"EXPOSED" (w/ Matt & Bowen)

of really converging in this room. I think Sunday. Let's talk about Sunday. Sunday is one of the most iconic days, so commonly one of the things you think of when you think Sunday is, of course brunch, which we did do today. Did that with Joe Kim and his boyfriend John Michael, the iconic John Michael with an iconic class name, SuDS SuDS An. We're fully dock and beautiful boy. He

is such a wonderful boy. You won You know what I love is when people come up to us and they say, you do look alike girl, because he's hot. Let's just say it. He's a reader, he's a reader publicist, and then we did so so our our our server brunch did point that out today, and then I get an iconic server today, Jessica. Jessica comes over to the table and Bone was there by himself, there by myself,

waiting for the rest of the group to join. I'm just they're sort of sitting, and then she comes up to me and she goes, Hi, how are Oh, I'm so sorry. You have an amazing energy. I was like, Oh, it wasn't even like oh my god, as people are wanting to do. It was oh my god, you have an amazing energy. And I was like, well, it's true. I wasn't giving off anything. And then and then you don't have to Okay, that's what a star does. This is what happened though. She said that, and I was like,

I received that, thank you so much. But then, of course, what should happen. I go into my own head and go, well, now I'm like a little too like aware of your own energy, trying to adjust and be like, oh, let me like not go too strong with that, like like let me just like pull back a little. I don't. Then you start to second guess yourself when someone gives you a compliment like that that's so abstract, lovely compliment, that feeling when you're emanating so hard that you have

to pull it back. Girl say absolutely slay and go off. And wasn't just to say about slay and go off. We saw Mutu Juhari yesterday and checked them with her and what the do people know about slay? What you want to say? Do? I think we've said? I think we have documented before In the song Mutu Juhari did an incredible update of the song Brave by Sarah Barrellis. This is a circuit two sixt so way back and sort of the what we call in the pop culture

um lexicon the Brave by Sarah burrellas era. So this is when Brave was sort of the top song of the moment, and the song goes like this, Slay, what do you want to slay? I let the queen and drag her honestly, see you go off? An improvement on the song on the original let me see you go off. Sometimes I do want to see you go off. I want to see you go off. There's never a time where I don't want to see you, my sister go off.

You're in luck because let me tell you something. It's an episode of Last Culturess, and I have no choice but to absolutely pop off on pop culture and all the topics they're in. Okay, they're solely based on the one event that they let Matt and I go to, the one like semi prestigious Hollywood event that we were able to go to this awards season together. It was the Critics Choice Awards, which, let's just say, I didn't realize. Did you realize that it was going to be film

and television? I wasn't sure. Well, you had come up, you had come to meet me in my hotel. First of all, landed at a cool eleven thirty am. I had to be at my hotel and be like ready for like the people to come in and like do your hair and makeup and put you in your clothes at like twelve thirty. So I had no time at all. I'm jet lagged, not even jet left. You're dragging, sleep deprived, dragging,

just really really in the depths. And so I came over to the hotel to sort of get ready for it, and I of course said what you always have to say to a tired person, which is, well, let's drink. Well, let's said, let's order a bottle of champagne. We were celebrating you were nominated, and it was the right move. I don't regret that champagne at all. Really loosened me up, really energized to me. But then you had even asked me in that moment, is it film and TV? And

I was like, I'm really not sure. Come to find out, it's absolutely film and television. So we're there and I don't know how you feel, but like I was drunk from go. I was drunk from go on the Red carpet. If you go back, I I can. I just say I was dressed in the most wonderful garment by Willie Norris shout her out, and I was already three sheets to the wind on the red carpet if you like.

But I'm not so I'm saying I'm not proud of my Red carpet photos this time because I was not in the right state of mind by being sleep deprived and a little buzzed. I mean, I quickly found out that it was film and television. When because I was like, we get in line about so peek behind the curtain. You have to sort of like get in line for the red carpet. Let's tell it's like all these like cuckoo celebrities in line, like getting read for the Red carpet.

And I was like, girl, I'm not getting on this carpet. There's no reason for me to be out there this time, So let me go get another drink. So I go to the side and get another drink. And when I tell you, I'm at the bottom of the escalator, wait, and I'm literally it's literally like you guys would die picturing me at the bottom of the escalator waiting for Bowen, who was last down the escalator. By the way, you took the longest ast. Kristen Stewart is going by, Kirsten

Donson's going by, Elizabeth Olson goes by. Fucking everyone's going by, and I'm just literally sitting there like what the fuck is this? And it's like sinking in that it's film and television, which also makes me realize she's gonna be long. She's gonna be a long show. And we were drunk already, and I knew we were gonna be drinking at the table, but I said, they have there has to be like an entree at the table. We arrived at the table. It's not even room temperature. Hummus, it was cold. It

was giving. I mean, I had no problem with the temperature of the hummus and the big piece of bread they gave. But that was all it was. That was all it was. And so of course everybody getting wasted, wasted. I'm quoting this song. But yes, see, everybody in the club, get tips. Everybody out back out to that, shout back out to who is that? Who's saying that? Man, I don't know that one's lost the time. I don't even think you can google that. I don't even think you

can google who's saying tipsy? See that's what I'm saying. It's like who who could say that? Who can Jakewan tipsy? Like talk about the Sarah Brella's Brave of its Time and that it was everywhere in the year it was out, which was let's say two thousand seven. If you were everybody in the if you were to if you were to do like a maitre Jhary like re rewrite of

the lyrics, what would that be? Everybody at the gig, go sligh, Everybody at the gig, everybody at the event, get drunk, So that was sort of what everyone was doing, and you sort of look around and it's all these psychotically famous people, and of course you know Bow and Yang we were all rooting for. But he did lose to Brett Goldstein, who was one, I think at the Pulitzer Prize and Nobel Prize. At this point like wins

every single award that is actually in existence. So we were sort of like, okay, Sligh, go off quick, Um, we're happy for him in London, But then we proceeded to get even drunker. There was a thirty minute period of panic when I lost my phone. That wasn't the most high stick situation I've ever I think it was in tears. You were I'm sorry, you were comically distress.

It wasn't even it wasn't funny embarrassing, but you were just like it was as if like someone was debb some I didn't want to say it, but you know, like someone had passed away because like I really didn't want to lose my phone Critic's choice, and so then I was so blacked out by like literally the show

was still forty five minutes left to go. Did I tell you Darcy sent me a video of me standing full up while Jane Campion is on stage, not not making the Venus and Serena comment, but with her and her producer and Kirsten and Jesse Clemens accepting Best Pictures accepting Best Picture for Power the Dog. I'm standing up. You're the only person standing up in that room of hundreds of a to see listers. You getting up and

just looking so and I'm walking out. I honestly, it was that kind of thing where it was like I don't remember that happening at all. And that's what I mean, is like when I tell you they don't feed you at all. So so anyway, just know that's where we were at. I did find my phone. Thank you Kevin over your work security. You are an absolute star. You got my phone back. It was me you, Lauren Mindel

Love our Girl. Lauren was nominated for producing Joy Nicole Johnson's Slay and Joy was we were was the superstar of this after part looked incredible, looked incredible. We need to get Joy on the spot. We were in this space. Joints were being handed, handed around, passed around. So let's just say this. I'm so tired. I'm sorry, there's someone in Hollywood that no one is talking about that as an icon, and or no one's talking about them enough. That is an icon that was handing out blunts at

this Netflix after party like they were the queen. It was the most, to say the least, everybody was wasted. Are you about to say that you think that critics Joyce is trying to make a play for being I think that they're trying to be the new Globes, because the globes are like not existing, not existing anymore. And I think if they're trying to be the award show that gets everyone there, fuck upshed, mission a percent accomplished.

