"Gránd Culture Catch-Up: How Is Your Baby?"

I think my baby is strong and more straightforward. It's more like my baby is strong. It's getting really And then they swim together in the circle. I really felt a sister dynamic. You are Kate and I'm the whale. You think so, No, I don't like that because spoiler alert, they come get your yellow juice. I did not like girl, my little brain juice they got. They came and got your brain juice. They drilled a hole on the roof of my mouth and got my brain juice. Do we

talk about this? So the new un obtainium is that juice. The new girl on the black is what are the whales called? I'm not sure. It sounds like, well, the whales are called tung CON's and you tilcoon tilcun tu l q u n and then you gotta go get their whale juice because I think it's anti aging. I think it's easy, reezy, beautiful cover girl. Wow, it's retinal. Retinal is a yellow juice in a way. God, dare we ask a question about where retin all comes from?

Are we going to be horrified and just dismayed by the answer. It's fine. It's a vitamin A derivative. You don't have to get it from anywhere. You can just make it in the lab. It's totally fine. There's nothing wrong with and all. There's everything wrong with the What with the way that these humans miss thing got her arm cut offs? I would say that was a highlight of the movie for me, and I will say, so, wait,

let's just get into it. We're talking about Avatar. The Way of Water, um, a film that really took box offices, you know, by absolute storm. It was not the only movie I've seen recently. I want to get into that with you. But oh my god, I'm so jealous the way the types of turn. But let's just first talk about Avatar the Way of Water because this is let's just say, the first episode of Congrats grab we all

made it. This is our as promised, our Grand culture catch up, our Grand culture, the grand Grand Culture catch up. And um, I think the episode title is Grand Culture catch Up. What is the thing? The two dots above each other? How is your baby? Yes? I love that. There's much discussed. We have so much. We have a huge announcement about the podcast theme this year as well. Yes, lots too, lots to get into. But first, um, you know this movie took the box office by stormbow and

it was Avatar to the Way of Water. Wow. And your review was negative. My review was negative. And I made the mistake of writing a negative review on Letterboxed. Oh no, And I didn't realize there are some real Cameron head. Yeah, a lot of environmentalists out there, that's what they're That's what the James Cameron fan community calls themself environmentalists. But James Cameron is in a way the Taylor Swift of Letterbox Do you know what I'm saying?

Like you best not. And by the way, once miss Taylor comes out with her own feature film, as it's been announced to the trades. Yes, everybody, get off letter box. There's no point in staying on the app. It will be overrun, and there's no point in leaving an honest review about any work made by anyone because the horse will have been opened. James Cameron is the Taylor Swift and the Nick Minaj and like, you know, you know what I'm saying, like he is inviting a troublesome discourse

into that space. All I said was, you know, the movie was giving me a Command and Conqueror cut scene, which is this like old video game from where there was like variable frame rate. It was like, oh, the actors are in a different frame rate than the background,

which is literally what this movie is innovating on. Right, like all these all these movie techie motion capture moment, well, they're losing their minds over variable frame rate, which personally made me a little nauseous, which I'm sure I did not see it the right kind of theater with not the right kind of Dolby set up. It was not a good experience for me, got it visually, and also I'm gonna guess storytelling wise, you were not like necessarily transported.

But you know what, this movie has to make two billion dollars to break even what it's going to do, an which is going to do great. But for that reason, the story has to be the broadest appealing thing ever made. Yes, and so I forgive it. I forgive it on a storytelling level. I'm just doing it. On a visual technical level. It's stunning, a gorgeous movie. I was transported, but I was also a little nauseated, and I wish it was

more like right of passive. What was the flight of you wish you could write on the back of something while you watch it was what you're saying. Yeah, that's what I was thinking. When Ms Marines was writing the band sheet, I was like, I get me back on that thing. I want to go back. I'm gonna feel it's breathing. It's the chest rising and falling on me below my thighs. I'm going next week Disney World. Oh my god, I'm so jelly. You you you need you

can't do this to me? Well, I mean I so basically, it's me and my sister's last trip together before she becomes Chelsea Fraser. But this is our last time we can like spend brother sister time together. Let's see Fraser. I know, isn't that wild? Chelsea is going to be my sister's name. Oh actually, I haven't really gotten into it with her about whether she's like changing it, changing it, but like in all intents and purposes other way iconic. So we are going and I will be doing the

Flight of Passage. And so because I've seen Avatar to the Way of Water so close together with Flight of Passage, I'll be more able to accurately compare them. But for me, I would say my review of Avatar The Way of Water was I found um, I found it to be not really nauseating for me, but I did see it in Imax three D as as was really strongly advertised. I would mostly just say these are too long, These

are too long. I actually took an intermission for myself, and I did take like actually at ten to twelve minute break in the middle. And then I found out why I missed some crucial stuff go on in the middle with a flashback to Sigourney. I guess young Kierie, who's also played by Sigourney. This was part of the movie I did not understand. I didn't really understand why

we needed Sigourney. We were to play a team because because for me personally, when I was watching ms Kirie, you know, who was a teen nav or hybrid nav rather or whatever the fuck? It was interesting to me and sort of took me out of it a little bit that she had a Yale educated actress's voice, but that to me was something I could get over. But I did find out that I took a break in the middle and Sigourney sort of came back like as herself, and I guess there was like a dream sequence um

with Sigourney really sister life. I think I missed this as well. Yeah, or we could both have been there and fully watching the movie and just not remember it because it is one of those things. But and where it's actually it's jaw dropping. I could not tell you what this movie was, no me neither. I understand. The humans came back, Mama who was in the first movie, who was evil Colonel Fritz or whatever, A girl I don't know his name, but old Man came back as

a nov which is never good. We learned sacrifice as a family. We had a soft launcher of my of my new boyfriend whose code name is Lenny, on the podcast. Um loved it, was enthralled, Lenny loved, we got him a little stoned. We saw it up in San Francisco. That's endearing. So many people around us were enjoying it,

Lenny included, And I would say I had a fine time. Um, but I do believe these movies are too long, and for it to take up that much space of life and for me to not really be able to say what the movie was about about is jarring to me, but not unlike the first one. And is that by design? Is it supposed to be an m kneesiac sort of

viewing experience? There is something kind of amazing about that, where if James Cameron expects us to go into these movies having remembered nothing from the prior installments, I think that's actually incredible. I love that that might be the case. Did you re educate yourself off by seeing the first time again? They re released it in theaters and actually Sudy and I went we went to see the first Avatar when it was rereleased because we were like, Okay,

we'll definitely see the second one. Let's see what the hell is going on here? And then what's funny is we're going to see the movie. And I guess Lenny hadn't even seen the first one. So he turns to me and goes, could you tell me what happened in the first movie? Where I was like I literally was like, of course, so and then I started talking and I was like, oh wait. I was like, okay. So they go to a planet and there's this thing there, there's this thing there. But you know what, I am obsessed

with a wa as a concept. A WA. I love that they're connected to their land and their people. That was beautiful. See this is what Isa see. This is This is how you know that the film is a failure. You cannot be leaving Avatar too and saying what is a wa? This is like that's like leaving Earth and be like what was God again? Actually, this is my note for Avatar. In the world building of this. You need to do like Tolkien style, like the made up words.

