"HEY! You Famous?" (w/ Andrew Ahn & Joel Kim Booster)

the floor. Thank you. The last episode, I didn't I don't think so honey about the anti reflective coating on my glasses not being satisfactory, and I, I guess I didn't realize that I did name the business and I kind of lightly dragged them and used the words I felt scammed. And so I do want to apologize to Studio Optics at Rocketfeller Center. I I am so sorry. I truly actually experienced exceptional service from Mike, one of

the sales associates. Use what you did? Say? I did say, Dr Clebanof, who gave me my eye exam, updating my ana, Stop everything now pouring iconic name she Dr Clebanov. She kept referring to herself as Sarah and um I was talking about how she went to the Rangers game. She's a big hockey fan. She's so iconic. I do think I did something bad and I want to apologize to everyone at Studio Optics for their exceptional service, their exceptional selection.

They are the only place in New York City that has the full Bruto Show signor selection and catalog and so many other amazing selections. I truly, I have not ever felt more dad about anything I've ever done. Shut up? Can I say something nearly so? So? I told you on the way here, Can you for a second touch, I am so proud of you for the way that you're accountable. You are such an accountable king. And this is the key. You don't go here's an excuse. You

never do that excuse. There's no excuse. Can I say something to every one out there who's apologizing and saying but and saying but, this is let me give you some background. Shut up, it's ruler culture number two. Shut up. You just apologize to apologize. These are these are the two words you don't say in an apology. But or if I'm sorry, if you're done, you can't say I'm sorry. If you say I'm sorry that I'm sorry that I made you feel that way, listen, and I'm sorry if

I made you feel that way. You basic you did it the right way. I know I did, thank you, and now this is more of a This is more of me showing people the right way. Well, when you become as famous as you have become, you have to start showing people more sides. And because the people they think that they know you, but the fact is the truth is there are so an amazing, accountable person and that is so beautiful. Bow. I've never been more proud

of you than I am right now. And I've seen the film Fire Island and which you give a startmaking perform I've never been more proud of you right now. And I've seen the film Fire Island in which you give a start making don't patronize me, and I love that for you, in which you give truly incredible grounded we're holding your own against the mother of Hollywood, Jennifer Lewis. Can I tell you what made me feel really good inside when we oh no, do it shot up to you?

Can you can go there? And in the lobby we saw the tractor of our helm in who's the guest on the podcast, and he said that he's watched the whole show. I love that for you when you tacked over touching, and he said that he liked my performance. Well, he didn't say that. First I had to ask him if the acting was good, and he said, he laughed and slapped me on the thigh hard with his phone, which is made of metal, and it's made of metal

and screen. And when you take a something that's made of metal and screen, hit someone with it and flat. And then I turned to my other sister, took him, who's the guest on the podcast? And he has he has not he has, he has, but he didn't. He didn't complement me on it. He's caught up, he's got up, he's caught up. He just thinks I don't need it. I guess you know what I mean. I don't need to hear it from my sister. Can I say you were giving sarahdestic of Parkard and just like that and

these last few episodes, no, I'll get better. Do you think I was giving just like that s JP scene partner in one of the episodes was a literal reading light and your seeing partner in these episodes is a handbag, and both of you like giving true complete humanity. Well that handbag went to Carnegie Mellon what graduated with Patrick Wilson. Yeah, they did. They did actually street car together. Patrick Wilson, who was the handbag, Mama Blanche, Mama Blanch, mother that

mothers of Hollywood. I love this. This is how the handbag did the line go ahead. I've always relied on the kindness of money, you know what. I'm so excited for our guests because are here to join us today on This is so exciting and we've been using I've been looking forward to that. I've really been looking forward to this and we've been using it for a while. But this is gonna be an episode two hours of Taylor Swift. We're all gonna say our top ten Taylor

and in depth our guests. Yes, this is going to be one of the most iconic episodes ever because it's all about Taylor, and we are so thrilled to have joining us. The director of UM checking notes Fire Island, Um, we're in it. We're in it, funny enough, UM and the and the writer and star and executive producer. Does he need that throwing in there? He's making decisions on the day. Go and move that chair there. I never saw him to move a chair. Can I say something?

Can I be honest with you? I was there the whole time, six weeks of shooting, never saw him save that chair. There you were back in your dressing room. Wasn't on your coverage and your favorite, my big dressing room that I had, and you and your Matt is famous for not being there when it's done, his coverage going, oh, they're not on me. I don't, I'm not, I'm out. Use the stands in Honey, did you say this experience to our stand ends were like a little bit hot.

I'm used to this on my standing on nor from Queen's the Hottest Asian man I've ever seen and the hottest man? Why am I saying Asian? Yeah? Examine that, and while you do, I'll sort of say, um, the credits SPA Night, I mean, just an incredible, incredible foray into filmmaking, Loot, It's upcoming Psycho Sexual on Netflix. This is an incredible standard special. I was there for the taping. Driveways incredible film, Hung Chow, Hung Chow, one of the

most bright lights in Hollywood. So we've sort of said there are credits like here, they're unywhere generation sun Side documentary Sunnyside? Why are you laughing? Chaking your head? Shut up? Two incredible people are two incredible people, two amazing people, and we are so excited to hear all their thoughts on Taylor Swift today. Please welcome into your ears alphabetical Andrew On and Drew Kim boost step everything now made me? And you know the song, you know the song being Bashful.

I know very little about Taylor Swift. This is gonna suck, and you knew the whole time during production that we three liked her. So there was no homework or catch up. It was only so I had to listen to Less Culturesa's episodes. We were talking about Fire Island while we were shooting were never that day. I think believed that episode was called what was that episode called? It was called it was Talking Facts, Talking Facts because Kim came in.

It was the premier of Stelic City and we were almost finishing up with the movie, and it was We did that episode in Bowen's bed, in his bed, and that was I don't know, you guys, I have so many emotional things emotional. How are you feeling I'm feeling. I'm I'm feeling crazy, very little strong, but yeah, okay, walk us through. What do you mean? What's horse in me? Disco night. What Yeah, what's it like the feeling of crazy? The feeling of crazy is I didn't sleep? Yeah, you

got more sleep than I did. How are you? What are you saying? I woke up at like ten am, and I would like, okay, can you talk about it with being crazy and in relation to the film or what. Yeah, last night someone literally grabbed me by the arm and said, hey, you famous, Hey you famous? And I said no and he said, my friend says you're famous, and he said it in that tone. Um, And then he said, congrats in the movie. So you knew you were in a movie insane? Um along. Yeah, there's no way we didn't

get it. No, I didn't get it. This is not what it feels like. COVID. Yeah, I've had it. I'm a survivor. I'm a survivor too. Are you a surv COVID? I am? Actually I am. When did you have it? I had it right before we had her cast screening in New York and yeah, it was like a hundred yards away and I had to like FaceTime be like, I love you all, I'm so sorry. I bought Julia cake yeah birthday, and we took it to Julius and they cut it out and they handed it a piece

to everyone in the bar. And that's Julius and that is New York, New York. Baby, they would never do that at High Top when they say unique, un Noork, when they say unique New North. He got talking. Robin Williams has no Absolutely. By the way, you're gonna you're gonna have to apologize to High Tops next week. Yeah the way you you were one of those New York fags who comes in and disparages High Tips. Well, I have news for you. Hi Tops is a neighborhood spot.

I've said this, High Tops the best food in most Hollywood, Can I Can I say something so? I would say eighty nine percent of the tweets about our movie are positive. But after the night of our l A screening, I did see a tweet that was like Fire Island is supposedly about like the POC working class, um, like body diverse, like struggle within the gay community, and he chooses to have his opening night party at High Tops. Um, how

does that? How does that make any sense? Or something like that, dragging me for having like our party at High Tops, And I was like, wow, I really can't win. It's gone to this point now where people will like read you for the places. I mean, I don't know. I guess that's not to remark that that's just so

boring though. Yeah, but also it's like, if that's what they're going to say after the screening of the movie, that's probably a really good sign because like if they came to the movie and they were, like they had the after party at high Tops. Supremacy, it's suprivacy, It's supreme. Yeah. Yeah, Well it's also like this person had to be like

on your Instagram or something. I think they were maybe even at the screening, because how they How would they know that the movie is about the working class Poco Suggle? How would they know that? I don't know. How did this movie come about? How did this movie come about? Like Island with with us? Can I just say I think it's really funny. I had a number of people who were like so excited that I was directing Fire Island, but more excited that I might do an episode of

Lost Culture. I guess this is huh. So when I asked you the question of how did this come about? You better give a good answer. Well, Joel, you start no I don't want to do press at all. I was actually asking a facetious question to sort of quote a funny. I have a question for Andrew. You literally just finished post production in this really crazy city of New York, and how long have you been backing? Only like two seconds? Yeah, like a month? Basically are you

are you furious to be back here? Uh? You know, I have to say, like when I walked here from the hotel, like it's a hot day, but I was like, oh, like there's something so like beautiful ab that this place, you know, But I can't live here. I can't live here. It's too it's uh, I think there's too much going on, and I get fomo and it's like I feel like I have to like do everything every night, you know.

And that's like how I got COVID. I mean literally last night, like I took a helicopter to Montalk party where Quest Love DJ, and then this morning my sisters were like, oh, we had such a fun time and horse meat, and I was like, I wish I had gone. It's like in New York City, it never goes away. You can't do it all. But I will say a man, my sister did have frozen Apperall sprits is just now a brunch and that was pretty sweet and that just

doesn't happen in that way. Really, that's not true. Shut up, no one talks to you yet. My l a versus New York, my very my very good friend in in Los Angeles. Mitch famously like woke up after he had a crazy night out, blacked out, and he was looking at his Instant stories and he was like, oh, that looks like fun and he got fomo from himself, like I didn't even know. We gotta stop at I think Instagram is done. I heard Tricia pay To say Instagram

is over. It's all about be real now okaait wait, okay, I need to get on it because the girls are talking about be real, real real, and we have to enjoy it now because the we'll ruin it somehow. But now it's perfect where Okay, So my understanding of it is, and please correct me, because Joe, I think, is the only one that's on it. You're on it. It be real is every day you get a notification at random,

at a random time. It could be three am. You get the notification and it says it's time to be real okay, And so you click into the app and you take a picture of literally wherever you are, whatever you're doing, you take a picture, and it's and you take it with your front facing, and then it's also taking a picture of you taking a picture. And there's no hiding. There's no hiding how to be you have to give the phone to someone else. It's like no, no, no, no, no no no no no, it's you have you are

taking it. So if I if I got the notification right now, I've taken my phone and I would take a picture of you three surrounded if you can get us some frame, and then it would also be taking a picture of me at the same time. And so that would indicate to everyone that I was being real in that moment, because I want it's not filtered, right, it's not staged, and it is beautifully communal because everyone's taking is supposed to ideally take the picture at the

same time. And then if you are late, and then it will say like Joel was two hours late. Yeah, so I wasn't being real. Wow, this sort of realies. But that's that's I think that's brilliant. It really is brilliant. Shark Tank instruct I hope someone brought this to Shark Tank because Miss Barbara Corcorn would say, I bet Mr Mark Human is eating his eating his own ass. Yeah. Yeah, So I encourage everyone to be real. I want to get on be real. But the thing is, how many so,

how many times you don't know what this is? I have no idea. Okay, would you be real if I told you to? Right now? I'm not even on TikTok. I'm not on just be real. This is the next thing. TikTok is over. It's all about being real. It's be real popping off though in a real way kind of kind of. It's popular more than Elo ever did. Yeah, certainly remember Llo that moment that week. I literally don't remember el O. Well, we all had one. It was my space but ugly. Yeah, it actually did like the

black and white esthetic before CO started before like other people. Yeah, that is true. It's but you do Instagram, you know, Andrew on Films, and Andrew Film, and Drew on Films, Twitter and Instagram. Um sure, I mean it's not like I barely know how to use it and I'm using it mostly just for Fire Island stuff. But like because you're proud of the film because I'm proud of the film because I want all of you to like Shine Shine, I want you all to be But you're a director.