I lost faculties on the night to the point where this weed that we were handed by this absolute legend, legend in the making, legend already, but more people will be talking about. It's just I can't I can't explain, but the weed, I don't know what it did for you, but it was like it was like that weed we got from that other icon at the Madonna party, do you remember, very similar, and that legend gave us weed

and it took us to another place. It was like you guys, you readers, know, like when you smoke weed and you're in space, but you can fill your feet on the ground. It's like an hour and a half later, I felt my feet like two on the ground and I was wearing heavy boots. So when I realized I couldn't pick my feet up anymore at PM, I was like, okay, girl, it's time to get my it's time to throw my ass and A left and didn't even say goodbye to you. Know you didn't and I don't. I don't regret you

of that either. I had to go, But I actually kind of loved the timing of this day, this night because the show starts at the awards start at four pm Pacific. By ten pm, you're done, you're absolutely cook. And it's actually a great time to go to bed on a Sunday like Thanksgiving dinner, like Thanksgiving dinner, and you're getting up tomorrow to go to Kohl's to go Black Friday shopping a work for I had to fully work.

You had to work. I had nothing going on, but it was It's just it's nice to tell you we had a fun fucking evening despite your loss. Oh my god. I was not expecting anything, truly, truly, truly and you know who we met and connected with, and it's she's going to be a future guest. Oh my god, the one and only Josie Tode, Josie Tode, who is just

absolutely resplendent in person, a superstar. And we're in talks with Camp Josie to get her in this fucking room so we can all sort of, you know, verbally tickle each other as it were. Oh my god, that is exactly essentially. And you are speaking as a tickler, and I'm agreeing with you as a person who hates getting tickled. Yeah, but we can both be excited for the tickle fest that will be Josie being on the pod. It has to be in person, I'm sorry. And if it doesn't

work out that way then that's fine too. But I would love for it to be in person. Yeah, I would love that too. But Josie, um verbal tickling is perfect. She's gonna come in here. All of our little digits are gonna be out just like a very naturally funny person. Funny. I loved her and it was just fun. And also, you know, it is so much culture was happening in that very moment. In fact, I think we have to discuss some things that happened, so you couldn't tell if

the Netflix after a party that this had happened. But Jane can't be in While accepting the Best Director award at the Critics Choice Awards, said Venus and Serena, you don't have to play with the men like I do. No reason for her to say that, no real reason for this to be said, kind of a really really kind of deranged thing to say, I would sort of deranged. And now you sort of see the winds turning away from Power of the Dog and towards Code. But but

voting is closed for the Oscars. I don't think it is. I think there's still some time left for the Oscars. And you know, I don't know if if there's any way she loses the Best Director Oscar. And it's just such a shame because it's such a slam dunk, like she so deserves that bone and I both stam Power of the Dog. But you're saying like, if she wins, it won't be this victory lap moment for her on

on Oscar Sunday. It'll be like, Okay, there goes Jane. Well, she did put out a good apology, Yes, I think she did, and um, it was funny because it happened. This is you know, the devil works quick because this is the same weekend where she responded to all those did you see the common that Sam Elliott made about the power of the dog. So I literally was talking to Mark Malkin on the red carpet and I said,

I was wasted. There's video of this. I want to look us up, but I'm I'm talking to Mark and I'm going thank you for like asking like like like that moment is like, you know, we're talking about this Jane Campion moment. He was like all I did was asking her the question and then we talked about her. Marcus Marcus a slay and looking good. He's looking good. He's a slay. And also I want to shout out

Mark because Mark also really supported three months. Mark really supported three months and he's so excited for Fire Island. He couldn't He would not stop talking to me about how's excited is Maybe Mark should come on the part. I would love for Mark to come on the Yeah, that would be a fun idea. Oh my god, he would be he would have so much to say. I think that we would have a lot to say because Marcus an icon and let's let's let's let's just bookmark that.

Let's put a pin in that and say you were just so you asked, you told him question. We just talked about that moment and and you know, I just said, like what a great moment that was, and like, what a great line. He's not a cowboy, He's an actor. So for those of you readers out there that don't know what we're discussing, basically, Sam Elliott, like unprompted a couple of weeks ago, came out with this, Like he was interviewed and he was asked about Power of the Dog.

And I suppose, you know, because Sam Elliott is synonymous with the Western genre or is that gives the type of vibe he gives as an actor, he felt entitled to say what he said, which was basically, why would

they shoot this western in New Zealand? What does she know about Western's, etcetera sort of dragging the hell out of Power of the Dog, saying some you know, not so thinly veiled homophobic things about how there was a lot of gay ship in the movie, and um, you know, ultimately just kind of dragging power of the dog and being like calling it a piece of ship and stuff. So, Mark Malkin, if you don't know exactly who he is,

you have seen him. He's sort of been like a fixture in pop culture and in media for quite a long time. Asked Jane Campion a out it, and Jane Campion basically said, in not exactly these words, but she basically said, well, I think he was being a little b I T C H. And I have news for him.

He's not a cowboy. He's an actor. And also it felt a little sexist to me, and like basically saying like artists and creators, like she was fully entitled to make this movie and shoot it whatever she wanted to, and it's actually an incredibly beautiful film and it's well done, and it's I mean, he wishes he were he were in it. So then she goes like super viral in a positive way for that comment for like twenty four hours, maybe less than that. Yeah, So then she wins the

Best Director Award. Were you in the room for that? Because I was off looking for my phone, neither of us in the room. I was not in the room for that, And if I was, I was plastered. Honestly, I think had she said it and we've been in the room, we would have reacted. So I know for a fact because after you lost me kind of like I was like, let's go drink, which is the beauty of that kind of which is like like the I mean that was kind of like all right, well, well

we had wine at the Emmys. But um, but like I always appreciate like some access to some coping thing, and yes, I was not. I was pretty checked out there. And that's also what's good about like the categories that like you're in like earlier early bitch supporting in a comedy that's like first or second, and so you find out your faith and then you're you're yes, So then

we're off getting wasted. Apparently she says this thing and goes bad viral on Twitter, Like within twenty four hours, it was up, it was down, it was all around Live Houston. We love them, Jasmine Saboy Brown, absolute slay. We were we were vibing with the cast of Yellow Jackets. And then again, this is the thing that we will admit, we were very and they listened to the podcast and we were very uprom with them. We were like we still haven't seen it. We're so sorry, and they were like, oh,

we don't fucking care. Yeah. But you know what though, and I do want to shout out Melanie Lynsky Melanie, because it's because congrats, it's it's giving overdue, it's it's giving character actress gets hers in a way that I'm obsessed with. She also gave an iconic speech. I was just so because I always, like, all the time people come up to me and say I don't want justin now. But I'm like, you know, I'm like, Okay, that's fine,

