"Gagging For Redemption" (w/ Paul W. Downs & Lucia Aniello)

your identity. Here's so much more dynamic than that. I'm not saying it's my identity. Who's saying it's my identity? I am. You're saying it's so much like you've been so tired? Yeah, I don't, but I am. I am worried. Are you too tired to talk about it? I'm worried that it um is, it is becoming your No, no, no no, I'm worried that it's gonna it's it's pretending something bad? What is port? And I think I'm worried

it's gonna be a disease? Okay, stop, because I asked so I said to Bowen, stop talking about how tired you are. And he looks at me and he's like sunk sunk down in the couch and he goes, what if I have something? And I said, well, bitch, you are currently on prep, which means you go for regular checkups. So I'm just saying you go never your By the way, everyone is on prepse He's in l A. He's on prep. And have you in New York soon? He's telling all about would be on tour. He's on prep um. Look,

I think you're fine. But here's the thing is, it's like everyone's tired, you know what, I know, everyone's time. Literally everyone is tired, but I just for for this particular trip. It's like it's that whole millennial burnout thing where there's no boundary between work and relaxation and like that's just what it's become. So and so I and so I've been worn out by not working. I'm also out of high energy, and I think that maybe makes

you tired. It's like one when a when a dog that's a little bit older, no shade, sees a younger dog that has a lot more energy. It's like, I'm already done you can tell the dog the older dog. It's like getting more tired just by watching what's happened. I don't want to be that older dog, though I want to be I want to be um the sprightly thing. Anyway, can I say why I'm in my happy place? Yes, you went to the bathroom and oh hot hot associet

producer Alex I'm so sorry. He said he was going to disney Lands, and I said, okay, cool, let me plan for you. Can I read this By the time Bowen Yang got back from the restroom, I had planned his Disney day. I'm just gonna read this entire list that filled up. This is good for everyone because I just went from my birthday, so this is this is good for everyone. Start at Disneyland, start tours. Can I

stop you for one second. This is to say that you have bought a multi park pass with max Pass that allows you to do fast past options Okay, star towards, slash Space Mountain depending on weight time fast past, Radiator, springs, racer, okay, cars, matter Horn, bob sleds, big thunder Mountain. This is all just in order of and I know that the mattter Horn thematically is very close to the Big Thunder Mountain.

But just you know for way times and for functionalities where we're doing them both in a yeah, yeah, okay, so Big Thunder Mountain asterisk. By this time you may be able to do to fast past Guards into the Galaxy Mission formerly next Haunted Mansion Splash Mountain parenthetical. You may have to fast pass this if it's warm. Famously, if it's warm, the flume rides will have a longer way. Yeah, this is why I say that. In the parenthetical all

caps lunch important head over to California Adventure parenthetical. The other part this is the other park asterisk. By this time, you may be able to fast pass in Credit Coaster you may um, okay, next Radiator Springs, Racers, Guardens of the Galaxy and Credit Coaster, and then Big Bracket. Not necessarily in this order for these three depends on fast past reservation time. Yes, that's clear. Um, we've already we've already maxtarted our four fast passes. Though no, that's not

the way. We don't touch. Don't touch this asterisk. Fast past availability oh okay, should be pretty open for everything now except Soren. You may have to wait for Sore in parenthetical worth it. I waited an hour for sore and it was when it was worth it. Asterisk fast Past toy story made way Mania Fast Pass around this time, continually checked for fast Past availability. Uh, there are must These are these ast and I put them in quotes

because they're not really parts of the Caribbean. Sorry Shady, but I don't like it. Buzz light ear, question mark, question right, question mark whatever, fantasy Land stuff, those little trinkets. Yeah, okay, but that's that's that's alex itinerary. And I think you're going to have a great fucking day. And the people that I took with me to my birthday, Joe can Booster, gret A, Title, min etcetera, and it had all been their first time in Disneyland and they will never go

without me. Now, that's what they said. It's my dream to I think I missed my career to be a specifically and stream theme park like planner. I mean, can I say something there's a hole in the market, and have a hole in the market, you have to fill that hole, you know who? I bet it's fun at Disneyland, our guests, our guests. But but one just shook his head. And that makes me feel like maybe not, but I feel like I would crack and right open at Disneyland,

crack it, crack it at Disneyland. I feel like you just love it. But with him from the heads, from the shake of the head, I don't know. Well, we'll get into it. But this is constantly, this is your litmus test for if we can, if we can be from yeah, really connect? Okay, well I we have. You and I have already connected to so many We've already connected people. You and I have already connected. I'm talking about us connecting with our guests. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

We've connected so many ways. You've been directed by one of our guests. Yes, And I was very jealous because this is a this is a director and director of the Millennium, of the Millennium. Sorry, I didn't mean to last. She wins today, she wins the director of the Millennium.

This is this is your up and printed out Papa, your Britney Spears at the Viet Maze when she called when Michael Jackson thought he was getting the Artist of the Millennium award because Britney Spears presenting said I consider him to be the artist of the millennium, and then he Mishurt mistook that to be It was like the video Van Guard Award. You're right, that is the situation. That is what we're saying. We're saying one of our guests is She's Michael and I'm Brittany, which tracks we're

both entire straights. Anyway, Okay, well, these guests are iconic to me, and I even emailed the guests after they did I don't think so, honey, because I'm such a fan. And it was so gagged that they were at and well, this is the gag is that one of our guests was directing, and then in between takes she was like, when are Paul and I coming on? And I was like, I literally said whenever trash. I was talked about Disneyland for two minutes, and I felt I felt really self conscious.

I was like, I've sounded like an idiot of the time, but here's the thing, I still feel connection. I still feel because also Polly Lou was my favorite sketch that what really was and stop stop it it really was. And before you guys came in, we watched Real Housewives of South Boston the same on St. Patrick's Day, watched The St. Patrick's Day and famously, I think the best sketch of all time is one of our guests. No, one of our guests playing Robin from Batman and Robert

and then forget about the mainstream film. They've moved on to baby. Rough Night is what me and my family watched on Thanksgiving and we loved it. And guess who was there? Who One of the stars of the film, Zoey Kravitz not just kidding, was there. He's out there, come over, but past was there? Yea, And she was there. He was not there. He's always invited over too though, um but he No. Mo was filling in for my sister for thanks She came over to the Rogers house.

She's so good and my parents were so taken with her. They were like, we have to watch most movie and that was rough Night and we had a great time. That's beautiful And that was the second time I seen it. Um, never watch movies on planes. I never want movies on planes. But you didn't saw saw rough Nan on a plane. I was like made the whole experience. I was like, you forgot. I was like, do people know how good this movie? Is. I wanted to tell people and I

was like, sir, you have to watch this movie. And it was sir, like the flight attendant. Yes, and he was just hope it wasn't the pilot. He had a job to do. He was he had a job to do. Um, but yeah, he loved him so much. U having no interest in interrupting, no, no, no, no no, no on on we love them so much. Please welcome into your ears. Lucia and Paul here and Pleasure said like, I was like, when are we coming on? This is not this is not just a whim. This is a promise. This is

unbelievable to me. Is a threat. This is a threat coming on and we are coming on and turned on. I believe this such a quick origin. Actually yes, I want to do it. Well, you don't have a comment alours are different, so but they're not. This is no. I well I know, you go ahead, you go ahead. Okay, this is like the version of what we just said, cut it out. Year is I don't know, twenties, Oh my gosh. Lower's side set the scene on set broad City,

broad City, Comedy Central. So I had seen Bowen audition for you know, Sundry Things, Caddy sales clerk part that we had whatever it was for Broad City, so we were I already knew he was coming in, but I didn't know of am right. I just had known him for the audition. But he comes on to set and after the first take. I don't know if you remember this, after the first take, you were so fucking funny. I literally wit said. I came up to you, I having

already met you, and I said who are you? I remember, I truly did that. I said who are you? And then we changed some stuff later in the scene that ended up getting cut that had you in this stretcher in the end, because I was like more more, but it is the same, the same story because I came to set and then she was like, wait till you see that. Truly truly not a joke because I was on set that day and I've heard of you before I saw a take that she was already talking about someone.

Not a joke. I remember. I was just sitting with with with with Um with background people and we were just hanging out and that little pop up space and I saw Paul walk in and I was like, Wow, that's Paul. Double you down and I love and he looked at me and smiled and I was like oh and like and he seems like such a nice person. And then right before I left, right before I right after I wrapped, I made I like, was so this person?

But I went up to Luc She was sitting with with Alana, just a video village, and I went up to them. It was like before I go, but she I just have to tell you, I fucking love real Housetives of South Boston. All right, I decaid, I love Pollylo. I love it was that Boston and then you and then you said um or you said yeah yeah, well like you said like yeah, well thanks a lot or something that you went into the accident. It was like a lovely dropped in and that was the point of arch.

