"Great White Voice" (w/ Bonnie Milligan)

into it. They tweeted, why you guys, fifty people watched

the first episode. I think it was twenty body knows, Oh my god, it was twenty and so they tweeted this, and then there was another people where they were like, we know we're not as fun as drag Race, but stick around after it's like it was, it was we know you're not as excited as we are, which I think is an interesting way to respond to the quote unquote backlash, because it's honestly like, I don't know if responding to negativity with negativity is necessarily a winning strategy,

if we're to look to time, I don't know that that's ever resulted in something. Uh, sorry to say, but hashtag better if you know you know today. But I will say that, um, I was not one of the fifty people, not because I didn't want to as whatever it is, whatever many thousands of people or however a few thousands people it was, I was not one, just because I was at the Sundance Film Festival this weekend and so there was no time to stop for the real friends of who I was with, the real filmmakers

of Park City. Oh my god, you want to share about Sundays before we get into it with our guests. While I was there on a branded partnership, thank you very much, and I did not get to see any movies, but I did have boots on the ground on ears to the ground about what was well received. We want to say a huge congrats two friends of the Pod then Platt, Molly Gordy and Patty Harrison and Noah Galvin has not been on the Pod yet but will be one day soon. And they have theater Camp, which was

rapturously well received and produced by our producer Will Ferrell. Okay, so that was received very well. I also heard that Anne Hathaway is quite the lesbian in the film Eileen and Anne Hathaway sort of had the what they say is kids gagging on the carpet up at Sundance because she was wearing a big puffy coat. She was bearing her legs and then boots, and she was giving how you do Sundance red carpets? And I heard she plays quite a lesbian in this movie, Eileen, quite a lesbian.

That was really what was relevant to my interests on the ground in Sundance. A gorgeous tiny city that pretends it's quaint, but it's extremely corporate and we gotta figure it out. You wait in more lines at Sundance than you do at walt Is New World in Orlando, Florida. But that being said, it is where I was the week prior, so I went from Orlando to Park City, and uh, that was the one to punch of maximalism. The climate whip lash and my neck is definitely hurting.

But bone you had quite the weekend. I was fighting a nasty cold, did you guys? I could feel my voice slipping through my fingers on Friday, and I was like, I need to have this voice, mamma, something to your fingers. I was doing shots of olive oil I've never that is it? Because Bonnie's making a face we did not have access to, like a demon Haler. I was like, I don't know what I'm supposed to do. I think maybe it's not shots of olive oil. But we're gonna

ask our guests in a little bit. Yeah, and we have what I'm sure is a vocal health expert here, and so we're all going to need to consult the professionals here. We have one with us today. Listen. I just want to say another thing, which was bo That episode with alre Plaza was fucking good. The Megan two point shout out to Jimmy Fawley, that was Sullivan, Chloe Fineman cancer Bla Allison Gates of a lovely piece, and your George Santouse we're going to call it George Santos.

Runner was absolutely fab I think it's a flash in the pan. I think I would, I would. We hope, I hope we don't see him for much longer. That it's a quick burnout with that one, because I'm already exhausted. Were exhausted, we really are. And so this voice that resonantly sort of has been in the background but can't help us sort of. Spring Forth is one of one of the most talented people on what they call about

in the Great White Way. Now that's actually a rule culture about Broadway is they call it the Great White Way. And which rule culture is that sixty five? It's ruler culture number sixty five Broadway. They call it the Great Way, and there is a great White voice on it right now and title of Great White Great it's true, the Great White Voices. That's a culture that's number sixty six. And this is no different because Kimberly a Kimbo Bo, you're fresh from the fight. I'm fresh from the fight.

I loved this show so so much. I just it's fab fab and I just shot u out of my seat at the end, I was like, God, it's so refreshing, Like it's been so long since I've seen like a lean cast like this all doing such incredible work. I mean, every person so wonderfully occupying this stage together. And I mean our guest is such a highlight of the show. And we're gonna get to this later. But like the speaking voice itself on its own, just you could really

take a bath in it. Just gorgeous and smooth and as people make up that Barbara says this like butter, like butter, and it also not for nothing but real comedy, real jokes. I mean, I don't think I've been to like a Broadway performance that I was like really blown away by how real and current and hard the humor felt like I can't say enough. It also features a lead performance from Victoria Clark, who is the legend who is certainly giving one of the best performances on Broadway

right now. Just like our guests, who you also know from Head over Heels. If you came to our last Culture Racist Cultural Awards, you were lucky enough to see our guests and friend of the Pod, the Icon Natalie Walker sing Record of the Year nominee. All I Want for Christmas is you live and seeing the notes for Best Note ever. So yes, that was quite the sequence in the show. You know were from Search Party. Listen if I have anything to say about it, Tony front runner,

this year's front runner, this year. We're saying it now, right, Okay, okay, so everyone, please welcome into your ears body. I can't believe I had a vocalist on the show and my voice cracked while I shouted her name in the introod. Shots of olive oil good or bad? What's your recommendation. I feel like when you're losing your voice, first of all, vocal rest it's going to be your best. Yeah, of course, some steam up your immune system. I'm a big fan

of vitamins of wellness formula from Whole Foods. I don't know, it might be a placebo effect, but I feel stronger. Yeah, okay, take anything when I'm not in a show, and then when I manage show, I'm like, okay, I gotta take this. Reginal oil is a big one and like breaks up mucus and stuff. Yeah. Yeah, I mean it's rough. After you put that on your tongue, it feels like you're swallowing a slice of pizza without the good pizza part of it. That's your breath for a while. That's rough. Um.

Some tea a tea I recommend called throat Coatney. If you don't have any tea around, you just have hot water, put like four one of those original rocolas that are made with honey in there and stirred around and like that is a Victoria Clark and really Victoria Clark herself from Vicky Clark herself after I saw you. I got to meet Victoria Clark and that was a moment in time. And she's cool as you would have two bow and she was so excited also her husband and she like

