"Dazzle Me" (w/ Hunter Harris)

can we just be emotional for wance? Yes? You you know what. It's only ever vulnerable when it's on Matt's terms. I feel you're so stupid. Whenever I want to have a moment with my friend, the walls are up. That's actually it shields up. You know what I'm saying. But you know, but but but the roles switch from time to time, from time to time. Although anyway, I have to say, this is not the sort of note I wanted to start on. I wanted to start in a

very celebratory note. What are we celebrating the female parts in Hamilton's Okay, okay, I skip the whole thing. I just go right to the Girls. Like when I found out that Disney Plus was streaming Hamilton's, I went right to um Ms Rennale's golds Barrier. Actually I watched Philip Asude Helpless, but I sort of needed to check in on all my favorite numbers. And I want to say, my I don't think so Honey is tied to this, but I am very happy that Hamilton's is on for

the public consumption. We're going to get into the category fraud. That might be a play at the Oscars because it's eligible for Oscars and it might not. You had told me that it was eligible for Okay, so this question is actually just answered for me. Let me answer to this. Okay, it was. It is not eligible at the Oscars. Other awards are still possible. This is what just Jared reports,

And this is just Jared. This is just Jared um So who knows, but it says the film version of that probably musical Hamilton's will not be nominated for any awards at Oscars because the film is not eligible. But let's see here, I don't know, maybe Emmy's, maybe Emmy's. We're going to figure this out. If anybody works um in any of the academies. Let us know what the esoterica is around this, because we'd love to find out more. But really, I was just I was just celebrating the

performance of it all. They're wonderful performances. A lot of cultures happened in the last few days. Few days. Gillane is under arrest. Gilayne is arrested. Fire Island is basically canceled. Um geopolitically canceled. I would say, um, you wouldn't be caught dead going there, I think any more. Unfortunately, Um, so we're having to mourn that as sis gender gay men who have class privilege to go on vacation and then um gosh, so so much else right, So you

will not be going to Fire Island this summer. I haven't ruled that out yet because I have stop I have, I have. I mean, I'll just say it. My friend Julio is there and he's just staying in the house, and he's gonna go down. Julio is going to go down with you right now. That's what you're saying. I'm saying.

If I were to go to Fire Island with my friend Julio for another week that we rented this house before the pandemic hit, then we're just going to stay in the house and not go out, which is kind of what you would, just stay in the house sort of sequestered, because you know what, I'm not even about the nightlife and the bars and the drinks and the key keying, and when when it's normal circumstances, you just have to go to the beach. I just know, I

just want to sit by the pool and read. And I know that sounds so like I don't know, it sounds so rom comming and stupid, but that's truly what I like the most about those trips. Like you think, you think that you represent a boring character in the rom com that is, well, the one who sits by

the by the pool and simply reads, simply reads. It's it's it's a trope that I am okay with with embodying, you know what I'm saying, Well, you know what happens to that character most of the time in romcoms when they come in and they're very much the person who reads by the pool, they usually end up having the wildest journey. They usually end up really sort of dating, you know, the wild child. What's there, what's like the flaw.

What's like the inherent flaw in that character at the beginning of the movie and act one boring bitch, boring bitch, and then the opposite of that flaw is compelling bitch. Usually something well, something will have to happen to you that makes you say, you know what, I'm actually going out, and it's like everyone has to celebrate your choice to sort of like go out. The funny story is this actually is a blotline of a film you are going to play in the future. Oh, yes, that's true. Well

we'll see, well, we'll see. Okay, so we So New York Magazine just came out with with it with its TV issue, I would say. So, there's there's the Michaela Michaela Cole profile. I'm Alex phenomenal, I cried at the end. Um, there's the Quimby piece um and uh. And there's a lot of just good TV journalism going on right now because it's Emmy season. Who cares um our guests of people care, a lot of people care. I'm sorry, I shouldn't I shouldn't be And we have an emy contender

