Look Mayer, Oh, I see you my own and look over there is that culture. Yes, wow, lost culture ding d lost cultus is calling happy birthday to my sister, Thank you, my beloved. Thirty four What a bizarre age to turn. Yeah, what's thirty four?
Giving?
Thirty four is giving sort of neither here nor there, you know what I mean. It's like I don't even know what to feel about it because you're not in your well. I guess I'm in my mid thirties. I'm in my mid thirties.
By sure, I mean, watch Adele come out with her next album thirty four, then that number will mean something.
Yeah, then we'll know how to feel A don'ta to feel like remember Billie Eilish. There's so many incredible singers saying incredible things if you really just listen. And that's actually really coach are number ten. There's so many incredible singer singers saying incredible things if you really just listen.
I I am just celebrating you. I celebrate you every day. I feel that from your sister, and I celebrate you as well. It is my number one joy in life watching you thrive, shine and conquer and more and more thrive, shine and more shine and more conquer.
Let's not get dictatorish on them.
Not in the year twenty twenty four.
No time, it's actually election day. I am stomping to the voting booth after this to cast my vote for Barbara Leaf for Senate Barbara, Miss Barbara Icon Progressive Champion, and we will do our best over here in California to vote. Are you voting in New York?
No, it's not primary day in New York.
Okay, Oh, I'm so California. I'm so l I only thinking about myself, Like if it's primary day for me, it must be primary day for everyone else. Shut up, matt Our.
Primaries are not for president or not until April.
Oh oh yeah, I guess you guys vote in a presidential primary. I don't even know.
Girl, girl, I'm just giving it up to God.
I'm voting local, making that change, Thank you. Do you see Taylor put out her you know, once a term voting registration call to action? Did she wait, I have to see this.
Which we blessed today in the Tortured Poets Department. Yeah, sort of aesthetic.
Okay, so she let everyone know everyone vote also, like sort of still have an album coming out. No, don't forget that one.
But bless for making those things converge, having those things happen at the same time. This is not me being snarky. Why would I be snarky.
I don't think you have any reason to be not being as on top of the world as you are, having just fucked Sidney Sweeney and all.
I mean, I think I've shifted a little bit down on the Kinsey scale.
No, Lie, you definitely seem straight to me. And I've been saying it for such a long time. Like my thing, like my Trader's moment right now is me saying I do think you're straight, bowing, and I think you've been straight this whole time, and I think that you're gay for clout, laughs and attention and attention first and foremost. Well, everything you do is for.
You know what, the Mr Asians are right. There is a conspiracy in Hollywood for Asian men to be effeminates so that they can escape persecution. Because I'm never persecuted in my daily life as a gay.
You persecuted. I really you're skating by I see you enjoying a life free of criticism and persecution. That makes so much sense. You're like Gilay in the woods safe.
Yeah, and they got her, so you're you're my charae, I'm Phedra. You're scharaping, like, look me in the eye.
Whoa drag?
My ass? That is not a drag. You know my feelings about Cherre Whitfield. I know you love ch I think she's one of our best housewives period ever.
She definitely is pretty fabulous, one of our best. So let's talk traders, shall we.
Yeah, Phaedra, they got you, Gal, they got you, They got you, and but you had a good run and you did what you set out to do, which is betray and make iconic television and check check we got both.
We didn't even talk about When Alan asked her who she wanted to recruit, and she said.
Kate and then she goes, will be a murdering dude. I was like, you did get enough pickup?
No, it didn't get nearly enough pickup, especially for something that was such a scream.
Kate be a murdering dude?
I was like, are you She might be a super.
Villain cast Phaedra in a Disney movie Pat Carrold.
She would be a great evil queen.
She would be a great evil queen, like I mean, and she's our generation's Pat Carroll. Make her and Ursula like villain.
That's really good. Phaedra Parks is our generation's Pat Carroll. That's actually really culture in number thirty.
Generation Carol Carol.
Oh, now I'm picturing her doing for unfortunate souls one man in the pasty. Okay, they were kidding when they called me witch.
Now tell us all about this. I still love that for you reading last night that you did. Oh, this was really fun, you guys. So last night in La well, Vanessa Bayer had reached out like like probably a couple months ago and was like, you know, there's a whole second season of I Love That for you that's written.
You know, Sudie Green Gabe leadman, so many of our friends wrote on the second season of the show, and they were so excited about it, and it looked like it was going to get picked up and then it to strike. It wasn't everything going on in our industry blah blah blah. So it's just like, I don't know
where it stands right now. But Vanessa was like, we're all going to get together and just read the first two episodes of season two, the whole cast was there and they donated the money to charity and it was really fun. Kristin Johnston came in and played like a guest part that is maybe the funniest person.
Alive, Like what a boka on stage?
She is holy fuck, and like when I heard she was coming, I was like, you gotta be kidding me. I'm like, if there was like a missing element from our show. Oh, that was so it and like it was so much fun when I tell you, like the cast crushed, because the writers crushed, like great audience. Everyone there loved the show and everyone involved in the show loves doing the show. So you never say never. It's one of those things. I was really excited about what
my character was doing and like what everyone's doing. But it's just one of those things, you know, how it is. Yeah, I will say, like it's frustrating, Like the whole business is frustrating right now.
The whole landscape is pretty rotten right now. It's true, it's pretty bleak, and I think an indicator of that is what this show means to people. And yet how it kind of it's living in this purgatory right now that it shouldn't be in at all.
Well, this is my theory about it all. So I feel like people didn't really see it on showtime because it was a very crowded time, Like do you remember. It's so funny to think of a time when there was like so much shit coming out, but it was like two years ago. It was like for some reason, from like March to May, like every show came out. Yeah, like, and we were part of that way. Remember we came
out in like April or something. I think it was like there was an influx of things that came out before the Emmy's deadline, and I think we kind of got lost in that because you know, just to put it bluntly, like not everyone has showtime, it can be difficult to find, et cetera. And so it kind of got lost. And then it was like frustrating because I felt like in the months since it was out, people were finding it yeah, and they were like, oh my god, we just watched I love that for you, we love it.
