"For Your Consideration" (w/ Megan Amram)

about it. And the thing is, like I it's my most anticipated movie of my life and this is now replacing Dreamgirls two thousand seven as the movie that I'm most excited about in my life and it's it's been now over a decade because it has to be a musical with a pop star. And now that they're giving me that, I feel very excited. And this trailer looks beautiful. And guess what, here's a little piece of culture. It's the same DP as did Black Swan, the same DP,

the same DP as did Black Swan. Um that did black No? I know, but is that? How did you find this out reading a lot of articles? Okay, so you've you've you've You've done. I've been reading a lot. That's amazing. Um, we should say we're in Los Angeles, were this is our is. We're back. We're back in l A for a little bit. We're we have some great episodes lined up. We're far from the Shallow. We're far from the shallow now, as they say in the Stars Born trailer um and We're far from the shell now.

That was like a beautiful mix of Bradley Cooper and Letty Gaga's voices that we just did tambers mix. We gave Bradley Cooper tone yes and Lady Gaga operatic vibrato energy. Yes. Our guest today is also a singer, also the vocalist vocalist. Um, okay, the credits, they come rolling, they come rolling down, as we say. First of all, she has a show with the Skips on June. Please check that out. Um, you know, she just finished up a concert at four Below when

she was in New York. But she's performing with the Skippy's step up those texts. Also, she's just I'm just like a pre eminent mind. I would say, I gotta we'll talk about the eminent mind science for her when it came out like I was, but I was, I just like withdrew my application from med school and I was like, what the funk? Am I doing? Um? But then like I read Science for her and I was like, this is the funniest thing. I still think it's one

of them. We were just screaming in the car and also I was happy because listen, this is not and I don't think so. Was an observation the Uber drivers in l a very chatty, very chatting. All I wanted to do was share excerpts of Science for her with Hi Matt, and we we we cut the driver out of a conversation very quick because I was like, no, we're like, this is our moment, so anyway, um, and then we laughed out loud and said select lines from

the passage. But you can't possibly have understood, of course. Um. She's a writer producer on so many shows, The Good Place, The Simpsons, Silicon Valley, Croll Show, previously, Parks and Rack.

I mean, I mean there's there are those, but we're we're going to talk today about her one of her biggest credit today, ladies and gentlemen, for your consideration the actress, writer, producer, director of director, and Emmy for Megan and em Nominated for your consideration for Outstanding Actress in a Short Form Comedy or drama series and Outstanding Comedy or short from comedy dramas. So much to talk about, so much to talk about. It's our honor to have Megan so happy

to be here. I was just clenching my fists waiting to get in on those Stars Born trailer. Okay, gift thoughts. I well, first of all, I've never heard a country singer with Lady Gaga's placement vocal. She is just it's so rich. That vibrato is just huge. Drive a truck through it. We're gonna get theater country. And I love it. I love that it's in a world. It's like a science fiction movie, in a world where country a musical

theater has meshed. It's like a dystopian feature. And I see it throws me off a little bit that they chose country music as the scene. No, no, no, I love that it's country music. It throws me off that Gaga chose to keep the Gaga she's not doing country, and absolutely love it. I also love that she in the trailer says, uh, you know, people love my music, but they don't love the way I look. And she's like beautiful and then this is my I was watching it with my friends, and my theory is you never

see her legs in the trailer. It was like, what if a twist in the movies that she's actually only a torso and that's what she's saying. It's like, my face is very beautiful and I'm not saying that paraplegics. Well, no, I'm saying she's literally which is very beautiful. It's a type of person. But I think that might be the struggle. But they're burying the lead there but not showing that she's Wow. That would be an amazing twist, and that would be even more they're saying Oscar bait and Awards

bade big time, yes, and I love it. Lady Gaga just on her arms the whole time. I don't know,

we'll see. There are so many because I've done the thing now where I've watched so many times where I've you know, hell and every The best part of the trailer is like the super cut towards the end where she's screaming her song and then literally there's like many cuts of different things of her acting so hard, acting over here, acting over there, filling up the frame and there's a scene that I paused she's in the bathroom. She's a scene where she's run out of a bathroom.

Still she's in like a business suit with her hair up and like a tasteful situation. And she's bent over screaming. And I paused it and I was like, what is that? We do? See the legs and nutshot see oh my god, oh my god. And I'm sorry, I'm sorry, but I really didn't watch carefully. I was focused on her face and her vibra. She could still be apparently joking. I'll tell you why, because oftentimes Hollywood they can be very smart, and what they'll do is say, film extra scenes just

for the trailer to throw off you. Guys have been in l A for two days and you already get how Hollywood and they're so impressed to speaking of Hollywood. Um, let's let's just start off the conversation. Yeah, I love that by talking about an Emmy for maccan. The buzz has been definitely a dinner of buzz. A deafening den. It's hard to concentrate, there's so much buzz. There's so much. It's like a white noise that just distracts everyone. And white noise puts you to sleep, absolutely, But no, none

of us are sleeping. No, it's like loud loud. Do you find that maybe like the buzz? Well, this is actually a really interesting conversation to have because you know, the subject matter is trying to win an Emmy. But now we get to that interesting thing of when the buzz sometimes takes away from the work, but this it kind of feeds itself and that's genius. I thank you. I say this in the web series, but I really did make this to win the award. I was watching

the Emmi's last year. There's a bunch of new awards for web series content, which is amazing beautiful. Yeah, and I thought, you know, I look, I'm not Lady Gaga yet. I can't carry a full, very very strenuously acted movie yet, but I can. Yeah, a lot of a lot of pulled muscles on. That's but I feel like my skills are good for like six minutes at a time. Like I'm really charismatic for like six minutes. So this podcast is gonna be great for like the first chunk and

then just horrible. But so I I think of myself as a web SERIESO tour um. But yeah, the Emmy voting opens Monday, June eleven. Okay, so this will come out the next day. This is coming out on Tuesday. So this is actually this episode is going to be called for Your Consideration? So perfect. Yeah. So I spent one day filming the series, and I've spent weeks now publicizing it. I bought a billboard in Hollywood. It's really

so sick. It's at Hollywood Boulevard and Wilton Place. If here's the thing for anyone listening out there, it's really easy to buy a billboard that says anything. It is prohibitively expansive. Spent more money on the billboard than I did on the series. But that's the way it works. Yeah, that's the way Hollywood works. And you have to get out there and promote yourself. Like remember when Melissa Leo brought her own for Your Consideration and she won the

Academy Award. Now I have to ask, are is there something that we as the viewer do not know that it is more esoteric in the Emmy sort of in the requirements, is it really just it has to have six episodes, it has to be it has to be on YouTube, it has to be uploaded before April whatever it was, and then I'm sorry, and then you will have an infamy um as FDR said, and what was the third requirement? These are truly the only requirements. Okay,

six episodes. There's no minimum length, uh, and they have to be under fifteen minutes each, which you know, no problem, sir. And they have to be uploaded the right time. They also have to have scripts, which is why I heavily scripted my series. If anyone I ideally wanted to send out the scripts of my series to the entire Emmy voting block, it's more expensive than you'd think to send out to send out the steps I'm willing to. I just wish there was an email list you could just spam.