That was the gorge and wow, I mean that was going back from set glowing that day. I was so happy and I went to Rice to Riches to reward myself love Richard. What is it's the right person. You don't have to be okay to Riches. It transcends Rice. But you know that the Laura of Rice Riches, right, No, no, the lore is this well yeah, in the I believe it's the nineties. When it first opened, it was opened

as a mobb front, like laundering money, laundering money. But then the rice pudding was too damn good, and the city was like, it will not go well. It was it was making too much money. It wasn't working as a front because the rice pudding was so good. It is so good, and so it doesn't that help the laundering scheme if you would think, I think it doesn't. I never watched Breaking Bad, Just kidding, this is literally the plot of small time crooks. Yeah, yeah, exactly with

tray think at the network show yeah, bad Girls or whatever. Yeah, we're talking about the Woody film We Are, which you brought us here, just kidding. And so the rice pudding was literally too good. I believe that's what happened. I think they had to buy out the mobsters or something. And so now it's just it exists, pretty clear. That's fun. That's like a victory for food. It is food can be any conquer all who can conquer all food might get us out of this mess where this speaking in

this administration, it's still happening. Is this crazy? I never thought we'd be here. I never thought we'd be here. That's the first time I've ever been said to you know. One of the reasons I really like Happa Hot associate producer Alec is because I came in here just now when he was watching Pete Buddha Judge videos. Wow, that you're with it. Um, that guy's great. We met him very briefly when you did say where we met a like, we just met him. He is great. He's great so far.

So it was like at a backstage of I mean, I don't need to, but because you want to backstage of Larry King. Honey doesn't age well, no, no, you know what doesn't age? Well, Um, well, just that reference because it is Charlie Rose. I think that does age. Well. He looks as great and he's sharp as hell. Yeah, he actually doesn't age at all. I feel like he's been as you know. Yeah, he's constantly like in that like kind of like what's the boss from the Simpsons.

Smiths is the assistant Mr Burns. Mr. He's like in Mr Burns like eternally ancient, yes, but always with That's the thing. He can never look worse, you know, so exactly, he's really Yeah, he likes set his image at like eighty and they were like, this is like chic for you, right, so they've preserved him, yes, which which we love. Um oh my god. I we really were just on a fun polly little kick or a little little viewing already on. You guys were like that was like above average, Like

that was like the early days of above average. I was also a channel partner, but like they didn't make our videos, but they seemed to make a lot of yours, and I was like, well, it's because they're really fucking good. Thanks. That was a fun time, It really was. It was like we had just moved to l a um and we just got to make stuff in this all and we're actually like now trying to get back to that place of just being able to be like, here's a fun,

dumb idea. We want to just go make it and it doesn't mistakes and it's just for us and it was a really it was fun. And you know, actually I think Allana produced some of those Real Housewives because she was staying with us at the time of pitching Broad City, sleeping on our couch and truly like holding a boom yeah yeah, yeah, like being like okay, she was a ding as well, like it was. It was very but it was a really fun time to be I believe that too. Yeah, oh yeah, that is a thing. Though.

It's like as as your careers like start to get bigger and like things get more, you kind of do you lose the opportunity to just do whatever the fuck And that's then you kind of are like, oh, I missed that time. But also at that time you were fully I was waiting tables and like doing miserable, like how am I going to like find my next check? But also you did have freedom to do kind of

whatever the fuck. Yeah, and I think I think it makes you braver too, because there's tho eyeballs, it's like whatever, you know, I missed that time for that, right, And I don't know, does it will it like loop background to that kind of weird? It wasn't weird. It was like a great time of just like all this stuff sort of whatever whatever was. I don't know. I always think to myself, like, are people that are super successful, are they actually able to do whatever they want? Like?

Because but no, I don't think so. Well. I think it depends because sometimes you look at I don't know sometimes and this doesn't happened now for years. But I remember I used to watch like Ben Stiller at the Oscars and I was like, no, he didn't ask anybody. He's just doing this thing. And I'm not I'm asking no judgment good or bad. I'm just like he's doing whatever he wants, you know. So I think sometimes you get permission, but but I don't know, but you gotta

be Stiller. Yeah, I've got to. Unfortunately Stiller, Well, I mean one of like the and correct me if I'm wrong. But I feel like the like the prevailing narrative of Broad City, especially when it first started out, was that it was like especially the writer's room was just like pretty like it was just like self taught. It was these people who like came together and they were just like, well,

figure this out together. And then it ended up being this thing that like broke open all these just it just it just like was so new and so cool and like that was what ended up sort of giving it its identity and like and like Chris was saying the other day that it was a lot of stories from your life about like being like being in New York and being young, and like all of them, every single every single thing happened to either one of us or somebody we know, or something that happened to all

of us, you know, and that kind of made it feel like, oh, this is our story, has to be other people's story and set it. And I was true of the in the room too. People would be like, oh, I got locked out in this, and they're like, I got locked out in the I got locked out in this. So every one had those twenties bobo stories. Yeah. I do think that's why people were like, oh, yeah, that is New York because it really was. Yeah, it's like

a like a surreal like that scene was it. She takes some sort of like drug and then she's like having like a full she has like a full day and she sees that like this is season one. I think, yeah, him, Okay, that like really struck to to me, just like having one cold brew. It was like that's me. That's me with a little bit of caffeine. Like creatures like and I'm in ye and you have painted on eyebrows. Yeah

for some reason. Yeah, but actually that from that episode, that crack thing that cooks, Yeah, she cooked once for Yeah, she made me. We had to work one so she ate it. Yes, it was like, I'm so high. I went to bed. We woke up the next day to go shoot something. I'm going to back up even a

little more before we actually did. So I ate it, and then I was going to go watch Paul do a show Gentrify remember and so, but I was so absolutely out of my mind because she she actually had me do was actually eat weed, like actual weed that she baked into it, but like you're just eating weed, but she has the name was the name for um oh shoot, I should know it. But it's denser than edible though, like those things can get crazy. She was laughing,

but also crimes. Would I forget what you did? Something happened and there was this moment of silence and I was like what she was like the crowd? She was out of it. I had like leave early, took her home, she went to bed, and then she woke up. The next day we were making a short and I was like I had been like for like a year, being like Paul, I want to be in front of the camera too, and so finally he was like, Okay, let's

do it. And so we'd written a short that I was going to be in and we woke up the next morning to be in that short so high, and she woke up and she said, oh no, I'm still so high from the thing that she serves Abby in that episode. And then you had that experience. You cannot just sunk around with edibles. I swear to God one time I had an edible that was like cooked by someone at work and like it was like a brownie, and I thought, oh, I mean, it's like Alex who cares?

And I ate it? And I when I tell you, I remember I ate it at work. I worked at Brooklyn Crab in Red Hook Um and we went to this restaurant like probably in Go honest, and I remember I like sat down and ordered food, took one step of my red wine, and was like, oh, I have to leave right now or I'll die. And I remember I left, like and I lived pretty close around there.

I somehow made it to my apartment. I remember thinking like seven or eight times I have to lay face down on the street right like I finally get there, laid in my bed, but I realized I didn't want to lay It's like the kind of high where you're like you don't know whether you want music on not down, walk around what happens in the Wizard of Oz the Tornado, and it felt like a giant picked up my bedroom and through it and I was projectile and I was like,

this is inedible, this is marijuana. Yeah, Alex, Alex, And now he's the GM in that placed you up when

you swing by. We have a toxic relationship. I love the institution crap, but but but it's that thing of like what we were both servers together and he did the shitty thing one time where like it was like almost ten pm in the restaurant was closing, and like at nine pm a table walked in and he said to the host, just don't give me that table, and she was scared of him, so she gave it to someone else, and I was like, you're a piece of ship.

I was like that sucks. Like I really got in his face and was like you suck to work with. You're not like like this is really like that was funked up what you did. And I see it and like I'm not afraid of you. And then he became GM. Okay, and that's why you just keep your mouth shut at your restaurant job, because it's just a job. But I always got like very involved socially at my restaurant jobs,

really service jobs. I think everybody does. I mean for me, that happened, like everybody right after we would end, especially it was a weekend, would immediately go and spend half the money they just made on drinks. And then to be like this weird little circle of like who was going to hook up with who? It became a community. Yeah did you wait tables? Oh? Yeah, I did too,

You did too? Yeah. I waited at UM Tavern on the Green Wow and UM one Central Park South in the Plaza Hotel where you don't get tips because it's all like tourists, you know, it's like European tourists, And so I did not make mine. I thought it would make a ton there, and I know those like nice restaurants off in their traps, yes, oh yeah for the people working in them. Yeah. If you think it's gonna be oh, it's gonna be great tips, and it's really

not there. I were there for a summer, and then I worked at Tavern for a summer, and I it was like a hundred degrees in New York in the summer and you have to wear like a tuxedo in in the outdoors. So I one day at the end of my shift walked off with a tuxedo never went back. I was like, yeah, but you kept I did I have like a mint green very short tuxedo jacket. Yeah, anybody wants to borrow I think it could be I

should wear it to something. You really should. And also I remember justifying having like bizarre clothes because like it's a prop. Please the amount of the amount of bizarre props we have. Do you know that we have a storage container in Hollywood Stord unit unit amazing, give us give us a little walk through. Well, okay, it had to be condition because of the wigs. I didn't want the wigs melting or getting flat, so air conditions. It's actually real culture number nine three, ta take care of

your wigs, truly truly. Um, what's what's what's How do you individually contain them? Because Cold does the donut boxes, the edemand cakes. He's serious and he has like very expensive and ours are like ours are containous store plastic case like like tough. You know, you're kind of just in there. But they're like a little little bag. You know. We try. Yeah, you know what, case we have to go back to sketch, have to get to toe. They also have a huge spin and I refused to get

rid of it for that reason. I think I have like a few bags of like mint green tuxedos and like wigs that I'll never use, but I won't give

him away. Three prop guns just just problematic. Yeah, did you ever travel to sketch festivals and like like of course every sketch in like two thousand nine had guns, And yeah, well I had a I had I was doing a my second solo show, Sad Sentence, my second solo show it used to be and full blown downs, full blown downs, yes, thank you, And I had a suitcase full of props, which included a gun, a soft dildo, a baby doll, all kinds of things like very very

very because the baby you wanted it to look like a real baby, so it was very I got it. I got it, I got it, I got it. Go on and it was scary like it was for you know, I don't even know who buys these things. It's it's like people who don't have babies and they want like a and we went, we did the show, such a smash it's such a huge success that we went out afterwards. We had some food um and our favorite restaurant now closed.

