"Gay Ne Sais Quoi" (w/ Janeane Garofalo)

going to be in Dumbo, is what Matt's trying to say. Right. But as you guys know, I don't know my words, but I do know my heart and I hope that you're listening on the day of release. And I have a feeling people are going to be excited about this episode, of course, and if you are, I'm going to say, what is it? Probably noon? Sure, If you're listening at noon on the day of release, we will probably if our fast pass is followed, Yes, just be getting off

Space Mountain. Absolutely, We're doing a noon Space Mountain because that's the time to do it. If I'm correct about my itinerary that I created a shore sure, and I think I am, because I do invest a lot of energy, and you are fastidious in your planning for Disney World. But and is of course pulling the word fastidious from a recent audition breakdown that we both got and they were trying to say gay without saying gay, so they

said festid. They're weaponizing the word against us, right right, you know what, why not throw it back and take back the power? Absolutely, we're too fastidious boys, or in our lando perhaps currently depending on when you're listening exactly, Well, you guys were sitting a great time, having a great time. Uh And for those of you who are joining us on Patreon, thank you so much. We're having a blast on there so far, so please keep tuning in, maybe

through five dollars our away, five bucks. It's nothing. It's a Lotte, which everyone says, right like, that's the price point. It's a coffee if you tip, if you tip, that's the rule. I spent four seventy on a coffee, but not too much anyway, you know what we're talking about. Okay, good, good, great, great, We have really a truly incredible guest. Don't jump around it, icon icon you know what, And here's the thing. You

shake your head and get bashful but you are. And I have a question that's just a rephreezing of what a friend of the show, John Early asked her one time at the I like coalition um at an ally coalition event. But you know, we'll get into this, we'll get into that question. I mean they come rolling down as we say, reality bites, which Wikipedia says solidified her as an icon of generation at Wikipedia quoted someone else's a secondary source. Okay, so this is something to get

into here. What the hell do you? I don't even know what our generations. I know millennial, but it seems broad. I don't know. All I know is the Spice Girls did a pepsi ad and they said generation next, and even with them, that was very unclear who they were talking when we're in that window anyway. What Hot American Summer Baby, both the movie and both series on Netflix.

Romeo Michell's High School re Union perhaps my favorite mystery men, and you haven't seen mystery around which I just man, well, thanks for outing me right in front of her. But listen, we can all see everything. But you should have seen Mr Um, the Larry Sanders Show, that Ben still a show, The West Wing, and twenty four, which I have to get into it with her about twenty four. All right, everyone, please it's time. He's just stand up and I come.

As we said, please welcome, Oh, thank you, thank you for having me. First, I'm not gen X, which I am the tail end of the baby boomers. I was playing, uh gen X. I was twenty nine at the time, playing at twenty year old. The rest of the cast was one was firmly a gen X, but I actually was twenty nine. So what's the retention between Reppers being the post or child for this, you know generation, and I don't think I am the poster child for that

generation at the time in the nineties. I guess I was lumped in with that, but I always tried to say, I I'm much older than I mean, I can't. I can't, I can't take that mantle. But um, I guess if there's a poster person for it would be when knowna she I think probably is the poster child of that. And you know, we recently have seen all these commercials about the comeback. Have you seen these perfume commercials? I

saw it once. Yeah, it was pretty amazing that like it was this it's this commercial that's like once in a generation. It's like this kind of like comeback centric perfume Matt and then you see it's Winona and I actually I didn't know who was going to be. It looked like Natalie Portman from the back, and then it was one on and I was like absolute. But also she didn't go anywhere really black Swan among other things,

use more artsy, artsy films and also by choice. Yes she was a real a lot of stuff, but she's definitely around. But it's even it's very strange comeback. They would say, Will Smith, who who is sitting here? I remember once in a preview for a film he did Will Smith's come back? Are you kidding me? He's ubiquitous years? Absolutely no, I mean that's not a comeback now. I don't call it a come don't call it a comeback.

I do want to follow up with what John asked you one time, which is I mean he was going to phrase it as who is also in what Hot Americans Summer? Your co star ubiquitous as well these days also ubiquitous. Um well, will not have a comeback anytime soon? Um John asked you, Am I a gay icon? But he really? I mean that was a real that was like a misdirect from asking you, are you a gay icon? Can you answer that? For UM, I don't know if

I'm a gay icon. That might be overstanding it, But I um many many people over the years have mistaken me for both gay and Jewish, to which I say thank you. I take it as a compliment because it makes me seem far more interesting than an a set dual atheist, but that gives me more texture. Sexuality is inherently interesting, I would say, absolutely, just more interesting than it's in the presence of it's not what I mean.

I think most people will describe themselves as sexual beings and to be a sexual I have a biologically low libido, always have. I mean, there was a brief period where it seemed to be kind of normal in my late thirties, and I think it was a biological imperative, like my body saying if you want to have a kid, which

I did not, this is your last chance. Also, when I used to drink heavily, I would be sexual, but that was just a chemical thing tengency of the exactly I mean janine that technically qualifies you to be under the l g B T q Q I a for a sexual there's so many letters now, so many letters, old soup. But you're technically a queer icon, so I think I think we can bestow that. Well, I take that as a huge compliment, because the queer in Eligencia

tempt to have interesting taste, you know, discerning tastes. Absolutely. I mean, we're we're pretty we we sort of wallow in the on the low end of things. On this program. I don't know we saw taste, you know, which would be I feel Perez Hilton and Andy Cohen sort of cultivates that gossipy uh sometimes the comedy of cruelty, the succession of like a John Waters. Maybe, um yeah, I

feel like I take it as a huge compliment. If it's is coming from the right sources, I would I would consider us the right source, second to you guys, the right one thing. Did you see the queer film of the Year Called Me by Your Name? No, I haven't. I haven't seen that, but I have certainly read every great review, every piece, every piece of which there are many we're not necessarily fans. Well, you really don't like it. I just I'm comparing it to the to the source materials,

which is the book, which I love. But you know what I mean, we don't have to get into that. I just want to say, because kissing Jessica Stein, Oh yeah, but you're all over the place, because Okay, I had forgotten you were in four right. I was just in it for one season, right, and I watched the season that I actually watched that season before I like understood

what sort of was. I was very into it, like like there was one scene there was the one season which was remember when the president was like a terrorist at the end. Did you watch the show before you were on it? I didn't really, but I was just flattered. Somebody offered me a job and my good friend mary Lynn rice Cup was on it, and so yeah, I was very happy to have work a and work with friends. Although I did not agree with the politics of the

creators producers. That was an issue. And also I was just there to make liberals look weak and he did that purpose. Now, who's a big right wing guy who thinks it's a great, a great thing to say that he's best friends with Rush Limbaugh. I really feel you should keep that to yourself. But he thought that was yeah, are and I great? But he knew about my politics, and he intended to make me look weak. Then there

was a big writers strike. I celebrate two birthdays in one season on that because there was so much time off. And then their new writers came in and they never picked up that through line of And also it was supposed to make a female president look weak, but you can't make Cherry Jones look weak. Erry Jones, Yes, so his plans were foiled. Yeah, that's actually rule of culture number seventy five. Cherry Jones has the gravitas. We'll find she stands in her truth as Susie Orman would want

her to do. Absolutely so another day, I Susie and Cherry, of course, are Susie and Cherry Lincoln? Or is that just like a convenience as Susan mon always talks about standing and was standing? I Fox with a Susie Ormond forty minute video of her just leucturing about you know, Poducia responsibility. I like the cut of her gyps she knows what's what? I wait further instructions. Yes, absolutely so.

