"Hags Are Here!" (w/ Margaret Cho)

The sort of pounds to dollars? Where are we at? I can figure out pounds to dollars. Well, this is the thing about the UK is the UK is like totally bill less. It's all electronic. Oh, people don't really throw cash around anymore, which is good and bad. I think, well, let me just slutt in one thing. Did you figure out your meatpie situation over there? I've gotten so many request gusts and I will be trying all of them. I will be trying all five hundred. So Bowen's big

thing was being in the UK. He can't find his meat pies. And what I'm hearing is that the readers have sort of come to your aid sort of when they sent me all those recommendations from what I was looking for pumpkin beers in l A. Well, they didn't send you recommendations. They literally sent you pumpkin beers. No one sending me meat pies in the mail, which I am kind of disappointed in. Well, they wouldn't travel. Well,

bo I don't think it's neither here nor there. Think a meat in a carb is a standard thing in every cuisine. If they can make it work for tacos, they can make it work for meat pies. I'm just saying, speaking of twenty five, seguing into Adele, who was nominated for her album thirty so interesting that it feels like a loss for our Queen Beyonce, even though she did break a record. It's so strange. It's like she's the most winning artist in Grammy history, but they will never

give her the big cake. But they funk up the cake all list every year. And that's the asterisk. They funk up the cake every single year. And this is my thing with the Grammys, just like when are we beginning pretending this is good cake? Like when are we just going to go to another cake sto another bakery which is another word for cake store, and that's actually real culture number thirty nine. Bakery is another word for cake store, just like I like to call a pizzeria

a pizzas store. And you're always sort of correcting me on that three are dynamic, you know, like it's our Nickels and may routine, it's our Nichols in may routine. Can I just be very transparent with the readers, just just kind of killing me? Yes, okay, yes, yes, And this is important and I think it's really good that our guest is here this week because I think she can really mother for this talk us through this. But yes, Matt, go ahead. I have been on this podcast discussing this

is hard. This is I have been sort of talking about this new man in my life, my new boyfriend, Lenny, and so I feel like I wouldn't have come onto this podcast and talked about a person in my life so much if it wasn't a real thing, and I didn't feel really confident, and that has made it very difficult because, like, within the span of a week since I last recorded on this podcast, that's no longer a thing. So I'm kind of going through it, and I know

he has friends that listen to this podcast. So I'm going to afford some privacy and everything, but just suffice to say it has not been a good week and the cycle of grief that is going on. I think today I'm an angry soon yeah, um, but it's been a lot and Bones of course been a good friend, and everyone's been a good friend. But yeah, I don't know. I just felt like the readers some transparency about that it's not been good. I'm so happy you're sharing this.

I respect and admire the fact that you're sharing this because on the surface it might seem somewhat embarrassing, and it really isn't because you have people go through it. You really did nothing wrong in the course of the relations and ship, and we will spare this person any deep discussion and dissection. But it was it was a full love bomb and well and it's pretty shitty behavior.

Maybe that's the thing about relationships. Right when my end, it's like you want the closure and you want to like understand why and you want to really absolve yourself or like, if you did do something wrong, understand it. With this, I have so many questions, and I guess that's what's difficult. But you had a better week, I'd say, because you sort of got to like hug Pedro Pascal. Yeah, we don't have to talk about it. You fell in love, No, no, no, I mean there's no pathway for me, but um, you

don't know. Suffice it to say. I was deeply, deeply charmed, as was everyone. And that's the thing these sometimes these hosts come through and everyone is like, I think he wants to fun. I think Peter's into me. This is what happened when a Harry styles game like this happens like every time there's like a heart throb for Harry. Was like, no, he's not putting the moves on me. I'm not convinced, Like I recognize what he's doing, and I'm putting shields up, you know, because people like him.

That doesn't happen to people like him. Jak Sorry, I'm just quoting his Grammy. See. For him to say that him winning a Grammy things like this don't happen to people like me was just it was so a lot had to laugh. You had to laugh anyway. But with Pedro was just like, oh damn, damn, he's a man and a half. What did you say? He looks like Clark Gable. He's Burt Reynolds, Clark Gable, carry Grant all in one, and you are powerless against it. You are just,

I mean powerless against it. And he's so sweet and his laugh, I mean, if you watched Lisa from Temecula, where Ago would him legendarily to stake He laughs and he breaks, and there's a moment where he laughs in this like biblical register. He's laughing like God laughs at his own creation. You really are wrapped up. I'm writing

poetry about this man in my head. It's crazy. So you're in a place of your writing like happy poetry about your being in newly in love with Pedro Pascal, and I'm sort of writing like angry Atlantis Morrissette adjacent, like how fucking dare you? Why? Why did this happen to me? Like I'll get you one day, Missives. It's like on the back of checks, I'll write something really piste off. Is that true? I can just put it there.

And then I had a friend over yesterday and they sat next to the thing and I saw there was like a check, the back of a check, and I had written something really dark on it, and I was like, oh my god, if they turned their head a little bit to the left, they're just gonna see sprawled out on the back of a check like this. Angry thought, like, I have to clean up. Oh my god, Matt, no, this is you know what you This will be easily romanticized in like a month. Oh no, it's it's it's

gonna become something right now, it's just only pain. But but the fact, here's the here's the fact of the matter, my sweetheart. The fact of the matter is the fact of the matter is this. There's great medicine in the

Zoom treat right now. Because first of all, let's just travel back in times when our guest was on the first episode of Last Culture since they did, when we traveled up to Nayack, New York, and we were freaking out because we had never got a guest like this on the show, let alone someone that was like such a formative part of both of our lives. And then

we recorded the episode. I think we were both blacked out because we were so like nervous, and you were pacing in the hotel lobby like I've never seen you. The guess knows how much she means to me and so like I was pacing in the lobby rearranging the furniture because I was so amped. Then we recorded the episode a lovely time. Then comes the opportunity for us all to work together on Fire Island. What a time highlight.

Beyond the fact that we were working on this project, that we were lucky enough to be making a movie, the fact that she was sort of nurturing all of us in her way was really special. Will always cherish it, always, always, always, and I know Lucia is not far away. Oh my God, with no further ado, I mean, one of the greatest of all time. Just our friend. Everyone, please welcome to your ears. Mar Oh. I love you, I love you, I miss you, and I love you and I'm sorry.