Have you ever thought about making a movie on Instagram stories? No, would be really fun, it would be amazing. Really, I mean what I've done at Quimby Show, I don't know. Oh my god, would you not have done it if it was still on Quimby. I didn't have the choice. I didn't get all what you're saying now. I don't know if I would have done a Quimby show if you had the choice, would you do it on Quimby instead? Because I heard he's coming back. Quimby is gonna put

me to a point. Oh, we just and I think it's important and and Joel has been very responsible and pressed. But the Quimpy joke in the movie, there's a quick, little Quimpy joke. And we are all grateful for the people at Quimby. It crushed. It's certainly not. It's only not the creative executives that I was running with. It was the business people who made a lot of And

we were actually talking about this yesterday. I was some random gay guys were talking about this yesterday, if you can believe random gay guys on the street, random talking about my friends, my close friends. But um, they were talking about how they like, they loved like your show, and they loved like the horror show and the like uber Stalker show and like all these like things. The problem wasn't the content. The problem was like the business

decisions that went into making Quimby untalkable about untalkable. You could not you couldn't airplay, you couldn't screenshot, you couldn't like take videos. It was like nothing was sticky. That's what the use case of We're going to watch this on the subway, on you know, like on the Commune's like no, or they want to watch it. Well, they had a month after the pandemic hit to pivot that, and I think, honestly maybe the technology was super sensitive

and it wasn't as simple as like let people airplay it. Well. No, they did, though they did, they did eventually eventually, yes, but they missed their well. And the crazy thing is in China right now, TikTok is trying to start five to ten minute, ten episode season programs and I think it's going well, going well, Like people want that over there. And so the thing is is I actually think someone will do Quimby again in the US. But we'll do it better and it'll and it'll work, it'll be real.

And then all of a sudden you're going to become like big director. Yeah, you would have done it at Quimby. You would have you would have told him, you would have sat down together. I came with. I came with a a pitch deck and I was not as good as their second pitch deck. Oh there was a second moment. Yeah, yeah, I had my the audition for Quimby and the auditioned for Who. I love to think about you auditioning. I love it. I was I was a child actor. You

were not. Were you really know that? I was scouted at a wedding? Shut up? Are you dancing crazy? I was probably dancing crazy. And I got repped by ACME Talent, Oh my god. And I did um what. I did a lot of books on tape because I could read well as a child. I did um uh a little reading for a book on tape called O. J. Simpson. I want to tell you what was that about. I had to read a letter written by a child to O. J during the trial. Oh my god, what it's on

cassette tape available on Amazon. Oh my god, I wanted to very ray J. Simpson. I want to tell you. I have the clue it was. It was the child you're reading for pro o J pro ja. A kid writing to o J is gonna be a fan? And then I don't like you. Do you think o J did it? What is that controversial? Now? Why would you back away from this? Is your next project with o J? Simpson? Yeah? Uh, you're terrible to me, you know, he says, because Eric Anderson from Rewards Watch asked them, was from a fan?

How was the acting Matt Rogers and Andrew used that opportunity to say that I was attacking him with bits during the show. Do you feel during the show? It's all love. I feel the love. I feel the love. But yes, my it was a very short lived acting career. I hit puberty, got ugly, and then UM dropped me. They dropped me. Don't do that. I almost don't do that. You're being Howie right now. Don't do that, how we asked, but I did. Um. I almost made it onto you

the show VR Troopers. Oh my god, I fucking loved that show. What is that? I don't know one of the many it was. It was a knockoff of Powering, except they would go like part it was in virtual reality and yeah it was only three of them one one person of color, one white person and a girl. That's not too bad for the time saying, um, but I loved it. I think it gave me a certain um uh like respect for actors. Because it's hard. It's really hard. It's hard. I know you say it's sometimes hard. Yeah,

you do say that a lot. I think it's sometimes hard, but no, the lifestyle around it is not hard, like the way you could you sitting in a chair and drink for that not hard, but but occasionally like it is hard. I mean like we would all say they were definitely hard moments and U and it was hard to memorize the script. That's not hard hard, you know. Yeah, the writing was the Joel Joel Jumble. The writing. Joel wrote the script in a really cool way. It was

like non linear at like the letter level. So they was like a fucking like pan grams thing. Yeah, you had every day was and you only had like ten minutes to memorize the line and then it would disappear. It's like Marvel style, like you get it on an iPad and then like kind of wipes off. Did I ever tell you auditioned for Licorice pizza for for the Ben Safty role. No, it was. It was at the end of the movie, like the Safty's boyfriend the game for that his script, Like what you like you had

auditioned for for that? I might have found an NDA, but it's like far in the past now, but like truly like one of those like a toror scripts, which is like not a capital letter, insight, punctuation wild, like eight commas in a row to denote like I don't know what emotion, but like one of those things. And then it was nominated for screenplay at the end of the year, So like, I mean, who's to say anything

has to be not mortal? When when I auditioned for Eternals for Gay Husband, um, the audition sides were from Goodwill hunting for that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think every gay person, every scene, which I didn't get that, every gay person of color. You're right, I need to know. It was Robin Williams. No, no, no, it was, it was the famous scene. It was between Matt Damon and Robin Williams's Great Shepherd or whatever. Missed opportunity for a

little mini driver action. I know she's so good at it would have been so funny if Marvel was auditioning their first gay character and made the audition being honestly, that would be sort of I got a little bit of your pickle, Like, come on, such a good moment, Okay, can we actually say something and and and say that Joel watched a movie for the first time recently that matter. Oh god, this was a shock. This was a shock.

Oh yeah, yeah. Joel text us the other day and goes, I have something to say, and I go, oh, would be anything, It could be anything. I just thought Aaron Rockovitch for the first time, first time Aaron brock Witch comes up like once every isn't that? I feel like in the script, Jewel, I know you cut it though. The best lines were cut. One of my favorite lines I had was cut, and I'm gonna confront you both

about it right now. It was the scene where we bring Zane over to the house and I say, you say to Zane, it's not too late to leave, and then I say rude, And then under my breath, I go. And also it is too late, and I can't believe it's cut, and I want an explanation, right, I will say I No one had more lines cut from the film than me. Well, you get the most lines. Trying to be real, why was that cut? Now? Why? I actually curious which one should I address first? Me? Now

it's my show. He's going to get so much attention over the next couple few weeks. I need this moment. Why did you cut my line? I think it was it was to get to Mersa Tomay faster. Yeah. Right, it's the thing. It's such a set piece, you know, it's such a set piece. It's so good. Um. And then Aaron brockovid, I think it had something to do with um uh wanting to get to um the romance of that scene faster. So he's always cutting things to get somewhere else. I'm cutting. We had to leave stuff

for the DVD extra. Yeah, but okay, can I say something and this actually, okay, maybe I should because I told you what I don't think is gonna be Yeah, and maybe so I shouldn't get into this challenge. But will we see scenes from the cutting room floor? Will we see them. I mean place but the only no, everyone stopped. Let's stop pretending that people still buy Blu Rays DVDs, go off to watch the only place feature that's live now is on fucking YouTube YouTube dot com.

And it's like, it's hard to serve that up unless it's like in people's algorithm. And that's something that I'll get to in mind and think, so honey, but I just think it's everyone's like, it'll be in the DVD. It's like, stop saying that. You don't mean that. Don't directors say this, including our illustrious director. It should have been in the film. It should have stayed in the film. You should have kept everything that was cut up. There's roughly twenty minutes that was cut from the film that

I would love to see back in. Oh God, the three of you are just like, yeah, you held you responsible. I I agree, there's a lot of stuff that I wish we're still directors cut, directors cut well released the on cut. Yeah, what was your process? This is like a serious question. First day of post you're seeing almost all of it, like like like like like like how does it work in the beginning. I'm just curious so our brilliant editor Brian Kates, Short Bus, Fame, Private Life,

The Savages. M He's amazing, He's amazing. He uh, keep compliment my a d R. Well we'll talk about r king well, because I kept going, I'm doing a bad job. And then Brian goes, it's always the ones who think they're doing bad actually, because I leave every ad R like I think a R is one of my great skills. But so Brian, um uh. He wanted a few extra days to finish his assembly of the movie, and so I had, like I had like four or five days to just decompress, like not think about the film, try

and like put that behind me. Um. I remember I had like jacked office, sat around and tracked off. Yeah, I know. I was still in New York. I had like a fancy dinner and and I I came back to New York like just like chilled, saw some of Seawan's friends. Um, and then I just shown as his boyfriend his boyfriend is he's gay gay gay lover? I love that. At some point, like in the process of getting to know me, Joel was like, you have to stop talking about your boyfriends. L O L wait, your

irold you like Irold. Every time I said, like, oh, like the guy that I was dating. This is not about you're talking about too much about your boyfriends. It is the fact that you have had seventeen boyfriend Have you had a lot of boyfriends? I've had I've had four. Four. How old are you? That's a lot. I've had four. This has been my longest relations Once every ten years, he's had a boyfriend. Did you have a boyfriend when you were young? I had. I had two college boyfriends too,

and one of them broke my heart. Then I think I'm so much better off. But then but then guess what he broke. He broke another boy's heart. It's just it's a terrible. It's a cycle. It's just like anyway.

I want people to move people, people wounded people. I watched the assembly and it was I think it was like two hours long, and I I couldn't watch it, Like it was really hard for me, Like I just kept thinking about the shoot, and I kept thinking about like I wish we got this, or like the beach looks like it's raining and like and so I just thought of all the problems and then it's not until you kind of get your hands in it that you're like, oh, like like it, it's I get it, I see it.

