"Horny For A Bad Situation" (w/ Bianca Del Rio)

T shirt and and and that's it. I don't know what your final list. It's fine. Can you just take the compliment? Wow? I actually won't take the compliment because I'm suspicious that you're only complimenting me in the we sort of conjugation of this, because you want to compliment yourself and say that you look at what you do. I just don't need to examine that. That's a whole therapy that I'm not qualified to go into. You know, I did look at the therapists this week. You'd be

proud of me. Are you ready to make the jump from from from therapizing myself to having someone with a degree to it. Yes, it's time. Now what are you looking into? You want to go? You're gonna go in person again? You want to well, I'm just want I just want an in person session, you know what I mean? Like, like, for example, are you caught up on maravist Town. I haven't.

I still have not seen an episode, and I'm so I know I'm really the well the way you were able to perform that stunning sketch written by Sudie Green on this that week's episode of SNL about that was sort of based in the world of Marimiest Town, wouldn't we say? It was as if you've seen every episode. I mean, you were so stunning. That delC accent you did that was so good dal Co, Dalco, Pittsburgh Delco.

I gotta go home and make dinner for my two daughters and son, and I'm picking up the Hagie from Walwa and you gotta get to coffe from Wawa for my daughters. From my daughters. My daughters they like the coffee, the coffee and the Hagie from the like from Wawa. Guess what I saw Hunter Biden at the at the at the local popular Bobby. I don't even do they have hobby lobby in Pennsylvania or Delaware. No, I don't

know what they have outside of wah Wah. I feel like it's it's been such a husband has really taken the world stage, hasn't it. It really has stormed the ball WAW. I just want to make sure that people understand that Wabba is not just some like location punchline. It is the way of life. It is a respectable

establishment that actually makes great food. I mean, we need more, I think, and there's a hole in the market for for places like wah Wah across the country, like between a seven eleven and like you know, let's say uh right, so it's sort of meeting in the middle there. It's what Andrew Yang would call bodega, you know what I mean, what the absolute fool would call a bodega. That's that's good anyway. So I'm gonna flow ay from that one, so you don't have to weigh in because that'd be

bad for you. But um, let's just talk for a second. I want to tell you I TV is being my therapy right now between Marave's Town and Girls five EVA and The Circle and talk about let's wrap up the circle. Wow, what a moment, What a moment. Our Winner one, Our Winner one de Lisa, she took the crown best catfish in the damn business. Found out today she found out she was pregnant while she was in the circle. Oh my god. And she still played that game. Imagine that.

Imagine that for a second. Imagine that. You got the fact that you're pregnant sitting right here. Yeah, and you got the game sort of swirling around, you know what I mean. She's and then she's still catfishing as a man, still convincingly catfishing as a man. You know what I mean. There's no such thing as gender. Name Name another legend, That's what I'm gonna say. Name another legend besides Lisa. You can't. I'm waiting for hours. No one can. Ron's

back house back. I'm thrilled we have Evany k. Williams talking in her first scene, talking about at how should takes ships on dates. I'm in. I'm not sold on ebony just yet. I don't know why. That's why. There's no reason, is your bitch? Maybe I need to research more before I see I decided not to research, mama. Let's research. I mean, but she's she's a Fox News gall though, No, Queen, I'm sure she's made appearances on Fox News. That doesn't First of all, just because you

go on Fox News doesn't make you I understand. She's not personded on growd Up by any means. I just think there I am getting a little bit of like, I don't know what the politics are there, But why do I care? I should actually not? It doesn't matter well because they're mostly bad on Ronny. All of the New York Housewives are are are beyond beyond help at this point politically, But why should I care? As a viewer?

They have to be beyond help though, because that's what makes them so watchable, the fact that they are so beyond help as a group. We love that. I hold no one to any standard when it comes to their their politics, especially when they're on television. But I just I need to know more about Ebony. I think I'm gonna like her. Buy episode three. I'm sure I like her. She sold me, although you know it doesn't take much. She really she kind of came in there real hot

and I liked it. What do we think of Leah's conversion to Judaism? I think I don't know. We'll we'll have to check back in on that one. She's cook to me, she's cock to me. She's to me now to convert to judaism as a response to your ass

to your sobriety, you know, problems is suspect. It feels like she might need to join me and logging onto you know, therapy dot com or whatever the fun therapy dot com, therapy dot com where the therapy bizarre sort of just for therapy dot com to think about as a jingle, here's someone we have someone with us this week who I mean has has has really therapized the

community for for years. At this point, when you say I mean, I would say that I became better as a result of the therapy that was getting to know our guests through her performances and you know, just appearances throughout time. Can I tell you I actually guest does not know this. I recently went to Drag and drive, Oh my god, and the guest was the host in l amazing and it was a fucking blast. It was so fun to see live drag again. You don't realize how much she missed it until and then you and

I did. You and I go to um the season's seven finale party in New York, where our guests hosted the event. Yes we did, Okay, Yes, and so fucking Violet to her aerial silks right in front of us. And it was the same day that Caitlyn Jenner came out with her cover right, and it was it was June of I don't know, I wasn't only think I wasn't thinking of Caitlyn Jenner that day. I was. I was thinking Caitlyn Jenner that day and our end it

was truly a moment. And then to be able to go to the show and then how and then here our guests take on it, which I think was truly like the best take. She was like, she's still a shitty person. Was still the gist of what our guest

was saying. She's remained a shitty person to this day and now she might be become the shitty governor of California, which I'd like to revisit my I don't think so, honey for my leave two weeks ago and say no, absolutely fucking not, absolutely, we're gonna need another We're gonna need Insurrection part two if she takes the fucking house I'm gonna be there. I'm taking it out. You're gonna be there, queen. And let's just say that was just for for the for the truly stupid out there. This

queen was the winner of Drag Race Seasan six. A stand up comedian legend Joan Rivers, gave her blessing. I mean from the get go, and then I'm sure we're going to hear about Joan and the culture. And I had so much fun. I had such a great time acting alongside her. And this upcoming Audible original Hot White Heist coming out in June. Do you perform an act? I'm performing? What are you? You're here and there? You know? Okay, okay,

be performing a little bit now, you know? Um. But now they host the podcast, the Bianca del Rio Podcast, which is probably the name of the year. I mean to it, let's you know exactly what you're going to get. You know what you're getting. Well, she's a legend and weighted, she's here, a legend. You can't. I'm waiting. I'm waiting everyone. Welcome to you. Two are fools. I am caculate flaw and we learned from the best. What are you doing?

I'm doing well, but you know, I recently have this whole conversation about the word legend, and it's because of this whole drag Race world franchises and everybody's called the legend, and I'm like, they've done nothing. If you haven't done

a fucking thing, come a black legend legend. You know what it was because I had just watched that Tina Turner documentary and I went to where and I was like, this is amazing, and I was ready to type, you know, she's a legend, but I'm like, that works not even good enough anymore because I passed around to these two bits second rate drag queens from a fucking reality show, and You're like, you know, she she deserves this fucking word. Share is a legend. Madonna is a legend. Barber not

cunt that did drag? Right, Yeah, I know That's where I'm at. And then it's like it's like you can't even bump it down to icon because that one's been that one's been over used. You do you do you accept the title when we know on you because I'll look at it. No, No, No, I think I think that's just it's I'm old. Yeah, that I've been around. But you know, in in gay life, it's like I'm just grateful to get to work, you know, that's that's whole,

my whole thing. So in the end, it's like, no, you're not at that status yet, No, no, no, no, I mean you are the best in the biz. I was saying, like, we went to the Dragon Driver and I was a little unclear on who was performing. It was like, I got tickets and I went. I went, and I was like so excited it was you. I was like, oh my god, I feel safe. Well, I was excited to get out of my house. So I

don't normally do the foss event shows. I used to work with Brandon Boss who handles all that years ago, and then he was doing driving drag and he said he's got his group of girls that he always uses, and he's like, you know, we've been using the same girls. Would you mind coming in for a couple of dates? And I was like, I need to get out of my house. Sure, why not? So I went and it was weird because you know, I was excited to go out to do something. I wasn't so excited to be

around other drag queens. But when you go It's like I forgot that I'm going to be in a parking lot most of the city's and people are going to be in vehicles, and I'm just standing on this little platform stage that was built by Lesbian and I'm thinking to myself, last year I was in Carnegie Hall. This is where I am napped. This is what I is. I'm done bit. Yeah, yard gigs, fucking yard gigs, That's what I was doing. But it was good. I mean, it was fun to get to do it. It It was

fun to get out again. Weird having cars and stuff, but you know, you're just it's like anal you just adjust once you realize it could be way worse. Trust me, you should have seen some of those counts I was with backstage. Trust me, I'm like, I'm good. I'm good. I'm good. Life is good. That was a good group, though, I'm you know who was there there? Well, I was gonna say, you know who was fucking incredible? Plastic. That's amazing.