But the thing is is that with breakups, it's really hard. Because I wanted to always wonder, like, am I mourning

the relationship or what I thought the relationship was. It's the latter for me for sure, because it happened so fast and it was so intense, and I've never experienced anything like this, and I was fearful the whole time that it would go as quickly as it came, Like it was something that I was like, it was in the back of my mind because that's logical, but I was reassured that wouldn't be the case, and then now

it is. So it's just like that thing of oh, I just kind of got in a way by myself, but not even not even because this person, Margaret was without revealing too much, was sort of assuring safety and protection and like security, and that's what's the painful thing.

That's the worst. I think. Also, if you're an entertainer, so much of ourselves is kind of spent in our work, and then the romantic life kind of stuffers only because we're traveling all the time, we're working all the time at night in particular, um, so we have less time

to kind of commit to relationships in general. So when you find something that you believe is ideal, it's hard not to fall into the pattern mentally of thinking this is going to be great, and then I project so much onto people of what I think I want, and then when it's over, it's like, did I really was it the relationship or is it my projection of the relationship that I'm warning. Yeah, That's what's really difficult is just remembering yourself even a short time ago with a

completely different reality than than you have now. And now I guess what I'm sort of working through is it's like, what were the signs, if there were any? You know what I mean. It's just it and it's odd because I met this person in November and now it's February, and I feel like it was like this big seismic

thing that just came in. It's like when someone comes into your life, becomes your favorite thing about life and just bails, and so then you're like, okay, wait, let me actually do the process of like grieving it, but also now the process of examining it, and especially as someone who creates and like is someone that works things out through common recognized pattern. Yeah, and it's just like you want to make sense of it immediately, but it

is a process. And that's also frustrating because I want to react to it, you know what I mean. I wanted to make sense, but so little of it makes sense because of exactly what you said. It's like, I don't know what was real at this point, right. It's so hard, and it's so hard when it's like your life is so interrupted by something so huge and then suddenly gone you know, like I still have pickles from November, so I mean it's still I don't and they're still fermenting.

But I mean it's like you know, those things, like it's it's a very it's short time to feel so many big things. And then I always looked too, when it's that big, it must be I mean I did that I created because it can't other people can't possibly affect me that much in my experience. That's what I realized, Like, oh, I can't actually have been moved by another person. It's

mostly my own projections ramming into somebody else's instigation. So for me, it's always like I think I kind have created them in my mind more than it was actually. But it's so hard. Dick is very Yeah, Dick is hard to get over. Sometimes we get we just love that Dick, and it's just really hard to um kind of separate our physical sensations around that with what's real. Oh my god, it is Dick, isn't it. Well, it's Dick is like kind of a metaphor for just the

idea of romance and wholeness. Yeah, my goodness, that really rings true because I think one thing that I really realized about myself throughout this whole process. Oh my god, Now is that I really do want that in my life? And I think I had gone for such a long time, and like, I don't know how you feel about this, but like I was that kind of person that was like, I don't need that. That doesn't complete me. I'm not looking for that. I want to be able to have fun.

I want to be able to experience time with my friends,

like experience whatever is going on in my career. And then all of a sudden, this thing happens where you're like, oh, wait, like this actually is a part of my life that in the back of my mind I was looking to fill that role and then someone comes in and fills that and it leaves, and I think, kind of what I'm grieving right now is that role being filled, you know what I mean, the future planning I was doing because I was made to feel safe to do that.

Now that it's gone, I think one lesson I'll take from it is, at least now you know that is something that you want, because you can protect yourself better next time, and also you can make space for that next time. Of course, it's gonna be hard to just open myself up again. I don't think I want to look at another gay man for a very long time right now, you know what I mean? My sister and a half I have to look at him at least

once a week on soon. But but like I really have been very afraid, I don't want to socialize with any gays, Like I don't want any part of it. Like I'm not that kind of person that can get back up and like start fucking do you guys like that? I can be just because I think, oh, you know, the idea of getting over someone is getting under somebody else. But that's also not necessarily productive either. Um, that just

lends itself to genital warts. But that's okay, I mean, which doesn't matter that that's never more there, that's fine, table. I think general wards are the thing that is lended personally. You don't lend yourself to it. It lends itself to you. It lends like it's a giver. She's a giver, she gives, she shares. But I think, yeah, like sex doesn't really do Like I kept thinking sex is going to help me get over heartbreak, but it actually just sort of doesn't.

It just kind of makes it more complicated. Yeah, it's also overrated. You know. Something my friend said to me was like, oh, it's not as easy to go out there and just like get laid. Like more goes on in my head. Like my friend was like sort of telling me, like you can go out there and just like get laid and like that's the way you get

over things. I'm like, it really hasn't worked thill, because when you have a large amount of sexual experiences like that means you're also having a larger amount of like weirder sexual experiences or like sexual experiences that get you self conscious because like you know, sex is weird or just aren't fulfilling period or it's just not fulfilling. So having it does not mean you're winning, you know what

I mean, Or doesn't mean you're advancing. It just means like, oh, yeah, you're putting yourself out there and letting people have your time and energy in this way, and sometimes it pays off, but other times it's kind of just like either boring or weird or wards boring weird awards. But with with this, what I'm angry about now is that you say you didn't think you needed this, You weren't looking for this and then now that it's taken away from you, it's

so damaging and devastating. But it's like this person like created that necessity for you. It's this manufactured thing that he's also taken away. It's like you not knowing that, like fucking I'm gonna like, I'm gonna just quickly. It's so innocent. I promise I'm gonna quickly just because this is what's so many of mine. I'm quickly quoting a

Lucy K joke. I'm so sorry. But it's that thing where it's that thing where like this guy like complains about, you know, in flight WiFi being unavailable, and this guy being like, oh god damn it. It's like this thing you didn't have existed ten minutes ago. You're you're sad and angry about not being available. It's not that, it's obviously not that, but it is that thing where it's like this person made you think that you needed it when you didn't, and now you feel like you're going

to think that you do need it. And I hope, I know it was perfectly fine. I mean, was living my life, was happy, and then now it's just like, Okay, that was nice. But now the funk. What Yeah, yeah, but that's why I need a Lucia. You need a little a little baby. She's sleepy. She heard her name, She's like, Oh my god. Do you think she mis Star Island? Yes, she does. She was such a star on that on that whole Remember as Adam, she fell

in love with Adam. Yes, Adam was a wonderful p a. She was so in love with him and she just really enjoyed her time with him. Oh my gosh, Lucia, it's so good to see you again. Readers, like you can't see. She is absolutely filling the frame. She really holds the Frame's a gorgeous She's a star. She's a gorgeous Chihuahua. She was the mascot of the movie. Oh my god, we all were so happy. She misses you. Guys.