Yang was here. I was like, I know, I invited him. I'm so sorry. I got I was with Josh Sharp and we got up in because my phone was too Oh my god. Bonnie got to meet the House. Bonnie met Patrick Rodgers. Bonnie met Patrick Rogers. I mean, this is a phenomenal show. Everyone goes see it. The hashtag better reference earlier is a reference to I saw on the Bonnie Things streaming now on Spotify, streaming now on Spotify. It's so good, Janina. Sorry, David Lindsay Abart, their genius

sor the versatility. Yeah, I mean, look at all of her scurse. She goes from thoroughly modern Millie to Violet to fun Home to Mama sh Shrek, Mama Carolina Change, Carolina Change. Come on, that's all her. That's Crezzy and David Lindsay Abart and her wrote Trek together, so that team wrote Shrek and then wrote Kimbaly giving range. Do you think she thinks of Shrek? That's her greatest work. I think absolutely. I never got to see it neither. I never saw that's a sudden performance that like I've

missed out for the longest time. The pro shot was on Netflix. I don't know if it's still out there, really look into it. I remember this. I am a huge fan of Approach Shot. I love Approach Shot. I love Approach Shot. There was a time where, um, you could go to God, what is it. I guess it's like, yes, Lincoln Center, and you could see like every pro shot of any show ever. You had to give like a weird reason, like, oh, I'm researching for a paper. Are

you know hand over anything goes hand it over. No, I'm not writing a paper about not tapping but were belting. I'm not writing on paper. Is that trauma that Patty Litte didn't tap because she was belting so much? As I say, why would she let me say? I think it's so funny, like she comes down, She's like, I think she did tap a little. But it just makes me laugh that they would like pretend to make that happen. I'm like, just let the woman stand in bark. One's

gonna be mad. No one's mad. I want to hear it. But speaking of Sutton, then you have Sutton who does tap the whole fucking thing and it's godly, it's a it's a spiritual experience. Fact. Fact. Wait, why do you say, like there used to be a time that you can go to? Like, can you don't do that anymore? I haven't tried it. I mean, I'm sure you can. Okay. I think I said used to be a time because

we were in college when that was a thing. I associate it with being something in the past, you know what I mean, Like I associated with a different time in New York? How's New York changed the topic of discussion? How's the New York change? There used to be more about pianos? So, yes, it has it? Has it has changed? It has it has got for the better? Hashtag better that number is so big and great and amazing. But we were talking about, like, so the vocal quality the

entire time. Obviously that sung comes and it is just an absolute barn burner and you tear the whole house down. But what I love about your performance so much as you play like the ant in the show and she comes in and she's like already like her presence precedes her in this way where it's just like, Oh, this is gonna be a character that's going to knock down the house, like you know what I mean, Like this

is going to be like a rambunctious moment. And then you come in and the vocal choice is so soft the whole time, and it really is just how you speak now, And I would imagine that on the page they're sort of insinuating that this is going to be like a larger than life character, especially because you know it's written in the way that it is and the big numbers that you get, like I wonder about the choice to play this the way that you did well

for me. It is funny because you know it was a play first, and so when David lindsay A Beart was talking about how it was always played in the play version was like a steamroller, you know, a big bull takes over everything, and they're like, what you brought into it was a pickpocket and but I don't notice my wallet's gone till I'm on the train. And then story was like, but you left like a rap candy, and I was like, exactly, you're welcome. So I look at it as like I'm giving you a Harold Hill

and Kimberly woman. I am like pipe piper with the kids. The best part about Better is when the show a choir is like that looks fun. Let me start singing, and I'm like, okay, I can use this all right, Yes, dance live okay. Um that she's going to read people and see what they need. Wait for the people that don't know the show that can you elevate her picture because I'm realizing they may not understand? Yeah, for sure.

So Victoria Clark plays a teenage girl who has a fictional aging disease that ages her like four and a half times faster than normal. So she is turning sixteen, but she's in the body of like somebody who looks like she's in her sixties. And the average life expectancy of this disease is sixteen, so she's nearing her birthday. Her family's a mess. Her dad's an alcoholic, her mom's a narcissist with two casts because she got double corporate

tunnel of surgery. But like, does she still need the cast? We don't know. You know, she's kind of like she's so obsessed with herself that she's kind of the adult in the home. I play her mom's sister, who is a fun loving con artist who comes into town about twenty five minutes into the show. And I have a big scam that I want to recruit Kimberly for in doing that my first big number. I'm like, I don't want to wait, like to make money to get a ticket.

And you shouldn't wait either, you know, wink wink, baby, You and got a lot of time. Um, And if you want, what I love about her is she just makes stuff happen. She's you know, she's surviving. So I gotta do something. Well, I'm not educated. I've clearly been in Bridson a few times. Um, you make it happen for yourself. Nobody else is going to help you. Is like the lesson I tried to teacher, Like, your mom's are gonna take you to Disneyland? Baby, you gotta take

yourself and how you're going to do that. You gotta do this a legal scheme with me, and you gotta do a quick mail checkwashing scheme with it. It's casual, it's gonna be fun. And so I think the one real person she cares about is Kimberly and uh, and I come back into her life to get her to do this, and then all of a sudden, she's like a teenage girl who I don't know about you too.

I have like a niece I remember who like worshiped me and then became an age where it was like not so cool, and I think Kimmy's in that place, so DeBras in this weird flux of what do I do, Like, Oh God, I gotta give her this pitch, you know, And that's a song that we keep talking about, is the pitch to have her join my scam. I mean, the show really obviously activates in terms of like they're

being this break into action when shows up. But God, like you really do like carry the comedy so well as soon as you walk on stage, like Josh and I are just like okay, like we're off to the races, Like Bonnie's coming with like these like micro expressions, and

like God, it's just so effortless coming from you. And you really are one of those performers who like can just spin the comedy plate just as well as like the belting plate, Like you have this incredible voice on top of like knowing how to deliver so many fun moments. It's a very confident thing to be quiet in the comedy, especially on Broadway. But that's what's fun. I remember we're in rehearsal and Janine t Sory was like, I just love that you undercut when I don't expect it and

you can figure. And she's like, your comedy is unexpected and it's just it's really fun. She wrote, Um, the top of Act two is me teaching the kids how to wash checks. It's called how to wash check. She

wrote it for me. She's like, because you brought this like sensuality in this like like this pulled back like and I was like, I gotta be cool, you know, like I gotta be this energy that the kids want to start singing with me Timmy who doesn't have friends, like they want to be her friends with her because like that woman is crazy, but she's also kind of fun to be around, you know what I mean. Like I horrify them in one moment, and then they want to be around me in the next. It's like, what

is that? So I don't think that's loud loud, loud, big, big big. I don't be around that, but I want to be around somebody that's exciting and like unexpected, and so I think that's where that sort of came from. I'm like an actor first, so everything just comes from that place, like, well, what is the moment? Like what am I doing? So I'm not gonna be big all the time. I'm gonna do this and it's it is really fun to play and to play what the audience is giving me, Like you know, some nights are like

a rowdy and it's really fun. I'm like, okay, they want me to be a little extra naughty, like this is fun um and some of that are like, oh god, that's a mad night, you know, like I'm still gonna mess with you, but in a little different way now, like it's it's it like keeps it fresh? Okay, wait can I ask a question? And then this is maybe wrong, but I find that I try to avoid matinee's because I feel like, inherently in a matinee there's going to