You remember, you know when I say doth racky, yeah, I know I know those girls, or when I say or chai, when I say you know not school, you know who those girls are. Not to give miss Joanna too much credit, but even when I say mud blood or even when I say, you know, by the use of a slur, first slur of when you said mud blood. I heard that you said that with a hard D

and I was like, oh, I know. But these are words that Hugh just closely enough to like, let's just say English or a romance language that you go, okay, I can linguistically link that to like this abstract, made up concept in this other world. There is no foothold for me sonically for any of these terms that James Cameron has made up, except for un obtainingum, isn't that terrible? And navi nav that's a nav un obtainum. Those are the only words I know, and James Cameron has to

maybe try just having those two words. That the challenge for the next movie should be no new terms, no new terms. I would not hold your breath, So I know, I'm not of course, I'm not expecting that, but I'm saying it would be so much more helpful to me as a viewer. And that's what's important. You know, this movie had many subtitles because much of the dialogue happened underwater.

Did you feel that when you were watching the film you could pinpoint the time where it was required for Kate Winslet to have held her breath underwater for seven minutes and fifteen seconds, or maybe did she did? She never actually need to learn how to do that. Literally, I think she did have. I think all of the actors had to learn how to do that, is what

we're hearing. Right. There was not a continuous tape ache that was seven minutes long in which Kate was underwater, but literally she was underwater having dialogue, literally acting during

how is your baby? You know what? You're actually right, it actually was important that she learned how to hold her breath underwater for seven minutes and fifteen seconds because it was the most important scene in the film where she asked the whale how or the whale asked her how her baby was and she was or was it the whale that said my baby is strong? No, you know what? That's what it was. So Kate Winslet whale, no, mama, mama, whose name is right? Now? Roll the tape Ronald McDonald,

Ronald McDonell, the house down. Kate says to the whale, how is your baby? Because remember the whale has had a new baby, and the whale said my baby is strong, which makes it even more heartbreaking when spoiler alert, the whale and her baby are slaughtered by the humans. The humans suck. Oh my god. But don't you also feel real, real, Cristy. Don't you feel like maybe we we've had it with the humans, like we get that the humans are bad?

Like someone someone I think it was actually ContraPoints said like, so, just thinking about the movie again, who was evil? Was it the men with guns who came in and snarling and said they were going to like rape for the earth and like we're unapologetic? Were they antagonists? Just for me? I was just like, it is a little and it is speaking to what you're saying about. It needs to be so fucking broad and like paint and big broad

brush books like for Who's evil, Who's good? Etcetera, which I actually am okay with in a movie, especially in a movie that's for everyone, like essentially this is four kids,

um and there for everyone. But it was I was wondering if it would have been more interesting if there was intra planet conflict and instead of like the humans are back, Like I really don't need to see this evil I who turned into a navy be the villain for like all five of these movies, Like I don't care at all, Like I'd rather I'd rather move on to like you know, maybe it's like something that happens on the planet itself and there's like navy warring between

the tribes or whatever, like I don't I don't know if I need humans returning every movie. Who knows. I mean, maybe MS Miss Marine, Miss Thing Marine is gonna come back and really rally than the Pandora natives. And then the lines are so blurred, like where does he end as a human? Where does he begin as a navy? You know what I'm saying. Do you think that the third movie will take place in the sky or do you think we'll go to a different part of the world.

Do you think it will be Avatar three? Song of the Skies, The Song of the Sands, Song of the Sands, Oh, avatar um, Days of the Desert, Days, Oh my god? You know they announced what the what? The next one is called The Seed Bearer, which is just like Fags one. Everyone's gonna be like I want to bear your seed, you know what? Okay, can we move on? Because I assume I assume you were alluding earlier to maybe having seen Megan. This is how you know that energetically and

cosmically things are shifting in the world. Not only did I see Megan this weekend, I also finally caught Nope. I've had to quote unquote horror movies in the past couple of days. Now, let me just say I watched Nope. Lenny, and I watched Nope, and you had seen Nope months ago. I had seen Nope when it came out by myself in Charlotte. Yes. The reason we saw Nope is because next week on the podcast announce it bo Our first guest in Less Culturistic is the legendary Kiki Palmer. Were

so excited. It's gonna be so fun. I guarantee a good time. She's gonna be She's She's just a perfect person. I I would die for that woman, I really would. I've said it before, I'll say it again. We were in Miami and we were watching um just clips of her on Legendary, and she was so good on it, and I feel like all the things she does get lost, but this is someone and I can't wait to talk to her about this because this is actually something I'm really interested in, Like she is, I guess a figure

in our culture. That it's not even that she's saying yes everything, is that she is not afraid to show all parts of herself as a performer. You will see her be hosting, performing, producing, I'm sure like doing all these things, judging, you know, like she is just so confident in herself as an as an entertainer. And I can tell that for her, it's about entertainment first, and she wants to do what she's going to enjoy, and

she does enjoy all these things. So she enjoys so much about like, you know, like, no, I really want to be taken seriously as this this like she's not negotiating that she's doing what she knows she can be good at and have fun with. And I really like that about her. Is that not so inspiring? Because all what I'm catching myself doing right now, especially as being like, uh, I should like pull back a little bit or you know,

make myself a little less seen or whatever. And but then you look at her and you're like, she's never been hampered by that, and she's still Oh my god, I just I'm obsessed with her and assignment viewing for all readers, publicists and you my sister music video for her amazing song hands Free. She is doing Corio down, she is giving body, she is serving she she's looking at the camera and piercing through the lens to you.

