and generally fun to watch, good to know they I mean, they got all the good Ducks.

But basically, um, anyway, like stephen Sonhei Path thing, and now west Side coming out, I'm just I think this is gonna be even bigger than it was going to be. I mean I already feel like West Side is going to come out and pretty much clear the deck. Like when that trailer came out, I was like amazing, I

mean just just incredible. And I did hear from some people that saw it because now it started to screen that it is fantastic and everything, and I just think, you know what, a I don't really necessarily believe in like you know, the fate or whatever, but for this to be coming out like at the end of his life, and it's unbelievable that he's sixty years sixty anniversary of the show. Yeah, it's just and that Rita Moreno was

in it, you know what I mean. Like this is and I mean talk about someone who there's the there's a piece in the Guardian that came out about her bow and you have to read it. She has just lived the most extraordinary life. She talks about how, you know, speaking of street Car before she was in like an eight year relationship throughout the fifties with Marlon Brando that

was like insane. She was treated so badly, like truly the first agent she ever had, he raped her and she had to stay with him, like horrible, horrible, horrible treatment.

After she won the oscar for a West Side story, she wasn't offered anything but like like maids and girlfriends and like bad gangster movies, like very like racially stereotypical parts for years, didn't work for seven years in film after that, like worked her way in television and theater and One Woman shows all the way to her getting an egot. And now only in her eighties after her late husband passed away, was she able to like really

get to know herself. Like it's just an amazing and she there's a documentary about her coming out, but she's in the New West Side. Apparently there's a role they pretty much created for her, and apparently she's amazing. But there's just so much to celebrate in West Side coming out, And you know, Stephen Sondheim was and you know, if you listen to this podcast enough, you know that we stand but I mean true legend and like genius out and like not in a way where you say, like, oh,

you know Selena Gomuz's album is genius. Now, this is like a real this is a real genius. Like, um, it's just not that Selena Gomos can't put out a sound time level album, not that she doesn't have genius in her future. I'm just saying, if we in a world where I used her as an example, genius, icon, etcetera legend, you know, we throw around these words, this

was a true Yeah. I mean I I almost He's the kind of person that like it's immediately humbling to me for me to say I have nothing to add to like what what is being said about like this man's life. Like I'm truly like what it like, it's all it's all been like considered and like appreciated at

the right moment. Like and also what I love this is my this is such bullshit like whatever like Instagram like inspiring quote, but like he really didn't like fully like come into his like whatever, like he gives a lot of people might put it like in his forties and fifties, Like that's what I think is Also, I don't know, it's a cool thing to think about maybe like yeah, it's just like I think I think Sunday came Sunday the Park came out, like I think when

he was like late forties, early fifties, that makes a lot of sense to me. I mean, I can't imagine being capable artistically and creatively of the things he was at a young age. But then it's like, you know, and by the way, did you have you watched the movie Tech Tick Boom? I haven't yet, and I'm kind of waiting for like I'm saving it for the right woman, which I know is so annoying to hear. It is another fabulous mind right now. I watched it. It's also

on Netflix. Andrew Garfield is so incredible in it. Yeah, I mean, he's so amazing in it. And the movie is of course about Jonathan Larson. You know, it's about him basically struggling to become successful and you know, etcetera. And he revers and idolizes Stephen Sondheim, and the movie like treats Stephen Sondheim as this like huge character and basically it ends with him getting a note from Stevenson

Teime that encourages him. And so this obviously, and Jonathan Larson would end up writing Rent obviously, and that went on. I think believe the story is he died on the night of or the night before the first preview of Rent off Broadway or whatever, um and it would obviously

go on to revolutionized modern musical theater. But the fact that this movie reveres him so, and that these people in musical theater revere himself, and that this movie is coming out now, it just does like I feel like this very odd, eerie, perfect storm of you have to be you know, grateful for both the life that he lived in the art that he gave, but also that he gets to really be truly celebrated, like by his

legacy at his work at the time. If you're if there's anything to be thankful about, are grateful about when someone passes, at least that at least it's like that recognition, because I don't think like, as an artist and as a creator and as someone who has influenced so many, there's anything better than that to know that as we leave, there's this love for you, you you know, so just very special, very special. I think we can talk about either survivor or selling Sunset. I want, I want, I want to

talk about both. And that's actually that's actually something I put my foot down a ut please, that's the last culture last culture flavor, because um wait, I just want to tell you, did you see that the Grammy nominations came out and there was the scandal I have been following the Grammys? Okay, So the Grammy nominations came out, like and of course, the first episode of this podcast is called the Grammys, so we always have to like

pay respects to our origins here. So the Grammy nominations came out and like there was ten nominees in all the general categories and it's like mostly Olivia Rodrigo and she'll like sweep and then the Taste and yeah yeah, so um, basically it came out that there was originally only going to be eight nominees for Album of the Year and then they decided to add two more at the last second, and it was Donna by Kanye West and Evermore by Taylor Swift. That's what Okay, Yes, yes,

I have vaguely picked this up. Yeah, um, I mean whatever, Like, who fucking cares. It's so stupid that that it's like the Grammys continue to be a complete mess, Like there's such a joke. It's so annoying. And then for that to leak. It's so disrespectful to them. It makes them look so bad as an award's body. It's just such flops. And you know, I guess like ultimately all for nothing, because you know, Olivia and driver's license is gonna walk

out with all the awards. I would imagine maybe a little nas X wins album, but I mean, I mean, oh but we do. Let's give a shout out to Japanese Brakfast for being a Grammy nominee. Fucking great year for her. Came in with the book, came in with a new album. It's so good. Um, congrats Michelle's honor. I'm talking about her as if she's like a friend of the pod. She's not. I just I did one book event with her over Zoo in the winter, and I don't know, I feel like we're friends, were not,

