"Hoopin N' Hollerin" (w/ Sarah Squirm)

Monday brain? I've got Monday brain. I had a sorry to be a millennial I had I had the Sunday is scary? What happened on Sunday? Nothing? Nothing happened on Sunday. It was just that that that like the anxiety thing of like lying in bed on on Sunday night. Oh no, and I this is so hack. We can't talk about it. I just didn't sleep well last Nay. And so of course today I'm like, I don't know if anything's right. It's because you were partying yesterday party of Stories. I

saw you at the Tide thing. I saw you Joel Joel Kim Booster wanted to go for a couple of hours we said yes, Joel. Joel told us to go, and then as we left, he said, um. I was like, well, at least that was safe, and he goes, yeah, but it's like outdoor transmission isn't not a thing? And I was like, then, why did you tell me to go to the damn party? Well, now you have to be quarantined because you have the big film coming up. I have the big film coming up. Yeah I did. I

did realize today. I was like, we gotta we gotta perm it up. Yeah, batting down the hatches. I'm coming to New York for an undisclosed reason, and I'm also going to be quarantined. I love that. And I'm just gonna sort of be there for undisclosed reason which is sort of not been announced, and I'll be quarantining myself, but I will see my sister. Are you excited to see me? How much one through ten? It is? The meter is a oh can do you see the meter?

I'm showing you the meter right now on the zoom meter. The dial is fucked up. Food bar as they would say, oh my god, shaking our guest, shake your head because of food bar, Because well I'm excited to see you too very much, and excited to come back to New York. I feel like I just got back to l a world wind trip back to New York, and here we go. We're gonna We're gonna be New Yorkers together. Oh my god. You know, I I think New York might be might be over soon. I think New York would be done.

Thank you. You have to stay there for so long as a cast member of the big show that takes place there. So how do you feel about being in such a dead fucking city, as per your own words? I don't because I'm telling you, I'm like depressed on a Monday. I think I lolome to being a millennial faga I was speaking of that I got. We have to check in on on on Matt. Current events are happening as we speak, we speak, and fucking Matt Damon's only realized a couple of months ago, in the year

of our Lord One. You can't say faggot because he said it at a dinner table as a joke and his daughter was mortified. He said, what do you mean? I said it on and stuck on you And we're and we're supposed to think that that's like an okay reason talking about Stuck on You, like it's like Broke Back Mountain, Like it's a document we have to look back on and say, like, yes, this, this point's true North,

Like it's the movie Stuck on You. Just because you said it and the movie stuck on You, it doesn't mean that you can say it now. I think it. The only way it would have been okay for him to bring up stuck on You would have been to say Greg Kenear and I had anal sex. Yeah, I can say it. And I've been like, yes, you can't say it. Had him and Greg Knear when they sort of got their prosthetic off because they famously played and

joined twins in the movie. Yes, this is a movie that he held up in high regard, and he did play conjoined twins with Greg Emir. I mean, had they fucked on the movie set, and that's been part of the sort of discussion at the dinner table. Then he could say it all he wants. You have you have Azalea Banks rights. You can say it, Azalia Banks rights. So that's actually a really culture number one. Azalia Banks rights means you well, gosh, I mean, we don't really

have to discuss that we would flopped by on a behavior. Well, we hope that Mr Damon, you know, we give him an entrepremental space to learn and grow, and I hope you know in this little I mean, but in that piece, I guess like that the guy who wrote that that profile or whatever it was, opens with you know, he Matt Damon's candor is that he says things that are like he kind of rattles things off as if to you know, make a headline. He's kind of like, sure, no,

I no, it's it's it's whatever I mean. But it's just I think we just give him this time now to hopefully I don't want to say learn and grow because they feel like that's just not that those words have been um rendered meaning less maybe since last summer. But we we we wish, we wish him the best. Truly, all he had to do was say nothing or just be like make jokes about Ben Affleck and and j Lo and like things would have been fine. But here's

the thing about Matt Damon. He constantly speaks out of turn, like no one asked for him to say this. He kind of just offered it, just like no one at like he remember when he sort of fell for that trick that the reporter was it was like in the midst of me too, and this one reporter was like, okay, so in time I love such a such a time, a whirlwind culture shift, you know, And so remember when he sort of fell for that reporter being like, so in your opinion, what me too is our well what

what men should we be? Like let him off and what men should we be? Like? Oh no, what they did was really bad? And he did literally be like, Okay, well, Harvey Weinstein's bad, but like this person is not so bad, but this person is bad. Like he literally like went in like as if we wanted to hear from him. He totally fell for it. So I just think, like, just just don't talk as much, Like you didn't need to say faggot, this is this is something that we all can learn from. We can all just do less.

We need new celebrities. I think I've been saying it for years. I think we need new all new celebrities. Sometimes I think about like who we've been talking about for so long, and I'm like, we need a new slate of famous people. I'm done. I I can't talk about these people anymore. Our guest is absolutely raving. I offer up our guests as one of the culture makers new celebrity, new celebrity, literally new face. We have to congratulate the US on getting JFL new faces for stand up. Well,

I want to hear all about how it went. I want to hear all about how it went okay, and then and then you must everyone must watch her new visual feast especial if you want to call it that, it's hard to categorize. And that is what our guest does so well. It's called the Sarabac Team. It's on Means TV work, her own streaming service. We love that. Did you hear that Megan McCain dragged Kathy Griffin today?

Our producer Megan McCoy dragged I just but did you see the news that she like dragged Kathy Griffin today? Because well, Kathy Griffin she has cancer, and so they brought that up on the view and Megan McCain said, I think it's terrible that she has cancer. One time she made fun of my best friend who's like my brother, Clay Akin, for being gay, and this was like it really hurt him and her best friend well, Clay Akin

is Megan McCain's best friend, so she says. So. Then after all that, Clay posted a photo of Cathy Griffin and him on Twitter like hugging, and he was like love Kathy Griffin, nothing but light and support. And one time she even hosted a charity for me, and like, I just thought it was so funny, like two women are fighting over Clay Aiken in this in this year of our Lord. I think I think Heathy Griffin isn't

fighting with anyone I should. I think she simply came out and announced that she has lung cancer, and I think all we needed to do with support her. But that's not what our producer Megan McCain did. She said, sad that she has cancer. But I don't like her because one time, twenty years ago, she dragged my friend Clay Aiken for being gay, which is like, hello, fun was her last day when I thought it was supposed

to be Friday, but apparently she's back this week. And then Mary Trump came on to promote her new book and Megan McCain sat out the interview, and Mary Trump called her out on are for being a coward and not wanted to do the interview with her. So there was drama today, even in Megan McCain's last week. I think Megan is Megan is part of the people who just need to be replaced celebrity. So you do agree, we all we need all these celebrities. I didn't disagree

when you when you mentioned that earlier, you were hesitant. No, not at all. I proposed I yes and did even you can do with comedy the best thing you're gonna do in comedies. It's a real culture. It's really culture number seven, the best thing you can do. Yes, yes, and and when I yes and did you, I said, our guest deserves to be in the new slate, on the new roster. Just such such a fantastic multi talented artist of visual art, genius, practical gore body, horror savant um.

Please check out the Saravaccine on means tv UM and JFL new Face, Powerhouse, powerhouse performer and part of the wonderful collective health Trap Nightmare. They just moved from Chicago to l A. We're so happy to have her. Everyone, Please welcome. Say eras O, you're laughing at my ass off, I see you. I didn't see you make a peep. I didn't. I thought you were frowning and judging. I was whooping and hollering, whooping, hollering. It's literally a front

runner of the title about literally, do you play basketball? Really? Not? Remember day in my hoof you seem like you could play ball. You seem like you could ball. You really do? Because have six ft one Yeah? Never never. You act like you've never seen the girl. She stands at five ft seven. I'm gonna say, am I am? I correct nice for you to say it is five ft five, but I do find myself more imposing than five ft five.