You will love it. Look, I've known she was a star since Aequila and the b years ago and Jackson VP, True Jackson VP, and never forget her. In Oh My God, she sang Freddie and my Love she looked dead into the camera and gave that number, and I was like, I'm sorry, but that girl is here to stay. Also, never forget Hustlers. She's done so many things and we're so excited to talk to her. And I'll reserve my thoughts on Nope, which I loved, by the way, um

until we talked to her. But anyway, the other it girl of the moment is Megan and I y'all know I do not do horror movies, but I said, I can't miss the moment, a cultural phenomenon in our midst, and so I saw Megan, tell me what you think without spoiling, because my tragedy is that I'm in London

currently and it doesn't come out here until the fourteen. Okay, well take the to the Fundry on the fourteen, and the Fundry being any theater showing Megan because Megan is you know, it's not just like Megan is not only about to take over, Megan is a franchise. Why you see Megan two, Meghan's you're gonna see Megan versus Isabel, Annabelle or whatever you're You're are gonna see Megan going forward. And I will also say, as a result of watching Megan,

I began to rewatch of Girls last night. Here's what I have to say. I left the movie and I turned to I Think Lewis and I was like, is she good? I think she's incredible? And then I rewatched the first because we loved her and get out. But there's this narrative about her like she's just kind of like, I did you read the Vulture piece that Rachel Handler

wrote about her. I didn't read it, but um Gogger did this like roundup of all the profiles that have been coming out about her lately, and it's like, yeah, okay, we get it. She's self aware, but she actually has navigated the whole Neppo baby thing maybe the best out of anybody in recent memory, where she's like yeah, like I definitely got girls because of my connections. But that's the reality, and I'm still gonna work. Like great, that's literally all we need to hear. Yeah, I would agree

with you entirely. The Neppo baby thing. It's when someone calls you a Neppo baby and you're out there and it's just is true. I guess that's like, don't be defense of about it. It's just you are. I mean, we know several Neppo babies, and you know what ties them all together? I would say, they're all really fucking talented, and it's not like they didn't have a leg up. But what I appreciated about her response to it was like, yes, I I benefit from neptism, you know what I mean,

Just don't be uncool about it. Don't be defensive about it. Haley Peeper were like a T shirt that said Neppa baby on it the other day, and that that I feel like, is you know, she's not one of the ones I'm talking about, right, but she's no. No, I'm bringing her up as a sort of weird counter lateral example where it's like she's not being defensive about it, but she's also being smug about it in a way that I'm like, that's not it. The thing about Allison

is like I rewatched the pilot of Girls. She's so good in it. Her chemistry with Lena is really good.

And then just like I was reading this piece that Rachel did an amazing job on um and she was talking about how you know, I think because Allison is like quote unquote presenting as like a basic white girl, you know what I mean, And she plays that role of Martie, who is the big boss, basic dumb white girl especi the millennial culture, like really was captured in that moment like she was that girl and we all know that girl, but she this weird thing attached to her,

like she was that person. And she was saying in the interview like, can you imagine playing that person for that long and not being in on the joke? Like what, that's fascinating if people think that's who I am? And I would disagree that. I genuinely think you can be very close to the person that you play for that long.

Maybe that's not the case with her, but in this movie, and I like the way that she's attaching herself to these horror projects because to me, it's so she has a sense of humor, like the way that this movie starts is immediately telling the audience like, hey, this is a big fucking camp joke, you know, which which I love and we need more of that. Well, Matt, would you agree that horror is sort of the last genres space where you can't have like interesting non pre existing

I p store worry like it's it really is. I think like unfortunately the last sort of like zoned out area and in Hollywood where like it can be on news stories all right. I think of the past year like between Smile and Barbarian and like like these Nope, like these are all these are all great films period. Yeah. And I would even say, like, you know, I did not see it, but obviously people with malignant people feel

a franchise was born there, um, you know. And and I would say it is really interesting because there is not only just in you know, what audiences get from it in terms of going to the theater and having like a knee jerk response, like like an actual like out loud emotional response like I guess you could call you could say screaming or gasping or being scared is the same as like laughlock having that involuntary like response that you get because because you really we've seen comedies

have a very hard time doing that theatrically. But I think that because like you can sort of get that same physical, like conditioned response from a horror movie as you can get from a comedy, you see those movies be really successful. And also the crossover with comedy a lot.

You know what I'm saying. Megan is a comedy film, Like I mean, this is Yes, there are jump scares, and yes there are like there are kills in the movie, but Megan is a comedic She is a comedic icon, and like just people negotiating her and talking to her and around her, Like I was impressed the entire time. There are there is a scene where she sings Titanium by the Little Girl, which is a moment in comedy history.

I mean, it is so beyond We were screaming in the theater, not just from being scared, but from also being very tickled. And I would say, you know, comedically is off to a great start if Megan is the first comedy release of the year, which is and so in that way, I can appreciate it. I'm so excited and Nope, was way funnier than people gave it credit for. So funny ways, Oh my god, did you I heard

a story that Kiki gave. This isn't not a spoiler, but Kiki gave a different version of that opening monologue, the voice over against like the horse saying, like a different version every single take. And I'm like, this motherfucker is so she has it. She has the fact, she is oozing it like it is. I mean, I I turned to Lenny last night when we were watching it. I turned to him and he was just like, She's

a fucking superstar. I was like, down, down, it's so it's once in a generation, you know what I mean. All I've wanted is like a leading lady who also has like a really perfect side of her that is like Jack Harry, Like there is like very Jack, that is like the beautiful thing that Kiki has. You know what it is too, It's like the fun is being followed, the fun is being followed. Oh my god. She she's hands down my favorite host and my time there she is. Oh god, we we had so much fun. She loves

to laugh. We love that. And then you get that sense, you know what I mean? And also you know, like Joel had such a great time working with on Quimby, but anyways, so much to talk to her about. But I had to I had to just um say that, Yeah, I agree with you. It feels like the horror space there is something about that shared experience of the theater that is not replicable at home, whereas with comedies like you kind of can replicate that experience at home, you

know what. Yes, And well with with horror, it's like people can already anticipate the turns if it's an existing I P. Does that make sense? Like it benefits from being surprising and so therefore it's like it makes more sense to like have these stories be things that people haven't seen before. I don't know about. Yes, And also I think the things specifically with Megan is she is a direct response to like what it seems like the zeitgeist craves right now, which is she is a meme.

You know what I mean, She is a walking meme. It is like it is it is so stupid when you see her every single time you you literally could laugh every single time she appears on screen, and the way they her and sometimes the way that like she just like shifts her eyes in a certain way, like it is a fully realized it's a really well done movie, and who goes to everyone that was involved. I mean, because it wasn't too long. It was really fun, it

was scary, It was fucking laugh out loud funny. If I have one note for it, and I won't get too into it because you haven't seen it yet, but they sort of set up a final set piece that we don't see and I'll ruin it. But like spoiler alert,

not really that, Like this isn't about any character's fate. Um. I would say they're supposed to be like a big expo at the end where a lot of people come see a demon's ration of Megan, and we don't see that, and I was I just really wish we had seen that, because like her wreaking havoc on a ton of people would have been really fun. But instead we get a very classic like final show down between the girls, which Alison definitely carried. I mean, look, I loved her and

get Out. I didn't see that movie The Perfection, but I heard it was good. If she's carving herself out in this horror niche I say, you go girl, Yeah, I love It, love It, Love Her, and I Love Marny Canican Central Parks one of the best episodes of television period period. Speaking of monsters, you get to experience the premier of Drag Race, I was speaking of monsters. Um, those drag queens are monsters. You can't say that. I did.