Plastic is like she's also stunning, Yes she is, and she's rotted like she's got a great sense of humor, like I didn't expect because I didn't know her before. So I saw her picture, you know, through Instagram and everything, and everybody assumes since we all did drag Race, that

we all know each other. So I'm looking at her pictures going I don't like her, and then I meet her and we're cackling, having a good time, And because she is that stunning in person, I just decided to call her my twin, just because there's nothing better than when somebody's pretty to have somebody ugly go hey twin. That's what I was doing the whole time with her, much to her dismay, but yeah, she's beautiful in person. Such a good time now me, Smalls's fun. I had

a great till um. Yeah, it was fun just to get back out there again, you know. Yeah, yeah that was really good. Asia was so good. I will say Cameron Michaels came out first and was in like she Hulk makeup, and I was like, we know who the she was. I was like, you could tell from the this, yeah that there was some for the readers at home who can't see me, I'm sort of you know, like earthquake back and forth, like you know, the Cameron Michaels. I always said from my from my SNL screen test,

I was gonna do Cameron Michaels. And that's why that put me honest, because they didn't know camera my Lauren was like, I don't know who did I didn't. I skipped. She skipped most people did you know? Um? But but like I was like unclear on who she was. And then I had to get up really close and COVID restrictions be dam I was like peering over my mouth. I was like, who is that? And I was like it was cameras but in a full green she Hulk

get up because it was superhero theme. It was a weird scenario because originally we were supposed to do a Christmas show and that's what I signed up for in December, and then all of those states like Texas and all that just got really hot with COVID, so they were like, we're not going to go out, so they moved it to you know, was it February? I believe I did it.

I can't remember, but this is we're moving it there and we're doing this superhero theme and they're like everybody's gonna be a superhero and I'm oh God, and I'm like, I'm, you know, forty five years old. I don't need to be in a leotard, like what the funk? And they said, um, you know what would what? What would be your superpower? And everybody's like gorgeousness and fierceness, and I'm like, I'm a cunt. So I was super cunt for the event.

You know. That's it. That's what you do, forty five years old in a parking lot in Texas, wearing a leotard, making my dad proud, making my dad proud? Wait can can? I? Of course people know this and they pick up on this from you, especially recently, but you have a special relationship with this word cunt. What does the word cunt mean to you? Just called a bunch of drag queens? Yeah, I just I don't even think of it as the best thing. I mean, no, no, no, no, I don't

think no. I look at it. It's just like a gaggle you know when when when a gaggle of fags isn't enough, but like impossible fags, that brunch is like a group of cunts. It's just like you know what I'm talking about, it's something sexual. It's just like, oh, there's no reasoning, there's no it's it's like the gay version of a Karen. Yeah, just annoying little faggots. You hear that noise and you know exactly what that is that it's so then when when you're super cunt, what

is this what is this superhero identity to you? Well, basically, it's the power to say anything hateful and go that's just what I do, you know, So it's just easy, you know, curse, Yes, Superman saves the world and I just ruin it. So sorry, I'm super could not even to say that that was basically the setup. Yeah, that is that is a superpower. But wait, was it was it? I don't imagine. I can't imagine what it was like

to do that show. And then I mean, like I think we're all used to like zoom shows whatever that has the concept of zoom shows and just not hearing the laughter or any sort of feedback. But then were people just honking when they were when they like to joke. Well, it depends on where we were. Some cities were very very serious with restrictions. Now when we got to Florida and when we got to Texas, they don't give a funk. I'm they are talking about cunts. Florida was that the

one place where masks and teeth were optional. I mean, that's Florida. So it was tricky when you're there and they were outside of their vehicles, so it was nice to have some people reactive, but in some cities they were actually you know, following the rules and staying in their vehicles. So the first two nights was wild, and but luckily we were doing two shows a night, so you know, it's always like first show, got through it, second show that was kind of fun. Then the next

night you're like, okay, we're back on track. So you just had to get adjusted to it. But it was Have you ever done a bad gay problem? It's redundant bad gay pride. You know, any gay pride event that you've done, where you go it's in the middle of nowhere and you're in a tent, there's no air condition, there's a mirror this big, and you pride completely. It's that type of setup. That's what it felt like. The entire time was like a gay pride event that you

couldn't get out of. That's what I felt like. I don't know if it's because of COVID and because I missed traveling. It was Matt and I did one little fun it was a little was a big tor but then that was then we and then you know, should out crazy. But then I missed. In some ways, I felt like it was more meaningful to be to do a queer gay thing in a town that like maybe he didn't always have these events for for people to

rally around. Yeah, I mean, I mean, I mean, I'm asking such an earnest question, but like, did you forget that feeling that like going to the small town pride events felt kind of fun at least? Oh god, No, I love the travel. I'll do anything. I'm not picking I mean, I'm doing this podcast. It's just it's just the way that it is. It's like I love going and doing it, and I like it when it's a

bad situation, like everything can't be perfect. Like like I'm saying earlier, is that in twenty nineteen, I got to do Carnegie Hall. But then the next night this is this just goes to show you you're in Carnegie Hall, you live in a little fantasy. The next I got on my bus the next morning and we drove to I think it was Pennsylvania or Philly. I can't remember which. One, it was. But we go there and I'm in another venue and this is a rock venue that I'm now

in folding chairs. The stage is too high, the air conditions broke, there is no dressing room. That's the next night, and I'm like, that's what I deserve, just to remind you that's where you come from. So I love the whole magic of it. So I'll do anything. I'll go to any of these events or anywhere I'm at. And that's what was so great about driving drag is also just the commitment to people coming out to see it, driving into this setup. They're just like, we need entertainment too,

So it was it was actually fun. It's so funny like to talk about like how every state is different. It was truly like it was like the heart of the pandemic. And my sister sent me a message and it was a video message of her and she lives in St. Petersburg, Florida, so she was out and it was a video of literally truly, she was in the front row at a Kennedy Davenport show. Kennedy's just doing three flips in front of her. I was like, oh my god. I texted back, oh my God, amazing, what

the fuck? Like, I'm not, I'm like batting down the hatches here. I'm like, she can't possibly have a mask on there unless that was a reveal, like mask It's so it's so crazy, Florida don't care? Are you know? Say that? Yeah? I just had that conversation with some fag other day. I was in New York and this queen. I was like hey, and she did have a mask on.

And I was just like standing outside basically in the bike lane in a hut eating with other friends that it is the Ninth Avenue, and she came over and she was just like, hey, I'm like, I want to put your mask on just so people around don't freak out. She's like vaccinated, honey. I'm like, well, that's the next layer now. So it's kind of like are you a top? Are you a bottom? Are you a single? Are you

on prep? Type of vaccination? Did you get? It's like it's too much, there's too much business to get out, to get out on the front end. Just completely okay? Is it okay that we're having this conversation right? Well? I was gonna ask, what's what's your like? Um, what's your mode? When you come into New York now, I mean, or even back when you were doing Carnegie Hall a couple of years ago, Like you come in, you like

to stay with like like nor York girl. Well no, I had a great many many years there, and the problem was, um, it's just that once drag Race. Once I did Drag Race, I started traveling quite a bit, and like I said, I was taking every every shitty gay pride. So I was in and out of the city and it just became problematic to get in and

out of New York. And I was in a you know, in a studio apartment in Hell's Kitchen, and it was just to the point where I was like, all right, either I moved someplace in New York or I get the funk out. And in New York. I didn't want to live in Queens. I didn't want to live in Brooklyn. You know, it just didn't seem to make sense. We came in l A and it was like, okay, the sunshine all the time. No, my gigs wouldn't get canceled because of snow, or I couldn't get out of the Bardi.

So I was like, let me just try this for a while. And I was stuck in l A for about four years and now I'm in Palm Springs. So yeah, so we we were talking about Palm Springs before we got on because we all love UM. So you live there now I lived there, live there. Yeah, So the

crazy ship was. So I was in London doing this musical um everybody's talking about Jamie and I was finishing it up in the end of February early March, I believe, and I was coming home and I had eight weeks off to get my townsils out and buy a house random years age the schedule exactly, so I'm like, okay, is it is a great timing to make this happen. I got there. I came out to Palm Springs because my assistant lived here already came out here. I saw

a house. I came in here on Wednesday. I saw a house on a Friday, and I had it by Monday. And it was just like the bamboom and I'm like, okay, now I'm gonna get tonsils and then boom. We were in lockdown. So I was in a house that I had just bought with no furniture, no, absolutely nothing, sitting in Palm springs the beginning of the entire pandemic. Console still in, Tonsil, still in because we canceled the surgery. So we're talking to be with the bad Tonsils right now. Yeah,

I'm good down because it's hot here. But when I get into cold air, that's that's the problem. So yeah, So they were like, it's elective surgery. We'll re reschedule you until you know later. Did you did did you did he drive you into l A that for those days that we were working together on Yes, they did. Oh my god. I felt so bad. I was like there, like byonca is about to touch down into the studio in l A. And I was like, and she she drove all like they drove her all the way from Palm. Yeah.

I mean, it's not a big deal. It's not that bad. I feel like it's still such a drive though. I mean, if you had traffic, you're looking at a three hour moments. But if you come at the right time, you can actually get in and out of there in an hour and a half if you come at the right time. Isn't that worth to live by if you come at the right time, if you come at the right honey, Yeah, Yeah, but I always feel like palm strings whenever I'm there. I'm always so happy to be there for like three

days and then the fourth fifth day. Did you have like a period of a period where you hit a wall when you were like, Okay, it's palm springs all the time, Like are you loving it? Well? No, because I'm not in the direct city. I'm a little further out, which is great, so I'm a little more residential. Um and I mean, I mean, I'm in this super Republican neighborhood, which is weird because I'm the darkest thing without a lawnmower.