I remember you as like a five nine girl. I'm gonna say, I remember you being a little taller than me, or you know, you made me feel small, which is what every game man wants to feel. And I'm annoying, so my energy shoot upwards. You have a you have a resonant, annoying energy that goes right through your head. I have the same thing. Hello, do you think you you I self identify as annoying. Absolutely, I'm trying. I

think we should proclaim the title. Oh that's that's so powerful, Like, oh, I'm like I walk into a room and you're gonna be piste off in ten minutes because I'm here. But you're able to, like you're able to like refract it through like a little prism that you're like you're self aware of, and like it comes up as like, oh, but she's like cool, like she like she can do like she can she can challenge that this voice or whatever. Like I feel like that's like the Sarah squirm, Like,

you know what, cool annoying girl. It's honestly so nice of you to say. But then when someone is performing annoying and they're self aware of it, it almost makes you chaotic evil because you know how annoying you're being, and yet nevertheless she persists, you don't you don't use your powers for good, you in fact inflicted on the people watching. I think all three of us can be called empoweringly annoying. We can. It's it's like, I I'm okay with being annoying. What's the what do you all?

What do you both think is the most annoying thing about you? If you're to self examine first, I fucking use like awful vocabulary words like sah t, words that no one above the age of seventeen should ever use. That's my disease. I think I'm annoying because I often make things about myself and um feel the need to perform at all times and what would be considered relentlessly um uh, sort of needing to be the center of attention.

So that's okay, I've follow up to that. But okay, interesting, Sarah, what about you? I would say that I'm annoying because I need to look like a clown who just hopped right out the clown car all times, all eyes on me in the center of a ring, just like, what's your follow up? My follow up is, Okay, how do you guys feel about this statement? From like like uh, someone who comes in and is like, I don't know,

you guys do too many bits. It's like it's hard to hang out around comedy people because it's all the time. I think we've been on I think we've all been on both sides of that though, right, Like we've all been in a rumor like this is too much, I don't like this, and then we've all been on the side of it where it's like we're doing we're engaging in the bit to read, right, Yeah, I think that

I've definitely. Like I used to date someone who often was not comfortable around the comedian group of friends because there was a lack of I guess, genuine conversation or like maybe it was kind of taking over and I was just like, yeah, but sometimes sometimes you got to just go for it to entertain yourself. I don't know. I when people are like I, I the one person who was left out of this didn't feel right about it, I'm like, well, then maybe this isn't the space for you,

right that. If I feel left out of something, I'll be like, cool, I'm not going to do that again. I don't know. I don't say. I have noticed there are people who run their stage bits on you and conversation. That's awful. I hate that. And you can tell because it's like a little too built out and the references are a little two pointed and they're positive for laughs, Yeah, they're holding a microphone at the restaurant. I think it's fine if someone's doing a bit and then they discover

something and then later you see it on stage. But if you've sort of seen it on stage and then it happens to you in real life, that's spooky. That's that's like scary. That's really tough. Ever been at a show and someone's performing and they're like, so I was talking about my friend the other day and then blah blah blah blah x y z And then you're like, I'm the friend from the other day. Oh chilling. Um,

that is chilling. You have goose bumps. You're pointing to your damn arm, damn arm, and you guys want to know what goose bumps is in French and I think it's so fucking cool. Oh my god. He's like sort of circling back to the thing he said about himself that is annoying and bravely going there. No, that's a that's a vote. Now I'm talking about like s a T words. This is a French translate. This is another language,

so it's totally different. It's not annoying entertainment in France because growing up you would read goose Bumps and then you read the French version in Canada and in Quebec and it would be che the pool. But speaking of Montreal, Sarah tell us all about the wonderful festival just for laughs. Well,

your girl Sarah did the festival just for laughs. In Los Angeles in a room full of own the industry people, and after I got on stage, every comedian came up to me and said, it looked like you did fifteen minutes. If there's sort of five, did you go over? In fact, we haven't performed in a while. My biological clock thob I would say, I didn't, dudean, you wouldn't know if you did fifteen, I would wait. Okay, So I did see the light. And for those listening, light sometimes means

to what did they did? They tell you explicitly what the light was, so they go, they go this, they go, red light, you got a minute left, flashing red light, it's time to go off. I'm there, I'm having I'm whooping and holler. I'm really so, I'm like, I don't wait for the flesh to happen. Never see the flow. And this is true, you're not gas lighting. No, I saw the light and then they never flash it. Emergency emergency. We you were the police were getting off the same Yeah,

you gotta go. Yeah. I didn't get the scolding light, and I almost got the I only got the courtesy light. Yeah, that's though. I did six and then I get off and and one of our dear friends, who shall remain nameless, said something to the effective felt like ten say their names, say their name? What who cares? Who was it? Drag Sydney who has never been on time to anything? Like I'm sorry, no, no really? Also what Sydney has never gone over ys, never run the run the come on?

I don't say this. I wish she would have because I like to see her perform. That's what I'm saying. It's like if you run the light. It's like they should be so lucky. You're up there for double the time you're supposed to. You guys are playing me X. Meanwhile, I'm giving you two X, I'm giving you three X. That's saying you're giving an arc mama. And it's so funny because like I was a comedian in Chicago for like three d four thousand, five hundred years. Now I'm

forty nine years old. It is true, how it's those things are so important then and then yeah, it's it's funny, isn't it? And now you did it? And now it's like over and it's over and and you know what my and you know what someone said to me, I go, they go, how is the how was JFL I go, fine, they go, You know what, if you bombed, then the show would have been important. But you crush the house down. YEA. Saying that it's fine is probably the best fucking outcome. Yeah,

that's good job. And if I don't see twenty million in the bank by two years from now, then the festival needs nothing. I can tell you. I went in and it was years before i'd see it was years. Forty years had to pass for I said, my bank account finally reached twenty mill And you're also forty nine years I'm forty nine. Well, busy, Phillips math, I'm forty nine, sitting in front of sitting in front of a roth, Go, Sarah, did you paint all this yourself? The mural? It's gorgeous.

I mean I went insane over the pandemic. Well, my mind did. To our right is a t mural of eyeballs. And that's a door you can't tell. Oh my god, I love that you painted the door. That's hot a square eyeball. But you've never seen one of those before. Well maybe in some SpongeBob square pants. Maybe it's some random universe forever. Yeah, maybe in some rand other universe, like a cartoon or something in the Lego movie. Certainly never on this plane. You guys, we laughed so hard

or being stupid, being the most stupid creatures. Tell us the funniest thing you've ever seen? Serious, Yeah, tell us the one moment you laughed the most like, and then we'll both we'll all say the funniest thing we literally ever seen. Yeah, Okay, it's really I can't describe it. Okay, wait, matt you're from Long Island. Oh yeah, we have a lot to talk about schedule over the next hour. Yeah,

we'll get there, Sleepy if Mattress company exists. Yeah, I don't know if it's actually it's one of those things where it's like that could be a local thing or a national thing. I don't know, but it felt it certainly felt very local. Well, this is when I go, Okay, Hi, my name is Sarah Nicole. I'm going to open a mattress store. What do I call it? Sleep He's yeah, millions? That really works. Okay, So, how was this the funniest

thing You've ever seen? When I was like him, and there was a Sleepy's commercial on the television and there was a kid jumping on his bed so crazy. So hi, Oh my god, that is so funny thinking about a kid jumping on their beds so crazy. Literally, I'm laughing, what are you talking about? I am the laughing my ass off l m A oh laugh, my fucking ass off, like boying boying boy And he was like jumping on his sleeping match just crazy. Oh my god, he lost his absolute mind? Was he like a kid? He was

like a little tiny guy. And then I like, can't even okay, Well, the punchline is he's mactress crazy style and the SATs go boying, boing boying. That's the before the sleepy mattress. Oh my god, yeah, sleepy mattress. He's okay. That is literally so funny, and we lost because of it. What happens the sleepy is bad. That's literally one of the funniest things I've ever heard. Alright, So I want to I want to hear the end of that, but there can keep going on. The sleepy mattress and the

kids jumping on the bed crazy style. Instantly falls asleep. Minute years later, I was woken awake in the night. That's three, all right, and I was like, I need to find this commercial from my and I found it. Oh God, you'll have to polist when this episode so everyone can can see is this a cartoon boy or a real boy? And that's the thing, it's a real boy. Oh I drinking. Surely in my head I thought it had to be a cartoon boy because what you were

describing was just so funny. You can't go because I'm gonna do too too, because I realized I have too that it's so tired, it's so tired. Wait, can everyone do their once so I can find the exact person, last name of the person who said, all right, do

you want to go first? I have? Well, okay, so I had to do this thing, uh for uh where I had to I had to find I'd sift through old photos and that and what I did before I deleted Facebook like five years ago, is just like download it all my old photos, saved them on this drive and then I looked through my old profile picks and remember, like two thousand nine was such a dark period in

Facebook culture. Do you guys remember this? And it was like right around like probably when I discovered Reddit, and like it was just like random you know, like random mass photos that made you laugh even though like nothing was really happening in them. And have you guys seen the photo of the Llama or the I'll pack it with no legs, and and it was just like a lump.