We binged it. I actually think it would have been a better binge show than it was like a week two weeks show.
Great.
There was just so many things about it, like calls about it made that Obviously I have nothing to do with that. I think could have, you know, helped it. But at the end of the day, like it's so good and I just think, if anything, it should be somewhere for people to find it. And that shitty thing happened, which is that Showtime and I guess now Paramount Plus with Showtime or whatever the fuck it is took it down or you know, the big big big bosses. I guess,
like did that text break thing about it? And now you can't even see it unless you buy it on iTunes, which I recommend everyone do. And I just hope the show gets put somewhere where people can find it, because if people can find it, they're gonna like it.
Right well, guess what I'm doing right now. I am buying season one. You are I am going on my Apple TV and you.
It's just such a funny show, you guys. It's Vanessa Bayer and Jennifer Lewis a great cast. I mean, like it's just so funny, like and I'll tell you this second season that we were reading yesterday was even funnier and like more compelling than the first season because they found a really interesting way to settle into the workplace dynamic of it all. For people that don't know the show, it's like Vanessa Bayer plays this girl who all she's ever wanted was to work at the home shopping network.
When she was little, she had cancer, which is based on a true story from Vanessa's life, and she survived it by watching, like, you know, a home shopping network. And she gets old enough to audition for it, gets the job, and then fucks it up, and in order to keep her job and like prove to them she has like an on air hook and that she's a star and has star quality, she lies and so she's battling cancer now, so then she now she has to like keep this lie up.
Kind of like me being gay on SNL.
Exactly like you being gay, Like when did you know that it was time for you to come clean?
I remember in my screen test my wrist kind of got really weak. God, I had a really limp wrist. And it wasn't for a character.
I'm carrying on the prop bag. It was the prop bag.
It was my prop. I had so many props. I had five Duffel bags of props. And you have heavy props too, oh, yeah, they're all kettlebells.
Yeah.
I have kettlebell barista, and then I also have kettlebell Korean person, yell, Chinese person.
Yeah.
So it was all my characters are very kettlebell based. And so I just lugged all of those bags onto the stage during my screen test and my risk got weak.
Yeah.
And then Lauren Michael's in the Shadows go flying.
Yeah, and that Lauren laugh Yeah, and he was it was clear to you that he what he thought was so funny was that you were a big gig.
G I think flipped yes, something flipped er. I was like, I guess I gotta be a fucking.
Queer lean in like our fore mother Cheryl Samberg.
Cheryl Sandberg. Now, I'm sorry I interrupted you talking about your a musician.
I was kind of done. Watch I love that for you, however you can and if you love the show, stay in line, stay and like.
Can I just quickly say something like Kristin Johnson.
Yeah, please, Oh, let's talk about.
Our formative comedy moment in the Spy who Shagged Me?
Oh, I forget it.
Ivan a hump a lot was one of my first formative movie cry laughs. I was like Oh my god, that's the Ivana hump a lot was the funniest thing I'd ever seen or heard in my life up until that point.
The keen intellect to play that.
Line make love to me, power it.
Lector powers me. And my cousin Michael, who I have referenced on this podcast, we were like little boys together, like watching this movie. We also saw me and girls together. That was our shit. I want a humple out was our Ivana avenge to get the clap up. In nineteen sixty four, Oh, just.
Talking to our good friend Cameron Sheets, who was a queerity down Judy. Wait, would you say?
I said, Judy, whenever you say a gay guy, we both know I'm gonna say, Judy.
I'm just deciding it right now, Joe Kim Booster Judy. He was asking me, I'm promoting Hot White High season two on Audible. He goes, what makes a good sequel? I said, oh, I don't know well, and then we were talking about like what good sequels were, and then his example, his formative example was Austin Powers and the
Spy who Shagny. That is like an actually great sequel, that is that is aware of like the already self referential first like original story, but also then kind of like plays with it in such a funny one.
I mean, god, I love that movie so much. That's an interesting topic. What makes a really amazing sequel? Like what are the rubrics? Like, what are the benchmarks of a great sequel? I guess you want it to feel familiar, yeah, but also like we're seeing the characters challenged in a new way, and like I guess new environments make a good sequel.
With Charlie's Angel's full throt all. That was just on the other day. Actually, Camp Classic. I hope everyone realizes now that it's camp Oh totally.
I think people get it.
Like these women swing from string lights all the way from Hollywood to a warehouse in downtown LA in a matter of minutes.
Yeah, they do.
In a car chase scene they go from Hollywood Boulevard two DT LA. Hell, yeah, lay as Camp Classic.
I mean the other day I had it on for like a second, and it was the scene where they are like down at the beach and they're like surfing, and it's like to me, Moore like first comes in and she like runs over with her surfboard and.
To surf a Girl by the Beach Boys.
Yeah, yeah, just all the choices are so it's almost like a cartoon.
Yeah, it's so good.
I think that people did not and then I remember the reviews were like, h we don't know, like it was bizarre, like it seemed like people got the first Charlie's Angels and then willfully didn't get the second one, as if it was anything different. It's like, right, it was just literally like a sequel version of the first one. They gave you more of what you had and also they plussed it with DEMI I guess that's what it is, right, Like a sequel should just be plussed in a way.
But then people don't like that. An audience kind of like sneers at that idea, even though that is what you want. I think people's expectations if sequels are a little bit all over the place, and that's why, like there is this disagreement on what makes a good one.
Yeah, I think that's probably true.
But that's my first example.
Yeah, I would agree. I mean, I guess if I had like a favorite sequel of all time, well, the Austin Powers movies are interesting because like all three of those I think are like identifiable in their own way. And maybe this is just me being a gay person and I, by the way, I'm for real gay, like so.
Am I okay, okay, anyways, we can't get into this. Are you about to say gold Members your favorite?
Well, I'm saying that, like the thing about the Austin Power trilogy is that they're also identifiable. And I think me because I'm a gay person, the thing that does that for me is like Austin's Girlfriend.
Yes, yeah, like.