You would think that it's as easy as this, but it's not. No, it's not. And I think that if I win an Emmy, I'll have the cloud to make some major changes in the academy, right right right, because when there needs there needs to be changed. Now, I need to ask you, what do you visualize as the roadblocks ahead of you? Yeah? Who is competing with you? And bring down my spirit? I'm sorry, No, no, no, no, I think it's good to be realistic. I think it's

harder to get nominated. I think once you get nominated, this is this is exactly what I'm thinking. I don't know. Here's the thing. I don't know who else is competing in this category. And come Monday, and if you guys are listening to this on Tuesday, rice to your computers, get in the academy. I am so curious to see if other people had the same idea as me, like that they'd be a good web series based actor or actress. But I think there's going to be a lot of

celebrities competing in this category. Uh, and you know, my name might not have the recognition that's say a Natalie Pork love her beautiful woman beautiful. So I might not be, you know, a Penelope Crew. But I think I have a lot of spirit um. But should I get nominated, I have set aside a slush fund to really really hit the publicity home. And I'm thinking I never delved into the New York market. But which is so rude

of me? Yeah, it's really I was walking through Time Square recently and I'm like, how do I get one of those big electronic billboards Times Square? I could see it, just me waving at the tourists from far and wide. Um, so I'll be looking into that. Please. Now it will be historic if you are not only nominated, but if you do win. For you to win as a beautiful creative American, we can confirm, um, that we are talking

to a beautiful Korean American woman. And that's because that's how you've chosen to identify for purposes of your life going forward, or just you know recent Yeah, so just if you haven't seen the series, which seems insane, but I did a twenty three and me recently and I found out I'm about Askenazi Jewish, but I found out I was point one percent Korean, not negligible. They included it, included and it's so easy to not include it, but

they did so many things made sense. Um. And you know, I looked at myself in the mirror before that and I always was like, what is that? Then? What is that about me? Yeah? What, there's a beautiful Korean thing about fun? There's something fun in the mirror. It's something. Yeah, a little paprika thrown in there. And I got my

genetic results back and it all fell into place. Now here's something I am a part of the Emmy Voting Academy and I got an email recently that they were doing a panel with Asian American women who were in the Academy, and I realized I hadn't asked me, And it was a really horrible way to find out that I wasn't on the panels by getting an invitation. It almost felt like they were rubbing it in that they were like, we're inviting you, but you're not on the panel.

It's so emblematic I think of the industry and all the quote unquote steps forward that we're taking, where it's like it's still so exclusive, even even though like there's so much and they're leaving out so many people. Really that's really what it is. How dare they? But I almost showed up and just like went on the panel. But I thought, you know what, let them have their time. Well you know that, but it's not them, it's you are them. You're right, I need to change the way

I think about yea. And also, here's the thing, there's no such thing that's bad pity. And I think that if you had gone and made an issue of it, I think you might be able to Well. I have some I have some big things coming up. I really want to. In my web series, I also sing the national anthem, which I mean is one of everyone's favorite songs. Just like it's just like in every time different every time you have no idea what's going to come out

of your mouth. I really for years I've wanted to sing the national anthem at a w NBA game because very seriously, I think it's super fucked up how much people make fun of the w n B. I'm not a sports fan, but I just in theory love the w n B. A is a punchline and why no, it's crazy, They're amazing. But I really want to sing the national anthem at a w n B A game. Um,

but we can probably make that happen. Yeah, I feel like last cool Threstas has a big let's let's just say that, Like we'll just say out loud that you know that's something. Put it in the atmosphere right as they say, I just also have to shout out. Quick note is that I went to New York last weekend saw what I'd estimate to be every gay person in New York and hang out. They are all huge fans of this podcast. That's crazy, but they don't. They don't.

They certainly don't approach. They don't approach us. They don't approach it. I'm going to tell him not to be shy, skittish little Mayre's anymore. Do you know what happened? Stop being a sly shy. Sometimes I will receive Instagram direct message and they will say bitch, and they just call me bitch. What are you listening to as you stomp through Times Square? Because I will be listening to music and I feel music and something about me that is

very different and unique. Um is that I feel music all throughout my body especially, But it's a very good song. You can really tell, like, I don't know. I'm just I don't know if it means that I'm a dancer. Maybe I should go on Dancing with the Stars. I feel like you should be in a Stars born. I feel like that. Well, here's the I would love to do. Actually attack We played black Swan. We did black Swan on stage as a musical with the music of Chicago. Yes. Oh,

and who do you think was Natalie? Who was Mila? Um? I think Bowen was Natalie. I have more Mila energy, obviously, because Mila. You know, music in her body and like, like, you know, she's very free and loose. Hair down, I do on my ballets of my hair down, yes, gets right in your face. Yeah, and um oh. So then I have to respond to these people, who what are you doing? And I'm like, where are you? And I don't and then I don't get an answer to that. So now there's just these games watching me as I

walk on the street. Do you watch Game of Thrones. I'm very scared of Game of Thrones because of the violence. There's a lot of violence, but there's like a sparrow system where it's basically like a unit character who has all these people watching other people. And I imagine that there's some sort of sparrow system in Times Square, gay people waiting for you to jazz down the streets. So stop are you? Are you like really hitting the steps heavy? Well? I just like to hear. What I do is because

I'm a very big fan of RuPaul's drag race. I lip I like to lip sync, but I don't want I don't want to do it outwardly, like I don't want to be like a crazy person like lip syncing the words on the street. But I will like in my brain picture myself performing of song, and so sometimes that just you know, gets away from me and I'll, you know, be emotionally. That's I guess really what it is. It's I'm emotionally embodying it. Physically, I have a very

heavy step. I've been told before that I need to sit down softer. I didn't break. I didn't break a chair. This was I have a history of older women telling me how to live my life, and I just am very sweet and take it very sincerely. But I was at like a movie screening outside and they're all these like deck chairs and I sat, I sit down with my full force of my body. I let gravity really

do most of the work. And the chair like folded up underneath me, and a woman behind me was like, maybe if you didn't sit like that when it happened, what at what age do you become this expert in chair rizzled white woman who tells you how to sit, who has no concept of boundaries and tells a stranger how to place their gravity. I don't like her at all. Just because I'm Korean, you can't they she saw you and she said, I'm gonna walk. Let me walk all

over this Korean Korean. Sorry, beautiful Korean, beautiful Korean. We're quoting U. I bent a stool leg um in San Francisco out of bar in Chinatown, and I have never been more humiliated in my own in a place where I meant to feel safe. It was like steel stool. Everyone okay, the people I were, The people I was with, maintained that it was already like warped in. It was already that way, but it had for some reason, it had been propped up to look like it was just

structurally sound. But as soon they placed my weight on it, I like, I ate ship and like I just like my feels like they're fault. It feels like the restaurants will have you sued them. Well. I was with Blair and Blair's Blare's a great lawyer now in San Francisco, and she was like, we could, we could literally sue. And I was like, it's fine, Why are you so? Why are you attacking it like that? Like why why

are you being nice? Why not? It was it was like it was like a mom and pop Chinese bar, And like I did not want to make weights something that's a trap that they put there to make people think they should lose weight. Oh my god, maybe it's like an elaborate system. Everyone falls down on the stool. That is so Chines, very California of them. So it would it would be. I almost sued an escape room thing I've ever said. Okay, okay, that's not part of it.

I love escape rooms, like so stupid people should on escape rooms all the time. Now they're like, oh, it's white people paying for struggle, and I'm like, no, I love not paying for struggles. Paying for like a puzzle, you immerse yourself in, get over yourself criticism. Escape's very wholesome, and I love puzzles of all types. But I was in an escape room in Orlando, Florida with my brother and his wife and they were showing us at the end what we did wrong. Sorry, look, I'm flawed, just

like any other beautiful Korean woman. And a treasure chest that this man had propped up bell on my finger and my fingure started gushing blood. Oh my god. You can, like, I'm gonna show not the podcast listeners, but you can kind of see the scar on my finger. People king Yeah. And I also I was just like, escape rooms are dirty because they're set up in like warehouses and a million people are touching them all the time. But the room I was doing was like horror themes, So I

hope there's like my dried blood somewhere in the room. Anyway, it was fine. My brother is a doctor and he wanted to give me stitches, but he's not a hand doctor. And also he was my childhood bully, so I was like, no, you don don't trust me. It was really layered. But I have a question for you, So what is your

role in the escape room? Because I feel that when you go into such a good idea, I feel like I do when you going there together, like my thing that I do because I'm not necessarily like the smartest sleuth, but I am really the best clips anchor. Yeah, I'm per forming on the corner. No, but on our most recent trip to an escape room, they came over the loudspeaker and they said, you can also um to help look for like hidden um Eastern Easter. Yes, we were,

we were here. We were here doing Easter and then like part of the theme was they had little Easter eggs, and so I was like, good, I'll look for the things hidden around the room. I'm not going to find out the puzzle. I also just like I want to set the scene of like me doing an escape room with like six huge gay guys and it was for and Teller themed and there were so many scarves in it, and I feel like half of us just spent the