Is that what happened on you on the season of year character gets like interrogated and broken or like like changed because a couple of things happened the strike and Marylyn Rice Cup unexpectedly got pregnant. So then they had my character have her thrown in jail because you couldn't because even though it's just one day, and so after the strike was over, she was clearly showing a pregnancy. So there was she. If you in the video where she's incarcerated, she's behind a big box. That box, those

boxes that you can't see much. I got that great show Playing House, which I love, where one of the characters was pregnant and they went out of their way to have boxes everywhere they stand. Behind bird Bones, a character of bird Bones, the best is I think. I think it was unlike Desperate Housewives. They all had to like carry a pillow at some point. They always try and hide it in some way if they don't want to write it into the story, right right, right, I

think every story. Absolutely she maybe, I mean, you know what, maybe that character I was gonna say I had a big lunch, but maybe I said, it's just one day, so it's hard exactly. This is true because Marilyn Rice Cut is a very lean there's no body fat on Marylyn my Cut, and even when she was very pregnant. It was just like a little basketball. But the thing was it was different the television it does famously adds

in my case. Yeah, I mean, well, here's the thing we are gonna now ask you the question that we ask all of our guests, which is what is the culture that made you Janine step in a cultural direction? Like this is the first movie you saw, Um Tunia, heard television show you were a regular fan of that made you say, okay, culture it might be for me. Well, the thing is is it's a difficult question because culture is around us, and there's high, low, middle brow called

it just exists. There's it just by being born, you are part of a culture. But I do have some key things that I guess directed my taste or or one of one of the first I guess there's a combination. As a child in the seventies, comedy albums were very big. My older brother had Um George, Carlin, Cheech and Sean. My parents had Nichols and May and Bob and Ray and I just listen to them, listen to them, listen

to and I was just a huge fan. Then s CTV came on in and was a huge influence and also Around that time, I saw a movie called Take the Money and Run by Woody Allen, and I thought, I want to somehow this and the thing about I guess you're one's taste because we curate in a way

our own culture. You have. I don't know if epiphany is too strong word, but something catches your attention and it sticks, and then you become intellectually curious about wanting to go deeper into that thing, right, And so I would say, comedically speaking, um, I feel I had good days to comedy, even as the young person. And they say comedy subjective. I disagree with that. There are some

by any metric bad comedy and then good comedy. And Albert Brooks also uh, I became a fan of his albums of Stars Bought In Comedy minus one and uh. But I would say those were huge influences. And as I got older, Letterman came on when I was in high school. That was a real touchnow for many many people. Everyone tried to right, but also it caught the attention of certain people. This is different. Something's going because it's authentic, and things are authentic, and even when it's being stupid

and silly, it's coming from a smart source. That's very different from when stupid comedy is coming from a dumb source. But when it's coming from a smart source, it's all the more interesting. And then I would say the second major factor was, Um, when I went to Providence College, Rhode Island, big mistake, but at least, but at least I was a Rhode Providence College in Providence, Rhode Island. It was a very religious university, which I went to

by choice. I'm an atheist now, but I was religious. And w b RU, which was Brown University's college radio station, we could I could get on my radio, and that music reached me. It was different, it was better, and UH sent me down a path of seeing these bands live where you meet other people at these venues in Rhode Island in Boston, and you see uh different kind of people and also sartorial choices to there's a there's ways people dress and carry themselves, the music they listen to,

the comedy, like the books they read. Also, um, somebody turned me on to Howard Zinn and Noam Chomsky. So all of these things taken together became sort of UM, I guess my awakening and I don't like words like woke, and I understand woke in the dictionary means awake, but I don't like it's used with slang, and when people use slang for important things it bugs me. Hashtag, well, just just speak it. You're an adult, speak it. Just say enlightened, awake, whatever it is. Don't put a hashtag

in front of it. It's it undercuts the gravitas of what you're talking about, right, It makes it seem like a tool instead of like something that you feel. Just making it frivolous, You're just you're being frivolous with language. But Jane, you gave us a full sort of tapestry of the contours of your well like like and also then kids in the hall, things of that nature. But also I grew up in a time before social media, before before personal computer. You know, people had them before

all of these things. So when there was comedy or music, people made tapes and past them around, you know what I mean. It's like an underground railroad of rewatching Robert Tilton, the pastor of Gas or the Uncle Floyd Show, which was on a local affiliate or just uh. It used to be called college radio, then it was Indie and then alt but these things were not that easy to find.

And then also an independent film when it really wasn't even there were certain touchstone movies that people saw Betty Blue, Rebo, Man with Nail and I Wish You were here, um, and then also British culture, like there was things that were not as easily found, but if you were in a certain type of world, they were things that everybody

in that world was doing. So what do people stand to lose now with like the loss of that tactile element because you're trying it, like you know, tapes like being passed around or it's like, oh, haven't have you heard of just like you know, literally having to go out and connect with people in order to share this change. Yeah, I don't know if anything is lost, because more and more people find community now in many ways. You know, when I was growing up, um, you know I was.

I was neither particularly popular nor unpopular. There was no poor me story, no nothing. But there were some people that were definitely definitely on the fringes and and far more complex than me and I, you know, who could not find community the way young people can today. So I think there's a lot of very good things that come with that. Now, with that obviously comes a lot of nonsense and a lot of narcissism and a lot of cruelty and bullying, a whole new layer of bullying

and stuff like that. But I do think there is some very very good things, especially for young people. They can find comfort and people like them very easily now, which was not the case. Do you use social media at all that I don't. And there's a fake me tweeting in a fake Facebook me, but it's not me and a fake instrument. I don't understand why, but I just that's a full time job, and I'm not I'm not, like I said, I'm fifty four, so most of my

life is without it. I'm more comfortable without it. And I feel the more you put yourself out there, the more you give people a reason to dislike you, a reason to take a shot at you, and it doesn't roll off my back. I really like when people like me, and um I don't. I don't, and some people get alerts like when people talk about them and things like that. It doesn't roll off my back. It hurts me terribly, especially if it's unjust. If somebody says something where it's

like yeah, well, that's that's there's a fair point. Yeah, that's It still hurts my feelings, but I'm like, okay, but when it's unjust, especially for political stuff or things you've said that are completely reasonable and on the right side of history, right, when you get attacked for that, it is the most painful, painful thing, at least for me.

There recently was an interview with Erica bad the interview and there was the larger interview, and then there was, of course the poll quote, and the poll quote was I see good things in Hitler, but what she was saying as journalists or not your friend. And then also everybody loves to take a shot, everybody, you know. And the thing is, Rika Badou has proven herself to be a thinker, uh, an artist, huge does her own way, and uh now that's a tough one. When you mentioned Hitler,

that's like one of those things. As soon as it it's like somebody dropped an anvil into the conversation. But pull quotes is up. They're just not fair, and the journalist is always looking for something and then they create a foe manufactured anger and it's usually just a very small group of people, but it can grow and and it's it's it's just schoolyard bullying and also a distraction at work. You know, Oh, I'm gonna weigh in on this person I've never met, and everyone has to it's

but I feel like they don't. That's right. And I know that for younger people it's very hard to disengage because it's part and parcel of the fabric of their being. But the thing is, you don't have to write. But the unit of measurement nowadays is like these little low kiss low sigh of like pr bullshit, Like it's like the Eric about this, Eric about do you think? It's like, oh my god, Eric about not these sympathizers like like the takeaways are just what what has she ever done

that shows she's anonymous? Literally nothing. It's it's people that I think, don't even they see the headline, don't even read the article because who I time and then they take this and they have their take, and then what really seems to take the word for the journalists, which over the years the time time again they are very willing to take poetic license what someone says and also leave out of Sunday was laughing or being sarcastic, and they love it because they feel it's their job. Not

all of them, but hack ones. Let's create a controversy. So we talk about my article. Yeah, and I don't even know if it was literally the headline of the article, but it was someone who took that from it, and then that of course became the conversation, and a conversation that truly never happens about her in a positive way.