I did, you know, I I enjoyed it. It is overwhelming the amount, just on a volume level, the amount of girls. But it is because I guess v Comma is ordering a really really exorbitant amount of episodes, so therefore you have sixteen queens. Um, I think, yeah, I can't tell. I was thinking about whether or not it is intentional. On the show's part two immediately redeemed sugar and Spice, so that by the end of the episode, like everyone's on the same page. For the most part,

everyone's like, oh no, actually they're fine. You know. I think it is a way for them to justify them being there, for them to immediately have a narrative actually they're not that bad. I mean literally, what the show is telling the audience is actually they're not that bad.

Give like like with them, and I'm watching it being like, you know, we haven't actually seen them tested for like, we've seen them do a number that they've rehearsed a long time, and I would I would give that they are better than I would imagine that they would be based on never performing, which is the narrative we're also being told, which maybe maybe not. Um. Their runways looked great. I mean, for for queens that barely had their wigs

on before the runway started, they certainly looked good. But I just don't know how much of I don't know how much of it I trust as fact because I know it's a produced reality show. But like sure, like I mean, the show definitely succeeded in you know, telegraphing to the audience capital t capital a that they deserve to be there, um and we'll see how far it goes. We'll see how far it goes. Um. Interesting way to split the premier. I kind of liked that you sort

of had the second half time in halfway through. I thought that was good. I was really surprised, surprised raw deal that the second group of queens did not get to be Ariana in the workroom. But that's true, and I her was that Ariannest idea. Did you did you ask her. I did not ask her. No, it wasn't. I did not ask, So it might have been. It might not have been. Maybe they just had their like livasouses around, like Ariana, do you want to do this

the silly thing? But Ariana is excited. Sasha Coolby for me is the number one. I mean, Sasha Coolby is. She came out and I was like, well, that's the way, right, if I have anything to say about it. I mean, that's just like the type of queen I want to see on the show, but also a Nitra. I mean, I was really surprised. I think that was a well deserved win. Love that loved the kicking the karate walked that fucking duck. I mean, that was to me, it

was funny. It was surprising. I was screaming, it was stunts. I loved it, and she looked good. It was given like detox. If she could flip upside down detox, if she could flip upside down, if she could fully roundhouse kick a piece of wood. It was so crazy. I was like, it was so completely insane, Oh my god. And you know what, I thought, it was a great. I watched that lip sn twice because I think Amethyst

has something you know what. Yes, when that started, I thought, oh, Irene Dubois gonna like wipe the floor with Amethist, because I feel like we had seen what we needed to see with Amethists. But then I'm watching it and I was like, you know what, Amethist wants it more and I'm sorry, Like maybe she got nervous or something, or

it was just a flop. But for Irene Dubois to come out with that talent of I'm gonna pour a glass of water, it just felt like Rue, from what I can Gauge might feel a little insulted by that, like, oh, really, you thought that this flop joke you were going to make about not trying, like the anti comedy of it all, Like you were going to come in here with that and I was going to be impressed with it, and

the audience is going to be impressed with it. I think even if Irene had turned the lip sync harder, like Ru watched that talent and was like done with it, like don't waste my time. That feels like the number one thing with Rue, He's like I understand, like not everyone shares a sense of humor and a sensibility. But you can't come in here with that fucking bit, which

anti comedy. Anti comedy is not going to work on Drag Race, No, because there were multiple references to Willows talent last season, and I think some of these girls are confusing something silly to be avant garde, Like they think like Willow doing like the spaghetti into the toaster into the bathtub is like the same thing as like Sasha, Sasha doing the rose petals. They think that's the bar, but it's like, no, like that's Willows bar, that's not your bar. And I think maybe Irene was trying to

like do her version of that. Maybe that's my gas. You get the sense that, like the way she puts her looks together, she certainly cares, you know what, she's a really put together like, and she came into the

workroom first. I mean, I think that they certainly were assuming more from that queen, But for that to be what she did, it's like I I kept waiting for like something else to happen, like oh, she'll do this water bit and then it will transition, because it can't just be this, And when it was just this, it was just like oh, communicately, you just don't have taste. Well, sure, I think it's interesting. I was telling Dole, it's funny to me that the themes this season are TikTok and Connecticut.

Like this is very really weird, very weird, but very interesting. We'll see. I mean the amount of Connecticut queens who are like, what exactly is going on? Like not dragging. I'm just saying, like all the Connecticut queens were like fine, you know what I mean, Like like I wouldn't watch a single one of them, And I was like, oh, yeah,

well there's something happening in Connecticut all the queens. I was just like, oh, it feels like this is like the season fifteen casting, you know what I mean, Like we're we're officially like you know, yeah, looking for him. No matter how this season turns out, like, no matter what our assessment of the season is, once it's done, I think this will have a very similar legacy to season seven, where seven was the first season that acknowledged

Instagram queens. I think this is the first season that's actually like fully embracing the idea that like, no like drag queens are on TikTok now like yeah and I do appreciate there being one little nearer moment in the workroom, um where the girls were like yeah, I mean like we can't get into clubs, so like the way we learned draguas through social media, Like that makes total sense,

totally makes sense. It does. And also I think that like the old narrative of like a queen maybe having to look over their shoulder and being like I don't respect her about a younger queen who like starts online like in an era of the pandemic, when literally those spaces were not there for young queens to develop. They

had social media and they had the show to influence them. Like, you can't really be mad about someone never having performed when they were eighteen or seventeen when the pandemics started, maybe only found themselves in their their identity around that time or just before that time or even after that time, and then discovered that they have a talent with makeup or performance online and then they this is the way they find themselves on the show. I mean, like you

can't really be superior in that sense anymore. That being said, am I always going to gravitate more towards a queen that is clearly cultivated, a live talent and a persona that's like historically like a drag queen, someone that could you could watch in the club, like you know, carry a whole night. Yes, that is going to be more what I want to see. But you can't look down your nose at the queens no more exactly. And I think this is good. We should all embrace that change. Gosh,