here in the chat. Actually, have we actually have too emy contend Sure? Of the Chat. I forgot I was also eligible. We have Supporting Actor in a Comedy contender Boon Yang here today in the Chat. And Boon Yang is eligible for Amy nominations this year as an actor. Yes, and it is for his work on Saturday Night Live. And Akafena is nor from Queen's title a short title. And our second Emmy contender is my co host. He

is is eligible for Outstanding Game Show short note. I'm not eligible for that, even though I make a real run for What Are You? What? Are eligible for this Outstanding short Form Non fictional Reality Program for game show. Yes, a tiny, tiny, tiny title for a category, tiny titoc for a category, but not tiny title of the work of the No. Let me say the size does not matter when it comes to how good a television program can be. Absolutely not. That's why we have James Cordon

Carpool Karaoke win every year. I mean, that's art and that deserves the Emmy's. And that's a long title. I am so excited that our guest is here. We've wanted to have her on for so long. We booked her pre pandemic even Yeah, and I want to find out what she thinks of the Emmy chances of us. Well, I just want her, I really trust her. I feel like she's this pre eminent she's this pre eminent Twitter voice.

I mean, we're constantly scrolling when when you and I are together, Matt, we're constantly scrolling through her through the day. We haven't been known to go right to the page and just go ha ha ha ha ha hunter Hunter, We go ha ha ha Oh billions not nominated logging off photo of Phaedra Parks. You know, we laugh and laugh.

She is. Her writing is so phenomenal. She just wrote some She just wrote an amazing short profile in him Um and she wrote this piece on James Cameron's I was just mentioning that I was thick into the articles she just wrote, which is, you know, all about James Cameron's announcements of Avatar sequels. It's not about James Cameron's Avatar, about the announcements of new dates, new information about advertisacles, which has been really a cinematic narrative on its own. Amazing,

and we thank her for that writing. We also thank her for the writing the article she resurfaces every July four about Jackie and I actually and then I inspired me to watch Jackie the other night, and I forgot how wonderful of the movie it is. Well, one thing I love about our guest is she doesn't let things just like us, and so she has not let Stars Born go just like you have not let I mean, she doesn't let things go, and I identify with that as someone who just on our last episode, I think

you and I both share this. We talked a lot about the Stars Born, including why did you do that? Do that? Do that? Do that? Do that? To me? Yes? Yes, I feel like she is also the sort of also the pre eminent voice on the Stars Born. So we're so excited to have her. She's a she's a writer at Vulture, um and uh famed skin care routine that we all are still talking about, glowing this day, clothing, glowing in the chat pods. I'd be glowing on Zoom

early front runner for title of EPP glowing on Zoom. Okay, and we're blasting out her ears. She just took her air pods out. Um but okay, I'm go ahead, i' mute. So everyone, please welcome into your ears. Hunter Harris, Okay, hi, panicking, I've gone through two thoughts of headphones and through the course of this be Okay, the first thing I want to say is don't panic. I want you to just breathe. All right, So we are back and something revolutionary has happened.

We had to stop and figure it out. But we did. We did. We did. Hunter talk to us about where your head's at and with with with the Emmy race right now, what are your feelings, what are yours thoughts, feelings and pots? Okay, so my only real thought about the Emmys is the way that IMDb will prioritize a Golden Globe nomination or win over Emmy nomination or wait, um, that just makes no sense to me considering who actually votes for the Golden Globes. But otherwise I feel, as

you know, I'm just along for the ride. I'm along for the ride too, and I feel that isn't it funny that there was ever a time when we thought the Goal Globes were like of prestige, Like I remember being little and like watching and being like, well, the Golden Globes are like one of the biggest ever like you, And then you really find out that it's like foreign journalists right truly, like you can count on one hand, the people who vote for the Golden Globes, and also

they all like, I think it was last year, um, when a Golden Globe voter profile drew Barrymore for some like very small, very random magazine and all of the quotes were fabricated. Oh my god, miss you, this was

I think it was last year the year before. Um, But like so many of the quotes like didn't make sense, and it came out somehow that she that the reporter who wrote this, who is a Golden Globes voter again to say, um, she like took quotes from that she ever heard, or something from like a junket somewhere and sort of pretended there was a piece to write. And they're still in the Hollywood FORIGN Press Association. There's still a voter. I think you could truly just have a

pile of bodies. And yeah, so I'll say when it comes to the Emmy's I you know, I'm just as curious as the next gal. Sure, okay, can ask you can ask a dumbn question in what ways I AMDB prioritizing Golden Globes wins over Emmy's wins? Like it's like in the star Meter, it's like you not in the star meter. It's like when you're on someone's actual profile.