There's no discussion about her, and in fact, she's had on culture and black culture and like music culture, I'm sure there is, but not in that, in that that that was trending with that, and also leave it alone, you know, I could care less. Like everybody's upset about whatever are they is? Everybody's everybody's talking about. Really, I have heard no one talking. It's just it's just one of those things. I can't stand sweeping generalizations like that.

And and there's nothing more powerful and a fixed idea. You dropped that in everyone's a while. Oh I heard she's the Nazi sympathetic. Yeah, it's just lazy. And also it's just verbal dust. It just means nothing. And also like the arrogance that comes with thinking you're gonna have the hottest take on that, you know what I mean, Like it's going to be my tweet that it's gonna be tweeted, Like there's like there's no ability in it.

Now if you are somebody who has tweeted something that is truly edifying and enlightening, like you've you've created content or tweeted or post done something that people go, I never thought of it like that or that person. That's right, you know, whatever it is that does mean something. But when it's this nonsense so that we can all pile on, it affects the quality of your life. And actually people are lesser than the more they participate in that. God,

I just don't This is just an Erica story. But I saw her this summer at a music festival and she was incredible. She's amazing, one of the best, amazing, And then like she had a forty five minutes, like just forty five minutes, and like but meanwhile she like just wraps you up in her sound like within like the first number. But then like they like the time her time was up and they just cut off her mic and I'm just like damn, like they wouldn't do that.

That's so disrespect. It's so disrespectful to anyone, even people you don't like. It's embarrassing, and it's there's a better ways to do it. Absolutely. Now, if it was somebody going on and on, you know, who is a blowhard and it is just wasting people's time or drunk whatever, that's one thing. But if it's an artist like Erica Bud, can you not give maybe have somebody's signal that you need to whatever. She's done this before and it's you know,

I don't know. This is a sort of a weird not you know, counterfactual or hypothetical, but it's like, would this have happened to a male artist? Who knows? But it could. That's one of those things where you don't know because time is time, and the bookers of the show, in the manager, they don't care who it is. It transcends gender. There might have been somebody that they fear right was going to be mad, so we better not do it. But um, I feel like I've heard many

stories about both genders having the mics cut. I just think she's she's just been burned by the industry a couple of times. She's also blood for as much as she's burned. She is as as embraced. Yes, yes, that's usually the when people are are lightning rods if you will, for whatever reason, there are just as many, if not more. It's just the squeaky wheels that get the grease. Then naysayers always are the biggest babies and fill their diapers first,

so they get paid attention to the culture. It's always the squeaky wheels like at the grease and the biggest babies. That's a good role that this actually reminds me. The other day they had Rose McGowan on the View and it was a large interview with her, like it was. They devoted a lot of time to her story, as they should because she's now has her new book called Brave Um, which I can't wait to read, and it

was like a two part interview with her. And then actually when they came back from commercial break, the ladies were talking about it more after she had left, and it's true. Whoopi Goldberg was like making this point about like what what Rose had said, and they started playing Whoopee off and then she turns to the camera and she goes, maybe don't play me off now, like maybe this isn't the time to do this, Like she like locked eyes with the camera and was like, there's nothing

more cowardly than a network TV producer. But having been on the view that over the years and UM having some discussions about them asking me to temper. This is when I worked at Air America and during the Bush year, Uh, wed you please just timp not say you know, just fear. You know, that's just that's the nature of mainstream show business and mainstream any business is fear bureaucracy. That's that's

the tale as old as time. But with Rose McGown, I was watching a little bit of an interview last night and with Christian Christian Alman Coor, and it seemed as if UM Chris Jone was trying to catch her out on something. It seemed like, I don't know for sure, but it felt like it was going that way, and so my stomach started feeling sick, and so I changed

the channel. But uh, it seemed like she was saying, so you were in the hot tub with with you know that, But now that all of these things are problematic because it's when I believe the story was uh it was Weinstein story and they were both in a hot tub, and then unwanted advances came, and Chris John kept harping on that, like why were you in the hut? But and and Rose, to her credit, was saying, let's not make it about this. Let's not make it about you know. I've got much more to say on this.

It's just one of those things that also in culture in life, we'll never get past when people are in hot tubs with an aggressive any of these things, because people who aren't there go, I'd have never done that.

But when you're twenty or whatever, she was and was being told she's the next big thing, and also had been raised in a highly sexualized, inappropriate Her whole life was inappropriate advances here and um unfortunate events and from the very first Doom generation everything and all the things, she was used as a sexual objectified person. She's a very very beautiful person and she went along with it.

That doesn't mean she would like to be harassed, but it's one of those things where, um, you have to factor in all of what made her her, how she got to this place, and UM, I don't. Unfortunately, I don't think she'll ever get past with many interviewers those types of questions, but she's very very good at deflecting those questions, always the circumstantial sort of questions that always

tossed around. But with her, I think people do it even more because I think this smear campaign that Weinstein did embark on with her and actually you know the massade, just this whole collection of people that whose job it was to discredit her. There that's been the narrative about Rose McGowan for the last ten years. Is crazy. That's the thing. It's easy to it's low hanging fruit, and it's very easy to mock and marginalize anyone in entertainment.

That's a entertainment, really easy. And if you have taken your clothes off, you've that's a trifecta of mocked, marginalized out. But also people like to do that. And again I don't like sweeping germanizations, but for the most part in mainstream media, what they like to do is I don't want to think about this, well, how can I categorize this person so we could dismiss it exactly exactly, you know what I mean, Like, it's just let's do this, let's pigeonhole it, let's classify it and lay it to

the side. And that's just the nature of mainstream, especially news media. It's trickle. It trickles down all the way to I remember in my in my like sketch group in college, like I became the director of it, and I could feel people taking me less seriously just because I was just like, oh, he's saying something forceful and it's bitchy, you know what I mean, Like you forget it.

And then like my successor, Sudie Green, who ran the group after me, dealt with it and a whole on the level because she was a woman and it's just crazy and it was coming from twenty year old kids. But well, it's I always find that it's differ cult to blame or to to hold people to what they did anything below the age of three. You know, you put a camera on them or you interview them. Most people are going to say something dumb when they're young.