It's just a worm, like a furry worm. That's it's an l and like it's it's And I think that, and I looked back that I was like I back then thought it was the funniest thing I'd ever seen in my life. And now I look at it, I feel nothing, and I'm like I was, I was a disgusting person in two thousand nine. No, that is so funny. The ll pack up. It's only a body and a worm, a fuzzy worm. That was literally so funny. It's a blest of me that that's my number. Random humor. It's

random humor, Random humor. Bring back random humor, Matt, what's we need to bring back random? Okay? So I I have to um, they're sort of like both musical sequences in film. So, first of all, my runner up is in Muppet Treasure Islands when they're taking the roll call and they cut to this one gorgeous woman and she says, I she's literally so beautiful playing with gender. Yes, it really was so shocking and the head laugh. And in that same movie, Um, that's my runner up, and my

one from muppetres Island is the cabin Fever sequence. You ever seen Muppe Treasure Island when they do where you got Kevin Fever? Anyway, that I probably watched a million times. And also the Dulach song from the song went from that, the little like when they opened the box and the Dulach song happens. Yes, I know the whole thing perfect that. I think I watched that a million. Yeah, and they did this play where it's like, um, your shoes up your face. Yeah, that was so funny. It is literally

the fuck up Shrek holds the key. It's actually Ruler culture number fifty. Shrek holds to humor, stinky onions. That's right. Yeah, there was. There was not a scene in Shrek that wasn't so funny. Absolutely, I'm making waffles. Oh please. When he said I'm making waffles, I was like, that is hilarity, Sarah, what's your second thing? Well, then in the time I also thought of I thought of two more things that

are really funny. I've never both more. I did not Bragg I did a show at the Hollywood Improv I've ever heard of it last week in a comic known as wing Fetterman, he's one shouts out to you, shouts out to sucking you, gets on stage and he says, you know what comedy? If I can make one person in this room laugh, oh, would sucked. They're like forty people in there. That's really I would suck. There's like

forty people, inaire. I love that he would shoot himself, and I had to think that that's that's my impression of wife delivered it much better. And I've never seen the man's comedy, but my impression of him can't be right either. And you're gonna see him and you're gonna be laughing. I'll be laughing my ass off. And then the other joke that I just thought of that this is actually the funniest joke of all time from the Three Amigos, and they're like, oh, is that that's a

male plane? And someone else goes, how can you tell? Can't you see his little balls? Oh? Man? Really good reaction out of you guys. But no, it's okay. You have to hear it from the horse's mouth. Bowen, what's your second what's your second funniest thing you ever heard? Mine? Mine is like, I think it's something from like the south Park movie when like like Hussein pulls out his dick or something, I don't know, Like that was like as a kid, I was like, that's the funniest thing. Absolutely.

Also remember in Team America World Police when they had the really long sex scene and the puppets were like fucking Also when that movie started and the puppets started to come out, I literally me and my cousin were screaming, laughing, rolling on the floor of the fucking sticky theater. It was we couldn't believe that was the movie. Wait, um no, okay, I have I have I have a third thing. I

have a third thing. And this because because the Team American thing reminded me of this in the Reno nine one one Miami and the movie the best movie of all time, the best there's there's like a whole scene where like Um, Jim Dangling, Treaty White Belt, Um Carry Kenny Silver and Thomas London's characters are are in the

motel about to have sex. They start to look up and then it cuts to this, guys, what I'm talking about its insane sex between two people with incredible bodies, and then and then it pulls out to the wide and it's these two other people and the guy says, oh my god, someone's filming. I've never seen it, but I'm laughing. It's so good across the board. Everyone in the movie is so funny. Carry Kenny Silver kills it.

When you see Nash is unbelievable. There's a rock. The rock is in it for like two seconds and then explodes like it's so good. Also, Paul Rudd has a cameo and it's just it is so pupidus and it's so dumb. And I used to I used to like watch that get it again and again and think, why aren't more people talking about this. We've had to talk about it on this pod before. I don't think we've really talked about it anyway. It's so funny. I did three mat what what do you have a third one?

Do I have a third one? Oh my god? I mean when I saw adult ziem happen, I do. I've never felt like that before. I I would describe it as beyond euphoric, like it felt like it felt like it's something happened to my body where like I've I don't know if I'll ever replicate how how much joy I got from watching him say Adele does em and then the cut to her and I just I've never And that was the number one moment in a culture history, of course, but it bears repeating because it really was

was so freaking funny. Sarah has her hand raised that I'm calling on you, Yes, Sara in a can I pose a counter to that? Yeah, I'm gonna do impression of this really important. I mean, if that's going to be the number one in culture history, there's gonna be a saren iCal number one history. I'm gonna do an impression of it, and you guys have to guess what it is. And I actually hope you've discussed this onrong this podcast, as it is a cultural touchdown. Okay, okay,

Oh my god, I'm so excited. Yeah, the grape stomping lady something. Oh and it sucks because you know she's in a lot of pain. But oh no, is that true? I think like her like she cracked a rib and it like fully impaled her alone. That's why she sounds like it's not quite that but she was. She was I think she was hospitalized, but she also sucked. She was such she was such a little piece of ship. And the lead up to that, they were like, stop

stomping in the grape did she a little stomping? No? No, no? Yeah. Well, and then in the lead up there, like they cut to her from like the news desk and she's like, Okay, we're here at the winery. What are we doing? Like she just like was such a fucking, fucking dumbass. I don't know. I would also like that mat has his hands raised. Yeah. I would like to say another really funny thing that happened, which was one of the funniest things ever that ever happened, which is Scarlett takes a

tumble when Scarlett maybe we kiddy to kidther. Yeah there were look boom boom boom. Oh no, she she posted it. It It was like l O L. She thought it was so funny. Scarlett was unlike the grapes something lady, not critically injured like she She moved on and got the humor of it. But I just couldn't believe that someone would set up and record themselves singing so seriously, and then the way it fell. Oh my god, Sarah Sarah something else, Yeah, she had. I would also like

to propose another really funny moment that happened in culture. Yes, of course, of course you have your hand raised. I like to call on you. This is classic, this and this is there's nothing more two thousand nine than this mhm. Sitting on the toilet. Oh yeah, sitting on the toilet. Yeah, honestly that was viable videos like nothing happened and one thing happens in them. And now it's like on TikTok you get full stories and ship and like it's so

like rich and like so much. It's so dense. But like back in the day, early viral video days like double Rambo, we wouldn't shut the funk up about it for like two months. No, yeah, we also bowing. I mean, you know, what's really still the test of time? You know what? I like, the most parts gets done? How am I? And this is my counterpoint to the tock of it all parts sitting on the turtlet. We're talking about moments in time. We're sheer total violence that happens spontaneously.

We question authenticity with we question We'll never have a lemon party again. I think we're past Lemon party or like your girls remember like true Girls One Cup, like where you were like, I don't think we'll ever have like shock moments like that ever Again on the internet. I have to say I've never I've never been able to get through two girls one cup. Why not king shaming, You're king shaming. They're enjoying it. I know they're enjoying it,

and I celebrate them. I just when I tried to watch it, it was like it was okay, no, I can't even talk about it as you can see, how do you say goose bumps? Again? I know I had shelled the pool everywhere when I tried to watch that myself is my pronunciation? Good shall the pod? Yeah that's really good. You guys are really good, either of you. And I'm serious about this grew up? No girl, girl? What was that time either of you in earnest and serious? Yeah?

YouTube searched epic fail. Oh my god. I can tell you our college pals and this includes like you know probably right, yeah, this is like this is like and a Dresden Andrew Farmer, Like are that little coterie of people when we were all, like, you know, in school together like we would just go to each other's dorms or apartments and then like look up epic failed and they're still cut they're still cutting them together. It'll be like best Epic Fails Q one one, like they're common compilations.

The compilations are nuts or the their themes like you know, sled epic fails, dog water epic fail. You know, like all these so many categories, so many verticals of epic fails. And I mean it's a whole like sector of the Internet that's still thriving as much as we're like, oh, epic fails, remember those? So for me it was like probably like three years ago as recent. I know that that seems recent, but as recent as three years ago.