It will like there's like that little yellow box that I not madd for two Oscars or like to win something like one Golden right, but the Emmys, you truly have to click on it and go to the full awards page to see any Emmy nominations or wins, which

I think is a hilarious metric play there's play. And speaking of long names of categories, my favorite category ever is supporting Actress an a made for television movie, mini series or limited series, like just like the longest title for anything, and then they fit like truly, like Laura during his performance in there with like someone who is in like a mini series only you've seen on the BBC, Like it's just so funny and like also comedy and drama,

just like the the spectacle that is the placement of categories when it comes to the Golden Globes is something I love. Oh yes, absolutely. Now, Hunter, I've heard you talking interviews about how as a journalist maybe you enjoy writing about film more than about TV or is that is that is that a fair assessment? Do you still feel that way now where you do and somebodys. I just watched so many more movies, and I have like a much clearer sense of like film history and not

so much TV history. So I do feel like I'm a little bit more in my depth when it comes to movies. Um, and that is primarily what I cover of ulture. Yes, because you're not. Because you have you can be conclusive about what your assessment is over of a film more than you can a TV show where it's like, well, I wonder what will happen next season, like I don't know, it's it's TV is a little bit more boundless in that way, which is good. And also there's so many more hands in a TV show.

And you know, one movie, so you would say that when it comes to and when we say film, what we mean is Avatar. And so when it comes to the film the film industry's future, what are we looking at here? And can you shed light on just so we can sort of manage our expectations about the next time we'll see NATERI yes, I think honestly we'll get an Avatar movie every five years until I fucking die. James Cameron will not stop. Um, he I think he's

locked himself into a cryo chamber like a horcrux. Hays have their own cryo chamber so that so that we'll just get them forever. I remember one of my colleagues, Kyle Buchanan, whenever James Cameron announced, um, that was gonna make all these Avatar sequels. It was like, originally just one sequel, and then it became like Kyle said, like r A P. James Cameron will miss you making regular movies and not just Avatar until the end of the world. Um. But no, it's funny. I actually have not seen the

entirety of the Avatar movie have not. I haven't. I just it's it's long. I just couldn't get into it. I'm like, it's long. Sitaneum. No, Sam Worthington never came to fruition. Um, it's weird that he is the star of the biggest film of all time. He was an approximately one film and it was that. I mean, no, no, no, you are forgetting that he did it at least one like Christian Movie. Yes, I think it was The Shock, but I'm not sure the Shack. Yes, was Octavia Spencer

in the show? I think she was. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes right she had a career after that and he didn't. Octavia. Octavia's checking every box she needs to right now. I feel like mam is such a jackpot for her because she had Like now she's part of a modern camp classic, I feel, and now she gets to like go on and keep like getting nominated for these supporting actress roles

that are like emotional labor role. I don't know whatever Octavia I mean, I hope she gets nominated for like a media role that is not her, like being someone's sidekick. But I feel like with Ma, she really like cash that in quick and good, and now she doesn't have to worry about that just cultural capital exactly. The cash is the what I what I was kind of floored came and went was her show Truth Be Told on