Jack's was amazing. I jumping up with her hair is incredible. That that was incredible. Jack's to me, is an example of incredible talent. The aesthetic is bad, the aesthetic is capital be bad. It was. It was a week run round. I don't know what it was a week overall you felt overall overall because the was so open ended that it's like you can literally do anything you are, like, show us the essence of you, and nothing really sticks out. I mean, who is ironically Irene's look was pretty memorable,

it was, and and the twins. I like the twins. The twins looked good. I mean, they definitely looked good. Michelle dragging them for the long island of it all was so funny to me, and she was like, yeah, I go to the Roosevelt Field Mall. I mean like she literally was like she googled her Long Island specifics and was dead on with every single one of them. We were screaming, are they from Long Island? Are the twins? And then I think they moved to l A. Yeah,

just like me, just like you. When they said they were originally from Long Island, I lowered my head in prayer. I was like, oh God, the Long Island jokes that we're going to hear. And then I found out though they went to West Babylon High School, Oh my god, which is where I would have gone right next to you, had my parents not moved literally like I was in the West Babylon school district. Yeah, that's like an interesting

little connection. You think they were like, oh my god, Matt Rodgers from Icelip went to n y U and now he's on Showtime and now he's on Showtime. Um. But I would say is that their parents definitely live like right near my parents, and my parents live in West Babylon currently, So that was like I was like, oh, are they from West Babylon And then it all kind

of made sense. I was like. And then, to be honest with you, I was like well, that's kind of nice that people can be that gay now totally and that I mean like those twinks are gay, but those twinks grew up in like, you know, a working class part of Long Island. Oh absolutely, and like no, I

mean for sure. And that's the thing is, like, that's one cool thing about like having queens from different parts of the country that are not just like yeah, I've been in l A for years or I've been that that like you know, um, I think Ms Malaysia, Baby Doll Foxes from Houston. There was the first queen that's ever from Miami. Oh yeah, yeah, And I will say we were in Miami for New Year's and those queens at Drag Brunch were crushing. Those were some stellar queens. Yeah,

some pretty some pretty great us. And so when when they were like I'm the first Miami queen and the one queen was like, oh, Miami has some of the best drag It's crazy that there's not been a drag queen from Miami. I was thinking to myself, like, yeah, that is kind of funny. It is kind of funny. I totally agree with you about that sort of geographical variants where like Willow winning was kind of a huge deal. I mean, Willow and Ivy both being from Denver, not

sincelecting the Flowers. It was like a pretty like big gap there for a while for Denver drag and I feel like, it's like fun, fun, fun scene for sure. I took you. I took that to Charlie's by the way. We had so much fun to Charlie. It was great. It was a fun time. You really stole the show. I didn't know such thing bone came out at my Denver show install That was matt show through and through. Oh my god, I was. I took so many pictures from back stage. It was so I'll say it again,

I mean just so inspiring, so beautiful. Man, I'm so so proud of you, truly. Oh well, quickly wanted to talk about the Miley Dolly New Year Special, which we were at. Yes, I can't wait to talk about it. That was so much fun and so many happenings and spotting a lot of things. A lot of things happened. So let's I haven't even really sorted through my experienced my memories with it. So we get there. Let's do it. We get there and we check in and then on

the paper. I see in big letters Paris Hulton. I go, oh, Paris is here. I wonder what she could be doing. And I had heard that she'd re released Stars Are Blind. I was like, Oh, she maybe gonna saying Stars are Blind. That would be fun, and I was I did not I did not connect the dots to be like, oh, she's gonna do it with either Miley or Dolly. And we get there literally right on time. We get there and like we do a quick little step and repeat moment um, they do a quick little bumper with the

whole group. It was me, Hugh Patrick, Reagan, Jordan Ardino, who else? Nico was there, and then we basically get to this area, order some drinks, and then the show starts and then literally I tap you on the shoulder, I go, A Scala is behind us. Literally, a Scala was there. I turned around and lo and behold it was a Scala. And we find out that a Scala's husband, Dre is Latto's manager or like manager or something like, works on Latto's team, and Lato had just performed, which

was also amazing. She was and Escala is going off and we go over to her immediately and we are just like a scala. We are your big fans, etcetera. She was so nice. We took a picture of her where like you always turned the fashion and she goes, well, how did I do tonight? And then when she looks down and gives it twere, We're like, she looks absolutely stunt. We took a little video. Send it to Candice Stillard Bassett, shout out of my girl, um who continues to be

the star of Potomac. I'm as sesame Sesame Street is one of the highlights of the year. Sesame Street. I do not recognize Sesame Street characters. You need to go learn your numbers. Go learn your letters. Go read a book to a child. She said. She started with count count some letters. Count some numbers. Go read a book to a child. Go read a book to a child.

I do not recognize Sesame Street characters. And then I we have to we have to shout out at drunk drawn incredible illustrations of Housewives Moments did an incredible, incredible long form caption about Deborah. It truly, I mean, wait, I have to read it, and this is I sent it to you and we both laughed our asses up. I have to read, Matt, do you mind? I think I think it does. Finding this Escala, we love you you were a joy. It was meeting you as the highlight.

And then we also literally took a picture with Marissa Tomay. Incredible for that to be the last photo of that year, just like as if there needed to be one more like closing the loop moment for Marissa Tomay to be at that party so randomly and I's get a photo with her and get to connect with her over the fine island of it all. That was surreal. That was when we knew the year could end, period and it had to because it really was a little too on the nose with an hour left to go in the night,

we meet Marissa Tomay and got a picture with her. Incredible, she was so sweet. Okay, can you read this caption? Yes, this is from at drunk drawn on Deborah. This is now a Debora at the Dick Magnets stand account. Oh child, I'm buzzing. D is for Deborah. Who knew would start off with such a bang? When I turned on the telly last night and saw a figure as tall as Big Bird, as fluffy as Mr sniffle Up, I guess as silly as Elmo and had the eyebrows of Oscar

the Grouch. It was love. I'm in love, y'all. I levitated that ginger and stranger things. I'm running up that hilt to you, Deborah. You see, dear reader. Wow. Growing up Sesame Street was my jam. Those are my creatures, you see, you see, those are my features rule culture number ninety. Those are my creatures. Okay, oh this is this is amazing. Those are my creatures. Next next sentence, I'm an ernie moving on. Something arose in me when I saw Deborah and my furry So Deborah, baby girl,

I see you. I believe you, I feel you, I love you. Believe And to the Debora haters, you're just jealous that your hair doesn't look like Beyonce's hair with the fan, have eyebrows like Peter Gallagher and the charisma of the fruit loops bird period dot step off. In the beginning of the season, when Deborah walked into Karen's Spring Flank kickoff Celebration of Life taco party event, her

sexuality filled the space. She couldn't help it. People men can't control themselves was around the d They transform into nineties teenage boys meeting Pamela Anderson. It's like that, y'all. It's primal. Men get into owners when they see Debra a k A nature's viagraph. Okay, and there's there's just so much it's poetry, so funny. Wow, Candice, Shout out to Candice. Shout out to Candice who gave us that. And I would say that was a highlight of the season.