But he is one of these areas where you're out here, so I'm not in the middle of the airbnbs and all the gays have in their moments, so I know where that is, which is about fifteen minutes away, so if I need it, I can go find it. But I'm a little further out, so I like being alone. You know, I get sick of people quickly, so it was easy to just kind of go, this is nice, this is cool. I can set at my house and be a normal person for a while there there and

drink of course, right, ye are you gigging out? There because there's like, good, I know you're just like, no, I haven't. No, my friends, a lot of my friends that are from l A that have come out, that have done drag Race, that will come out and do the brunches and stuff, but I have this weird contract with the production company that I can't do ship, which is great because now the world's opening back up again

and so things are slowly becoming human and normal. Yes, okay, and she's and she's and you're gonna get You're gonna get the bookings in line pretty soon. Well yeah, well I have a tour that's announcing soon that i'll be back on the road with. Yeah. Yeah, they're actually two announcements that are happening next week. So yeah, okay, wellgund yeah the pre exclusive. Yeah, the pre exclusive. Yes, that's it. I don't know when. It's an announcement of the announcement

of the announcement. We love it. I just pitched about that online Drag Queens Love to do that. They go big event coming up tomorrow. Oh, I can't wait to share. Just fucking tell us us three days before, just tell us what it's about to happen. It's the pre exclusive is just a little bit thinner than the exclusive. When it comes out, you know, it tastes, and then the exclusive better not flop. I better not here, Like about

your new podcast. No, I'm not doing No. The crazy thing was you know, um they were up my ass uh Starpars Audio for about four years asking me to do one, and I did at about time. Well, I just thought you had to be in one place and record it. I mean that's how it was, you know, the world. I think you had to be one place and do it, and I couldn't commit. But then after what nine months and and you know, staying locked at home, I just thought, well, funk, I need to do something.

So then it was just easier. And basically this is how we function with everybody. Now. It's kind of wine, right, There is no boundary between like my like podcast behavior like the whale like sort of like talk to someone here. I mean, I mean it's all blended together in a way that's kind of terrifying. Yes, I feel like I'm just on a podcast with everybody I'm on Zoom with And now you're gonna have to go back into society. This is gonna be terrible, Like wait, hold on, is

this one being recorded? Like, no, this is a private meeting. Is my quick time running it's terrible. But Matt earlier was saying when you guys were talking about Palm Springs that like it's like Matt hopes to end up. I mean I think we all kind of do. I definitely see myself when I go to the truck, when I go to like the Tropicana or Tropical I'm always like, this is me at the bar as I know it,

and it's me very soon and I love it. No, I think what's great about it is it's just I mean I come from originally from New Orleans, so it's like it's completely the opposite. We don't have mountains down there. I mean we're below sea level. Uh, not to mention. It's just it's always sunny. The weather is always the same. It's very consistent, which is good. Um, it's not as bad as hot to me is Phoenix. Um, And you know, everything looks pretty. Everything's like the flintstones. So I just

love the whole idea of it. It is bed rock. It is all bed rock. Like the town. I'm just like the charming way, the way that is not terribly haunting to me in the way that like, oh, it's like whatever. I'm like, no, it's it's nice. It's yeah, I just I see myself there too. But I I feel like when you're in l a, it's just the proximity is like it call goals to you in a

different way. And I think Matt's experiencing that right now. Yeah, I mean, look, to be honest, the only reason, I mean, one of the main reasons why I moved out here so I could actually appear young. So it's great when you look at the people that are here. I'm like, I'm not I'm chicken here. This is scary and it's like a whole new world for me. Yeah, but you have nary, nary a crow's foot on your face because you're you're well, I just had this laser done. This

lady just burned the ship out of me. She was like, all right, you got some dark spots on your face. We're gonna zap it. Then she zapp it and it got darker. I don't know what the fuck, but um, well, I mean, you know I've had bot tox for Christ's sake. Yeah, you gotta do that every now, But yeah, how how often? Because I think, I think, I think this is as I'm pointing at your face saying that this is, this

is my goal in like five years. Well it's I don't do it that often, like every six months, and the doctor does it in different spots, so he doesn't do the same spots always. So if he does here, he won't do there, and then he'll do that next time. So you still have some mobility, so you don't have that Nicole Hitman forehead yet. Yeah, you know what I

mean that that you know, I've seen your friends. She's not a close friends going to say, but I was like, I was watching The Undoing and a couple of my friends are like, I wish she didn't have so much work, and I'm like, no, she's playing like an Upper east Side rich woman. It's like Nicole Kiman is playing a version of herself on the Undoing. I'm cool with it. And that woman also might have a slight Australian accent. You don't know, you don't know where she went to university.

I am excited, though excited slash interested in this whole Lucy biopic thing that's happening. Did you did you hear about that? We didn't mean I've always I've seen the photo and that people are people are a little up in arms about the photo. Yes, yes, because what's happening

to be up in arms about. It's her face in an orange wig, and everybody's like, you know, that's I think the headline was something ridiculous at one of those Daily Mail things that it was like she's the spitting image of Lucy and it's like girl girl, you know. But then it's okay, we can say, I mean, she's not gonna win snatch game, but it's in that thing where you're like, it doesn't and then they're like justifying it by going, it's not Lucy. I love Lucy, it's

Lucille Balls life. So I'm curious just to see what it's about. She's such an amazing actress that, like, I'll be interested in what the take is. I will say it was originally supposed to be Cape Blanchet, and I think that would have been fucking amazing like that, I think energy wise, because you know, Lucy like or Lucille Ball rather like she was a rather like hard person, you know what I mean, Like she was like a

tough woman. She was a tough businesswoman. She took no ship like as as as funny and as like you know, broad as she was on the show, she was, she was a real tough one. And I think that you know, Cape Blanchet like has that like natural toughness and take no ship, which she brought to you know, um, the Aviator, and she she's just we've seen her do so many times that I was really excited about that, and I

think Nicole can find it and get there. And I never bet against Nicole, but in terms of just pure casting, I will say I was excited for the Cape Blanchet lose moment. See, I'm still upset that that Kate didn't win the Academy Award for Elizabeth and they gave it to Gwyneth Paltrow that year. Remember that ship it was for that Shakespeare that fuckory like on like you know, good god damn well, but she did win for The Aviator,

which was supporting. But whatever, yeah, I do. I mean, well, now she's also got her blue Jasmine one, so she's got her she's got a couple on her damn show. But the thing about someone like that is it's like, you know, they always deserve to win. Did you all hear about the Hollywood foreign press falling apart, No, what's coming on? Yeah, yeah, Phillison, because I haven't been keeping

up with us. So basically, like they they've obviously come under fire because there's almost no diversity in their voting body, which is essentially eight like European men who like named Gibbetto and and and like like that. Basically basically you can you can. You can send them like a basket

of cookies and they'll vote for you. And that's like just basically essentially how the Golden Globes were like, it's crazy European like hi, Hi, and they're like the the way that they vote is like is actually a little bit sexist, and apparently like there's um, someone came out

I believe it. Scarlett Johansson actually said today she made a huge statement and she said, you know, I am not going to be participating in these in the Hollywood foreign press events going forward because every time I go to like press events with them, they asked very sexist questions. You know, their platform for diversity outreach going forward is not satisfactory. And so now everyone like is sort of

getting on board with being like we're pulling out. We're pulling out like Netflix, and now we're not doing any Hollywood format. They're not going to broadcast it. So they came under fire. Then they responded to it. The response wasn't good enough. More people are coming out to the point where this, to me is hilarious. Tom Cruise went to the Hollywood Foreign Press Offices and return his three golden globes in protest. So people and I'm like, yeah,

you know, she's the word. I was like, yeah, Tom Cruise. Tom Cruise brought his golden globes to the Hollywood Foreign Press Offices. Then he said do better, hopped on the back of a s ard member, went back to the Scientology Celebrity Center and threw a woman who looked at Ann Archer wrong on the hallway. Give me a fucking break, Honestly, first of all, let's talk about the big problem here. Why does Tom Cruise have three golden globes? That's why I want to what the fund has he done that?

He's got a rock of ages? What are these wins? What are these wins? It's like the new seasons of drag Race. Who cares it's not special anymore? You gave it to her, what is it about it? Jerry McGuire and brought on the fourth of July. In case anyone's want, I mean, first of all, the moment in first of all, let's just let's just let's call his career at the moment, the moment of Jerry maguire is Rene's elbow ger. She is the moment. Okay, she said, it's Kelly Preston. It's Kelly.

It's the late Kelly Preston. Yeah, yeah, getting fucked by him. This is this is getting me. That was good, Thank you. Yeah, that was really good. Sketch legend for your consideration. We are we have for your consideration, Emmys. It's going to happen before I say, baby, where the buzz is building? Um?

But wait no, it's it's so funny to me though that people like, like occasionally he'll come out and be like, hey, yeah, I want to say that I'm on the right side of one thing, and then people are like, yeah, we stand, and I'm like, no, he is like leader of a cult time. You know. Have you have you ever seen Scarlett Jr. Hands In person? She is the tiniest little thing, biggest tits I've ever seen on such a small frame. She's a very small I have a sure whether I'll

have to send it to you. She's literally like this tiny little thing huge Tits beautiful though them. I can't wait for Black Widow. Look, I'm looking to I'm looking to get back into the movie theater. I went the other night to see Together Together starring our friend Patty Harrison. She's fabulous. I'm just like, it feels good to be back in the movie theater again. They're like half cool, so it's not exciting, but and any of these big movies I want to go see. But that's the best.

Capacity theater is best. Even in the before, like it was like, oh great. It was like like a like a Thursday afternoon thing that you would do and it'd be like this is perfect, pick your seat, there you go. What's the movie? What's what's the theater in Palm Springs. You don't have no idea because when I got here everything was closed. So things were just slowly now opening up. So I haven't done my research. Yeah, I know, so you're just you're discovering it. I am discovering it now. Yeah.