You kind of turn it um and I you know, I think with every cut, I felt like, oh, like it's turning into something that was really beautiful and um and and something that I hope Joel is going to be happy with. He was jo You were the first screening for Joel. I was shaken in my boy, you were shaking in your booties. But I remember you saying that that first screening went over so well. Yeah, I thought it was great. I loved that version of the movie.

I think that, like, there are definitely things that were improved by like notes and things like that that we got from the studio, and there are things that I missed certainly. Well that's going to be with everything. Yeah, but I do think that I am glad that the movie is under an hour forty ultimately, like the the actual movie with credits, it's longer, but like, yeah, I'm like, not every movie needs to be two and a half hours. No, And I actually hate when they are, Like I think

it's a great length. It never feels like I don't know, it's it's a joy to watch from start to finish. Although I will say watching it the first time, I think as an actor in the movie and experience too, and I was actually surprised that you did not have this experience. I still have this experience. Well yes, but like I wept after the first time I saw it, not in a good way. I was like I had

like a dysmorphic down. I FaceTime you and was weeping, like and I then I watched a second time, and you had this experience too where you first saw it and we're like, oh my god. And then the second time watched it, and it's like it comes together in a way. There is like a shock of seeing yourself play a situation that you kind of It is a very meta film for all of us, and so watching yourself do it, it's like and I think maybe it's a thing of watching yourself on camera, to which I'm

not really very used to, to be honest. But the second time I watched it and was able to watch it as a movie, I was so moved and like beyond proud to be a part of it after I got over the shock of seeing what we had done for the first time. So maybe that's like the same with you. Too. It's like you watch it for the first time and you think, oh my god, you're so self critical, you can't get over it. And then like you'll see it again and it starts to become more clear.

Is that correct? I think that's it's it's it's like there's a there's a weird um like shock you just like seeing something that you've done. And and also like when it's not like fully polished. You know, there's something about filmmaking, you know, it's like it's such a fantasy and anything that takes you out of it, it makes it difficult to like assess well. And it's also it's

like a unique sort of process. This is in the television because when you're when I'm writing the script, I'm seeing it as it's being created, like I you're when I'm when someone's painting. They're seeing it like slowly form and be created. But like it's not like there's still

so much work. And even just like from the that first cut to now with like the mixes, the sound has changed every time I've seen it too, in such a remarkable way, Like I don't even know how to explain, Like just hearing everything is it makes it so different, I think, But I think you're summing up like a really a really nice and a general in a good way creative process where like clays on the table, you're like, God, look at this fucking clay, and then you mold it

and then and then there is that like moment where you want to fast forward to it sooner where it's like, oh, now it's starting to come together. There is just this crucible you have to walk through everything, especially with writing, especially with like anything that's generative. I don't know where you just get You have to get over that first phase of like, oh this this is rough, this sucks.

Not that you felt that it sucked or anything, no, no, but there is a thing of like especially when you are the director of the film, and it's like your responsibility to curate it, like this is both of you too.

It's like it does like once you write it and you start in it, it leaves you for a second and then comes back to you in this form and you're like wait, what, like especially like being a control freak about like the jokes in the script and like working on that stuff and like shooting it, getting the takes, and then it comes back and it's like, wait, this is a part of the process that I did not have the skills for, and you have had all the skills from the writing to the acting to the producing,

and then it goes away during this crucial part of the process, which is editing, and then it comes back and you're like, oh my god. And it's like that adjustment period it is like a little shocking. And I mean, just I can speak for Bowen and I like we were just actors in the film and it came back and it's like, oh my god, Like it's it is like a shock, especially when you realize that like ideally and probably a lot of people are going to see it,

you know what I mean. Like, I just remember at one point while we're editing, I think a bunch of us got together here in New York and remember that went out to and and I was telling bow and I was like, oh my god, like it's like you brought up Fire Island on the podcast, you know, and Boone was like, you know, we need to stop talking

about we need to stop talking about that. And I think the next episode, like like Matt was like I saw the film and then and then you were like, but we're not going to talk about it, and it made it sound like it was bad. Well, you came over to my house with a few of the girls.

It was like Louis Fortell, Gossake was there, are and Nico was there, and we watched it like in a very contained atmosphere and watched it on my television, which always bums me out because like it's skips, like and we were streaming from the computer and it was like skipping a little bit, and I was just like by the end of it, and then I remember we watched we watched Tomas and Diana on Netflix, which is like an ingorgeous palate cleanser, which, by the way, some of

the songs were actually really good. Were they not stopped all? They were good? You looked away from me and the songs and Diana were good, the Bob Slay and go off and but but anyway, like it was like you're watching it rough and you're like, oh my god. And then I realized, like, never again can I watch early cuts?

Do not show them to me, Like I'd rather just see it when it's when it's fully done, because it drives me crazy, like especially then you see it and then things get cut and like things get shifted around, like and then you do kind of like feel grateful to be just like a part of the process and then like be able to wash our hands of it

and then get it. But I think we all did feel, even though like we were only merely actors in the movie, like an ownership over it, because I remember when we wrapped, like and we were all posting our like instagrams about it. I remember saying, like, while this is still ours, like this feels like really really good because it does have a special place and I think all of our hearts because it is about so so much that's very real

to all of us. And it was funny because we had gone to fire all in the month before, and then it felt like we were back like acting out the experience of doing it. Like definitely, I think for all of us, like and habing like a younger version of ourselves. And I think that the three of us here like all played roles that were sort of like, if not written directly for us, then like you know, inspired in the writing a lot. Would you say, yeah, No, I mean actually you you of the people that I

like had in mind while I was writing it. You two are the only ones who ended up in the movie, and so like, I think that we knew that, and so walking away from it was very emotional, and I wonder like how you felt like walking away from that experience. And I also wonder like what character you relate to the most, no no, genuinely like and I wonder like, what was your connection to what was your connection to the piece in that way? I mean, for for me,

the connection was always uh, the Noah Howe friendship. You know, like I have a group of gay Asian friends who you've met now, you know, and they're so fun and lovely and I I didn't know they were a part of your pitch deck to which makes uh and I just really uh, you know, I really connected to the fact that here's a film that has to like queer Asian American leads, uh, and they're super different and their friends like that to me felt really uh like special

And it's like and as someone who's made queer Asian American film, like you know, spawn Ny, it's a very sad, you know, lonely perspective. Um. And so that that was how I, you know, came into the material. I also love Pride and Prejudice, Like I love Pride and Prejudice that Joe Wright. Pride and Prejudice is like my comfort movie math Matthew, No, Colin gets like the Darcy like iconography, but like Matthew, well, my favorite Mr. Darcy is now Conrad Rick and Mora. I mean, come on, we've got

our gay Darcy. You know you guys like everyone listening like you're gonna absolutely get your life watching him in it. He's so fucking good. So well, remember when you and I met for the first time, like you were like the big draw for me and this for this project was that it's Pride and Prejudice. It's about Jane and Liz like that. It's it's like an opportunity to tell that story, but you focus it on a different point. Yeah.

I think that's like the like the brilliance of Joel's like querification of the stories that you take it away from the romances and you focus it back onto the chosen family. And I think that that's something that queer audiences really understand. You know, I've been saying, and this does sound like a total sound bite, but I've been saying the thing that Joel has layered on so well, is that it's about belonging, and like, I don't think I would say that pride and prejudice the original text

is not necessarily about that. It's about divides in a way. But it's like, but there is this thing about people's conception. People's notions of Fire Islands have to do with whether or not they feel like they belong there, or if they go with people that they feel like they belong you know. So I feel like that's like the brilliant thing and we're just something someone's pulled. A bunch of

people have pulled obviously from it too. Is like that that I had not really zeroed in on either, is about like desire and why we desire and how much that drives an experience like this one um like for example, and I think it's actually in every single character that's that has a main plot in the movie, is just like this idea of wanting and wanting to be wanted and wanting to be desired. Like, was that in that

in your head the entire time? Oh? Yeah, I mean, because I think that's like a huge part of my journey over the last like five years of like of being in New York and then being in l A and then like exploring like all of the like no fats,

no fems, no Asians bullshit. That has like been sort of in me since I downloaded Grinder in two thousand eleven, you know, like, and I think like it's followed you coming yeah, yeah, yeah, and coming to terms with like understanding that like I want to be desired and by who and all of these things, and then working that out over the course of the last several years. It's like the whole reason one of the big reasons I wanted to explore um this story through the lens of

class vs. V. Prid and prejudice. Yeah. I wasn't on that trip where you were reading that book, but I do remember you came back and like then you wrote that piece for Penguin Penge that it's they're publishing Tupping hang One Random House. Yeah, they have a website. They had a literary blog that isn't that wasn't then defunct, but they added just that essay back. Yeah, you can find that the essay is really brilliant. I wish I

had read it before you had. I had it it was because it wasn't it wasn't anywhere they took it. The whole blog that it was a part of went down, so really yeah, that's cool that they brought it back though. Yeah, it was nice. Yeah, No, that's and that's the mapping is just so it's so clear, you know what I mean, Like it's just it's it's it's a home run, Jolie. Thank you. We're very proud of you. Thank you. Are you stick of hearing it? No? No, I just I

don't know. I don't like it has I'm not quite able to absorb it right now, I think, And I think like part of it is like wanting to enjoy this period where it's still like ours like you were, like you were saying, where it's like still ours and then you know, come Friday, when it's out in the world has seen it, it feel like this part will be over. And we were staying on the way over here, like man was like the discourse will be broken open in a way for better or for worse, like it

will be like in another set of hands. Yeah. I think that's also like also, what's sort of comforting about a process like this though, is that ultimately, like it does not belong to you, it belongs to the people that it's going to affect. And I think that that's actually kind of nice, Like we think about it in a certain way of like how it's going to be discussed on social media and what are going to be the things that people like decide to hammer on or

like talk about. But also it's like, Okay, I went on YouTube and I typed I was really high one night. It was like really late at night, and I typed in the words fire Fire Island trailer and I saw I saw someone's response video to the trailer, and it was this person who was so sweet and doesn't have that many followers on YouTube and was so exciting movie.

And it was just truly like him watching the trailer and laughing and his eyes got so big, and like he said in very few words after the trailer was open, was was was on and he said very few words about the movie, but he said, it just makes you want to go to Fire Island and like have experience like this. And I thought, that's really who the movie

is for, you know what I mean. It's for people who are going to like live this experience through the movie, and it's about it's about friendship, and it's about Yes, it's just like I wish it wasn't so cliche to say, but the Chosen family and how important that is and how it's still important even though we've all been lucky enough to live that experience for such a long time.