Did you watch The White Lotus season two where there was a character of Lucia who was very sexually powerful. So I wish she could get a Skims deal too. She should, She didn't really get a Skims deal. Yeah, I'll call I'll call him. She was on the board for a second. It would be everyone's dream come true if that happened. Her is I want to start doing a series of hag exploitation movies with her and like, um, you know Baby Jane style like exploitation. Like, um, I

think exploitation is going to make a comeback. I want to do about like kind of etiquette calumnists from competing newspapers battling it out and one murders the other. It's called bad manners. That's powerful. It's it's let me tell you something. It's getting bought in. Let's pitch it, make to make decisions. We're buying on pets. Yes, that is genuinely I mean you already know this. I don't mean just not patronizing. That is a brilliant idea. I think

it's really good. I love exploitation from the seven sixties and seventies, and I feel like it needs to make a strong comeback, especially like with the success of all of her stuff, and then also these older women kind of getting these accolades, like Michelle O, this is like a time for us. Everything ever where has haxploitation. Anything everywhere is t exploitation. Hags are here, as are here to stay. So like, what is like the ultimate exploitation movie?

Is it like Mommy Dear. Yeah, for sure. I think the ultimate is whatever Happened to Baby Jane. But there's also you know, it's like straight Jacket. I think even Johnny Guitar would any of like the latter Joan Crawford movies All About Eve is probably Yeah, that's probably exploitation, really okay, So it can be prestige. It can be like literally like one of the best films ever made. Yeah, or like Carsonic and Old Lace or Carrie Grants the

fag in that hot. I mean, it's a rich, very diverse cinematic landscape that we but we haven't had the exploitation for quite a long time, so we need to start it up again. Yeah. The closest we get now is like eight for Brady, which is great too. No, but I think it's like the that's a movie that I would go see. I don't know if I would see it in the theater. I haven't made up my mind. I wouldn't see Megan in the theater. Last You'll have a lot of fun. You gotta go see that in

the dinner. I'm thinking of going to see A Dye for Brady in theaters, Like I think that looks Sudi saw it the other day and said it was fun. Matt, did you and I go see a book Club together? No, we didn't go see book Club together, but it's getting a sequel and we can definitely know, I think, and

we loved it. Yeah, book Club is I mean like when I saw the trailer for a d for Brady, I was with my parents because I think we were going to see the Glass Onion, and every all four of us is my parents, me and my aunt all turns to each other and we're just like said different variations of the word delightful. We're like, come on, like, who doesn't want to see those four absolutely going for it? You know what else I wanted to talk about. They look like they're having fun on doing press, Like Rita

Mirando is definitely like the Ham. She's definitely the one that gets up and runs the show. And Sally Fields kind of like oh yeah, yeah this like but you get a sense the vibes are generally good. Have you guys seen any clips from the press tour with Reese Witherspoon and Ashton Kuitcher Right now, they're in this movie called You're Placed or Mind, which is like I guess they played people that fucked years ago and they stayed friends,

and so they decided, like to switch apartments. One goes to l A and one goes to New York and they have these experiences and during it realized they still love each other. The press tour, it is I've never seen two people fake it less. They really look it up. It is wild, like it's just can we get a body language expert on this? Reese for this one standing in front, arms folded like this shoulders up while while Ashton is like on the side, like there's clear there's

like a fucking arms length between them. I watched one because I was fascinated, so I continued to watch interviews and it was I think it was an interview with like Rachel Lindsay for Extra and she was like, now, did y'all know each other before this? Had y'all worked together before? And Reese was like, uh no, well, well I'm looking let me look this up. Reese must have produced it. Yeah, I mean, don't just look at a picture of them standing each other. It is so clear.

It's it's like trending on Twitter because it's so obvious, just so funny how much she'd like either doesn't respect him or doesn't want to be there, or it hates the movie or something. Okay, so hello Sunshine, her production company produced. You would think she'd have some approval over her love interest, her Crowstar. I mean that's well, something

must have happened during production. Then it's such an anachronism that movie, Like it looks like it came out in like ten, Like it's a very weird like Matthew McConaughey Kate Hudson's style, like romantic comedy from their early two thousand's.

It's a weird throwback that. Yeah, it's very curious and it feels also like Dragon Drop Stars to Let's take it to Paradise, right, It's like, of course, like we we hit the ultimate jackpot and it's like George Clooney and Julia Roberts yea like and now we have this script. Reese is going to produce it. Who do we get that's like famous enough that this is gonna make sense.

Blah blah blah. Let's make it work for two three And they pick Ashton Kutcher and then they put them out there together and it's like, oh, they hate each other. Like that's like I'm not watching this. That's too bad because Elean Brush Mchanic wrote and directed, and we love her for crazy ex girlfriend and Devils Product of course, but this is God. I can't it over the race nation and sort of dynamic of it all. Then if that's I'm not talking about the movie at all. We

haven't seen the movie. It might be great just them doing the press tour. It is very evident interesting, wow, But how much do you fake it? Anyway? Like at a certain point and you just get tired of feaking it. Like I'm thinking, like, we didn't see you Margaret a lot for the press store of Fire Island because we did it kind of separately. But like that was like

a genuine joy the whole time. But like what if there was one person that was just like, oh, I know, I mean, we had so much fun making the movie and I just wanted everybody to see it. So you want everybody to say, like, feel the feeling of joy that we had making it and also getting back together to do the press junkets. So it seems weird. Maybe you can be such a big star that all that

stuff you're mad that you have to do it. You know that you're mad that you sec already made the movie and now you have to go on and do the extra work of the publicizing it. But who knows, Yeah, because it is a lot of work, I mean, you know, and maybe they just hate each other. I want to meet Pedro Pascal too. You guys would get along great. You know. Um Jonathan Vanese he used to be my hairdresser, but now he's too famous. But he Yeah, for years,

I love him. And then so we were excited when Pedro Pascal first came on to UM Game of Thrones and our nickname for him was by Pride because he was really proud to be by show his character and so by Bride. And then um Jonathan was doing the Game of Thrones hair during Comic Con and he called me, going, okay, because I'm doing I'm doing Bipride hair, and almost like was so funny because it was like, now by Pride

was his name. So every time I see him, I'm like, oh, it's by Pride, and I really want to call it when I when I see him, I want to call him by Pride and tell him why he's by Pride, because he's by Pride, honestly, for by pride to be the biggest star in Hollywood right now. I think it's so gorgeous. And you know, people like that, there's very rare where you feel like they are making love to everybody they meet. I'm describing, yes, Sorr, I keep going.