What about you? I'm begging both of you on your hands, on my hands, and goddamnnews, I am in treating you. This is something I did at a low point in the pandemics. I don't I'm not too proud to say I have and you YouTube fail and no, what did you do? Oh no, I'm gonna say estimate the humble estimate, three hour minimum, great news anchor film, Oh I love news anchor fails. Also, like when they accidentally say like fag and they're trying to stay flag and starry flat one.

The one news anchor Field rued to roll up. All we all are an agreement on what that is, right, we say it because it's escaping me. And I'll say, do you know what I'm about to say? Like the ultimately yeah, yeah, yeah, no no, no no, no, it's next definitely have the person who climbed the highest mount into the world, Mount Everest. But he's gay. Excuse me, he's he's but he's gay. No, no, he's blind gay, it's really but he's gay. Oh my god. No, No,

he's blind. I'm sorry, he's blind. Her trying to save it. No, so he's blind. So we're here. We'll hear more on that later. And didn't she come back? After the break? I was like, I'm so sorry. I think I said he's gay, but you know he is blind and he's here, Sarah, what were you malving? What were you molding? I couldn't make it out, make it back to the microphone that

come back? Come back? Interesting is that you? You know you said I I remember the funniest thing that's ever happened, miss speaking, and I was miss speaking I was lying the the the news anchor with mid speaking, and you said, that's the funniest thing. And I'm noticing a pattern with me where I always think that the funniest news anchor fails, or when there's a medical when they like faith. So I was mouthing stroke and she started having I did think that was immediately sad, but at the time it

was like, what the hell happened here? Yeah, so that you can deal with that, you brought up sad stroke on television and punctured long grape lady who's never the same someone people who are bodily This is body horror you. This actually is an excellent transition. I'd say, bow yeah. I because on every episode of Lost Coach, which is an abbreviation for the podcast Last Culture Ristas, which is really even more of an abbreviation for Lost Culture Rests

with Matt Rogers and Bell and Young. The working title of this podcast, um, we ask every guess, well, was the culture that made you say? Culture was for you? Do you understand the question? I really I do to a fault too. I have too many things to say and I'm saying, well, I'll say this to prepare and I say, I'm gonna go on less cultures. I'm gonna go on last time. I'm gonna do my goddamn research. Okay,

I'm gonna listen. In an episode with my dear friend and sister, Ruby mccallista, I was thinking about I was thinking about that episode the other day because of the way she says, that's that kultrina Jack, that's Jack. She was saying, I had an l a jack l She she that was dark A culture was a highlights. Everyone, please listen. Ruby mccollster, one of the most perceptive, funniest

raw raw talent people. You truly nobody listened to that episode considering that fucking bitch said what I wanted to say? What did you say? That fucking bitch? My best fucking friend said the culture that was most influential to be I wonder if that's why we're friends. What three years ago when she went on the show, it said that the most influential culture to her was Peewee's. Goddamn motherfucking this makes so much sense for both of you, and

especially you. Let's leave her out. Let's leave Ruby out of it. Take her out of the narrative for a damn second, what did Peewee mean to you? Everything? It was like the first thing where I was like, okay, okay, this is all right? And by way, has anyone ever done it? Since? I don't think so. People try, and by the way, humiliatingly they try. They should be ashamed for how they try. Do we think that? Like No,

I was, I can't think of anything. It's just the only like thing that's like, okay, this is when I go crazy. Okay, you want to hear my crazy? The only total works of complete and total arts play house with I just just how was it advised? Two nights ago at S and l A. Were you there? No? Literally it was. It was truly, it was truly wild to watch it again because it is a perfect it's a perfect movie. You're like, no one's this was the

first movie ever made, and no one's made a movie since. Interesting, it's kind of fascinating. And also I'll say this for this movie and then we can return to Peewee. But I just want to say the special effects of the twister sequence, it's actually really scary and jarring. How real it looks like it's very like like obviously they had to do practical effects it was night I guess when they shot it, and then it was released in thirty nine. But like she's truly like fighting against the winds. It's

so scary with it. When they're all going down into the to the to the cellar and they close it behind them and she doesn't make it. It looks really real and the twister looks great in the background, like for the time. It's crazy to say nothing of like the rest of the visual treat that is the movie. Have you guys seen that whole feature at where Angela Landsbury like talks about like all of the crazy ship

that went down with the Wizard of Oz. I mean, I it's been on since I've seen it, but like all like the casting craziness with the tin Man and like, oh my god, like it's nuts. And then um, but then my the thing that I will never forget about, which is this is so dumb. But like you know the shot of um, the house tumbling down in the landing. Yes, that's just like them on like a stage, pointing the camera to the floor and then then dropping a little

house figurine. That's how they didn't talk about the intro sequence to Pee Wee's playhouse. That's allures, and like let's go back to pee Wee because pee Wee, like it totally tracks in your work, like it fully is like a new fucked up grotesque version of like of that of like I mean like talk about like practical gore ship for you, because like that is commitment. That is work.

That is like manual crafting of art, and you have to wear it and you have to like time it out and like kind of like I feel like I'm everyone please watch Sara Vaccine and all of stairs work. It's it's it's but talk about like your relationship with

making that stuff. I so I haven't learned how to make it real until I moved to Los Angeles and all my friends are movie magic maker and so like I was living in Chicago for like you know whatever three thousand years and making being like, oh, I want to make an effect where like I make these big clay veiny boobs with big Pepperoni pizza nipples, And so how do I make the milk like shoot out of

the nipples. Oh, obviously, what I have to do is put a tube through the nipple and fill my mouth with milk and then blow milk through the tube and

so could you know what I mean? I was doing like like arts and crafts, like like rubber bands and tape kind of practical effects, which is kind of I mean that's like you know, crafty, campy whatever, and like all in four like I love Pewee and like Wizard of Oz because it's all this like very tact dial it's like an immersive universe that you can like reach out and touch, and it's like, you know, I think, like because I make a lot of you know, arts

and craft the aesthetic, I hate that words. It sounds like kind of like cheap, and it also or either it's not like I think people are like, oh, you're you do d I y stuff so we can hey you like no money to do your thing, even though it's like you know what I mean. But now I moved to I moved to l A and then I made Saravaccine with my friends who are like real special effects artists. So I'm like learning how to not do

stuff that's just like milk with tubes and stuff. Like my friend Heiress Genius Genius works at the like special effects shop that like made all these like practical effects horror movies that I love and like it was part of a team that made the masks for Slipnot and I'm like, so major snowe major. Moving to l A, it's fun because you're you're surrounded by people whose job it is to professionally make stuff crazy style and everyone is like a genius problem solver and an artist and

like it's just cool. Like you know, in Chicago, if I wanted to make a pimple exploding with pus, I was like, oh, I don't know anything, like so I just filled like a bubble wrap bubble with vasoline and then painted it to look like or whatever that sounds. That sounds like a solution, though it's definitely a solution. And then I moved here and my friends are like, oh, this is how you do with like silicon and all this cool stuff. And I still don't really know how

to do anything. But it's just kind of like fun to like mess around and stuff. And I think that's why I like practical effects, because it's like, I think lost so much by foregoing practical effects. I really do. I think that, Like, for example, like like when they first tried to reboot Star Wars and like the Natalie Portman era of Star Wars as as I call them, like all the Aliens being c G. I like it made it feel just it just took me out. Yeah, and then like they got better in the in the

next reboot, like the Daisy Ridley era. Um, but like but you know it's true, like you know, you could never get the magic of something like Wizard of Oz now because they would overdo it because they love to throw money at the problem. In that way, maybe it's even easier for them to put things in and post like you could never do Jaws now if they tried,

it would be embarrassing and it wouldn't be scary. And with with Wizard of Oz, it's like obviously they were playing with like now we're going into color and like you know all that stuff. So there's so much to play on, especially like VA V, like the world of filmmaking up until that point. But it's so interesting to think of those as like the things that you respond to because you do genuinely work with that stuff. And then when you move to l A, you are around

so many more people that are capable of that. And I would imagine bow and like you see, like magic get made every week at your job. But I remember my first experience with that was like when they put Mitra and I an alien makeup for the My friend Molina did your makeup and she is incredible, incredible and

her everyone she works with is amazing. And it was really wold because I've obviously been in makeup trails affording, but really just to get like on camera makeup done, and then these people put us put so many extras into full on alien guiche and it was so involved and so impressive and we were laughing, dying, laughing, Metro, we had the most so funny, you both so funny, but it's just like people are capable of such like Wizards beyond, and it's fun And it's what Sarahs thing