time admiring putting scarves on. No, I am like very much like a home I love homework like I love like math and figuring out more cerebral puzzles. I don't have a great spatial reasoning. I never know which side of my body is like right or left, So I'm not going to be the one who's like doing a gadget. I have a question because you are you are like low key hi KEI like a gamer. I would say the reason I love escape rooms is because I equate

them to like a real life like Zelda done. Oh my god, the first time I did an escape this is like not funny because I'm getting too sincere about this. The first time I did one was basically Zelda themed. It was the most you for experience of my life. I was like, leave this disgusting world behind and put me in like Zelda room for an hour. Yes, Like that is like that is all I want. I really want to create Escape. I'm like too lazy to do it,

but I have a bunch of ideas for themes. Theme one is like general Hollywood meeting, which justice at the scene you've ever been on. It's like you get to it. You get to a lobby at some building and usually a woman is there to be like, can I get you anything? Water, diet coke, And then you just like sit on a chair and then you go into a

meeting and talk about yourself and then nothing happens. So I wanted to be like you're in the lobby and all you have at your disposal is water and a diet coke and you have to like figure it out from there. And then also haunted weed dispensary, like like you're blowing you have to blow weed smoke to see like a laser light on the wall. There's so many good options. I think this isn't a thing that could really happen if you win the Emmy and your profile.

Wait should I make an Emmy for Megan Escape roomy? But also just to put one more thing about the series, I'm doing. This will come out after the show, but I'm doing a show tomorrow Sunday at uc B. That's a screening and like a Q and a panel that including including my friend Andrew Law, who was cut out of the series. Andrew is so funny. We did about a two hour long take of a scene that got entirely kind. Here's the thing, and my series is not like, there's not a high bar for what gotten it. It

was a lot. I Andrew is a very very good friend of mine, so I was like, we're just gonna riff, Like, we'll be in my bed together. What do you mean wasted? Yes, yeah, we'll riff around the script. Oh my god, thank you so much, because I've seen the script and it's definitely the script script. I'm really really proud of the script. But we mostly I was like Andrew, how's your day and he's like not good? And I was like why and he's like, my comes black and I was like,

oh that sucks. Why and he's like from eating so much dirt? And then we just, for like what felt like two hours, talked about who's black black calm, and it was it just it didn't totally fit with no, yeah, because it's not about you winning an Emmy. Because honestly, you kid, just that was actually really selfish of him. Honestly, it's a very selfish I have to really come out and say that was really selfish of him too, not only like disregard your script with this MPO, which I'm

sorry it is like not an art form now. Yeah, and how dare he like not talk about like she was in a different series. I feel like he just was. You know, have you see someone in a movie or whatever, You're just like David, don't know what movie they're in. Andrew does not know what series is in right now. But at the show along with Andrew, it will be moderated by Jane Lynch, who won. Yes, I swear to god Jane Lynch's moderating. She's such a sweetheart, She's very funny.

I have not asked her this. I do kind of want her to bring her Emmy from Last Hold, the real one that I think she has a couple, right, she has, she must, but specifically she won for the Outstanding Actress in a short farm, comedy or Drama. Can I ask one more question about like exactly what qualifies?

Because I might have a series coming out and I just want to make sure it qualified over the rules already know, but I need to ask another question about I'm happy to help someone who wants to follow, because I think I saw this a bone before we came here, and he described me as a unique bitch and like a passive aggressive tone. And we haven't talked about it, but I'm really upset. Um. I identify with you because

I very badly want to win a major award. And that's when I called him at UNI and I said, wow, yeah, what a unique bitch. And I was like, I smiled through it, but I was really upset. I'm glad that we're airing it now. Yeah, yeah, and we'll have a more in depth discussion about it later. But I feel that it was very Hollywood of him to be very passive aggressive in the York. Yeah, yeah, can he scowled at a uh man who was making my coffee today

because he took fucking forever. But it's a babe, you have to do this made he's we goal weed, right, No, you need to relax. He made a latte cocktail with like orange, like an orange. I was like, this is outrageous. Honestly, it was for someone else. It was for someone else, but I literally I was being very l A and like like I was like, I even complimented. I was like that looks amazing, and then and then um like but bo and I could see he's kind of like

very New York right in that moment. But like, okay, so do I am a different fanning himself with metro cards. It's like a full deck of them. I guess you've really brought your New York, your evil New York energy to l A. To be rude to this, you think people. Okay, so can I tell you something? First, let me ask my question, and then I want to ask another question,

and the probably after that. So first of all, I am thinking about making a webisodes that's five episodes, But does that mean I won't you have to have sex that is in You have to add another I know it's hard, but something that was easy to script right now. I know. But here's the thing. So it has to be six episodes, but they don't have a minimum time limit. Essentially you can make less content and qualify core wreck. Alright, I don't understand. You can just do a clip show.

I don't know what your series is, but just make the fifth episode of clip show Okay, okay, yeah, that's a good idea, alright, but why are you married to five? Well? I just that's just what we've been writing down, okay, Okay. I mean, if you're gonna do five, it's not going to be an award contender. You can put it out there, but you should do like a two part cliffhanger. Again, I don't know what your series is, but I have ideas for breaking it up. Okay, now, and you said

you had a follow up question. I forgot it. Okay, now, Megan, when you see but you didn't you didn't foresee this Andrew episode while you were breaking this this this season. I thought that it was going to just be a more natural fit, okay, And I didn't know how I was going to edit it necessarily, and I tried to get the Andrew scene in there, but it truly was just like nothing, Well, there's no there's no dramatic tension there because really all it is is a diet stary

change for him. He'd have to stop eating dirt dirt. It was we were trying to be really grounded, remember our UCB training of yes, and like like a person, remember your training, but it just didn't it just didn't work, and I'm glad to have a public opportunity to hash it out with him. This is new. Have you talked

about this before. This is the first place you've talked about I had to break it to him privately that he was not in the series before it because they didn't want him to like email his family or anything like, look, I'm in this award winning web series and then watch with them and I have to see the horror on

their faces. I realized. But in that scenario that you just outlined, for him to email his family and be like, look at this award winning web series, you would have he wouldn't have been like he would have found out after the timeline is really confusing there. I have always been calling it an award winning web series from day one, just because I think you can safely assume at some point, but you put it out there in the world now I remember my question. Okay, okay, okay, So can I

get a spoiler? Oh? Of course. Okay. So in the last episode, our friend, Um your Phoe Darcy Carden comes in and it's very much Um. The episode really takes a turn when Darcy kills Megan. Yes, that was the only part that was not scripted. Wow, that's crazy. Yeah, what's crazy is I thought we were just going to do like it's in my kitchen. I thought it was going to be like a Nancy Myers type episode Wonderful Women, Yeah, cooking whatever, And uh, yeah, Darcy went psycho. I mean,

I hate to call a woman crazy. She went crazy, woman, crazy woman. She poisoned me. And yes, I mean I've barely someone whiter. She's like six ft tall, so it's like more white skin than yes'm but she killed me. And I also like, I haven't seen Darcy since she killed me, and she's going to be in the show tomorrow, and I just like, I'm really kind of nervous but also excited to get in a fight with her on the up stage, right right, right. But I have a

note for you, I guess. So whenever I enter a room, the first thing I think, and this is because of survival instinct, which I don't know if you know about the climate right now, but I think we need to start kicking in our survival instincts. Yeah, whenever I enter a room, I think about, Okay, in a moment of madness, like how would I kill everyone here. So I think you should have thought about that. That's amazing. Yeah, like

you shouldn't have turned your back to Darcy. I don't think even you feel like it's safe to do so when you're in a web series that's scripted that you're like doing the script for. Yeah, you just like can't ever let your guard down, even if you're in a web series and you were literally turning your back because you were putting it together a set deck or your gathering, and I think from what I can tell, you were just taking chopsticks. Well, yeah, there's I was putting together

set deck. It's like a very complicated thing. It's like an l A. Thanks. So you guys might not we don't understand know about it, um, but it stands for set decorations, right, Okay, So yeah, the chopsticks were not exactly how I wanted them, so I was moving. Well, yeah, you need them to be. And so she took that opportunity to pour I guess cyanide in your drink. Yeah, I don't know what it was, but it did not

taste good. Killed you? I killed? Oh my god. Can I also say like, so I just think for you, like a good note would be like find out ways that you could kill people before they like, oh my god, well season here's the thing I'm ready to officially to ideally would come out before the voting is done, but no matter what happens, So okay, Emmy voting is June

eleven at nine am Pacific Daylight's time or whatever standards. Yeah, uh, it's nine am through I think June and then July ish is when Emmy nominations are announced, and I am ready for whatever happens that day. I think that if I get nominated, I'm a shoe and to win. And if I'm not nominated, then season two is going to be coming back bigger and better than ever. I wanted to have the budget of a real television show, and I have a lot of stunts that I want to do.