I mean I've never met him, but the only other people that I have met that have that is David Bowie and chat Oh my god, A course of course, Fat Wait went like in person. Yeah, we had lunch at the Pan Pacific Hotel in the very top um in San Francisco, in and um, John, we wanted to introduce us. We had this thing and then John laughed and then it was me and Chow Yun Fat and I was talking about all of his movies that I

had seen so many of them. You know, he was really impressed of my knowledge of even his romantic comedies and things that nobody had seen. Is like melodramas, Hong Kong melodramas, and he was it was big in his presence, was just like he was like making love to everybody in the room, but not in a sexual way and pure cinematic romance way like a Carry Grant or Clark Gable. That feeling but Raynold's that feeling. Um, it's definitely that. Yeah.

And David Bowie, Oh my god, that's a great little trio right there, and like a Talian fat and a Better Tomorrow, so good, so so beautiful, and and Crouching Tiger crouching just like the center of it, Like the stuff with him and Michelle at the end is just so heart wrenching. But like another movie I used to watch all the time, which probably isn't good but was on all the time. I haven't thought about it in years,

is his Anna and the King with Jodie Foster. Yeah, there was like a really shocking scene where like Biling gets killed spoiler alert for Anna and the King years ago, But that was like a very upsetting film that was I guess like another era of Jody too, because you don't picture her in that Movie's like a romantic, like very feminine lead. Jodie Foster. We have to ask Margaret

the question, because here's the thing. When we did our first episode with you, I think we were so excited that we literally did not ask you the thesis question the center of our show, which is Margaret Show, What was the culture that made you say? Culture? Is for me. I think it was in the movie Greece where Olivia Newton John turns into black late TEXI leather sandy and

she throws down distigarettes. Tell me about it instead, Um, John Travolta, and then they go in the big weird like fun house thing, um, and you're the one that I want. And it's like such a It was then and I was with my cousins in l A. And I spent the summers with them as a kid, and we watched it, and we had the videotape of Greece.

We watched it every single day, and then at night we would go out and drive around l A. And they were a little bit older meat, so they had a car and we would listen to Um Donna Summers Bad Girls. So it was like I wanted to be bad and I wanted to smoke cigarettes, and I wanted to like have like that perm and um yeah, like a bad Hole, which like Bad Girls is such a great record and such a it's such a the celebration of the sex worker, which is really cool. I I

really I love that record. I love disco, and I love the disco kind of grease fifties and seventies collide um. So that to me, I think it was like the cultures was for me at that time. That was when it popped off. Do you remember around what age you were when when hit. I was probably about ten or twelve, already wanted to smoke cigarettes. Yeah, definitely definitely stent that growth. Girl just stent it. I wanted to smoke cigarettes. I wanted to ride around in cars. I wanted to listen

to disco and watch Grease. Yeah, to me, it was a really formative time. And I got to work with Olivia Newton John later and she and I became friends. And she would come to see my comedy shows and like the improv in l A. And she would run up and she was just for fun, just for fun. You know, saw that you're here just for fun, just for fun, and run off. And she she told me

to quit smoking. It's just just just do today. And then I I so I quit smoking, and she, you know, she just really had a choke hold on all my everything I did. I really loved her. I can't believe she's dead, but you know, it's so shy, it's so shitty, but she was really iconic and I really loved her short hair. I loved her music album for like the video album for Physical, which was like the Physical video which had a lot of gay subtext. All of her videos had a lot of gay subtext, but that that

was a really great video album. And she was just she was awesome. The person who made you want to start smoking through a screen also inspired you to stop smoking in person. That's right, And that's the duality that is the Sandy bad right. Absolutely, I came full circle. So incredible. She's amazing. Wow, also like a real smoke show,

like just like really stunning. Like I think, like a lot gets lost because you're like, oh, it's just Sandy, It's just like a thing that's a particulture and assume. But like wow, did she like have it on screen? And her voice it was amazing, like hopelessly devoted. That's a really hard song. And just like the way that

her belt just like it just sours through it. It's like she has that rasp, that like emotional rasp in her belt that I think it was just really really special And you can tell how hard that song is when people just think they're going to be able to do it at karaoke, you know, they whip out of karaoke, They're like, oh, this one, and then like it's a real death spiral to the end of the song. It's

so hard. It's so hard. Yeah, she's truly like a multifaceted entertainer with the dancing and also singing and acting and just the looks, the looks that she served for her life. She's just incredible. So everything she's phenomenal and her in travel. So I guess we're like an it couple. Well she said, um, yeah, you know, wait it hang out. But after after Kelly, it just got weird. You know, I couldn't really, it just got weird, It got wead, it got weird. After got weird, I guess. So it

got weird for Kelly period. She just didn't feel comfortable reaching out. But I love that their collaboration. I love a twist of Fate the movie and song. Um that's a really lost movie, which I think is really good. Wait, are you guys horny for Travolta when he was younger?

Totally yeah, right, he's beautiful. I think That's another thing is because and the reason I say that about Olivia, like you don't realize how stunning she was is maybe because I started watching Greece when I was truly a little little child and like just thought of them as like the prom king and queen up there on the screen, and my sexual like conception of them sexually didn't kick in yet. Like the other day, I saw a picture of John Travolta back in the day and I was like, oh, fuck,

he's gorgeous. Welcome back Carter. Gorgeous. Yeah, welcome back Carter. He's gorgeous. He's really hot and carry really um, you can smell that semen off of the screen, like I you know what I mean, It's that like really like pungent semen. But you know what I mean, it's that really pungent semen. Yeah, you know what he's giving, Like he's actually giving and this is kind of crazy, but what he's giving in this movie, now that I've Google image it is I eat pussy face. Yeah, it's like

a dirty coming from the back of the balls. Like it's like a prostate mode, which I'm sure familiar with, but I'm literally I just zoomed in on one picture and I imagine, like his eyes are so beautiful. This is like the eyes of a man that you're having sex with someone and their eyes are so beautiful and it almost takes you out, Like I can talk this person with these eyes. What for me, it's the lips. It's always been about the lips fortravlt you know. It's

like that, it's that perfect little shape. It was a pre filler. No filler has been around for a while. It just and they just look perfectly plumbed. And like, how that's what Carrie is giving me? There was I there's a sexual imprinting moment for me, which is a

little bad. We'll do it. This was like Oprah circa two thousand four, but he was on Oprah and he must have been in his like what late forties, early fifties at this point, but like was working out like crazy and he just like at one point, like Oprah like asks him to lift his shirt up and he like shows everybody his abs. This is like in a pre tape segment, like not in front of the audience, but like, oh my god, I literally have the thing