I started crying, Um that that's like really it's it's very meaningful, and it's so it makes me so proud to be a part of an Honestly, I was so emotional at that that second screening that I saw for so many reasons. Yeah, well we watched it again at my house and I was like beyond moved, but not only just because of that, because of like the image of love that we get to see at the end of the movie, you know, the nod to you know, the past, and the song that's chosen. It just like

overwhelmed me so much. And like you did. You boys did an amazing job, and you did such a beautiful, beautiful, beautiful, beautiful film. You did a beautiful film. Well my sister as a star. And let me let me turn to you right now and say you did that, queen. What were you to say, Andrew? I was just gonna say, to go back to your previous question about like, you know,

it's like letting go of it. And and I think that there's a certain understanding, um of my work where uh it's like I have to find a kind of meaningfulness in just the process of making it, you know. And and I think it has to do with how when I made my first feature Spawn night, like I was like, who's going to watch this? Like I don't

know if it's going to get into any festivals. And so for me, I said to my whole team, I was like, even if this doesn't go anywhere, I'm so happy that we did this together and I'm so glad

we made this right. And so I've I've held onto that through driveways and then even on this even though I knew that it was going to be on Hulu already right like it already had guaranteed distribution, I was like, let's just make it so that, um, we have a great time doing this together and whatever happens in the

future is bonus, you know. And so that for me, I think has been really like healthy and like thinking about like this release now, you know, well, I think you did a brilliant thing which was before the table read.

So this is before like most of the cast had met each other for the first time, but you had me, Angel, Matt, Thomas, Torrean, and Margaret come early and you sat us down and you were like, everybody go around and like share an experience you had either on the island or like a fond vacation memory you had like with friends, or like with your chosen family. And this was like and like Matt, Matt, Joel and I knew each other, but then you know the rest we weren't. We were getting to know the rest.

And it was the perfect level setting of just like everybody coming in with the same shared notion of what like this movie, like what these characters were going through. I don't know. It was the perfect thing too. I really that stayed with me the entire time of shooting. I was like, oh, Andrew did that for a reason, um, and I'm really grateful. It's like so much more fun to talk about, like a fun trip we've had versus like tell me about your coming out. Everyone going on

this table and say an interesting fact. Yeah, yeah, I think we ask Andrew's questions. It's time. It's time, okay, Andrew, because we've asked Joel. Um, this is Joel's appearance on this the most freaking guests. He's a co host the third one time. Bowen will sometimes will sort of log onto the virtual room and be like guys, I don't know guys, and I'm like okay, and then Joel always comes through. It's like when Lisa Link comes back to

host of Yeah, that's ask him the question. Now, Okay, Andrew, what is the culture that made you say culture is for me? Um? So, I think I've been preparing for this. I've been so many different answers. I think it has a lot to do with um it's VH one's pop

up video. Oh my god. Yeah, there's just something about it where like I realized, like I realized, like true is something that you can like analyze and has a backstory, you know, and I loved like like I don't know why I still remember like the Jamericai Virtual Insanity video, like more blood was supposed to gush out of that room, you know, like because of Papa video or like uh

for it's all coming back to me now. Celine Dion like like um, when she's brushing her hair, the fact was like over brushing leads to alopecia, you know, like the most bizarre things. It's the reason I know that that third Eye Blind song is about what like Heroin is from because of Papa. I wish you would step back that one. No, um no do do do do do do? Do? Oh? Yeah? Yeah yeah yeah yeah. Um did it teach you about like production or whatever like

into like isn't that what is that fair? Is that? Like? Maybe? So that's a good question. I don't know. I mean

I think I think it. Uh. There was something about UM uh like visuals and music and UM and how those come together that like did fascinate me, Like I remember and this is like somewhat related, but like UM in college, I was like obsessed with UM music videos and I like sat my best friend down, you know, Charlie, in front of the computer and I was like, you're watching the maps video for from the and she was like that was good and I was like that was just good, like and I could tell that I had

this passion for it in a way that like made me, uh like like want to learn how to make it, you know. And so that that was a segue. But I think with popa video, I think the other thing too that was fun for me was like because I think I was ten when it came out, like and just remember like talking to my friends and being like, oh my god, like did you see the POPA video?

Like I know this about this song and like and I lived in a very kind of Asian American suburb of Los Angeles, um, and like my friends and I would go to karaoke after school, you know, and like just like the stupidest things. Like I think that's when I realized, like culture is super it's shared, right, Like I remember like someone saying, Sarah McLaughlin, I will remember you, and then like a number of us did the and I just like we couldn't stop laughing. And I was like,

how did we all know this? And it's like because we all like watch the video and we all knew the song. So it's like there there's something about that VH one MTV, but more VH one I think for me. Oh yeah, I was definitely a VH one. I wasn't allowed to watch M was H one just ga um. I think that vhe yes, it was presenting like light sophistication.

It was at the time. It was more a doc contemper and so I was allowed to watch MT NO I was not allowed to watch MTV because my mom associated with sexuality overt sexuality, like trashy sexually, like there was always blurred out, pixelated nudity, and v H one was never going to show that. But what v H one did was it was more of a sensuality. So my idea, my my like my like cultivated like idea of what like sexuality was was less like horny teens

making out open mouth on a beach. It was more about like Shania Twain like draped off the shoulder shawl man in a bathtub in that black and white music video. Yes, and also Mariah carry my all in that tight black mini dress like singing over the Black Lake, you know what I mean, and then her like on a plank and like she sort of makes that with a guy and like you see just like her back as a

shaw comes down, like it's like tasteful nudity. But whereas like and I also and also was they were obsessed with the divas too, you know what I mean, Like MTV was not showing selendion. I'll going back to me now, like pH one was like they were concerned about like the ladies and not like the boys and the girls, you know what I mean, in a way that I think was formative. I love that Mariah carry always be my baby video with her and like the tire like

it's so good, so good, so good. I do want to say that there is a Mad TV pop up video sketch parody where it's Maria Debord Wilson is Mariah singing the Lover her Heart and it was the heart heartbreaker, but the parody. But but like it's all these people being like Mariah Maria, Mariah is acting weird in this whatever and then and then and then the last one is Mariah popping up and going, Hi, I'm Mariah, I'm from Mars. And I just want to say. One of

the funniest things about Bowen TV. He is of, Hey, we got Matt TV better on our antenna. We didn't have cable. We got mad to be better on an antenna than we did SNL. So I would watch I would typically watch Matt TV first and more often and SNL. I like, if I got the Bunny ears just right, then I would watch Bowen loves it All. Bowen loves Miss Swan, I love Stewart, I love Miss Swan. My family and I would watch mad TV and miss Swan like we laugh. We laughed because it was actually not

really even. It was a nondescript, nondescript like amalgam where it was like kind of like horses shoot into like not even being Asian anymore. Well, I also think that like there is something aut also Swan is not an Asian. Well, there there's also something about um like first generation versus

like second generation. Like there's a like a hilarious YouTube video of like first gen second gen like Chinese Americans eating Panda Express, and like the second gen like our generation is like, um, this is disgusting, like this is not Chinese, and the first ten is like this is delicious, Like they're like loving it and they're like it's not Chinese food, but it's great. And there's something about that where I'm like my parents watching this one, They're like,

this is an Asian but it's hilarious. You know, would you ever direct a music video? Started? I was going to ask that I've done a little. I've I've directed to music videos for a friend, Dia Frampton, who I think is so oh my god. Joel and I watched The Voice every week. I was in a voice fantasy league for many seasons. Do you Frampton? Frampton and she's she's so good as a performer, Like, and you sent me some of her songs during productive I did. I asked you to listen to Die Wild as a way

to get me. Oh god, and so in the Holley mood. I really appreciate that. But I I love Dia and she she said, hey, like, you know, I'd love to work with you in some way. This was right after spaw Nite, and so I did these two music videos that like have uh like more narrative, you know, there's more of a story. Um, there's a love story between

Dia and the actor Yoshi Siddar. So um where I recreate the Darcy hand moment she slips and falls and he like helps her up, and it's like and I showed her that moment and I was like, I want to recreate this. Uh so yeah. So pride and prejudice has really been a part of life. Yeah exactly. So you're saying you're reusing shots from the people's movies. What is what is our hand moment? It's the dance. It's when I put my little like gay risk ends up

on Conrad's shoulder. I didn't notice that until this cut, this most recent, the final cut, I didn't notice the gay rest. Such a raptor is the claw. I hate it. It's one of my least favorite parts of the movie because I think it looks so goofy. But that's part of the movie that you're like, oh, yeah, that part, any part where I walk it's an extended scene of me walking and I look stop and what you do this? You do you do this? One of them? Yeah? It

did you notice that that we added like a little yawned. Yeah, I did bowen rye this whenever we watched the scene of him falling in the water, the scene from the water. What is it about that? It's so good where I'm like screaming in the pool. It's fun it's funny that and it's truly me in the tub where like Joel invites Joel. I know, I know you hate that. I

love that scene. I think it looks so you're armors look so good, you know, But it's this, It's it's the shot of me like kind of like looking up. I know, I know, it's so good. It's my profile is like, no, it's beautiful. Something I've had to let go of in the last couple of years is that I have no like objectivity about what I look like.

It drove me into the ground. I cry, I wept. Oh, it was the scene where it was the scene the scene at the end, which is I don't want to spoil it because this episode is going to come out before the movie movie. But when we have our moment on the dock, it's just I can't like it's just like it's just like a chin thing and I'm like, I can't I can't stand my chin. But the thing is like you're watching it and like no one would

see it but you. But that's what you you do not have permanence watching herself or you think you're going to show up on screen and look like fucking you know Ryan Reynolds. It's it's so beautiful. Well, and I think it's also like we also have too much troll over what we're putting out of ourselves now because of the Instagram of that, Like when the second you lose control of that and like you it's like I think

it's just amplified ten percent. Like I will say, every single piece of press that I've posted of myself over the last month. I think I look bad in almost all of it. But I'm like, but again, but I've let go, I've just said I've just said, well, this is not what I look like, but here it is. Um So I don't know, it's crazy. I remember though, shooting the movie and I literally was like, I am making a pact with myself. And I did this for the series I shot too. I am not looking at

a single daily I'm not looking at any shots. I'm not I don't want to see any footage of it, like until it's over, because I think of the death of like your ability to act comes when you see yourself doing it, because like then then you're literally going to think L O L. But I saw Jennifer Lawrence say this too, like she was like, I would never look at a picture of myself as still of myself, because once you're thinking about what you look like, you

cannot act. You cannot do it. I mean, I think it's the it's that trust with the the way he's pouring the water into the fully fully, It's it's you have to. It's the trust that you give to the director right like they have to for you. I think I was very fortunate that like you all like trusted me, and I took it very seriously, you know, like I didn't. I didn't want to, uh like abuse the power. You know, we're all extremely nude in the film. Yeah, that's all

new and nude. Yeah, I mean certainly the most nude we've all ever been on camera. That's true. But I feel like Andrew, really I know, I know you say you like had a light touch and such, because it's you know, you were trying to let us like the bring the comedy or whatever. But I feel like the it just made the moments of you stepping in and

actually really shepherding the thing so much more meaningful. I don't know, like the the times why you would have to come in and like really like set me emotionally. I thought, we're always like so well done the bone, like the Howie emotional moments are so good, they're so good. Has more moment in the film. I'm gonna say, Bowen is Demi Moore in the film. That's and that's all will say. We're gonna say, and if you know what we're talking about, you're a real reader. Wait, okay, wait.