I went to my friends Jackie beat and Sherry Vine had drag shows at this place called Oscar's Downtown, so I went to go because you know, they but I I would call them legends because this is what I would say about anybody like Lady Bunny and Coco Peru and Varla Jean Mormon and all of those queens. These are bitches who started, you know, in the early nineties, and they are still working and you have the platform

of drag Race, didn't have social media. So the fact that they're still around, still doing what they do, and they're still fucking funny as ship. They're bitter as hell, but they're funny a ship that it's great. I would call them legends because they're committed. And also they're a huge reminder to me to say stop drag so I know at some point I'm gonna go. I don't want to be her, so I will stop. But yeah, it's wild because they've been around. I mean, can you imagine

just doing this since the nineties. I mean, that's that's that's a commitment, bitch. Now and you really do forget, like you know now because now it feels like when we do the new seasons of Drag Race, almost everyone that's on the show now like started doing drag or came of age doing drag while the show was on. So there is like that while I still really love the show and I actually have season our team was like an incredibly strong season in the in the grand scheme.

It was so long, it was but I got it. But what then else are we doing? You know what I mean? Anyone? Anytime that anyone? And he was saying like it was long, it was long. I was like, I was grateful for it. Now I will say this, I haven't started watching Australia because I am a little fatigued at this point. I haven't now have watched it. Yeah, well I haven't watched since my season. Uh. And it's wild because like I literally watched the season season six

in a bar doing bar viewings. As I told you, I'll do anything. So I was doing bar viewings while it was airing and TV and I have not sat back and watched any of it since then. So and then after that, I was traveling, and then it started getting really complicated when it started going to specific channels that weren't in my hotel or wherever I was traveling out like the one and it switched from logo and then it was all and I was like, I don't care anymore. You know, I can't keep up. You know,

watch Bob's season, did you really stretch Bobs? I did watch Bob season. I saw marathon of Bob season. But I did know what was going on because Bob and I are friends. So it was that kind of a thing where, you know, he was eight, so I was out working. But yeah, we kept in touch and I knew what was going on. But I think that was probably the last time that I cared. Uh was fair,

That's fair, that's fair. Hearing you talk about you know, Jackie and and just a Cocoa and and Lady Buddy, I'm just like, oh, but see, Bianca's win was great. Even like in my like you know Zygo era of being in New York City, I was like being like a baby. I was just like, oh, but it feels like Bianca has this connection with like I hate to use this term, but like that old school Yeah. Well, I mean when we started drag, I mean that's how

I was. I started in nineties six, and so the thing was that you you had to have a gimmick, you had to have something you were doing. So either you were this super perfect lip sync artist, or you were the dancing queen, or you were the trans goddess that would be you know, naked with with the capes and all this stuff, or you were the clown. And that's kind of how it started for me. And I didn't consider myself a clown. They told me I was a clown, and in that situation is just how it rolled.

So you I would basically cover the time while the girls were doing costume changes to talk to the audience because no one else wanted to talk to the audience. So that's kind of how it evolved. And we're dealing with drunk people at two am on a Wednesday night in New Orleans. Girl girl, Yeah that's the bottom of the barrel. So trial by fire that that is yeah, challenging,

but you know, it was what it was. So that's just what I did all those years, and then it just kind of went into and so drag race for me. I did it at thirty seven. I had a birthday where we were filming, so I was thirty seven and I thought I will quit drag at forty. You know, I'm sick of slepping from bar to bar and doing shitty Pride gigs. Um. I thought, all right, I could wrap this up and just live a normal life, and

then Drag Race kind of changed everything. So it was the last minute chance of like, let's go do it. See what's gonna happen, because I've seen many of my untalented friends go far like Manila, and I thought this, you know, like people know Jiggly's name. What the funk

I could go do? Yeah, while we're talking days of Lure, we should ask the question, what do you think the central question of the show lost cultures that we currently are actually participating in right now, So it's time the question is Bianca, what was the culture that made you say culture is for me? So basically, this was the pop culture that entered your life at a certain point when you were like, oh wait, I see myself in this. I am affected by this. I'm gonna follow this impulse.

Oh well, it's tricky because it didn't It wasn't actually happening in real life at my time, but it was through video tapes and a friend of mine, um, a guy that worked for the local newspaper back in the day in New Orleans. I just started drag and he says, I need you to watch this videotape. It's important. And I got to watch a videotape of Charles Pierce, and Charles Pierce was this amazing drag queen from way back when. And it was the moment that I went, oh, this

is what it was. He wasn't pretty. He was doing impressions, but it wasn't It was his take on the impression. So it's very much like Saturday Live in that moment where visually you have some of the stuff that gives you the nuances. But it was the culture in the world that it was like, oh, so it's not all about looking like a woman. Oh, it's not all about being serious. That I went, oh, that's that's for me.

And then I think the other the other side of it was, you know, just I was in the Madonna age, you know, so that was like my culture in my life that I was like, oh God, that's oh. I want to be in music videos. I want to be you know, I want to wear that ponytail, you know, and sing vogue. That was that was my thing. And I still love her, even though she's kind of crazy now, but I'm like, you know, I'm that mad at her, but yeah, that would probably be the most interesting thing

that took me over. Yeah, Charles Pierce, Okay, she's she's doing like whatever happened to Baby Jane, like as like Betty Davis like that she has that like Betty David's face. Yes, but he also was a huge character actress. He was like on love Well, yeah, I mean in that day he was one. Also, Jim Bailey was another one. Jim Bailey used to impersonate Judy Garland and do a full concert as Judy Garland. I mean like the cal Burnett Show was on Johnny Carson, and the same thing with

Charles Pierce. He was a brilliant character actor. So he was on Love Boat, Fantasy Island, he was on everything the seventies and you can find him. But it was just one of those people that actually made a living as a drag queen. And I thought, wow, you know, that's that's cool. I think I want to do that like around the same time as like a divine even or I can. Yes, it would be like two different spectrums,

I think. Um perfect example, Charles Pierce was good friends with b Arthur if that gives you any his eulogy, So that's the kind of queen he was, but um I think he probably he could be the same age a divine I can't remember. But it was also you know, starting out back then where you didn't have female names, starting out when you couldn't dress and drag. I mean, there was a time even in New Orleans that you would get arrested if you were in drag, which is

kind of crazy. They put in a Pattiwagon girl takeing a jail for wearing heels. So it was a different time. But I was just shocked by these people that basically made careers out of this, and we're just brilliantly talented. Yeah, if you go to YouTube hole, you gotta look up Charles Spears should be cackling. There's one called Charles Pierce in San Francisco which was hysterical. You gotta look at it. See.

I mean, I mean, are you a little disappointed in us that we're not as familiar most of the time. Most of the time we have some awareness around our guests answers. I don't want to care. No, I'm educating you. It's true. The children, the children don't know. Sometimes the children have forgotten. Sometimes the children just don't know. No, and I think I just think it's it's it's just

for me. It was just my gay culture. And then I knew all of these older, you know, drag queens that I worked with throughout the years, that some of them they gave me the best advice, you know, throughout the years. So I just appreciate That's why I guess that's why I'm friends with the old girls, like, you know, I mean, they're not much older than me, about ten years older, but you know, Sherry, Jackie, Varla, Coco and all of them, it's like they've kind of welcomed me

into that world. But they're you know, they're the best. They don't cut, they don't play any games. They deliver and I mean you go see any of their shows and you come out of that cackling, which is not and it feels like that's that's like, that's exactly what it's supposed to be. It's like you're not give a fuck. You're not supposed to give a fuck. What what is happening outside in that moment? Where did you know Ruin All before doing the show? Like where you connected to

Ruin All? No, not not at all. I think my only connection with rough it was three or two. I can't remember. It might have been two. I was still in high school. I had a friend that was an actress and she was introducing at this It was a no Aid's Task Force event that was happening in New Orleans. It was a big thing, Halloween party, and it was the height of supermodel and so Ru was coming in and so I was there and got to see Rue and um, you know, it was just this big entourage

came in, big long hair. But also at that time, nobody was doing it like Rue. You know, so U was on TV and hand all this exposure. But that was the first run in and then in New York. Occasionally would see her either on the street or at Splash Bar when I worked there with Bunny that she come oh girl, yeah. Um, so that's where I run into a couple of times. That was all pre drag Race.

So it wasn't until we did the show that you know, I got to well, I'm not even sure if it was her was probably a hologram, but she was in the room with me during that. Yeah, right right, yeah. I recently I recently actually fell down a wormhole of like the So it's so funny because like you just think of the Rupel Supermodel moment as this moment that happened,

and that was what catapulted Rue. But what I constantly forget is that it was directly connected to the fact that like that was also the dawn of the age of the supermodel. And the other day I was like, I've fallen down a wormhole of like I guess what they call the Big Six, which was you know, Naomi Christy Turlington, Linda Eventelie, I guess, Kate moss Um, Cindy Crawford, and like, I don't want to forge, I said, Naomi,

And was it Claudia Schiffer. Maybe it's Cludia Schiffer. Yeah, So and then like Tyra Banks would come a little bit after that, I'm over here saying Carla Bruney like an idiot, Well, I guess, like and and I remember like there was like, like, I guess Rue was on Watch What Happens Live with Naomi and they were Andy asked about um the song Supermodel, and Naomi she lit up because she was like, we love that so much.