Like it doesn't really affect anything about this interaction. But like I think, and I find it sort of nice when people don't let that sort of totally change the conversation. I feel ashamed as a Showtime girl that I have not watched this show. But I'm I literally like, should be watching it totally. It's like it freaks me out a little bit. But Melanie Lynskey won Best Actress in a Drama Series and her speech was absolutely amazing and it was this, I really wasn't expecting this. I'm going

to be really bad um at the speech. Um. There's so many amazing women in this category. I can't believe it. I can't believe I'm mentioned alongside you. Oh my god, the beautiful cast of our show I have. They're the most talented group of people I've ever had the opportunity to work with. Sophie in the least, you did about seven percent of the work for me playing young Shawna. You're a miracle and I love you. You're all amazing. All my wonderful friends who I got to work alongside.

Thank you. Um. I feel like I'm the faint, but I hope I don't. UM. Ashley and Barton, Jonathan and Karen, thank you for giving me this opportunity. UM. Thank you for letting me be exactly as I am, not asking me to change anything or do anything different. UM. It means a lot. It's meaningful. UM gosh, thank you Showtime and E one. I have the greatest agent in the world, Runda Price. She believes in me. She's made about zero dollars from me for a long time now. So thank

you for encouraging me to make good choices. UM. Sorry, sorry, Rhonda. UM please yes, exactly, yes, I know I'm forgetting everything. My husband Jason, the love of my life, the greatest support, our daughter, Kay Katya. I love you both so much. The most important person I think I have to thank and then I'm finished. As my nanny's Sally. I love her. She's she's an absolute angel. She allows she's with my child, and my child is safe and taken care of, and she allows me to go and do my work and

she's just thank you, Sally. I love you so much. Thank you. Okay the goad that that's her voice, that's her kiwis it is give, it is Kiwi boots kiot. And she's been in everything from like Sweet Home Outlabama where she did that accent, and like everything in her entire career. She's not handed that part over at all. It's really wild and like just what a what a

resume on her. I mean truly someone that has been in so many different kinds of things, and it's like it's like someone who's like reliably always good and fitting in perfectly, like you know, even just this year and um, don't look up. She was great. She was Leo's wife. Oh my god, she was amazing. And this is what I'm saying, this is why I love when this type of person, this type of actor gets shot. Is because

you're not like, oh yeah, I don't know. It's just this thing of like a true character actor that plays the roles and it's reliably good and you remember her from the movie, but you're not you don't feel like I don't think she's ever like came in and like ever chewed scenery or done too much. You know, she's just reliable good, does her fucking job. I think we say it's like Kirston vibe. It's like Kirston vibes without

only kind of fully keys into it. Doesn't like exactly, it doesn't like I don't know, like rock the Boat or anything or you know, not which sounds wrong, but you know what, you know what I mean, and I do know what I guess. What I'm saying is like it's a truly under the radar presence and actually it's you know, her breakout was Kay wins Let's break Out

with Heavenly Creatures, which is directed by Peter Jackson. I believe this is way back in so this is someone who's been around for an extremely long time and I was cheerleader. It's crazy, yes, like such a vast array of projects and now gets this great role in yellow jackets and like wins this big award and it's just cool because you have to imagine that everyone that's ever

worked with her is happy for her. And when she said that thing about thanks for asking you not to change or do anything different, you have to imagine like she someone to sit with that for her her whole career, someone who maybe hasn't fit into the box of what like you know, people want from like a leading type.

I also read an interview with her one time and she said, you know, sometimes she will get scripts and be offered the lead, and she always gravitates towards like the freak supporting character, like you know, something else, and I just I don't know. I just really really respect her as a performer, as an actor, and it's just nice to see a person like that get a lot

of credit like that. We were saying this earlier off Mike, but like there's something really cool about critics choice, having it be shaped by the critics and having nominees be really interesting, not like myself notwithstanding, it's like do get like in my let's just go with my category, um, just because this is the one I can name off

the top exactly. Harvey Harvey be in um fucking Raybord motto, like we had a had a fun, wacky category all kind of like kind of just covered all the bases, ran the gamut, and like it felt like very like much like a snapshot of like what these performances were this season, because you want to know what the critics actually do watch everything, and so you got a sense like looking around seeing everyone that was there. It was like, you know what's funny. It's like Kristin Chenowith was nominated

for Who Was? She was so great in that and such a such a highlight of that show and then recognized for it, even though the show doesn't necessarily have like buzz right now in terms of awards like right now, for me, it's like I would so much rather a a group like the critics or organization or whatever whoever, Critics Choice Association all getting together to vote on this instead of like, you know, eighty four foreign journalists who can throw a good party. This actually is a good

party that was thrown in. It's a fun show, but also at the same time it it's like a cultivated list of performers, like for example, fucking Josie Tote deserves to be nominated, and I think, I mean, I remember the first season I Saved by the Bell I I was on the nominating committee for Sagen. I wrote her name. She just deserves if you're going to talk about supporting actress in a comedy series, like, she's one of the

funniest ones. She's like, she's giving you like young Jenner Morone on that Tracy Wigfield show, like with the thirty rock DNA in it. Yes, like and also I will say this is just like whatever, like a little a little esoteric, a little whatever. Um, I'm so tired, but I'm sorry. I'm gonna keep saying it, which is one of the most interesting things people can say. It's u of culture number forty. One of the most interesting things people can say is I'm tired. I'm so tired, so tired.

But the thing about the lovely thing about critics choice being a nominee was having a lot of critics come up to me and say, it's so nice to meet you, like saying all these nice things, and I'm like, oh, this is like a thing that I take for granted. You don't get that the other rewards shows where you're talking to like if it was the Golden Globes. It was like just some hfp A fucking freaks, and you're like, oh, okay, hi,

it also matters what they think. That's the thing is, it's like, you know the projects that I've been in, because I've been in projects and I don't know how you feel, but like, I've been in projects that were both really well received and then really badly received, at least initially by critics. Which is so funny because Q Force was nominated for Animated Series and it was not well received by the critics at first, but I genuinely think that when more people sat with it and watched it,

they liked it more. But it actually really matters because nowadays there's so much ship you can watch, and so when something gets like panned, you know, it moves down your list, like and then you're not motivated to watch it. Exactly as a viewer, I'm like, well, I guess I'm not going to check that out because it seems like the critics say they don't like this, which is helpful, and also whatever, it's like it's complicated. But it's like I was about to say, much like alphabez, being a

critic is like going to war. Being a critic is going to have to watch a million but they enjoy it. They enjoy it, but to form to like really like scope out and like be like this is what I think the journalistic take on the show is is hard.