be a more relaxed matinee ish let's say energy. But is that true as someone who's performing matinee's all the time as well as night shows, Like is there a difference between a matinee and the evening performance? I can't say, like for a hundred percent, but I do think in general a lot of less so on Sundays because it's like, you know, the last show the way like it's a three o'clock as opposed to like a Wednesday Mattinee is typically quieter, but sometimes we'll have a rowdy one because

a lot of shows don't do Wednesday matts. They made do like a Sunday double show instead, so we have like other actors present, you know, and then they can liven up a crowd. Also, our show, while incredibly funny, is also really deep. It's like life, right, So some audiences are just really listening and so you're like, oh my god, it's comedy, please laugh. And then I know

there's tears too, but come on and I'll leave. I'll be like, well that audience hated us, and I come out and it's like cheers and insanity, like like they loved it. They were just really leaning in. And I remember one time I was, you know, very close to the front of the stage is when I give Kim Kimmy her birthday gift, and I'm you know, like sometimes it's big laugh sincetimes, it's not you're just oh, I love this moment. Yeah, and just playing on it. The

pine cone. So you know, I've been in the woods and I don't have a job, so what I've been toting around a giant pine cone. I saw that. I was like, she would love this, and I'm really proud of it. And it's like and so I wrap it in toilet paper. I don't have wrapping paper, and so you know, I handreed this thing really proud and everybody's like, what is a pine coat? Like, it's giant, It's a giant.

I think it's such a great comedy because you you play that down to you You're like, it's a plank coat. And I'm like, Josh and I were laughing. Yeah. But one matinee of this guy I could hear he was, you know, I'm so close to the front row and I just out of my periphery because I don't really like to look into the audience during the show. I saw him like holding himself. I mean like and I was like, let it out, it's okay. You know, like

in general sometimes the matinees are quieter, but it's not. Yeah, it's actually what's really indicative of that was we were there Patrick and I were there and we have loud laughs, and we were watching it like a comedy show. I know,

the fire alarm is going off in the background. I just got an email that it's going to be like this all day unfortunately, and so I'm in the mute myself when I speak, but this is and leave this in for the readers because this is real life and myself, I don't speak, but let me just say in terms of noe made, in terms of noises being made, um, me and my friend Patrick were laughing very loud, and a much older woman turned to us and scolded us,

and you need to stop. And I said no, and I said, I said in a convoye, no, you need to stop. And she turned back around and she stopped, and she did not get back in my face, but I did say kindly. I was like, no, it's a show. I'm sure you were. I was laughing at the jokes, so I have the loudest laugh. So when I shows like, I know, like that's what we want to hear. Like, if it's written to be funny, friends, you're supposed to laugh, and you're going to get a better show from the

actors on stage. The more attentive you are, because like we're always giving, because you know, we're professionals. But it's a little more fun when the audience is raucous and you're like, okay, you know, like it brings something else out of me. They're a part of the show there,

You're part of the experience. And so I will laugh so loud, and I often get scolded, and I'm like, and I will look at people and I go, it's funny period, and I are loud laughers, but one you can hear from a mile away left and it's one of my favorite things to caustic laugh. I did hear you a few times yesterday and my heart because it was good and funny. Come on, what do you do? What do you want from us? At the end, I was really sobbing. I mean I can't even say enough

to everyone. We enjoyed this so much. You will laugh, you will cry, you will scream, you will gasp. Yeah, it's one of those why it's so good, I think, why it's resonated with so many people like It came out off Broadway at the Atlantic Theater last year for a couple of months, and it was one of the first shows post pandemic, and it's this message in the show that like nobody gets a second time around, so like what are you gonna do with the life that

you have? It was so resonated with everybody because it's like, wow, yeah, and we all everybody lost something, whether it was an actual person, a job, or livelihood just regular life. Um. I mean probably the super rich who have like mansions and tennis courts and pools were fine, but guess but like the rest of us, we all, you know, lost

something and it was really scary. And so to go into the show that it's like and what Vicky does is just so magical, like you to really like see her as a teenager like beautiful soul, like you root for her. Um that you laugh a lot, yeah, you cry because you get connected. And what I love about it that's David Lindsay Beart. I mean, I guess he's gotta pulled her for a reason that like that's life. It's not just one thing caught the range on him.

Like to like to go from like rabbit hole rabbit hole. Yeah, this I mean like also about like loss or grief or something mortality, but like to write a role that like Victoria was able to sew beautifully render like she never characterizes like the youth. She never like makes being a teenager seem like Colin or you know at all. Just like not to describe a Broadway show in this way because it feels so minimizing. But it's like it

is like a vibe. It is like, Wow, there's something so tender about this in every aspect that I thought was really really lovely. I could see it as a film. I mean when I was watching and I was like, I can adapted for the screen. Yeah, is it is? It really goes? Sorry, man, is it really going on the entire time? I haven't been home, So I just got an email that was like, it will be till four pm throughout the day and the power will also

be off during this time. So that's just kind of like what what I'm experiencing right now when I'm sort of living right now. Can we make an announcement? I think I think Matt is on his last dregs with l A. I'm out of here. I think he's I think he's out of there. I'm kind of out of here because I have a new boy and Lenny. He lives in New York. I miss all my friends in

New York. And I don't think I'll have an apartment in New York that sort of does this, So you might you might, you know, I mean like Bowen doesn't live in the dream Escape either, I don't. I don't. Are you even thinking by coastal? Are you thinking I'm

thinking by coastal? But and also I'll say this, like I love seeing shows, I like going to things like in New York you do that, Like that's one of the things I've really loved about going to New York is like being able to see everything incredible that's happening there. The culture, if you will. The culture exists in New York and it does not exist in l A. And

I'm not knocking it. I'm just sitting here sort of all the fire alarm blares in the background, thinking about how you know, um oh, and it left, okay, so that's gonna happen, and like, so let me jump in now just to say it's gone, and uh, we're feeling good. Have you been How long have you been in New York, Bunny? You must have been pumping the streets many years? Oh god, um, I have been here fourteen Okay, that's more than ten, which makes you an official New Yorker. Congrats think you

with fifteen? God has been fifteen? Yeah, fifteen. Were on similar timelines. I think we Matt and I moved here, which is right around the time that you sort of have realized what the culture is that made you say culture was for you? Wouldn't you say about I would say this, I would say so yes. So I guess this is time for us to ask Bonnie the question we ask all of our guests, which is Bonnie Milligan, what is the culture that made you say culture is for me? So I have like a split answer on this.