is that it's funny. There's something funny about you and Metra being in this like silly fucking but real you know, alien makeup, and like, I don't know, like you're so right, Sara, And that's a little sad that like no one's done it like peewee, since on like that scale, I think it's really expensive in a way that's like, you know, like if you and Metro were gonna be animated aliens for that, I think it would have been cheaper, but then you lose the magic of like obviously animation is

like major and it's like three thousand people working together, but like you're in a room with like eight people who are all up in your face, and it's like it's inherently social and like more present. I think why, especially now, I think there's a deep desire within me to like really hold onto the practical is because like we just spent a year and a half in isolation, like and I think it's it isn't easier to do wait made up right? Sorry? Sorry, sorry, keep you know

what I mean. Though, It's like, obviously I love animation, major, major, but you can kind of do it like a bunch of different people at different computers on different sides of the planet. Well, when you do it all in post, it's like, of course it's appealing because you're able to

control it up until you know you hit export. But it's like you got to make the decision on the day if you want to do it all practical, and like you and and and doing things practical means that you have to have the confidence in what you're doing. You've got to know what you're going for like before before goes somewhere else to get like you know, cut together or whatever the hell totally and it's like first Sara vaccine I had to make, um my friend Heiress

had to make. I'm just like obsessed with them, and literally everybody go be obsessed with aarrison and hire them to do everything. They had to make like a crazy fucked up facial prosthetic, and so I had to get life casted, which meant me sitting in a chair for three hours while the dunk you and dunk you and the goose and the goops and like silicone and plaster bandages or whatever, and it's just three hours of like complete and total surrender. You're like, I just have to

trust the people I'm with. It's totally meditative and it's like you don't have to like there is this like weird, sick element of danger when you are doing practical effects. Like the other week, me and Airis had to make a head explode and it's like, you know, obviously no one's getting hurt, but the little like possibility that maybe someone could maybe get hurt, that's fun. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

it's danger. Who who did you make up? When you did Bernie Sanders, when you when you played Bernie, you you had one of the best Bernie's that's the same girl who did Matt Meetzra's makeup. Oh, Molina Saylina's full name because Melina Sterns and like truly truly great. Well I think that's prol Ali to Maguela Cutty. Yeah, there was. There was like a whole team there and it was such a it was such a wild day because like

it was honestly worth doing. Obviously it was fun to be in a Katie Perie video, but just to have the experience of being put into makeup like that, Like you hear like the stories of like when Jim Carrey did The Grinch, you know what I mean, Like that he was truly in like six hours of makeup every single day, and you kind of take for granted, like just how much effort that is and how hard that is and to keep it the continuity and to perform

in that. Also, what it does to you as a performer when you are put into makeup like that, you really do I'm alive, Like it really changes who you are. And she had those fingers like can you imagine, like you watch the granch and you're like, okay, best wormers of all time. Literally, I'm in agreement. You know what, Like you if you got to wear those fingers per day, you'd be a different person. Yeah, you'd be You'd be justesticulating all over the place, pointy little fingers. And Molina

did the old Man Bernie makeup. I was like, can you give me prosthetics to make me look old? And she was like, actually, I want to try this technique I've never done before. And I go, I'm obsessed with you. I'd let you do anything you want to take my body, it's yours. She did this weird thing where she put all this like strange glue on my face that made my skin like stick to itself so that it produced

natural looking wrinkles without like additive prosthesis. Oh my god. Yes, it was very disturbing because it was my skin behaving as if I were years old. Cool. Um wait, I had another thing to ask you. Oh my god, you guys, you guys, have you have you have either of you ever watched that reality competition show. It kind of got

like buried. I think it's still on. It's called Face Off, and it's like practical, it's practice, it's effects makeup people all like it's and all like having to compete and like come up with all the challenges are insane and themed and it's like these people are wizards and witches and like just magicians. It's crazy crazy. I have never seen that show, but one of my friends was on it, Joe, and it's funny. Like anytime. I'm like, oh, like I

had to paint a backdrop on like paper. Actually, for Sara Vaccine, I had to paint these big hands painted back backdrops that were like ten ft by ten ft, And after I paid to them, I was like, shoot, I gotta roll these have to transport them to the filming location. But like, how do I roll up a big piece of paper with like han hour's worth of paint on it? You know what I mean, without wrinkling it? Call it Joe, who's on face off? He goes get this.

I worked at a warehouse where we had to hand roll ancient silks, so I know the rolling technique, you know what I mean. It's like, well, ship, I don't know. It's great and there's people, you know what I mean. I'll have sex with Joe if he knows how to roll ancient silks. Fuck, like he knows how to roll ancient silks like that, and and and that's like one of those things like if you know how to do it, like I will have sex with you. It's like when someone can play piano and sing, like, I will have

sex with you. It's like one of the can roll silks, like I will have sexually. I will have sex with you. Do you have one of those things where it's like if someone can do one thing, you'll suck them. Okay. Um. The physicians assistant in my doctor's office is moving to Miami. Um. And he is just this adorable, adorable guy and he's gotten like really jacked in the pandemic. It's so weird. But you know, he's like so sweet and like I'm not like that like creepy with him. And I've never

I've never whatever I sound. He doesn't, he doesn't, He has no idea he has, he has, he has, he knows nothing about me, and but he it was it was my last check up with him last week, and he gave me like a quick little exam and just like massaged my abdomen while I was lying down. I was like see like you know medicine, you know how to touch me like this is this, I'll have sex with you. I would suck any doctor, yeah, or dentists or dentist. No, they're sick, they're sick. Maybe I take

it back, Maybe I wouldn't suck any dentists. And I am king shaming you. No, it's not even that. It's not even about there. It's not even about it as a kink. I'm just saying, like, you know, maybe not any dentists, maybe not any dentists there. What are your what are you what are your thinking? I think I'm just gonna definitely so. No, No, I said doctor, Like

that's not the most fucking don't fucking ship. No, It's like I'm watching old episodes of Housewives of Beverly Hills and like Adrian Malouf's husband, Paul Maluke, I'm so horny for him, and it's like only because he's a surgeon. Okay, I'm rewatching one and two. Can I tell you this ship? I'm doing it literally the same thing right now. Is your reason sick and fucked up? What's your reason? You can cut this? No? No, I want to get to

the window in which I want to see before Taylor's husband. Yes, I want to see the in between, and I want to see the post. I mean, look, there is a morbid curiosity that is the fact that that we find out everything about that stuff. And I will say now watching seasons one and two again, I'm like almost at the end of two two revelations one, I think Taylor is the saddest person to ever be on reality television. And I also think it's almost like a living document

of this is why I like Beverly Hills. It's because it's sort of about the cracks in the China, you know what I mean. And I really think it's an interesting tension between them trying to have drama on TV and then when this real thing creeps in, like the entire franchise changes. Number two, I think justice for Camille Grammar, Justice for Camille Grammar. Camille Grammar was ahead of her time.

And I think, and now we said it save Taylor Armstrong's life and I'm not kidding, yeah yeah, And the morally corrupt fayre The morally corrupt fayres Nick was a moment in time. And also it's just I also love l v P. I never thought I would and Kyle.

I'm seeing a very interesting shade to Kyle that I never really remembered or new before, which is that she used to be well in seasons one and two, she's like, she's sort of showing a bitchier, more queen be like, I'm like a funny, mean girl side than she ever shows now because she's sort of she's like sweet and hapless and like things happened to her. She's always crying.

There is like a harrowing scene which is Kim and Kyle Richards ganging up on Brandy Glandville at a game night, and it's so crazy to watch them do this, and it's like, am I on Brandy's side right now? And obviously Brandy goes completely chaotic evil and she corrupts him and it becomes crazy. But you know, it was not cut and dry, like Camille and Brandy are like the evil like bitch goddesses of this franchise. Looking back, I'm like, you know, Kyle and Kim like could give as much

as they got, are as good as they got. I started rewatching one and two because I am noticing myself mourning the world before mourning the loss of the world before social media, when people were outrageous and didn't feel Okay, this is gonna get me yeah totally. And time and

tech kills everything. Time and tech kills everything. Because Kyle Richards now is it feels accountable to this audience, where she didn't when she was like vehemently defending her sister seasons one and two and like had little awareness of the public or like how popular she would be on Instagram. And now Kyle Richards is like basically nothing. Yeah, I said it. I still stand Kyle and still do see her when I look in the mirror. Um, but that's

my across the bear, your Renna. What are you talking about? I'm Renna and entered into everyone else. But when I look in the mirror, I see Kyle, and so does Lisa. When Lisa looks in the Renna, she's When Lisa Wrena looks in the mirror, she sees Kyle too. And that's sort of important when you're Lisa Arenda, because if you looked in the mirror and saw yourself as Lisa Arenna, you wouldn't act like Lisa Arenna. But when you look in the mirror and see Kyle Richards, you feel you.