It's like very difficult. I also wonder how easy it is to take personal taste out of it, Like I think that some people who review things like you get a sense that they feel maybe because they've been doing it for a while, or their personal taste does inform their critical I that they feel very comfortable bringing like

their personal taste to it. Like for example, someone like I don't know what he doesn't do it anymore, but like Ben Brantley, it's like he was kind of the only critic in theater that really matters, which is kind of crazy because then you have to really cater to And I'm sure he's great at what he does, and he is great at what he does, but really one person who by being a human being, is subjective, whereas like it is shaping like the way that people consume

like a whole sector in a major way. I mean, he could he could open our closed shows like he could he could close a show with a bad review, and um, it's really interesting and also to to know what types of this is another thing that people don't really think about, is you know, back in the day, like anyway, when the critics as a as a whole, we're really mostly older and white and men. It's like

that informs the consensus on a project. So that's why, you know, romantic comedies were taken less seriously and by and large, and female driven things were taken less seriously by and large, or like you know, why certain people were anointed by critics and others were not, Like it really has to do with the critical body. And so that is another thing that we have to be talking

about in terms of diversity and representation. Oh it's the reason why we say things on this show like L O L like Clueless would have been nominated or Mean Girls would have been nominated, Like you know, you would have had Rachel like Adams be nominated where if it came out now or things like that, because sensibilities back then we're largely defined and shaped by the critical voices.

You know, sometimes when like queer reviewers look at a queer project, I wonder if they're harder on that project because they're looking at it through the lens of a queer eye. Not to say that that's that shouldn't happen, but but just you know, it's interesting the way certain things get funneled through this landscape that is the critical process. Um, and it's just interesting and so and something I really

enjoyed about the night the other night. And I think it might speak to the fact that like maybe now and only now are the Critics Organization, Is that Critics Choice Organization, our association ready to have a big show like this is because there was so much diversity in the nominees, because there really was there really was there truly was. And yeah, I don't know, I just um, I felt really lucky to be there. Truly was an honor just to be nominated. It was a really cool

show to go. Yeah, it was great. It was fun. And also so I mean, we were there, and so half the show was happening in London and half the show was happening there, and so we we were we was was Troy Cutzer at that show? Troy Cutzer, who was he is the supporting actor who's winning everything for Koda. Oh,

he was in. I think he wasn't no, he was in London because he had won the Bathta So the Bathtus were the same day as the Critics Choice Awards, so they were truly doing like six to eight hours of awards shows over there, which is insane knowing that we did not eat the whole time. I hope they

fed them. But like, um, it's also really nice, like lately to see the the diversity conversation now of um accompany deaf people, Like that's something I've been really enjoying about, like codas And I don't think for me personally, I I hope that Power of the Dog wins Best Picture. I think it's the best film of the year. But it's something that's nice, is like at least people's eyes are being opened, and now to the fact that this is a very underserved community in media. Very um. We

talked about this and we still haven't seen it. Um, I will before before Sunday. Yeah, I mean I remember I turned around and saw Marley Mallin at the awards

we got. I mean, she's an absolutely beautiful person, but then she was talking to Molly Shannon and I was like, there's a similar vibe here these two, these two women with like similar faces, similar stature, you know what it is like Marley obviously communicates with her the whole body, and Molly No, but I think they look alike, Like, yeah, I got to introduce Bowen and Molly Shannon and that was like a moment of my larious. I fucking love that woman, and I am obsessed for everyone to see

the show. I can't wait. Oh, let's talk about the trailer for I love that for you the Star. No, honestly, Vanessa, I just Molly and Matt Rodgers well and say, say it's Jennifer Lewis, Jennifer will I will say it was the first time I had seen sort of what the show is gonna look like, because it's so funny, because I think with almost everything I've done, I've been in some way creatively involved or at least, like, you know,

gotten to peek behind the curtain a little bit. With this, I'm kind of just like going out there, hitting my mark and getting the funk out. So this is my first time I've seen what the show is gonna look like, and it made me excited, really feeling. Boe goes to me, You're like in the trailer, I'm like, yeah, girl. I'm like in the show she's miss Button. You are serving the button button on a platter. I think everyone's gonna like the show. You guys, April twenty nine, it's streaming,

it's streaming. I can't wait. By then you will have to be a network sister with the Yellow Jackets cru see see. And this is the thing. It's like on on a on a basis of entertainment, Like I would love yellow Jackets, but people have, people who love gore and love horror have told me like this is not for you, mama, like turn away. It was making me queasy. So I want to watch it desperately, but like I have to be in their headspace. This is so boring.

Do the thing where you just close your eyes literally, Queen, I know. And we were just talking about this on the way here. Well, first of all, let'st's keep talking about I love that for you, but I just we were we were all said, we were staying in the car and me and Joel got brunched today with jmum really talking about how like Showtime is going to be that girl popping off. It's gonna pop off. Um. The first Lady's Show looks awesome. I just found out about

this today. Yes, so it's Viola Davis has Michelle Obama, Michelle Peiffer as Betty Ford, and Gillian Anderson as Eleanor Roosevelt. And I don't exactly know how they're going to roll it out, but it's a limited series and it's about the three of them, and obviously they don't interact, but um, it's going to I guess it's like a nonlinear type thing,

but um, it looks great. And when I heard Viola Davis Michelle Obama, I think some part of me was just like, oh, like is that like a little first thought? And then I saw the photo of her and I was like, oh my god, I'm so freaking excited. It was so impastiful. Joel showed me that that promo image and I was like, wow, you should see the trailer. Yeah,

I haven't even Yeah, it's great. And the thing someone said, like, well, what about Michelle Obama is like dramatically someone said someone did toss this off and it's I'm not dragging that person,

but they were like, what about Michelle Obama? It is like dramatically compelling, Like what what was the controversy during the Obama years, and I'm saying, like the fact that there was no controversy really during the Obama years, and the fact that she kept so composed and had to be an image of perfection that we had never seen before from a first lady simply because of her race and because she was now a prototype and a role

model for the rest of time. That is the dramatically compelling element, because you know, she had ups and downs emotionally. You know, that presidency ended in a harrowing So that's where it is. That's where it lies. And I mean you could do a whole fucking season of a show based on like that, like a moment where like the Trump's show up to the White House, it's like that's it's just yeah, I mean there's plenty there. There's plenty there.

And then I guess, you know, I'm I'm a flop, but I never read Becoming, but I feel like, um, you know, just pull from that. There's plenty of stuff.