And when we got back to the place we were staying, I realized I left that suitcase with everything in the cab and we had a I had a show in l A. I appreciate the we Yes, we had a show. We had to come back to LA to do it in in l A. So I had to track down I got the receipt. I googled till I found a PDF of a spreadsheet like taxi medallion's. Found this person's name and number, called his home whatever his home it

called his home, called his home home. I had to go through three people until somebody who spoke English was like, oh, you're looking for my uncle. He dropped your suitcase in Williamsburg at the police station or in green Point. I went there, and when I went there, they were like they went back and they had everything in evidence backs because it was like weird ass, like totally, and I was like, Okay, this is only half of it. Where's the rest. I need my wigs, and I need my

and I need my MTV Europe teacher. And they were like the rest of it was sent to evidence holding in Queens. This was the most we had to go to Queen's. We went to an evidence like storage locker which they were closing because by the time we got there it was I took hours to get there. It was really hard. But he got mostly all of it back. I got almost all of it back. Remember what was missing? But like what you didn't get back? I think it was some imagin and of sky. I think it was

MTV j Mber. I remember I wigs might it'll it'll, it'll round the corner again, It'll come full circle, will come back. It's like fascism. It'll be like so instil popular like whenever anyway, Um, that was sad whenever Bone whenever, whenever Bone is like stressed out at work. I'm like, we'll just remember it's wigs. Like that's good, that's good. But no, that's being so reductive because Jody's okay, we'll

cut that part out. Um we love joy. Um. Okay, So listen here on this Culture Recess, we do ask a question of our guests, and that question guys asked each and every episode, and it is a special question, is what is the culture that made you say culture? Is for you. So this is the pop culture or formative culture in your life that you feel looking back, you were like, okay, that's why I am this ready. WoT yeats road Rules whoa okay road Rules and not

real world? Why not? Why not real world? Okay, real world? Great? Love it it me in and I'm grateful for that, thank you. But road Rules showed me the world, because the world that's exactly right until it went to London and then when we're opening the world but still we're still closed now, road Rules showed me. It showed me anything I've never been to, you know, Tucson, Arizona. I'd

never been to the Caribbean. I had never been to these places the world well, because it expanded the world, um, and so I really felt like I was able to see the see the world through the eyes of people who were older than me, but not dramatically older than me.

And they were like fumbling and dumb and like falling in love and doing stupid things and getting drunk and making out in hot tubs, which was like, sounds good, but they were all hot, beautiful people, and but they were also I don't know if I felt like showing me the world in a way that felt like documentary

without being boring. Um, and I loved it, and I became obsessed with road Rules, and I would like where I grew up, Western Massachusetts has a lot of colleges, and so this was really at the height of Road Rules, which was when I was like in you know, middle school and high school. And so a lot of the people from Road Rules would do speaking tours afterwards, yes exactly, Ums or Smith College where the Hampshire. They would It depends on who they were, like, um, you know, some

people would talk about drinking problems, q whatever. It was their specific like the way they got in their narrative was then what they would continue to talk about, but in a way that actually was cool. And I would go and like watch watch them and sometimes like you know, talk to them afterwards if I could or whatever. Um. So it became this like socratic thing for you like really like I was going to say, and you know, if we want to take it a step further, and

we do we do well. I don't know about the

last step. And then the next step was that. Um. When I went to college, I kind of thought what I was going to do with my life was, um, try to create something that was in the realm of road Rules and that it would kind of explore youth culture around the world, because I was fascinated by it, and I wasn't exactly We never left my town, like I traveled a fair amount, but not as extensively, I guess as I would have liked to, And so I really thought I was going to end up doing something

that was I guess. It turned out to be vice, so they got me there, but I really was really excited about that. That's like kind of what I thought I was going to do. And I you know, it wasn't exactly like comedy or directing or performing or anything obviously, which I got to later, but um, but that is really actually what I thought I was going to do with my life, and it was kind of inspired by my love of road Rules. They also like road Rules

and and also real world. What I appreciate about them is they also exposed like a lot of LGBTQ people before anyone else, Like of course, there's like famously and iconically Pedro, and that was also like an important like step in the Aids story, I think huge, but also there every season and I'd be actually curious to watch it again now because I want to know how much of a straight gaze we're seeing it through and how much it holds up. But just like the representation period

of and I guess like famously Karamo too. Now he was the real World, yes, and the narrative around him in his season of the Real World was like, what do you mean this like straight seeming black guy is gay And that's like I'd be interested to see it now.

But I remember like the two straight like white meat heads were like what but um, But it was like, I guess important for many people like those two dudes to see someone like this, and that is I guess what I really liked about those shows in the beginning. And then it felt kind of like or you're just like putting a bunch of different people together that you know we're going to fight, because that's ratings. But it

was important was Las Vegas was a turning point. Las Vegas was it's actually real culture number one hundred and three, Las Vegas was turning point. But prior to that, and that was the tricous But prior to that, it was actually just a bunch of interesting people who were figuring it out and then we're like weird types. And then after that it just became a season one was like indie film of real real world, right, and then it became like don't they have like X come in now

and that there's no gimmicks like physically fighting. It's become much more gladiator and it's like we found a racist and someone black. We're going to put them in a house and see what happened. It's very crazy. But road rules and bikes that was It did add that travel element, like it is like for me growing up like similar, like my world was pretty small. I would imagine stayed in western western Massachusetts a lot because I was on Long Island like all the time. We never went to

anywhere except Orlando. But um, seeing the world was like, wow, that's kind of interesting that there's a whole big world out there. And then the challenge to challenge. You watched the challenge I did. I was I was a little lesson to the chuge but but of course I watched my kidding if this is like a comedian famous comedian, now, I think so what right? I think just but like but like you has a website that's like a comedy dot com Yeah, look it up. Oh my god, that's

a good one. I see, like I never watched but didn't have but like you didn't have cable, but I had had a general awareness of these things. But they're the only the only thing I have to add to this conversation is that, um, there was such a cultural locus of a moment when people making out in hot tubs was like the coolest thing at the end could possibly see on TV. I mean that was that was Tchelle and Stephen and that was Remember there was like a pregnancy scare. Yeah, that was a good one. That

was auditioned for that season. And I think Chris Kelly also, turns out also auditioned for that season. So Chris Kelly was almost the gay on the season, the actually the best friend. Of course I would have been, Yeah, that's my origin, so they would have season one or the other two. Yeah. I didn't get that far. I did in person, Yes I did. In person. I didn't get

very far. But my thing I had, like my because I you know, it was well versed in this, and so I came in with like, here's my point, here's my what makes me unique. I think I just turned eighteen. Okay, yes, and soon at the moment that struck, that struck absolutely, I was like, Okay, I mean I don't need to get into my whole story. But I dropped out of high school and got my g E D. But then I was a freshman. I was my first year of Columbia.

I got transferred in. I played tennis. But I was also like, but I'm also a virgin, like all these things I was going, I was like, a smart virgin. Great, yeah, yeah. I was like, you just don't know with me, and that was kind of my thing, and I didn't get I didn't get very far. You know when I first met Legia. Honestly, maybe the first few months I knew you. She auditioned to be a j and MTV. I'd gotten kind of far on that one. Yeah. I remember we met in the day and had a drink and you

were going to yeah, yeah, that one. I originally did send in a tape and then I got called in a bit, but they kept being like, you need to be like a little more excited and a little bit more like a beat, and I was like, that's not what I'm starting to tell you something. They were I also unditioned to be a j and they told me to tone it down because I was like, come on, guys, I was just like I was like I saw on my natural Like they tell me this in every single audition.