I think that there's going to be some pyrotechnics I want to use, like the letterbox format like Master of None does. And I have a lot of stylistic ideas for season two. So can I ask you a question? Of course? Is it so it's just outstanding actress in a short form? Yes, So this means lead actress and supporting actresses all and all acting is combined to But here's the other thing, and you might want to look

into this. For your series, you have to be in like more than fifty percent of the episode to count as Outstanding Actress. So you were very careful to not allow any of that to be more than because you know, Darcy is very good in that last episode. Not to pull focus from you, but you were also amazing. Luckily for me and unluckily for you, she was not in

enough episode because for this series. But you know, if I win the Emmy, I feel like maybe she should accept it, or maybe I think like awards are very complicated, like maybe I shouldn't accept it at all. You know, that would be such, that would be very good, such a great term. You need to send someone important in your place, though, because you have to do like a Marlon Brando. I'm going to send Marlon Brando, as he's like a little bag the blood. We'll hit him up. Well,

he's a fan of the party's famous. He's actually is gay, so you know, he's a beautiful gay guy. He's a beautiful gay ghost. And I'm beautiful now in the physical world, a beautiful little gay bag of blood. So we're going to bring him in whatever form. But you know what I think is really good of you. Though she might not be eligible for this, but you are a good friend because you did raise her profile in a huge way.

Is a real story is that Darcy was at up fronts for the show that we were Darcy's on a good Place, which I write for the best place, Oh my god, wow. But we she was up front and someone came up to her and was like, oh my god, Darcy, I love you in an Emmy for Megan and seemingly did not know that she was on a television show. And I was like, this is exactly what I want to hear. You raised her profile. Yeah, it was. It was the best day of my life. Story between you

and Darcy, there is just one. The delivery is so nuanced because you have a line that goes and this is written in the script. You say did you like the script I sent? And then she says yes, yeah, I loved her like, yeah, yes, we were around it, were round it. We watched it again. We were like, we have to watch that back. So good Darcy wrote that line. Can I also say, like, how mad would you be if you want an Emmy for writing an

Emmy for Magame. Well, it's I literally had a dream like last week that the nominations came out and I was nominated for Best Wed Series, which is functionally writing it, and not for Best Actress. And I was like excited, but like kind of upset. You know, I would be actually pretty furious. How would the inverse of that be if you were nominated for Actress but not for Best I think that would be fine because that is the one that I'm really going interesting. I want to show.

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I think so well? I mean like someone like someone on the team like probably like looked into it and they were like, okay, this is all above board, let's submit them. But we didn't. We receive no, happy, happy to put my publicity force behind you guys for next year. Thank you? What does that entail my own personal money buying one billboard? Thank you. That's the most one of the most cost prohibitive things of this whole promotion, the campaigning process. If you want a webby you could we

got yeah, yeah, the first we got. I don't think Whoopi Goldberg has a web She doesn't really. I don't see her working towards it either, So listen, I mean, if she doesn't want to work for it, that that's part of the biz, that's part of the industry's very She really doesn't work hard. I already know what I would say. If I want an award, come on my

first line. I do so. I would be so surprised, even if all the and it's like Sasha Stone, Nathaniel Rodgers, even if they all said like it looks like and it's Matt Rodgers to lose, I would be surprised. Even if I'm not, I would go up to the I would get my um emmy from let's say I was gonna say, I was gonna say htta, but podmas are both great. Um So I would get my award, I would turn to the mic and I would go for

the next five seconds, I apologize in advance. That's so good. Yeah, I because because I really want to win, because I really want to keep saying it's not it was not about the award. It was about the community. It was about scripes, but the art. It was not about the award. That is, you know, icing on the cave. Yeah, my speech would be about how as a child, I would grew up watching these shows and just wanted to be a part of the community. That's what my speech would

be about. I grew up listening to podcasts and just wanted desperately to be It's like Hayworth on a pod, Helen Hayes on a podye of course, Rida Moreno, Rida Moreno. I think Rida Marino just legit did WTF she did? Yeah,

Oh my god, I want to listen to that. I love thinking that Mark Brin and Rida Marino were at like open mics together, and that's where it's very funny from what WTF used to be to be like, yeah, Rita and Mark just had like a really hard history in the New York comedy scene, you know, really good and this will be a fucking fantastic segue, but um, you know it was really good on wtf was Anne Hathaway? She was great similarly similarly good who as as we

scream and shout? She was so good at Ocean's And you guys, we've all seen Oceans eight and now we're gonna talk about we're all under the table right now. It's like flat, we've slid, We've slid off the chairs, just like I slid off my chair and hit every bum bum the way down when the Stars Born trailer came on before I was fully wet, and I who it was a slip and slide down the screen. Baby

at the arc light, honey. And then okay, so we still at the arc light, and then you can go outside and they have all the gowns on display from Ocean's eight. So I went to the arc light and I did not I feel like I was so blown away by this movie. I did not even register the gowns. Right. I don't know where to start with this movie was. It was first of all, it just was like I

give it a true A plus plust plus experience. It. I cannot believe it has gotten not that good reviews because I was like, these are all just like crusty old men. Yeah, truly, that's get what this is going for. The fact that it's set at the met Gallet is like the most genius stroke of story. We plauded when they went when they showed it basically was just a drag. Yes, the fact that like eight of the most famous actresses

pretending to be in a movie. But they were just being like, look, it's me Kate Blanchet, and like there's a scene where Kate Blanchet and Sandra Bullock find Helen a bottom carter like eating nutilla on the and who was also fantastic. There's some great accent work in this movie, and I was like, oh, you found your friend Helen a bottom carter, Like could that be? But Anne Hathaway is a dream come true. She's so funny, the plumpest lips this side of the lips. This is my favorite

performance she's ever done. It's it is like perfectly self parodi ing, but she commits. There's a point where she just makes herself cry looking in the mirror because she's not thin enough. You're using you're using all of your tools. Truly for this movie, there's also like no not to give spoilers, there's like no real conflict in the movie. It's just like beautiful women hanging out having fun and then also having more fun and then also having more friends.

It's like everything I want. It's so gentle, really was so low cove. But there was never even a moment where I was like, fun, fun, funk they're going to get? Was that how Oceans was? Like? Was there any con I think there was. I think there's at least peril that the heist isn't gonna work right, And it's like for this you're just like these are like it's like Barbie dolls hanging out with each other, not like aesthetically,

but the vibe of just like perfect friends. And then at the end after the heist, they're just eating pizza together in aloft. I like, there's nothing more soothing. It was so soothing. It felt like it was a salve. It was like it was a south But it also they it's at the met gala that they're doing this heist, but then for what I think is forty minutes, they

just show a fake Matt gala. That is so funny to me that they full on just do like Heidie Gloom is there in a gown and they are giving the audience exactly what they want, which is like mccalli was like a month ago and I miss it. So I also that you of course get Kim all the Kardashians really and like shots just like very present. It's like, that's the one. If I have one criticism, it's that I wanted to see all right, I wanted to see more celebs. I want more like it, like the blending,

because it's also celebrities playing fake celebrities. I wondered at first of Anne Hathaway was going to play An Hathaway. It would have been amazing, but it's like clearly they I think I loved it in a very sincere way because it full force was like we're going to give women and queer people exactly what they want, just like the We're not going to like just do like a girl cast Oceans eleven. We're going to full on make it like a much different tone, which I thought was wonderful.