I mean, I saw the Netflix series. And also she's been pretty open about the fact that that was health for her, like absolute health for her and Lady No, like the transition, transition that they had to go through with that in a dignified way, despite the fact that they were, you know, handing it over to clown dot com and um, I think that that had she acted any differently, people would have been all over it. And

people still found a way. I remember getting into like a Facebook argument with like a high school teacher I had about how, you know, she was wrong for calling out Trump or that she was like making it quote unquote about race about something, and I was just like, you gotta be fucking kidding me, I was like, and that just goes to show how people were primed to

try to destroy her. So she had to be everything and more and there is a lot to play there dramatically one percent one um and Viola will be She'll be amazing. And also because Viola is that power, that stoicism, but there is that passion. And the thing that I think about Viola Davis is acting, is there is such a there's always yes, it's at August Wilson thing of like it's just it's just like it's so it vibrates

in her. It's like we we remember doubt, you know, which was really her first big emergence onto the scene in her first Oscar nomination, and she's got that scene with Meryl Streep where Meryl Streep is confronting her because she well, she's informing her that her son is in a relationship with Philip semour Hoffmann, the priest that may be inappropriate, and Viola's job in the scene is too basically try to tell Meryl Streep it's not a big deal, and she's not interested in making a thing of it

because you know, if her husband were to find out, he would kill her his son. And you know what's so bad about this, you know, man taking care of her son and Meryl Streep is not able to understand it.

And Viola is so genius in that scene because she is maintaining a composure when inside it is so complicated and she does know her son is being taken advantage of, and she does have a deep understanding that this is wrong, and she is confused about her son's nature, and you know, there's just so much there and when she sort of blows and gets emotional, it's it's it's really sort of a special moment in acting because she's been holding it back and there's that tension and that repression that is

not easy to do. No. Um, I'm excited. I can't wait. I'm thrilled between First Ladies, First Lady, Fir First Lady, the First Ladies, that Yellow Jackets, I love that for you, Amazing, amazing. All I can tell you is that I sometimes find myself in a room with Vanessa Bayer, Molly Shannon, and Jennifer Lewis fucking firing off, and I'm like, I think I'm the luckiest person in that's so nice, man. I am like, I just like, I couldn't be more excited

for everyone to see it. But I know the headline will be that, like, come on, it's like Matt Rogers, Like everyone's gonna be like, oh, oh my god, well you're nice. Well we'll wait to see it first. I have no fears, I have no doubts. I'm like, like everyone internally is saying how great you are in it. I can't wait. I'm over here just like on the edge of my seat. I can't wait to watch. And um, even from the trailer, just like seeing you act opposite

Jennifer is incredible. And then Jennifer is giving you something that you we haven't really seen as an audience either. You know, it's amazing about Jennifer Is she vibe wise is exactly what you think, Like she is that larger than life personality. She is incredible. Like if you don't if you haven't read her book The Mother of Black Hollywood, you definitely have to or better yet, listen to it

on audiobooks. And she's made of stories. I am so like enriched by my interactions with her in terms of like the stories that she tells, but also like you know, when she tosses it away, she has such power. It's really interesting too, even just from the trailer, just being like, oh, she's really kind of playing it at a different frequency than what I've seen her do. And it's really it's like it's like, oh, this is so great. This is a new novel thing that we're getting from someone who's

been working in the industry for decades. It's an amazing role for her, and um, I'm really excited for people to see what they gave her and how it all unfold. But you know, so many things are coming out in April, like Barry is coming back, like Hacks is coming back, or April and May. Yeah, but are you watching Atlanta? I can't wait for Atlanta? Is coming back, like I mean, yes, I mean everything. It's almost like everything is coming out again because I feel like we're seeing what happened when

everyone got comfortable with COVID again. You know what it's like last year there was not that much. This year, it's like a fleet of shows that are coming out. Let's just be real towards the end of the Emmy deadline and um, it's like all happening at once, And like, I think that we're going to be hashtag eating in April and May in terms of new shows, new content, things coming out. I'm really interested to watch this. We work We crashed with Jared Letto and Anne Hathaway. Yes, yes,

although I guess and uh we we love Anne. It's funny that one of her I think she only said it once interpressed and in the press that she's done. But she's like, I still haven't technically met Jared Letto because he was encountering I don't know how I would be able to handle if I guess you'd have to. I don't foresee myself ever working with him, so I

will never know, but you never know. But I'm also I'm always like I'm not going to be like, I just want to be like, can we I would talk to a publicist, a literal publicist, and be like, maybe we don't talk about Jared in this because I don't know how to talk about him in a way that is not like deeply uncomfortable to everybody. To me as as a person, being like, oh, yeah, Jared was Jared was was peculiar. And then to have people be like, oh, what did Jared do? Like how is Jared on this set?

You know, maybe we cut this out? Well, he was there. I don't know. It's so funny too, because like we were sitting You're sitting there at the table, and I was looking around and I was like bowing. I just literally like saw like three people that we've dragged on this podcast. Shut up? Um god, what else? Crash fucking

bops on bops? She has said in interviews or she's tweeted like I want to have my big pop girl moment, And I think this is this is kind of the first genuine attempt at that since Sucker, since her second album. So okay, So this is so in terms of the chronology, this is this. This is what I find remarkable as as the sort of last album in her contract with Atlantic. I feel like it's just a beautiful retrospective and it's also very forward thinking in terms of like pop music

in general and her career. Like I I just think she's she's a genius. Yeah, I mean, she's unbelievable, unbelievable. I guess my thing is just like it's not that she's finally now making because I noticed a big article where she was just like she was the pull quote was I love selling out. And I'm like, oh, when I listen to this album, it must be like super

bubble gummy or whatever. And it really just sounds like I understand where those references are, but it sounds like Charlie xc X, Like it feels like just another great Charlie xc X album. And my thing is like, if people think, like all of a sudden, she's quote unquote selling out or this is like now now a pop record, maybe they just weren't listening close enough before because she's incredible music for years. I think this is a newer okay,

so true romances, Like it's her first album. She was like a zygote um super ethereal kind of ambient pop sucker is like, you know, boom clap, like gold coins like that, like you know that that is true bubblegum all the way through, right, Okay, So that's like then Charlie and then Charlie, which is like the first popped two into Charlie, which was like her full like hyper pop, like working with Sophie, working with a G. Cook, like we're like like PC music, like you know, like that's

like super experimental. Charlie was super experimental into How I'm Feeling Now, which was like extremely extremely or yeah, I mean or just like kind of super introspective, the most introspective thing. And then I think she wanted to break. I think it's really great genius play, holistic play to go, I'm gonna end this contract that she's kind of you know, gone on record and saying that it's been very tough

for her, tumultuous, tumultuous. They've delayed her releases, they've like prolonged the sort of window of the contract by pushing her album. And I think there's someone they're leaking her ship. Yeah, there's someone there. Someone call is coming from inside the

house there, because it's just ridiculous what happens to her. No, it's it's awful, and like, I think she's had a lot to say sort of in a very um diplomatic way or not so diplomatic, it doesn't really matter, But I think she sees from all sides how the industry treats women like she's in terms of her being a songwriter for other pop stars, in terms of in terms of her crafting her own career, like she's seen the darkness, and I think this album crashes her trying to like right,

some draw some huge middle finger to like the label while still sort of like I don't know, tipping her hat to like what they've done for her her whole career so far with them, and so like, um, you know crash like that that that the first track. It's like, um, I'm about to end it also legendary, like there's something like really something really dangerous about this, And I think she's like talked about how this album is very like eighties inspired, like there's a lot of Janet influences. There's

why her in the nineties house. Um, it's not like I get what you're saying, which is that it's not this like revolutionary record necessarily not not. I didn't say that. I said, it's not this new. Yeah, yeah, yeah, totally. Um, I just think it's a very I truly think we'll look back on this album ten years from now and be like god, wow crash in a moment. I feel like she this is her first album. I think her

first album. I'm gonna say her first album on the label, her first album so far in her career where everyone's been able to like talk about it. At the same time, it's somewhat in the monoculture. Also, the first time she's doing like super mainstream press, like she was on the Tonight Show, she was on SNL, like she never did that. She did, Yeah, she did SNL once. I think it was for Sucker. I think it was for but um she.