That's just the way. You're not the best version of yourself. You will, you will grow and involve, hopefully, hopefully, but if any everyone in the world and people turn the camera and so they love to take pictures themselves with rice pudding and cupcakes. But I'm saying if people follow them and listened to their interactions all the time and then put it on the TV or whatever people go that was dumb to find something. Yeah, any interest because

obviously it means from political times blah blah blah blah blah. Um, any engagement interests at all to like, what's the equivalent now, like I guess cricket media, like pot Save American. Well, there's all kinds. There's tons of stand up benefits, raising money, strong things, and I have attended many of the marches and actions um. And then also Dave Wrath, my my one of my managers, has this tour the Comedy Resistance that he's going to different swing states and stuff, and

comics are performing. They're raising money for certain things to get people engaged. There is one of the great things about living in this city, in the outer boroughs is there's an action almost every day. You can accidentally walk into one and go, hey, I was there, I was a citizenship, I'm I'm engaged. Even if you didn't mean to go, you just I stood there, And so there's

that now. Uh. In other ways, I've been asked to speak and make public service announcements, which I no longer have a wish to do because uh, having gone through that that mill In in in the early auts and the bushers and and with Air America. Um. Again, being in entertainment makes you not listen to that for whatever reason. It's like, you know, they could get people, people could quote unquote respect from all walks of life. You are willing to say the same thing, but in a lot

of these shows won't book them. They just want somebody. But even with like that has been on a TV show or something like that. But it's uh, And in my stand up, I'm happy to talk about things like that. I make no secret of how I feel about things, and I will in in one on one conversations. Uh, you know anywhere that I go, I'm not gonna keep silent about certain things. But I don't I don't know how productive it is. Um all the time, Let's get actors.

And also, don't use the word celebrity. I mean a I'm not a celebrity, but be that word is so off putting. Don't say celebrities for blah blah blah. And also usually people in entertainment don't refer to themselves, not at all, right, Um, but the people put in the campaign together do thinking it's the right thing to do. It is not the right thing. It's it's silly, and

it's just peep this person. It doesn't define them. Just because I happen to have done stand up or been in a show or been in a movie, it does not define me. I am a citizen like anybody else. And I have thoughts and feelings. And you know, if I was if I was a an electrician, would you take me more? You know? Do I can I say something shut up and wire shut up and saying shut up, I want to hear that. Shut up and and and

finish the plumbing. A Barber Streisan concert last year, and there was this one if she got political as she does, um, and there was this woman if you rose back, just screaming about how she didn't want to hear it coming, you know, not just that so you don't give a ship. Yeah, I'm sorry, you don't care what you're saying to me. You've just spoken volunes about you. You don't want to hear it. So, but I'm sure you're happy to give your opinion. Guess what this person cares about things? And

you must have known that. Sorry, so you're I don't want to hear it just means I don't agree with what that person is saying. But if it was Toby Keith, I'll hear it, you know what I mean. It's it's one of those things. But when people say I don't want to hear it, then leave. You know what I mean? It's this is important, and especially now. It was it was dire during Reagan Bush, but it is beyond critical now.

And if you're gonna be a person who doesn't want to this affects you, do not know that it affects if you have children, uh, your children and grandchilans. Now, if you don't give a shit about yourself and these things, or you think you're above it, do you not care at all about the air your kids breathe, or about the financial stability, uh, the infrastructure that's not being all of these things that affect your life deeply impact. Yes, we got rid of Frank Underwood. Yeah, Kevin Spacey, He'll

never be making decisions that impact your life negatively? Is okay, Kevin space He's gone. Stop the celebration. It does nothing to affect your life, do you know what I mean? Jeffrey Tamber's gone now and that was you know, and I and which actually you know what this is. It's like talking about Israel's gone with them, with them with the me too. I think it's okay to question the question er every once in a while. If we transcendgender

like the bathrooms, human beings are making accusations. Is it? You know the person that went after al Franken worked for a Fox affiliate, was contacted by Breitbart before she decided to take this issue with this picture? Is that not fair to ask that question about why now? Why this? And also this photo? And also um, I was talking to some other comics who were doing their due diligence

and apparently that photo was fake. They were fake sleeping right, so and also beyond that, you were just in war zones. This is your takeaway. This is your takeaway, an illegal war that kicked off this whole thing that's still going with uh, people dying, the refugee crisis, women being sexually assaulted all the time on both sides, and people living

in dire poverty. This is your takeaway that this picture from Alpha now he's gone, uh, and and it throws away all the wonderful work he's ever done, and I think it's okay to question the question are now that people immediately recoil when I start talking about that. In the same way when I talk about it's okay to care about Palestinians. Oh, you're anti Semitic. No. I refused to get put in a box like that because it's

bullying and it shuts down meaningful conversation. You're looking at the you know, the million different variables that go into just human being. Is talking about the human beings and anything. I think it's problematic you call anything me too. There's a lot of people who want to get on board. Look at me, look at me too, me too. To said it's it's me too can become like a Rod Sterling episode of Lights Out on Maple Street, you know what I mean, like or any of the themes he

dealt with, or the McMartin case way back. When these things catch on like a wildfire and they get out of control, and then people like I said earlier, nothing is more powerful and a fixed idea, that's that's more that sticks more than the truth. People's lives are destroyed. Uh. Some of these people have been accused have daughters who read the present here about it. And and I don't think it's for any story to say we don't question the question er. That's like the Spanish Inquisition or the

Crusades or anything. Now, obviously there are people who need to be heard. There is no question about that, and I am not questioning that. But I do feel if bright Bart News has something to do with it, you have every right to question accused. And I feel like and and because we're talking about human beings and this transcends gender in these cases, and I feel like, um it,

when is it going to be? And maybe it is okay to talk about that, but it's much easier to come at it with vit real just no, no, no, you're no. Because when I have discussed this and stand up about about the rod Sterling aspect of it, I can see people record some people recoiling in there in their seats. They'll look on their face changes They're waiting for this shoo shoot to drop, even before I even start discussing what I'm gonna say that they're ready for

impact and ready with a response. It's a condition that we have now and it is internet that that terrifies us. I mean even I'm not even gonna I'm gonna be transparent about it. Even talking about it now, it does make you a little nervous because there are those people who will refuse, who have to fight. You know, this is why the Palestinians are still living under apartheid, because

in this country we are not allowed to care. That's been the m O since post war, basically in mainstream media anyway, mainstream media, they and politicians, you better not discuss it. You better not talk about the Palestinians in a kind way. And that's why for years, you know, it has real impact. People are dead, dying, living in poverty, and living under apartheid. And it is apartheid. It doesn't mean I am not I don't care, it doesn't mean I'm anti Semitic at all. And it is a child's

argument to talk about that. And I refuse to back down from these things because this is how people suffer. And it will go on for years. Because eighty year stomach fell a little not when I started talking about this. That tells you gotta push against or nothing will change. Well, it's it's a it's on purpose to people want you to see a quote unquote enemy as inhuman. They don't want you to to to um understand that there's a person on the other side. It's what happens right here

in America. It's what you know. If Russia's interfering the way we think they are. They want us to have a civil war. They want us to see the other side as inhuman. That's Trump getting up there and saying they ripped the babies out of the of the wounds. That's them that has been you know. But the thing is is Rush there was collusion. I don't know how

many he confessed to. I mean, obviously he's guilty of many, many things, which just shows you that if he was on the first forty eight, they would have wrapped that case up in in forty eight hours. I don't know if you watched the first forty eight on A and E. But they get it done. There's a crime scene with a dead body, a carcass and and maybe a nickname of somebody who i'd have been there, and they solve it this They have nothing but evidence from from the

person himself. And yet oh just no, no, no, it's like trying to get John Gotty million. It's because there's foot there's foot dragging and because many many other people will be implicated. But that's just that's just the nature of government in this country or any other. But that what you mentioned brings me to another book that influenced my life of a great deal called I and Thou by Martin Buber, which was another one of those life

changing things. And uh, it talks about how people either have an eye it relationship with people or an I thou I it means you, you you vilify the other, and you lack empathy. And I though, is this is a human Now. I'm not at all saying everybody has a right. Believe me, there are people who I feel should be shut down eight ways to Sunday. It is not a side to a story to be homophobic or misogynist or or um a warhawk or a liar. That's not a side to a story. So I'm not one

of them. As much as I love Jay Krishna Murdy and I do. And that was another seminal book awakening intelligence. Uh for me um and a lot of Eastern philosophies. I can't go as far as your enemy is your teacher, No, Tucker Carlson's not my teacher. And culture is not my teacher, Killy and Conway, uh, Sean Hannity, I wish them ill. And when Andrew bar I was walking on it joy the same joy as when I found my wallet Union