It was candy. I played this game, this like movie box Office game online where you just like rank what you think the movie the biggest movies of the summer are going to be and I kind of messed up. I did put Oceans eight like third like above mission impossible, and like Jurassic World, I think it's doing Okay, it was. It's definitely not going to make a billion dollars, but it was like wishful thanking of Like also, Rihanna, I was just going to say on this show, Okay, we

need to get you need to reach. Yeah, I've thought about it. Okay, Well, the thing is I think that we have a lot and she just a w TF. I honestly as my generations, Rihanna. God see, I think that's what's keeping me. That's what's keeping me from winning winning acting and podcasting awards because everyone thinks of me

as an iconic singer. Yeah, it's hard to separate you into your various talents because really you just think like umbrella, So you think that that's something that she really thinks like she's like, oh, They're not going to take me seriously as an actress because I'm an iconic pop star, Rihanna. Maybe I think maybe she's like so iconic as like the type of person that she is that I feel like even the character she was playing in this movie

was like Rihanna influenced. Yes, I want to see her as like like in the hours, like so we're in the deep end of the pool, see how it goes. But she said she portrayed a believable sister sister. Um, like I believe that that little girl her sisters. Yeah, and I also how lucky is that little girl who is Rihanna's sister? Anyone who had a bit part of

that movie. Our friend Will Stephen was in the movie for two seconds, like I thought that was I also went basically face blind and I saw the movie with one of his friends and was going to lean over and he was like him and then I was like, no, of course not no. It was he was getting funked up at Aquafina and that and I guess Washington Square Park, Yes, I did it. I reckon it's. I think it's I think it's a perfect movie, perfect movie. I think it's

going to go. It's in the same way that like Magic Mike XXL is one of my favorite movies because like, nothing bad happens and it is like really kind and

shows masculinity in a way that's really positive. I felt the same way leaving this movie, which was like nothing bad happened and it was those friends and I love that, Like you get the sense that they're going to remain friends, Like they all get on the subway together and like, yes, they all go off and do there because spoiler alert, they win guys, Like they get away with the heist, like that's part of it. Um, But then they all

go to the activities. But you do get a sense that they will get together and like, you know, eat more pizza in that loft. Yeah, they're going to get together and go see Oceans or honestly, I bet they all get together and get Stone and see Jurassic World Fallen. Yeah, yes, which I'm actually really excited about too. It looks bad, shit crazy, I am really excited. Um. I have a few friends we've seen it and said that it's good. Apparently there's a scene where I don't I feel like

this is real. It might be ingest where they like have a close up on ry style as Howard's shoes which are flats, to be like we're not we're not fucking around this time, She's not wearing she hot. I would never take her out of those heels. I'd be like, yeah, they should be higher this time, should be higher like nine inch stilettos. Yeah, the flats lower the stakes. Okay, yeah,

did you heighten? For me? That was like a highlight of the first movie, Like there was like like the scene with Lauren Laptus and Jake Johnson to me was the best thing about the movie. We talked about this with with Gabers, like it took me out of the movie where you're like, oh wait, this is a good comment. This is like a great idea and crazy blockbuster. And then the second best part of the movie had to be Bryce Dallas Howard's nude heels, Like that had to be.

I think that they should lean into them this time and like keep showing close ups where there's no like mud or anything like that. And I also feel like she should functionally be like floating through the whole movie. Yeah, she They should be like show her feet running. Look, director, they should show her feet running, but like her feet don't really touch the ground. They get like half an inch away from the ground, don't. Let's actually luck it in as rule of culture. It's rule of culture number

seventy nine. Bryce Stallas Howard always be Yeah, they she should get them surgically planted, and her iconic haircut is now gone, and she's wearing like a ponytail, like a more functional, like dinosaur saving ponytail. But they can't grab you by that pony. I know. I was going to say, we're getting a full master, but obviously a man wrote this movie. If they're going to think that those dinosaurs aren't going to go right for that ponytail, that they've

never been on a job, Yes, exactly. Listen. I am so excited to go see the movie and I'm I understand. I understand from it that they have to return to the island to save the dinosaurs because the island is going to explode. That is so it's like a volcano island, and so they understand that they have to go talk back to the island. It's a son to save the

dinosaurs and I don't know, bring them where. I don't know, but the island does explode, and that's what you see in the trailer is the whole island exploding, dinosaurs hopping in the water, and if what we're seeing is to be believed, the dinosaurs come back to society and they like teach them how to be real English ladies, fair lady, or they eat everybody all or Beaty Wang comes back um and like just like like invites them to his

all Asian brunch. In the first Durassic he was the first, and he was in the original he was sort of a villain. Yeah, I think he is the villain. Yeah, this is I was thinking in the car there was like not a line I wish I had written more than clever Girl. I think it is one of the best lines. It can be used. Like it's so good in the first movie. It's also so good as like camp. It's unbelievable to think about that. They when Spielberg was making Jurassic Park, he knew it was going to be huge.

And in the script there's the line hold onto your butts. And they said, and they said, you know, hundreds of millions of people are going to see this, keep it. Keep the line. It's you know, he fought for that line. We're gonna stick with it. I mean would say it. Yeah,

the character would say. This character was Every frame had to be like poured over, you know what I mean, Let's let's really decide it and hold onto here abouts have made it And and Clever Girl made it and all these things, and it's just like, will be thankful today. You don't have enough catch phrases where catch phrase queenspid time like Oceans Loved It, but like give me, give me, well, give me like Anne Hathaway like saying something like I don't know what's a good what's a good? Hold onto

your lips. I think there's a sleeper there's a sleeper quote catchphrase in Oceans eight, which she's doing the like the walkthrough tour of the exhibit and the camera crews following I know what you're gonna say, and god you might remember how many? How many? But that was that was the classes we got to like a catchphraseer she gives you over the shoulder, movie star glamour enough like so fun, okay it is so no, no, no no, we're gonna say it just is. It is drag queens like

everyone they're studied at least drag race. If not, you could do the same, you could you could do like the heightened person know that I was on RuPaul's drag you Yeah, I was like, I feel like I have to not leave this podcast without bringing them tell us everything, who who who was there? Who was there? Well? I was. When I first moved out to l A like seven years ago. I was on an extras casting website because

I just was like working on casting networks. I just wanted to do like weird stuff and film my days and make money. And on the casting website was a pasting notice for like, are you a sad woman? Do you love gay people? Then sign up for this new show check and check and checkmate. And I wrote an essay that was like mostly based in reality but essay driven.

It was like, you know, I exaggerated some things, um, and then you attached a photo and they called me in for like a in person interview and they were like, don't dress up rest normally. So my normal was I were full like a red track suit and then a huge nit sweater that had a big duck on the back, and I wore ballet slippers and my retainer and just like my glasses and looked horrible. I also like hadn't cut my hair in like four years, and they're like,

you are you know exactly what we're looking for. So I was on an episode and drag you if you do not remember, which probably everyone does. They would have three women who the queens would make over into drag queens to give them the confidence of a drag queen. And it was a single episode competition and I did

win my episode. I was not problematic at all, no, no, no no. I mean it's very layered, but I will say Rue is like the nicest person ever, and truly believed that he was like making our lives but like it was so sincere, and I truly was like, this is a very sweet person. And I had a one on one interview with Rue where I tried to make myself cry during it. But and I cannot find the episode online anyway. They truly did. I can't even like buy it. There's pictures of me online though my drag

name was Smoky Saint James. And it was like I was kind of conflicted about doing it when I first did, because I was like making up crazy ship to say and I was like should I do this? I remember talking with my mom being like is this like horrible that I'm doing this? And then now it is like the only thing I care that I've done. Which drag queen made you over? Maria. My episode was Maria Raven and ju Ju B Juju B, who I am a

big fan of uh was great. I feel like the queens did not really want to talk to about contested camera, which was fine, I there's but then the other girls I was competing against, We're both like lovely young women who I like became Facebook friends with. And I then was like, oh my god, this sucks that I'm basically doing this is a bit like they seemingly were doing it for real. All three of you like sort of like opted into the same thing. Something true, It was

just different things. Yeah, but we we had a lip sync and I lip sync. Let's get physical. I feel like I really really gave it my own. I will send it to someone. Is that the connection that got RuPaul on your web series? I so Ruepaul. That's the first time I met Roue. And then like he followed me on Twitter a few years ago and I messaged almost like hey, I'm such a big fan. But also funny thing is that I was this person. I was like,

oh my god, I totally remember you. And then when I was working at the Simpsons last winter, he actually came on into the voice and he's so funny and I got to hang out there and uh yeah, So so I emailed I emailed from my web series I Give with a bunch of famous people when you will see who I am varying degrees of friends with, and it was like but like sort of, it was just like, this is the stupidest possible thing I could ask you for.