Elizabeth Hurley, Phaogram and Beyonce, Like those three couldn't Those are so indicative of what all those movies are and they bring their own like flavor to it and aesthetic to it to the point where like you know, you think of Powers, but then he has context because of all these different women and then therefore these different like vibes.
If you would, you know, Beyonce and Goldmember is so good.
Producer Becca says Beyonce's acting era was so special. I love Goldmember. I don't think you're alone there, Becca, I think that we might not. We may not have seen the end of Beyonce's acting era. Yeah, I think this past tense is not quite right. I hope I pray, and I hope there's something about it that makes me feel like she at some point may realize if she actually applies herself to whatever she wants, she can conquer it orle domination. And it really just depends with Beyonce.
I think on what she wants, like if she wants to become an incredible actress and then devote herself to that like she could. I don't put anything past her. I think she's capable of whatever.
I mean. The Verizon commercial is something that she did not have to do. It was in her top five best performances. I think she was giving like grounded comedy.
Dare I say she was holding her own with Emmy Award winner Tony Hale one of the greats.
He is one of the greats.
There's no question.
There's just no question. We're not being facetious here.
Can I say thank God for us because Pitsey what we're doing today character actors to the front. Yeah, we are saying Tony Hale, we are saying Kristin Johnson, we are saying Beyonce Knowles, the three character actors of our generation, and thank God on my birthday.
A character actor. You think you're a character actor.
I don't think I'm a leading man.
I think you're a leading man material Sir.
Girl, you're just too kind, you're the leading man. No, girl, I've been thinking about you a lot lately because I've been trying to think of fun things for us to do in different environments.
Oh interesting, funny you should say that. Well more later maybe.
Wait, So I do want to know about the Sydney Sweenie of it all, I really do.
What was she like?
But we're vibes. We're of course talking about these little bits and jokes were doing because Bowen is gay. You guys like, of course we would not lie to you about that. At least I wouldn't be part of all. I like that, you know what I mean?
No, No, I wouldn't. I would never broke you into that kind of lie.
Right like, you know, I could be the robinsoner Giselle in many ways, but not for this.
Oh no, do not call me Giselle. I am not anywhere near that kind of demonic. She is a sucky beast. I'm so sorry. There is hell in her soul. Okay, sorry, keep.
Going, Okay, Well, before we get into the Sidney Screenie of it all, so Potomac is like ending now, like it's like wrapping up. And Andy Cohn was on Kelly Clarkson with Wendy and Canvas.
I watched that.
It was delightful, and you know that had to chop the Green Eyed Bandits's ass because they were so charming. They were like Candace and Wendy were so great on the show, and I was just like, you know what, like maybe this is a sign this is the way forward.
Though, I mean, like they are enough without those women to just like hold it down charm an audience. Candace had a lovely sense of humor about her social media presence. Yeah, Wendy was so lovely. Wendy was just being charming but also very honest about her upbringing, like in the way that she always is. I loved it. I root for those women all the time, as well as Karen.
They were adorable. They were great. And guess who also was on? So it was like Andy was on Kelly and then he brought out Wendy and Candace and then tickle me till I laugh. Yesterday, I'm on YouTube and I see Karen Huger on Kelly Clarkson, and it was just Karen she came out, she sat right next to
Kelly and make key keid. It's just so funny whenever like NBC Universal makes Kelly have a housewife on because you can tell she just doesn't there's no idea who it's not her thing, no problem whatever, But it's so funny because Karen was talking like everyone in the audience was a super fan of Potomac. Karen was like, well, you all know my kids are grown now, and you know they're thirty six and twenty six and you know Raven, and Kelly is just sitting there like.
I might be to blame for this.
Yeah, Like it's just so funny, Like whenever Kelly, like you can just tell when she like is really really really a huge fan of something, and when she has no idea because she goes like this, when she's actually into something, she can barely contain herself and like launches into it and like doesn't ask like how are you, She's like, I want to talk about this, Dada. Yes.
And then when she doesn't.
Know what the person is there for or who they are, she'll say to Karen Hugre like, so I heard you grew up on a farm. That's so cool. Tell me about that.
Listen, I would not be able to do that job. It's hard. Can we just give some credit? It's a very difficult, Like how do these people? People rattle off the segment producers notes, Okay, next you're gonna bring up the farm, and then you're gonna bring up the trip to blah blah blah. I'm like, yeah, you can't hold all this at once.
And also, like I think about like the amount of things they probably are sent to watch, you know what I mean, Like we do this show once a week and barely have guests anymore, but.
Like we still get sense stuff.
Well yeah, but like one of the things that like I think keeps us from having so many guests is like you want to do right by them, and like we always read the book We're Sonny houstin Coden, but it gets to be a lot even once, so we can you imagine every day. And also some of those shows get shot like two times a day. You know, that's like a lot of media to consume.
What we're saying is TV hosts are heroes and they should be awarded medals by the military, which is the best organization in the world.
They should win the Military Award for Excellence, Military Award for Excellence, and TV.
New category to draw the Culture Wards Military Award for in TV. Now, stay tuned, we have some more information about the Culture Awards this year. Yes, we do very excited.
We do. Let's just say, rain, rain, go away, come again another day.
Let's just say we won't have to worry about a thunderstorm morning in New Jersey that would potentially shut down our show.
Did we spill the tea about that at the time. I think we did.
I think we did. Yeah, we almost didn't do Culture Awards last year because of a thunderstorm in New Jersey, which is not in Manhattan. But also I guess it's close enough. People were doing their jobs, people were keeping people safe. We're not begrudging them with that.
No, it was it was all above board in terms of them being like, hey, we have to go inside because if lightning strikes the stage, like y'all are fried to a damn crisp, you're gonna be two.
Gay piles of dust, period.
Gay piles of dust.
Gay piles of dust title.
But what was funny was we were in the middle of rehearsing Eighth World Wonder like the Seven Days and seven nights. Then they're like the inside you're gonna get hurt by lightning, and we're like, oh my god, seriously, day like the spirits of Kimberly lock like rumbling in.
The sky is like, whoa Kimberly.
We think.