And I think, like I I sometimes forget that that moment for Rue was probably so huge because this supermode models were so huge, Like nowadays, it's like they try to make some of these girls happen in terms of being supermodels, Like I guess we have like we know, we know their names, like we know who Jijihadi it is.

We know that Kendall Jenner does walk the runway. Um, but like at the time, like that was such a huge moment and then for that song to be connected to that huge moment pop culturally, that's what made RU sort of explode right Like, And they also even opened remember the Fashion Cafe, which was like a Planet Hollywood gay version that they had. They had it in New York, that had one in New Orleans and I think one

of Los Angeles. So it was like they were investing this restaurant that was based all around supermodels, which is insane to think about. Yeah, the nineties. Yeah, And I was I was reading. I was reading because I was started trying to educate myself about this because I was like, you know, there's really not a lot of supermodels now. And it was basically about how those five or six women became so powerful in the fashion industry that basically

fashion couldn't go without them. So like it like they basically made a decision as an industry that we were never going to let six women become this powerful because like we couldn't they couldn't do control it. Yeah that yeah, yeah, Like the the I only get out of bed for was not a joke. That's a good one. You know what's funny. One time I was in New York and I ran into Linda Evangelista at Party City. She was buying a spar was because I am, I don't do you do this? I don't know if either one of

you do this? But what a map? But like when you go, especially like in New York, it's that type of thing where your eyes are always open to seeing if you know somebody, I'm I'm one of those out of my groups of friends, I'm the one who spots the person first. So I was going up and down the old I was in Luau Section and there she was. But she was standing there and I'm like you know that, mom w And You're like, oh my god, that that

looks like Linda and Mangelista. This is happening in my head going that looks the woman looks a lot like Linda Maneli is not like that is that woman could be if she had a little more makeup, if her hair was this, if it wasn't a party city, like I know, she can't be here. You know, it's New York. It's New York. Like I always say, there's a select few, a fan of people that you would never see in person. Princess Diana, Michael Jackson, maybe because they're dead, but Princess Diana,

Michael Jackson, Madonna you wouldn't see locally. You would run into lies that you would run into, anybody on the street that you would go, oh hey, you know, Joan Rivers was one, Cindy Adams, you know, that kind of stuff you expect to see, but you wouldn't expect to see Linda eventually some part of city. So I was shock gonna tell her hello, and she just looked at me that I was crazy, and that was that, yeah,

how are you positive? Because I said, I said to her, I was like, oh my god, I'm sorry, you look a lot like LINDI eventulations because my name is Linda, and I go, oh, nice to each I love you, and I just went away. I was like, well, you know, you've become that faggot, you know, You're like, I'm not gonna do it. I'm not going to do it. Yeah. One time, one time I was in UM. I was in uh Central Park and I was walking with my

friend and we saw Kevin Bacon walking his dog. And as he was walking by with his dog, she told me, she says, we're gonna play cool. We're not going to say anything. I said, of course not. He's walking his dog, that's what it is. And as soon as he passes, my friend screams, well, I loved you in foot Loose And I was like, oh, what a fucking troll like that girl? Yeah, so one he hasn't heard before us exactly. Anyway, they kept moving, but you know, what's your emma when

people do that to you. Though, I don't mind it, I don't. I'm happy if they even give a shit, you know. I like it when it's a surprise one. So it's like if you're going through t s A and you're standing there and you've put this and they've pulled your bag aside, and you're like, I know, because when you're traveling a lot, you're like, it ain't no water in there, there ain't no gun, what the funk is up? And they pull the bag over and then you go over there and I'm like, this is gonna

be another ten minutes. I can't sit in the lounge, and it's somebody going, hey, you were my favorite. I just want to tell you hello, Can I get a bag back? So those moments are fun. Um they hold your back just to say hi. Yeah, she was telling me, was just wiping my bag down, telling me hello that was her favorite. It's like that I couldn't give this back to you until I said it's like, well, if you have to give it back to me, yeah, but you wouldn't expect it. So it's that kind of saying.

That's fun. A flight attendant, somebody at Starbucks that write your name on the cup before you even see it, and then it's like you get it. It's like Bianca with a heart. You're like, oh, this is fucking dumb, but it is kind of wild. It's kind of wild because you know, when you when you go and film that stuff, you just don't know. Like in my head, I thought maybe my friends in New York would watch my people I know in Los Angeles and people in

New Orleans. I didn't expect for everybody in different countries to watch globally to know or care. Yeah, your season was a seat change, though I really think that, you know, because so four and five like really put it on the map, and then I really do believe like everyone in the queer community and put everyone in quot it's but like everyone all my friends were watching by season six.

I think even season six was maybe the first season that I was like, Okay, I'm actually I knew I liked the show since season two, but it wasn't my favorite show until season six, and then I think it was like around six, seven, eight, and then I believe by the time Season I was happening, it was like a full blown phenomenon. But your season was really the season where it started to change. I think it was

good casting. I think it was just that they all, I mean, you know, we were all like Courtney Courtney act was extremely established, you know, globally working and doing stuff, and she was in late twenties and thirties, and the door was huge on the American idol there, and I mean I was the thirties seven, so they allowed older.

Darien was older than me, so it was there was a lot of diversity in age and also experience, which was great um and and you know, down to the final four, we were all completely different as people and not necessarily in competition with one another. So it's not like I think, now it's hard for me to watch because there's you know, these little Instagram girls where they look gorgeous in a photo, but I go, what do

you do? Like, what are you? You know? Yeah, I mean you've heard this a million times, but it does feel like six was the last season before things started to tip into Instagram appealing, before things started to be done on the show with the like four sight of like what's it gonna look like on insta? R right?

Six six was sort of that last little moment that we all sort of hold dear that I remember being like, okay, there's something changing with seven once it came on, and I was like, oh, I longed for the days of season six. Like I heard myself saying that, well, I didn't even have Instagram or Twitter until I did the show.

So it was that kind of a thing where they were like, well, would be best if you maybe get online and create a social profile, And I'm like, so it was something that they they suggested you do, They suggested to us we didn't have. And it's tricky now because you know, it's a completely different world as far as the contracts are concerned and the media signed with

VH one being involved. So even once you filmed the show, H v H one and all of them will sit with you separately and then go through their propaganda fucare and things that you're expected and things you have to do. It's kind of like um appearances as Miss America. You know, I didn't have any of that. It was really like you do the show. We were paid five hundred bucks an episode. That's what it was. It was two days

for every episode except for our rusical, which took three days. UM. And that was that contract was show up at the finale and we're happy, thank you so much, and then I got my money and that was that. So I'd didn't have any restrictions. I was not signed to them or any of that madness. So it's a completely different game. I think the same thing kind of happened with American Idol, where it was free for all for a hot minute, and then they started controlling and handling all the girls,

which is the situation there in now. So you know, good luck, I'm glad I didn't when I did it, But yeah, it's it's a different world, and I think as the show has gotten bigger, um, you know, the rules have changed and the demographic has changed, you know,

so it can be challenging me. It's a blessing, and of course I'm grateful for the platform, but I also refused to have a thirteen year old girl named Bethany tell me how the funk I should live my life or what I should say or shouldn't say because she

didn't like it. No, No, that is the time. That's got to be The tough thing is it's like, you know, someone like Tina Burner, who's like an established queen for decades in New York, and then she goes on and like the fucking twelve year old fandom is like wait out, Like yeah, it's like, well, who the funk are you? Like, she's been doing it longer than you've been alive and that a joke. She literally might have shoes older than these kids complete. But it's also the chance you take.

It's the chance you take. And you know, I'm friends with Tina, and Tina all she ever wanted was to be on the show, and I think that's also the hard thing too, is that when you want it so bad and you've always wanted to be And I think she auditioned like ten times where it was like every season, so she finally gets on and it's it's a it's a it's a gamble. You know, you just never know

how people are going to react. But it's just I mean, it has nothing to do with Tina as a person or the way she comes off on television, and it has everything to do with the way that audiences expect to be um in the conversation. I expect to dictate the conversation or they're the ones interpreting what's happening on their televisions in a way that's supposed to like materially affect these girls lives. It's like this affects their bookings,