And some people just immediately email back, like in two seconds. Row in two seconds emailed back and sent me some yeah and something. There's like hilarious clip that was like, girl, I do not think you should be doing this. You seem desperate. I just it's a really bad look. But honestly, if you want this on me, I'm all behind you. Bit And it was like I could not believe it, and I was so grateful to these people for playing along. Rue was the only one that tried to talk some sense.

I know. Everyone else was like, Megan, you're doing great. Your web series is amazing, But the thing that Rue is the truth teller? Truly? Are you a drag Race fan? I am, yeah, So to this thing? Who are you pulling for? Going forward? Um? Miss Fongjie And she's not she's she's coming back. Well, rumor has it that she she'll be back for season eleven. Rumor hasn't gotten her on my website. Next year, my website is gonna be full drag race. We just did with Alaska and so fantastic.

They were great for them. We're going to ask you what we ask all of our guests. Yes, we can't believe we're only getting to it now. We're all doing it now. The conversation is rollick, it's rolling. But then we'll ask, and then we'll move on. What is the culture that made you say culture is for me? This is to say that it's like like a piece of art, a book, a film, a TV show, a neighborhood, you know whatever. You woke up one day and you said, oh,

and this is like the culture that sang back. Well, my very very sincere answer is Steven Sonheim, which I from We were playing this game at work last week which was like which celebrity should they die? Do you

feel complete ownership over? Like who is the person that for you would be like, this is someone who was in my life to such an an intimate extent, And we were trying to list like three people, and I was like, the only person for me is Steven Sonheim, which from the time I was like a little kid, my mom is a huge Broadway. I'm like a huge Broadway that it's not clear and uh so introduced me

very young. But I just feel like every stage of my life growing up, I was like, oh, so, you can be incredible as a musician, and you can be funny, and you can be really dark, and you can be like sassy with attitude all at the same time and just really clever. And I feel like that sensibility carries

out into so many of my different interests. But also because that he always operates in such specific atmospheres, like that's something into the Woods is like just so genius that he took those stories and made it into what I think Sweeney Todd is, for me, the best thing I've ever seen. I agree. I actually have said this multiple times that I was like, I think sweet is

the best piece of art that exists. And I'm willing to have this this hopefully not argument but conversation with anyone, which is like it most successfully accomplishes the thing it's trying to set out to do. But it's also like, I love I love things that are like super on with like an intense edge to them. Um So that to me, Sweeney Todd in Middle school or high school.

When I first started listening to it was like so influential, groundbreaking. Um. Yeah, Before I moved here, I thought I wanted to move to New York and try to write Broadway Theater and then was like, I guess I'll move to l A instead, But somedale moved to New York. I mean, I'm just trying to knock them out. I really ideally want to get a bit egot where like I somehow play the

system in each of the category. One of my friends that were pitched that I should make a short film about the making of an Emmy for Megan and submitted for an Oscar documentary, which perfect. I'm going to work on that. Honestly, you know what. You know what I think is the easiest way to win an Oscar. You write a song in a movie. Yes, that is the easiest. It's like it seems like they're just giving these out, given them out, Sam Smith, not nomin or like write

it for an iconic film. I wrote. Yeah, I wrote for the Oscars this year. It was extremely fun but mostly like the craziest thing that I saw during this It also was unbelievable to see it like Sufie and Stephens singing in front of me was really amazing. But for dress rehearsal the day before the Oscars, I did not know this. The musicians come and sing their real songs, and so you get like Mary J. Blige singing only

to you and like ten other people. But for the so they can time the winners, they have stand ins who are extras who maybe kind of look like the people who could win, who come up and give fake speeches, but they write them. These stand ins write them like they are the people winning, and no share it on these people. It's like an amazing job and you get

to pretend like you're winning an oscar. But so like someone would play like Timothy shall Amy or whatever coming up to the stage and are they holding a statue, they get a fake statue and they'll be like, oh my god, thank you so much, I can't believe I'm like the youngest winner or whatever. Like facts about these people flies and sometimes they go along and have to get played off, and I was like, this is the most mind blowing thing I've ever seen. So obsessed with it.

I was like, this needs to be like a Christopher guest thing. The weirdest group. And I also was like I got the sense that they did feel like they were winning, which again it just was like you get you're on the stage people just like Mary J. Blige is saying with a choir, it feels real. You can't help but like live it a little bit. You're like, this might be the closest I get to this. This is amazing. I did a stand in for the ABC

Upfronts a few years ago. It was and like it was the year and they all had us do different like like, um, like we had a stand in for certain people and read what they were going to be saying off the prompter. So we had to be good reading off a prompter. And like I was playing John Ridley, who created American Crime on ABC, and I had to like do the speech that was like you know when they announced like a Best Picture nominee, like and it's like,

this is American Crime. I was serving you presenter And then they were, like someone said to me afterwards, They're like, you really read the copy very well. And it was the best compliment anyone ever gives me, because you know, as someone who wants to be involved in awards shows going forward, I would love to be a presenter. I

would love be presented. But now you'll know if you win for real, that you can like talk with the standard, like you'll know how to talk with this, and I'll be able to go up to them as like a talent and be like I was, how of you guys? I know, like this is a lot of standing, it's lot of sitting. Standard never get it. I get it, and somebody will be like me right now, winning Best Webby Best Webby, this bit we got. I'm obsessed. We got for Megan. We have to we have to make

it happen. It's it's it could span a career, I mean literally. Okay, I have a question for you. What is the best version of Sweeney Todd that you've seen? Because I am an I have seen. I saw two different productions of the one that's off Broadway right now at the that church. Yeah, I think I forgot what it's called Barrow Theater, and that was a really I thought that was a great production. Um, just because it's so intimate. You're basically sitting in the stage and they

like serve you pie. And I am like just truly partial to the original, which my mom a huge musical theater person. She has said that the best day of her life was giving birth to me and my twin brother, and the second best day of her life was when she was like twenty and saw the original Broadway production of Sweeney Todd and like it was like crying at the end by how much she loved it, but so emotional.

It's just like angel Landsbury, who is just truly a queen, was like so good at embodying the comment the comedy of Mrs Lovett, but then also the like true desperation of her ultimate tragedy. Like has a great voice, and I just think like as a performer, she's so warm and funny, and there's very few people like that where I really just like love them and they're not larger than like Patty Lapone is amazing, but she's like hilarious because she's so larger than life that you're like, that's

Patty LuPone. Angela is more subtle in the way. My favorite that I will sit down and watch the whole thing like maybe three or four times a year is the concert version with Patty Lapone and George Hearn and Neal Patrick Harris, And I think that is amazing to me. And what's emblematic of what's so great about that is Patty Lapone's performance of Worst Pies in London because of what you said, like the broad kind of like genius execution of comedy there while she's singing in this opera

attic style, just note perfectly telling the story. Because sometimes with Angela Lansbury and this is and and listen, listen, it's fine, it's fine, it's a safe space. I trust my sister's UM. I have a hard time and this is my problem with Helen A. Bottom Carter in the movie. I have a hard time hearing exactly what every single word is. But Patty laponez was Partes and none, like she's just giving you, she's giving you no um for

your consideration. No, but for me, that number and that whole show, that performance of it, I just love because they leaned into the comedy and I think it's so funny, but it's also so scary and dark. And also I love that it's just everyone's in like studio blacks and they're just like doing the thing. And like I think of Swen, my god, I love you would love to

be love it. You would be great and you guys can be whoever you should be because you're evil and dark, because I'm evil and dark, and I think that I think I think i'll be and don't don't know one yell, but I think I want to be Johanna. Oh that would be beautify. I wait one more thing about when you shot and then I promised all stop talking about it.