I think in general what I realized I love you split, right, we love a split. I grow up, you know, as like a kid of the nineties and something that like immediately it was like this is for me. Where the divas of the nineties like yes, Mariah Whitney, Selene Reba. Why did I know every word to fancy when I was like eight years old because it's called taste, thank you? And you had one France Fancy. You don't don't let her down, don't. I would love I have and I

will right now. No, but I can I love, Love, Love Selene. I loved your your rant about her not being on Rolling Stone, because truly, as a singer, was that not the most insane thing you've ever heard? I actually I can't because I'll get upset. So that was absolutely something. I was like that culture is for me, diva dum, big voices and like living your life. And I was so little, and I was like, got it

kind of connected to that? So I grew up in a double way trailer in the Midwest, daughter of a preacher, poor, etcetera. And it's not like it wasn't like I forget which one is secular and non secular. I don't remember which one means, what secular means, non religious, religious. I wasn't like not restricted, clearly. I just named all those diva's um, but you weren't like watching racy things anyway. My best round in fourth grade, fourth grade, her favorite movie was

Rocky Horror. When I went off at your house, her mom had like an album of like an actual record. UM, we would listen to it. We would watch the movie and on my mind was like whoa. So that was like, this is also for me. It's like a giant, like, oh my god, we played it on the playground where like, let's play Rocky Horror. Like I knew every word. I lived my life. Um, that's so weird and it's amazing. And I always wanted to be Magenta because seems seemed

the most fun. And I would usually get stuck playing like the Janet. I'd be like, I don't want Oh my god, that's a character actress's heart. Okay. And so I remember I was sitting at home, it was like some Saturday, and I had the remote. I was slipping through my dad the Preacher, you know, sitting behind me, and it was like on VH one, and so I like paused because it was like, oh my god, my favorite movie, the thing I played every day. My dad's like no, no, no, keep going. You're not allowed to

watch that. It was like absolutely, yes, okay, that looks crazy. Did he understand what Rocky Horror was? Yes, he's seen it, and he was like no, like there's a person to touch me. I want to be dirty, definitely saying that on the playground. What but like we didn't know, but you know what I mean, Like I was like, no, we're not watching that. I was like okay, wow, but see like, what harm is it really doing if we as children don't know what it means? Like, that's my

there's no harm exactly, I mean no harm. There's a fine line. I bet, like we shouldn't be like you don't want to hear a kid singing about like something to elicit, but then you're like, I didn't get it. I want to hear a kid singing things, sing about something elsten I want to I wanted I want to see little Bonnie touched me, and I want to go over to the chaperone, the reso chaperone, and be like, you're not doing your job. Okay, those girls over there.

You see that little group of girls and then saying touch touched me, you're saying a break. They you to time out. You're fired out, Recess chaperone. Remember those icons, Recess Chaperon's lunch monitors, the unch culture. They were the dreamers of dreams. They were the ones leading the culture. Yeah, and they were like volunteers from the community. You know, they weren't paid. Well, we're just like nice older ladies. Yeah, my god, I bet we would be great, the three

of us. I think so. In the performance at Recess. Yeah, oh god, yeah, I would be. We would be like choreographing and giving scripts to children. Yes, this is let us do. That is not fun. I have an idea. What are you let me give you culture because you don't have any. I'm six, grow up, grow up? I love it. Did you feel like the diva's inspired you? This sounds like such a stupid Chilow question, but let

me know if this makes sounds. Did you feel like I'm gonna belt because the divas are belting, and therefore I will start my own belting journey as a bell dress? So okay. What's interesting is I'm not really like a trained singer like I always sang. I'm like an instinctual singer. So I sang my whole life. My family was musical. I was always singing in church into like school choirs and stuff, so, you know, like our choir teacher would give us kind of like voice lessons to talk about

certain things. Um, and then I took like a voice lesson one semester in college from like a t A. You know, I did that too, and I loved it. But I went to school for acting. I didn't go to school for musical theater. So I was like Okay, I did that, but I had the most funding gospel choir at college, and he did it like traditionally are leader. Like he would sing you got just a sheet of words, and he sang everybody's part and it's just like trains your ears so well. So he would sing the soprano

line down to the baseline. He was incredible. Wow. And so that was sort of like my music education in so many ways. When I sang along to my faves everyone, I just listed Mariah, Selene Whitney, the girls. Yeah, the girls. I would mimic them. So I would like use my book. I remember my older husband like she sings just like Selene, come on, sing a song, and I've like I was obsessed.

So I would sing all those songs like that. But if you gave me a sheet of music, I was like MIXI pretty place because I was like, oh, that's how you're supposed to sing other So like the pop songs, I would sing like that, but like if you gave me anything else, I wasn't like out there belting until I got to like college, and I love musical theater, and I'm like, I feel like I could belt to Like I love musical theater so much, and I feel like I wrote one point, I was like, I don't

know if I have a voice for musical theater because I would sing the other way. And so during college I was taking a Christian link later speaking voice class and learning about my resonators. Hold on that sounds like singing, like just like the warm up of like hey hey. I was like, wait a minute, I can keep going higher and not singing, and that is not something everyone can do. And then all of a sudden, I became

like the bell dress. But that's also why, like as you both heard in the show, like I don't just belt everything just like the comedy like you. I like to use all parts of my voice. I just started doing a lot of concerts in two thousand fourteen and somebody like branded me belting Body, and I was like, okay, great, what'll gobout that? It is pretty indelible. And then like I see belting bonds on social media and I'm like, it's body, you know. Yeah, I annoyted that was your

journey with the vocal. Yeah, yeah, that was the journey of the vocals. And correct me if I'm wrong. This is you currently possessed the highest belted note on Broadway. I have been told that. I haven't told that Janina story told that to our COVID guy, who was like gagging for it, and he was like, what is that likes right? She said, yes, right, because I love a gay COVID guy. That's like, I'm gagging. You know what, Let's shout out to Nolan. He's also a huge fan

of Less culture. What he was for Row at the Cultural awards him Yes, I don't know. I mean I didn't came to meet you after because he was like, I love them so much. Um. And also he was like, if Bowen stays, because I was like, I don't know. You know, I was texting everybody because everybody's very excited you were there, and I was like, friends, I said, guys, I don't know. So Nolan was on the thread and he was like, if Bowen does stay, text me, I'm

running over. I mean, I will send a beautiful care package to everybody. I I just I truly felt so bad. I was, oh my wait. Not that I like to share like these kinds of stories, but I did have a very bizarre interaction yesterday. I was buying a drink in the lobby and then a woman comes up to me and goes, just just like, I'm at the bar and a woman comes up to me and puts her arm around me and then starts to like pat me on the back and she goes, I'm gonna do this

in the chilliest way I can. And then she stops and just stares at me and then keeps touching me on the back. And I was like, I was like, oh, and like they were like literally five seconds went by of just me being like, oh, wait, this is what would you like? What would you like? And then and then I was like, oh, d do you want a hug? And she just didn't say anything, and I just tugged her and then she left. Anyway, we're gonna cut this out.