They're like, cool, now do it normal? So insane? He would have been amazing duo. Honestly, that would have been good. What a funny the other two? That's good. That's right, the other two should be. Let's talk off Mike about what the other two should be. Oh my god, is this speaker stuff post right after like the Simon Rex Sarah of things. This was like Simon R. Rex but right around when his solo tape came out. Yeah, this is right around like a fund hole Simon Rex inspiration

for a broad City storyline. Yea, like a fantastic arc. I can take very little credit. I can't take any really for that, except for except but you guys. But I mean a lot of that stuff was like was just like Simon Rex, like on a pool float and then they just had tray on a pool. Yeah, I was like on towels and yeah, yeah, I believe he was on his back in a towel. Yes, he was on his back in his towel outside of the pool

and like sort of like disassociating. Yeah, they're like, oh, this is sad, but I'm still Yeah, it was the Native American thing where like his soul was being taken. Yeah, they were right about that with him. Yeah, okay, let's me want to Paul Paul for you. Wow. I think honestly, um, the thing that I used to watch that I think no one when I was like thirteen watched was absolutely fabulous. That was my thing. What was it about? It? Was it just like like I think this is funny, and

I don't know why. I think the specific thing was I was like I don't get it. I love it, you know, and that the audience was so into it, and even just in the translation of the language, I was like, what are they talking about? But I knew I liked the energy, and I knew I liked it, and I was like I wanted to be in and you know, there are certain things that you get of you get like Saffie you get you know, you get

Saffie and Patsy, you get their dynamics. So it's clear I wasn't like, you know, yeah, fully out, I got some of it, and I was like I understood, but yeah, I think that was it. Yeah, there are those things like that, like it's like you want to hear it, but you don't know why or watch it. I say here because mine was. I would listen to Margaret Show stand up albums without understanding a single, but I knew

that it was for me. I was like, I know this joke about like, but sex is for me, even though I'm I don't know yet, right, but sex is you know. I just was like, it's those things that you connect to when you're like why and I do you think? How did you hear about that? Well? It was on Comedy Central and I used to watch Comedy Central and I would watch like Premium Roast or whatever

the stand upers were. And I mean back then it was like it was like paul A pound Stone and it was just like I feel like comedy was very weird and I watched that a lot. I watched Channel thirty two, you know, and that was one of the things that they played. So I think it was also like way after probably it was ever on in the UK, you know, because then they would do marathons. They would have marathons of a weekend it was just that. So

I think it was like the first thing I binged ever. Yeah, um, binging has been happening for a long time because that was a thing like on like mtvv H one where there'd be whole weekends where just top model would be on the Like that was like that was like remember SPU marathons. Oh yeah, and you could just plant and then you would I can watch all of that, yeah, because it's easy and that that there is like an argument for like that quote unquote easy television to watch.

Like everyone's like, oh, hold, like this is like easy to write or whatever, but it's like, no, that's fun and television like that's procedural, it's you know the procedure. Yeah yeah, yeah yeah yeah. And also sitcom a situation comedy. We know the situation. It's clear, we can see it. This is actually I'm happy you're listening to this podcast, which is what is to comes. Yeah, we should let people know, which we should let people know. Um Alec

is leaving. So what about this conversation turns you off? Yeah, go speak. I can't comedy. These normals like comedy either. I really don't watch a lot of comedy though. I watch only some we've been watching. We have been watching lately. The comedy is changing, comedy is changing all the time.

But Chris and Zrich human and they were like the last thing we wanted to do when we would go home from shooting the other two or just even writing it was just watching watching the comedy, seeing the production behind the word. Absolutely when we were just watched all the Hunger Games movies, because like how do we escape and watch the things? Yes, because that kind of thing. The rare times we would watch like a comedy or whatever, I'd look at this coverage. How much time did they have?

I don't get that much time? Ye know what I think about Sometimes it's like literally like whenever there's a small character, I'm like, yeah they booked that. I think of the audition, like being on set and I'm like, I wonder how nervous that actor, like a small roll and anything. I always like I'm here, Yeah, I can see that actor kind of being like like I don't know, I just see the work. Yeah, totally in a way, and also like um, I wonder what take of that

that was, Like how they got there? Yeah, I mean, like god, it's a curse to be working in the ind I can't enjoy things anymore. But I mean it is like it's not this, it's not an aversion or anything. It's just a fatigue. Probably for me, it's like I go home literally. And what Chris and Sarah said was that they put on a housewives and housewives we heard there's and it was a lot of housewives which we

don't watch. And I have to be honest, Sorry, I don't mean to interrupt your that I have this feeling where I I don't really watch so I have seen him here and there. If you say the names, I know Bethany, I know who during days, but I don't like no, no, you know, we don't want don't know. And it's I'm not asking, I guess for you guys to convince me, because IOUs it's like I don't need to be convinced. But um why, I just feel I'm just trying to like No, no, you are asking us

why we like it. No, I guess a little bit why you like it? Slash, How does it not come off as feeling like exploitative of women who are maybe a little I'm happy you asked that I was very anti the housewives, like and even the Kardashians. I was like, I sort of get why people like it, but the Housewives felt to me like, oh, you're just like taking women who are like bored and potentially sad and maybe even have like alcohol issues, and you're hinting them against

each other. It's reductive, flat out without having seen it, like our friends Suity like fucking loved it. But then I watched it and I was like, actually, that's those are not often the narratives like if they have an issue with alcohol, it's the friends all like concern might have an issue with alcohol, And like, is it from I convincing you at all? I'm genuinely just curious. Yeah, I'm curious. I I thought I thought of house Lives

in those terms as well before I started watching. And then and I'm still not fully like mired and it like they're like you might be or christ and Sarah might be. But I thought, Wow, this is such a dumb show, dumb thing, and why am I interested in?

These women are humor less? But then you watch it and like in the like you see like these little slice of life things and then they're just you're just like, oh, like they have these nuanced thoughts too, and they're sharing them and they're like going about their lives like I'm not sure like where their money is going to come

from now. It's like it's like these are like I like its psychologically psychologic because sometimes it's like to see these women who are experiencing this like heightened life, the way they react to each other and like interact with each other, I'm like, that's so interesting that you would call her that, And it's like, you know, I mean our activist with and I think they are such characters and they look for that that it's like I just haven't seen anyone like Sonia Morgan ever in my life,

and so I am fascinating and do think it's funny. And then it's it is a question that am I laughing at her or with her? And I think actually Chris brought this up the other day or sorry I brought this up in the room. It's like it's it's both,

it switches off between both. And my thing is it's a blueprint for conflict or or intimacy in which in terms of like you're seeing people be friends in ways in all these different ways, and you're like, I'm not going to be I'm not going to be a friend like derindas to Sonja, or I am going to be a friend like Bethany is to Remoan. It's like, you see these little examples. Just by example, you're like, oh, I I like what's going on here. I don't like what's going on in here, And I can pick and

choose for myself. And then the saying goes for the for when people get into fights, I'm like, oh, they're dealing with this horribly or they're actually going with this very well. And it's sort of like it gives you a full tapestry of like I found something positive about it just now. Sometimes when I watch it, I'm more like, I'm like, I'm gonna tell this person that I'm that

I'm thinking something because I just saw it. Like it puts me in the space to be not like it doesn't drive conflict in me, but it's like, when I see this person later, I'm gonna just flat out tell them and see if they respond respond. And honestly, I think from watching that show it has encouraged me to say what I think and feel a little to honest in your relationship. Honestly, yes, that's good and that's positive for me. Do you feel you guys are honest in

all your relationships? I mean, yeah, no, I don't like confrontation, but I mean I feel like I'm but I do feel like because I always just think when I watch a sitcom, I'd always be like, just tell them what you did, you know, like Joe, we tell Chandler you drank it all, you know. I'd always feel like, just be honest and then you can get it, you know what I mean. Like, so that always used to be a bump for me with like I Love Lucy, I'd be like, just tell you want the firm. You know,

we can cut this off. You can get you know, which I know is not you have se for coming conflicts for all of these things. For I love the friends, you want for down friends, yeah, him, but boiled boil it down for ab fab like because I truly this is bad me, bad media diet yea, I truly. Besides, like Jennifer Saunders, I'm like, I don't really know what else the shows around. So I think it's actually based on a real publicist in the UK, and it was originally a sketch because I also then once I found

out about them. I started watching French and Saunders sketches, which I had to get on VHS because it's like, you know, I don't know this, this is you know, it's bad. It wasn't you know, um and Don French and Jennifer Saunders were a comedy team and it did really funny. That stuff was easy to because it was sketch.

It was easy to you know, relate to. It was very accessible no matter what, whereas ab fab was like weird, like um rich posh English Colin Park references and you were like, you know, it was very hard to access as you know a thirteen year old kid. But um, but yeah, So it's it's this woman who's like single mom, doesn't want to be a mom, loves to drink, has a best friend. It's kind of it's kind of like

Broad City. It's like two women who were best friends and like get into trouble all the time and should not be parents and you know your mothers. Yeah, just just Jennifer Saunders is the mother to Saffie, who's like a very type a buttoned up daughter, um the daughters like them, who's always looking down on her and her best friend Patsy, who get drunk and do drugs and go crazy and little life success. They do tons of drugs, they do cocaine, they go yeah, um, they're constantly drunk.