We're not. Well, it's great to derive some positive out of their Grammy nomination. I was like, are you kidding here? And then when that controversy came out, I was like, oh god, they really can't help themselves, Like, just don't have it leak. How does that happen? I know, I know. Wait, speaking of music, what's your favorite track on thirty we didn't talk about my God. I'm sorry we didn't talk about dirty last week because we had Wendy on and

we couldn't distract from the conversation. Um my favorite talk off thirty Cryer, Heart Out and Love is a Game. I texted you when ye when I first heard Love is a Game at this with doing the concert special and I was like, this is a gorgeous song, new classic classic loved. I mean the vocals on to be Loved, that the and it's just like and then I saw an interview with her and she's like, I'll never sing it,

live it. I can't. Who could? And then she pushes on her Instagram doing it like ripping it in her Yeah, just killed it. I mean she's never sounded better, Like the vocals are warm, lubricated, yeah yeah, but deep but still deep. Oh we love it. I mean she's like giving you like clean melisma, like she's she's just like

she is like an instrument. She never doesn't hit the note like she's really just and you feel it, you feel it, you know what I really kind of like responding to in my like what I tried to really internalize from her Oprah interview was when she was like when Ober asks her about like where the always comes from or whatever, and she's just like, I feel like I like, I like connect with something bigger and a lot of artists say this, but like she's like whenever

she's like whenever I sing, like I'm not I'm not like really in my body or something. Right, she was she was like, I'm kind of like I'm not aware of what I'm doing, and like she's connecting with some like I don't know, like she's channeling. She's channeling, Yes, that's what she said, and so like I'm trying to like do that more. Does that sound so stupid? No,

I'm trying. I'm trying to Like I'm trying to do that when I'm like writing, when I'm like trying to come up with like an idea, I'm like, let me just think less, let me just like think up like I don't not not that that's the direction of it, like like crown chakra, like let me just like connect with the bigger thing. And I don't know, I'm like she easily like getting into that. No, I mean a d percent. I'm like it's whatever. People can drag me

for this if they want. But even today, like Henry and I were on the songs, and I think I had a more difficult time with the first like three or four, just because I was getting back into it.

Also it's Christmas is and that's the first song. So that's that's that one, and then it goes right into the second song, which is vocally difficult, and then ballad start and so there's But there's a song that I do six in my show, which is my favorite thing I've ever written, as the fame thing I've ever done. It's called Every Christmas Eve. It's my Mrs Claus song, and it's actually one of the more vocally tough ones.

But I said to Henry after we did it, because I felt really good about the way I went today, and he I could tell he did too, And I was like, you know what's easy about that one is because you really just try to tell the story to feel it and like honestly do do little lyrical analysis in it, like even if that was my own writing, just like to try to like think less about like whether or not your voice feels good, or whether or not you're being funny, or whether or not whatever, and

it's just actually a lot more simple. It's about just like like just getting the work across, you know what I mean, just just because it is actually all about telling stories like when you're a comedian, when you're a performer or whatever, like just focusing on the articulation of it and less about the bullshit that is, like you know, whether the notes are right, or whether like or whether

or whether I'm on my mark or whatever. This thing, I'm like, yes, that's annoying, but like it's it's like fru fru or whatever, but it actually does help you free up and discover things as a performer. I love that you're incorporating this in your own work as you lead up to your shows. I also just want to say this reminded me of the way that Taylor Swift

has talked about songwriting. Do you know this where She's like, the best way I can describe songwriting is there's like a magical cloud in front of you, and you're supposed to catch it before it goes away, Like like you're supposed to capture this thing. You're supposed to capture this like magical thing that you can't touch, you can't grap, you gotta like get it down on like paper or

something like before before it leaves you. And I'm like, that is kind of maybe the same fur fuit thing where it's like you're supposed to like commune with this thing that comes to you that passes by and you have to have to like get it down before it leaves you. I don't I don't know about you, but almost, I'm feeling twenty two almost And you know that she wrote that in a state of channeling. Oh my god,

it's rural culture number thirty nine. When um, but it's so rare that when I labor over something or work on something really hard that it ends up being really good. Meanwhile, it's like when I chipped something out or like something just it is so much well, I don't know. It's just like when I think about the things I'm really proud of the things that I'm like still performing now, it's usually stuff that came very leads me. Yeah, I know, I know. Oh I love that, And that's such a

good feeling. It's such a good feeling when it just kind of flows out and for some people like it just happens. I feel like you are one of those people where it just really does it flows out of you. When it happens. It happens when, But I'm saying it's not about when it happens or when it doesn't. I'm saying it happens often for you. And that is what's beautiful for me. Like it's I don't know, there's there this figot is fucked because I'm like, that's it's a

slow drip. You have to create all the time though that I think that's that's the difference, Just like this is this is what I've never gotten about us and now and I'll just be totally transparent about of this. You guys, basically to create the thing, it's so hard, like it's one day, I know, And that to me is like I get, I get that it's like a scheduling thing, and I get that that's just the way

it works. But I just always thought about, like what if somebody has a brilliant idea and of course, like things happen in the news and that it gets channeled through to the cold open and stuff, and that's not not a part of the show. But so like creativity is so not necessarily like that, and you'd have to be such a specific type of person to be able to just be like, Okay, sitting down to do this during a lot of time, and this is what I'm going to get it right, you know, which I know

is not as basic as it is. But no, no, no, no, um. The thing that happens most often, and I think maybe the saddest thing that happens, is you have a great idea but then and this is what you're saying, basically, but like you burn it that week because you just didn't execute you didn't get the right time to like

execute it the right way. And so then like you do it in front of all your co workers on Wednesday and then fucking bombs and then instinct on it, and then more likely than not, you're never gonna like use that idea again when it might have been a

perfectly great idea because I this is my example. Nudie and I wrote a sketch last season where it was all about it was me and John Maliney playing a couple and our thing was that we kept swallowing in the middle of sentences like it just it just and then like which like, I like, I'm really hung up about this because like it could have been, it could have been something great and we just didn't get it the first time, and now like I can never do it. I kind of feel like I can't bring it up again.