I think she just like really wanted to go all out before she moves on and and I think I really love it. I've been listening to Yuck and Every Rule, Every Rule is the Ballot Is. I was gonna say, I love the ballad on this album. Yeah, like and one of my favorite songs she's ever done as about, which is I don't want to know. Yes, I love I don't want to know. When I saw her on tour, like for the Charlie album she did I don't know, I don't know, and the lighting design was just like amazing.

She's a great live performance. And we also saw her with Taylor. Oh my god, what she opened for Taylor for reputation. I wasn't there. Oh you weren't there. So she was on. She Camila and Taylor and then y'all did shake it off together. It was really great. When we saw a night it was Haim, which was also very cool. Great. Um but yeah, Crash is wonderful. Moto Mommy Rosalia perfect. Hailey Winter has released her album too. It's called what's called hold On New Music by Muna Muna.

Oh my god, I can't wait for that one. That album coming out in June. Um wait, what is this Haley them hold On? Let me see Haley Winters. It's called Raised Raised, you would love it. It's Maren and Casey Early, Casey Musgraves. By the way, Marion Morris has new music out too, and it's this song called background Music, which I think is the best fucking things she's ever done. What background Music? You gotta check it out. I think it's really hard for people to do throwne, for her

to do throwne eighties Mercedes. That is the that is one of the best that that's going in the songbook. It's going in the songbook, which is on its way, you guys, but no, fucking you gotta listen to the song background music, like it's it's like she's ascended to

another level as a as a songwriter. Like it's so it's so specifically about her husband, um and basically it's a song about how they they get to be so lucky because they get to be creating the music that people dance to what in the background, And it's just it's a narrative. It's she has one lyric. It's like not every and he gets to something but I don't know, it's it's she's just so fucking good and she's such

a good sing like it's just crazy. She's so evocative sometimes I'll just like, if you want to hear how to sing a pop song, listen to the middle, bitch. The middle is how you execute pop vocals and you're talking about a country singer, and she does, but she gives you the full range of like just at the end of the second verse when she goes, oh no,

we got all an intention she throws it away. I'm just like, girl, you're absolutely it and like just her riffs at the end of the song, just like why don't you just be me in the middle baby, like where she finds that like like lying, I'm like, oh my god, her ear ear, she's got it. We Marion in this house. Maren, You're welcome to consciously no. But

here's the thing. You talk. We don't talk. We have we have corresponded into a couple of times talking, and I always like I literally will get my phone out and I'll get my instant messages out and I literally will will like half type in like hey, I have a podcast with a Bowen Yang and we would love to have you. And I always deleted because I get scared. But what do I have to lose? I don't saying no, like Matt. I don't want your nerves to get in the way of like having Maren on the plot or

just anything. I don't want your nerves to really deprive you. You deprive you of opportunities that should I do it right now like I did for Wendy right now, so right literal now, I'm gonna d m No, I can't do this. What what the fund is happening. I just said, you cannot let your fear get in the way. I'm gonna DM Aaron Morris, do it now. Okay. How do I say this? Well, Internet, Internet up girl, you can Okay, Okay, okay,

I'm saying these excuses, Aaron. I'm saying, Maren, absolutely obsessed, Maren. This is Maren. This is the darkest shot that's ever been shot in the dark. But if you have any time, this is a shot in the damn dark. But if you have any time, let's say an hour and a half to spare at any point, say ninety minutes to spare at any point. I have a podcast with Critics Choice Awardang from SNL. Oh my god, do I not

say that whatever we want? Okay with Boon Yang Um, I'm just gonna say it with bow and Yang and called lost Culture is thus okay, Oh my god, I'm sorry. We've just surpassed one million. I'm not gonna um have a post. And since we're both obsessed with you, we promised we would. We promised we would have a very fun but in depth conversation with you about the album and your prior work or whatever you want. To talk about. Um,

we strike just the right balance. Okay, no, no, no, okay, I'm saying, Maren, this is a shot in the damn dark. But if you have any time, let's say ninety minutes of spirit any point. I have a podcast with boy and called Lost, And since we're both obsessed with you, we'd feel dumb if we didn't ask you to be a guest. Um, we promised we would, we can and um, it would be so fun. I don't know, is it Housewives?

Maybe this is the way to get it. Okay, and we can talk about the album Housewine, so much things about the album every Housewives. I'm gonna say l o l um, everything and anything. Um. If this is not of interest or you have no time, no hard feelings, we will be front row at the show, no hard feelings. Can't wait to see you live when you roll through. Um, oh my god, you'd better be hitting sun bitch. Um, I'm saying, get back to me anytime. Okay, I'm gonna

send this. I'm nodding. Did you hit it? I hit it? I said that? Oh my god. Okay, okay her. In the words of Maddie from Euphoria, this is just the beginning. I can't wait if it happens, I would love for it to happen. I would love for it to happen. Publicists make it happen. Tag tag marin um. And by the way, speaking of music, guess who's on the show next week? Everybody? Oh my god, Betty, Betty absolute who?

And we did say that we were going to have more musicians on and this is the thing I think we might be delivering on that going forward in a very fun way. Do we reveal the other person who's coming? No, let's wait, Okay, let's wait, let's wait. Um, Well, you know in two weeks it's also going to be miss Garcel.

Oh my god, we have Garcel Bove. So next week is Betty who in the week after that is sucking guard fucking sell and okay, and then I would love to reveal this go ahead, we have Katie Crutchfield coming. Wax A Hatchie self just the best person, the best person, the best vibe she believe it or not. As as a reader, I'm obsessed. And yeah, and then there's gonna

be lots to talk about much tour. So she's if she's swinging by your your gotta go such a good live performer, what a what a what a great musical landscape we have out there. It's really fun right now. You were on Charlie's podcast. Yes, how is that? You know? It's I think I received the biggest compliment I've ever

the best. One of the best compliments I've ever gotten was from her was from Charlie, because it's just that the premises best song ever, and she gives you a bunch of prompts ahead of time, and you're supposed to like basically make a playlist based on each of her songs, Which is the best song ever? To like, um, you know, sing in the shower something generic like that? Uh, ranging from that to one of my problems was the best

song that would have been on the Icebergs album. You know, Like she's like, she's asking me like fun specific and so I gave her a bunch of you know, I wanted to say, I wanted to give like a broad range of stuff. And then what she said to me, and you can listen to this on the air on the podcast, she goes, bhen you have a really eclectic musical taste. She was like, um, you know, like my

friends and I were taught. Were like looking over the list and like, we're really impressed, and I was like, damn, I did it. I really I impressed Charlie x X on a musical level. It was really fun episode and she's so great. She's a great host, great to talk to in my episode. I think on DOA's podcast is coming out soon, which is at your Service, and she is a phenomenal podcast host. Really knows how to guide the conversation, ask you questions at the right time. Obsession

she's got, I have obsession. I'm obsession. I guess. I guess I'm obsession. I guess. Oh wait, I didn't. I didn't talk about Do's concert on this podcast. Oh my gosh, I wasn't so fun. So great she does like the do A dance like the mean Katie Perry, Okay, talk about it. I mean do it was phenomenal, Like I really, you really It has convinced me even more and as time goes on, I think I'll I'll believe this more more and more strongly. That album will never leave us.