I think Patsy smokes and falls asleep wasted and burns down the house in one episode, you know yeah yeah, um did that answer the questions? I don't know. That's the that's the dynamic of the show is two best friends who are get into a lot of trouble to a lot of trouble. And I also think it's a thing of like big, broad characters, which I think we all kind of saw like growing up, like for example,

Austin Powers. Yeah, I fucking lived for Austin. Yeah. I loved how broad it was, how all the characters were like stupid and big and even Ron Burgundy. I love that ship. And now I feel like, DoD they do that anymore? No they Miranda things. Yeah yeah, but that would didn't break through like a mainstream Yeah, nice show. So I feel like now even the stuff that I respond to, like I love like Summer Heights High. I mean, but I was like, I don't think that's what you're

looking for. But Summer Hights High was Summer Hight sigh, and most recently Pan fifteen summerhightid for me now, and I'm like, these are the things that are h there there because the performances are so anthropological and subtle and good. It's so real, even though the steaks are crazy heightened and it's insanely broad for two adult women to play children, or for Mr g or for Jamay to be like a a thirty five year old man who's playing like

a girl who's dating a seven year old boy. Those seems he's like breaking up with her like seventh grade boyfriends. I'm like, because you for what, you forget, you forget. They disappear into those characters, even even an angry boys. Um, just him playing that, just the fucking Japanese lady. I didn't forcing her son to be even I never thought I never had a problem with him doing anything, honest and that is of course my place to say honestly, and like, this is just me, like did not fully

hate him playing an Asian? I was like, this is funny. Also, your favorite sketch character ever is of course MS. I don't know about that, but I've defended her on a couple okay, but I don't know and it was whatever, we don't think you did, but I brought that. I missed that like because it really doesn't happen that much, and I come back, I think it will. I think right now we're in this moment of important, you know what I mean. It's like everything on TV if it's

not like, uh, sort of you know. This is why I loved Unbreakable Kimmi Schmidt. I loved the big characters, and I love jokeoke joke joke jokes. Actually like that. It feels like you get that and it's like out there, And this is why I love the other two. Actually is it feels like a combination of these two things. It's like heavy jokes in the script meets interesting characters with the point of view we haven't seen, um, but in the supporting characters are big and fun like that.

But it feels like a combination between that sort of Tina Face type sensibility of there's jokes everywhere and also this sort of girl's insecure type thing where it's like it's a comedy because someone smiles every now and then, right right, just something Chris said the other day which I thought was funny. Um, but it's a fusion of that.

I think that is looking for in television, which I think also has right, but yes, the other two for sure is hard comedy but also has that seriousness and groundedness and heart heart and also and like I don't know if you two would ever just like cop to this, but like I feel like Pentofteen exists probably because Broad City exists. I would say, like broad City changed, it changed so much, and like thank god it did in like panofteen, Like I'm just like yeah, like I'm like

I don't know. I'm not saying like it needed one thing in order to exist or be this thing, but it's like it evolved out of this model, this mental model for people to be like, oh well this succeeded in some iteration before and so let's do it and thank god and now it's like and Pentofteen is honestly this show that like is totally not concerned with prestige. Same goes for broad City, of course, but it's like, it's not it's just about the jokes in the situations

and the characters in their relationships. Like that is what is that? Fair? Tot? Thanks, I mean cool, I mean I think we all stand on the shoulders of giants. But you know, there's there's stuff that I think we watched that make us feel like that's you know, like it was it for Strangers with candy, you know, like would we even be able to make something that, yeah, like that was that hard comedy? I don't know. I

think I think that's true. I think, you know, there is like this zeitgeist evolution that things have treated into each other. But I think more than anything, what I respond to when I watched Pen fifteen is something that I think it's almost subconscious. And it was true of Broad City season one, which was what you guys were talking about before, which is it was a lot of kids without a teacher in the classroom making things up.

And um, I think season one certainly of Broad City, and I don't know about Pen fifteen, but we had probably the least amount of notes we ever had because it was like, well maybe worrying to think, you know, no one really knew and so there wasn't a lot of cooks in the kitchen, and there wasn't a lot of like um meddling, you know what I'm there was just like, go try this thing, and when it works, then there are more eyeballs on it and there's more

consideration and it becomes a different thing. But pen fIF team does feel to me like they're doing something that tickles them and it's very very distinct and specific and the point of view is like their own. And I don't know, you can feel that there's no adults, you know, it just feels like it just feels so fun. That's great. And that's the thing too, is like when you see the work because you because you do that work, you can also kind of see when something's been watered down,

I mean, and that sucks. And I think now being aware of that, I go easier on like the creators of that thing because I'm like, well, that wasn't there for you know. That's the thing. I feel like edges can be rounded off so much because especially the more money that's invested in something that more people are like, let's make sure it works and it's good. And I

think intention is always right. You know. We always look for the note behind the note when we hear a note, but when it has that much money, people become risk averse and they have to protect their thing to extent and that means that unfortunately, I think a lot of the best stuff is risky. Yeah, and so it's like you can either invest very little or a lot or whatever, but no matter what it is, just make it a risk.

I think it's more interesting, absolutely fail I think in some ways, the fact that there's so many more platforms and there's so many more offerings you can still be risky. Yeah, right, And we've talked about this with christ and Sarah. It's also harder to break through because there's you know, there's so much going on, and also Trump's on the news constant. There's nothing pieces about television anymore. But um yeah, Trump.

The fact that Trump is everywhere might lead us towards what we were saying, like that kind of like idea of just not more broad because broad isn't necessarily better, but like bigger, sillier comedy or like just like things that exist because they want to exist in a way, and not like things that are trying to be trying to say something. Yeah, I think that, like the I think particually there could be a rise of morom coms. Yeah, it's like fantasy. I think we're looking for an escape. Truly.

We notting Hill was on and we like I didn't stop watching it. That's not like we hadn't seen it, but it's like, you just want that right now. I want people to make mistakes, fumble through and then do the right thing. You know, I missed them. I loved isn't it romantic? It was fun, it was great, and it was so fun, really fun watching when Harry met sal and it was like, this is so nice, right, you are the third person who's told me that in the last two weeks, when Harry met Sally is having

like a moment. I'm just like reading a bunch of Nora from stuff. I'm just reading the old books and I'm like one of the giants, one of the giants that we Scott. How good was Meg Ryan's? I mean still, but you see, I'm also like, are there people like Meg Ryan? Yes, I'm sure there are, but I'm like, wow, she was just so good and did so We watched Baby Boom recently, and that's another one that you're like, oh, of course, yan Ke yankey hats, gloves and shoes. You

know that she's thinking. But when you watch her and something like that, you're like, she did so much with with in a scene where there's no, oh my god, how funny and good. And that's another thing about noticing the work is you can also notice when the work

is really fucking good. Yeah, it's really easily to someone like Meg Ryan, just like that is someone you could take for granted because she makes it look so easy, like Meg Ryan and her prime Like and when Harry met Sally, you don't just you can't just learn how to be that charming. You know, that's a movie star. Yea, literally wasn't. She like, did not have any acting training, came out of journalism school and was like, I guess I'll try. I didn't know that. Yeah, She's like, I'll

audition for commercials. Is how I make money? Commercial And then like people were like, who's that. Let's make her a start damn And she had it from the beginning. Have you ever seen French Kiss? Okay, no, this is one that I have to see. I heard, I heard nothing but amazing. French Kiss is so good? Okay, what is it? What is so And when some people think it's broad because um, Kevin Klein is in it and he's playing French, but I'm like, that's great. Here's the premise.

She's afraid of flying. She her fiance goes to Paris, m meets a woman and breaks it off. So she gets on a plane with someone who is this like French um cad tramp smuggler and because of a little mix up with their bags and intentional mix up and they become kind of like a duo as she tries to get back her fiance and he helps sort of navigate it is so let me get you can't you can't. I love that, Like I miss Meg, Ryan, Julia Robert,

Sandra Bullock in those types of movies. Not that they shouldn't do whatever they want, but like, yeah, I do, Like I need that scene of someone telling someone what they mean to the high stakes environment with people watching, Like that scene at the end of the Proposal when Ryan Reynolds comes in and there's actually a really bad continuity error, and that's so much I see every single time. Like her hair, her hair is fully style. Person is so upset right now if it's at the end, maybe

it is a reshoot. She's like, what are you doing here? It cuts to him and then it cuts back to her and she's like, got a full spray to him, you know. Fun so different, This is like a drop, but I'm going to do it. We did some reshoots for Rough Night, and we did a screening and m one of our characters had cut her all of her hair off, so she was wearing a wig for a couple of the shots. But it was such a good and expensive wig you could not tell unless you're RuPaul.

And he was at the screening screen and he was like, um, the one scene, Jillian's in a wig, and we were like, yeah, He's like, it's good. He complimented it. He did say it was good. He said, no one else will notice but me, But I just want to make sure it's like I was pretty sure. Angel. They're eating pizza, deciding want to do pretty soon after the day, and yeah, there's just one little line we needed to bridge at the wedding. At the end, I think she might be yes.