There's like a lack of self awareness. And then you go out and you're Renna. And I say this as someone who loves Renna, and I love Renna, and everyone's piste off at Renna and I go risk have some respect, respect and respect. And I'll say this, Kyle can stick around because she brought us Kathy Yea, and she can stick around if we get a little bit of the Mauriceo real estate fraud. Here's the deal, is there real estate fraud? Yeah? Bitch where I'm I'm demented, I'm criminal. Same.

I just went on bitch Sessed last weekend. It was the highlight of my entire life. Wait, Sarah, have you always been Bravo Bravo head? I'm just addicted to the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills, New York and Potomic and I can't watch the other Bravo shows because I can't. I don't care about the youth. Want the SMR experience, a full face of makeup. I want the near the grotesqueness of like these women are fast approaching physical and

a mental demise. But it's the cracks in the china that you're saying, and you don't get that with, um, what's it? I try getting into it, I'm like, I don't. This is it's a little tragic because these are all like you know, servers and like people who are like are kind of struggling in some additional way to like their personal problems. Totally, I could watch if it was a lot of Lisa, but I do like you should watch. You watch like you would love Salt Like sorry, I'm

so sorry. Of course I saw salt like I'm so sorry. Of course, of course salt Lake is salt Lake is. I would say those are like the core for and I hate to leave Atlanta out of it, but Atlanta is just too hit or miss. Like Atlanta, the good seasons are truly unreal, like they're they're so fucking good. But there's there's bad seasons that just like truly you watch an entire year and nothing happens. And I know

that's controversial, but Potomac, Beverly Hills, and New York. If I had to say my top five favorite housewives, I think they would all come from those franchises. And then's the controversial opinion, but I think that's because the top like those are all camp cities and Atlanta can't be camped because they're all so funny and so self aware mostly mostly like they're just being like Candy is just like cool, you know's what's up? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.

They're not Potomac. They kind of are. They know how funny they are, they know what they're they're they're supposed to do, and yet there's like such a grounded charm to the fact that like they're just like, yeah, like, oh, I'm moving out of the town house or I don't know, like it's just like it's it's relatable. It's not like a grotesque picture of like class bullshit. Then, like as much as the other ones are, and I'm just like, oh, I just like these women and I would hang out

with any of them. I've said this a million times. But you're like Giselle like knows that she's being funny, but she lives in the fucking woods in a house it looks like a ship. She looks awful, and she dresses horrible. Also, did you know that none of them really, only like one and a half of them even live in Potomac and they all live truly two hours away from each other. Potomac is not like a real like place. No, it's like a desert needed like location. It's never lands.

It's high Rule, but it's as rural culture. Number A hundred and three Potomac. And Karen is giving rule Endorf. She's giving gan Endorf in a major way beyond human. She's She's I love her. She's in my top five, She's in my All Stars cast. If I had to put one together, I'd say her, Yes, I do stand Candice, Rinna Kyle, and then I would say maybe lou or Son. I don't know enough. I'm kind of still a dilatant to house. I'm not going to put on my own ranking.

I'm gonna stain from them. You have to have stain, you must have stained. I do have a question free going because here I am. I'm going, I'm going on lost culture. I gotta do my research. Okay, okay, And I'm and I'm and I'm listening, but I'm laughing, mind you, I hope genuinely the goal and and and bone goes, Bone goes this. No, Ramona Bone knows no Ramona Rama. And this is when I put in my card and I pose, and I posed something. I'm gonna pose an

interesting hypothesis. You we think that the presence of Ramona Singer continues the discourse on the show of how Glass is Poison. That's interesting, that's you know what I mean, because we're getting Leah, we're getting Ebony, we're getting cool girls that are a little bit erasing the narrative that I think Andy when he was sewing, when he was the fabric and yeah, yeah, and he wants to tell it no, and he wants to tell a story that rich people can be really bad and we like to

watch their lives fall apart before our very eyes. Time. I don't know where Andy's First of all, can I just say something about all the fucking like the like I think it was like the US Sun like flop, You're not You're not even the British Sun, like you

have no power. And yet they still like I got under my skins because they're reporting that I'm saying that Andy Cohen himself banned me from watch What Happens Like Supremacies, when all I said on the podcast with Cecily a couple of weeks ago was I'm pretty sure I'm not allowed back because I think that because they cut out this thing where I said the Ramona's supremacist. I did not personally make it about a thing where Andy Cohen like doesn't like me. No, that's not even true. You're

being hyperbolic. I mean, yes, I I stand Andy Cohen to the tops of mountains and back to the plains and the valleys. That man is a genius on the topic of remote and so I just want to clear that up. And and and I love Andy so much on the on the topic of Ramona. That is so interesting, Sarah,

I don't quite know how to answer that. But my thing with Andy maybe or not Andy, but Bravo is like, I don't know how much there I don't know what the balance is between them wanting to protect some of these women, like let's say Erica Jane, or how much they want to like expose how these women are unraveling, and how corrupt they are, and how wealth corrupts you and how all these things are like noxious and poisonous

and corrosive. I don't know. I think I think I think it's just holding up some sort of like or shack tests and then we all interpret it for ourselves. But as but with Ramona, it's like, I'm so sick of it because we it's just kind of like a more an uglier version of the same thing that's built up over years. And I'm just like, I don't really Now she gets on my TV and I get like, I crawl under my skin and I'm like, actually anchor and I want to like throw, I get violent and

it's scary. I'm not like that anyway. That's because I think the reason why the ratings are so low is

not because of ebony. And then and it's insane. It's insane for people to say that I think the ratings are low because we we're it's becoming sort of Now that you bring in these like cool, smart women that are younger and they confront Ramona, it's actually stops the dramatic narrative and you because because Ramona is a person who cannot have that discussion because it's embarrassing and if she were to actually say what she thinks, what she

refuses to do, she would come off as insensitive, racist, classist at all. And so that's why she's refusing to talk about it at the reunion, why the reunion keeps getting pushed, it's why there like this season, the filming for the next season is postponed, quote unquote indefinitely. It's

because we're actually at a turning point. Because when you hire someone like Leah and Ebony and you throw them into the cast and they, by nature of being who they are, chiefly Ebony, like, we have to talk about this because it's part of the fabric of who I am. And if I'm going to be friends with these women in a real way and have your show happen, I have to make sure we're on the same page because I won't be a part of someone who stands with

white supremacy. And you have someone who refuses to engage in that conversation because they probably are consciously or unconsciously aligned with white supremacy, then you don't have a show. And the viewers aren't stupid, we can see that. So if that's going to be the narratives that's playing out and two people don't come to the table to have conflict over that, and we can't have what you need on that show with this conflict and resolution, then you

don't have a show. So you either stick with Ramona and her cohorts or you move on. And that's actually where unwittingly, I think the show has found itself because you are not going to gain viewers with this current cast. You have to make a choice because Ramona is not playing ball, and if a cast member is not playing ball, then probably they should be the ones to go. Because I do believe we can have a fun show with

Ebony and Leah and even Sonia and Lou. But because I believe that Sonya and Lou will come to the table and have the conversation, you know what I mean, Like lu showed up at the election party. We don't know her voting history, you know what I mean, Like, I'm sure it's checkered, but she's coming to the table to have the conversations. She's willing to engage. Ramona is not. And I think there's an interesting parallel. Dare I do Dare I do this? With great and Nary? Nary with

grapes not like grapes. Stopping Lady is fun to watch. Oh my god, I love this. There is something really hard to watch about Ramona this season, being so violently racist that it's like I can enjoy watching Taylor Armstrong's life fall apart, fall from the bone like a good brisket right out of the pot. But there's young and young,

but it's like it's not fun. Like watching Ramote of this season is like, okay, we got to see the grape stopping lady get hurt, and this is like watching her go to the hospital and get reconstructive lung surgery and like you know what I mean, It's like, and that's the Queen. Thank you for the complex. Sorry, oh that's my And that's my because you've got me. I agree now because I go back, because I'm revisiting old seasons.