Apple TV Plus or whatever, which was basically murder she podcasted. Essentially, it was like literally it was murder she wrote, but she had a podcast, and I literally thought, wasn't she supposed to redo Murder? She wrote? Were they not rebooting murder? She wrote? With her with Octavia, I thought they were? And then all of a sudden, I saw the show Truth Be Told, and I was like, what is this

because I never heard about it at all. All I heard about from that whole entire endeavor was The Morning Show, And I was like, what is this and when is it coming out? And then I realized that it had come out four months prior and it was literally the trailer was murder she podcasted, and I was like, did

this become this? Or? I mean who? Who? Can never know with with these like streaming launches anymore, But can we talk about how there is there has not been like a successful streaming platform launch that I can think of, besides not I mean Disney Plus. Yeah, okay, because because but we're all doing these report cards on like HBO Max you know, uh what like Apple TV Plus and

like Quimby it's like quick bite, huge success. But like and like obviously like the report card is like they're not they didn't do great or they didn't impact as

well as they wanted to. But like I feel like the besides Disney Plus, like what has been like in recent memory, like the big streaming platform like Unveiling that's launched that's been like gangbusters, you know, I think HBO Max has been successful because they do have a big backlog of movies that were like previously unavailable, it seems, um but again, I did watch only one HBO Max show and it was truly the worst thing I've ever subpected myself to which one was the Ana Kendrick show,

Yeave Life? Yeah, I literally can't. I can't even try. Unfortunately, Well I respect that. Um, I just was wallowing and I had to do something. But even even for you, like you can't you can't appreciate how ridiculous it is or or is it not even that interesting? It's like tubanal to be good. It was just too it was too crazy to be good to me. It was like they're so out there. It was so like what was out there about it? I don't know much about it? Okay,

let me tell you. Every episode is a relationship in her life with a man, and I think like half way through the season, it's a flashback to the antakentric character when she's twelve and she has a crush on a boy and he like sort of ghost her and they're at boarding school and then she tells everyone she has cancer and to gain sympathy obviously, and then she meets him at a bar like eight years later, and they want to, you know, kiss, and then she runs away.

I was like, I can't do this same time, I cannot. That doesn't sound good, But for me, I wouldn't even I wouldn't even get there because I don't know. Maybe I shouldn't be saying things like this, like but I just can't. I cannot with any So many bad wigs also got us to that point. Was like it was it was, it was too much. It was too much.

I feel bad talking about Ana Kendrick because we have the same birthday and that's the first thing I think about, and you don't want to attack someone with the same birthday as you, and that it's the holy day, you know. So what sign is that, Leo, we both have Whitney Houston's birthday. Okay, so yeah, we we're not going to speak ill of the girl because clearly there's something there that puts her in line with Hunter and Whitney. The

two sort of one name icons. Those are the true Whitney and actually it's a retal culture number forty three, the two sort of one name name and Whitney. Let's let's quickly sidebar on this because I feel like we haven't really for this yet celebrities you share birthdays with, is there like an implicit like connection empathy there? Like I feel this way about Ethan Hawk and i'm A Stone and Seal. Even these are the three people I share birthdays with, and I'm like, don't go for them,

don't don't come for them. Those are my those are my people, you know. And Ethan Hawk and Emma Stone and Seal. Isn't that great? Such a mixed bag? I know, I mean, like three very different people, and I count I don't really find like I have that much in common with the three of them, but I feel connected to them. Matt, do you know who you're actually am literally a twin with the person that is shares my birthday with? And do we know who this person is?

Even Mendes, Me and even Mendes have predibly similar Yeah, we have very similar energies. Like it's actually kind of sort of bring the same vibe you. Actually, I'm not even joking, this is true, you guys. Yes, And also I have to say, the other young girl I share a birthday with is someone who's It's almost like the industry has decided that she's famous or maybe RuPaul's drag Race has decided that she's famous. But Madison Beer, Yeah, I don't know about that young girl, Madison Beer gonna

We're gonna have to google that one. Well, let me say she's she's recently become famous in the eyes of drag Race because she's guest judged and she's been a quote unquote celebrity contestant. I don't know who she is or what she does, but we do have the same birthday, and she's really stormed onto the scene apparently because list of famous birthdays March five, she's first, and then even Mendez a second. Okay, that's disrespect, It's it's insane disrespect.