One of my friends, who's a Broadway fan, brought up that he is one certain that Sweeney Todd and Mrs Lovett have sucked by the end of the show, like that this is a big discussion, and I was like blown away because I never once considered that in my entire life of listening to every single note of this show. I was like, no, it's clear to me that he has no use for her and that she is very like obsessed with how withholding he is and just like

keeps doing stuff for him. Like maybe I've I've been in the place of having an unrequited crush one or twice, one or twice where it's just like no one is giving you anything, so you're just like, I'll do anything for you. I'll go get you sandwich from CBS. Yeah, and you keep feeling so that's what I always assumed she was. And then they're like, no, he doesn't like her, but he's just like they're in a relationship or whatever. And that seemed crazy. My ap let teacher had had

to take on this. She said, study Sweeney Todd and he says, when my ap let teacher gay school. But I was so lucky because and this is actually an insane story, but I took a plet in high school and she like had us read all this these amazing novels and everything. But then she was like, we're going to actually stop the curriculum and you guys are gonna um.

Sweeney Todd was coming out of the movie and she was like, everyone goes see the movie this weekend and then we'll talk about Stevenson time and Sweeney Todd because what he does is in a way literally and um. So I went and saw it and the movie was like my first time ever seeing the story of it all the way through. And I do look back on the movie and I understand what it is, but I have like a like a dislike of it. The movie. Um. I was trying to like tiptoe around that, but the

movie sucks. Um. But she was like in this movie, those characters have sucked. And she was like, in other forms of it, like in the first when they taught, I don't think they've sucked, but in this movie they fucked. It just depends on whatever. And I was like, what's

making you say that. She's like, look at the way that like like she's covetous of him, but like it's like a more casual, lived in thing, Like you can get the sense that looking at those two actors and those are like little more sexual than than Angela Lansbury plays, right, which is like matronly and Sanya. I can tell you that in our production, me and Bowen will have know it's going to be over and possibly on the stage. Yeah, well, Steven Sneim will send us a letter. He sends us,

He sends letters. They were going to do an all male company at NYU. Here's the thing. Oh sorry, I don't mean to. As I explained at the beginning of this, when I flew to New York last weekend to see all of Angels in American one day, I then was read which I really loved. I was reading about the

director whose name is Maryanne Elliott. I think um and I was reading about her, and they were saying that she managed to convince Donheim to put on a all female company that they're doing in the West End, and she's such a talented director, and I'm like unbelievably excited for it, and I feel like maybe I'm cast. I don't know. I haven't like audition and no one knows who I am. Would you want to be a Bobby I don't think I'd think. I think truly, I should

just always play crazy people. So like Elaine Elaine Stretch, I would love I do it. I do it, not even when I'm supposed to be doing it. I'd come in during someone else's song and just start doing it. Oh my god, I love company. Can say it can make something sinful. I have never seen any iteration of Sweeny Todd besides the movie, and it's like completely ruined

it for me. And I don't send you the link, um send me the link because you know because now because now they're putting up all like the original productions on YouTube and you can watch the whole thing. One. I've been one day just like getting Stone and watching all of Sunday in the Park, like Bernadette Man was the best. I've seen so many bootleg Broadway shows on YouTube,

which is like a sign of like true obsession. Is like me and like one of my best friends from school would just watch like Wicked taped on a cam quarter in the back row and you just like see half of someone's head in it, and I just craved it so much I had to watch it. There's also me and my roommate for there's like a two hour super cut of everyone who's played Alphaba. I was just and I from The Wizard and I, and it is like so funny, but then also genuinely or just like

that was great. That was That's a great riff. I haven't heard that one before. I have seen every single defying gravity performance. Yeah, and there is one single one that is the best. Her name is Brandy Chavon Massey and she she was an understudy who got her moment Darling and she told everyone when she said, She's like, if I'm going on, I will be unforgettable. I don't know if it'll be good, I don't know if it will be the single, but it will be unforgettable. Do

do it yourself a favor. Listen to the last two minutes of Brandy chevon Massey's only defying gravity. It is full. I did not realize you we did so so so the way that you do the last trips. She even like she and the lead and the lead to it. It's a wild ride and we are on it. But the least the left that she decided to do instead of was and I was just like, oh my god. You hear her throat rip and half honestly, everyone in the audience is dead. Just keep happing to go up.

And then once like you could tell all the whole company was like they were just like, oh my god, no one survived, nobody. That is like the end, believe it all out on this thing. She can't possibly have done too After that, she has no way. She's singing no good day after the experience that was, I'm like flop sweating thinking about her doing that. Everyone overwhelmed. Go YouTube. It is a moment in time, a moment in time. And also like that's such as it's like trash, but

Wicked is so clever. I think it's good. I think it's definitely clever. There's definitely like four or five songs when you're like people wonderful. It's wonderful. It's like a w n B A thing. People should on it all the time. It's a punchling now. But it's it's so good first of all, Like I truly think it's such a good story of like female friendship. It's like a really great not it's like not about the romance really, and I think that's so fun. It's about aspiration. It's

I definitely want to play like fat Glenda. That's like another one of like my idea. I mean, I won't say I'm fat, I'll say that I'm a big Glinda. Glenda was never like wait specific, I know. I just feel like every Glender I've seen has been so tiny. Megan has hips and like a five eight, like I broke a chair as I said, I'm just like a like a dense woman. And then you want to play you want to play big Jewish Glinda. Yeah, I want

to play Jewish Glinda. I think that's a great idea. Okay, so we're talking about doing no, we're talking about the imaging Wicked and um, you play um Alphabet in act one and I do Alphabet in act two, and we switch roles, so we do Glinda Alphabet. I don't like that. I think it's I think it's too You're like, it's like, I think it's a weekend of shows and then one night we would play one during Yeah, I don't I don't like that, and I don't like that, and I

won't do that. I should switch off mid scene, Like, I think you need to start like playing with it. We're like, but I also obviously want the two alphabets to like get in a fight. Yeah, you want the whole show to breakdown and become about it behind the scenes melt down. Yes, yeah, I love that. Okay, before we go on to constructed Wicket, deconstructed Wicket, Before we move on, what did you think of Angels? That is amazing?

I did? This is like my I had heard a lot of amazing things about Andrew Garfield, who I did not like. My hot take is like, why is he doing what I felt like was a caricature. It's like

that was just my personal reaction. Is I felt like I was watching him doing this character and being like, I'm Andrew Garfield and look at how much I'm putting myself through to play Prior Walter, the guy who played Louis, who I had never seen before, and it turns out is like a Scottish guy playing a flawless like Jewish nebishy guy was unbelievable. I kept thinking that he was forgetting his lines because he was so natural on stage. And also like, I am not a good actor. I'm

a good web series actor. I'm a good I think like theater comedy actor. I'm not like someone who has figured out what all the lines mean. Like I thought of going over a script and being like, what is this person trying to say? I'm like, no, say a joke. But so when I see actual good acting, I'm like so blown away by it. And also just seeing ten hours of theater is like, oh my god. Like literally I went to New York red Eye, got in Saturday, saw ten hours of theater and left on Sunday, and

it was like so soothing and you don't get that. No, that's a pilgrimage. It's literally like a religious journey. I live my brand. Do people usually see it in one day or do they do it on two different days? People have been doing it, like Josh thought, like did the whole one day thing. It's good to do it all in one day because it truly like you forget about the world. You're just like And also because you're watching these actors having memorized too full like four hour plays,

it's unbelievable. I like have a horrible memory. I don't remember how I got to this podcast. I floated here somehow. The thought of like having to memorize that many words, it's crazy, it's very scary. But you were very good at memorizing the very real stress script. Yeah yeah, like yeah, for like three minute episodes. I'm really actually very good

at memorize. But the scripts, I mean, I wrote the scripts, so I think it's easier when when you write the scripts out, which is why I always demands to be the writer an actor on all my projects. Yeah. Absolutely. If I'm ever like lucky enough to book anything, I'll just tell them great and I have to go come in and just quickly rewrite the whole script and just be easier for me to memorize of um wow, this I literally I literally could go on for many hours hours.