I go back to you know, um Lunn finding out that Tom cheated and they had the picture and and I'm going to add this to the list of things that made me laugh harder in my entire life. I don't know if anyone remembers this finey little moment. Luanna

is shown the evidence three Lucy and the evidence. Bethany shows the photo to Ramona of Tom making out sucking face at the Regent or wherever Thentown other region down l a wonderful photo of Tom sucking face at the lyric hiper In and like they're like, oh, really, should we tellou? And should we tell aun? Luan Bethany and she's a picture and Ramona goes she's a body, scream, runs out of the room, goes to the bathroom and

looks at herself. Yeah yeah, I mean she's certainly done iconic things like here's the thing, Like, you can't say that Ramona hasn't given television just now. It's not tenable because she's unwilling to complete what would you have to do do, which is conflict resolution on that show. I think they all are told that the show is about conflict and then resolution, and the conflict can get very intense, but

we'll work towards an intense resolution. And that's not going to happen if she won't fucking sit at the reunion because she's scared to be called a racist, Like it's like crazy, Yeah, it's like there has to be the crazy person of the straight person in anything. It's like, you look like a Nazi's wife, you have to say you're not. And so Ramona looks like the Nazis wife and votes like a Nazis wife. So we have to deal with that because now we have people on the

cast who aren't darn't wucking with it. Fully in agreement. Now I'm full agreement. I totally agree. Can't there's no forward motion with her. Well, this is this is always what happens on House, but it's like a more recent example is like or not a more recent example, but like a recent example is Monique and Candace, and it's like there's no resolution there because there's just no resolution in there there and so then Moniqu ends up leaving.

It's like, there there has to be some developmental cycle that happens with these fights, and when when there isn't that, then like some things gotta get Yeah. Um, I just I love that this has become sort of a Bravo podcast and well, okay, I just want to say that it's it's only because we are I think we're in a golden age. And I also think I was gonna say that we are wearing a great time for Bravo.

Sorry sorry, sorry, No, we we literally are. And I also think it is interesting culturally what's happening on that particular franchise to me, because it's like when the ratings go down and people talk about the reasons why it's getting to be the mainstream narrative for the quote unquote reason why is fucked up to me again worth examining because it's insane to put that responsibility on the black woman's shoulders when all she's saying is I will not

align with white supremacy, and that's fucked up. And don't tell me like, well, you know, the Bravo audience actually doesn't want to see hard topics. They want to see shoes when the back of the whole franchise is built on tailor fucking armstrong. So you tell me that we don't want to see dark shit. We've with alcoholism, suicide, death, like we've dealt with some dark shit on these franchises. In fact, that darkness that exists right under the wealth

is what people like about it. Yes they like the vacations. Yes they like to see them get silly and stupid, and we like to see the fights. But don't say it's not about we don't want to see tough stuff or have hard conversations, because that's not it. Literally, Yeah, people are blaming Ebony. Yeah, the the rakes are weighed down, and people are saying it's because Ebony keeps being preachy and teachy about race and is stopping the fun, which

is like silly. So with this cultural discussion, we sort of transition into I don't think so, honey, which bone? What would you say about it? If you had to say something about it? I don't think so, honey, is our or allotted time to really individually go off on something in culture and Sarah has done it before. Sarah's thrived in the space. You and I have done an okay job from time to time. You've you've had a recent string of hits. I will say, I feel like

I'm I'm in a renaissance of mine. I don't think so. I love it. I love it. I'm very happy for you. I hope today is no exception. I think this is a gorgeous be part harmony. I'm the low frequency when Matt is like really like finding like the mid and the and the high and the trouble, and then Sarah is just is going to be the lead VOCs falsetto And I'm worried and I'm worried going into this part. Don't worry, don't don't worry. You've done it before. Okay, Matt, first,

I'm ready, I can go first. This is Matt Rodgers. I don't think so many as time starts now, I don't think so, honey. The ass eating on white Lotus. So let me just say, as a disclaimer, this is my favorite show of the moment, but that's not how you eat ask babe. And I know Murray Bartlett knows how to eat ass, and I know Lucas Gauge knows how to get his ass eight, So why is he standing up straight like a board like if? If we're gonna do ass eating on White Lotus, we need some

back arched. Okay, Mike White, I know you're in a relationship with a man, so you've been there, You've done that. We're gonna need to see nose in hole and don't tell me it can't be done because girls did it. I hate to say girls did it on HBO when we saw a nose fully going into Allison Williams is ass. So we've seen it done. I love that we're depicting ass eating. I love dramatically what this means for the show going forward. But if we're gonna do it, let's

do it. Let's not nibble the top of an ass. I don't think he was working his way down. I don't think so, honey. I think we've got skittish on the staging and we're gonna need to see better, do better. I don't think so, honey, And that's one minute. I love that love that we saw Lucas Gauge's ass. Love love that we sort of get that love seeing Murray Bartlett nude. These are gorgeous men. But if we're gonna do it, let's do it. Okay, if we're gonna do it,

let's do it. Representation matters. And if we allow this ass eating to happen, what's gonna happen with the kids that watch White Lotus. They're not gonna know how to eat ass. We need proper ass eating representation on our screens. It's important. It's important. They're not going to know where else to find acid eating, exemplary acid eating. Like what are they going to have to watch girls to see

how to eat ass? It's like, no, they should be able to be They should see these two gay men on White Lotus with give me ass eating, and I know these men know how to get their asses eight and eat as. I don't think you should assume that Murray Lucas or Mike White and his partner do it. Well, Well, that's what It doesn't matter what you what do you think? It's I'm not one of these people. I'm just saying some gay men don't I know, I guess I know

a few gay men who just don't do it. Well, then well, then if you're gonna do it, if you're gonna depicted in film and television, you should do research and there should be someone on set who's done it before, like a doctor is on set for surgery scenes, and they should say, actually, this is how you do it, gentlemen, and you fucking you make it. And there was other ways to stage that so that we could have gotten a more realistic ass eating How did you watch this, Sarah? Yes?

And then I go maybe the wait, what's his name, Lucas Gauge, Yes, Lucas Gage. Maybe. Lucas Gauge's character motivation was like, I'm standing up straight, I'm scared, I'm scared, I'm nervous. He didn't look scared to me. And then you're just taking a lot of drugs spoiler alert. So meanwhile, if I'm never taking drugs, if I'm ever going to get my essays sober, I'm I'm sucking hold up to the sky bent, get bent. Meanwhile, if you're on all those pills and all those drugs. You're again be in

position mama daddy a coin. He straight up like a board and I was like, and we cut to Murray Burland and he's like nibbling the top of the butt. I'm like, that just tickles m Honey, Honey, Mama Daddy love the show, can't. I don't think I love the show. Can't. We haven't talked about it a lot. Maybe we'll talk about it more when it wraps up and we have. We're actually having a guest on in a couple of months. That's a part of the show. Very exciting little but um,

I love the show. Um. Just when this happened at the end, I was like, girl, come on now with this ass eating I don't know about all that. And I had to say, I don't think so, honey, because I'm out here for the kids. So now we moved to, uh my phone died, so maybe this is Bowen Yang's on the fly. I don't think so all right, and its time starts now, I don't think so, honey. To baby making do a leap. I have to post a fucking apology on Instagram and saying this is not the

person I recognized. I'm actually pretty positive to do a leap a spot of the homophobia from a mile away, but was like, I'm gonna throw this guy a bone. The baby like had like a five. The baby is actually so gay, it's crazy. His whole identity, his whole first album was like, I'm a pop star. Like his whole of the motif in that album was I'm a

pop star. I'm a pop star. You are not obsessed with the terminology of star if you're not a faggot, as Matt Damon says, okay, so like I don't think so, honey, Like all this homophobia creeping back up in the ground swell in a way that is so like old and like, I don't it's not even interesting. Homophobia makes the homophobia interesting. And the baby making poor Sweet Duo while she's on a yacht somewhere half to post that apology or having a publicist post the apology. I don't know who. I'm

sure Duo wrote it herself, is just awful. I hate that he put her through that. And that's one minute. The baby is definitely done. I I was watching the Instagram story and I I literally like, it's that thing. It's that Matt Damon thing. Of like just stop talking, because he started talking and he was like, I had I have so many gay fans, and I love my gay fans. He could have just shut up right there, but he had to keep talking. And then he said that insane thing about people. He said, I have lots

of gay fans. I have straight fans, gay fans. It's just that my gay fans don't have AIDS. Are not filthy and aren't aren't like discussing some like he he basically like, isn't aware that just because you have AIDS doesn't mean you're like a disgusting don't It's not even worth really talking. It's really he he's obviously ignorant about what it means to be living with HIV and AIDS.