But I was just like, it was truly, they can't just come up and caress That's okay, I mean it was. I was just like, and she said, I'm gonna do this in the chilliest way I can. Oh, ma'am that that is the opposite and the opposite. And there literally cozy on me. It was cozy on me. Um wait, okay, it's Monday. We have you on your on your day off, do you have a Monday ritual. What's on the docket. Well, now we have SAG screeners, so that it's going to

be on the docket. Maybe some movies, um, but typically it's like sleep in and then I have a sweatshirt on, bios, pajama hands on and she can't see, and I keep that vibe. I don't go out. I like rest. Oh that was, oh my god. I don't go out. I just rest. And then what you don't know, readers, because the podcast are not visual medium, is her camera absolutely flew off the table. She used to resonator for that. She used a resonator. Yeah it's healthy, um so, but

it's no singing on Mondays. No, not really unless I might get like a cameo request only podcasts that are also And they say talking is sometimes even more stressful on the boys. I know, but you gotta see I'm placing it in a like bow and said a nice warm bath. We just we gotta give a gentle. You really are Oh wait, can you guys help me on this? I was whispering for a while to on Friday, whispers bad. I like this feels bad. I think that it's bad.

It is something good, like if you put your thumb or something in your mouth and close it around and just blow. It kind of opens up this up a bit like, oh my god, rocking my world and you're not making sound when I have too that you take a straw and put it in a cup of water and just blow, blow, blow bubbles. Yeah, this is Vicky. I don't know if you noticed. She has like Kimmy has, like a little cup. It looks like a takeout cup

of a straw. Sometimes she's taking water and sometimes she's just blowing and like, yes, but wow, that's a stage half. Very very clever, very nice. She's very smart. That one's very smart. What's working with her? Like talk about the legend Victoria Carr, I mean a dream come true. There are times that I will go down and just watch scenes I'm not in, you know, like I don't get tired of it. I'm excited for the cast album fully

to drop. I listened to it eight times a week, and yet I want the album to like hear more. That's special. She is never the same, so every time she's so alive as a performer that who knows, she might be more playful one day, or she might be so it is so fresh, and that's how I like

to be, is just like what's in the moment. I don't want to like set something that is identical because that feels stale and not alive, and so I like to be alive and clearly some line readings that you know, get a bigger laugh, you might give it that way, she can more consistently and general as a whole, Like her performance is just so lived and I don't it's magic. I don't understand. Like she's just a different being from

a different world. And she's the most generous actor to share a stage with, like the way she holds for your laugh, and she loves playing a street She's like, I love playing the straight man. It's my faith. She's just so generous with everything. She's like, well it'll give you a bigger laugh if I just like with the Pine co Owner with you know, we find different rhythms and then we've also just become like really close friends kind of hold each other up. During this it's very difficult.

She barely leaves the stage, you know, present her sixties, and it's like I don't know how she does that physical, vocal and emotional journey, like to be in that because sometimes, like I've gone through stuff where I'm like, wow, I'm feeling a little depressed. I think I'm taking Deborah home with me, because while she's funny, the way I operate my the acting choices is like I'm alone in the world and nobody has my back. And so, you know, I come into the library and I see I find Kimmy.

I wait. I wait out in the library because something big happened, which is a reveal. I don't want to, you know, spoiler alert anybody, but something happened. The family was in one town. I was a part of it, and I fled to the woods because it was it was a big thing. And when I came back, they'd moved and nobody left me a note like an abandoned animal. Like that's rough. And so I get out of my aunt. I do never say mom and dad, so God knows

where they are. Ali and I have decided she plays Ali, Mozy plays my sister, that we have different dads, um that I don't say parents. I don't see anyone, I say. I called aunt Helen, and she wouldn't let me stay with her, but she told me where you moved to? But I didn't have an address. So I have been being out in the school library right right right, waiting to pretending iconic choice to have her inhabit the school library library, not like the library, public library, town, the

school library. It's so funny to me, it's so I mean, it's so debb but like that's rough, lots of little inventive choices like that. The show is very specific, very it's really fun to play all that. But sometimes that's like and so I can also it's every day, it's

every single day of your life. Yeah, And so to watch Vicky literally be in the body of someone who's like young, who like there's this scene in the library where she's hanging out with the kids and they have a song about well, real life hasn't started yet, Like it's later, it's when we get out of Jersey, when we go to school, when we you know, become adults, Like right now doesn't matter, and that's her entire life

is right now. So she will never get to go to college, she will never get to go do these things that these kids say are the only things that matter. And you're like, and to watch her face like kind of take that information, like and she does that eight times a week, like I don't. So that's why I say she's like this magical unicorn when I struggle with my own journey. I can't even imagine how she does that.

It's times a week. It's really like watching it. It is such a joyous experience in the music is beautiful and the cast is great. But I remember at the end of Act one, I was already like sobbing. I turned to Patrick and I was like, I'm already there because this is this is not going to uh healthy place for her, the character, you know what I mean like, and he was like, he was like, girl, just wait

and then actually really delivers. But I just can't say enough about the still leaves on an uplifting but you don't leave being like I'm devastated. I can't get through, and you're like, you can't get more uplifting. I went through every Yes, You're like I went through every emotion possible, and like the of it all very cathartic. And then you leave and you're like, oh, but I do feel like I want to seize the day come on for