I think Kimberly saved us that day.
She did? She did. I think the gods knew that Eighth World Wonder needed its renaissance period.
But then what do you make of the Karen and Wendy and Candice on Kelly thing? Does that mean they're gonna bring I think Gizelle and Robin are probably yelling at someone now at their teams to get them home.
I'm just gonna say the tea that I heard, Okay, this is the tea that I heard. I'm not gonna say how I heard it. Okay, I heard there was no resolution at the reunion and there needed to be That's what I heard. I heard that there is no forward movement for the factions that needed to come together, and therefore something has to happen. That's that's the tea that I heard.
Right, and so in that when I hear that, I go, well, then someone is misunderstanding what it means to be on a show, on the show, on a conflict driven show like The Housewives, where you do have to sort of turn those over.
You cannot stay in it too long or it just got too fucking ugly, you know what I mean.
Like because it was ugly to begin with, because these are we're dealing with ugly people. On one side.
Here's what I'll say, even if I'm on a television show, I don't know if I go out of my way to forgive someone who's so recklessly And this is both on the part of Wendy and Candice because they both
face this by Giselle and co. But anyone who so recklessly tried to not just like come for but like irrevocably damage my husband or mother in the case of like Wendy, like, I don't know that I just for a show forgive them, whereas I don't think when you flip it around to the other side of the things that have been said about like Giselle and Robin like are as imaging and bad. But what Giselle is doing now is she's trying to play it like she's been wronged in an equal way and that's incorrect.
No fucking way. Oh god, I really really hate that woman. I don't apply it to a lot of people. I don't hate people that I come into conflict with.
M M. You just couldn't be bothered.
I couldn't be bothered, and I honestly do try to like make I do what every housewives should do, which is to try to find resolution. Period.
Oh yeah, you know. I mean while we're I guess we kind of can't really talk. Can we talk about the drama? There's been a lot of drama.
Can you I know about the brand new stuff? I honestly, I was asked. I was honestly asked about this yesterday in press about the least Stuff, and I was like, this is the God's honest truth. I was like, I did not read the post. I don't exactly know what's going on with the Least Stuff to have an opinion on it.
There's like a series of lawsuits right now against Bravo and like all these production companies and even Andy himself, basically coming from all different kinds of places. There's like a legal situation with Liam McSweeney. There's a legal situation with Brandy Glanville, there's a legal situation with Caroline Manzo. There's now a lawsuit from Rachel Levis against Tom Sandoval and Arian Maddox for revenge porn and like distribution of
revenge porn. There's also, obviously, like the Bethany Frankel reality reckoning of it all, there was the dropped lawsuit from Nini Leaks that allege racial discrimination. There's a lot yeah going on. And what I'll say is that any single time, and I'll speak for myself, any single time I have been on Watch What Happens Live involved in anything with any of these companies, like when you go and watch It Happens Live. Like there's obviously alcohol, right, that's like
part of it. You are asked every time if you want to drink, if you'd like another drink, you say yes or no. They're not like, oh, it's better if you drink. They never say that. They never make it seem like you have to do anything. We're friends with Andy personally, I have never ever ever been offering anything like drugs, Like it's getting crazy to me. And a lot of hearsay like her alleging that Liam McSweeney alleges that Andy Cohen offers cocaine to housewives and then yeah,
gives them a better edit if they do it. That doesn't make any sense to me.
Yeah, I don't know, And I will say for myself the Brandy thing, I'm like reading the details and it seems like it seems really weird in illegal context. How much that holds water? Yeah, because from what I understand, Brandy is saying that this is sexual harassment that Andy was like jokingly on a FaceTime with her with Kate Kchestain.
Yeah, k chesting, what is it like being like I think what they're saying is that I guess Andy and Kate Chastain either facetimed Brandy or send her a message. And Andy said in the message like Kate and I are having sex tonight and we'll be thinking of you. It's something like that, like some sort of like joke that yes, obviously a boss should not make to his employees.
Certainly right, And.
I guess like it is a little bit of like a looser atmosphere because he does play a certain and interesting role in that he is like administrative but also like of the people in a way. That's like why they love Andy, like, you know, he is among them, right, But at a certain point, it's like, when are we leaning into just things we've had in the past in order to move anything forward and what is actually harmful here?
And let me also say, I don't want any of these women to be in situations where they feel uncomfortable, this low, where they feel uncomfortable, where they feel pressured, et cetera. And I don't know the situations that happen, but it's true what you're saying, Like when you read like what is actually in these lawsuits, I'm actually I'm struggling to see how like he is responsible for it or like how But I guess these facts will come out if there are facts, you know what I mean?
Sure, sure, But Brandy is an interesting case, not even interesting. It's like she's on camera like yeah, sexually, being a little bit troublesome with her co stars.
You know.
It's like there's documented I mean, like there's a case against her for being very inappropriate with her coworkers, who have not taken legal action against her. Yeah, the power dynamic is different. They're obviously because she's not anyone's boss in these situations. And Andy is also I don't know personally and I have no legal knowledge or experience in this at all, so this is completely disqualifying for me to even have an opinion on this. But like it's Brandy.
It's like, this is someone who is retaliatory and manipulative, and obviously she has her dignity, she's entitled to that dignity, but she is also someone who doesn't care about other people's in a lot of ways.
Well, I feel like what's happening now, actually is everyone on the cast of this Ultimate Girl's Trip show that got shelved because they've shot a whole season in Morocco, right with like Caroline Manzeou, Brandy Glenville, phaedra Is on it, Alex McCord, Camille Grammer, like Gretchen ROSSI like, it's like they kind of got the greats for this Morocco Girls Trip and now they're not showing it because allegedly something happened in a bathroom where Caroline Manziel felt sexually violated
and harassed by Brandy Brandy, But Caroline is not suing her, She's suing Bravo Peacock. I think, like all these administrative executive level because she's saying that what they do is they encourage sexual harassment and abuse for ratings, which to me is like such a big thing to say, and like how do you prove that? But I will also say four or five lawsuits is too fucking many. Yeah, and that makes me feel like either there's a problem for sure, or this is like orchestrated in a larger
way and is like more nefarious. And I do I think to myself all the time, like are you trying to protect this thing in your head because it's something you enjoy, in which case, like get over yourself, check yourself, Like if there's a problem here, like see it. But you know, it's hard to read these allegations and be like at what point does your personal responsibility come in here? Like, at what point are you going to take accountability for I have a problem with alcohol. I know I'm susceptible
to these types of things. I shouldn't put myself in a situation that is not good for me. At what point is that?