Like he clearly did need some education on that, but it was so beyond and that's so needed to happen behind the scenes, because what he ended up saying to his like nearly twenty million fans was like this truly crazy misinformation that was so cruel and so homophobic and so ugly and dark that it was like, WHOA, this person really doesn't get to the point where then do what did have to make a statement because it's like, I mean, you have to talk about this. Yeah, right,

that doesn't get it right now? No, not at all anyway. Um, I think it's type of Sarah sportms. I don't think so. Okay, here's the thing, here's the thing. So I have to baking in the oven. Okay. One freshets of the moment okay, and anomber one if that a left field, and it would seem a little dusty, but I think I could dust it off and make it brand new. I'm what I'm hearing is that you want to dust off the dust to one. It's a new revelation. I want to defend it before I before I go off. Okay, I'm

gonna defend it. It's gonna see it's a new revelation and it's gonna seem irrelevant, but when you really think about it, it's going to be more relevant than Oh this is my favorite. Oh I love this. I think I think that that seems to be the one that the energy is around. Okay, this is Sarah squirms. I don't think so, honey. She's dusting off her mets, her dusting mets. Her time starts now. I don't think so. Honey, people who think that Donald Jason her it is bad.

I think it's a cool style. Like he went out of sitting, out of mind as you should be. Can you seeing him pop up on the internet. Well, I'm looking at I'm going it's this cool style. It's a cool shape. All you have to separate they are from the artist. First we had Rachel Don't the hairstyle not that funny. Grace Jones invented a haircut that was a million years ago, and that did a hairstyle that was a million years ago. Donald Jason, Well that's a brand

nine seconds. That's defense from Donald Trump's hairstyle as and I don't think so, honey. The first new hairsty since Grace is Jones. He's you're saying, Donald Jason Trump, which I don't think is right, is as brand new as Grace Jones. That he's a style like probably he was so out of sight, out of mind, you know him with the new This makes this makes so much sense.

Act like no, I let let me say something. Aesthetics are so important and the whole reason why a lot of a lot of trump Ship took off was because

the aesthetic was not good. But it was strong and full understood it, and everyone should watch the ContraPoints video where she where you know, um nat only one talks about aesthetics is in terms of she talks about them in terms of gender, but also in terms of like fascism, but like aesthetics rule everything, and like that's why it's like it's okay for people to be shallow a little bit when it comes to like the way they look,

because you are taken seriously, if you're visually compelling whatever, Okay, anyway, it really looks big and strong because his hair is golden. If I'm if I'm someone who's never what like, I'm sure that Sarah, there's someone out there who's like, I like his hair cut, the cut of his jib and the cut of his hair, and I like his hair. I like I like how it's a blade out and I love it. And it's a strong aesthetic. It's distinct and already that's that's that's a huge victory for the

person that is, you know, holding that style. I mean, because you're asking questions about them, and if you know, you that bitch when you cause all this conversation. Unfortunately, my say that who said that Fyance s said that by the way, Tina Knowles is going to be on drag Race this week judging the snatch game. Well, the season has made little sense, so I say why not? I say it's a pyle on. Can we say something? Can we say something? We love drag Race, we love,

we love everyone involved in the show. Jan did the same exact thing on that show that Rose did, and somehow Rose made it all the way to the top four, which we love. But for Janny by psychologically abused in the way she was makes no sense to me. Where they're like, there's no soul there. What are you talking about? We should have Jan on next week to to give a tell all. I would love to have Joan on to talk to Jan. We love Jan, We stand Jan in this house, Sarah, do you watch raising her hand?

Syr Syrtical, theyr Nical. I put in a request, Yes, you know who I want to be hearing on this podcast, the Misham you show the culture ristas that might be interesting in topical talk about topical Iman now that's a flex in August point, that's a flex, right, But the Tamisha Human drama, we will, we will, that's not over there's anymore. She should be back. She even didn't she leave being like I'll see you want all stars? Like

didn't she? Or that was Tina, But I think Tamisha should come back to Misha is a very compelling character in that in that world, and of course we'll see more of her. It's not over. And yes, Sarah, we will do our best to get to Misham. On the podcast, She's coming through you. Wow, I'm sitting here and I'm like, sort of love this. This was this was a is an episode and what I loved about it that we got to touch on the Wizard of Us, which do

you know? So so I don't know if you know this, Sarah, but right now we're doing we're we're sort of gearing up for the Cultural Awards, and so all the readers are campaigning for UM all the cultural awards, and one of the cultural awards is UM Worst Insult towards Us. And one time on the podcast, on the podcast reviews, someone said, these what these gays are so basic, they don't know anything. They just talked about the same stupid ship.

And I bet neither of them have ever even seen the Wizard of Oz, which is the while which is one of the weirdest, craziest things anyone's ever said, and it is a front runner for worst insult towards us. It's so weird to say someone, I bet you haven't even seen The Wizard of Oz. I think it was supposed to drag us for our cultural literacy like that we know where it's like, Oh, it's so fundamental, it's such a fundamental text. But I'm like, babe, of course

we've seen it. We've seen the Wizard of Oz. I mean, you guys, can't be too literal. Get on here. I mean, hello, I talked about Wizard of Oz. What am I six? You know what I mean? But you know what, though, I will say that the power of that film, and also I will say this, Judy Garland is so effortless, like what a fucking like performance that is just so good. And the whole like you talk about Judy, Judy, Judy,

and but the whole cast is amazing. Margaret Hamilton's slaying like the Lollipop guilds down the fun Where about that? I'm shaking my fucking ass at the club. Two three drinks follow the Yellow Brick Road. Mama, I'm a whole up, Lucas Gauge. You could never We always been holding a brush entire time. It's powerful. This is my little dusting brush for my keyboard. When there was like little crumbs and chip in that and oh, I thought it was

it's his. Well, he's gonna do that thing like they do on the Dragons tutorials, which is he's gonna go to this well. It makes me laugh every time, Sarah Swarm, what the fun? This was so much fun? This was so can I even say I had so much fun that I got swept away sweating profusely. Didn't even say the culture I was going to say, because I was literally so in the moment, say the house wizard. Now you said, you're say it, Edward scissor hands. Oh quickly, quickly,

you have five minutes. Okay, I think so, honey, My thought and starts four minutes fifty nine seconds. There's a lot we can hold Tim Burton responsible for buttons and stitches, aesthetic culture, Core, line Core, Frank and Wyney. There's a lot we can be added Tim Burton box strolls as stitches for mouth button ries. But what did he give us here? Hi Gothic Horror romance, that was a fashion movie,

that was a horror movie. That was a movie about isolation, and that was a movie about s e X. Yeah, and it was also a Diane Waste vehicle, Diane we selling a von door to door. Mm hmm. That's a huge movie. Iconic Winona, iconic Winona. And unfortunately, like Johnny Depp delivered, we got to separate the hair from the from the trump. We gotta separate the art from the artists. Okay, I think though it's controversial, weather or not, Johnny Depp

is controversial. I think that it kind of came out that maybe that situation was not all it seemed to be. Then I take it back. But but you know what, that's part of the cultural conversation. And thank you Sarah for bringing us to this point. Thank you for touching on Edward saysor Hen's in this way. Where can people find you and what do you want them to watch? I'm going to find me at at Sara Square. And when we go to at Sera Squam, they're going to find a link. Okay, it's gonna take them to a

website that they've probably never been to before. What that website means that TV and as Bowen so perfectly put it before, it's a worker room social cooperative website. I'm rock hard, rock hard, and you know what, it's hard to get people to go to a website they've never heard of to watch a thirteen minute video. It's a great side. I love the SA is amazing, watched Sara Vaccine Amy CD And I'm not all my shows because guess what, I'm looking at the ticket sales. They are

not flying like hotcakes. I bet after this they fly like hotcakes. They're gon and shout out. Guess what. My little cousin loves this podcast. This is This is like the millionth time I've heard of a little cousin liking how old at least? Okay, so I heard of like a fifteen year old little cousin listens to this. I'm like, that's fascinating. Careful now, careful, now, careful. I hope they like my I don't think so, honey about eating ass is the sweet spot perfect Sarah's squirm and you gotta

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