A random question was Yeah, yeahs was it was there like a next Straan any because because of Karen Now, like do you know she I didn't know she was Karene until like five years ago. I didn't know that she was Korean either for a long time. And I think it was just like really into the music and and just her performance in that videos. Yes, your performance in this movie is amazing. Who is the best? Who is the best music video actor? Who's the best pop

star acting in their music videos? Shad O'Connor, Nothing compares to you. Come. That's a really good That's a really good one. You're you might might be hard to beat on that one. I think Atlantis is actually pretty good video, Natalie, And it's it's one take Jesus, I will say, my favorite music video ever. And it's so we I've talked about it a bunch, talk about it. It's cool. Gwen's

the fun. Oh Gwen slays that really good. And maybe it's not like the best acting in the music video of all time, but like the video is filming, the video is gorgeous. Have you seen that video? I can't remember. It's well, she's she's she's blonde, like she's blonde in bed like sort of saying the camera like reminiscing about this this like this reminiscent when she was and then the flashbacks are all these like beautiful like like Italian

like this. The song is about like seeing someone that you were in a relationship many many many years later, and isn't it great that we're we're we've moved on and we're we're settled in our new lives, but we still remember that. And so the video is this thing of like she's inviting him over to her very palatial home in Italy and like he's got a new wife, and like they sit down and like the second they locked eyes, like it flashes back to them when they

were young. It's so good, and Gwen is serving. No one revers Gwen as much outside of this podcast. I have to say, the number of times she appeared on a songbook, the number she's on a couple of times, she's more than Maria. Mariah only has one song on the People. Yeah, but Mariah's got a whole episode of this podcast though. Yeah, can I say on top of Papa Video, because Papa Video also did really influence me and make me want to make things too. But the

other thing too. If I had to redo the question today, it would definitely be I think. I think enough time has passed. That was the culture they make you said culture was for you, Joe. This is so funny and that's my I don't think so, honey, that there's no shut up that opers. We were just talking about how bloopers are. Bloopers changed literally like everything for me because it opened you up to the the world, like beyond just the show. And you're like, oh my god, there's

so many people involved in this. There's so much going on. They're like a family. Like I've watched The Office bloopers probably more than I've watched The Office at this point. Um the friends, bloopers were always banging, like I loved it the end of movies when they would play that, I'm telling you, like, I feel like if our movie didn't end as emotionally as it does, like and it is sort of like it's like it's a it's a cathartic high point. It's it's a great way to end

the movie. But the way I wanted bloopers. There were a lot of bloopers. That's I think that's true. I think, and I remember you being like, is this movie funny because we're not breaking and laughing And you said that if few times and I was like, guest, it's just like we're all just doing And also we did. It wasn't like we were made of time, you know what I mean Like that, I think that was the thing is it was such a tightly scheduled shoot. You know.

It's like we just had to move so quickly, you know, and and like some of those scenes like like the sun is already set, were like we need to get like we have twenty minutes right that day, the day the waves were crashing on the dock and we had to shoot that scene on the dock that was so rong.

So we were everyone reading the readers. We were going to shoot the finale which takes place on the dock on this day where truly I've never seen the They were crashing over the dock like there was no way, and we're really trying to figure out a way where it's like okay, so we're gonna talk about how you guys can do this and not die, like and it was this thing too where we asked our like safety person, who like is uh nautical captain or somehow and we

were like, it's like okay, like this is high tide, Like how how like how long will it take it till it gets lower? And he's like, no, this is low tide. It was a day and we just were like and we had a pivot and shoot like the boardwalk scene. Yeah, you know, which I think is turned out. Really it's great. It's really great. Yeah, people listen, we listen to this episode after you've seen the movie like

a lot more. My My favorite thing about you, Matt in the movie is if you look like your hand tries to make it into so many shots, what are you saying, like if it's like not your coverage and you'll just see your hand snaking, are you dragging long fingers? Don't touch my arm? Are you dragging? You know? I'm just saying it's like you love It's like you love the camera. You mean, like like the character of Luke like just kind of like wants to like just like

like get in there. I think it's great. It's like we put that like in purpose in the movie, Like there's a real sort of floating into the shots. There's like I love the moment between you and James Scully near the end of the film. Oh, I know you're talking and rolling with the homes and it's so good.

There are three there. There's which is in the trailer, I believe, and then rolling with the homies, and then the other one is like a very oblique reference through Clueless and it's um it's a reference to the scene in Clueless where they're leaving the party in the valley and they're like you go with him, and it's like, no, it doesn't make any sense. And then they're like they're yeah, it's like such if you watch the movie, you could probably miss it. But to me, in my head, that

is a Clueless reference. So being this is kan cuckoo but like to be in like a gig, Clueless rocks. And so I love it so much. It's my favorite movie of all time. Probably. Yeah. So I mean, like I literally whenever anyone comes in here and says Clueless as their culture, that culture was for them, which happens a lot. Dr Wendy said that and like I was iconic,

and like, but it really is. And like I remember you said, like when we were doing the movie, you were like, is this funny because we're not breaking Like this is this is happening. And you had a day where you did not think the movie was funny, and you were like a couple of days you were melting down,

and I was like, it literally is. But now you watch it, and especially to watch it with a bunch of people, you realize, like there is a quote ability to which I have to say, I understand when comedy movies and comedy series want to be like dropped in and quote unquote grounded, but leave in the quotable lines. And you have to because it is. I mean, you can like when you said that culture was meant to be shared. I remember when I realized that you share it.

We were literally at Bowen and I were, and we've done it probably every third time. It's the most basic thing about us. Yes, we literally our friendship is often quoting, and then we do it again the same line, and then we do it again simultaneously. So Bowen and I are like a lot of our friendship is just doing the mean girls monologues. I can't invite you to be a party because I think you're a lesbian. I mean, right, she was a lesbian. Girls there's gonna be color in

their beating suits. We're doing it. We're doing you did this for when I said I saw a to you terror bitch. Excuse me, lady, too wrong feet. And but this is what I'm saying. If you want the movie to live a shared cultural asset, leave in the jokes. What can I say the iconography has to stay My Rudolph asked me this question on set for Loot, and we were talking it would turn into like a week slung conversation that we don't quote movies anymore? What is

the last? Because of them? Honestly, it's Bridesmaids And it's like it's like it's it's these movies that are not afraid of being hard comedies. And this is something I really feel strongly about, is if you want an audience to fall in love with a character, give them jokes, because the serotonin pops when you see a character come on screen and then you think I'm going to get a joke, like subconsciously in the back of your mind. It's like if Jenna Moroney had no jokes, you should

just be unbearable, like period, Do you know already? Like what a quotable? I know one? Yeah, from Fire Island? I do what's serious? Um than well, I mean like that is like the top. No, I think the one is not even a line that I wrote. It's Matt's improv, which is, um. Well, my two favorites are and eagle eye listeners will or eagle ear listeners will have to listen for these, but it's um can I can I trade anyone a crest white strip for a prep pill

and I was really proud of. And then James James Scully has my second favorite, which is they really don't like it when you put makeup on animals. It's very subtle, but it's wait, can you ask a question? Everyone's like, you have to stay after the credits. You have to stay after their credits. What is after the credits? No, we can't say. We're not gonna tell. I haven't. I don't know what. I don't think so I don't think I saw. It's just the very end of the crowd.

And it's it's a it's an audience, it's an audio. It's not like a cut scene. But yeah, you'll just have to stay. And I say, what's my quotable line? Honestly there's a lot, but honestly, okay, I give me yours. No, it's it's not one of mine. I think, well, the whole mercer tone anything I think is iconic, and I

do think that the sometimes number is iconic. But in terms of lines, m hmm, I haven't seen it as much as you guys, but they are there, And that's this is what I'm saying, even if I can't pull it right now. It's that there are lines there that are like, Honestly, I think the fact that there's so many, I guess I'm excited to see which ones jump out at the audience. I have another one, uh, Nick Adams. Nick has so many. That's that's why it's so weird

and kind of like, I didn't say that. You said that. Oh my god, I didn't say that. You said that. That's really irresponsible of you to say. I actually love that he's of a different culture. The words of a different culture. That's one. Yeah, I love that really funny. Also, just like Tomasky, I'm like, bitch, who is this? Like, I don't know just things. The sunset is also yes yes, yes, yes, yes yes again everyone come back in this film. I'm I'm so excited for everyone to see it. I really

really am. Can we talk about the cast for a second, because I think that something that is so great about it is like I mean I think that Boe and Joel and I obviously have like a years and years long friendship, but it really did feel like when we got to set and Bone and I had met Margaret, Joels met Margaret before, but um, when we got to set, like it really especially at that first table read, I really feel like a maybe everyone was really excited to be a part of it, and so it was bringing

a good energy. But be like immediately like we all wanted to really hang out with each other, and like I wonder if you could talk about like just like watching that happen and like how what what the casting process was? Like? I mean I remember, uh, like you were the first person I think cast. Yeah, I was, Yeah, you were the first because we were attached even before I did audition twice. And I remember like Joel was like this is for man, you know, and I was like, yeah,

I get it. And then I watched the tape and I was like no, perfect like perfect because and I really mean this, like I've said it before, like gay genlem alone, you know, like that's like the perfect lydia you know, what's funny. It was announced that I was playing Lydia, and everyone online was like, oh, of course he's Lydia, to the point where I felt a little drive that was like okay, girls like relax, like the thirsty mess like and a review just I'm like, Okay,

that's how that's inter staying, which is fine. Um, but I think it takes like there's uh, you have to have so much fun with her, you know, with that character, uh, and then she has to get into trouble, you know, Like and I think that like I trusted you with that, you know, um, and then uh with Keegan, you know, we wanted to find like someone who could stand up to you. Yeah, exactly, and that's really hard. It's super hard,

you know. And I think a lot of people, a lot of very like cool actors, yeah, fancy people like we just we just didn't feel like we couldn't find that person. And then Thomas, like Joel said, like like Thomas's audition like makes me laugh so hard. And I

met Thomas on Zoom. They were hilarious and and actually I kind of loved that, um, Like I think maybe because Thomas went to the Fame High School, le Guardia, like they're so well trained to you know, just like technically, like I gave a note like such amazing you know, uh, such an amazing adjustments, Like like Thomas was so good and then I think for me just was so much fun to hang out with. You know, the energy truly changed the way we spoke. It was like living in

an episode of Legendary Yeah, like that vibe. Honestly, like maybe number one thing I'll obviously being with my sisters, but number two is like Thomas, Like for me, just like and meeting and knowing I was nervous about it because I knew that this person had to sort of be like another half of my body. And meeting Thomas immediately falling in love and we had the best time.