Yeah? And the Leah thing is very complicated because of her own sobriety journey, right, that kind of seemed to be compromised as soon as she was on Ronie Right.
Yeah, Well, she claims that she relapsed the week she was called So she relapsed was called for? Ronnie said yes? And then, as we know, if you're a fan of her first season, she was drinking. And I remember what I liked about Leah McSweeney the first season she was on Housewives Is. I liked that she seemed like a different flavor of New Yorker. She seemed like someone who, like said whatever the fuck she wanted to say. She was younger, she seemed like a new generation. I liked
the dichotomy between her and the older cast. Like. I liked that she was in fashion. She was cool, she was gorgeous, she was funny, Like there was a lot about her that I really liked and felt fresh. When I didn't like her was when she acted completely unhinged when she was drunk, because she obviously had a problem. She's out here saying now that she feels that was what was good about her first season, and they held
it against her that she stopped drinking. I would argue that Leo lost me when she went off the door, and I think a lot of people would say the same thing, right.
I mean, we obviously have our biases here as we're talking about this in our experience with the Bravo verse and our experiences at watch, what happens in terms of us being served alcohol is not necessarily I can't be too same reflective of what these women go through, right, I am thinking, like I do kind of think there's something orchestrated about this on like a higher level, where like maybe a Bethany is like that's when I think, so setting this into motion.
Personally, there's something weird about it because it's coming on the heels of like the reality reckoning kind of flopping because they she kind of had nothing, whereas like now there's actually there's like real course of action, it's going
to be followed. What I'll say ultimately is that all these lawsuits kind of drown each other out, but ultimately it's it all ends up in something that's like not a good look of course, and therefore like it needs to be looked at, It needs to be like figured out, because you just don't want people feeling like this, And if people feel like this and it's not in bad faith, then there's an issue. But like I just want to be able to watch these shows and know that everyone's
safe doing it. But then again, it is reality TV, and that is also a thing. It's like, can you trust someone like Rachel Levis to put herself in a safe situation? I don't know, Like she may not know what that is, and therefore it's like it does feel
a little ugly. And one thing I'll say is I was watching the Beverly Hills reunion last week week and Anna Marie, who I didn't love on the show, but was sitting there and she was talking about how, as a result of being on the show, it was the worst hardest year of her life, and you know, so many things happened, and she felt like really depleted and looked broken, and he asked about the online reaction to her, and something about the way that she energetically was at
that reunion based around like the online harassment she had faced made me feel like something's wrong here, something doesn't feel right. Yeah, Like I felt really sad, and I was like, oh, am, I gonna have to take a little bit of a break from this stuff. Because I also saw what you posted yesterday on your story and that made me think too about how when you talk about that.
I posted a real from podcast to Luxe Wonderful Podcast. John Karamonica was talking about how like he is not really okay with TikTok anymore because it's like to be served an endless scroll of things that the algorithm things you like, is like soul deadening. It's like it's not actually giving you the grist, I guess or whatever, there's a better word. It's not giving you the material you need to be consuming in order to be a human being.
Like it's it kills a part of you to only see things constantly over and over again that like are meant to be for you and yet sometimes aren't and sometimes they're upsetting and sometimes that's I mean, like that's just like social media rit small I guess is like this idea that it is. I mean, all these apps that we're using now this is not exactly what you're talking about with Housewives and Bravo, but it's like everything we're being served now is like it's like we're at
the shopping mall. It's like yeah, and a lot of people who our creators do come off as like QVC people speaking of I Love that for you like come off as like infomercially and like you kind of have to rethink this whole thing of like, oh, I am just it's like Sudie Green telling you in college, like look at the PEPs look at the coke cans or whatever. It's yeah, but it's like now the pepsi cans are like right in our faces. You know, they're being shoved
in our faces. And that's how like transparent it's gotten.
I think what makes it hard to see is that the pepsi cans are always in your faces, and sometimes they change and sometimes it's it's just hard to look at your environment and be like wait, hold on. And I think like it was during that Beverly Hills reunion that I was just like, hold on, am I desensitized a little bit because I keep watching these shows and I'm so used to conflict. That's like white noise for me in the background?
Yeah?
Yeah, I'm like, would I even be able to see it if something was wrong? And I was sitting there watching her and I was like, again, like I wasn't a huge fan of her performance on the first season, but I'm watching it and I'm just like, am I in this atmosphere too much at this point? Like is it a little oversaturated? Like did we fly too close to the sun with this for now, and so I might just.
Like take a little bit of a brushure, which is health.
Even listening to myself talk right now, I'm like hearing myself say like you know, like you know, we don't want these women to be in dangerous positions, but also like I don't want to get like what did they expect like that that's great?
No, no, no, we're not saying that. And us even talking about this is a little is not us like questioning like anything about what legal action they're taking. We're just saying that, like this is a really this is a hugely entangled situation that has a lot going on and has people's humanity and dignity like ripped into it. And like are these kinds of shows Like I think knowingly, I think we all understand that these shows kind of
exploit that on the right level. And that's not like us like defying whatever the mission of these shows are. I think that is just kind of worked into like reality TV as a whole, as a collective, Like even if you go on Survivor or on The Traders, there's there's a dignity that is that is a little bit at toll there.
Absolutely, I mean if someone were to say something crazy about you and it was damaging but could also be used as story. Like they would do that because you've allowed them to do that. You've willfully signed up for that, which is why, like you wouldn't do a show like that because like, for example, like let's just say Bowen and I actually were reached out to about the traders, Like, would it be in our best interest to say, yes, here are our images, do with them what you want. Huh, No,
it wouldn't be in our best interest. But for some people they make a different decision.