This effects like the way that people approach them. I mean, like I think for me in particular, I was grateful that I didn't have social media all those years before because I didn't know how social media worked. I didn't know that I I didn't over so I don't play the victim. I don't care what you think of me, and so in this game, I don't use social media as a platform to even discuss anything personal or get into it, whereas drag race, you know the storytelling and

the funcory. And I was left at a bus stop and I overcame the sing a song, dance, blow up balloons, make it entertaining. No one is gonna go see her show because she was left at a bus stop, like what the fuck? Like? And I love Roxy Rocks and I are friends and Roxy is a very talented performer. And what I hate, what I hate is all people know is she was left at a bus stop like that. That's that's the label that's there. And I mean I went to dinner with her and she annoyed the ship

out of me. And I mean I left her at the restaurant. But it's the same thing where you just go like I always tell people her family left at the bus stop. Have you said at dinner weather I left her there? Like why? But she's got a good sense of humor. But it's a tricky situation with it because if you start to believe it and it just becomes your world, they get wrapped up in it, and then the girls get desperate and now it's like over saturation so it's really hard. Everybody's trying to get ahead

and everybody's trying to stay afloat. You know, like season wasn't Season eleven that happened during pandemic or twelve yea, So twelve came out during the pandemic and that was

the sherry pie of it all. It was like fuckory right, and I felt so bad for that season of Girls, And then this season was when they shot it in during So it's just it's it's like it's a lot of people out there, so everybody's trying to grasp and get that that limelight, and it's very very challenging to do it, especially when you get wrapped up in the

fury of online. Yeah. I mean, but but now I'm just realizing, and I've kind of known this the whole time, but it's like your time on the show was never you had never given the producers any crumb of like a personal narrative, which I probably made made your sort of like your season in terms of your win so clean, in terms of it being just about the work, and it was just like, yes, of course Bionco deserves it because it's Bianca and she is so solid all season

it was tricky. That's one of the reasons why I didn't think I was gonna win. You know, as you're going through it, you know, remember we're doing this over a five and a half week period. Every day is you know, we're doing it, so we don't have all this space. So every two days is one episode. So all I kept thinking was let's just get through, just get through, get through. You do confessionals, um every day, so so that's a whole separate team. So basically the

show itself. You come in the morning, we walk in, you know, our headphones are bag, she gives us our challenge. We start this challenge. The next day is ruined, drag, runway, all of that. But each day when it ends, a different production team comes in and we do basically the

untucked and our confessionals. So we get into our one outfit we were the first season they started doing that, so if you had on a shirt an episode one, you had to wear that shirt every day for confessionals, so they could use the footage as they chose um. And you know, you would just sit back with this producer and they would ask you questions about the day and you would respond and my responses were always just like, well, this is what I thought, this is I thought. And

there was a moment. I remember they had an issue with Benda la Creme. Uh, she was going on some SOB story in the corner and I didn't hear it. I didn't hear the SOB story. So they were like, well, what did you feel about Benda the Creme story? I said I didn't hear it, and they said, well, what we need to get something from you. I go I didn't hear it, and they got, well, you know she had family members. I I didn't fucking hear it. I don't know. I don't care about her or her family, Like,

we can't use that. I got quite asking, but it was that kind of a thing where if you back down, then you probably made up some bullshit that would have stirred up a fight. But I was just like, I don't care. I don't care about her. And it was like they felt like they didn't really need it from you, though, because the other girls were in such despair. I mean,

that was like the really tough LOGNGA narrative. And I feel badly about that because I feel like, you know who i'd love to see come back for an All Star because she's so good, she's so talented, and just felt like that was like such a nightmare for her because is like and then then she said afterwards, like I guess she really needs weed medically, and like they weren't letting her have it, Like I would be freaking out too if that were the case, Like, and I

just feel like that became such a it's actually that I feel very attacked. While while it is funny and a meme like and we do laugh like the woman is having a paddic attack, it was it was a wild scenario and and it was a very long day that day, and I knew the thing was at what we were on the show. I wanted to kill her. I just wanted to kill her because of it wasn't just what was happening on camera, because remember I'm not seeing her confessionals. I don't know anything that's going on

other than what she's showing us in the room. So that was maybe my connection with her, but the whole thing with her family and doing drag and the sympathy and the family not accepting her. I sat with a producer in my confessionals and I was like, uh, this ain't adding up. And she's like, well, would you be willing to bring it up in front of her? I go, oh, yeah, because it doesn't add up. So when we were in that room that day and I knew it was I

knew she was going. We just knew she was going, and that's what I was just like, you know what, And that's when it went beyond. But after that we you know, we've we're friends now. And she's like, that really helped her, was getting her as kicked, and then she realized how ridiculous she was being. And you know, she's much better now. She's lovely to be around now. I just saw in Los Angeles. Yeah, yeah, she's great. She just seems she seems to be in a great place.

And I don't know that it's necessarily, like mentally helpful for us as years to recommend that she go back into that environment. That was That's why I think she keeps saying no. I mean, I would imagine that they've asked, you know, they asked a lot of people. I think I think I think no. I think she's great television.

She's a talented performer and truly and honestly, any situation we had on set even I was joking about bend of the crime earlier is that, you know, we all become friends, and it was just this weird thing that once you get to the very end of it, everybody was kind of like, oh, okay, this is how it works, and we're glad this happened this way. Like it wasn't vindictive or nasty or hateful like Courtney, and they were like,

we knew you were gonna win. I like, I thought you were gonna win, Like I thought a Door was gonna win because she ride, you know, I don't you know, you don't know when you're in it. So I think that's what's the great thing about that season because everybody brought something different to the you know, to the table. Whereas now I think you can be in production and like have some like telegraph something in order to get a response months down the line when the episode comes out,

Like do you guys know what I'm talking about? You can you can engineer a response from the audience months ahead. Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, whatever you do on the show, you know. Yeah, Well if you notice now, if you go to Twitter right now and you look at any drag race Queen that's being nice to everyone on Twitter. That means she's trying to get liked because she's on All Stars. So I laugh at that when they're like everybody's everybody is different and we need to embrace shut

the funk up. You're a nanty count. We know it, like we know you go home six. So is that kind of a thing where they're trying to, you know, fix it before it all happens, where we were told, don't get unlined, don't say a word, don't do and so it was a different, different word. We filmed in June and July and it didn't air n till February, so we had all that time to shut the funk up about it, and that was our quiet time, you know,

when you know New York. It was weird because I worked, i think at the time, four days a week in Fire Island and I took off to go film and I didn't tell anybody except with a handful of people. And as soon as I left sus I didn't show up for the first gig, they were like something that I don't ever not show up. So it was that was when it all kind of snowball. But I was horrified that if I said something, I would lose the opportunity. You know, now they got some ballsy bitches. Now they're

all ballsy. Well, it's like it's like if you know the right people. Now it's like you know what happens in a season. The second they returned, it's like it's like something one of them is fun and smelling everything. I mean, usually I have to really tell people like that, I know, I don't want to know this year like this this really think the first year where I was like I don't want to know and you don't want to know, like like All Stars certain a third. But

for the regular seasons, I always tell people. I was like, I don't want to know, and it was still spoiled from me that Rose was on the top four, Like I knew that about six weeks before, and I was like, I told you guys, oh yeah wait, but let me ask you, are you too like Reddit people, do you go like search the ship out? Okay, okay, okay, yeah,

because I don't get into that either. But usually end up we end up finding out from everyone else, or usually when I get a call while there's production going and I get a business call from a queen because they love to ask, well, what about management, what about t shirts? Um, So then I really know that they're back. And then they give me their version of what happens. That's really the best. That's what you get, their version

of their version. Happy with all of my choices. And I said this, and I did that, but I think it's gonna look great. Cut to three months later. Oh fuck tricky. It's tricky, and and it's TV. It is.

And one other thing that I think is really different about the show now, and I think it's becoming not a problem, but it's becoming a real like rub in the show that I think is funny, but the references and sort of content that ruined the judges assume the kids will know and they're really like twenty years old, like when like when none of them could name disco songs, even Tina Burner was having a hard time like naming three disco songs in front of RU, and like, you know,

when they didn't know who Charles Nelson Riley was and RU was like, fuck you guys. But RU just seems to have a good sense of humor about it. But that is like like I wonder, like like it's it's such a different I guess it's just that's how it's gonna be. One time passes. Like these young girls, they hear they they are the ones that say Taylor Swift legend, you know what I mean. Like, it's it's just it's

just different. That's where we are now. And I mean I find it fascinating because you know, it has something. If you want people to know that, you might want to cast people that are old enough to remember it. But and that's why I think it's like if you can't just assume they're going to all be able to slay a share impression now in the year of our lorde.

You know what it's like, it can't be too mad that that you know, like this queen who like main like it doesn't have a reference for this, doesn't have the reference for this without a doubt or or what I find fascinating too, is it when you think about that something is being created by people that are over fifty years old and you're creating it for a demographic of thirteen to thirty eight. It's like it's gotta be

a disconnect. So the fact that Denali didn't nail Betty Davis, like it's just it's not gonna matter to the twelve year old snow and there's fifteen facts and I'm going I could do it. I could do it. Yeah, completely, it is funny, it's changed. Yeah. What was it like I'm talking about because you did this thing with Joan Rivers where you were on her talk show and bed. Yeah, what was that like because I remember watching that back back in the day. Yeah, No, it was a while ago. Yeah,

it was a while ago. Yeah, it was yeah, because I was, um, well, you know, living in New York, you run into Joan everywhere, like if there was an opening up probably show, whether it be Lakaje or anything that I was at. Well, these two events that I was at, it was Lakaje and Priscilla. She was there both those opening nights and I was in Drag. It was one of those random things where they were like, hey, can you show up and drag. We had to leave