right now. Wow. Yeah, he's given like daddy like not perfects, but like a man's body, a man's body, and which is more and more of my thing every day. Yeah, And so here you google image. I found it here. I'm actually here. Why don't I yeah, no, no, no, no, no no no, I found it too. I found it too. It was that That was the moment for me. Yeah, and I would suck John travel To still. Maybe that would save him if you sucked him, because that's what I'm signing up to do now. One breaks later. I'm

ready to save through your sexual power. But do you guys remember when he did that. There was like a movie he did with Jamie Lee Curtis where there's like an aerobics perfect Yeah. Yeah, it's called perfect Yeah. And you know what I'm saying, Like when he's thrusting the air when sweating, it's so great. I love all the looks in that movie. I think it's such a great movie and it's such a perfect time catsle of like aerobics core, you know that kind of look and feeling

so perfect. It's googling the words John Travelta Perfect like a third girl. This does confirm for me, at least personally, how religion kills any attraction, any zell at the person, whether it's trim like Tom Cruise, like even fucking like let's just say like Chris Pratt, like it just kills it for me. I'm like, I cannot get hard for you if you like love your church this much. It's weird.

It's super weird. This is not like, oh, like religion is bad, but it's just like there is an element, there's a degree and magnitude to it that like really rubs me the wrong way sexual totally. I have such a disgust for like the Hillsong bro. You know, like anybody who's like has a lot of a lot of bracelets and beads and like a beanie and like a lovy shirt. Still it makes me so you know, like how that look is so awful, so weird and it's so meticulously put together too that it's like so much

bad taste colliding. It's like remember like the hills years ago, justin Bobby, It's like that like old reality star. It's like it was like tacky then, and yet it's still the thing that people are like not only into but gathering to be around. But I think that Hillsong guys like done right or is that more of an aesthetic? It's just the aesthetic, but that guy's done. It's the aesthetic of like a mega mega church aesthetic. It makes me so disgusted, you know, like a mega church where

there's a Starbucks in the church, so disgusting. Like anything like that is so horrible. I mean, it's not about the belief to me, it's about the aesthetic. It's awful, totally, totally. There's a there's a Starbucks. That's a culture. There's a Starbucks in the church. It's it's awful, you know, it's all that's real culture in number seventy eight. If there's a Starbucks in disgusting. Okay, this is gonna sound broad. Margaret, you are my favorite person to say words. It's just

the way that you his words as weapons. To quote

Ava Max. That's I think what I loved so much about your stand up albums when I first found you, When I was like, I don't know, I've told you this in like little gay ways, but like I was like thirteen in my room and like I would listen to your stand up albums on Rhapsody, and like I would put my headphones in and like I felt like you were telling me what my sense of humor was from like even though I didn't know, but the way with words that you have like the way that you

can throw a word out there and it hits in the gut just never forget, like of course indelibly and all of your stand up. But we were we were shooting Fire Island and when we've started this on the pod, but what I had just done that line about like does anyone want to trade a Crest white strip for

a prep pill? And it started a conversation about prep and I had mentioned like at one point like, oh yeah, sometimes I skipped a day, and Bone was like, oh yeah, you can skip days, like if we were talking about it, and then Margaret just goes, I don't really don't, it's not worth it. You're right, you're right, Margaret, We're sorry. Don't play Russian Roulette with that. No, no, it is all about Margaret with you. And I'm sure other people

have pointed this out. Is like timing obviously, but spacing, like the particularly the spacing of the words, it is like fuck me in the ass, bar and grill like it's it's like the pause. And then the way even bar and grill is like kind of hits the ear. It really is just like a big part of your art.

And then Matt and at one point when we were first becoming friends, we were watching some Gray's Anatomy scene and like quoting it back and just like having like a ball, just like saying the words at the exact right times and sinking with it. And then Matt turns to me and goes, this is why you and I

are friends. It's because we like appreciate the hate it and like the register and like all of that stuff where you know, I'm getting a little annoying here, but like that is the thing that people can like build

a sensibility around. Well, I actually pitched a show with you guys because I was doing this thing called this History of the Game Show, and I was like, you know, you need to actually talk to Bowen and Matt and do let's do history of VH one reality shows that became game shows, like I Love New York and everything after that, like Charm School, Rock of Love, like everything after like yeah, I Love Money, um, the Flavor of Love mostly uh and mostly focusing on Tiffany Pollard and

have them just do full on recreation and I'm like, you know, they know all of the monologues of Tiffany Pollard from like two thou and eight and twelve, so you really need to just do like a recreate Asian show or like have them just talk, because we it was a history of game shows from like the fifties, but I was trying to steer them specifically from just this period and only yes, yes, and it would be

all of them. I remember what it was. It was like I think we were really obsessed, particularly obsessed at that time with Monique saying from trying to school like see, when you do clownery, the clown comes back to bite. Yes, yes, and that's my production company's name is Clownery. We you know, we bonded on that. But then it was like breaking down that statement, like that's not that's not an old English adage, Like that's not from like the Farmer's Almanic.

The way that she says it, it's like something like this is a lesson that's been handed down when when you do clownery. But she has such avity when she speaks, yeah the delivery and there oscar winner for somebody of her caliber to do a show like Charm School, which also is incredible. I'm not trying to minimize Charm School. And how many things we the prequels to charms how how how far we had to go to get to charm School and all those contests. It was so hard

to get there through all the other shows. But really like the gravity that money brings to and this, she says, when you do clownary, it sounds it sounds biblical for me. The image of a clown returning teeth first teeth forward to by you is the thing that kills me. Maybe anywise,

that's something to start with at the outset. So we're dealing with the fact that you see when you do clownery, which could mean anything, the clown comes back to bite, which is like when so so basically what we're saying is when you engage in a suspicious activity or a shady activity, said she said, other participants in shady activity will come back to attack you. It's it's an insane way to say. Karma is a bit, but so many other nouns are thrown into the sentence. It's like locational

it is it is really a rot. But the cloud never beat the first when it returned to bite, and they don't bit. She's specifically like kind of referencing, I guess pennywise, she's implying that when you do clown y, you like release a clown. See, when you do clownery, the clown gets out, and you better believe the clown will return when you least expect it to bite you with its teeth. Yes, when you guys know, we've talked about this before. The reason those shows ended on VH

one like there was truly this like beautiful era. The reason the show ended, Matt, do you know, do you remember? Okay, maybe it's different, but isolated. I think that someone took their own life right afterwards. It was that someone a finalist on Megan Wants a Millionaire. Megan was sort of like the spinoff Bachelorrette from Rock of Love. She was sort of like the star from Rock of Love. She um she had her own show. And then on Megan Wants a Millionaire, one of the final suitors was charged