It would be iconic if you did that. Every table read, like just every table read tried to make the swallowing in the middle of sentences thing happened, like would actually be oh, because it's the dumbest day. It's like half an idea. But it didn't. It happen with Vanessa though, Like, isn't it a thing? Like, Oh, how do it happen? Everyone has one of these stories, like, everyone has one of these. Everyone has their like white Whale or you know, or that you keep trying to get in or not

that you keep trying to that you can't. You can't like you can't you know capture, I don't know, you can't like find it. And so that's mine for now. Um My other one is I want to see that Julie and I have written several sequels at this point to Sarah Lee, and none of them have gotten picked. I can't believe that that's true. It's crazy to me. Do you want to do you want to know something? Yes, I won't reveal to who, but I had to run it by one of the producers when Shalami was hosting.

I was like who I was, like Julie and I wrote a follow up to Sarah Lee for Timothy. It's called Chef Boy r D. It's really we think it's really funny. Um. And then this producer says, you know, I think we've done it too many times, and I was like, We've only done it once. And I think what he meant was I brought it to table too many times, which is another thing. I'm like, oh well, now, like I ruined this, like what one of my proudest

like pieces of writing. Sarah Lee like, I hate that, like it's it's there's no like after, there's no like second life for it. You know what? Though sometimes whatever I'm not dragging anything about, Like sometimes I'm really happy to see things come back, and I would be thrilled to see that come back maybe one or two more times. There have been some sketches where it's like, all right, I'm just gonna say it, Gilly. I think it was done twelve times, because that's why it's so I don't know.

I think it listed for of course, of course, like by the third one, everyone's like truly, no one's laughing at it in eight h but like, I think there's there's a meta humor layer here that I think Kristen would cop to, where yeah in again like Gilly's in again, Like that's part of why it's funny, because it's like the one joke never it's like that with one up with that too? What up with that? At one time? Was was SNL, like was Saturdaynight Live? Like what up

with that? Happen? And you know what I never got tired of. I mean, we'll just deep house dish Deep Dish, no, because at least the songs were different or whatever, But I never they need to bring deep passage back because let's not pretend that Keenan isn't still there, like we need can you pitch Deep Past Dish? Well, James Anderson doesn't work there anymore, Mama towards passed towards. I know. No,

I'm gonna text him. I'm gonna text him, Please gives the blessing to do Deep Past Dish again because the new kids need Deep Past Dish. It would hit now more than ever. Really, you should text James. In fact, everybody, the readers. One day when I host when when Matt hosts will do it. But I think the readers should try to try to communicate. I'm not saying bombard James with DMS. Actually now I take it back, but I think James needs to be like, quote unquote pulled out

of retirement for one last deep house dish. When you all agree, I do. I mean, you know what I said. I do know, I'm just I do. That was iconic. That's actually wow. See that's what I'm saying. The flow state baby, Well you know what I'm jealous of. I'm actually really jealous because, um, you know, obviously it's well today we're recording on Cyber Monday, and Ira posted like his keep it merch, and I was like, why don't we do Last Culture Merge? Like I want Lost Culture merge,

Like there's so much good merch we could do. We've we we had a merch period. There's still some items that you can buy off of Tea public We are looking for a new platform. Let's just we're looking for a new vendor. Readers formerly publicist. Would you buy Last Culture Merch? I mean we know the answer is yes, I would love. Everyone's very enthusiastic and that's I was

thinking the other day. I was like, God, I'm so lucky, grateful, thankful for I'm Actually I'm absolutely emotional most of the time when I think, oh my god, the readers are the most special people. The readers have given me everything. Do you think i'd be selling out these shows? There's no way. I know they're all readers. I'm talking about them like I'm trying to be careful about not making them sound like fucking like pop star stands. That's no.

They know who they are. First of all, we just fired them, so I have to be nice to them. We have to be nice to them. They've all fed, they lost their jobs. Now, okay, so before we start crying because of the readers, we have talked about selling Sunset and then we have this is a long episode, and that's fine selling Sunset. I haven't evenished. I will say, what are your basic general reactions? Because I have a few, you know, Okay, this is I at a state of

half sleep, have this realization. It's not a realization, but like I think everyone knows at this point that it's like the most mindless show that's ever been made. But I really do think like there's something pretty amazing about like Adam de Velo between like the Hills and Selling Sunset, Like it feels like they're speaking a different language. Does that make sense? Like they're they're they're they're talking, they're using a different vocabulary. I think I think they must all.