And thank god, because Housewives as a whole has been a little fucking dreary, babe like salt Lake. I actually stopped watching. Um, I can't stand the show. And Miami, thank God for it, Thank God for Miami. And I am so late to it, but I am catching up. I'm making up for lost time. Miami is good. Miami is in the top spot right now. Incredible. I mean I did see something, you know, some Bravo account, Bravo fan account to a meme of like, what is Bravo

worthy is Miami? What's peacock worthy as salt Lake? And it's not not, no, like you know, um no, yeah, yeah, yeah not now. But yeah, there's also big news. I mean, like den Shaw, so should we get into it? Six and a half years in the can five years supervise release. And someone said that we actually called this. Someone said, we said this is the amount of time she would get, which roll the tape. But I didn't know that we

called that. But I remember, like I went online after that was announced and people were upset that she didn't get more time. But like six and a half years and five years supervisor release, Like that's pretty much around what they were saying. It's not surprising at all. Six and a half years. Um, you know, federal judges across the bench are relatively border lenient on white collar crime. That's that's one thing. Secondly, she's agreeing to pay full

of restitution, that's another thing. And and then the other thing is for these kinds of crimes, apparently commonly you only sort of of that. So doing the math, seventy eight months of that is um sixty six sixty six, So that's that is that is literally five and a half. That takes a year off, So you know, I mean, she's missing a lot of moments, she's missing a lot

of stuff at home. It's wild. I mean, like, I don't know what there is to say really, Like, at the end of the day, there is a family that's being broken, but there are also thousands of lives that are also broken in the wake of it. Like it's

just it's just sad. It's really rough. And I think that they were taking into account during the sentencing that she she claims to have like mental health concerns that contributed to her state of mind when she committed the crimes, which feels like a lawyer's you know, excuse that they gave her. But also, you know, she does have the young children, so if she wasn't sentenced to like sucking twelve years hard time, that might be why. I don't really know how any of it works, but yeah, she's

officially going to a prison for a long time. There is also a thing to be said about if you agree to counseling for a mental health issue while you're in prison, that also helps lower then the amount of time you serve, So that could be part of it too, where she you know, probably her team was like, let's just say you were going through something, which you know, I'm sure she was, but the judge literally was no nonsense.

It's like, well, this happened before you were on the show, so you can't blame the show for like amplifying these issues, and it's hard for us to like confirm whether or not you were going through something at the time. He like pulled up the tech he like referenced the text messages where she was like gleefully being like l O L you're you know, get her to stop crying talking about like an elderly woman calling concern. Yeah, it's evil.

I mean her her behavior was evil. And the thing is like with like a mental health like excuse, like for example, like a plea of insanity or whatever, not that that's what this was, but like it's like anyone that does anything like morally corrupt or wrong, like anyone could use that excluse, you know what I mean, Like if there's if you kill someone, like there's something wrong with you, and like I guess it just depends like whether or not, like your lawyer wants to decide you

plea insanity or not right like you're But it's it seems to me, like how exactly do you do you decide who gets away with that? Or like who's the expert that comes in and decides someone actually is disturbed enough and therefore it like changes their reasoning or motivation to do something evil like this like it feels a cop out ish to me. But you know, like I said, I have no idea how any of this works. But for her to be like, oh, my mental health, it's like, well, yeah,

we've all seen the show. We know that. And I have also heard from people that have worked around her that she is unwell, Like she is the kind of person that's like, if you do this, I'm gonna kill myself.

If you do this, I'm gonna do it. Like she is someone who is constantly weaponizing like her own sanity or lack thereof, to like harm mothers, and like getting other people's way and and getting other people's heads about like how they're responsible for her, which is like, you know, she clearly needs a lot of help, and so maybe there was some assessment of that that went into the sentencing.

I don't know, Like I said, I don't know how it works, but like, it was really interesting that she made a point of saying all that when she spoke to the judge. And she also deliberately went out of her way to address her youngest child and not all of her children, which to me was trying to signal to the judge like, please be lenient in my sensence dancing so I can still experience life with my youngest child,

you know what I mean. Like it seemed to me like tactical, like of course, yes, I'm not going to say no part of it was emotional or honest or true, but there was a lot of tactical ship going on there till the very end to try to like get the sentencing down, which of course that's the lawyer's job, and I guess her job in that moment as the defendant. But yeah, it was just very very interesting. Yeah, and Lisa Rena is out. Lisa wren is out. I think

it's unfortunate. I really think they've lost to compelling. I mean I wasn't the biggest Rena fan, but like that is someone who kind of held it, held it together, was was kind of a glue for a long time. I mean, Renna was one of the best of all times. When she was good, she was one of the best of all times. She gave us so many television moments. And I don't think it's over, you know, I think she comes back in a few years. I think we

see her on an Ultimate Girls trip. I don't think Lisa Rena has done you know, I just think it wasn't it. I don't think she's well either right now. I mean, she went through a trauma. She's not operating from a ground did place. It seems like maybe she needs to just take a fucking breath. But you know, as much as she was annoying on the show this last season and people haven't liked her, like she fills the role of antagonists on that show, she is the villain of the show and they will have to fill

that spot. Um because Erica, I don't know how much she can do it by herself. She seems fucking tired to me. Also, who knows if she even stays. I'm sure she will because she needs a gig. Well, the thing the interesting not to go back to Jen, but like the interesting thing about Jen is like the judge

was like, how are you going to make this money back? Like, like she's giving up six and a half million, but she also has to part of the sentencing was another six and a half billion had to be like paid back in restitution, and so the judges like, how are you going to make that money? And she was, well, my manager is here and we're figuring it out. And then the judge, she goes, well, like, what are you

gonna do? Sell merch? Like I don't see how this is going to happen for you, And so for Erica, like think all she has is the show, but Jen literally can't do the show unless they shoot from prison, so which which they won't do in Texas. No way. I think that the way that it was weird weirdly working was like all that merch that Jen was selling was literally saying like free jen Shaw like it was it was saying, and the and the judge brought that up. Yeah,

I don't know. I guess she's gonna use that money that's from free gen Shawn Merged to pay back the victims of her crime she's saying she's guilty of. It's so we're being sympathetic in our discussion of her as a person, But I mean, she sucks. She's she's awful, and she's she's awful, and she's not essential to the show by any means, not in the way that Miriam Cosby is. She's bad bad television. Actively. I miss Mary so much. There are there there are hints she's hinting

at coming back. We missed the days we missed the days of Mary truly just to return to the Miley Dolly of it all. Yes, speaking of iconography, if we're going to speak on Mary m Cosby's iconography, can we just say I feel that is going to be the year of Miley. I feel like Miley is back in

a big way this year that I am excited. Like her announcement about her album like Endless Summer, I just think, yes, like give give us big summary l A Bops do for us what Katy Perry hasn't done in such a long time, you know what I mean, Like, let's give big hooks, Let's give party in the USA fourteen times on an album like Fun. Because I feel like my thing with Miley is because she knows how easy it is for her at any given time to be the most famous person in the world. She just I mean

talk about stark Follers like she is. And by the way, in person, the beauty and it factor is real, It is wild. I mean, she is Miley Cyrus like she is. She is really that girl, and she's an amazing live performer, live singer and host Like that was really really a fun night and she was holding it all together. I mean she was doing that. But with her, it's like I often find that her experimental eras like even if they don't like necessarily pop off in terms of like