for murder. Charged for murder, Yes, so he murdered someone and so then, like they had, immediately canceled the show. No more shows from those producers ever again on v H one, Well, they clearly didn't vet the contestants. No, totally totally, Why would they? Why would they? Exactly? That was part of what made it so great totally. I mean that was part of the charm. I guess, you know, people weren't thinking about the mental wellness of anybody. It

was just kind of this thing. But also we had less of bullying culture of social media than we do now, so it made it some somewhat a little bit more possible to do stuff like that. I think. I'm not sure, but I do miss that air of television, yeah, where it felt like if they were getting picked on, it probably was happening on a few message boards or maybe like in their own lives, like by people in there,

but who also watched the show. Now, it's like in a culture of social media that I would imagine that

those people would go even more nuts. Because even even on like the really like quote unquote regulated reality shows of now, you know, like on even on like Real Housewives of Beverly Hills, you still have like Lisa Arena taking to Instagram and acting so crazy, and you can tell it's just because the social media aspect is there as another arena to act crazy in, and it's hurting reality shows, I think because so much of the stuff that ends up happening between these people on reality shows

is happening online. So that the Flickton drama is not happening on the shows, which I think has made all of it worse. Yeah, it's it's like a social media becomes another character that's playing sort of a silent partner of all of it, but that's very vocal as well. So yeah, but I just remember my way into this whole universe was going to so. I mean, I did not grow up with cable, so go it was me

going into school. There was just a day when everyone decided to tell me who New York was, where everyone was like, you need to watch this show Flavor Love. This girl from season one came back at season two. Now this girl from season one came back and she is terrorizing these poor girls. I was like, her name is New York. What is wait, what do you mean? They're like, oh, Flavor, Flavor gives these girls nicknames. Hers is New York, and she, you know, tries to beat

up this girl who spits in her face. Like all of this. I'm like, oh my god, and I was hooked. I went on business trips to Gillette, Wyoming with my dad's just so I could stay in the hotel while he was at work, so that I could watch marathons on VH one and I didn't have because because people at home. I fell hard for this. It's amazing. I mean I think that I had similar experiences with like early Jersey Shore, like when they took Angelina's sanitary napkin

that was used and put it in the corner. Do you remember that? Like it was just like weird stuff. But all those people just like nailing you every day. And then I think she's still on the show, like whatever iteration Jersey Shore is in now, like I think she's still on it. It's so funny. I don't know those ones that the in particular with Tiffany Pollard really stand out to me is something like we've seen so

much from her. I love it. Would we agree that probably the biggest reality stars of that time, I guess like from that sect was like Tiffany Pollard and then from the mainstream sect was Amorosa. Yeah. Probably. I like Tunisia, Tanisha Tunisia from Bad Girls Club. She does a meme whether she's got the pots and pants and like banging them.

Tenisha is pretty good. You know who was crazy on her show and no one really talks about it, but was fully a chaos monster on Love and Hip Hop was Cardi B. Cardi B was tossing hands, like charging people, really getting into it on Love and Hip Hop. And then now she's like, you know, obviously one of the world's biggest stars. She's coming out and like muglaire left

and right. But this is someone who was throwing her body with no concern for the safety of herself or others around a sound stage to get her point across that like she was to be reckoned with. And it was like really crazy. I don't know if either of you have like ever like watched the utube compilation of like Cardi brasiest moments. It's really not how you know how I spent my time her at the reunions and like what was the reason like that, what was that?

It's so great? I like Mariah Lynn hip hop that show create stars. That's for sure. Yeah, definitely you need to go on the second season of Traders. What you need to do that, Margret, You need to watch Traders on Peacock as soon as you can. You'll love it. You'll love it. It's basically like you know, Mafia meets the mall Um but it's all there's this like Scottish castle aesthetic to it. Alan is the host. He's amazing.

It's it's excellent. It's truly excellent. The way they did the first season was there was like ten like people that we knew in the culture, like Ryan Locktey was there, like Brandy Glanvill, like who Surrey Fields from Survivor, And then there was ten like regular people and they all like sitting on a large table and Alam coming taps three of them on the show older and they are the Traders And basically the whole thing is like the whole everyone in the house has to figure out who

the Traders are. And every night the traders decided to kill someone off, so like like until it whittles down to like, however many people are there, and either the traders win or the real people win. It's it's literally mafia, but it's like a literalized, like physicalized version of it. On Peacar it was really good. Yeah, that's all right. Are you going on tour the summer or before? Yeah,

I'm on tour. I'm starting actually in two weeks in Vancouver and then I'm just gonna go everywhere somewhere around perfect all over the place. How long is your tour this time. I think it'll go probably until at least November or something like that out there. Yeah, so but back and forth. I'm coming back and forth. But yeah, I'm thrilled, Like, you know, it's like finally able to

really do bigger shows. And you know, since the pandemic, it's a weird with comedy, but now it feels like we can to like go to shows and do shows. So this is gonna be good. Yeah. I was just out there all December and it was it felt normal again. Yeah, and that was December two, so like by the end of the month, like when I think a little bit more people were being a little bit more conservative about going out, Like as January approached, it was feeling like

it did. Yeah, it's good for the first time. Yeah. The fact that it took this long because for you, you were shooting the movie with us, like that first summer where things were slowly starting to open up again. Yeah, but you were working on the movie the whole time, and then I imagine you were like probably working on material for the show itself. Yeah, and then also just

like doing other things like in between. But I definitely had been touring a lot less over the certain because I didn't want book shows and have them canceled, kind of like with the with Overcron Remember we were like, I'm canceling again. So it's been hard, but now it seems like, Okay, it's great to finally be able to embrace it fully and go out there. Well, you'll see us there for sure. Yes, that you've got to come.

It's gonna be fun. Yeah. I love saying your billboard it was right across from Kylie Jenner's billboard on Santa Monica made it. It was so exciting, it was. It was exciting, it was, it was. It was great to have the show out and then to be able to

tour it like in real time. And one of my favorite moments was I think I was in Portland and they had my poster up next to your poster were up there it said Margaret Show, Matt Rodgers, and I was like, man like not to be like a put on a fat But if I could go back to myself at thirteen and be like that that was going to happen, I just would have I would have absolutely died. So that was so beautiful. Thank you, so cool. Well um, okay, so let's fussing, so it might be time for baby's baby.

She's been really good. She's been really good. She got a new bag, so she's been like fierce in her new bag, which is a little bit bigger and has rooms room like, rooms roomy, and first for her to put her leash inside and everything and say, she's really happy, and yeah, we're probably gonna go a walk later. How long We do two walks a day, probably about forty five minutes or to an hour each. It's also my workout.