Square and I lost it. That level of joy. My my, I've told my bright bright story million times when he was still alive. This is right after Sarah Palin had her whole um uh, what was it? What was the word that she made up? That fucking stupid so many I don't know many, but she it was. She made up refu refugiate. It was refugiate. And I had tweeted some some like stupid old. I was nineteen. I tweeted some fucking stupid ass zinger of a tweet. It wasn't

even that good. But then Andrew Brightbart somehow got wind of it retweeted it to all of his followers. I was on a flight. They don't really care, they don't They just want to attack. So I was on a flight, turn my phone off. By the time I landed, turn my phone back on. All these crazy ass motherfucking tweets just calling me all these racist things. But that's why

it was done. And Andrew Brightbart the reason I felt joy is his his behavior impacted negatively the lives of many many people in society, and the sting operations shutting down egg Corn all these many many things. Uh, he was He is a person with no moral compass who doesn't mean anybody well. And I'm assuming self loathing has a lot to do with that. You can't be a happy, stable person and behave in that manner, and his taking

him out of the equation is a very good thing. Now, I'm not talking about my vitriol is not aimed at little petty things in my personal life, like that person was mean to me at the deli. I'm talking about people who have actual power that destroy lives for years to come. And if the Trump voters, who by the way, are not hard, decent, hardworking Americans, and I'm tired of that myth. They are decent, hardworking nothing they if they didn't get it by the time. And first of all,

he didn't win, didn't win, and I just take it. Oh, he was elected. He was not with what with the rolling back of the Voting Rights Act, with voter suppression, with interference, and with all kinds of software tampering that was in play when John Kerry won and when the late antonin Scalia good riddence to bad D installed George Bush illegally. I don't believe a Republicans one legally since since Bobby Kennedy was shot, I believe eave And this

is not conspiracy. This is business because with right wingers, it's business is blood sport. With bright part it's a blood sport. Um there is a concerted effort to dominate and to make sure less people vote because when more people vote, especially since the sixties, uh is swings left and the world American culture especially, there was no putting the toothpaste back in the tube after the sixties and

the only seventies. That's just a fact. And the great majority of humans that live in this country are not with the quote unquote moral majority. The evangelicals, they're a very very small part, but they're well funded and that they've got power. They've got also big industry behind them.

And a decision was made. I think we got to make sure that people who have an impact like George McGovern, like Mike It's like Bobby Kennedy do not have this input like like Jill Stein or Elizabeth Warren or Maxine Waters they got to neutralize them, and they have to create myths around them, and they have to create that it was a landslide that McGovern lost in. I don't know if that's true, because there's been uh. I don't know if I am I allowed to say the F words.

You know, that's rat which is what made famous during the Nickson era where and Karl Rove was recruited as a young man because Halderman and Lockman noticed what a piece of shitty was in tampering with college elections. Does that tell you something about you know where they're so after Watergate, you know the phrase Republicans would say never again. They didn't mean never again, that they meant never again,

will we be busted and transparent? And they started at that time buying up news stations and papers and creating faux think tanks and influencing people. And again, this is just business. It's not tinfoil hat time. And that's another way to disengage in dis miss They're just a conspiracy. Since we can go back to ancient Rome, we can go back to ancient Egypt. That's just the nature of power.

It seeks to consolidate. Well, there's something happening now. And like Manow talked about this, like she was like two things about obstruction of justice are either people get caught

or people get away with it. And people risk their entire lives in their careers because they know at least there's some chance of them getting away store And that's what's happening now with all Well, there's never been big repercussions really, not for Watergate, not for not for end Contra, not for Nicaragua, none of these just not a bridge gate,

but ben Ghazi, Oh, let's keep talking about that. That's because the right tends to dominate the conversation because because they're very loud, and they've got the money and the power and the and the airspace to do it. And also the left in the center is not that mean spirit, They are not that's that's it's it's who you are that makes you be, how you gravitate. It's neuroscience, it's it's it's not even always about issues, especially for the right.

It's not about issues at all, because there are no issues. It's it's limbic brain, neuroscience, cruelty, anxiety, fear, you know, or money grab whatever it is. There's the cynics and the suckers. The cynics are at the top using the dumb dums as a hammer, and then the dumb dums at the bottom. Thing they're going to get what they want. And also there's some people of color and the gaze will go away. It is a thing because it is

just all like, it's all emotion. It's all emotional, but it's all everything else is informed by that emotion of it's frontal lope to and it's my it's myopic. And because and it's easier right if you're a right winger, you get to claim the moral high ground. You don't have to care about anything, you don't have to do anything, you don't have to sacrifice anything, got to recycle. I don't want to pay my taxes and I always feel like, do you like driving on this road? Do you go

to an airport? Guess what your taxes? And I don't want my taxes going to plan parent hunt. Well, first of all, because of the High Amendment, they really don't. So you wants on every dollar to go to the military industrial complex. Is that you would prefer that this and all that kind of stuff, But that would require unpacking and thinking So it's much much easier to be on the right because you get to pretend that you've got the you know, the flag and Jesus whatever the

heck um. Yeah, but you get to coast, but you will it does bite you and they you still have to breathe dirty air. You still have to drink water. Yeah, you still have to go on a bridge that hasn't been serviced for eight hundred years, or amtrack that has antebellum, uh, you know, infrastructure, all of these things. They still have to do that too. So what are you thinking in

terms of who are the strong leaders? Like I would just like to hear from you who you're excited about if anybody, Well, I really enjoyed Kennedy's rebuttal and Elizabeth Warren. There's a lot of good Democrats maximums and many many of the great Democrats. You'll see on C Span two on the floor fighting a good fight. They don't get a lot of major air time. But the thing is, none of that matters until we uh undo what's been done with jerrymandering and the Voting Rights Act and the

tampering of software. Nothing will change until that is addressed. All of that's being appealed up to the Supreme Court. And that's just like the Supreme Court is hopefully, hopefully somebody will do the right thing. I mean, there's some decent judges, but for the most part it's been packed with with um you know a lot of these people that are on the side of the bullies, right, But because I think was in North Carolina overturned or something