And I mean I think we all had that, but like to have like I mean, I know what it's like to have a real sister, you know what I mean, and so like to have that actually feel like very natural. And I remember you saying like, you guys should pretty be pretty amorphous from the beginning, like literally physically on

top of each other. Thought the entire thing, And like, honestly, in the film, you did an amazing job with that because literally we are physically entangled for most of it, but it didn't feel like I had to act that, you know what I mean. Thomas is brilliant. Yeah. I think Joel and I both saw very quickly like how you two would get along, you know, um, and then Torrian.

I mean it's so funny like, uh, Joel, you had worked with tor and yeah, and I just like I remember seeing his tape being like, holy crap, like this is so good and and well also and didn't have an agent or anything we had. I think they've reached out to him on Instagram because I was like, oh, what about this guy? And then they like couldn't Yeah, and it really worked out. And I just there was

something about Torrean's read. I wonder actually if it's because he works in casting too, that like like every joke just like he landed every joke. Yeah I didn't. I just spent the screening to the the l A when that we were all at every single joke of his. Yeah,

they all land huge hard fireworks. It's so funny. I mean, like I remember because I think he had auditioned for Keegan as well, and his Keegan is so different than his mat was also amazing, you know, Like, but it was just this thing where I I a zoomed with him and um, I was talking to him and at one point we I found out that he plays the cello, and we're like, should Max like bring his cello to the island. And it's just this like other thing that's

like so merry about him, Mary Bennett, you know. Um, but like I I think I saw in that zoom like just someone who has such a good heart and was so inspired by the story and like knew the meaningfulness of this film. Like I was like, oh, like we are all going to come together with this like shared purpose and like get along like so beautifully, you know. And then Margaret well, and I'll say this too about Thomas and Torreon. Kitty and Mary are the most underwritten

characters in Pride and Prejudice. They are the most periphery of the sisters. And I don't think that either of those parts would work in the movie. I mean, because everyone gets a moment in the movie at least um, but they bring so much of themselves to it that it's there all. They fill in so many of the blank spaces, I think, and just like there wasn't real estate to service everybody on the same level because it's

it's a large ensemble movie. But like, they bring so much like specificity and individuality to those roles that like fill in the gaps in my writing. And I think like would not work. It would the movie wouldn't work without the two of them specifically in those parts. I agree. I know, I love her so much. She's so good. She's so good, she's so funny, and she uh like

it was just the sweetest human being. She's a great vibe. Yeah, really, I mean, like and the dog Lucia well and originally written to be an older gay man Casta cast an iconic older gay man in the role who had to unfortunately drop because of other engagements. And literally the day he dropped, Margaret Show reached out and was like, I want to be in the movie, and I was. I barely had to rewrite it from an older gay man

to Mark. Yeah, I barely had to touch it. Although but although like her being this lesbian who was from Trade Grove, like is so perfect, and also it solved a problem I didn't even know. I can't imagine it without her. But then then you know, like there if you know, readers who haven't seen it, like there's a scene please come back and listen to this after you've

seen the movie. Um where she just you know she she has a great moment where um that is all informed by like that characterization that only she could have done. So so cool, And then you had I think we all had a really nice individual moment with her where we're like, God, this is someone we've no I think every gay person on set at one point pulled her

aside and told her how much she meant to them. Well, I had already done so b B G. Background is Bowen, And I got her on the podcast like years ago, and this is when the baby podcast just like a baby podcast, and she was I think of the biggest person that we had booked, and like I had been on I had told you for years that she was like a hero of mine, like like like closing my door, putting my earphones and listening to her albums, like her telling me what my sense of humor was like from

from from the computer, you know what I mean, or whatever. She was, So we were so I was so panicked to meet her back when we had her on the podcast that I was like rearranging the chairs of the furniture in the room we were waiting. I was so interested, nervous, and I think we did a bad episode with her because we were so nervous. And then meeting her to

do the film, I was anxious. And I remember we were sitting at the dock on the dock on her last day of filming, and we're just sitting there like it's like a quiet moment, and she turned to me and she said, I just want to say, this was a really great experience doing this. Do you really make me laugh? And I literally turned to her and I was like, I was like, I don't think I can express the words right now because I cry. But she's so meaningful. I think so much more than she knows.

And I remember when she was on the podcast years ago, like I told I asked her like do people tell you that? Like do you get that? Like I think she does definitely, Yeah, definitely, I think she gets that. And then she she pivots it right and she like, how do I how do I foster this like next generation? You know? Like she she doesn't waste the platform, you know, And I think that that's what makes her so special.

She's seen it all and she is this like she is herself an icon, but she's also this generational bridge between like a Joan Rivers and like, you know like us or let's say, you know, like not that we're like that whole spectrum or whatever, but it's like she is this person who like has had to interface like in so many ways and so many different capacities like actor, stand up, comedian, you know, reality show like like like talk show, host, like like all these different like she

has like what a what a career? Like, Yeah, there's not many people like her. And then I think like in terms of like the more nefarious characters are like the like the like I think we all had been a fan of Nick Adams, Nick Adams and the brief with Nick Adams was so hot and scary. Yeah um and nailed it, check check um, saying I think was the second person to audition for that part, and we wanted him for a long time. We love seeing yeah, and just the sweetest guy couldn't definitely the the most

Nick and him are the most opposite. So I remember like Nick would come out of his trailer. Nick would come out of his trailer in the clothes and like the sheen, and like just the way he looked was

so it was violently it was violently hot. It was like Kendall hot, like walking Kendall and I never he would come out of Australia and we would all just laugh, like and we would just laugh at how hot he was, and he would just roll his eyes and yeah, joke that he's so freaking funny and good and a sweetheart, and it was. It was so funny. We made Nick Adams so shiny, so shiny, you really leaned into it.

I forgot a birthday, you know. And he's wearing that red hat hat, right, it's like a designer red hat. I think he's head to toe. Every every outfit is head to toe, mostly allocated to I would imagine a huge part of it. I remember like we were talking about I remember when we were casting Decks. You were like, it's going to be maybe this person that we know and then this other guy named Zane. And I was like, for super supernxious about it because knew we would have

to do like a sex scene in the movie. And I was like, that's the person that we know, Like I'm comfortable with that. And he was like yeah, but you haven't seen Zane. And I remember you sent me Zane's audition tape and I was like, oh uh yeah, maybe it should be maybe should be the same character brutal. I think it's he he like so good, knew how to like draw someone in like books. And I literally on his first day of shooting, I said to him in that store, I said, you should and will be

honestly w show in three months. I'm a fucking which because it happened, Um and the like. Shout out to the Legacies fans if you're listening, you terrify me. Yeah, those those girls in their vampires don't get in the way like they they're really into it. Any any fan cam community, I'm like you all, you all are powerful. Yeah, it would never speak a word it against the fan.

Can't community? Have any fan done? And then shout out to Aidan Warner and Mikey Grispha, who were both lovely and Michael Grospha really got the comedy of that part.

And it is like a very small part, but he is so funny and and honestly one of them, Like every time I watched the movie, like James impresses me more and more like he's so guileless and so like he's such a puppy dog, like he really like kind of yeah in a way that like I was reading a review that like lightly commented of the fact that like he performs the guilelessness in a way that makes it believable that like Howie and Charlie end up together in the end, they're both so kind of pure and

and they're coming at it from like two sides of purity that like you it makes sense that and you're rooting for them hopefully like by the end, and that like it it works the scenes of their innocence drawing

them into which of like the puzzle. Yeah, like that all works because like you believe the puppy you know what I mean, Like it's it's and it is like every time there's a cut to them by themselves, I'm laughing because like it's so innocent and sweet and then it culminates in that beautiful way, and that's really starts the water works for me at the end of the movie.

And then Conrad, who I I remember, like there were I did not write this part to be an Asian man, and there were things about the original script that did not work if if I cast my Lovenges as an Asian man um and because originally um the actor we cast at Quimby was African American, and so it was like I rewrote it for that. And then when we saw Conrad ste I was like, I don't know if this will work. I'd have to rewrite the script. And

I was feeling very lazy. Uh. And then Conrad came in and did the chemistry read and I remember steps out the door. I was like, I will rewrite the script for this man. I never get texted me and you were like that could not have gone better. I was like, wow, that's so exciting. Is what did you say? Like he was the only one to like I went up on my lines and I wrote the thing. It was. It was so obvious in the room, you know, and like like the like when Connard pulled you up like

you were caught off guard, and I love that moment. Yeah, and it ended up in the movie. Yeah. Yeah, it's such a it's it was such a eye opening moment. And and Conrad is also just like so uh like wonderfully charming, you know. Uh, but he was able to like give you that Darcy snootiness at the beginning, you know. And I think that that transformation of how the audience like sees that character, like very few actors can pull

that off. I've said it impressed before, but it is an indictment of Hollywood that this is the first time Conrad mckamore is playing a romantic lead in a project because he is so good at it. Um and I think it's not the last. There was Bone. Do you

remember we were It was when we were shooting. I think we were shooting in Sam's Point and we were like messing around at the trailer and the car pulled, the van pulls up, and Conrad came out and he was like backlit by the sun and shirtless and came out of the came out of the van, and we literally were going We were like it was like that scene in the movie where it's like the soundtrack was like weird, like that type of thing. We were just

like we were just like we were a god. And he was like, what's up, guys, And we were like just watching you fucking absolutely destroy our life. Wow. And Bow and Yang is you are so iconic in the movie. Baby, You're so good and I'm so proud of you in the Spirit Award to the egit, the friends. How are you feeling about all of it? I'm so I just I feel like the way that Matt feels like, I'm

just so grateful to be a part of it. And I all I can all I can really think is like reverence for joel In Andrew, Like it's just I can't believe you guys, like not only stick the landing, but just like I don't know, like stick the landing and then immediately build something foundational that like goes up back up, you know, does this does this like metaphor make sense? Fuck you? Um, I don't know, just just just I'm I'm I'm so I'm I'm so lucky, so lucky.