Like I've even had pretty brain scrambling experience is working at my job where I am like presenting a version of myself to people to be evaluated and to be like commented on, and like I roll at this, but like I'm really lucky and proud and happy that Bowen Straight got made as a way of sort of like winking at the audience and as a way of kind of like making light of this, like this really confounding thing that I think people have with me being a gay man, like them kind of ascribing it as like
a character choice that like it's all I can do, and I'm like, no, you guys don't get it. Like, I don't think there's such a thing as like a gay humor. I don't think there's Like I don't think gay humor is specific to queer people or queer human specific queer people. It should be if it's good, it should be for everybody. But I think in terms of subject matter, I love writing about queer things, and I
like writing about sexuality. I like writing about finding the different ways in, Like it's Truman Capoti being a gay man who hates women talking about women, or it's me being straight, or it's me being like a Pops star Iceberg. Whatever.
It's like there are all these different ways in, and yet people still create a dimensionless point out of that and go, well, that's just like a bad part of who he is, And like that is something that like is completely soul crushing in its own way if you're any version of yourself on a TV show or like putting out yourself out there from mass consumption, and like these women experience it on such a weird distorted scale, Like anytime we go and watch what happens, we're all
like WHOA, Like, yeah, the people who like talk about us are some real fucking weirdos. I'm sorry to say, some weird fucking people are out there and we just deal with them like once every few months. These are people who do with them every day, every week, right, And I can't imagine what that does to their psyche and or how that informs their relationship with the network or with the shows that they're on, with their jobs,
with their life. I mean, like what I said yesterday and Press was like all I can say is like, let's not forget that this is people's jobs and this kind of like is in the air for them. So I don't really know exactly what's happening with everybody, but it seems like let's just remember that as we talk about it. Anyway, That was kind of a good job out answer.
But I will say I do feel that if Andy Cohen were to offer two people cocaine, it would be us, and he hasn't. I was thinking about it, how I'm like, we have such a blast at that show, like whenever we're on it feels like family vibes like, and then I just feel like, who's the offering cocaine to if not us? Right? Right? Right? You know what I mean?
Yeah, Well, hell drum. Also, if you've been offered cocaine. Oh, but Lias saying like she's been offered cocaine and.
This doesn't make any sense.
Well, Lias saying that she's been offered cocaine and that if she doesn't accept then she gets worse.
Edit on the show. That is can I say I like Leah. I've talked to her a couple of times personally. I actually like her a lot more in my personal interactions with her than I ever really did on the show. So I don't think that could possibly make sense at all to think. So what if we're walking this through
this is the I guess premise here. Andy Cohen loves cocaine so much, you're saying, and needs people around him that are his subordinates to also like cocaine so much that if they don't, he actively punishes them, despite the fact that maybe that won't produce the best show. That doesn't make any sense to me. I also don't think he is editing the show. He's not contacting the editors and being like, hey, listen, we need so and so to get a bad edit. Oh, why well, they didn't
do coke with me. That doesn't make any sense. Andy Cohen is the kind of person. He's wealthy enough, he's connected enough, he can get coke, he can find people to do coke with. He doesn't need your housewives to be doing cocaine with him, and he's not gonna punish you for not doing it. I don't think this is a thing. It just doesn't actually make sense.
Understand the idea that, like, she feels that cocaine is very much in the culture of these shows on a sort of behind the scenes level, but like, I don't know, it.
Calls back to that Kathy Griffin thing, because remember she was like, oh, one time he asked me to do coke before a show, and I was so taken aback, and it was like so that it feels like it's been said once before, but it almost feels like because it was said that one time, it's being thrown out there again as like an additive thing to throw on the pile of like toxic workplace atmosphere. Right, But again, like when you actually think it through logically, that doesn't
make sense. Yeah, and cocaine is everywhere.
Everyone take a break from cocaine for a little bit too, Well, Yeah, let's just nobody do it. How about that.
Let's tell me it's not about drag race. So you like, what do I like?
Yeahe No, I think I've gone on record saying I'm pretty anti Plain Jane. I'm sorry.
I like Plain Jane as a drag queen. It's just all the other stuff. I'm like, girl, relaxed.
Lovely drag queen, very capable drag queen. Relax, just relax And actually you're just being mean and not even like this is not the right word, and I hate the name using this word. You're not being witty, which is to say that, like, you're not being fun about it. She thinks she is, and I think that that's all coming from an insecurity that she's expressed that she has which join the fucking club of humanity. Like, yeah, I might do my own think some honey on people saying
they're insecure and feeling that is unique, like we're all insecure. Yeah, I don't care.
Yeah, sorry, I was a vicious evil person. I'm just insecure. Sorry.
I was a vicious evil person who like diminished your humanity because I experienced something universal that doesn't give you a way out anyway. I mean, the Boston thing the Russian thing. I know Katia is not Russian, but like it's just I'm sorry, like I can't. It's only giving an echo of Katya to me, and she is one of our greatest ever, our greatest period e ever. I don't think that Snatch game performance was that, although I guess it was the best out of all of them.
That was a pretty rough Snatch game, I will.
Say, yeah, I don't think it was one of the shining Snatch games.
And we're saying this as people who are at this point, we are aware every season going into Snatch Game, the expectations are not high. Yeah, because that's what Snatch game does is it makes it gets you all excited to like, but it's I mean, not all of them can be like All Star seven like where that was just like across the board, everyone being amazing.
We've also seen how the sausage is made now and it's like interesting to see how Snatch game shakes out, and it's fucking hard. It's so hard, and especially if that's not what your thing is, I don't know that I could do it, like, and it feels like that these girls like that's not really their thing. Like everyone's like Oh, I can't believe a third design challenge. It's like, did you want a third performance challenge? Is that what
you wanted? Like, based on what we have seen, right, did you want another performance or active challenge or whatever it is? Like, I think it's good. They're obviously leaning into like what these girls are good at, and we saw Plasma like whin all these performance challenges and do great, Like I feel like we've seen the excellence in terms
of performance. I think we've seen and now it's like, you know, we're looking at what we have here and it's like, I think the more compelling challenges will be designed and fashion challenges because of these girls.