I think when you're on the show, the producers hand you a sheet of paper and on that paper it says one hundred words total, and they tell the producers say, you can only whatever comes out of your mouth has to be from this list of one hundred words. You cannot say anything besides these words. That actually is a and that is my realization with And I love that

one of those words is escrow. You know what I mean, Escrow conceded, Like when Emma said, like when Emma, Emma just celebrated in her chair and by lifting up her waif thin arms and she goes, well I'm in escrow, and they were like escrow and they were just screaming the word escrow. And I was like, wow, I'm obsessed with each and every one of these young women. Young women. Um. I think I think Vanessa and Emma are great additions. As Emma. I can't tell if I'm on her side

or not. She's the smallest face in the world. She has the smallest, the tiniest chin. I was just gonna say she has a tiny little head. She's like in the best way. She's like that alien and men in black with the tiny head, but a gorgeous version of gorgeous version who runs a vegan food company, which we stand weighs seventy six pounds. I do love that she like runs like a vegan company, and yet she still takes private jets. It's like, okay, well think that they

cancel that beautifully. I love that she should marry Leonardo DiCaprio. They're all made for each other. They love her. Vanessa is iconic. Loved her sob story in the beginning that her sister god and then she became a real estate agent because of her, and now she's sort of like little Christine. She's a villain at least in at least in the part that we're on. Okay, should we play

this game now that now that we have it? Because you and I checked in earlier in the week when Selling Sunset Season four was about to drop, and you were like are you You were like you said I was a Cruschelle, which I took offense to. Now, I didn't say you were Cristelle. I said I was. I said that you were married. I'm I also, I'm sorry I took offense to you calling me Mary. And here's what I'll say. The more I watched it, I was like, he is not married, because let me tell you who's

lost it Mary. If you watch this, if you watch season one to season four, it is a case study in in reality television breaking someone Mary is Mary is going crazy being on this show. And the first season she she was kind of the most likable person. She was the most grounded, and you can that's the one. I mean, I'm sorry, I yeah, just like just someone that like the audience surrogate, like, oh, like this is the person who like is most like me sitting at home.

Her breakdown at the dog party was truly iconic. I mean, the dog's birthday party and she goes, you know, Jason, we spent a lot of money on this. This is our friends and our dogs, and it's our dog's birthday. And she came in and she's gonna start drama at the dog's birthday. And I was just like, this is absolutely unhinged, all because Christine came to the dogs. Every time Christine enters a room, I laugh and applaud. Okay, I'm on episode six and at least five different times

this has happened. Christine and may are together, Maya goes wow, like I believe you just had a babe had a baby that a week. I can't have the baby like that four different times, like like like go back and like watch it, like like so many repetitive I'm telling you. They were given a list of words and they could only say things from this list. The least thing is

doing great impressions her Instagram, Maya is iconic. Christie her tweeted out the other day where she was like, Maya is the best character because she's she gets to sit there and just comments on all the drama and have nothing go on in her life and just basically say wow and it it is so funny. Also, this is gonna sound crazy, but let me know if you agree. Okay, when Davina came back, I actually was obsessed. I missed Davina. I mean, she's clearly like an integral part of the show.

I just think she's so funny. She's just so fun me in like the most unintentional ways, Like she just what a fucking what a buffoon? I love her, I love like what she brings to the show. I just think, like, you can't take her seriously. You can't take most of these people seriously, including bretton Jason. Oh please, I did not know that Jason and Krishell were full on dating. Now what you didn't know this? Okay, So this rocked

my world. So season five is basically going to be about how Crishell and Jason Oppenheim are now like in a serious romantic relationship. And that'll be like the second or third one he's dated in the office, because obviously he was with Mary. They owned that dog together, that the birthday party. Every time I say these words, I'm like, I can't believe it. I just watched the episode where Krishell and Simulo are like about to fuck, which he did look really hot. Oh yeah, of course he's a

very attractive person. I just like, so, I don't know what they keep cutting to Jason. Now watch watch they keep cutting to Jason, who like notices that you're right, they do keep cutting to Jason. That's so funny. So they're building it into the narrative because eventually they get together. Christl Stouse every time she walks she she opens double doors and walks out to a balcony and smiles at the sun. I'm like, you are the protagonists, aren't you?

Snow white? Rachel Zegler move over. I actually I couldn't stand Rachelle before this season. I'm like, okay, cool, Like, I'm kind of with you. I like that she's standing up for herself. When they were like, okay, guys, group meetings, she'll be hired back to Vina, she was like, no, I don't think so. She was really rude to me, and I don't fucking like it. And she said when she said like I don't, I don't fuck I fucking think so. I fucking don't agree. I was like, come on,

christ I actually love that. And actually, what a what a perfect play on her part to be like, Okay, I've been a little too guileless on this show. Let me actually like grow a spine. And like when Davina apologizes to her, oh I didn't see that yet. I'm so excited. Becau said she didn't want their apology right. It's a great moment for Chrish like she handles it perfectly. I'm really proud of her. I'm really excited. Anyway, It's the dumbest show ever made, but we love it. Christine

is television, of course. But she was on the cover of some magazine I forget which, but they called her reality TVs Queen of Camp. Let's cut it out. Let's stop throwing that word around again. It feels like it's twenty nine mac Gala all over again. She's not a camp. She's not camp. Let's like, like, I don't know, does poor Susan sant have to like come back from the dead to like happing to you guys what this is.

Poor Susan Sons might have to come back from the dead and genuinely school of the Girls because Christine is not a camp. Christine is and it's it's like, I don't know, it's it's not because it's not bad like Christine is. It's just like poor taste, like she's obviously like she has like good taste and things. She looks like a cartoon, like a fantasy of femininity. I'm thinking, really hard is the chair person is the little chair pers campum No? Because like, okay, my cliffs notes distillation

of the definition. I'm getting this around. People will take issue with this, I'm sure, but it's like it's it's I'm celebrating bad taste. It's like celebrating bad taste as if it was something in good taste. Essentially, Yeah, like the chairpersonal chairperson, it's not it's it's catch. It's not camp. It's like, oh was in this ironic Like camp is

not supposed to know its own irony. That's why like Mommy Dearist is camp because like everyone on that movie thought they were making the best biopic of all time, which is also MyH House of Gucci is not camp exactly, and so that's what it is. Like, it's like it's something that's in bad taste either being perceived as something in good like it's something like that takes itself seriously. Basically. That's another like bastardization of the definition. That's definitely morphed

over time. And I think a lot of people have different definitions. But if you're using that definition, then you cannot call Christine and Quinn camp because I feel that she actually is in one control of what she's doing and when she comes in and sits down with Emma and she goes, I just really wanted to talk, and he proposed to me. He did. He proposed to me, actually, And like she's funking with these girls, and like when Mary has a meltdown and Christine's like, why is she upset?