That album will always be like so emotional for us because it was it came out like it came out around that time late in March and like it was all we had and we hung onto it for dear life.

It's the same. I told Katie this, Like, you know, her album um St Cloud came out mid March or late March two and I was like, that was like the first moment of joy I felt in Lockdown, which was like cracking open my window feeling the breeze coming because at that point I was not even going outside cracking open my window putting on her album and be like wow, I feel like I'm truly transported, and like do A's album was that, but like we will, it will not get old for me. That album will never

get old for me. Well, I was saying to Bow and like my my thought on Future Nostalgia that it is actually a formative pop album for theies. I think that Nostalgia will be to what Teenage Dream was to what like Love Angel Music Baby was to the Auts. Like I think that Future Nostalgia, if you listen to it again, it's actually there's there are classics all the

way through the album. Like I was thinking about the song Hallucinate and I'm like, Haucinate is a fucking bop and a half, Like obviously levitating which now is like a record holder for like the longest song on the Hot One by a female artist I believe obviously don't start now um uh fucking physical, which did not get it to do I think because, as we famously believe, the mainstream audience could smell the Academy in on it. It was too gay for America in the world. Break

my Heart, I break my Heart did great. Break my Heart is also amazing, even pretty please, Like just like over and over and over and over and over again, this the album delivers. And you know, as much as I fucking stand folklore and I appreciate it, I looking back in retros would probably say the album of that year was Nostalgia. Agree, and I think deserving of the Grammy. And it did win the Pop Vocal Album I mean, and it beat Folklore in that category, so it did.

It didn't go home empty handed. But like I just think in terms of how it's already feeling like it's going to hold up like future nostalgia is what I'm saying. Nostalgia is a fucking moment. It's a moment. It was a solidifier. It was it was like it was like pop stars dream of delivering a sophomore album like that, and I think the last time it like solidified someone

in lexicon in this way was probably teenage Dreams. Like the last time a sophomore album off a pop star of a promising pop star's debut album came out and was like that, that's awesome, UM, and do a we fucking love you. UM. Talk about Katy Perry now, well, another time I blacked out. The Katy Perry show in Vegas is one you want to go see. It's a visual treat. She's on it, you guys. Her comedy was hitting, her vocals were heading. She covers I'm not kidding You.

She covers the Greatest Love of All by Whitney fucking Houston. It was a swing and a home run. I am telling you, like every song delivered, I've now ever since her concert, I've listened to like, there's like a playlist on Spotify which is like Katy Perry Vegas play Residency, and I just listened to it and you're back there.

She starts with ET and goes into dark Horse or ET chained to the rhythm dark Horse, and it's like eat hits so hard, And when dark Horse started, I'm like this is about to fucking slap, And then it absolutely did, because it's just so loud and everyone's raging, and everyone's it's Vegas, and everyone's drinking like incredible, like teenage dream, like you're so in it, like California Girls. She doesn't. She does do a duet to California Girls with a piece of poop and a big red toilet,

and it's iconic. The piece of poop comes out of the toilet on the second verse and belts and riffed the word sex sick. Oh must say it must a lettle. It's the poop belting and riffing, and it's just it's so aggressively stupid, but so knowledgeable of how stupid it is. Also not for nothing but bon appetite. We forgot about bon appetite. We did not give bond appetite this moment. Swish swish absolutely slapped. Are you're You're about to be a witness apologist. I think I'm about to be a

witness apologist. I think I might even be a witness apologist. I think those were the only two songs she did from Witness which felt right because she's just got you forget so many fucking hit songs. Change the rhythm, change the rhythm es yes, yes, yes, yes that she did perform three, but like just waking Up in Vegas, she did this like different take on it. It was really fun. Um last Friday Night was incredible, which is not one

of my e's but like it was amazing. You don't think class fighting, you know what, Like it's just not what I think about. It's so perfect. Wide Awake. I absolutely loved. That's a great one while you're drunk or

you're on something. I was feeling every emotion in the song Wide Awake, to the point where at the end of the concert I was in full tears holding a woman from Anchorage, Alaska, weeping crying to firework oh yeah, which was the final of course, of course, and I was, I mean, I'm telling you, and I said I would be,

but I could not have been more fucked up. And I was crying holding this stranger who was also crying, and she had gone through a personal tragedy, which I feel weird sharing, but she shared that with me and we broke down, and then we went to fucking what's the gay bar in Vegas? We had something likeonic gay bar in Vegas and Jasmine Kennedy was before. Oh my god, it was amazing. Um, and then I cried again. True or false? Okay, my favorite type of question. Teenage Dream

is Max Martin's best song. I'm about to I think I'm about to take that stand stands I'm not ready to just throw since you've been gone under the bus, like, oh, I'm not ready to realize. But this is that. This is the thing about Max Martin is that the breadth is so large. I'm just not ready to since you've been gone under the bus in that way. And also, here's the thing. I don't care if you have a

show or not. When Kelly Clarkston goes to Vegas, we are going, Um, I will I will say that I think Teenage Dream is his best song of that decade. That's fair close. Second is like a blank space. First, God, you forget that he's those songs. Jesus Christ, what a fucking legend, Swedish legend, Stockholm birthdom, the world had him. But wow, what a moment, What Wow, What a moment, moment I will never forget. Well, God, how long have

we been going? I think long enough, long enough, I think long enough to say it's time for I don't think so honey. This is I don't think so honey. This is where we take one minute to go off on something in culture. Um it is you said I might, I might take a rest. You're gonna take a risk. I have something too, and I don't think it'll be a risk, but I think people will identify great, this is Matt Rodgers. I don't think so honey, And it's time starts now. I don't think so honey. Allergy season

during the COVID pandemic, because Mama, I'm spinning out. I have symptoms down, but I also don't have COVID like fully, but but but the way the way I'm like, stuff the hell up having a sore throat, and I'm like needing to not have COVID for work. And yet it's allergy season here in l A. The damn Santa and the winds are blowing around the pollen. I suppose the group chat are all a titter about how we all feel sick. Readers. Do you feeling sick? I do, and