North Carlina, again, they are not well represented. The people of North Carolina are not in any way well represented by the handful of assholes represented in the same way that the right wing and the Knesset in Israel dominates. The right wing of our government dominates. Does not represent us. But it is easy And also Brexit doesn't represent England. But it's easy to see why people go, what a

bunch of assholes. And also Fox News, unfortunately, thanks to Murdoch, goes all over the world and they see Fox News, so you can understand why I'd go, what's wrong with them? Yeah, And and they don't realize unless they go outside of that. But also if you only saw the Brexit people and the and the Theresa May people in the and and the you Kip in England, you'd go what a bunch

of assholes. Um, Every country in every era has these problems, and until human nature changes, this is not going to change so well, I mean, but luckily we do make more. I mean time does go on, I mean, progress does. That's why they have to I don't know if it's consolation that they have to steal the elections to win them. Does that make sense? You know that's a comfort to know, but it's not really. I mean, like, yeah, the moral arc bends, not linearly, not even well, there is no

moral universe doesn't tilt towards anything. It's neutral at best. But there when people talk about universe tilts towards justice, I don't think so. I think it's and also it doesn't take requests. It's not yours, it's not your, it's not Alexa's. It's just stop. That's narcissism to me, Like the University verse, it's it's there, it's it's it's not. It doesn't hear you, it's not going to speak back to you. And if it tilted towards justice, history would

be a very very different thing. We should say it is rule number culture. The universe is not Alexa. Although what you're saying about we just have to point that up as it as a rule. We have to just immortalize that. What you're saying about the toothpaste not being able to go back into the tube. After the sixties and the early seventies were people don't remember that, having Ben cognizant in school at that time. They were very very you know, the early seventies were even more so

in many many ways. And Carter was a great, great president. Now the story that's been told since because they have to, is that he was the worst. Because they can't have a person like Carter and his and the first Lady Rosalind who are still building homes for habitats. They're authentically trying to make a better world. That's why Republicans have to tower and feather them and pretend. And by the way, Reagan, in cahoots with Kissinger, kept the hostages hostage until after

the election. This is the kind of person that you're talking about to make Carter look bad and to and I do we know we wanted to land slide. I don't trust that. And you know our press is very fast to call out other countries. They're in a second stolen election, stole election. Yet here you bring it up

and then you're seen as a paria. First of all, whenever I go to Atlanta, I cry because there's there's there's a big sort of banner that you know, honors Jimmy Carter and as well should be just the best man. And if you go to his Presidential library in Georgia, it's the most beautiful building in the world. They played the sweetest little video about him and Rosa Rosalind Rosalind Rosalind just about the peanut farm and everything and oh my god, Jimmy Carter's about it. Well you should hear it.

They make it very easy if you hear um Charles Crouthamer or Handy or any of these guys, or Bill Crystal or um any Fox, any any fox. And then the ones that are considered the smarter one. Wait, what about Smith? Now Smith, he has his moments because of his his personal still and if you hear some of the usual suspects castigating disparaging person, then you know that you should be on that person's side in the same way the way and Bush and Reagan, and they name

things the Clear Skies Initiative. Well, you better watch your back. Birds and anything of this guy. You know, if it's called that, everything's yes. So they make it actually quite simple, everything is the opposite, and that it's branded. Because also they have no respect for their base who they're talking to, because you can't respect people in lie to them that way.

With Fox News, Roger Roger Els who was there were none of those guys now having been on Fox a number of times, which is a fool's errand you you see that there's a divide between, uh, those that know they're lying and those that don't. I don't know which is worse. There's some that are very clearly understanding what their role is and they know that they're lying. Then there's some that you meet their handed eat Brian Kill meet some of the Fox they are they have dumb dumbs.

They are the high school bully, and they also aren't real political animals. They don't they don't do their homeworker, They read off telemeter. Then there's like Bill O'Reilly who in their early days anyway, Greta van Susteren, Tucker Carlson, they know they're lying. They're just getting paid their opportunities. I don't know which is worse. There, what's both bad. What's your take on Megan Kelly. I don't like her.

I don't like her. You know what, daylight dollar short, true colors shine through because you hear about this Jane Fonda stuff. She's she's completely anybody who's got a problem still like my father still refers to as Hannai Jane. The man is baby. He is won't let it go and his whole life and it shouldn't be because he is the child his first generation, raised poor in the Bronx, first to get past the eighth grade, and wanted to be the opposite of his family, you know what I mean.

And he at college was a young Republican and has never let it go because now at this point, and he's very religious, but he's a very nice guy, and he's very bright. He's just wrong on so many things. But now and he doesn't like Fox, he doesn't like Trump. He's not one of those. But he is a hardcore Republican, there's no and he has elevated Clinton bashing or distaste

to a philosophy. I don't know why. It's just the way it is, um but to un to pull it that thread now he'd have to rethink every every everything that he has built his ideology, it's in there. But he's actually a very nice guy. But in the aggregate out there that they out there, although he is in retirement, he does nothing but volunteer. He meals on wheels, the

Big Grandpa program for reading all of these things. But he still has a they and also he thinks, uh because Santas and this guy wacky elaborate like he well, are you Obama a liberal? Are you kidding me? Obama is a Republican if nothing else. I mean, I am a fan of Barack Obama. But he was a conservative of the old school, and he was far too conciliatory. Makes no sense why he would ever think there could be bipartisanship. When they set out loud, we will do

everything we can to stand against this man. That there is no reason in the world to try and and curry favor with people who will never never accept. Yeah, they were upfront about going as low as possible, and they certainly did. And he always was so parsing his words so much, which was and you know what, he had nothing but support. He had people running through the streets. That's when does that happen? And and and yet still to have Rick Warren at the inauguration was the first

thing where you go, Now I feel sick. It's starting. The conciliatory nonsense is starting. He actually thinks that he can build a bridge, or he's secretly more conservative than than we know. But and when that guy said did you lie at the State of the Union? Oh might he might as well a said you lie, boy? You know what I mean? Like, if you don't understand how racist the Republican Party has become of the last thirty years, um, then then you're either a liar or stupid or you

don't care because you know what. The whole thing about him thinking that he can build a bridge to the other side is just made so much worse by the fact that that's never happened. The reverse of that has never happened in the last Oh democrats always are willing, always are willing, and yet their pain is ones who are not. Because that's what makes them democrats. They are a different animal than a Republican, especially today, a modern day Republican. I don't know what you would call it. No,

I don't know a nihilists. Actually, that gives nihilism a bad name. I'm not even gonna do that nihil Nihilism is often misunderstood, but they are. They are. They're like proto fascists. But you can't even use the word fascists anymore because people just over that. No, they are opportunists, craven um victims. I mean, I think in any possition I want they know. They know, and in the same way that Bill Buckley knew there was no liberal media bias.

But you say it enough and you know that they're going to bend over backwards to try and not be you know what I mean. And so NPR will give a harder time to Elizabeth Warren than they will to Kelly And because we don't want to show why. You know, if you're going to consider liberal with the truth and with kindness and with progress, take it. Take the label. It is not a dirty word. That's why I had it. When I got the job at Air America, I had liberal tattooed arm. And that's not like an I cool.

It's just to say it's not a dirty word. Should be embraced. I don't want to and progressive is fine or whatever. But even at the registision they said maybe we shouldn't say liberal, and I was like, I am absolutely saying liberal. It has a grand tradition of being the reason we make any progress. And I feel like, but even in high school I grew up on Long Island, I was scared to say it was liberal. I thought.

I thought, like the easy thing is saying like, well, if I say I'm liberal, They're gonna know I'm gay and I'm a friend. That's brainwashing, and that's down. Liberal is something to be proud of. Conservative is not at this point, And saying your Republican, as I said, you should keep that to yourself. Or if you voted for bregit, don't say it out loud. Man. That's like you don't rush limba your friends. I remember that because I you watch Real Housewives and I'm the New York Andy Cohen

fully asked them, so who voted for who? And the ones that vote for Hillary Clinton are raising their hands proudly, and then the rest of them would rather keep it private, which tells you why do you want to keep it right? So you know that it's bad, So then why did you do it? Because they know it's about their money, right, but it isn't. They're gaining nothing, but they will gain nothing by this. Everybody thinks they're going to somehow make

money through this dysfunctional government. That is not the case, and it's all gonna collapse, you know what I mean, There is no they're there with that money. He doesn't even manage his bankrupt three times over. It's horrible and won't really exist tax for terms for many, many reasons. But it's just it's just I think Russian money. It's just it's just silly. And if you like I said that, decent when people trying to say, you know, the Tea

Party just no racist voters, not decent, hard working. When I was banned from MSNBC, I was on Keith Overman Show and I was banned from NCBC, although oddly they started calling me after Al Franklin was accused to come on and talk about it, and I was like, you guys can go fun yourself. No, no, that is you would banned me for being for what for? What was it? Was? It? Keith, who, like Keith was was appalled, and then Keith left shortly after, and then I became a regular on his new series

that he then left. I'm not the only one who's been banned for things like that. But um, I also lost voiceover jobs after that because a faux controversy was created by the and fake things. It wasn't really and the and the companies I was doing voice wouldn't have even known. They're not watching that show. And but the pretend we're gonna boycott and they also um like almost like robo bomb it, you know what I mean. It's like the same five people creating tons of of fake outrage.