Like she knows exactly why she's upset when she comes in with her you know, twenty nine inch hair, Like she is in complete control. And I actually believe that she's a cool person. I'm sure she's like, oh, I think she is like the most aspirational person on the show, despite being like so out of touch and her wealth or whatever. It's like you want to be you want to be like her in a way, right, like you. I don't want to be like Krishell or Mary or

anybody else. Yeah, I don't want to certainly want to be spinning my wheels that hard. Also, some of the other girls are falling off from me, like I heard. I know, Heather gets up, gets b v or in the narrative as it goes, but I'm losing Heather a little bit. Heather has a big moment at the end of the season, like the finale is like her and Terek Okay, need that. Um, but and so does she. But um, like I love Heather by the way, Oh, I feel I identified with other playmate legend love she

was a playmate. Yeah, were you to say? I was just just gonna say, like, um, you know, Christine Quinn is just completely in control of what she's doing. And I believe that she's cool. And I believe that if these other girls actually don't like her, they're not playing the game as well as her. And here's what I'll say. I'm really excited for Selling Tampa. Oh right, yeah, that'll be fun. Oh I got the cast. The cast looks

very cool. I mean it's gonna be very cool. And also like people are like l O L Tampa, but like you have to remember, like I mean that is that is also a competitive real estate market, like like you know, you might turn your nose up because like you think of certain things, but like this actually is gonna be very cool. Basically for everyone that doesn't know, there's a Selling Sunset spinoff called Selling Tampa, which is all black women in Tampa. They they're at the same

real estate firm. And I actually watched a um it is is it is it opentime? It's not, but but it's like it's like speaking to and they do the same thing, but it's a a totally different vibe. And I'm really excited for it. I think it comes out in December, mid December. Can't wait, very excited for that. Wait before we before we go to I don't think so, honey, we have to s Oh my god. I mean I told you this was crazy amazing top to bottom, like

so well edited. I want to say, like just I mean, the threads all sort of are so tied together in the end in the best way, tied up, tied together whatever, and like I told you over text today, like I think it's like two episode I caught up on the plane home from Thanksgiving, like the last three episodes, I'm like, wow, this is when I realized this is a great season. And don't I don't know my Survivor seasons too well, but I feel like this is one of my more

favorite ones. This is an amazing season. And I think that this episode that just happened last week and there's obviously a new one tonight. It was the episode where

spoiler alert, spoiler spoiler spoiler fashion, yeah Shan gets eliminated. Yeah, um and she basically was like the main character I believe, along with Ricard two in the season, and really it came down to Ricard deciding to get Shan out even though um they have been each other's number one's like, there's this narrative in the beginning of the episode that actually, it can't really be the two of them at the

top two because they're both too good. So there is this interesting chess game being played between them that unfortunately Shan stops playing and Ricard never stops playing. And the moment the whole season changed was Ricard saying, I thing, today is the day that I send like that, we send Shan home, like he decided, like he had to decide that. And I want to give credit to Erica for figuring out the plan. Erica is aleep, but it was, but Erica is the mastermind behind me. It's it's Ricardo,

it's Ricard's idea. But Erica is the one who's like, here's how we're gonna do with three three Shand votes, three Leono votes, then it goes to a tiebreaker and uh, if Shann plays her idol, then it's Leona who goes home. If she doesn't, then Shannon goes home like that is like that was all Erica. She's a great player. I think that she we have not given her enough credit. I think she might be going home soon because I

think she has a huge target on her back. But people are on her, and then I think they are gonna be onto Ricard. Now this is the thing. There's there's a there's a vacuum of power in a way, like like the tribe is sort of as splintered as as it's ever been now without Shan, without the person who is like arranging the things. Now you have like the any and Deshaun alliance being the only like real

like two hander though, what's that's left? Right? And I think that something that is going to hurt them is the fact that Leona is now off board, you know what I mean? Like so I think she she could she she either could make something happen or she'll be next. I don't know. I wonder how much further Heather could go, just because narratively she hasn't been on the show that much. I'm wondering what that means for her. Um. I wonder

if she'll figure into the narrative starting now. I just know that's not really how these television seasons are built. I feel it's regards to lose or Zanders to lose, and I find myself rooting for DeShawn because of the way, well, the way the narrative is pulling out. Like I will say, I actually shed tears many different times of this episode.

I was crying at the end. I was crying when Deshan got emotional during his confessional about it being such a hard year for black people and that they wanted to do a quote un it for the culture and the four of them it's together to the end. I was trying if the sacrifices were made when they realized that was probably not possible. I was crying when Leanna said that meant more to her than the game because

they connected over their hood and their blackness. On the hill, I was like, this is classic Survivor because it's amazing gameplay, but you care about the characters and it's emotional storytelling, but it's also really good gameplay. And I think ultimately what's happening is these it's at the point in the season where the contestants are getting played by their own emotions and a lot the ones that are forgetting to keep playing and the ones that are making emotional concessions

are losing. And that I think made an emotional concession. I think that if she were smart, she could have gotten out of that. I mean, anytime you go home with an idol in your pocket, you're not thinking. She said in her like her last confession, when she after she got voted out, she was like, I had an idol. Yep, like she was. You could tell she was the worst crushed by that. Oh my god, because it's so hard to get one, and then you leave with an idol.