a big mainstream success way. It's not that she's ever like in control of something that's gone badly. It's just that she's like, no, this is what I'm doing right now. This is the way I'm gonna express myself, and don't worry about me being huge. I will be later, you know what I mean. She always knows her way back. She's on her own timeline. Yeah, she she's just on her own timeline. Yes, exactly what you said. I mean, I do maintain that plastic hearts her. Her last album

is excellent, Oh my god, so good, so high. Who um. She is someone who I'm gonna say, you forget that she is a Nippo baby. She she's transcended the label and and and the way that like, you know, let's say Jamie Lee Curtis has not not not a great example. It's totally Apple st Oranges. It's like it's like the talent is there, and I do think that star quality can be inherited, like just like you can inherit anything from like you you see Kate Hudson and you're like, yeah,

she inherited something from Goldie Haunt. You know what I mean? There is something there that's like that makes sense by the way, Knives Out, Glass Onion gag very fun and Kate Hudson gives a Kate Hudson performance. So you're saying I'm dangerous? Are you saying dangerous? So funny? Janelle great? Janelle was great. She was great. I mean I I like, not that I already didn't have respect for her as an actor, but I was like, oh, yeah, this is like a new layer to her. It was fun, so fun.

I am on an Agathe Christie kick, are you? And I recommend the same? I mean, you know, Aaron Jackson is like the ultimate Agatha Christie head. And it's taken me like a long time from you finally get like to like, you know, let me just pick up one of these books and it's so fun. It's so fun.

It's like it scratches the same mitch that you would maybe have after watching like Knives Out or a Glass Onion, and you go, I just want like a fun, light, breezy little mystery that like kind of has all these fun little interlocking pieces too. It's great, so fun. I'd like a romp. It's it's it's gonna give you romp and quick quick reads. I'm reading Murder on the Links right now. It's one of her early ones. You know what.

I just bought the sequel to Less. Oh my god, I've been I've been debating reading about I love the first book so much that I am like afraid to read the sequel. Lenny and I were in the bookstore. I went up and I handed the book to the girl and she goes, oh, yeah, this is good. It's not as good as the first one. And I was just like, oh, okay, oh but it's still good. I think she realized, like I was purchasing. She's like, oh, it's still good. Though, it's still good. You'll like it.

You're like, it's just you know, it's you know what sequels as good as the first one. And I was like, it's okay, I'm gonna buy it anyway. And she's like, okay, I can think of some sequels. The Way of Both, the Way of Water and then Paras Sultan Singing Stars are Blind. I mean, god, so fun. Sarah Sherman Chloe Fineman nailing hosting duties when C was like singing Paris, and Paris is like, oh sing Paris, Oh well, we

love it, we love it. Let's quickly, quickly, quickly make an announcement about a show that's also just been announced, The Real Friends of West Hollywood, The Real Friends of West Hollywood. This podcast, Last Cultures is now officially identifies first and foremost as an ourfro wee ho recap pod our fro refro we ho um, the anagram of everyone's dreams.

We are an official recap pod for the show. We will be just like watching with bated breath episode to episode, week to week to see what happens in the Real Friends of West Hollywood's fives, dissecting these compelling characters, these amazing arcs, and really really getting invested the Real Friends of West WeDo. It's like, tell me, you're not really friends without real friends. It's so funny. I'm open. I'm

not even dragging. I'm not even peremptively dragging like could we Yes, i am open to it being an entertaining watch. It's what people have wanted secretly or not so secretly for a long time. But you just realize that. It's like some things are just it's tough to get everyone on board. And I would say largely, not that many people are on board, but we are. But here's the thing. It's going to come on right after drag Race, which

people are also going to have the TVs on. Well, people have an emoment, people have an emotional connection to, you know, mean girls, then drag Race then untucked like that what they that, that is what they want, that is what they're used to. And now you're getting, you know, fucking like the real friends the challenge into drag Race into the real friends like that, it completely sucks up there cushioning and so I mean, let's just quickly go down the list of these people. You know, it's so

funny they stopped at friends. Whatever the market research was was like, no, friends is actually the best word for this instead of like days, I don't believe that these men are actually friends. Of course not that's my biggest qualm of going into it, as I was like, no, I don't think the six of them are actually friends. Actually kind of know that, Um, I don't want to

say to too much, but like they're they're not. This is a casting and I just think they could have come to l A and found a group of six or seven or eight people that were actually friends and just done that. But and I think that's come that's maybe the first miscalculation. It's like did not. And I don't understand how you could want to pattern this after the Real Housewives and not understand that Housewives works better when you're watching an established group of people with history

and steaks. But I digress. I think where it gets a little distorted as status, Like I personally have no issue with Housewives franchises where I don't know any of these people, like these women going in right, do you know what I mean? And so the fact that that you have Brad and Todrick and James Vaughant, like it's like, uh, people, I don't know. It's like, do they have to be people that are like mildly exposed? Like I agree with

what you're saying. It's like it should just be like a group of gays in West Hollywood who work different jobs. Let's say, I don't even I don't even know, like I it's it's it's just I think, not this, it's not this. Do you know what I'm saying and well, yeah, yeah, you're gonna find out immediately when the conflict is like canned that they went ahead and cast this, Whereas like, what excites me about like a first episode of something is like when the conflict feels really specific and small

and could only be between these two people. Like if if the conflict feels broad in the first episode, we're gonna know like, oh, they're trying too hard to make this a thing. The reason Salt Lake City took off was because it smells like hospital. Literally, it was like, we're off to the races and we've never let go

of the rocket ship since the Rocketship Race. We're off to the rocket ship races, and I feel like there is I don't really see potential for that in this because I also don't think these are like can't be larger than life characters, except for maybe Taddrick. Like I said, I'm willing to be surprised. I hope it's fun and funny, and I hope that, like you know, there's positive representation, and I hope it's ultimately, like you know, a good

compelling show. I just wonder if we've already shot ourselves in the foot by not following an authentic group of friends that the audience could discover because it's or it's like getting a coloring book and it's like half colored in. You know what I mean, It's like Burial already has

red hair. And what's coming to me is that maybe viacom MTV was a little freaked out by the way Fire Island the show was received, where it literally was like a group of like just like gay men who like, we're friends with each other vaguely, who didn't know going in as an audience. So maybe they were like, let's try to like veer the other way, and so that might explain it. This just kind of is my slipshod

like way of justifying that. Yeah, I think that. Also, it's like, at the very least, like they got well, I don't know about everyone on this cast, but like a few of them are really talented, you know what I mean, Brad currently Grey stylist, I mean Toddrick, I mean Dadrick is talented, very talented actor. Yes, And I mean like, so they got a bunch of very dynamic

people to be on the cast. I guess I'm just curious to see how it's gonna fly out because I don't know, but I know they did get some people that worked on Housewives to work on it, Like some of the producers are Housewives producers, So they're going to try to make this as much in the image as

they possibly can. I mean, I'm just curious. In any case, this will be um A recap hodo, we recap pod, recap pod, So stay tune, I mean, and we encourage you all to watch along with us since we can all be we're all starting in the same level, and you know, just it's fun to just have conversations about this. Wouldn't you say it's fun to have conversations. I think that's ruler culture number six. It's fun to have conversations.