And then I'm like, is she like a gen Z thing? And then maybe I'm maybe, I'm no what s e O is? And then they just like figured out they called Google. She's an American singer, says Wikipedia. Okay, well, now, Hunter, this adds so much more depth to whenever you use a Whitney gift, I would say, oh, yes, of course, this huge. I feel like you and you and I are are the I keep saying this word but pre eminent,

but it applies, folks. Pre eminent Whitney gift a deployer, I would say, and that's a huge honor, and that's history, and that's history, and that that's history. That is a moment, most pleasing to me, most a moment. Wow. I mean she really like that. That meme has really the test of time in terms of the past two years, it's been a thing. I don't see it going anywhere when he really was a trope of good memes. I mean, second only to like Tiffany Pollard or unique. Really everything

she did was funny. Well, Matt, you and I saw Brandy Cinderella the other night. It's on YouTube, um, and she is just turning in a solid performance there, and you're just like, They're like, but there there's still like this very like meme friendly quality to it. I think, Matt, you're making a face. Well, I would say this. I would say, is it as much of a performance as it is Whitney Houston come in there and being Whitney Houston. Yes, but that's really all you need. But it's just like

the way she lands the words. I'm like, she is so she's funny. She's funny. She is you get the sense that she was like such a funny, fun person to be around. And also when you watch like archival footage of her and Brandy in the studio, like Brandy singing, she goes, why are you down there? Formative? Formative to me formative, but you get that it's like she's just trying to help Brandy. But it's that sort of thing

where it's just like yelling yes, yes, yes, wow. I feel like Hunter is this very is this very exciting um purveyor of culture, and she's serving it up to all of us and we're like, oh my god, yes, and she's the authority on this. So why let's just talk about why a star is born? Why? Jackie? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why your touchstones? Because I feel like you have a rotation going anything Hunter, would you say that's fair? I guess I do. Um, I actually have a Jackie poster

rate very good? What star is Born? Memorabilia? Do you have anything? Okay, well, there is a photo on my refrigerator. Um, and I have, I guess just the record physical record, like I take it from the National Board of Review Aweards honestly ten of ten. Yeah, like photos in it and all of this stuff. Um, I was like the physical product but also the music. Yeah. Um, what else I have. So I had like a makeup artist, like like pre coronavirus obviously, and she was like looking around

my apartment like do you work in movies? And I was like yes, and like look you at like a Succession poster on the wall and a Jackie poster. I'm like, I mean no, um, it was so embarrassing. But yeah, I don't know. I think I just like movies that are fun to talk about and also things that just like stick in my brain. And I don't know, I just I can't let stuff go. You like, just I like what I like so specifically I know same. I trust I identified with this, and I think what you

like and are is you like stunts? You like things that are going to be that are easy polls like I think like once lady got got turned around and said what and he said, just want to take another look at you? You probably felt like a sort of elation, right, yes, oh yes, as send to a higher level of being. It's like drama, And to me, that's what makes movies good.

And that's why I like, like if it's a little campy or stupid, as long as it's memorable and it made you feel something like, give me movies like that nine times out of time. I think absolutely, absolutely yes. But I feel like Hunter has the same ear for phonetics the way that Matt and I think we do. Where like Matt and I like connected over the way people deliver lines. But Hunter wrote a whole Vulture piece about the way Peter Peter Starsard says what do we accomplish?

In Jackie? And like that's like and it's only because of the way he delivers that line or the way he pronounces accomplished, right, like dig into this. Yes, So in Jackie, it really does not make sense to me why Peter stars Guard is there um playing Bobby Kennedy, because it just like does not he does not like match the energy batal department in this movie, so it

kind of feels like an odd match. Um. But he has this scene where he's like very distraught and he turns around and like with utter serious says, what are we accomplished? And it's like and that's like not even how it said. But here in my brain, it only matters how it travels through times, does It doesn't matter how it was said. It matters how it travels through time and space. Yes, it's just like so just wrong,