But the thing too is just like the way it's going. And this is where I get a little will woo again. But this is season forty one, and I do think like that. I think it's a reset. But so season

forty was Winners at War. If you call all the way back to season one, we had a queer man named Richard and where when the first and now we are going to have a queer man named Ricard when because Ricard Regard is the quarification of the name Richard, and Richard has an extra letter H and H in lowercase is upside down four and four if you take away four from forty one is one Swift numerology of it all is you're very Taylor Taylor, very tailor sorry

Taylor Swift energy. This is very Taylor Swift and I just feel like executive producer this season. She will reveal herself. She will reveal her She will reveal to us that her alias in television is Mark Burnett. That which that which, Oh my god, that's the type of thing that makes me say that which. Oh my god, she's such a I had not thought about that, So you said that, Oh my god, Taylors to blame for Trump. Taylor Taylor, Taylor has the piss tapes. She has the piss tapes.

I will say, she has the N word tape. That's what she has. She has all. He has all the tapes, Taylor. And if she doesn't have it, her dad has it. Okay, I know her dad. I know Mr Swift has the tapes has Let's god, he's also very good active. I want to sort of I want to touch his body and so it feels like, oh, that's really good. He was able to stand on that narrow beam and hold that ball up in that saucer Challenge Challenge Beautiful Eyes

that's another thing I'll miss about Shannons. I loved watching her. You know what I mean. A lot of hot, truly hot people this season. Shanon telegenic, telegenic, Danny Rickard, Xander hotties, hottie season absolutely, I mean everyone's very telegenic in the way where I'm like, pop off. Also, I have to tell you, and I have to tell all the readers.

I know, like whatever Australian Survivor season four. People have been in my dams being like, you have to have to have really you have to watch Australian season four. It's a sit, it's cuckoo bananas long, but it is so gratifying. I'm talking, you get in my damns about it, readers. I'm ready to engage about Australia. So, however, season four, not five. Season four, Season four, Um, there's one more thing I wanted to say about Survive before we move on.

I don't think so, honey, but it is. It's not coming to me. I think, oh okay, because I think we got the preview for the new st episode for the one the week of the twenty nine of November, where there's another twist that gets introduced. But I was like, I think the reason why it's been great the last few episodes because they have they introduced all the twists early on, and then they just let the rest of the season play out the way it is supposed to do.

I guess, but I don't need many more twists, but I think I think we are going to get more because Jeff had that advantage like on the bench that no one found, and then like there's gonna be another like thing that he throws in, and I'm kind of nervous about with that. It's gonna be. My thing with the twist is like I always feel like with Survivor, you have to play every twist as if it's terrain. Like I feel like in Survivor, you know there's gonna be twists, and if the show throws into twist like

that's just terrain, you have to play like. I don't ever think like, oh, they shouldn't have done that. A couple of times I've liked them less than other times. Every twist, every idol, every advantage, every setback, every tribe switch, like you have to play that like it's terrain. You know you're entering into a game where these types of things happen. So you can't be like, oh, well fuck that, blah blah blah and like kick your kick your toes in the sand. Once they happen, like you have to

play them as terrain. And if you are the type of person that's going to win or destined to win, you'll win no matter what the situation is. Go off off. You've been going off all episode. And I have to say, I really really am in awe, mama. This is when we do culture catch up because sometimes we have to get together and get into it. Can I just say you can always say I think the dynamic for almost all the culture catchups. And I don't say this as a way of like putting myself down truly. I think

I'm just I'm learning from you. I learned, so I'm in classes in session, I'm learning hold on, And I can I just say I think some people have been like reaching out to be like you sound like you're really putting yourself down and you're not. You're questioning what you say before it comes out of your mouth on the podcasts, and I just want to say, but I'm like, no, this is just like the way my brain works. But you've always been like that what putting myself down? And

I'm not putting yourself down. You always check in with yourself before you say things like it's it's a part of your process. It's always you always say something beautiful. No, I believe me, my sense of self my self worth is like at an all time high. That's not what this is. I had some blow moments over the summer, as it is documented on this podcast, But overall, I'm I'm in a great place, a lot of a lot of a lot of good things going on that makes

me feel very fulfilled and I'm lucky. And it's not whenever I like I'm kind of fortunatewardly, yeah, whenever, I'm like figuring it out as I don't think I'm that well spoken of a person as people would like to think I am. And so I'm just I'm figuring out what I'm saying as I say it, which I think is okay, everybody calmed down. You have a verbal process, which is you, and I mean I'd rather be sometimes I'd rather be like you than me, who is like, let me come in strong and say this thing, and

then I end up saying symposium instead of compendium. You know what, I mean that that I end up calling it a Shipparelli dress and not a Scaparelli dress. You know what I mean. It just happens. It's fine, everybody. This is I think this is coming from the same place as when we tell you we don't know anything. We don't know how to say words, and we don't know my words. I don't know my heart, but do you know my heart? And I can I say I'm moving closer to that truth every day. I don't know

my words, but I do know my heart. I don't know to hear you say that roll reversal literally, sister, Like, can I say something period? Period one hundred? I'm sorry period period. Do you believe that it's time or I don't think so, honey. I do believe that it's time for I don't think so. Well. We really got through so much, coach. I know. I think this is one of our best culture catch ups. Can I just say, and here's the deal. People are going to think that

I forgot something, but it's part of I don't think so, honey. Okay, I can't think of anything you might have forgotten. Do you have your phone this time? Yes? Okay, because I've been self timing the last couple of weeks and it's felt wrong and I apologize about and it will never happen again. I left my phone. Okay, this are you ready? Okay, I'm happy he pressed against his little bit. It's okay, you didn't do anything. Well, I'm sorry that it literally