Priscilla now, we had to leave Lakaje. No, Priscilla, we had to leave early because Bunny's hair people couldn't sit behind. But we um we had gone and done these events and she was always very gracious and said hello. And this was before we before everybody had a phone with a camera. I don't I don't think that was your face then. Um. She was always very gracious and always

very nice. And then I was running around doing all these different gigs and I was booked in Ohio and had been to Akron, I've been to uh Cleveland, and it was a random gig that they wanted me for a Sunday. And then I got a call from a guy that's a comedian by the name of Tony Tripoli. And Tony used to write for Joan Rivers on Fashion Police and he said, Hey, would you want to do this this YouTube show? I said, what does Johan doing

a YouTube show? He goes, well, nobody wanted to pick up the show, but she said, let's do it on YouTube. I could do whatever the funk I want. And I thought that's insane that nobody went on IM like, yeah, of course I'm doing signing it up. So I called all my manager at the time, and I said I'd like to do this and he's like, well, I don't think it's the best idea because you know, she's not paying and blah blah blah. And I'm like uhh and he's like, well, She's not gonna pay for your flight

or your hotel, just like, bitch, please like. So I flew to Los Angeles and we we went into Melissa River's house and I was the third of four that she was doing that day. The guy before me was that nave guy from Catfish on Empty Far. She was before me boring, and then I came in, and then after me was Lann Rhymes. Um. But all of this was happening in the house and you really do go down to the basement, and we were supposed to do

like I think, what was it something crazy, Jamie? Was it like with fifteen minutes and thirty minutes or something. I ended up doing an hour of us just cackling and talking ships. Ever, she was like the best and the reason why I'm in a onesies. I did my hair and stuff at the hotel and got there with the ones and I brought three different outfits and I'm like, John, which one do you think? She was like what she

got on? So that's why I wore it. But she was truly the best, And I have to say that, you know, someone of her caliber didn't have to be nice, didn't have to be generous, didn't have to set you up to make a jokes, and she was all of that, and I was just like my eleven year old self was going keep going, keep going, keep going. But she was the best, truly, truly one of my favorite memories,

and I'm so happy I did this. But it was a freshman or of n y U as it was two thousand eight, so she had to be seventy five. And for some reason, it was like it was like my third or fourth week in the city and I wanted to do something, and I i there was something on like the n y U website that was like a learning everyone to like things that were happening in the city, and it was like Joan Rivers was doing

stand up. So I took this girl on my floor, like down to I don't even remember the v It might it might have been the cutting room, but it was like when I tell you, it was like she would do two of them. It was like very bar. It was. It was not a theater. It was like it was like there was like a stage in the back of a bar. It might have been the cutting room.

In fact, that that rings true, so there might have been people there, but she she was there and I remember she got up and she was like doing new material, Like she was like she had all this new material, and I remember like I was just I couldn't believe that more people weren't there to soak in, like you know, we're gonna the word is overused, but not for her, true,

completely true, true icon. And she was there killing it and I'm telling you, doing jokes that were not for the fan of heart, like hard, rough and tumble, right, like really going for it like and I was like, this is pure, unfiltered Joane. And it's one It's one of the things I will always remember, and it's brilliant that you know, at that age to even go try at material she doesn't have to she had, but that

was her gig. And you know, the night the day that she died, well, not the day that she died, with the day she went into the hospital. That next morning, she worked at the Lorie Beachman Theater the night before doing a show, trying out new material, and then she had this scope that she was supposed to do the next day at a clinic and that's when everything went downhill.

And it's just I was in Australia when it happened, and it was so weird because I was like, you know, like this no, not done, no, And it was just fascinating that the turn of events that happened after that, we're pretty wild. But to know that she was in that place the night before doing jokes, it's just that's the way to go, I guess, right, you know, yeah, I mean I gotta watch that documentary again. Piece of work. Piece of work. I mean I haven't seen it since.

I think I watched again after she passed away, like right after, because I was like, I gotta like honor this somehow. But like, but to have that like work ethic, I think I don't know that even people like our generation, like between me and Matt, like, I don't do you know anybody who like works like that? I mean literally there's people that are like the pandemic is hard on me emotionally, and I can't see myself going up on stage.

It's like Joan Rivers would have been up for like she like whatever, she would have had like the like mask on whatever. She's like, I don't care what I have to do to get on stage. It's like, you know, nothing was stopping her. It was clear and then you know that's true stand up, a true workhorse, a true like consummate professional that she was. She was never done.

She was never done. And also like a lot of these a lot of the jokes, like you know, she knew they were bombers because like she was like she was like she had jokes that were killing and jokes that were bombing, but she was having so much fun doing it. I will say, yeah, it was because also after that time frame, you know, then they had that whole switch with the Fashion Police and stuff, and they had Kathy Griffin comin and blah blah blah, and so I knew some people that were writing on the show

after Joan had left. And if anybody knew this, Joane had eleven writers for Fashion Police. Eleven. Now that's how you do it. Eleven writers, and Cathy had decided that she didn't want any. And I'm like, kind of if Joan had eleven, you need forty six. That's all I'm saying.

You know, it's that kind of a thing where you're like that made sense, because how would this seventy five year old woman know anybody or know any reference to anything unless she had a rights And I mean That's what was so great is that as giving as she was, she was also accepted. If it's funny, she would use it and she would get out there and and try it, you know, and that's what you're supposed to do. That documentary really did kind of put into perspective like though

it was her against the world, it really was. And I mean, like the disrespect she was shown by Jay Leno, like, I mean, just like all of it, just like she the fact that she was still going, I mean, that was that is a true legend in in the truest sense of the word. Name another legend. Now you really can't you can't. I really can't know. You can't know, you can't you can't. Speaking of legends, this is our legendary.

I don't think so, honey. So this is the sort of what would we say about the point of the show where things get a little hot. This is the point of the show where you know, things are said that can't be taken back. We take big swings with our opinions and we we go for it, just like Jones. Um. This is our segment where we take one minute each to rail against something in culture while saying the words I don't think so, honey, So stupid Matt and I will go first, and then Uncle will go. Um, we'll

choose a topic. Uh, Matt, do you have one? I you know I was gonna do. Uh. I don't think so, honey, Tom Cruise Stanners, but not. But I have something else. It's it's ripe in the culture and I can't speak to it. Okay, all right, this is Matt Rodgers's I don't think so, honey, And as time starts now, I don't think so honey. Ben Affleck and Jennifer Lopez critics, Let them get They're not, you know what, they've both been fucking through it. Let them get their nut with

each other, if that's what they want to do. If Jennifer Lopez, after all of this, after missing out on the Oscar nomination for Hustlers, after these flop therrages, after this flop boyfriend Arad, who I'm sorry is a flop, let her get her fucking nut. Let her return to the guy who gave her her best nut, because guess what if that's Ben Affleck, that's fine. And guess what look am I like a bed Affleck? Stand? I am not?

But I don't think so, honey, anyone telling me he can't put it down, because I'm bet when he gets to it in the bedroom he is a one track mine, especially when he has some of those cold brews. You see him carrying from the dunkin Donuts. You know the guy has slowed up. I don't think so, honey. Anyone being like, oh, why is she going back to him? Bitch? You know you're not in the bed with them. Let her get her fucking nuts, trying from the black like Jenny on this cop be a black cock. I don't

think so, honey. Everything else, And that's one man. I'm sitting here trying to think of who the funk I'm gonna talk about. And I was fascinated with his toyell like that telling you. I'm just saying, like, like people are, like they were photographed looking sad together in a fucking truck in Montana. I'm like, they're sad because you're following them. They're way to get their nuts. They're not smiling yet. I agree, I agree, Yeah, Bowen is shaking his finger. No,

I'm an agreement. I think you let them figure it out. And sometimes these like these crazy just phantoms of love's past come come like creeping back into your Those are

the hottest ones. Honestly all the time. When whenever you get out of a relationship, like it's one of the it's one of those like things you can't explain, Like you do think about your exes and you're like, fuck, I'm sort of horny for my ex even if one of the reasons why you broke up is because that wasn't really popping off you still afterward you miss what you had. It's always it's like, well, some I don't

know my experience anyway. It's just like there are guys that I've hooked up with in the past, like years and years and years ago, where I was just like that was only fine. Now I see them, I'm horny. Really, yes, I don't know what it is. It's the patina. No, I just I look at anybody that I bet, well most of them are dad, but the ones that aren't, I just kind of go dodge that fucking bullet, like thank God, like, oh, I was right, you know that

kind of a thing. Yeah, yeah, but sometimes even that discussed that, like I was right, like this guy, there's there's no one that you're like, oh, the one that got away no one, I mean except uncle, except my uncle, but that was a different story. But I'm from the South, so it's accepted. Well that's how you learned. Yeah, don't don't use your teeth, kid. Yeah, some of myself, some of my worst kids, some of my worst relationships are like lacks thereof like terrible like excuses for things. I'm

like despite myself, I don't know what this is. Again, need therapy bad dot com like I need. But sometimes I'm just like for that horny, for that bad situation. Oh god, that way I gotta think about. For what the funk am I going to talk about? Well we have we have Bowen Yang's in the interim. I'm gonna pulling out my ass too. It's fine, don't worry about Okay, hot hot, He's pulling alright. So Bowen, here's the deal. This right out of your ass? Two on the airwaves

is Bowen Yang's. I don't think so, honey. His time starts now. I don't think so, honey. My performance in Girls five ever, I watched myself back and I thought, oh, I'm really gassing it. What am I doing with my mouth? Why did I carry? Why did I like why where's my center of gravity in this scene? And like why why? Like I truly SNL has cursed me. I'm sorry to talk about to talk shop and talk about work, and I hate like just being like this, but like SNL

has truly cursed me. I can't do anything but go big and I'm I'm only used to reading things off of a Q card anywhere else the credits are non transferable when you work there. How am I going to bring this anywhere else I go? I've been sucked over by this, this place of work. I don't know how to behave on a normal set. When when like his fancy cameras pointed at me, like a steady cameras pointed at me or something or a crane or whatever, I

shut down. I shut down when it's on my coverage, I go, wait, I forgot when I'm I forgot how to behave Um, So I don't think so many of my performance and girls, you were great on it. You were so going on that and also the show because we would you kind of breeze pass it in the beginning because like it's me now, I know you're like insecure about it. The show is so I have not watched it, but yes, okay, I will put it. It's

called Girls five ev It's on Peacock. It's about a group of women in their forties who there there there used to be a pop group and then and then they were in the nineties and like a rapper samples one of their their one hit song and so it gets famous, and so they try to mount a comeback, and it's so funny. It's like Tina Fey and Robert Carlac executive Meredith Knats a creator are good dear friend, Matt Whittaker and Anna Dressing and they wrote for it.