and I can't get enough of it. I just I love the meeting of like this very serious, very like Oscar Baity movie. And I say that with love because I do love this movie and the way that he is like so obviously out of his depth, but the way that he's like still going for it, but the way that it just like stops your heartbeat. It's so wrong. I love this. It's that one line that plays on a loop in your head. Yes, and that's what leads to the damn chain of pieces. I'm actually reading yours

on Closer right now. So can you what is the one line Closer that plays on a loop in your head? Oh, my gosh, there's so many and Closer because I was active on Tumblr and yeah and it was. We can say the reason why Closer really hits is because it's one of the horniest movies of all time and because everyone in it is hot, which is important. Um, and Closer it's Oh, it's like the classic line, um, lying is the most fun a girl can have without taking

her clothes off. She's got a ton and she makes the most out of literally almost everything she's given, which is like it's a very stagy like written movie. But she does, she does give you I Don't Love You Anymore, goodbye and Hello Stranger, and there's just a lot going on and it's it is camp and it is sort of like it's again it's they happen in the movie,

but they travel through time. And even the way she says my name is Alice Airs, You're like, whoa, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Mike Nichols, it's sober that it's in Mike Nichols movie. To me, it's always been like, it doesn't it doesn't fit into the Mike Nichols like like you know, sort of like whatever that it just doesn't. It just it doesn't feel like one of his things anyway. That's just my straight observation. Everything every line in that movie is like,

so it's so pithy. It's like the hottest person you know on their most clever day, and it's like, just give me like a slice of that, the hottest person you know on their most clever day. Yeah, I mean, it's just definitely something people would say. Then we have in Social Network. You did a piece on Social Network which is let's gut the Frigging Nerd, which again, it's

one of those things that jumps out. I just watched the Solcia Network the other night and I was like, there's something about this movie, and it's like, I don't I wouldn't call it a need to be quotable, but it's like sometimes it's like when a movie is trying to be quotable, you have to say, oh, honey, you know what I mean. That's every Er and Sorkin movie.

But but but this one like works because the story is compelling and it's like it I feel like it does speak to our generation, which is something I think that should be sort of um noted when when something you know, I guess it's hard to note when something is speaking for your generation and feels of the moment

in the moment. But it's like when you look back at the Oscars of that year and you see that the King's speech took best picture of that year, It's like that movie could have been made any time, with anyone, by anyone. It felt like Sorkin writing about Facebook in that way. At that time, I felt like a moment that we didn't appreciate, and so I'm willing to forgive. It's like little little moments where it's so impressed with

itself because it should be. It like is impressive, it's good. Well, all the Army Hammer and maximung Gelli scenes are I don't care for and it must have been like that it was hard to shoot around Army playing both parts twins or whatever, and so like both of them feel

roboutic in this way. Um, but social it's soberd to watch it now and to like hear things like friend request or remember like like the scenes where they would come up with these like now like the relationships, and you're just like, oh yeah, like someone had to come up with that and like probably felt excited. I don't know that's it's. I think it's someone probably a vulture wrote about how it's like a more relevant watch now than it was when it came out yes for our

Fighting Movie Club a couple of weeks ago. But I think it is. I mean to Matt's earlier point. I think it is a movie and a script where the dialogue takes itself as seriously as the people saying it. That makes sense, like I think perfectly matched to write someone who is like arrogant, obnoxious and like thinks everything they say is actually so quotable, because like they're writing their own history as they're living it. And that's like I think why it's it's like a prescient movie because

that's how we live now. It's like to be documented and recorded. I also think that he is a really I I really like his work because and this is the way I would sort of consider Shonda Rhymes too. It's like they get dazzle, you know what I mean, Like this is the movies, and so we should be entertained by the way that people speak and act and react. And so I think that's sort of whenever anyone's like,

do people talk like this, I'm like, people don't. Aren't in movies all the time, and so we can be like, for example, that first scene we talked a lot when we did our list, one of the most impactful moments in culture history, as we've said it is Rooney Mara and the Social Network. And it's like you would if you were her in that movie, you would walk away from that table five minutes conversation because it's so insane.