I'll never forget shooting it on the island. That to me, like while we shot from most of it like off the island, but those two weeks like really dominate the process from me in terms of like I can't believe we all lived in that house. It was sometimes I think there should be a movie about the making of the movie. Yeah, like a documentary crew should have filmed us. There is and it was called Instagram Stories, and everyone saw it. Everyone watch. I want to I want to

super cut. That's what I want. I want a super cut of us Lord great music video actress Lord Lord's reference in the movie when Ye said Lord could never we're giving we're giving it all away. No, it's okay. There's a lot of spoilers in this podcast. I think you need to believe it all out. Okay, No, we don't, and you don't tell us what to believe. It's time for I don't think so, honey. Now, I know Andrew is so excited before we get into it. What do

you think of Tellor Swift? Why? Why? I mean, it's just I think I missed the Taylor Swift boat a little. I think I'm like just that little bit older. I'm sorry. I mean I know her songs. Patti Lapo loves her. Are you different than Patty? Different Patty? Okay, say, what's your favorite song? Um? Ever, what's the name name a song that doesn't have your Taylor Swift um song? Do you like? What's the one with the music video where it's with Clint Eastwood? Song wild Dreams? That is the

favorite of this pod. Wow, the streams, it's so dreamy, I'm so beautiful and lovely but problematic, right, No, come on the music video that she's doing it in Africa. Yeah, yeah, I mean the music videos. Whatever, I don't. I don't love that song for the music, but I love that song for the song. I don't like any of it. Well, you like will This Street? I don't. I like out of the Woods. That's what does that mean? You can't

like while the Streets? Exactly? The best time in that album is I Wish You Would be the most arena rock eighties, which is the promise of the album is that she's giving you eighties pop. But the most eighties sounding songs are out of the Woods and I Wish You Would. That's it, that's true. The best song, the best song on the album is Welcome to Hey, if waiting you welcome to Loocome to New York. Now, it's type I don't think so, honey. This is where we

take one minute to rail against something in culture. Man, I think you have something that we've already alluded to. But I can't believe that just means sisterhood. Sister are you? I'm gonna do it? So this is Matt Rodgers. I don't think so, honey. As time starts now. I don't think so, honey. Lack of bloopers and stigma around blooper culture. One of the funniest things you could do is break It's so funny every time. That's why Jimmy Fallon was the best SNL cast number of all time. He's so

famous for it. And a blooper culture should be in every comedy film. And I'm ashamed of this film that I'm in, Fire Island starring Joe Kim and Bowing because there's no bloopers and I know we can scrounge together some bloopers. You're telling me that I didn't do a good enough job. You're saying I didn't do a good enough job, that there's no bloopers. Don't an a that this is not your I don't think so, honey, it's mine.

And I feel that there should be more bloopers. And how come at the end of every comedy film I have to see not bloopers And I sat through even Marvel said, you're telling me that there are those costumes and they're not laughing. Sometimes you're telling me that sometimes Elizabeth Wilson just go up on the line and say, oh shoot, and everyone laughs on set. It'd be so funny to see more bloopers now for film. I don't

think so, honey. And that's one minute. I think. I think the fact that all cinema is mc you now is maybe the reason why you're telling you. And there are Marvel bloopers though the Door or something like the on the funny ones. They do not do bloopers in their credit they do, but one. That's what I'm saying. It's okay, I will say. I will say that there was a request to create a blooper reel and I don't know what happened to it. Well, who requested it?

It was Searchlight requested it, and and our assistant editor, Matthew Buckley, he like, I was gonna put it together and I don't know what happened. Well, we follow up. We gotta follow up. That's the thing you have to do. Follow up. Give us the give us the bloopers. Why don't you I have I have I have two options. I told you mine earlier today, Matt It has nothing to do with the movie. When has something to do with the movie, I'll do the one. We're all here,

this is what we're never gonna do. This is a once in a lifetime opportunity. This is a once in a lifetime podcast event. Taylor Swift episode of This is Bonang. Think so honey, this time starts now. I don't think so honey. People saying, oh, if I see the Fire Island trailer on, you know, in my fucking algorithm again, I'll kill myself or whatever the fuck. Stop being gay online? Then it's your algorithm. Don't blame the movie, blame your algorithm.

Stop typing in Andrew Christian Jockstrap on Google. Stop typing in Caroline poet check Carle ray Jepson mash up on SoundCloud. It's your for being a faggot so that you can get served up this trailer. It's almost gonna be out. It's gonna end soon. This is just temporary, I promise you. And look, I'm not actually telling to be less guy on the internet. I'm just saying, like, it's fine. We all get personalized ads that like our attacks. All ads

are attacks in this personalized world that we're in. I'm getting like shapewear ads, which I'm actually okay with because my stylist has has gotten me onto them and they actually are and they don't. They don't have to be gendered. Are we doing here? They don't. I don't think so many people. Stop showing me the trailer. Just watch the movie and that's one minute. It's just it's it's a problem with the culture and not the film exactly. And that's with all concerns and the film. It's a problem

with the culture. But there are critics of the film who are like who are critic who who are critiquing the film based on things that are about the culture and not the movie literally, like the drugs and that that that actually sucks. Keep it in the therapy session, Mom, mom, Mama, house. Hey, listen, stop googling Caroline Politech, Carlay Japson, Nash. If you don't want to watch the Fire Island trailer, then listen to Caroline Polittuck on Spotify only where they don't follow you.

And then that's your cookies off. Turn off the cookies now said, can I see my uh my favorite thing about your I don't think so, honey from a few weeks ago with Michelle Yo the Coco Lee not winning the Oscar for a Love before time. Uh so no, no, no, so I have a fun story about that. So I worked with James Schamus on Driveways um, and he was a producer on Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon and he co

wrote a Love before Time um and uh. And I told James, I was like, I love that song, like I love that song and he told me that before the Oscars he was waiting in the green room with Angle and then the show yeah and uh and uh. James was like, God, like, what if what if I win for for a song? Wouldn't that be hilarious? And ang was like, I didn't vote for you, Dylan. I think he voted for Bob Dylan. That's so I don't

think so, honey flop. So that helps us if you say that Angry is a flop on this podcast today, that's what you're saying loving. We've all been saying wedding, banquet, winning, bank winning banquet, suppressed cycle. I'll say it, hulk flop Flop was misusing. Jennifer Connelly is she misused. I saw top Gun and she I saw top Gunnaverick the other day and she definitely has like highlights in it and sort of a slang my hair party about top gun Naverick.

Is she She's like a sailor and then she sails a boat and then they got off and her hair is perfect. She's like, all right, come on, like Jennifer Connleys, she gave more than I thought she was going to give her Do you think so? I love her? Love Jennifer beautiful mind? Is beautiful mind? God so gorgeous? In that movie? Uh? What is it? Uh? The Kate Winslet film Little Children. She's in the m c U. She is,

but not in Hulk. No wait, wait, who is? She plays the new voice of Captain America's excuse me, Iron Man ai and which is funny because Paul Bettany was the original voice of the day I and is married to Jennifer who they're married, Queen, didn't bet you didn't know that? I bet you goes back to the depth heard trial, Paul Betts. God, we haven't even sorry. I didn't even mean to bring it. Okay. Next up we have Andrew on Andrew on this is I don't think so.

Are you ready? H I think so? Yeah, Andrews, I don't think so many As time starts now, I don't think so, honey. The meme format tell me blah blah blah without telling me black. You know what that is? You know what that is. That's just show me, that's just show just they show me that your boyfriend is never going to leave you, or like show me that your cat is clingy? Right Like, I don't think so, honey, take a writing class. I don't. I don't think so honey.

Read a writing book The Elements of Style by Drunk and White. I don't just drop elements of style. You know who the white is. That is PB White, the writer of Charlotte's Web. He knows how to write a good book. I don't think so, honey. Could you imagine if Charlotte had to weave out, uh tell me you're some pig with she would be dead. She would be dead the Wilbur Wilburt like in the Slaughterhouse, totally dead side of Bacon. I don't think, so, honey. Tell me

blah blah blah blah blah, use let words. And that's when minute I think. Didn't Charlotte die? She didn't. She passed away, passed away. That's actually one of the saddest animal deaths. A spider now less. Yeah, I rack and death. Who knew we could connect to someone? So? And that's the magic of eat White and therefore take the Gotham writer's workshop courses. Hey, where's the gay reboot of Charlotte's Web with with Templeton? So pathetic because your tongue came

all the way out of your mouth. I forgot I had to do this. What what are you talking about? I always forget. Yeah, I think always had something. But is an icon of the form. He's done some incredible I don't think so, honey, this is I don't think so honey. Time starts now, I don't think so honey. Subtitles. I've been watching you. I've been watching you, and I don't like what you're bringing to the table. Subtitles. Okay, because listen, I don't want to read while I'm watching.

I don't want to read while I'm watching. And I know that subtitles aren't necessarily for me, okay, but I don't like the embellishment. I don't like the editorializing that subtitles sometimes to beholden to do. When I'm watching my friend Matt Rogers on a show called I Love That for You, I do not want to see sassily laughs Okay, I don't want to see derisive snort let me be the judge visually of what the snort is doing. I don't need your help. Subtitles, step aside, step titles, okay,

because I don't like you. I don't like what you bring. If I wanted to read a book, I would read a book. Okay, that's not what I want to do. You're distracting. I'm looking at the bottom of the screen. I should be looking at the eyes of my friend Matt Rogers, and I love that. For you. I do not need to know that he's gay. I can tell from his movements, and I don't think can I say something sports sassis The word sassie is inherently homophobic in

such a dark way. And also the character that I play on that show is not not sassy, he's dry. Would you describe me as sassy on that show? I would say what your arms are doing? Or sassy, but not your voice. But not keeople writing the subtitles sometimes take they take liberties, and they're not okay. No, Honestly, if a straight character laughed the way I laughed on that show, it would not be called sassily laugh. I

hate sassy. I hate subtitle pass on fire. Wait, look at that wait, can I say to wait, what sassy fact walks into room? That's what's gonna say, under every under every word. I can't remember what subtitle we were watching the other day, but actually the artists behind the subtitles were actually really good. Because someone said, oh, it was drag Race. Someone called the Mona called herself a thick queen and they spelled it correctly at th h I C and I was like, good job girls, good

job girls. Quarrels. But it's when they describe something in brackets that's when they think well, and sometimes they're just they're just playing wrong and they don't circle back. I love to catch the mistakes, but it's a distraction from what I'm there to do because I'm not there to read. I'm there watching. You can't get the intimacy. Do you watch drag Race? Are you watching All Winners? I'm I'm watching all Let's get the people what they want to

talk about it. Let's get listen nobody. I guarantee you nobody wanted to hear us blather on about our fucking movie. They wanted to hear us talk about All Winners. We said it with a two hour episode, and what are your thoughts. I mean so far, like the love has been spread right, like no one has more than one star, legendary,

legendary legend stars. I love it when they're dumb, but I mean like Jinks obviously Slade, uh snatch game like amazing the ball was cool, random ass theme, but yeah, Vanna is the thing is the gag of Vanna surprising them was very funny, but as a category, it's not super interesting. It's like downs, who was it that? Like,

did it Evie well? And I think they had to cut it weird because Evie just didn't do the assignment at all, and so like if I were Vana Wett, I'd be offended when Evie walked out in a gigantic red big and again and not even a gown that Vanna would ever wear on that show, like just completely disregarded it. And I have to say, Okay, I do

like the non elimination format. I think if this is how this is how we get actual stars and actual talent back on the show, then by god, let's do all stars in this way, not even all winners, regular all stars so we can see the gs. We can see Asian Kim che back, you know, like We're never gonna get those people back because they have no reason to sully their their non winner, but still good you know, reputation by going home early. I don't need to see

Serena Chatcha back on my screen. No, actually not an all star. And we say that with all the love and respect to know, and I'm sure she listens, but listen, it is tough. I think also in terms of all winners right now, Oh, I think that because the better tread carefully bit, No, I lost it. What was I gonna say? Oh yeah, this is the thing that I somebody else on our groups that I've noticed this and I agree, is that it sucks. Raja has been third in every episode, so Raja has solidly been in third,

and then some might argue second. I actually think that she should have been in the top two for Snatch Game over Trinity. Oh my god. I thought what she did was better, funnier and more interesting than that was. The makeup work on both of her characters was insane. I think it was smarter. I think that gay Satan was not an interesting enough take. It was, It didn't it was first thought, it didn't go to the second line returns after like the what kind of gay person?