I did. It's okay, fine, drink some tea after this. Okay, this is Matt Rodgers. I don't think so many time starts now. I don't think so, honey, that the way The Morning Show season two ended is Jennifer Addiston turned into Joe Rogan. Unfortunately, the way that this is the second season of The Morning Show ends as we watched Jennifer Addiston cough, sputter, cry, and sweat for roughly five minutes before she basically gets better by becoming Joe Rogan

on a streaming service. This is what happens in the show. I have watched this season all along. And here's the thing. Maybe I do think so, honey, because I don't know what the heightened could have been beyond that to see Jennifer Aniston tell her streaming viewers that despite the fact that she is problematic to the m degree, they can either get on the Alex Leevy train or get the funk off and basically pop off Joe Rogan status. I don't know. I guess I don't think so, honey, the

third great Emmy's for all the third greatest. I have to say. They went off The Morning Show season two, and that's one minute chin to say. I think I know the reason why when you texted me that that Jennifer Aniston's character of the Alex Levy becomes Joe Rogan at the end the season to finale, I did not like that. It didn't hit me the same way as when you would describe to me a true third grader plot, because this doesn't feel third grade. You know what it was?

The third graders don't know who Joe Rogan is. The third grader here they do. That's how famous Joe Rogan is. Joe Rogan is so huge and podcast and this is where we th grader listens to the Spotify originals. Every third grader has a Spotify account and they can listen to Joe Rogan's podcast on Spotify. Sorry, we were gonna say, you forget about the vast medium that is podcasting. You don't know the power that we hold having this podcast.

Joe Rogan has the power of about one million lost culturist. Okay, he last culturist. Joe Rogan harnesses the power of one million lost culturist. I to basically be able to control the minds of even the third graders who turned America's Sweetheart Jennifer Aniston into Joe Rogan because this show is so obsessed with cancel culture, and I have to confirm that. In the post credits, like episode breakdown, Reese weather Spoon says as herself in discussing the season, She goes, and

I love Reese, She's my favorite. I think that in a way, all the characters get canceled, canceled by their jobs, canceled by you know, the social media, canceled by life like and I'm just like, oh my god, the show is so third graders with d NC parents. I can't even get over. Also, what else happens, oh, Reese the Spoon, who plays one of the most famous women in America. Bradley Jackson morning show co host walks down the street with flyers in her hand, missing persons for her brother,

and it's like, have you seen my brother? Have you seen my brother like he's a dog. So that ultimately Billy Crude up at the end of it says I love you, and remember she lesbian now, but he's like, I love you and this is what people say, right, I love you. And it's like he's a robot saying I love him for the first time. That was the third grade moment. But I've never seen camp like watching and I do use it, and it is this is no morning show, is we can say, according to Matt

Rogers and Boon Yang is camp camp. We all know this. She was. She truly almost died of COVID and then Mark Duplas comes over lies to her that he has COVID two you find out he doesn't, So basically he's just exposing himself so he can be with her, and she gets a streaming service ub A Plus. She gets a show on the streaming service, and she pops off and is truly firing off like Joe Rogan being like, they fucking care if you like me at all? I

am who I am? You fucking pieces of ship watching this dead on my train or get the funk off? So this is she said sta It was the last words of the episode. Oh my God, like every email from April that's stay safe and stay saying that's so stupid, but this is my thing. None of that sounds like third grader you know who. It sounds like college. No,

that teacher, it sounds like the teacher. I think the teacher took a pass at the finale because she was like, you know what, I want to put my own little impromater on this, and she she wrote that ending that's my theory. I know this is your theory, and I don't want to mess with your theory because it's the funniest.

It's truly one of the funniest bits of comedy from I can say that as as someone who's receiving this comedy from you, like this whole bit, the whole thing show was written by a class room of third graders is your theory. I just think my contribution is that for the finale, because it does stand out a little bit to me. I thought about that. It breaks the pattern a little bit of the morning show, you know what.

It was, so another part of the the sort of like I guess we're gonna call it like the the Greater World of the third grades. Just remember I said the teachers believe in the room to go get drunk, right, And so she came back at the end of the week and said she's been through a ender, and she said, let me at this fucking show. Alright there, so this show, hold on a second, there's my fucking okay, yeah, fuck you. She's sweating dead, stay safe and us I forgot about

the storyline. And he says, I love you to her. Yeah, that right back to her. If you like me, fuck you fuck off. Telling the streaming service Okay, he's got going to great. Okay, send She had send a direct line Tim Cook and then Tim tells everybody over an Apple TV. Anyways, that's the story of That's the glory of Morning Show Season two. Truly a standing ovation. Okay, are you ready for your I don't think so, honey.

I have one. It's a little it's a little self indulgent, not that most of mine aren't, but this is something that's specific to me. But it has to do with the culture. And I think I have to say this. We're gonna we're gonna get into it, and a decidedly bow and Yang. I don't think so, honey, this is Bowen yangs I don't think so, honey, and his time

starts now. I don't think so, honey, Me being fan cast as Box in the Wicked movie, because this is something that you know will never happen, and I didn't think about before. But now that you're all telling me that I should play Box, I'm like, I guess I want to play back. But guess what, may I remind you it will never happen, and so you're setting me up for emotional despair that I can't be a part of this wonderful project starting to actors who I adore,

directed by a director who ire. I can't be involved in this magical? Do you know how iconic it would be if I got to play the tin man? Bitch? You don't, because I'm just a little piece of chattel to you, and you can list me next to fucking oh Audrey McDonald is not a morrible don't do that to me. I'm too fragile for that. I am not in a place in my career where you can do that yet, because I still think of these movies like

you do, I'm fan casting along with you. For me to be fan cast it feels wrong and cruel, and you must stop please, And that's one minute. So here's the deal. I think that if you wanted the audition, all you'd have to do was text. I think you think you should just contact him. But here's the thing. Then you'd have to be that person who likes did that. Then I gotta be like, I gotta go on the fucking talk shows and me like, yeah, I texted him. You know, like, no, I have no No, you can't