And uh. But then you know when you lose jobs over something like that, then you realize, oh, I probably shouldn't be working with those people anyway. That's exactly they take issue with racist being called racist, then I probably shouldn't be with those people. Um, before we move on, i'd have to ask, and this is this is just a very frivolous question because I wanted to ask this for so long. Was the scene in What Hot American Summer where you had to find the phone in the

infirmary shot in one take? Yes, we only had one one chance to do it because because of the money, I mean that the budget, they didn't have enough to redo everything so much. Tomized to grant because I enjoyed doing that with Joe, so much, and I loved screaming running up and I had wished so much we could keep that. I would have liked to have kept on, kept on screaming and knocking things. So my favorite part is when Joe is frightened by a lamp shade, yes,

and it punches it. And unfortunately in the liner notes for this release of this Wet Hot Compendium, I said he punched the phone, and I should have corrected that, but I didn't feel like retexting David Wayne. But he punched a lamp that and that was like in the in the moment, but it makes me laugh so hard when you get started by the lamp shade and then oh my god, it's so funny. I guess so people

who are reading the liner. No, it's just it really is so incredible that cast and what the everyone went on to do, and like it's just crazy. That's it's amazing that it was Bradley Cooper's first film and Polar's first film. I think Elizabeth Bank's first film. I believe, Um, there's gotta be Christma actually was wasn't actor, but then it became even more bigger. The level of fame achieved by Rudd cooper Um and polar is one of those

that's very rare for anybody. But then also David and Michael trajectory like all all all states, because you're lucky if one person makes it that high in the pantheon. But to have so many in that cast who went on to become uber famous signature performers, Yeah, just that just goes to show like that the curation that went into that ensemble is just well. Also, we all mostly knew each other the I had not met Chris Maloney before that, but I but I knew of him amazing,

I can say it now. The biggest crush on Christmallow. No good looking, like when he walks in the room, like you become not only attractive that way, but funny and nice and very very talented. And I used to just go watch him do really with with pure lust. And that's I'm not really like that, you know what I mean, Like, it's not it's not about somebody's looks something, but you if you make them funny, then it's like,

now there's a power there. I don't even know what to do, but he is he is like his body is ridiculous. And usually I don't go for that kind of shore. But in his case, that's a man. That's a man's a manly man. Chris Malona also never forget that gay sex scene that was like totally pure and a very great and like honestly very loving, like super respects laughs for laughs, but like committed to the characters and doing a great job. And also it's testament to

both of their actings. Now everybody thinks Michael I and Black is gay, that's David Wayne Michael shoulder at Michael and Black. They've been dealing with that since they were teenagers, and they embrace it because they are secure and who they are and it's not and they know that it's not a criticism to be to be called that. But Michael in Black that must have do you know he

told me so. I don't know whether he's joking, he claims, and I'll take him at his word that when he was a kid, his mom and her partner sat him down and said, you know, you can come out to us. He says that that happened. He was like, I'm not gay. Two moms. He has dad, and then they divorced and then he had two moms. And if he's telling me the truth. I believe him. He said they sat him down and said, you know, you could come out. Isn't

that hilarious? Moms, I'm not. And they're like, it seems like a sketch from something that's pretty great, and it's it's always the ones we have. We have these these straight male friends who are just just just the best people in the world. You're like, we're often mistaken. There's something they're just a good means that they're either nice or British, right, because it's a fine line. It's a fine line with the euro actually the whole year, British, French,

sometimes sometimes Scandinavian Gay or just internationally. It's true. You're like, god, everyone here is an option. But they style they've just got a certain um um. Okay, so we should move

on to I don't think so, honey. Okay, this is this is the moment where you take something We've done a lot already, but this is more a concentrated one minute on anything in pop culture, anything you want take one minute to rail Again, it's very difficult for me to get to a point of singling with clarity, but you know what you do what you do. But if I try to get into a minute. You can just stop me in a minute and maybe it'll be under a minute. Okay, well we'll go first. I will expand. Okay,

so um, I think I have a good one. Okay, great, this is Matt Rodgers is I don't think so, honey. As the time starts now, I don't think so honey. Fantasy movies with long ass titles like Fantastic Beast and Where to Find Them and now this one, next one is going to be called Fantastic Beast and Where to Find Them in like the Secret of Dumbledore and also how to Get Lose a Guy ten days. It's like, simplify it. You want me to see this movie, call

it Dumbledore is gay. Second, I don't think so honey on this topic, them saying, well, Dumbledore is not going to be explicitly gay, but watch this space quote watch this space. No, I've been watching this space. Dumbledore is gay, and I also think he was an intense fuck. Here's my thing. If you don't want it to be gay, don't cast Jude Law, who is one of those straits who gives you gay. We're seeing him as a psycho sexual, gay young pope. I mean he's not gaying the thing,

but he might as well be. The man gives more phase than Naomi Campbell. Here's the deal. We are over it. We want Dumbledore to be gay. I'm here watching the movie. Let me tell you something about the first Fantastic Be Somewhere to Find That. It was more sexual than Call Me by your Name. Doubledore is gay. Let's have him be gay. Jude Laws playing him, he's gay? I don't think so. And that's one minute wonderful that was. That was gorgeous, that was well constructed. That was a gay

art house film, Fantastic Bes Somewhere to Find Them? Did you see that? I didn't. It was just just take us at our word when there's just very artfully done homoroticism, beautifully shot homo erotic scenes between Colin Farrell and Ezra Miller. So isn't that true many films, especially in early cinema, absolutely Lloyd closet. It's a hard getting back to the

celluloid closet. But I'm upset with them because they have Johnny Depp in the movie and it's you know what taste in jewelry is not is not right for me? And he's also just start to real choices in general are not quite right for me. But it seems like a very interesting person. Yeah, I didn't have gone to a college radio college rock concert back when you were, back when you were a providence to start Startorically, he

did not inspire into music and stuff. He always has been, But I I don't know that we would have had the same taste. I don't know that for sure. Sure, sure, sure, but there you go. Okay, But anyway, look I'll probably go see sure, sure, but I just think let's move past. Who's going to be the first character in one of these big things to just be gay? You know what