It's my workout too, so we wouldn't walk fast. I let her lead because I do dog lead walks because it's not my walk, it's her walk. So I let her sniff around and so it can get slow. But she's a very good companion and do do that with Oh my god, she's the best. She really was like an energy boost. Remember when we were Remember we were in that hotel for the last two weeks and just sort of on the house. Yeah, the base camp you know at the trailer is just anyway, we all love her.

It's so cute. And then you guys were doing so many really good Nikki Minage recreations you know what I wanted to tell you when you went on Kelly Clarkson, and yes, that was a person named Matt Rodgers that existed that I did the movie with, and he's obsessed with you. I ended up going on her show on the show, so I did get to meet her. But I remember watching that. I didn't know that you had

said that, so I was watching it. I think on Instagram you literally just popped up and it was you saying it, and I literally was like, I can't believe this is happening. I'm so like, thank you for even saying because I was like, oh my god, it's one of Matt's heroes telling another one of Matt's heroes. I'm

so glad, and it was such She's so nice. She really is, like I mean, we I think we've all met her at this point, Like she really is like exactly as advertised, but curses like a fucking sailor behind the scenes. Did she did she give you a vinyl? Did she give you a record? Yes? Yes, and lots of potato chips? Do you remember what she gave you? She gave me um Whitney Houston. Oh that's good bodyguard. No, I think it was probably greatest Hits. Yeah, that's a

good choice. I got Joline Dolly Parton. Oh that's great. I got Bruce Springsteen Greatest Hits, which I don't think she like tailored to me necessarily. I love Bruce Springstein. No disrespect to the boss exactly. Okay, So we are at that point in the episode where it is I don't think so honey time, but I forgot what is I don't think so honey? I don't think so honey? Is a one minute segment in which we rail against something in the culture using the words I don't think

so honey. Does that drug your memory? Yeah? I know, I remember, and I actually remember that I have something for it. Okay, great, this is Matt Rodgers is I don't think so honey? And as time starts now, I

don't think so honey, say it with me. Robin Dixon, Yes, you have flopped yet again on the show The Real Housewives of Potomac by withholding the fact that you your marriage to Wan Dixon, which congrats to you, you finally got the ring on it, but you have kept from everyone watching the show that wand was in the d m s with some girl and then he got her hotel room when she came to Baltimore. Now, you can lie in your own face, but don't lie to our face.

This is insane. And the fact that you'd be on Wendy about her marriage, like participating in any way about Karen's marriage, and you're gonna withhold crucial information about your own marriage and then reveal it behind a paywall. Mama, Bravo pays your checks. If you're going to sign up there and be one of the real housees up the time, say your real life, and then you're demanding and getting on the rest of these women. What about you, Robin Dixon?

I don't think so, honey. Could you believe? I couldn't believe. Margaret this is one of the real houses of Potomac. She is we We have disliked her for a long time, and this is sort of karmically. The clown came back to bite. Let's just the clown came back to bite because she was doing clown rate. She was bringing rumors from off the show about other people's husbands, you know, kind of conspiring with another one, always sort of getting into it. Because a thing on this particular reality show

is they always attack each other's husbands and relationships. I'm not sure what that is, but that's their kind of method of madness. And then it comes out that her husband, who's cheated on her in the past, is now sort of in the d MS with someone else, and she

wasn't honest about it, and bravo. She was on Andy Cohen watched It Happens Live the other night and Andy Cohen was like, so, you're on a reality show about your life, and then behind a paywall on your podcast you reveal this part of it while also getting up and everyone else's business. Do you think there's a double standard? And they finally held their feet to the fire and it felt good to watch. So Margaret Matt has this great schema around the house is where every city, every

franchise is about a specific theme. So for New York it's alcoholism. For Beverly Hills, that's the cracks in the China, For Salta City, it's religion. And I think for Potomac it's husbands. It's like infidelity maybe, and for Miami it's are you ready for this? Mat? Divorce? It's about how

all these women deal with divorce. Because this whole lease of thing is like really crystallizing all the things about Alexei at like all these women have experience with divorce and they're coming into support her because they're like, we've been through this, which I think is what which is like heartwarming and touching, But I think ultimately the show is about divorce as a process as opposed to Potomac,

which is about infidelity or about husbands. You know. Yeah, it's like it's it's just a very I guess, insecure group. There's it's like this cast of women, half of them are very insecure about their romantic lives and the fact that like they can't seem to keep their ship together.

But the focus is always on the other happily groups husbands because you you kind of get the sense that it's just like it's this area of their life that they can't sit with, so they're constantly picking and spreading these like really like ridiculous, like baseless rumors about the happily married people. Meanwhile, it just comes out more and more like how conspiratorial and how how like, you know, duplicit this they are, and like what's going on in their own lives is like not as happy as what

what's going on on the other side. And I never thought i'd say this, but if Robin does get fired, I do want zeal to stick around for one more season, just so I can watch her squirm and be like without one huge I mean, I I don't think that Robin survives proof that she was not showing her life on the show, Like I just don't think, like that's what you signed up for, you know what I'm saying. Anyways, ripping stuff. I'm surprised you don't get into Housewives, Margaret.

I know it's one of those things where it's just somehow it's it just didn't open up to me, like for for whatever reason. And now I feel like it's so far gone that I can't catch up because there's so many different kind of universes of it. But I have to do the Brittany Frankel podcast and I have to go over an episode with her, so maybe that'll help me get more. Call Britney Frankly to her face, you should call Bethany Frankel, Brittany frank No, it's actually

very humblings. She Margaret, we're not even kidding. Only you're comfortable with that truly disarmed her by calling her Brittany Frankle Brittany, Brittany Brittney. She would erupt. I love, but yeah, Robin Dixon continues to, uh do clownery and the clowns come back to bite. So do you haven't. I don't think so, honey, I do. It's pretty specific. Yeah, okay, and we that specificity. Okay, and this is don't think, sonny as time starts now, I don't think so, honey.