You know, like give me some more specificity there than just gay, like southern gay guy, which you are, Trinity. And then also I thought Leslie Jordan was great. I think the funniest part of the entire episode was I think she I think that, I think honestly, and I get it, like Raja was excellent at the snatch game, like that was so much better than I think anyone thought was gonna be. But I just think Trinity was. There were more jokes Raja had that she was playing,

and Raja looked fast. And I also thought that Madam was really good and the transformations, like she probably could have been top two on that alone, I thought, I thought. And I also thought Roger did better at the runway and but again runway on that show, it like sometimes counts, it sometimes doesn't matter. Like the reason Roger wasn't in the top for the ball was because of Olivia, which I liked that. I thought that was smart, you know, like I get I get that it was like so old,

but it's perfect. It didn't read honestly, I think had had had she come out and like was sandy from the neck down, and like really, John Waters face like a no wig, like we would have gotten it because Roger could have gotten taken it all the way with the John Waters face and the cookiness of the face and like given Sandy body. But I don't know. I just think that it wasn't thought out well enough and for someone that watches every single runway to not know

that that mustache wasn't going to read. Shout out to my boyfriend friend of the pod, John Michael Centina. He said she should have done. And I agree Olivia and johnsho Volta, Yeah, that would have been so good. Yes, Oh that would have been that's like right there. Yeah, it's like it would have been a slay and she would have won because she had the best fan of and she had the best and the best like original

made dressed. Then again, and Jada, let's not take it away from Jada Jada, and so was Trinity Trinity, although Trinity gives me the impression that I kind of feel like Trinity have that design ready to go and was like gonna make that dress no matter like she's like I've got something like in my back pocket, which not to take away it's in saying that she made that in their day, like no matter how she came to

the show with it. But like, and I think I think a couple of the contestants would have done well to have thought it a little bit more in an advance about what they were going to design for a Ball Challenge. But yeah, I'm just gonna say, I'm a feeling Jada is really going to blow us all away. You think so, Yeah, I underdog narrative, underdog narrative. She's so, She's always she was always impressive her season afil she only lives think to ones, I think yes, and I

just I've I've really enjoyed it. It is. It's hard to it's hard to gauge with her because she does well and like obviously she did want the Ball Challenge her first season, she was in the top for that and so like design that's there, but like it's one of those things with like Simone were like she did good on a lot of she's a funny and she did good on a lot of the comedy challenges, but

flopped on some of the other comedy challenges. And it's the same with Jada, where Jada is very funny, but like is like sort of flopping on some comedy challenges and not others. I don't. I don't. It's it's she's a wild card, because like I think she's amazing, she's one of my favorite winners, but like I don't know how she's going to do here. Yeah, it's I think the only person and I I'm sort of on record, I am not an Evy oddly fan, and I think

she's the only person that's like not measuring up. But I will say I like Evie. I like Evie better on this season than I did on her original season because it feels like she is like not necessarily there to compete as much as she is there to have fun. I don't think Evie. I don't think Evie expects to win.

I think Evie is there to do her, which I sort of like because the reason I didn't like her on season eleven, and she was so overly competitive and there was just an edge to her, like a competitive edge to her, which I was just like I think took Maybe it was the edit, but it went too far. And now it's just like to see a fun side of Evie, Like it makes me feel like less on

edge watching. Well, here's the difference too. I think is that like Evie was on an extremely non competitive season, and so like the thing is is, like you can be annoyed that Evie was like calling out the competitors for not doing well, but the fact was they weren't doing well and Evie was doing well. And so like beyond Brooklyn Heights on that season, there was no competition for Evie, and like now there is, and so I think she doesn't have that like chip on her shoulder

because she's not. She's competing against people who are good now and like she's like learning and there's like she she even said it in an untucked this last time, she's like glad to finally be like making friends with the girls that she's competing with, because I think she respects them and she didn't respect the girls she was competing with the last time. And I will say, Monee is doing great. I actually you feel like because because of the plunger, it's like the people that are perceived

as the front runners are gonna get sucked over. And I think you because I think she has a really good shot at it unless she keeps getting blocked. And I think that it's the same with Jens. I think Jensen Shay are sort of the ones that like everyone's looking at the yeah, because they are sort of all around good, like they each have like one weakness. I

think everybody. Trinity is maybe the one though, that is probably poised to do the best because she is sort of like, I don't know she's the best in all categories, but she's competent at least in most of the categories. Well, we have seen her do extremely well in comedy and fashion, whereas like with Shay, and it's never been more clear to me than this season, how fucking stunning is like in and out of drag and good at the competition, like good at the Game of Dragons, Yes, but the

comedy is sometimes a little dodgy. Yeah. I think she's a very smart, serious person yea ultimately yeah, but like an incredible competitor. Unbelievable, I mean, like and hits the runway and it's just like like that that everything out that crown, like the royalty look that they had to do. The first week, I was like, this is so and you have to have such an eye and taste to put that together because it's like it doesn't seem like

it would go commanding. And then way she walked with Naomi campbellt in front of and you could just tell how meaningful that was. Yeah, well, we love this really quick top four for all of you. Who's who's getting the most legendary legend stars? And I think I'm gonna say Jenks, Trinity Shay, I hope Raja, I hope raj gets in there. I'm gonna say Jinks, Trinity, Shay and Money. That's where it's headed because because again for the well

rounded thing, because Money really figured out the fashion. Sometimes she comes out and doesn't look right, like her van a white was not right, but but like there's times when Money hits the I think they were all genuinely except for Raja and maybe Jada and Trinity. I think they were all a little bored with that and we're like, we don't want to do this because I do think

looked great. It was just not the category and like it's kind of rude to have Vana stand there, and then they were like, oh funk, I'm not completely because I didn't want to do this. Each was giving Junior problem in a way that was by the way they uploaded the clip. The just the van a white portion of the runway and the title of the video is van A White Scares drag Race, and it's like, that's not what she was doing. It's surprised surprises if it really was a cut to like fucking like Raja being

like that was it was so scared. When I saw Vana's reaction was like super they all were. They all were very funny. Yeah, except I'm actually not entirely sure that Evie recognized Vana White four van A White right right, which is like, oh, some some chic lady. And I think I feel like the Vivian didn't recognize me. But that's just a cultural I mean, Vivian is doing good. Yeah my Shay Jinks Trinity. I think Mona is gonna make it. Yeah, where are the same? I'm gonna say

it's funny. People keep talking about how Monai is playing the social game very well, and I don't actually know that how much she keeps saying it's gay Survivor. I'm like, no, that was all Stars like four or five sex, Like this is not how Survivors. It's just so funny that like these alliances are happening and there's and then everybody keeps like being like, are you in an alliance, like they keep eaves driving someone who actually like Love Survivor.

I love these queens who have a baseline understanding of the show, like girl, we need to do it a lot, and it's just like, what does that mean? Don't for each other? And I love and Shay completely, like just with like a couple interrogating it just a little bit, it like falls apart, like so you don't want us to vote for you, and you're saying this now that you already have a start and money is like maybe

maybe that's what it is. Minor Jinks, Jay Trinity, And I'm gonna say Jada because here's the I don't think they will block Jada, like I think that the pattern has been blocked the person who won the week before. I do not think next week, whoever wins, is going to block Jada interesting and I think that that will give her an opportunity to bake it back up and surprise,

because again she's a little unpredictable. I think she is considered maybe one of the underdogs of the season, and I think that like no one whoever next week, it's it's a comedy challenge, so it's probably gonna be Trinity, Jinks money, and I don't think any of them are gonna block, but the trailer made it seem that they

all did really well. True, So okay, the only reason I hope for Raja is that well for obvious reasons, but I think the show it's in the interest of the show maybe to have Raja in the last the top four, because it's like I think, I think it's so cool that Jenks is being introduced to like this new audience. In a way, I feel like it's there's something cool for them to have an old quote unquote winner.

Well here's the thing though, I wonder though, because it's a lip sync SmackDown at the end, there's always the calculus of like who's gonna put on the best show? You know? And I wonder, I do wonder, like if they're gonna consider that because I wonder what the thing is is Raja has adjusted to the game that it is that this show is now better than I think

anyone could have expected of. It's completely different. It's a completely different show now and she's slaying it every single week, and like stuff like the first challenge for the it that was not something that they did in her season.

I mean they did like the single like punk Rock Challenge or whatever that music challenge, but beyond that, they didn't do the like the verses that they have to do now and the dancing that they have to do now, and Snatch Game is very different from her first Snatch Game. The bar has been risen, Like I just think that, like she's doing so much better and even if she doesn't win, it's a it's a big win for Rajah

coming back on bring Back Bbisa, Harmony Um. I want to what I want to see if it's if it's not winners and we go forward, I want to see kim Chi Asia like you said, I want to see um yeah, G G good. I want to see Brooklyn Heights got I want to see honestly, Cameron Michaels. I want to see Dieter. It's still top five one of the best things that Yeah, that lip sync is, or at least the lip sync Assasin. I can't believe she

hasn't been brought as that is an assassin. Also not for nothing but Queen from last season that that made the hop for um God God Aeria Angeria. I would love to see back like I could see Angeria coming back even without the incentive and no eliminations, because I think she would do well. Yeah, and Lady Kimda won't be great. I mean the last season was strong, maybe Rose like you know what I mean, Like like there's

a lot of queens from that season. Candy me us should come back, Like, but I think you are going to get more interest if you're not going to eliminate them. This looks fun this season. If I'm a former contestant, it looks fun to do and like we as an audience are having a lot of fun watching. Yeah, because it's better when the people competing are better and Jinks can be like I hate my dress and laugh and not be worried that was so funny and not be like I hit my dress and I'm worried that my

reputation is going down in flames like the god. Yeah, I mean the only stakes for them are humiliation. Yes, that's it. Yeah, it's cool though, I love it, love drag grace it well. Joel Andrew, thank you so much. Thank you for being here on La School Truesas. What do you have to say to us? Um? The acting was so good. We end every episode of the song you tell me you're in love with me, I think

you're gonna take a bit it from me. It's not that I don't wn to stay every time you come to say for the rest of that song, you gotta listen to the Fire Island movie. What