I mean? Like, when is that going to happen? Like Star Wars with the po Damn Ran like that, that character, he's on the edge, and I feel like it's at what point are we just going to have like a major mainstream explicitly character but not even he's going to take the risk. You don't even have to move the dial that much. You just make him be like, just just make him scoff and the fucking scene and then we'll get it. So I get what you're saying. I have has there not been not in film, not in

like we're just talking about this. We on our last episode, I said, there's not a gay character in this one thing, and there literally has to be. It was Star Wars, you know what I mean. I get like not wanting to risk Star Wars, but like you take risks exactly. That's how I feel. And I'm like, you're telling me in the galaxy, because it is a galaxy. That's actually rule number right, rule number thirteen culture Star Wars. It's a galaxy, and in the galaxy there's not a gay

you know what, You're right. I don't know, honey. Maybe there transcended that and the pans sexual pans sexual. They do say that Laura Dern's character in the extended canon is same sex oriented, and we didn't say that. Potentially, well, I don't know if that was fan thick or not. God, I got it, got it. But listen, give me something, tell me a bone films come on? All right, So that is beautiful matting out a little bit. I don't even know it's okay, it's back from all right, this

is bone yangs. I don't think so, honey. And as time will begin now, I don't think so, honey. Food truck culture listen. It's it's ephemeral. It's the whole construct of it is built on it not being available to you at all times, which is fine, but just to have to create this artificial scarcity around, Oh, the dumpling truck's here, it's Thursday, and having a line of people, this throng of people just clamoring for dumplings is just not what we not we We we've grown out of

this as a culture, haven't we. We've grown out of first of all, eating from fucking styrofroam trays. I don't think so, Sam, What am I supposed to do with this? Throw this in the trash and and have that not be a stain on my conscience? Oh my god, I don't think so. Honey food truck culture for having food that is subpar coasts on novelty because you got it out of a fucking vehicle. I don't think you know what,

this is not a novelty In some countries. I go to China, I get fucking delicious meals out of a cart as well, doesn't cost me an I'm gonna fucking leg to buy stuff out of a food I don't think so honey food trucks. That's all right, Um, pay, okay, that's fine, I'll take it. Listen, Jane, are you ready for your I don't think something. I am so. This is Janine Garofflers. I don't think so, Honey, her time starts now. I do not think so, my dear. Um.

I have a couple of things. One is the vocal fry Valley girls speak, and at least when I was growing up, it was contained mostly to southern California. Moon Zappa of course made it very, very famous, but it's broken wide domestically internationally, and when I hear people who are far too old to be doing it's just one of those things that becomes it's an affectation that becomes, unfortunately part of their way of communicating, and it's it's

very annoying because it's not authentic. And also slang and lingo when it's used by adults, especially on the Cooking Channel, the Food Network. And also I believe Richard Lewis deserves credit credit for on Steroids and from Hell Now. He coined those phrases on Letterman in the eighties and they are now part of everyone's lexicon. On steroids, First of all,

you shouldn't be still saying it. But Richard Lewis deserves credit for for on Steroids and from Hell from Letterman from the Early Boom, and that's one minute, oh gorgeous, gorgeously recovered he in his comedy routines, and they became like why like a fire, you know what I mean? And but when people still say on steroids on as, first of all, it's been done. Let's let's talk about the food as an adult would. Um, you don't have to say that that cupcake. First of all, it's of

average size. Stopped tending. It's like, I can't say how people are pretending food is large when it's really of average to small size. I don't want to play along with that. But but when you see adults speaking hashtag worth it just speak speak speak it. Because I felt like the hashtag thing literally couldn't last much longer than

when it first became a thing. I was like, okay, the hashtag thing, that's going to get filtered out, But no, it's now becoming the world on every television, all kinds of slang and lingo. And I understand that's that's part of of our linguisticy of our language. There's all kinds of slang that has stood the test of time from

Shakespeare on. I mean, Shakespeare is responsible for a great many things that we say, but some of the things and also the way it's like, so I was like, I didn't want to go and then be Ley like you go hear on the cell phones, because once you over hear in name conversations on cell phones, you can't underhear them, you know, you just hear them. And adults in business, you know they're real business. You can tell because I said, we're on the same page and bla

at the end of the day. So that's how I know they're in business. But they're speaking in that childlike sing songy way male and female people thirty and over, and I just feel like that's not how you spoke, you know, and you are bastardizing the Queen's English, and I shan't have it. We love it, we love it. And yeah, it's such a hard left turn mentally to be like, wait, I'm gonna hashtag this out loud, like what are you doing. It's no conversation going, don't don't

punctuate it with this unnecessary like reduantantly. You are so funny like when the person said something. And also I've noticed a lot of younger people not gonna lie. It's a thing. I'm not gonna lie. But then what follows is the most innocuous statement. No one whatever doubt the efficacy of It's like I'm not gonna lie love bottled water. It's the strangest it's and on house hunters to a lot of that's what I'm talking about. That's what I have. Bonus.

It's not a bonus room. First of all, it's it's a room. Let's get that straight. But made a Romancaid ship. I haven't all of these nonsense words that adults use, especially like fun suburbanized, like when they get together, you know what I mean. You see them h TV a lot. It's their form of humor, I guess, and communication. But it's just like that's not how you speak, right. And I'm sure when the chips are down, if there's an emergency,

if the houses, I doubt very much. When things are serious, people are like, oh my god, grab that, grab tag over it. It's just yourself. So if you speak, if you don't speak that way when you things are important to you, I feel like, just speak speak normally because also it's it's more interesting to the listener, I find, and for you to up your linguistic game. Just speak

and don't don't back off. I know a lot of young people, uh, I don't want to be vulnerable, and that's part of it's like and I was all and they're like, and I know that's part of teenage. I don't want to commit because I'll get embarrassed if they make fun of me. So I do understand that they might not know anything else, but I feel like, just speak it, speak it and and and it's better for you. It's better it And also there's many many very intelligent people in my peer group of my life who speak

unfortunately with a lot of slang with the vocal fry. Now, if I didn't know that they were as smart as they are, and I'm not even talking about academics. I'm talking about emotional intelligence, which can be more important sometimes that you wouldn't know it, you know, by the way they kind of communicate in a general way that it surprises you that when they do form because it literally

takes a while to get there. But because you've written that person off and I don't you know, what I mean, what I'm saying is that I don't write it because I'm I like them and I'm warm, but I don't understand the need to to speak in this manner especially you know, like I said, I'm among the oldest, but you're forty eight years old. Why are you? Why are you speaking like guy fiery or a child, which is basically the same thing, pretty much like Guy fiery or

a child. Um. Well, wow, this has been such a delight. Thank you so much. Thank you coming on, Thank you for being here. This has been an amazing episode. Now here's the thing. I guess, like from where you're listening, we're probably going to get on Splash Mountain, right sure, just to let you guys know where we're at between Space Mountain and Splash Mountain. We just took an hour to petting on the lines. Anything could happen, but we probably just stopped a need to turkey like for an hour.

And it's very very warm. That there's the bathroom bricks, that there's crowds. You must consider variables, consider all as actually aspirationally you will be hopefully and really getting getting our ultimate life on it. Of course, to use are not that's more like an operate live your best that kind of thing, or your better angels or a little attle platitude or people love to get it on jewelery

your t shirts. Sure, just somehow like that. It's going to do it for well, I'd rather them have a phrase or a saying on their necklace than their own name. Oh I actually the own name annam a state or or live love last. Both have to go for sure. All right, everybody, thank you for listening. Thank you Janine Gard already. Should we close it with a song? Yeah? What song? Um? Let's do the theme to space Mountain.

There is space and on that space, there is a mountain for a showore and we found love on the amundsend Bye dog. This has been a Forever Dog production executive produced by Brett Ballum, Joe Silio, and Alex Ramsey. For more original podcasts, please visit Forever Dog Podcasts dot com and subscribe to our shows on Apple Podcasts, Spotify,

or wherever you get your podcasts. Keep up with the latest Forever Dog news by following us on Twitter and Instagram at Forever Dog Team, and liking our page on Facebook