I don't think so honey about it. I do know, so honey, the way I feel, I don't think so honey that allergies have to keep allergy even during the COVID pandemic, and now they're talking about miss Batu b A two. But to get the funk out, I don't think so, honey you. I don't think honey, these allergies. I have what is? What? What the what? And that's one minute, bat girl, that's a Star Wars name, and

we better keep it that way. You're either a Droid b A two or you're a dam alien and you better not be the new variant because the way, the way that we've all decided that COVID is done and now we're now everyone when you google it, it's like, but but two though version is I can't with. And they're saying like, hey, this one's not a big deal, but everyone will get it. And I'm like, well, fuck, I hate that stupid ship. Like everyone's getting a harsh

cold again and it's going to stop the world. But then Founci's now saying he doesn't think it's going to stop the world. Jesus Christ, girl, girl, I'm with you. I know a lot of some people in New York going I gotta sore through and I'm like, okay, take the muse the next, take the Clareton, not the muse. Next, what is it to take the flow? Yeah, there you go, Mama, Mama, thank you. I found it. Also, I don't know about you, but like during Pisces season, maybe you're a Scorpio so

you feel this. Yeah, well, it's been Pisces season and so it's been one of the most emotional months of my life. And I've also been partying so much more than usual that it's like, I don't know if my immunes are just down or like what, but the allergy season is really throwing me. And I don't have COVID like officially confirmed, but it's just it's it's it makes me anxious. Well, this is always. Literally, allergy season for me is always this is the worst suffering I've ever endured.

And when will it stop? And then I literally it's over and then I forget about it for the rest of the year. Have you been bad recently? Weirdly, as of late this year, it's been fine. But I'm sure once I go back to New York and now that things are warming up again, it's going to destroy me. Oh god, it's fine, listen, um, that will be really frustrating. It's so right now in retrospect, I want to let you vent some frustrations, thank you by allowing you the

time one minute exactly to do. And I don't think so honey, and you do have something and it will be risky, Yeah, not risky. It's just like something that's on the brain. And I think a lot of people share this. All right, well this is I don't think so honey, his time starts now. I don't think so honey et asking me about motherfucking Pete. It's or anybody

asking me about fucking Pete. I love the guy, but you're not gonna get me to be in every fucking stupid regurgitated headline talking about how I'm I wish him the best, because obviously I do, obviously we all do. But this is something that like none of us want to talk about. We just want to make sure everyone involved is okay, okay. I don't want to talk about this anymore. I don't want this to overshadow literally me being nominated for an award. I don't get to like

feel this way about stuff about my career. And then you have this like fully irrelevant thing kind of hijacking the conversation when I'm literally like so fucking tired off of this cross country flight. Well when I while I had to five second form the night before, stop it each See you're better than this, Okay. Mary Hart would never but she's a trumper now trumper. I would say, if it seems at all like it was coming from a place of genuine concern, that would be one thing.

But it's not. It's a question being asked on a red carpet, and therefore it's like also all of it is being played out in a very public way. I'm not involved whatsoever. Stop asking the Prince of all princes Chris read about it so that she gets fun like brought into the mask because I saw that he was like saying some stuff. And it's like, but Chris is already like fucking like promoting his own ship, and you're asking about Pete watch bus down. Don't ever, ever, ever

ever ask us about Pete. I mean I I when I saw that they asked you about it, I was like, I wonder, like, isn't that a thing that they tell them not to ask in advance? Like but I guess not, huh, it's like or they yeah, or they just don't care, and it's like, God, it's just like the whole thing is said, He's being stalked and harassed and abused. How the fund do you think everyone feels about it? Like for him, it's like the father of her children is

acting this way. For Connie, it's like he's still like he's going through some episodes of something and he's still grieving, and it's like there's just so much going on here that like none of us are equipped to talk about on a fucking and a fucking sound bite. Yeah, red carpet when they're not feeding you when you're drunk from the hotel. Yes. And by the way, this is this, this is fully mean, going going after red carpet culture. It's like it's so fucking stupid the way it's set up.

I'm sorry, you know what I said. Asked her more, I say, asked her more than pete. This is this is just to clarify, Like truly, it only has to do with like the way that these like fucking things are structured, and it's and it's and it's very smart.

It's very like they know how to get you and they know how to like fucking amplify the stupidest, most innocuous thing that anyone said, and they ask it like and you know, we're all thinking of and it's just like no, you're all waiting to see what happens next. And it's like the fact is like I think that because the person involved who's aggravating the situation, knows how he can inflame the situation. Like it's like sort of all playing into the hands. So if you actually had

genuine concern, you probably would just do it. But the media doesn't have genuine concern about the situation. The media has interests in the situation, which one very different. And I don't know, I wish they wouldn't put you guys in situations because it also seem to me like the media seems to think that the SNL cast is like and somehow closer than any other cast, Like he's a

colleague of yours. He's not like your best friends. Like the only person who should be on the red carpet asking questions is Mark mel Yes, who's not the editor in chief of Variety, he's the senior culture and events editor. But he's like he's he's like Mr. Variety. Yeah, okay, so I I correct myself, No, but now I I correct you. Oh well, now I as a result of you correcting me, I would have to correct myself. Um yeah, I hope everything calms down with that situation. It's just sad.

It's it's it's dark, and I it's not good for the kids. God, I'm like talking myself into a fucking hole. Now. I mean now they don't have to ask you about it.

Well now they know. But it's just like the whole situation is tough, and like I just I don't know, Like I the only the only amount of in touch I've been with Pete is to text him like, hey, hope, everything's hope, everything's okay, I'm here if you need to talk to you, that's two yeah, And he doesn't, right, and so I'm not involved, just like your sign of support.

And it's just like, I don't know. It's just because you know, they would have loved for you to say like even a little bit of the wrong thing so they could put it in that fucking This is what I was gonna say. Matt and I have been on that side of things weirdly, and the thing that they literally tell you to do is to be like get something news making. The word is literally newsmaking, and so

I don't know, it just sucks. And also it would also be shitty if you were asked that question and you would be like, come on, you know what I mean, because then I'm just this close to fucking doing it. I swear to God, next time it happens, I'm like, don't ask me that, And no one's gonna care if that If that clip makes the rounds or whatever, I'm like, yeah, great, be honest, that's the the fucking t period. Anyway. The culture is so broken well being in a broken culture,

and we're the only people who can save it. We are the only people who can say it because we've seen the culture from both sides. Now from what still the iconic song from Koda, a film we've yet to see, you know, she sings that at the end and she signs beautifully. That's amazing, Miss Amelia Jones herself. Yeah, the child, the child, Um, oh my god. Can we just say Juda Hill was so adorable winning the Award for Belfast That was really cute and Alan Kim handing him, Oh,

oh my goodness. Well two little stars, two little stars, and we absolutely titilated. We made news. We shook it up, were shocked, were thrilled, We exposed. Let me press the buttons, honey, and we will not stop bet bots. We finished every episode with a song, I delive from both sides now, from my weban down and still somehow it's a life's delusions.

Every call, I really don't know life. There's a loud out out to listen to that you gotta listen to, Joni Mitchell, Both Sides Now, The joe Very boot scoots fine