And that's the very end it does. I've noticed that wigs happen a lot in those ending scenes, like I legally blond, Like at the end of the movie where this one is in this like egregious wig, do you know what I'm talking about? At the graduation and it does this in the front, it's this insane middle that's a different color. She's just had and it's just like the way she's lit. She looks so different and it's just so funny. But it is like egregious. Yeah, I think, God,

I just love that movie. I really do. Very sweet. No, but like Elliott came on and I was just like, God, what a good fucking I just like, bring it up when there's any peripheral connections. And also that is the cast. I mean, what a dream? Can I drop? Can I drop up? Now? Yes? Um Alana Angel on this Earth was just talking to Zoe at this Christmas party away is at and she goes, Bowen, you should meet Zoe.

You met Zoe, I met I met Zoe. When when when Momoah hosted, of course it was it was literally the whole game was Momoa fucking Lisa Leny what in the dressing room? And then I had to run with monologue changes and I was like, hey, Jason, so so it's between these two jokes, like we gotta make one cut,

So between these two what do you like? I've told you this right, And Lisa was like, it's got to be this one you make you make the Hawaiian god joke and then and then I was like yeah, yeah, no, you know, Hahwaiian got and then Lenny's like, what's what's going on? Oh yeah that one there? They were always funny where she really gets it truly, he really understands, like people will think this is funny in a way that I should have as much gone. And she is

the director. She watched an early cut and there were some things that were that didn't make it, and she was like, this joke in this joke you need to put in. And we were like, I'll tell you what, We'll try to test it. And we did and we did testing and they were they both were huge and we were like you were you were so right. Really has a she's smart, she's smart, she's funny. I love her her angels. She used to call them my angels.

They are angels. I love them, we both. I mean, honestly, could not have been luckier to have those women other they're still in a text chain. They're like they're really Yeah, I think I believe you can ask her. Kate carried around a picture of all of them. Yes, I think she has. I think she maybe in her wallet still does, who knows. It was really paraphernally in her office, like you so bought the bond between them. I was like,

I could just watch them to a whole more. To Me More is an icon and hot me Actually also at Sundance and Demi Moore was coming in and I was so good for Demi Moore to common and let me tell you what happened. So I'm interviewing to Me More along with Jessica Williams um ed helms and Karen Sony was on Miracle. Oh my gosh. Yeah, he's so great. And they're all uh in this movie together, which is

called Corporate Animals. It's coming out soon. It was at Sundance and it's basically about like this uh, you know, corporate bunch of people that work together, and Demi Moore is like the head of this company and they go on like a corporate retreat and they end up they're like a guy dies and it becomes like a cannibalism situation. It's a very heightened comedy. So they're all wearing these Like Demi Moore comes in, She's wearing all these fun clothes.

She's like here to promote her comments. So I'm like doing my bit with her. I'm hosting for Vulture and I'm i say to her, you know you're the most iconic crier in cinema history because you famously slayed and Charlie's Angels full throttle when you said I was never good. I was great and shot the thing and shot the single tear, and also said in Ghosts, you beautifully iconically cried just from the center of your eye, no face crack, just one gorgeous tear. Ditto and then and then no,

that wasn't that, But it was that. No, it wasn't it was it was It wasn't. It was not you. You're thinking of the end with the different part she cries in the end, not with the don't do that, Oh my god. Anyway, So basically I tell her this, that woman took off her sunglasses, her tinted prescription classes and she cried right, no, oh my god. She was underrated. Under She came to the set and it was like, I'll do whatever. I'll do whatever. We're like, okay, you're

gonna be eating Zoe out. She's like, great, can you dig a little trench so I can get She gets she had a dig a freaking trench. She could get down in there. Is Hi came in fully was like Okay, I'm just she's dick guy coming with a full on spray tan dark. It was they are so that it was windy as hell. I was so I was stressed out in Miami. It was not a hand movie in New York. You know, when you want Miami, you're shoot in New York. And then there was a little there

was a lot of drama in terms of production. Anyways, we're gonna skip it. We're gonna skip it. We skip the drama, skip the drama. Shot that in the Hamptons. It's windy, it's cold, it's not really summer anymore. And they came and they didn't didn't complain at all. He had to get on a planet, truly, it wasn't overnight. Got right in a plane from minor family right like five am, flew right back. I mean, these these everybody

never complained and talk about their job. PRIs. I'll tell you what Scarlett was like, how long we had a scene where she had to read a letter and cry. She was like when because there was no one else, there was just you know, she was just reading. She was like, how long do you need? And we were like a thirty seconds to a minute, just you know she was like, okay, truly read it. They were more specific. They were like forty seven seconds read it, looked up

cry with her two cameras. I wiped it out and we were like that's it. Two cameras. I needed more takes, but we didn't have time, and so she made sure we got in one take. I mean. Also she's like, she's I love like I have for years. I have

since Ghost World so good. I mean also that she had that one year where it was Lost in Translation and Girl with a Pearl Earring, and I remember this was like when I was first starting to really kind of like try to watch, like, you know, adult movies, and I was like, I'm going to see both of those. Didn't get either one of them, whist in translation, all the things, And I almost watched it on a plane actually the other day, and because like, maybe that's a

good one to sort of visit. I picked text in the city of the movie that just the mood I was in the plane dictates, the plane will dictate, We'll just do what you want. I often am like I should be watching this because I haven't, and I should now, but I'm like I'm in this mood when you're on the plane, the plane dictates exactly. And I'm like, that's that's actually a rule of culture when we're ump up, when we're on a plane, the plane dictates it. And honestly,

the plane dictated. The other day that I watched the Whitney documentary, Oh, I haven't seen it, devastating the sex and miss into the movie because I had to light it up after that, of course, and then Tully, it's a long flight. This, yeah, Tully's good. Edit down that pause, the latent pause. You know why? You know what just happened When you said Tully, I thought, I'm like the one where Tom Hanks lands the plane in the water,

which I did not see. I was like, I didn't see it, but tell me I did, Like, I think, I think that Charlie's is great. Charlie, she is so great. Do you like young adults? Can I tell you minutes Young adult? Basically the cold open until the sequence and when she puts in the tape into the car and starts driving. I was so gagged, a little Matt, I'm there.

I was so gagged by that first twenty minutes that I had to stop the movie and pace around my house by myself because I was like, this so brilliant. At the moment, it's so well absurd everything picture and the printer not working. I was like, this is me, it is I mean that movie towards the end, the end, losing me just a little sorry, Jason Raymard love you, but I just felt that that that movie is, that was that nice little chunk of culture for I agree at the end, losing me a little bit too. I

wish she doesn't sleep with Patton Oswald. I felt it felt like, but then again, it's like I don't mind that, you know what It's like. It's kind of like the way I felt about the end of Girls, where it was like, wow, Marnie isn't going to grow at all. It's like, no, some people they just don't grow. And I thought that was true. That felt right to me. It wasn't actually the sleeping with Patton's sister that was the problem for me. It was the next morning being

bitched to his sister said. I was like, I was like, you've learned a little you could, yeah, maybe, but the takeaways that maybe they're just they you know, She's like, I just want the tenous redemption, you know, we're we're gagging for redemption, but I'm wait. But also that movie and Tully too, made me want to go back and re examine Diablo and all her work because I remember when Juno came out. I think Juno was presented to me as a movie that you should hate. No, as

a movie that I was supposed I love. I love No. I think I would love Juno now, But at the time they were like, this movie is produced by Judd Apatow, and I was really looking for this to be like like a fourty year old virgin and wasn't ready for

like the drama. I remember I went with all my like guy like friends in high school, Um, Kenny, Kevin, Carl and Nick, the three of them, and we all went together, and I remember just like sitting there and feeling self conscious because I had been like riding riding far to see this movie, and they were like, you know what I mean, I don't get what's the Hamburger phone?

And I was like, oh no, like this has maybe for me later, but then I like really like hated it and I need to go back and see it now. But the women in the film like Ellen, Jennifer Garner and even Alison Jann So for freaking Jennifer makes that whole movie. Jennifer Garner is her levels of empathy in that movie and jealousy and just all of it is so well. It might be her best work except for Think Going on thirty. I like her most playing a child.

I like that. I like that. I think that's like a good scene at the end of thirteen going on thirty where she's like my best friend, Yeah, that is so good. And we need like rom como, I think we do. Why don't you guys right and direct? Okay, yes, great, you know what what's the rom com? You want to say?

What would what's the rom coming? So we actually do have a rom com on the on the on the background, the deep deep like as in we've tried one conversation about it on the one with Carrie Oh yes, okay. So it's essentially a version of because we're working on a show that's a rom com show, show international rom com show where we oh, great, yes, the couples around the world anyway, a loosely connected Oh okay, that's that's a yeah, that's all we can love angler Okay, it's

like my best friend's wedding, which is my favorite. But it's a girl and her best friend and she's gay, and she's her it's her ex girlfriend essentially, and her ex girlfriend is marrying a guy and she's like, I pretty sure we should be together. And so there's like a moment where like it seems like maybe it's going to happen in the movies, exploring maybe the couple of months before the wedding, like was that really a relationship? Was it not? Was it just one way? Was I am?