Kimberly and Kimbo is. She probably went to Disney World at the end, and then she realized she didn't book fast passes in advance or any dinner reservations, so she probably was reading onlines all day. I will tell you, like, if Kimberly and Kimbo shut up to the Disney World that I was just that I would feel released. I hope she told someone about her rapid aging disease and maybe they could get her and get her on some rides,

because that would be really frustrating her up front. Let her, let her be in the front, let her be in the first car. Spoiler alert. You do see Kimberly at Disney World at the end in some fashion, and it is quite beautiful, and I go, oh my god, I was like, wait a minute, Like Victoria Clark is like acting in front of a green screen, and I'm like fully convinced that like this little girl is there like having the time of her life. I think she had a great time. I think Kimberly had a blast. She

absolutely had a blast. And again we only say it's the meat, like the average life expectancy. We don't know that she's to die this year. She'd lived to twenty now, not past that probably, um, but like we don't know, so like, it's not, it's not it is a fictional disease. Because the movie Jack with Robin Williams, which I'm sure people bring up to you each and every day, they actually don't. And I'm surprised because immediately was like, oh,

like yeah, right, iconic film, Diane Lane, French Russia. Come on, teacher, it is so good. I'm sure they don't want you referencing the movie and press and stuff like this. Maybe yeah, maybe not. Who cares come for me? I mean, it's not the same at all, but it reminds me of Jackly I love. So get into it. Get into it. What have you seen? Speaking of film, what have you seen? Say you're about to dive into these side screeners, but the Oscar nomination has come out this week. We are

iconically Record on Monday. They come out tomorrow. What are your big predictions, what are your big bold wants and needs desires for the season. Well, I'm very behind on my views. Um. I literally was like, oh my god, because you know, I've been in the world of putting up brand new musical that helps the theaters and stay healthy. Like I haven't gone out much. The one time I went to a theater is probably not going to be up for Oscars, and that's sad for me because it

should win everything. Megan. Yes, I love Megan so much. What's so funny is I was told you have to see it in a theater with people, and I was like, okay, great. So I went with my friends, um, who are also performers, Matt Doyle and Max Clayton. Wow that was a real good crew. Yeah. So we got like tickets for after all of our Thursday night shows and we went to

a ten pm showing and we get in. There's like three people the back of the year and I was like, I'm feeling very nicole kidman, like we come to the theater, like buy myself in the theater and now look to me. And he was like, I'm so glad we're seeing this with everyone I know. But I still was like, scream gackling. I loved this so much. It's I mean, it's it's it is campy, but you get a sense that there's a lot of room to grow, you know what. Megan

two point like, I know that's the SNL sketch. If they will be called Megan two point or something, or Megan's and like there is so much places to go with he stole the files. We know how to make the files. What I had said the bone was don't you think we had seen the demonstration of Megan, Like they tease this called Megan demonstration and then we don't really see I do wish do you wish me to? And I wish there was more of that was an

opportunity for like a massacre a lot of people. And when with TikTok dances, you know what I mean, Like I wanted more of that for sure because Ronnie being like bringing more people, we need more people, more people, more people. You're like, oh wow, a bunch of people. They're going to kill so many people. Yeah, I love that. I Oh, I rented to Leslie. Why everyone was talking? I was like, um, it was that Andrea what is her last name? That's what Rice Borough? Thank you? Is incredible.

So my sleeper hope is that she gets like an Oscar No. But you know, lots of a List stars are coming out campaigning for her and Gwyneth Paltrow. But that's what all the trades are talking about right now, is that there's been this last minute ground swell of a list support for this, like real character actress who apparently gives a performance to the year to Leslie Andrea Riseborow, so it might happen. We'll know by the time. This

episode absolutely incredible. And also I just around Christmas watched Matilda, which was, Oh my gosh, I love everything about it. It was so beautiful, it was so emotional. Shanna Lynch, I wow, wow, how do you do that? And woman King congrats on life. Wow. Andrew Riceboro plays the mom in Matilda, and I was like, you're giving me British Judy Greer and you're giving me to Leslie, Like, I what, who are you? Like, She's unbelievable and she Leslie. So

that's my one hope that it will. I love seeing that. The only reason I know about it was because all these celebs coming up through on like my timeline. I just kept seeing like Sarah Paulson is going so hard for her, going so hard, and I love that that. I'm like, yes, okay, let me see this performance. And

she's incredible, incredible. Get this. So we're in my apartment right now where the fire arm was going off, and I don't think this is true anymore because I don't think that noted character actress Andrea Riseborrow would deal with this. One day, I was in my mail room and there was a letter to Andrew rise Borrow, and I was like, does she live here? And this is like a few years ago when like okay, it stopped. Maybe maybe that's

the spirit of Andrea. And no one knows where I lived, but so I can say this, and I don't think she lives her anymore, but she did live there at one point. She might have because there was I mean, who has that name? But there was like a couple of pieces of mail addressed to her in my mail room. When I was I was like, oh my god, because I've known how good she was for like she's she's so like she's somebody who I'm like, oh my god, that woman again, Like you know, she pops up in

all these places, and she's always really solid. But like to give me it's like her leshan A Lynch, Like they're giving me two incredible, completely different performances. And they're both involved in Matilda interesting um and then also I love Woman King. I loved everybody in it. I thought it was incredible. I just watched Waconda Forever. What do

you think about Angela winning the prizes for that? Like her performances major, her performances major, like one of her speeches when she's like reading the room, like you all need to calm down. I am the queen here. I have lost some people like chills, the power, the restraint, the emotion. You know, Judy Dench won an Oscar for like an eight minute performance, like I say, give her all the words, give her a Country Music Award. I don't even care give him all that one scene. Yeah,

well I will be. I personally will be checking off the Sagbucks for one Stephanie Shoe. Stephanie Shoe waited and I'm so We're so proud, and I literally when that happened, I texted her. I was like, look, I know that you like Loki ha, don't like you're l O l about this stuff, but I know it meant something to her to be recognized by her peers. And I'm happy and proud to be checking off that box release. Let her get an oscar. No, she's genius in that movie.

I'm praying. Did you guys ever worked together? We did a reading together of who was Just at the public Soft Power? Can you imagine the Great White Wire again. No great white voice in Soft Power are the legend, the legend of um No, we did stuffs. We didn't. We were work shopping it at Sundance at mass Mocha, so we were there for two weeks MassMOCA so we were there for two weeks working on that together. She's incredible in I love that movie. I hope that movie

squeeze everything. Michelle Yo has to win. I'm sorry something. I mean, we we are tar heads, but Michelle Yo is our front runner. Like I haven't seen sariet I love Cate Blanchett, but it's time. Michelle Yo always delivers. She's a queen and I want her. Yeah. Absolutely, Wait, Bonnie, the first time we met was at a reading for Schmikadoon, right. I think that was the first Oh my god, I was like, wait a minute. I was like Bonnie Milligan, like,

you were so funny. That was a great reading because it was like Pasqually was there and um oh god, I'm blacking her name. She was Regina, the original Regina and Mean Girls, Taylor Taylor Loderman, Taylor Lowderman, who I thought was so funny and she was really funny, Emily Skinner. Natalie wasn't there, but I'm Skinner's very fun. Jared Jane Krakowski, very fun. It's very fun time. Brad Oscar, what are we thinking of Chicagodon is back in Chicago? When are

you involved? I'm not involved at all, but I was. I remember them telling me that that was the concept for season two, like it'll be like seventies, like Candor and Ebbs style stuff, and I was like, Oh, that's genius, and so I'm excited to see what they do with it. Speaking of I'm so excited to see Ris. I want to come and see Mama Morton and I'm obsessed watching drinks through the press rounds right now. I'm ready for it.