be thirsty. You can't be like debor messing with Lucy. You know what I mean. You don't want to end up a fate worse than death in the Lucy narrative. Yeah. See, like, I think you'd be fabulous. But I also think they might be trying to cast a little person. I think they should cast all the munchkins as little people. I think that Also, here's another thing. What are y'all? What are y'all trying to say that I can't fuck because guess what bag and ninessa rose I want without I

can actually bag the Glinda's. I don't need to funcknessa because I can go into a bar and walk up to the Glinda of the room and say, hey, you me my place. Let's go I have only home essentials in my room. You want to know, you want to know why Pete and Arianna broke up Bowen alright on a grand day. Spread it, spread it around. What broke them up? Bowen? It was Bowen. She said, no, I want that faggot. Arianna said, I want that baggett. I

wanna I wanna let that faggot. I want to hear that faggot makes noise and she can say fag fag is it's it's it's actually a real culture. Number one hundred, Ariana ken and Has. I support your casting. But here's the thing. If you were in the Wicked movie, then you have to be in it, and like you really can't enjoy I know, Yeah, you're right, there's something too, there's something to just being able to like, okay, get this. So I'm seeing Fire Island tomorrow, I know, Oh my god.

And so I don't know if this is saying too much, but like very very very small handful of people have seen the movie directors director's cut and apparently it's like really good, and so Joe Joel says, do you want to come see it? And I'm like panicking. I can't believe I'm about to go watch a movie with us in it, Like I'm like, oh my god, oh it'll feel crazy. I'm sure, are you worried that you're not going to be able to like line up your consumption

of the movie along with everyone else? Well, I asked Joel about that. I'm like, how long did it take you to settle into watching it? And he was like, pretty much minutes into the movie. I settled into it, like he's well, he said, he said a specific part, but I was like, okay, maybe like as it goes

like I'll get into it. But I have a feeling like my experience is gonna I'm gonna watch it the whole first time through and like have my shoulders up here, and then I'll be able to watch it again and again after that because I'll finally be able to like stop seeing myself in it and also stop seeing like everything we know. I just want to try to go in as best as I can and just watch it as a movie and enjoy it, because I know I

would and will. But that's the thing about being in this type of stuff, was like I would love to be able to enjoy it that I can't get out of my mind, like that's me up there, like, but you know, you and Joel are very similar in this way where I think he might have gone into his viewing of it with the same feeling and then he ended up being I think, very enthusiastic about it. He was, which is a great signs. No, of course it's the

best time because Joel like has very good standards and taste. Anyway, I was texting with Andrew on the director. We love him so much he I was. We were just texting each other catching up. I was like, oh my god, congrats, like it's so it's this is so cool, like I heard the screening went great, and then he was like, okay, and we'll do in New York screening soon and it'll be wonderful. And then over Thanksgiving I texted him like, okay, but when do you think of New York screening will

happen now? And then he was like, well, do you want to watch it? He was like, do you want to watch it at the premiere or do you want to watch it with like a small cast and crew group in New York like when we do it at some time. See, that's another thing I'm thinking about is

maybe I shouldn't watch him tomorrow. No, I think you should because here's my thing, I told Andrew is like the idea of watching myself for the first time in this with a bunch of other strangers terrifies me because I need to have a sense of like what I think, how I think I did in the movie that is not that informed by what other people think just yet. Yeah okay, Well also then again, Bone, it's not really for I know, I know, I know, but just for

my own like vanity, like that's my thing. And then Andrew was like, what do you mean, Like that's your like your job every week is too Like yes, I told him. I was like, no, it's completely different because I have the luxury of getting immediate feedback on how I'm doing in a performance in front of strangers and knowing whether or not I had a good I did

a good job. This is something totally foreign to me, where it's something I did like in the summer, and it won't be like received by many people until like a year a year later, Like that is so conceptually crazy to me. Well, I mean, I think Joel is excited about me watching it, So I'm going to go over and see it. So um. And you know, I did ask him any specific questions about certain things and he's been very reassuring. So um, I love that. Anyways,

but I'm really excited. I can't believe It's like I'm gonna be a thing. Like I'm excited. I'm so proud of Joel and Andrew, Like just what a what a huge deal. Anyway, much more to come on that one. And this was truly a culture catch up. I mean maybe our best one, our most expensive one. We covered a lot. We got into it. Whenever we at the end of an episode say this is our best one,

that's when I say hundred period period. Maybe it's hundred periods, hundred period the title I think we only said what I forgot it spec, so we said, Lady Gaga, is spec specnomenalenal. Now I think it's hundred period, hundred period period period, so he numeral one zero zero period. You want to do numerals, can you tell me right here

what you wanted, how you wanted to show up. I think it should be the word hundred period period as in the punctuation mark spain and then period period period, period, unless you want to do hundred period as in the punctuation period exclamation point, yeah, hundred period periods it with Matt and Bowen of course to note that it's a culture catch up and I just the dolls well phenomenal, phenomenal, specnomenal, specomenalo s pecnomenal, did not did not end up winning

title of app status, but the so highlights Lady Gaga is spectomenal and house of Gucci. But we don't like the movie. Cultural Awards are canceled and we wish Wendy Williams the best. I'm really sad that the awards are are canceled, but we had to do. It would have been import taste to have kept them going given the

state of Wendy Williams. Right, the last cultures Cultural Awards, as an idea were was a beautiful moment in time that was a byproduct of our insanity during the filming of the movie Fire Island, and it will stand the test of time. But if you read the hundred period to award the nominees now only months later makes no sense. To it no longer makes sense, and we wish might be the best Hi you shot at Ull