It's time for I don't think so honey. This is if you're just joining us now and media rez, this is our one minute segment that we do to really get something in culture that deserves to be dragged. And I think there's something that's screaming up from the culture that is top of my list for I don't think so, honey, and I'm ready, okay, this is Matt Rodgers is I don't think so. Money's time starts now. I don't think so, honey, Rolling Stone leaving Selina the list of the two hundred

greatest singers fuck off. This is so shameful and it's bitter and it's personal. I don't know how. I don't know what the collective issue that Rolling Stone must have with Selen Dion, but to leave her even off a top ten greatest singers list would be debatable at least two hundred. Are you crazy if you pull I don't

think so, honey. If you think that you're not going to pull all of those singers and they wouldn't even say she's one of the greatest singers of all time, ask the list that you are in itself for shame. This is ridiculous talking about people say that Mariah like and Whitney cultivated like the modern pop so downd Selene was right up there with it. Rolling Stone, this is terrible. S top five. Shame on you, Rolling You really had me fooled, and you two Stone death to all of them.

That's beautiful, man, and thank you for saying that it is not for nothing. But now now at a time where she is publicly really weakened and suffering, and so it's such a such a state of depression because she can't perform. You're gonna kick her while she's down. Now, it is cruel, it's incorrect, and it is it feels

like really tasteless to me, really tasteless for me. Like as soon as I heard that you wasn't on it, I was like, well, then I'm not gonna it wasn't even that, Like I, first of all, I worships they never have worshiped my whole life. But it just makes it completely like ice is that whole list out in my mind. I'm like, I'm not going to read that. I can't take it seriously. It's like you have to

be able to like wink through it somehow. And like Rob Sheffield, whoever the funk at Rolling Stone, like the people who make these lists, the music editors there are all well and good. I just sometimes they really like to troll the way that like you and I like to with our lists. But it's like we do it in a way that's like truly frivolous Stone though we're not.

We're not like an actual respected publication that you should read and be like, yes, like I can take this as somehow word is bond, you know what I mean? Like and then they're stupid fucking thing that they said after Remember, this isn't Top two hundred greatest voices. This is Top two hundred greatest singers. And there is talent and then there is genius. I'm like, I'm sorry, but you want to talk about technique and you want to

talk about genius. You want talking about singing, the way that Celine Dion uses her voice, the way that she uses her breath, her control, her access her range. Like, are you crazy? Like voices versus singing? And that's how you're going to distinguish. That's how you're going to justify leaving Celine Dion off. It's too much, it's too much, um whatever. I literally having nothing to do with this list, Like just subscribe to Rolling Stone just because I'm like, oh,

like they do good reporting. Um, but this is this Yeah, this is beyond the pail. Okay, it was completely beyond the pail. Bow That's what I said. Okay, and listen. So what I want to say to you right now is that it's your time. I don't think so, honey, do you have something on today? I do? I do? This is bowen yan. I don't think so, honey. As

time starts now. I don't think so, honey. London not embracing its pub food roots and only, and everywhere you go there's pizzas us, there's shake shock, there's fucking like things that don't belong, that do belong in London, but aren't about London. I want you know me. I love meat pies and there is no good place to get meat pie in London. The worst pies in London. There are no pies in London to speak of. Mrs Mrs

Lovett found dead. I'm over here going. It took me four different tries today, Matt true story to order a meat pie off of the delivery service. All I wanted was a nice chicken pie, because that is British. It's authentic, it's delicious, it's comforting, it's a rainy day in London. That's all I wanted. Why does it make it so hard, the cultural leader, there's so many roadblocks to having an

authentic London experience. London, embrace your identity, closed down some of the pizzeria's, we don't need them, turn them into pie shops. That's one minute. That's one minute. You know. Sudy just got back from London. As well, after Send spending her New Year's there, and she was also in Dublin and she whets the food is abject bad. I mean, the food is not bad in London. London has an amazing,

amazing dining landscape. I'm just saying, every now and then I want to order a pie off, specifically a meat pie, a meat pie, and I'm going, why is this so hard? I've I've had amazing dining experiences in London. I just wish there was a broader range of things and use cases. I want to pie. I'm sure other people do too. It's I want bubble and squeak. I want these authentic British foods. Do you know what I mean? Anyway? You know, um,

this is what I was saying. Sometimes when you're in a certain environment and you're doing something like eating a meat pie in London, it can recall Sweeney Todd and then you might lose your apposite because you look down at your pie and you think, is this a human? You know what I mean? Is this a human? Is this the cat? Is this a cockroach? It's like when you watch the movie No and then you get your body, You're like, is the note monster? Eating in my butt

that monster. I didn't like her when she died though, that was a gag sorry spoiler. When when she blew up the final form of that monster, I was like, oh my god, what am I looking at? It was so big, first of all, so big. I wonder if Kiki was gagged when she finally saw the moving and that's what the monster looked like. We're gonna have to ask her that. We're gonna have to ask her that. Kiki. Go look up Kiki's Instagram or TikTok. She's talking about

how she finally got clear skin. It's the funniest thing you've ever seen. Oh yes, yes, yes, yes, yes yes. We're going to have so much to discuss with her. Oh my god. Next week Kicky Plumber and this is gonna be a big year for Last Cultures discuss. I think we're taking it up the next level. We're taking it up the next level. Some fun moments, and we're gonna we're it's gonna be balanced, it's gonna be gaggy, it's gonna be fun. We're gonna really get into it

with some fun people. Fair and balanced. I wonder where I've heard that before. Fair and balanced is is our tagline for our new season, Fair and balanced. Should we moderate the debates whenever they happen? Should they have lost week? But that's not what you said, you said to her. I think Lost culturestis a live experience, should be like a debate show. That's really good. You know, that's really good.

We're still dealing with the repercussions of culture, which was what seven years ago, and there are still there's still some some wounds that have not been some shot. So we'll see, you know what what deals wounds time time. And that reminds me of a song. It really does, and we in every episode with a song. If you will catch you, I'll be it to u. Damn chime. It's not a key change, okay, modulation. The other day you're off key and I was like, you're just like Lenny.

He's not just like me. It's too early for that, Lenny. And he doesn't listen to the pot anymore, is what I hear. But I'm gonna I'm gonna have some words with Lenny. No Ah fighte up, Bye bye.