And I will say this, the cast is unbelievable. I love I love everyone, Renee Lease Goldsberry. I have to.

I have to give it all the way up because it's like it's like it's like Jane Kurkowski on thirty Raw, but a pop star diva version of it, but the grounded and developed in a very good way and with with the character and like I gotta say, just like being in the room and just watching her give certain line means I was like and then just everybody at a village sorry again talking shop, everyone at village just quietly laughing. I was like, this is like she should

have been doing this for years. For years, she nailed it and there's nothing she can't do, you know. She started in soaps, and I actually knew her because I was like the little faggot because that was like watching all my children with my mother, and so I used to watch the daytime Emmy's and one year on the Daytime Emmys, they brought out like, here are the soap stars that you didn't know could sing, and one of them was Renee at Last Goldsberry and her voice was

so beautiful I never forgot it. So then years decades later, when she was in Hamilton's being in jenicas Adelica s Guyler, I was like, oh my god, I remember her from Sucking One Life to Live. Yeah, we made costumes. We made costumes for her for Color Purple on Broadway the first time because because I worked at a Broadway costume house. So yeah, that was that. That's where I first was

introduced to a beautiful girl. She is stunning and she is she looks amazing and there's she she I'm telling you, she know so much of this comedy. I I could do the thing where I say some of the jokes, but I won't ruin it for anyone that's listening, like, because it's just these jokes are so good and you forget how much you miss jokes. I miss jokes and comedy shows like. It's fine that people are like, I like this sweet show, I like told a fun story.

I miss jokes. I want jokes. This show gives you jokes. Um love it, love it, love it, love it. And also the other women are amazing. To Sarah Brella's incredible Busy Phillips, we love you, Busy. You gotta come on, Paula Pell, You're a fucking icon. I mean, like, it's just, oh my god. Anyway, and you were and you were great. My sister was the whole guest star of episode six and you were stunning. Bitch, you were fab and you're very talented young girl, and you have a big future,

a big future. Thank you. Thank you for your consideration. Best supporting actor in a comedy series, Boon Yang. Yes, perfect, Now for your conservation and so so now is that do we have something? Bianca? Yeah, I think I can go with this. I'll try because I really haven't been mad at anything at the moment. But yeah, okay, This is Bianca del Rio's I don't think so, honey, her sides. Now, I don't think so, honey. This whole thing with the

fucking Kardashians, I'm done with them. First of all forty two seasons, this useless family that's taking all this goddamn money. The bottom line is that this girl goes and fox this guy in a sex tape, and all of a sudden, before that she was actually doing closets for Paris Hilton. She makes a fucking sex tape, she becomes a star. You don't have any fucking sex tapes I've made, and I'm doing this shitty fucking podcast with you. Do you

understand how fun that that is? Do you know how about I've had to take for this situation, Not to mention, she gets the whole family involved, and now once a supermodel, one's a guru on a book about losing weight when everything is fucking plastic. I don't understand this anymore. This is where the whole family looks like drag queens with lots of money. I don't understand it. But they've become the voice of reason. See, I don't think so, honey.

The problem is now they're having children that are on top of this, the children would benefit from this bullshit. None of them really have any talent other than sucking dick, and they've shown that to us in the videos that exist. But I don't understand the insanity and the infastuation with it. Now. I don't particularly like them, but I don't spend my time going online complaining about them like everybody else does. But I also don't want to praise them either, because

they're useless sucking horse. Those are the people that you would see in a clinic and not my style. That's that's one minute. That isause I don't think so many you know what, it's actually a rule of culture number fourteen. Actually before that she was doing. It's true though, and it's just it blows my mind that when people go like if I say they have no talent, people up, they're rich. I go, well, I'm not denying their success.

Lots of people are successful and can be completely fucking useless. Look at Roquel Welch. But in the end, you like this bitch, that's a RuPaul reference. That's like way google Roquell. Well, but you're safe for us. But it's that kind of a thing where everybody's like, but she's pretty sure. I'm not saying she's an ugly bitch and with her money, she's should look that good. But in the end, I don't find that validity or worth or any to give

me talent. I'd rather be there talent. They're not talented. It's it's it's like Bethany Frankel effective not talented. And how many shows is she gonna get every fucking day new show? Is she the only white bitch that exists? Like? What is going on here? She had a show Bravo. I'm just I don't get it, because there's so many talented people that could be in that position, you know. But and we now are dealing with the fact that, you know, Caitlyn Jenner is running I will say it again,

she's running for governor. You should have seen her on not that I watched this, but I watched it on the Young Turks, like they showed some clips of Caitlin Genner on Hannity, and so it was so it was so just the first thought, dumb thing you think she's gonna say, which is, why do we need a harsh speed rare we need or where everyone get on a plane like it's like you're a fucking eight out of touch, out of touch, and it's fascinating that it's fascinating that

this is even a topic. And if you say anything, someone's like, well, you can't say anything. No, you can. You can say I always say people like it doesn't affect me if you have a problem with me. But if it's a political figure or someone that you're supposed to vote for, if this is a person you know on a pedestal, yeah, it's gonna be a bit difficult. And with someone like that, you're running from governor, for

Christ's sake. What the fuck? I was I was talking to my friend today, I mean, don't you bring back Madonna? But like he was bringing up how recently someone asked Miley Cyrus about what she thought about what Madonna said about, you know, when she was in the tub, being like COVID's the great equalizer, Miley, do you agree? And then Miley is like, of course whatever, like no, it's not because some people have it worth. But then like my friend was like, why does that? Why do we care?

What like Miley and we love Miley Madonna, But it's like, but why are they supposed to like be the voice of reason, yeah, exactly, or just like just give out some like bit of like social commentary when it's like they're not empower it's like there are there are people who are like vying for it, like let's say Caitlin General, Like we should probably examine what they're saying in a way that is like that should be examined and not like taking cover behind some identity politic thing of like

well she's trans. It's like that she's a rich white woman who is a narcissist and who only cares about herself and her money. That's that's just that's the bottom line. Like well, don't you saw the whole joke, which was like you know that they said that the trans youth shouldn't be in the specific you know games, so they couldn't have other trans people. But yeah, she performs in golf tournaments and she It's like, well, that's the typical

Republican double standard. But you're she competes against women, girl, girl, I don't think so, honey, no, no, no, hot box of Christmas ship. That's what that is. It's just the fact that we're even discussing it just makes you go after we had Trump, We're going down this path another reality stock girl by girl. No you say it can't get worse, and no, I can't this. I hope this

runoff thing um with Javin Newsom doesn't. It's like, I mean, Matt, you brought it up that it might actually pay, It might actually create some opportunity for Caitlin Well, because this is the really all it really comes down to is what it always comes down to, is just us that if it does. If this is the case, then people just need to go out there and vote, And if people go out there and vote, then the numbers won't lie. More people are there's just a lot more Democrats in

California than there are Republicans. I guess. I just hope that people that are critical of of Newsom, which you know, there are many reasons to be many valid reasons to be critical of Gavin Newsom. You know, it could be much much worse, and I hope that people that are critical of him just understand that, Um, you know, we could get ourselves into a very bad situation if we sucked this up. So that's that's that's all, without a doubt,

without a doubt. Um, but Jesus Christ, I mean this episode, Bow, what a fantastic episode. How who who are the lucky Fucker's it's us, It's rolling through. It was like a Jerry was telethon. It was three hours of seven minute Well that's another reference. That's for older people. You know you're safe with us. Yeah, you're safe with us. We're French, we were French. We love Jerry Lewis, um we um. Were so flattered and honored to have you talked to.

Thank you for having me. And I'm excited because we'll be doing something soon for the White which is happening soon. Yeah, so I'm excited. They have me doing this like pressing in the Chelsea Pere. They have me like we're shooting something. Okay, they're calling me. I'm not doing any of that. That's what you gotta do, bo. Whenever you're complaining, let me tire. You're gonna take a page from younger. Just don't answer

the phone. Yeah no, I didn't get that offer. I think I've just said two episodes, so I I know they've got some stuff work that. I'm not sure what it is. I think it's all virtual that I'm doing. Um, but I'm excited to for the best. Yeah, because I love for Alan so much. Yeah, oh my god, Alan

Cumming directed it. I mean you and I. You and I had some like really we had to like they had You and I acted opposite each other because like we had to sort of create this chemistry because we were because our characters are friends and I. I've listened to some episodes really really fun, really fun. Excited. I haven't heard anything yet. I'm excited. Yeah, that's good. It's gonna be good. It's gonna be a good time, but most fun to listen to the Bianca del Rio podcast

on Starburns New episodes Thursdays. Yes, every Thursday, I have a new episode and and in the next two weeks, I've got some good announcements coming up. So so stay tuned. That that's my exclusive preview of preview preview. Yeah, it's my pre come. Yeah, it's coming. And we love the taste of that, don't you all Right? Well, thank you so so much for coming here and doing this, and bowen. As always, we end with a song, don't we king we do nice to say that the best RUS song,

I say it's the best other than Supermodel. I would have to agree that those other champion anthem fuck a reason between now I don't care about, but the best drag race era yes I was, of course, No, the best one is if I dream. Just kidding, all right, thank you