Interesting. I said to you yesterday on Instagram or the other day two days ago on our live that Plasma I think should be so proud. She Yeah, turned it out. She showcased what she is amazing at and she is amazing at it, which is all the performance stuff. Gave like a fresh, updated version of like what a vintage queen quote unquote is like, was giving you drinks kind of in an updated way.
Yeah.
I really enjoyed her. Best of luckt her she will be fine.
Yeah, she was definitely in the bottom two and lost the lips in for sure. Yeah, I mean, so people being like I can't believe Plasma is out. It's like, guys, like she was for sure in the bottom two and she lost the lipsying. Yes, that's how it works.
I think we were just like conditioned in the edit to think that she was gonna be top four because she was such she was by far the most reliable narrator. They were cutting to her talking head the most.
I think, Yeah, yeah, definitely, definitely, I will say I think that's because there are only a few super compelling narrators, yes, this year. I think she's one of them, and Plain Jane is one of them. And I think Plain and Jane's edit really kind of took over the first third of the season, and so they moved it to Plasma spent a lot of time with her, and now she's gone. So I think we're gonna be seeing a lot more of Plane again because again, these girls are like introspective
fashion girls. Like it's it's it's almost like Season seven in a way, you know what I mean. Like it's like it feels like these people are more creative than they are performative, which is so funny. I want to know what you think about because everyone was talking about how this goth high fashion Goth challenge, the design Challenge. People were like pretty up in arms on a couple
group chats. I was on that Nimphia didn't win that, and I was interested about your take on the Nymphia versus Q of it.
All I think was this Q's second win. I think has Ninfhia already won too. I think that that's just like a production thing where they're like, let's try to make this more even. I liked C's look a lot, like that back detail was great.
I thought it was definitely the Winter hands down.
I thought, so what ces? Yeah, yeah, Now, Q like took down her socials, which I guess is not as much of like a that's insane, but also like I can relate to this, like at a certain point, you just hit, you hit your break and you're just like I don't.
Oh, not that she took it down, that she felt so abused or like exposed that she had to take it.
Down, Like right, right, I've only taken my stuff down. I've only Selena Gomaz when I'm just like oh, I internally it's not because of any external circumstance. It's just that I'm like, I don't want to deal with this.
I don't want to exist out there for you.
Yeah yeah, yeah yeah. And maybe she was going through some of that. I don't know sure.
I mean, whatever anyone feels like they need to do, they should do. But I just feel like when I hear that someone had to do that, I would imagine it's because they're being like toxically abused online, which.
Especially on drag Race, which is another thing of like, oh god, Like when we were on All Stars, it was this like a few days of just like the weirdest fucking people being like up in our shit, and I was like, shut the fuck up, get out of my face. I'm so sick of some of these people.
Most of it was lovely, and most of it always is lotally, and then there is those little things like even.
The other day, like someone got in my DMS and said this long thing that like they were so specifically angry at me for something they had no idea what they were talking about.
And I'm just like, ugh. I was at dinner with a friend. I was with Jared actually, and I was like, oh god, I'm so distracted by this thing, and he's like and he picks up my phone and he's like, this is not real. This doesn't matter.
I was like, yeah, you need to watch Perfect Blue by Satasha Khan tonight.
Well, there's a lot on my list, Honey, I gotta watch Irish Wish, the movie with Lindsay Lohan.
Oh my Lindsay, Oh my Lindsay, Oh my Lindsay. She's back again.
Whenever Lindsay Lohan makes a comeback, I always feel like on top of the world, on.
Top of the world. You know, Lindsay is on my list of This is so annoying of women I stand who have followed and then unfollowed me on Instagram. Really you want to know this list. It's kind of sad. Lindsay Lohan, Natalie Portman. Natalie unfollowed Natalie. I think she did like a big purge, like a deep clean on her follow and I didn't. I didn't make the cut, she said, Yang, but Natalie was.
I'm sorry.
Natalie was a reliable like for me sometimes on Grid really and then she just and then one day I think she was just like, no, no more.
Natalie Portman feels to me like someone we could get on the show and confront about this.
No, I don't want to confront her. I want to leave.
When she follows one hundred and ninety nine people, I know.
I think she did, like take the numbers down. I think she was like in the four digits and then she was like no, no, no, no, no, I'm Natalie Portman. I'm not doing that.
Here's what we both follow Rihanna.
Mm hmm, that's that period end of list.
Like Rihanna, and then I think it's like Drew Barrymore of course. Oh my god. Yeah, she's an exclusive girl. I mean Natalie Horman should be because it Natalie missed your for Christ's sakes, she's podme.
Pod me. Yes, I was gonna correct and say pad ma, but no, you're right. Why what did you correct me and say podma when it's not? When it's not I was gonna say earlier. I mean, best of all time is Empire strikes back, Attack of the Clones, Attack with the Clones. I mean those aliens for Boba fat? Yeah, right, was it Boba boba? Those tall skinny aliens who like introduce some obi wan to Boba fat.
You are talking right now, and I'm ready to do my own't think Sahney, Okay.
This is I don't think so honey, where we take one minute to go off against something in culture that's really chopping our asses. Matt, are you ready? Yeah, this is Matt Rogers. I don't think so many time starts down.
I don't think so, honey. Boba fet You're a fucking bitch. You have no friends. You obviously never went to therapy. You didn't get your fucking stuff together. Because now while you're out here like what I'm working for people doing their dirty work to be a bounty hunter. I hope that you look at your fucking CV, your LinkedIn, you see bounty hunter on it and you feel fucking good
at night. Bitch, you are so lame, what toxic, disgusting life that you live, trolling the galaxy looking space planet to space planet for like what to arrest people doing citizen to arrest on people? You don't even know what these people have done. You have no idea why you want Han Solo. You don't even know why you want him, So why are you ruining lives?
Why are you ruining a young.
Relationship just for someone else's bullshit?