I like gasling myself and trying to be like, is this about orientation or about what is this about? This is so good and pitch on that? Did I pitch it? Okay? It loved it. It's about he normativity and also unrequited situations that everyone can relate to them. And I think also like through what we're saying before, we're a specific Poe and Lens. We need, we need, we need, we need. I'm doing this, tell them what I'm doing? What you're doing? This is my favorite thing to do? Now? Is it?

I like doing? He were working, hang loose, sucking, I got you, We did our We did our l A lyric up here in show Last Night and Matt. I told Ech that we were going to come out and pump our fists, but with the hang loose I was live show. Can we shout out Geneviev like the real Genevieve? Though, if you're not following on Instagram, you're not following the funniest since and I had a conversation where we both agreed best social media presence actually, yes, unrivaled. Wow, very talented,

she's very fun. That character where she's ordering food, yes, thank you the Alamo Drafthouse. Oh my gosh, it's a It's a veritable gold mine. That's a girl who watched Summer I Tie at fourteen or something. Yeah, I got I remember giving her a thumb drive of Summer High High when she was like truly in middle school and being like a bitch get ready before it got to HBO, probably before my friend was living in England and they had it, and she brought it on like a flash drive,

a lot of English. That's a good gift. That is a good kid. That's so crazy. Genevieve can actually say that Summer High Tight is culture for her. Yes, how old does she? She just turned twenty to this is the place you put it in right now. I was because I remember I think I remember I watched Summer High Tie, like around freshman year high school. Yeah, I was in this room with her and then I was like it was like a god, was like the coolest fucking chat and she's probably like like and this is

I mean this as a full complement. She's like a fully formed, like person like women who's like like just nearing thirty. And then I found out that she's like a full year younger than me, and I was like, fuck, wait a minute, hold on, we just have to quickly shout out Luchi is first on screen turn on brought real that was so good. Income and I just are

sped and they are happy to see. They're very excited to get to me, like as if that was like you made so many when you got you made such good choices and my pedophiles here script not scripted, well, pedophile, No, it wasn't in the script. It was it was worked on on the set. Let's say that it's but then you guys got a real petticab. The petticap was it was there, but you yeah, my piles to people who love Petty so good, thank you it was. It was

really fun and I love doing it. What was the condition? Just the last thing? Mellotorous duntada, melotorous prudenda smelly pussy Don is a character's name. If you guys aren't caught up yet es Yes, a friend of Abby's from college. Catch up, catch up guy. She went to shed. Okay, great, Um, I think it's time. It's time for I don't think so. Oh my gosh, I don't know if you have to. You did, you did one of the best trollballs of all time. Get out of here. Also, this is my

favorite thing about what happened immediately before that. So you guys were and I think the first or second and Joel Kim Booster famously always has poppers on him at all times at this moment, so I was scared actually, and this is what I'm saying, because I looked back at Joel like, puts the poppers under my nose, which you're if you're ever around Joel Kim Booster, you have to cover your noses because he will put poppers in your nostrils and he loves to make your butt hole.

That is, he's got the dense industrial stuff. He truly has a lot of at all times. And he goes, all, right, before we go, we're gonna do poppers, and I was like, okay, I'm down. So we did them and I looked back and Paul, you were just in a state of shock. And then Sabrina Jelice comes and I think took the largest hit of poppers I've ever seen two and then did her I don't think so, honey, and like I could see her eyes were just black. She was like, honestly,

Sabrina is the next level. Absolutely love her. And then what immediately followed that the troll ball that you picked up with Maria carry thank you, And there was not a moment hesitation. Do you have a left ear? Well? Does she does? She? She? Oh my god. And you know when you do troll ball, then you leave and you're like, here's four more, here's four more things. I said. It's what I do now is I don't prepare any of them at all, So just what comes out comes out.

That's good. We also have to do hundreds, I know, I know, like we were literally today we're like, oh my god, which ones are we going to do? And I think I have good ones? But that's great, great, now, um, whatever do you want? Okay, you're not prepared? Well, why you do? We We don't trouble on the pard we did. We just a trouble with Oh, she famously does not prepare star star. Okay, you have the option, but I want to hear what I want to hear. What's up there? Okay,

but man, you want to go first. I do want to go first. This is Matt Rodgers. I don't think so many as time starts now, I don't think so honey that I'm obsessed with the trailer for US, but I'm not going to see US because I'm too fucking afraid. I don't think so honey. The movie US You are fun far too scary, If every little literal thing I'm reading is true, I do not like scary movies. It physically hurts me to watch them. However, I don't think so honey that in order to be part of the

cultural conversation, I will have had to see US. Today. We were in the back of the lift, and I don't think so honey. The commercial for US, when Lupete and Yango, I was like, that is the most scary thing I've ever heard in my life. I am absolutely not seeing it. I don't think so honey that I've watched The Australia approximately four thousand times. I am obsessed with it. I do think, so honey, what they do

with that song I got five on them. Whatever they do like with the orchestra funk that I want to see that? Will I see that? I don't think, so honey. I am far too afraid Jordan Peele. I don't think so honey that you were so good at what you do because even in terms of trailer construction, give that trailer an oscar. It terrifies me, intrigues me, and I'm sucking pissed. That's one minute. Listen. Do you guys do scary movies? I don't. I mean I did get Out

because I don't really. We'll see if it's like Beyond, like we'll see you get it. I will see Hereditary, but generally hate. Actually did see Hereditary, Okay, did you go together? Because Chris said that like you are they took We did like it, and I don't usually like those movies. I didn't find that to be scary, for it was just the alligator that was the only thing. I mean, the end is like the end was like

just too bizarre to be scary to me. I was like it was like it was like I heard it wasn't worry and like like Happa is nodding his ass off. I can't do he just made an emotion to his intestines being out. But if you get I feel like if people I feel hereditary is probably the scariest miss shocking movie I've ever seen. That movie is just for the one, the one moment alone when you're talking about and I'm just like that wrecked me. Yeah, still think about it all the time. I do too, And I'm like,

I can't believe. Do you have siblings? I do? No, see that's I just thought about my mom and I was like, oh, I know, I know, I know. It's it's it's you know, hurtful it is for me as a gay man to know that Tony Colette is giving a tour to force and I can't see it does to me. I cannot You're missing on some that's my trauma. You're missing on some quality and dad stuff too. Oh yeah that's right, yeah really not how stick it in and breaking this is not can in and break it off?

Break it off? All right? Well, I'm just saying like it took me literally nine months to see Get Out because then when the oscars rolled around, and like I was like, I had my SAG screeners and I was like, I gotta see it because also like I want to be able to talk about it. And then I fucking loved it. But I did that thing where it's like I would like scroll ahead and scroll back and scroll ahead and scroll back. I'm a psycho. She she wickies

things while we're watching. And I'm talking about a lot of times television. Yeah, yeah, I can't. I can't. I gotta wick you. And I'm like, how can you do this? Literally? And you know the ending of Finding Never? You know? In the lift. Today, I googled US spoilers. I googled movie spoilers leaving Yes, now is the time for Bowen? I don't think so, honey, and his time starts. I don't think so, honey. Pre exposure prophylactic prep, baby, I don't think so many that it's killing my sex drive.

And also I don't think so, wait, what is this a prophylactic for me getting fucked? Because I'm not getting it in honey, And look, why this is this is this is like the dumb irony of all this is that you're going to fucking out me or you? You did you prep shameing earlier? I can't tell if that was prep shaming. No, I tried to encourage your sexual actor.

Well anyway, it's not happening in any case. Well it's I just I hate that I have to now take this blue pill every every day and feel feels very confused about like, well, I guess I should put this to good use, but oh wait, I have no access to putting this to good use. Very sexually confusing. I'm sure I have PREP queens out there who feel the same way. Please do you have me only to talk about it, only to commisserate in our preps, nothing else. I don't want to have sex with you, because, as

I said before, PREP is killing my sex stripe. But I'm only taking it just to have the piece of And that's one minute. Here's the deal. What we have to get you laid tonight? No going to a house party. I have to see my parents in twelve hours. About how long it takes to have sex? Yeah, no, you can't have sex within with one of six hours your parents? Can't you can't do that. That's my own. I'm gonna wing man you hard tonight. You don't have to do that. Yeah,

you're gonna you're, you're gonna be. I encourage you to look out for yourself. What am I going to be? What do you mean? You said you're going to be? I said you're. I said you're gonna be like, you're gonna be like on your own little prowl. And it doesn't happen. It doesn't have to do anything with honey. Anything. When I go to the club, it's not about the prow It's about dancing, it's about the lights, it's about the environment, about the music. Okay, No, it's not right. Okay,