Misusing Geneva conventions like throwing it into conversation like, oh, what that person did violated the Geneva Conventions because they didn't like tip their waiter or something. No, you don't. People misuse Geneva conventions either as like the thing that's being talked about, or they think, oh, the Geneva Convention,

which isn't really a thing. It's usually in reference to the agreement meeting after World War Two, but people misused Geneva conventions all the time in like casual, gossipy, bitchy ways. It's about war prisoners, it's about civilian rights during times of war. It is not about you, you know, being cut in line. It is not about like your friends being forty five minutes late to a thing. It is, Please stop misusing the Geneva conventions and casually using it

in conversations. And you have no clearly have no idea what it is and what it implies. Google's freight look it up. I don't know what it is. I just told you what it is. You did, but I know there's more to know, and so I know that. I'm

not yet saying you don't need to know everything. You just need to know the basics, and you will not make this mistake that I see people making all the time, like in like comedy and like it's like a reference that like gets the laugh, I guess, but I'm always like, but no, like these people are laughing not knowing what the Geneva conventions are. I think it's the word geneva. Can it be literally anything else? Can it be like it'd be like that violated by Miranda rights. No, it

did it. That violated New York magazine rules. That's good. That's something. It's closer to the idea that's being expressed anyway, by the way that rules of etiquette was wild. I don't know if you've jumped in there, but I have that the you like them, I like most of them there there are somewhere. I'm like, I don't know about that, but always wink, always win. That was just its cheeky thing to put it there, but I think it is. It is viable, Like you don't you can ghost after

first date. Trust me, I am all about a ghost after the first date, after a second date. I do think it's weird, Like we could literally go through them. But there were some of them that were like, if you are at dinner with a famous person, don't sit them on the end. I know who's writing this? Who who's writing this? Who do you think is reading this? And also like Amy Saidarris had a great block, but then there's some other person. I don't know who the

funk this person was. Hers were like I don't have your assistance send your birthday invites. I'm like, who are you taught talking to? Also the one that was like never asked about work home? Is it weird to be like, so, how's work? Is that weird? Like one of the things you talk about? But I think it's okay to ask about rent. I like that because I want to ask people about money all the time. Yeah, that's one thing I'm into burning down all right, this is Margaret shows.

I don't think so, honey, Margaret, Yeah, and her time starts now. I don't think so, honey. Stop commenting on Madonna's appearance. You know she looks great, and it doesn't matter what surgery she decided to get or not get. It is none of our business. You know, women are able to age in any way they want to. She has done so much for the planet and especially for the gay community. We would not have gay rights as we do without Madonna. Madonna has reared us, raised us

as a community. She has formed her art, music, fashion, everything. She has formed so much of our world, and we have to have respect for her as part of her art. Now is changing her appearance to please herself, that's her business. I think she looks great. I think she's always looked great, and I want and you don't don't talk about that it looks bad. I I love Madonna and I don't think so, honey. Yeah, that's one minute, agreed. I agree. Comments on her appearance are I get people's comments on

her behavior because sometimes it is odd. Yeah, I mean, and she literally she also like she's always wanted you to comment on her behavior. She she is provocative. That's part of her thing. It has crossed over now and I think maybe even a little bit by her design to be like another talking point is this, but it does get ugly because our society does not know, it's

not capable of talking about this with care. She The other thing about her is that she invented past tense and also it is currently inventing the way in which a female pop star exists in the world, how her career progresses, Like the stages of her career are like beat for beat being projected into like every other girl doing it now. I think it is fair to say that like Gaga like pulled a lot from Madonna, it is fair to say that every single pop girl is

like working from the blueprint that Donna has set. She's still drawing out the blueprint though. It like when these girls are in their sixties, like this is what they'll be doing. It will resemble something like this. And so it's fine that she like is looking the way she looks or is talking the way she talks for the most part, because it's like this has not been done before.

Is that there to say? Yeah? Yeah? And I love just that she's able to live her own sixty, Like this is like sixty for her, and that to me is really exciting. You know, we don't have to give up anything when we age. We can actually just enhance and explore and be a part of this wonderful Like she's a place in a place where she can spend money on these things that I think give her the appearance that she wants and I think she looks great.

Have you met her? I haven't, which is weird. Yeah, that is I've never had the honor, so yeah, for whatever reason, never worked out. She hasn't had the honor either. Well, she she do through a boom She she do through a boom boom room party. She does like a Pride party every year. So we just got to get those streams to cross. Yes, you should come to New York for Pride this year. I would love to. That would

be fun and then we can hang out. There was all those rumors about us getting a Pride float last year for Fire Island. There was maybe for the sequel. We should make a sequel though, I mean I really think that we're we need to write. We see your idea, what's your pitch? Do you have? What's cooking in your brain because we know these ideas are percolating, your pitching and meetings, us doing a reality show, game show like

what's going on? What's What's I know, the reality and also the yangover and Roger that in my podcast, my fake podcast network, the Fire Island Podcast Network. Um yeah, I think it's it's where Howie and Charlie getting married and we all go to the wedding, but it's in Provincetown. That seems like the right thing. Yeah, that's been what's percolating, I feel. And when you watched the movie back, what did you feel. We haven't seen you since I know,

what was it like watching it? It was so exciting. It was so exciting. It's beautiful. I mean, it's just beautif. I saw a few times and I showed it to friends and I just, um, I really, it's just such a beautiful film, Like it's shot in such a sweeping, beautiful camera. Everybody looks so great, you know. I just also remember all the moments in between the scenes as well, like from from off camera. But just watching it was another level of like excitement and fun and you know,

just appreciation for all of your work and Andrew's vision. Well, You're you're such a standout in it. I mean, you're scene with Joel All, I mean, all your scenes are excellent, fantastic, Margaret you Like we were watching it, We got to see it on the big screen a bunch because of the premiers you are doing. You always got such a huge response. And it's also like what you're saying is

also like a really special thing about it. Like I do remember, like you know that scene where you're telling us that you're going to lose the house, Like I just remember that day, like us going leaving the table and then resetting and then leaving and resetting and trying different things. And yeah, it's like there was such a special experience because there was also like bonding going on between us in this thing that ended up being really good that I think we all thought was really good.

And then to watch it, it's like, yeah, your shoulders drop a little bit and you breathe easier because you're like, Okay, this thing we thought was special actually really ended up in special. Yeah. Uh, well, we absolutely adore this individual. I love you honestly, like we love you so much. And so the tour starts when in Vancouver. It starts at February eighteenth in Vancouver and goes all over for

the next year and check us on sale. Yes, Margaret Show dot com and Everywhere Show dot com and everywhere else. Oh my god. The touring girls this summer are Taylor Swift, Madonna, Beyonce, Margaret Show, Catch the Four Horse, Horrors of the Apocalypse, oh Man, and Lucia. It was great to have you. It's so good to see Lucia. We had every episode of the Song with a song, But what's the song

I got? Jeez, it's allegrifying. Remember I did a dance routine to that one time and my parents and their friends all looked at me after because we were they were the judges, and they said it was a lot. Okay, it was well, lave it at that. Bye.