You will work with fifteen seconds.
You work with siths, bitch, I don't think so, honey. You're disgusting. Show your fucking face. How about that for once in your life, Boba Fett, show your face, challenge. You died the way you deserve to die in the belly of the Sarlac. Fuck you, I don't think so, honey.
That's one minute, Boba. I'm sorry, Boba Fett was going after hand solo. I have to correct myself. Django Fett is his father who is in Attack of the Clones, and Django Fett was, yes, was Attack of the Clones. I just had to correct myself. Thank you for that. Impassionate.
Well, I absolutely just read his son the house down. I don't know. I just don't want to see him over fat, like I'm so disgusting.
No, I don't think you have to worry about him. Oh yeah, what do you think about the Mandalorian? He has his helme.
Here's the thing. If Pedro Pascal is going to be the star or something, I want to see that face.
I want to see the face. I want to see the bridge of that nose.
Like, I can't believe my guy is so covered up in the show. When you realize what exactly is happening underneath the mask perfection. Clark Gable, I almost just said something really graphic about what I would like to do with Pedro Pascal and we have to move up. Okay, I was getting horny on my birthday.
I guess we're gonna have to fight. It's about to be what a girl fight.
Gay fight?
Gay fight?
Should the title of episode be gay fight? One word gay fight?
No?
We should.
We should come out with a song called gay fight sequel to Altercation? Oh, about to be an altercations to fight with every It's kind of Rianna coated, sort of.
But I do think the title of episode now is gay fight, gay fight. Okay, I don't think so, honey, to do I did.
I think I'm just gonna follow through on what I said earlier because this is really this kind of this pisses me off the shit fuck all.
Right, this is bull nangus. I don't think so honey.
As time starts now, I don't think so honey. Oh I'm insecure, and that's why I did a bad thing. We're all insecure. No one is not insecure. Maybe your grandmother, who fucking survived a terrible societal trauma from decades ago and has had to be so resilient that she has no time to think about like where she fits into society. But even and especially the fucking fitness people who are like getting fucked every which way every day of the week,
who go, well, I'm toxic. I'm not saying all fitness people are toxic, but I'm saying the ones who are, like who happened to be like rotten packages are like, oh, but I'm insecure. I'm actually insecure. Yeah, I know that, hun. That is the human condition. Baby ree is universal as well. I've just experienced it on different scales and different levels in different forms.
Don't use that.
As a way to act out and act unwrite.
And that's one minute.
It's true.
It's I'm insecure. Is not like a big reveal, no, like like I'm so sorry. The reason why I did that actually is because I'm insecure.
Is like, it doesn't give me, it doesn't give you an extra access. So that's why when someone like plain Jane is like, I'm actually really insecure, I'm like, well, I don't fucking care. Stop being a fucking cunt. In the words of the Manderastori, meeting.
My thing is like too. It's like when someone's like I'm really insecure, I feel like that's because they're like taking advantage of like a coddle culture and like an awareness of mental health culture, which is really necessary. But then they're just like but then they're the thing to that and exploiting that to like get away with really shitty, toxic, harmful behavior because they think they can say this thing that is now universal. It's like you get out of jail free card.
Oh but mental illness like oh yes, yeah, people are actually mentally ill, right, and you might be as well on some level, but we have to figure out what is acceptable.
What if Plane J was like I'm really sorry, I've been so mean.
I'm incredibly mentally ill, then you should not be on this television show. I also bet that, like, well, again, there's the editing of it all, which like blame it on the edit, but like that is also a thing.
It's like, plain no, I'm saying like forever anyone that's on reality TV. It's like yeah, yeah, yeah, yes, it's an excuse, sure, but it's also real. I mean, like you are being edited into a caricature of yourself to suit a narrative purpose, like that is true, Like I can't imagine, Like I actually would wonder like these villains on these shows, like do they sit back and they are like, Wow, look at me. I'm a really effective function on this show. Or is it I fucking hate myself.
I can't believe this or is it kind of both?
I don't know. That's why, like the Tiffany Pollit's of the world are really special because like, not once was she like I'm sorry, I'm such a bitch.
I am I'm secure.
She owned it. She's owned it every single moment she's been on camera.
Ye, and I'm incredibly secure period, too secure, too secure.
The only person who broke Tiffany Pollard was Rain on season one A Flavor of Love, who freaked out her in the van, and you should go back and watch that episode because it is incredible. And Rain was the one in the back of the van who was like, I'm singing.
Your shit, I'm sick of your shit.
And then New York starts crying because like she doesn't know why this girl is freaking out at her, but it's because she's been me.
Yeah, taste of her own medicine. Well, that's I guess how you ultimately like deal with someone who's emma is chaos is you just bring more chaos.
You just bring more chaos a moment, Yeah, and then you pull back because you cannot actually stay at their level and their frequency, because then you go crazy.
Actually the definition of chaos right, going all the way and then taking all that like, that's chaotic, you know what I mean, Like having an explosive moment and then being like, I don't mind like.
That I'm saying as a way to manage someone else's chaos, don't don't.
Don't you're calling me chaotic? Do I think you're chaotic?
Hmm, I don't know that. You want to don't go down this path. I would say I'm more chaotic than you. Absolutely, you really were confident about that. And that's why we love you. And that's why I love you so much. I'm so happy that you are in all of our lives. We are so lucky to know you and to love you. Happy birthday, my Queen.
Can I get a birthday wish? Yes? I want you to sing me my favorite song. As the end of every episode with a song, I want you to sing me my favorite song. And I just for once get the setback and enjoy the singing. Am I supposed to know what your favorite song is?
Yeah? I don't you have so many? What is it?
Boone? What's my favorite song?
I don't know? What is this?
Single? Okay?
I'm picking out this dress on me shoe. You can be single suit, me single suit.
I'll be a messa, break the news.
Single suit.
This is my favorite part. Here we go.
I'm gonna do one.
About one.
I'm gonna do it.
Wa do.
To hear more of that song? Was this singles scene?
So good?
Mo?
Thank you hav to me?
Have you read that? Mm hmm