I mean, come on, brilliant and uh, I know James he Lane is playing Billy Billy Flynn Billy, thank you, So I'm excited to see him too. He's brilliant. Did something together at City Center UM a few years ago and he's incredible. So well, I did see it a few months ago with Pamela Anderson herself. So did I I wanted to experience that, yes, perfect like cookie sweet, and then when she dropped into these like dramatic, like

grounded moments. I was like, shook. I did see Opening Nights, so I think I saw her at like a ten. But I'm I'm wondering what it was like when she finally did like drop in and find it not that she dropped in, yeah, and she was like and then all of a sudden, just the realist of the real when you wanted it. And I was like, you're giving me layers and I'm here for it. God, we love

her a true actor truly. Have you ever seen v I P V I P back on the day her spy show no new Sorry, sorry sorry to this woman, but I mean her acting and scare me. The three in the beginning still top nuts? Okay? Are you okay? The cow says blank three letters, dude, but that's us. Who's who's McCarthy? We can't get into it. Who's Jenny McCarthy out of me? And I think only Bonnie can be the casting director here. Once Jenny McCarthy once family

Anderson Odd, Okay, Um, there's no wrong answer. I'm going to give Pam to Bowen and I give Jenny McCarthy to Matt. I'll take it, Okay, Okay, yeah, I'll take it because I love the view. I love it. Oh. By the way, we never mentioned on the pod we did our culture catch up rest in Peace, Barbara waltersa piece. Kicky Palmer did say rest in peace, Barbara Walters. She did,

so it was covered. I was covering no problem. But we look ahead to the oscar nominations and UM with that spirit in my and it actually is related to my I don't think so, honey. So should we transition? We'll transition too, I don't think so, honey. Okay, this is our one minute segment where we go off about something in culture. Matt has something oscar Ms related. Perhaps the thing has stopped, so it's it should it should happen? This is Mett Rogers. I don't think so many starts new.

I don't think so, honey. Snubs We don't know who had happened to but it is a fate worse than death. And I am with you today. We we understand that

so many hundreds of people have been snubbed. This week we are iconically recording this Pop Culture UM podcast, and I am sounding the alarm and saying reach out to those that you know that we're snubbed and pat them on the back like a creepy woman at Kimberly and Kimball going up to and say this is the chillis wag can do this my girls who are gonna be snubbed. I hope it's not my faves, but it has to hurt to work so hard for the domination to be on the shows, to grind the grind, and then to

see you are snubbed. As someone who's been snubbed, I have to say that I'm really thinking of you and all my girls nominated. I'm so happy for you. I'm proud of you. But just please text the girls who were snubbed and say, hey, should have been you instead of me. Be kind. Be kind to those snubbed. That's my big thing now going forward. Be kind. That's if you're someone you know was snubbed, Be kind to yourself,

be kind to others. You know. I hate that you called back the woman at kim really a Kimbo because I really wanted to cut I really want to cut it. Why would we cut it? Because I hate that I'm even sharing the story to begin with, A woman came up to you and carressed your back into this is the chillest way possible I can do this to me. That's that we have to sell the alarm. Do not touch bow and Yang in a chill caressing way. Just don't do that to anyone, even if it's like you

think it's your fourth grade teacher. I wouldn't go up and slowly caress someone and say I'm trying to be chill. God, my kid loves your class. It's weird, So why would you do that to an actual celebrity? About not I slowly caressed my lover. Only talk to anyone as if your son's fourth grade teacher. Yes, that's a really good rule. Miss Munson, Miss mus Munson, show some respect, I show

us Munson in fourth grade? You did kidding? She wasn't my teacher, But there wasn't Miss Munson in the fourth grade. God way, Bowen, I also did not have Miss Munson, but she was a fourth grade teacher in my thing, my sister and Miss mus this is weird. Did you have Miss Sunson where she was like it's me, Miss Munson.

And if you're not treating everyone when that you meet like Miss Munson like yes, hello, I have respect that I'm looking at you from a distance and from a distance as if there was a desk between us, you know, so listen, I mean I'm just saying reach out, like be kind to those snubs. Don't caress them, but you know, and and this is I mean, like, well, we'll talk about it maybe next week, but like there's gonna be snubs. And that's just how Oscar Morning works. And that's part

of the drama of it. Okay, you got Kate Blood chat out here saying we should stop putting performances against each other. And I'm like, Mama, I understand you in spirit. But a couple of my friends brought up like that's the how the whole conversation about good movies even happens is the oscars. Otherwise we wouldn't talk about, like, you know, good movies at all. Would just be like all the big box office stuff all year, Right, I guess you gotta have it. Yeah, food for thought? Uh Bowe and Yang?

Are you ready with you? I don't think so, honey. Yeah, I had this ready to go. But I mean the fire alarm going off in your apartment is sort of sort of has something to do with us. Okay, Well, this is I don't think so funny his time starts now, I don't think so, honey. Songs with sirens in them. Some pop songs that have like police sirens in the um like at any moment. There are like I can't think of examples, but there is like rainy Alarm Spice.

There's a Spice Girl song that has like sirens and him, and every time I listen to it, I have to turn off the music and go, is there a siren outside? Should I be worried? If? If your song is motivating me or any listener to press pause, then it's fail as a song. I'm not supposed to be taken out of the moment. I'm supposed to be with you for the full length of the piece. So you got we

gotta figure this out. There's no reason unless the song is about the police state that we live under, I don't want to hear a siren in it, Okay, So I think that we should just do away with this. And I'm so sorry for for this on a metal level, working against this episode because there is a fire alarm going off throughout Matt's audio. Not right now though, and that's one minute, and I heard that one of the big next wave of pop girliedom is going to be

all albums about the police state. So then they're they're all gonna have sirens, is what you're saying. I think we're going to be in the siren era, but no bow and I hear what you're saying more metaphorical. You know, yes, yes, yes, post to arms called to fellow women. Yeah. Did you see Beyonce's performance in Dubai, Like like the all the clips and video from it, I have not seen all of them yet. I haven't seen all of them. All of them. I know they're I haven't seen all of them.