But then here's the good news if you and it's tonight people is I don't think so honey live the Eco Plex. So if you want more of all of this, you can come out to the Eco Plex tonight. Doors open at eight pm and shell will begin at nine pm, and Megan is going to be there. I love that it's Saturday right now, but we can be like tonight and you're listening, it's going to be Tuesday. That's an industry.

Can see who listen after Tuesday? You still hear a say tonight, Yeah, yeah, yeah, if it's Tuesday, June twelve, guys, it's tonight. If it's any other time, not, don't go to the You're going to see some rock bands of course. Oh we got our dates mixed step. This is not coming out intent that's coming in June twelve, a day after Emmy voting opens, Okay, right, but you can still vote on the twelve, Yes, yeah, you can vote until

until another day. Yeah, you're an Emmy voter. It's really important that you click on that little box that says Megan and Ram and Emmy for Megan. Um, but you guys also um villains of Megan's life Andrew Law and Darcy Carton will both be there as well. So would be great and more and more. But it's time. I don't think so, honey, And what is I don't think so honey, bow, I don't think, so honey. Is our segment where we take one minute to rail against something

in culture while saying the words I don't think, so honey. So, Matt, do you have something I do and it's not necessarily figured out, but I feel like I could talk a lot too. I am. I'm on the same boat. But let's do you want to start first? First? This is Matt Rodgers. I don't think when his time starts now, I don't think, so honey. John Jacob jingle Heimer Schmidt's song. Okay, So let's just briefly go through with This is John Jacob jingle Heimer Schman. His name is my name too.

Whenever we go out that people always shout they say John Jacob jingle Heimershman naa na na Okay. First of all, who named their kid this? Second of all, very unlikely. I don't think, so honey, that someone else has that name. His name is my name too. You're going to run into someone with John Jacob jingle Haimer Smith. I think that there's a lot of questions about the reality of this. This is not a ground to reality. Furthermore, his name is my name too. Whenever we go out. So now

what what connects you? The fact that your name is is the same things that I hate. I would not go hang out with them. Whenever we go out. Apparently it's a lot. People always shout. They say, John, Jacob, Jingle Heimer Schmidt. Now, where the funk do you live? This is a really aggressive area and you need to move. I don't think, so, honey, the way you're living your life. Get a better friend with a more dynamic name, that's real, and they stop with this toxic energy. And that's one minute.

I really don't like that song. So I don't like that song. I don't thank you for that service. Um you know it's it's an IRA. It's like a pub song though. Yeah, but I don't also don't like pubs. I don't think so, honey. Pubs. I think it's a place where everyone goes and drinks. Sure, I mean, just by design, let's disgust. Okay, um, all right and his time starts now. I don't think so, honey. Motorized scooters in Santa Monica. They're everywhere. And someone told me at

a general what are you doing after this? I go, maybe I'm in Santa Monica. I'll go down to the pier. Of course, I have to get a pier, a little pier, stroll in and they go, you have to use Bird. It's this app. It's the service you rent a motorized scooter. They're everywhere. You just hop on one and go and I go, great, that sounds wonderful. And I said, oh, but my family, I we have bad luck with wheeled vehicles, with like you know, things you would have to wear

a helmet for. Fine, it's safe to do it. I go. I figured out, I download the I paid three dollars for it, and it was It was truly truly a terrifying experience. I thought I was going to die get hit by a car on Colorado Avenue. It was truly wild. I immediately my judgment got the better of me. I said, I cannot do this. My grandma, my grandmother got hit by a bus in China while she was on a bicycle. My mother got by a bus when she wasn't China. I'm not about to get hit on a Bird scooter

while I'm in Santa Monica. And that's Bird motorized scooter. That's also I think. I think there's a real issue in America that we are not talking about. And that's this thing of allowing everyone to just get on a city bike. Everyone just get on a scooter like you guys, These are hard things to drive. Usually need a license, Usually need a license. Okay, wow, and now it's time for Megan Amy Megan, um, are you ready? Yeah. I just want to make sure that no one has no

I'll just do it. Everyone's really really concerned with like making sure that it's something new. It doesn't matter. Okay, this is Megan amy Ms. I don't think so, honey. Her time starts now. I don't think so honey. Hello Kitty, you white bit. I always said that I loved her. First of all, she doesn't have a fucking mouth like you are. Just being such a passive, aggressive bitch. You're not even willing to say what you goddamn think. Also, you are always turned in profile. I think it's like

super fucked up. You will not just like look me straight in the eye, white bit. Also a Hello. Kitty's name is Kitty White. She's in third grade, and she is the size of three apples. I think it is so honestly insane that you're measuring your weight in apple. Anyone could be any amount of apples, but give me your pounds, because then I will know if you're really fat, you bitch. I also just think this is the most sucked up thing. Hello Katy has a cat named Charmie Kitty.

That is her pet. That is a slave. Hello Kitty has a slave, has a cat as a pet. It looks more like a real cat than she does. And I know that people have tried to say that she's not a cat. She is and she owns another second, free charming. That's all I have to say, my god, free Charmillo Kitty. Okay, so that's one minute. So what

you're saying is that Hello Kitty is a white supremacist. No, No, she's just and honestly, this, this whole thing is also fucked up because I love Hello and I'm literally wearing Hello Kitty socks right now. But I do think she needs to just like be real. My sister is going to be mortified to hear. She's gonna be relieved here you said that you actually love Hello Kitty. I mean I'm going to show you my socks. Please love Hello. Wait wait wait, so you're wearing a sock that's very

low cut. How do they stay on your feet. I can never they don't only make Hello Kitty socks for like size eleven women. Look, the San Real universe is fucked up. I don't. It's a bit that all the creators are like, Hello Katy is not actually cat, She's a person. I think, very honestly, that's like a lost in translation, like she is a anthropomorphized catch where she is like clearly a girl cat, like she goes to school. Yeah, but so she's not like a pet cat. But I

think it's crazy that she has a pet cat. It's like if it's like if Goofy's pet was Pluto, that's I think the closest closest analogy. But Mickey's pet is Pluto. Yeah, which is like still weird because they're both those are both dogs, Like a dog is fine, yes, but a dog owning a dog is crazy. Yes, yes, that's exactly right. Absolutely. Wait, okay, so how do we think Hello Kitty came to be? Did a person fuck a cat? They haven't gotten into

the origin story yet. I want to make a dark like Batman begins Christopher Nolan movie about Hello Kitty, But apparently she doesn't have a mouth because they want you to be able to put your own emotions onto her. I don't like that having her own emotions. That's what I think. Yeah, don't make Hello Kitty a bla do your work for you. You're made unless you're giving me a check and last night check. You have to pay

for Hello you. I think that's one of my favorite And also as a Korean American woman, that was that you were impowered about this. Japanese Beau said what I said, Um wow, what what a thrilling episode. This is very thrillingly. This is when I'm a culture. We got into the we got into past culture and we got into present culture. And we should say again, if you have not watched an Emmy for Megan, then you don't get it, and that's future culture. It's really no, it's out right now.

You can watch it right to the website www dot and Emmy for Megan dot com. I watched it on video. Is that okay? That's how I prefer it to be watched. Built it by hand, yeah, built it by hand. But well there you go, and you can see um guest spots from and I'm quoting you, um you that fucking bitch Darcy Carden, who kills, which I think is amazing writing. And I also I think the best, the best line of the whole thing is you should win an Best betrayal.

Thank you for froming at the mouth. Amazing you wrote that. And um, I guess because we um we do end every episode with the song. Um, I think we know what we're gonna do. Here we go bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum. So if you can't define me to the Westerns guy someone so lately, everyone deserves a chance to fly and pum fly. So at least I'm flying. To those who are round me, take a message back

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