So who's going first? I feel like, Okay, she's got, she's got, she's gotta reading. This is just gonna just gotta reading. This is Lucianiellis. I don't think so. One of her time starts now. I don't think so. Honey, gender reveal party. You want to have a baby shower, go fuck off. Happy for you, that's fine. You want gifts for your baby, Hell yes, bitch, put that Missouri stroller on your registry. I'll buy you that ship. I'm rich. Gathering your friends and family to reveal the gender of

your child is fucking archaic. Okay, this obsession with binary is stupid ass. Okay, you're not revealing gender, you're revealing anatomy. And if you don't know the difference, you shouldn't be bringing a child into this world, honey. Okay, and you're gonna release a hundred pink balloons into the sky. Think about the turtles they have to choke on your hot pink g litter because you needed to reinforce heteronormative stereotypes. I don't think you I'm getting you that me Missouri

stroller anymore, because I don't think so honey. One minute, there we go. Honestly, I have said before I don't think so honey balloons for this very reason. It's environmentally bad, and the ones that say that they're environmentally friendly are lying, absolute liars. It's not true. Oh my god, that's that's big. That's that's big rubber. And also I don't think so honey gender reveal parties. I totally agree, because guess what,

not always correct either, Oh I'm sure. And also then you like a freak and a fool when you've painted your whole house blue also who said that blue was well, actually, do you know that blue used to be the girl's color because the Virgin Mary Okay, the Virgin Mary was like blue that was girls. But honestly they had something to do with Hitler being like, pink is for girls. I don't know exactly potentially spread I think that might

be anyways. I also like it's such bullshit because you always seem like Dad's being like yea when it's girls color, and it's like reinforcing for all the children that are there that guys are like wanting boys. It's just also gross. It's like so and almost it's so gross. I hate it, and like TV, I don't want to hear that you'd rather have one or the other because that will like once you put that out there, like everyone hears it, and if you have the other one, it's like everyone's

a secret. Yeah yeah, it's like I wanted a girl, but it's okay. I'm like yeah, it's just yeah, that's like what And it feels like, honestly, it's being pushed by mom's I'm sorry to like this, but I'm like it's a party to like be like, here's the I don't know I'm getting now. I am becoming like, well

not if you like, don't carry it whatever. I'm just like, it just feels like it's like a party to be like, I can use my body to have a child, which is a beautiful, great thing, but like to be like and the result of it is the thing that's important. That the gender of it is what's important. I'm like, just have a baby party. It's like a new life. It's a new life party. So you know, not necessarily it's gender. That's exactly right. The gender. Gender is dragged.

Gender gender is dragon. That was a rich one. It okay, oh my all of downs? Do you have a little dear? Am I going to do it? Yeah? He's okay, So it's been discussed. Okay, okay, because I was, well, okay, just happened. It just happened, truly thirty seconds before I walked into Oh my god, I can't. I don't think so many as time starts now, I don't think so honey. I don't think so honey to make me come on a podcast and write a minute of brand new material when all I want to do is shoot this ship.

I'm too busy riding film and television, and yeah, he's yes, Yes, honey, I wrote too. I don't think so, honey. And then I was told they've been done before, honey, stressful Honey is the best podcast in America. Yes, and you are the best host, charming and funny. You are enough. We don't need this. We don't need a gimmick, honey. If I want to do home work. I got back to school, honey. But I'm not going to go back to school, honey, don't know seconds, Okay, don't you worry. Oh god, I'm

not gonna go back to school, honey. And it was going to be that I don't have a full minute because I don't think so, Honey, I don't think so. It was more than I thought it was going to be. That was incredible. It made me sweat and said, you know, I love you guys, and I love the pod. You know. But I did write too. And then Jenny was like, I think that one's been done, and we didn't tell you that it had been done. They had been dog

people do People Green? Well, the other one hadn't been done, but it just I was doing it as a secondary, which was restaurants with bad bread. I'm like, oh, I don't. But then I just truly said that. I was like, I don't think so money, I don't think so many And I was like that's I might do it. I get it. But you know I love you right everything school and listen. Okay, just here's the deal. Okay, here's the deal. Okay. I emailed these two after the show,

and I was like, I genuinely was very excited. I don't think I've ever been so excited to have people on. Yeah, you guys came out and did it. We were so honored. No joke on Joel, we did miss you. I was, I was. It was so fun. That was fun. One, yeah, that was great. It was really fun. And also I feel bad because it was raining so much and I made everyone come downtown, but like it's fine. It was so fun. I feel like it's a great way also to see so many people you haven't seen in so long.

It it's like a bizarre you have a grainhouse. I mean, people were into it. They were going nuts. It was really it was really fun. Also, the thing is about I'm so honny is like, truly, I don't think so honey is nothing. It's we thought no one would ever listen to this podcast. When we started, we were like,

it's like an hour and a half of time. We scheduled each working a play and they were like, well, you should have a segment, and I was like okay, okay, and so we came up with I don't think so, honey, because it's something we said to each other all the time when we were like stupid, yes, and that was like, it'll be a minute of us just like ranting whatever. Like it's a minute rant like like that. It was a revolutionary. It was like it was like a meta

commentary on segments and podcasts. Yeah, and rant for a minute. Fine, and then and then I think it's an outlet people want to do. They're like, I need to come on to do this. I want to I want to have a platform. I want to rant. I want to do it, but I want to impress you guys. You you know

what I mean. So I really was working. I was really you know, it's impossible for you guys to anyway not live up to the sky and also to be honest with you, it's this is 's the way I feel about christ and Sarah to like just to like have whatever be doing comedy and then like, oh the people that like are doing comedy on like a high level and an aspiration away that I like are also nice and well we give you the time of day.

Oh my god, I love you. Repect this makes me my heart saying and really quickly, I mean I will remember this day for the rest of my life. Well one one that won the broad City Origin and then truly shooting the Aquafina pilot and if you talk about this, I can't do it, but like just really quickly that day, I like, once I wrapped, I walked away to go meet my friend Emily for dinner and I cried the entire time, just pure just out of pure joy of just like, have I talked to you about this? I

don't think so. Where it was just like I walked out of that set, it was like we shot in Chinatown, was all Asian background. All the names in the college sheep were Asian. We sit down, we're eating food, and then like Bead like starts talking to me about like, oh, well, like you know, is this your first scene where you're eating that you're eating something? And I'm like, yeah, I think so, and he was like, well, here's the thing.

Don't eat too much, because then you're gonna just keep eating the ship in between takes and be so full. And then Nora was like, oh, yeah, don't do that, Like that's like pro tip, like don't do that. It was just this moment, and then over the course of the entire shoot, like it was like there was a plate with wood ears, which is just like Chinese fungus that like is just a staple in cooking and in Asian cooking, and then we all talked about that and

no one had to explain what it was. And then that was like the general sense of it was that like no one had to explain anything to each other, and like I was like I've never experienced this, like walking onto set and like not having to like feel like I had to like keep up some layer of respectability just because it's like, well, I gotta like, I gotta,

I gotta have my ship together. And it's not even about that, but it was just about like the comfort of just not having any of those walls up and just like and then working with you, and I'm so beautiful and an objective, you are so funny and so so much of the room is like obsessed with being like how much can we have? It's true stop and I went and I went in the other day and

it was I got chills. Like the stories that they were talking, like the the arcs and ship not even stuff that has to do with me what that means. I was just like, this is going to be so cool. Yeah, I hope, I think it will be. Yeah. I think it's like we're really just I mean, it's not my show.

I'm you know, helping a part of it, but I think we really just wanted to help people tell the stories that haven't been told, and it's like we're trying to make this like a very well she's like, you know, three quarters Chinese quarter Korean, like three quarter Chinese quarter Korean Queen's story about a family and about people who you know, are different levels of their like where they

are in terms of their American nous. It's it's got a lot of Yeah, it's just I think I just I hope that people feel seen by it, because that's really it really is. I think the intention it's I think she's so funny and the writers are so funny and character as the showrunners truly like one of them an angel on Earth. She's the funniest person, and so I think it's a really awesome group of people, hoping that I think are making something really special. Are you

directing several episodes? I am. I am doing four total of this. Um, but yeah, I can't wait coming in January? Rights right, so the two other really, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know idea out there anyway, But anyway, UM, a lot of fun. App what great, Let's do it four hour. Let's four four hours. Have us come back for a part two, honestly, and then then we can hear I don't think so. Honey, bad bread. I'll do it anytime. I'll do anything you want. How

do you feel about the outback steakhouse bread? Um? Brown bread? Oh, I'm not a big brown bread person. I don't like it. Okay, yeah, I'm not a big brown bread I'm not against all brown bread, don't get me wrong. Bread in Ireland is incredible. Yeah, the couple, it depends on the kind you talking about. Raisin cinnamon raisin toast this morning? Yeah, cinnamon raisin toast is good. Is good. I don't know what I'll tell

you why she literally smelled like it this morning. Weirdly, I was like, which I used to have at my grandmother's house and I haven't had since I was a true child. But that was good. Yeah, grat I made it. The other day in the morning, my friend up thing was like, do you want some cinnamon raisin toast? Really? Yeah? Yeah? So that's an atmosphere too. It is. It is old factory heaven, Factory heaven for being here. Every episode with can you look at me in and tell me that's happy?

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