I have not gotten to sit down with my pin and watch all of them. You got a lot to do. I also saw a tweet that somebody was like, I'm upset that. You know, Dubai has so many anti LGBT. That's the launch it there. Even if they gave her tons of money like they maybe not, well that is the thing, right, Like someone was like, what do you think the price tag was on that? And I'm like, oh, how much could it be? And then we're like, oh, there,

it's possible that she made a hundred million dollars doing it. Otherwise, why would you she hasn't performed in four years. But it's me that she didn't do any Renaissance material off of it, like like a performance, because then it would have been crazy to do it in due she did like a kind of a weird set list, right. It was for a hotel opening, like it's she It was very emmercial, not a fully fledged Beyonce show. I think the check probably paid for the Renaissance Arena tour. Great

and great? Are you ready to belt out? And I don't think so, honey, Yeah, you always singing it? Yeah don't, Yeah, no, I don't Mind's kind of related in some ways, um to the idea of snubs. I'm gonna it's sort of in there. And this is very not seasonal. We've just passed Christmas, but it's about that, Okay, no problem. Well Christmas is Christmas is a big culture. If I've got huge culture vibe, absolutely this is Bonnie Millikans. I don't

think so, honey. Her time starts now. I don't think so, honey. We don't have a diva's Christmas Carol Availa on any stream sites to have it saved to my iTunes? Are you telling me that the only Christmas movies that are classics, were like It's a Wonderful Life, Elf and a Christmas story about a kid with a gun. I don't think so, honey, Because I had a Scrooge that featured Vanessa Williams has a part of a girl group. We had an original story. Second,

you're gonna snub that. I don't think so, honey. They sang songs that were catchy. They gave us a new pop too. Yes, thank you quick. Absolutely, that's not something I can buy on iTunes. I don't think so. She's the best Scrooge as a side from Michael Caine and I'm up at Christmas Carol. But I don't think so, honey. Why can't I have this always preserved? You had Kathy Griffin is the Ghost of Christmas. You had vh ones behind the music as the Ghost of Christmas. That is innovative,

That is culture. I don't think so, honey. Put it on iTunes and that's one minute unbelievable. I mean, let me tell you something. I came into my fifth grade teacher, Mrs Sprague, and I was a little f a g and I was like, did you watch a Diva's Christmas Carol? And she was like, no, Matthew, I didn't watch that.

She was like, well it was. It featured Vanessa Williams has Ebany Scrooge, and she was like, and Chili from TLC Marley Jacobs her former so and then she was like, you have to go very dreamgirls, find a girl that you like put down because you wanted a better solo career, and you have to bring her back into the fauld. It's very like, bring back Effie and let her sing one more time. Okay, okay. Culture it is booming with. It was really culture. I mean like and also, did

you ever watch a diva's christ did? But Bonnie I was just gonna say, Bonnie really unlocked this for me because that really this is the thing now. It's like if it's not available, then like the memory of it goes away for certain people like me. Yeah, but that's how good the hook was that I literally remember is

it just a hard quake? Yes? Oh my god. And they also gave you know, Babs did their own version of that with sleigh Ride, but it was like a weird like let's say to slay them Sicklyn ring ting Tan lind too. You're like, why was that like they're like pop group made that famous at Christmas. I'm here for it. Remember this is how this is how obsessed with it I was and how gay I was as

a child. There was a moment in the behind the scenes part which is like it's true, like the Ghost of Christmas Future is a behind the scenes yes via trom behind the music episode, and they're interviewing Brian McKnight. He makes a joke about Maria who by the way, it's a Ruler culture number Brian McKnight, like a dream come anyway, I could never stop. But he makes a joke like Mariah carry like you know, like one time Ebony's she luck Mariah out of her dressing room point

saying had to be out there in her underwear. Luckily no one noticed, Like making a joke about how Mariah was always working. I would. I wish when we were done here, I could go watch a diva's Crystal you can. I'm gonna at least YouTube Church. But I bet that's even a flop of dead end. Dear Vanessa Williams, if

you can hear us, get the people. She really was a good scrooge like she she was eat Did you ever encounter Vanessa Williams because I know she's one of the stage No, well, okay, that's a lie I have. We've never worked together. I'm obsessed with her. I think she's like the most beautiful person in the world. When we were putting head over heels together, I literally went to the producers. I was like, she should play my mom? Can she be the can she be the queen? And

they reached out. And I love Rachel York, I love you. But like they did reach out and she was not available, and I was like, son of a But that's how much I love her. And recently a Broadway con, Hillary Secretary Secretary Madam Secretary came to the Broadway Con and did like a pan all with Leshawn's, Vanessa Williams, Julie White,

and Donna Murphy. And I was also there to sing from Kimberly Kimbo to kick off Broadway Cotton like Hello, and I was right after and Shawn's is one of our producers, iconic Shans, And so she was talking to um Hillary like, well, you, this is one of our stars. You have to meet her. And she gave her like

a candy necklace. We got like a photo together Vanessa was in the room and so we you know, I saw them, but I was like, again, I would fan girl too hard, I think, And there's just a lot of presents in that room between and I knew, like I knew Julie and I knew Donna, and so they were like the the the iconic women I knew were like yeah, and I was like, Okay, that feels cool, but I don't know that one. And I do love

her Ebony Forever, Ebony Scrooge Forever. Teevi's Christmas Carol fully wiped away memory for me that you brought back, like God, you're certain and I and now I want to see it and they can't do it. I want to see that, Like who do I contact? Because it's been painting my side every Christmas. I'm like, well, I wish I could watch the best pro shot pro shot from pH one. God released the Snyder cut of Diva's Christmas Carol. I

want to see four Hours Dark. I just I just went to the opening of Jefferson May's doing like the One Man Christmas Carol directed incredible, but one of the questions on the red carpet was like, what's your favorite Scrooge or something, and I was like, it's a movie called a Diva's Christmas Carol starring Vanessa. Absolutely great answer and if that interviewer knew anything worth a damn, they probably wouldn't cross side and turned to Sanda. But now

they didn't. Well listen, when does the cast album come out? Do we have an announcement or a day Valentine's Day? Yeah, The Kimberly A Kimball Original Broadway cast album is out on Valentine's which is iconically February fourteen, a love letter to the people. The people take it in well, it's an amazing show. Everyone, please go see it. You will not regret it. You will fall in love with everybody, especially Bonnie Milligan. Thank you so much for joining us

at Belting Bonds. At Belting Bonds, um, thank you for having me. This has been so much fun and iconic for me. I mean, you are you are a part of the podcast history because of your iconic performance of one of the Records of the Year nominees and someone that inspired you from a young age. And even though it is firmly January and we are past Christmas, we did say that Christmas culture is year round culture, and so we finished every episode of the song Wan Christmas.

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