But I do love that the movie is like, watch what a spectacular asshole he is, and like we're going to write it spectacularly, So I'm into it. Oh, let's take a quick break and then we'll come back and ask Hunt with the question. Okay, it's time to the question and we're back. So now let's ask Hunter Harris the question. I'm so excited and curious to know what the answer is. Hunter, What is the culture that made you say culture is for me? This is the formative

culture that made you step into a cultural direction. Okay, I feel like I promise I'm not pandering, but it's Aaron Brockovich. Oh my god. Okay, let's tell you. You don't know how many times I watched Aaron Brockovitch between ages like twelve and fifteen. It might have been at least I mean it was minimum twice a week. Wow, I broke the DVD. I did have a portable DVD player. Then I watched it on UM and I'm just telling you, I saw that movie and it was like, Okay, here

we go, here we go? Now what was it? Two questions? What was it about it that hooked you so? And another thing is what why was that movie so available? Didn't it feel like it was always on? Like for some reason people are age that like, didn't we're not the demographic for that, but we have such a sort of vocabulary for it. My theory is, before Hunter goes, please answer those questions, but my theory is that it

is the quintessential based on a true story movie. I think not not like maybe not it's not the most important or biggest one, but like to me, it feels like it's about what this one person did and I don't know, like came from her circumstances to do this thing, and she's like and it's great cinema just to walk to just just watch Julia Roberts like curse and be that woman. That's my like, yes, a morphous theory, but Hunter, yes, what like, what is the appeal the perennial appeal to you?

I think I think it's accommoation everything you guys just said that it was always on TV as felt that way for a certain amount of time, and before it was even always on TV, it was always like at my local Blockbuster and I would just see it and not know what it was um And then I just I mean, I love Julie Roberts. I think she's like even the performances of hers that I don't like, I love Um Closer is like kind of one of them.

But yeah, I just I think that it is like seeing an incredibly famous person in a new way and seeing them how you always kind of suspect or hope they active life on screen. I think that's part of it. Um And also, like is a Steven Soderberg movie, Like it is just so watchfol it has so much momentum, and and she is like how everyone wants to be Like you want to be like that, like fun and crass, and you want to have her boobs and you want to have her legs, and like even when I'm like,

I guess Aaron Eckhart is hot, I don't know. Honestly, I completely forget he's even in it until he appears on screen every single time. I'm like, so the Julia Show, and I think, like it really is a perfect storm because it's a Julia Roberts who was the biggest star in the world be you heard that she was getting

incredible oscar worthy reviews, So there's that. Then you see what it is and she is super sexed up and she's cursing, So there's like this edge that you're curious about that's like sort of when it goes hand in hand with everything else, you're like, how could this not be the moment? And then when it like fulfills itself by being a box office success and getting the Oscars, it like cement its moment in history. And I have to say I am ashamed and embarrassed that it did

not make the list. Wow. Yeah, absolutely agree. I mean, like it's I feel like that is the among the more quotable films of that period right as well, just so happens, I think I look nice And as long as I have one assen city too, that's okay with you. Those ties anyway, Never forget that's all you got, lady, two wrong feet and ugly shoes. Dazzle me. This is

what I'm saying. You have to dazzle me. What is the line where she's like, um oh fuck, it's like the other lawyer and she's like, how did you get like six D and fifty three signatures? Blow jobs? Okay, okay, that's what he says. What makes you think you can just walk in there and get what we need? I know, I know you're talking about. And then she said, I perform six sexual favors. I'm quite tired. Yes, very good, very good. And also I mean her talk about dazzled me.

The monologue that she delivers to Aaron a cart when he asked for her number. Oh yes, that with all the numbers I just gave you. I'm guessing zerious times you're going to call it. You know, Shawanda studied that specific monologue. And also it's like such a like a perfect match of like type of dialogue and performer like she is. You can tell, and I love Julia, but you can tell whether it's explicit or implicit. She can be I'll you know, she can get what she wants

and she's Julia Roberts. She's Julia Roberts, and like I have heard every now and then that like you know, she can be sort of like she gets what she wants. She is the biggest movie star in the world. And you know you don't get that. I think by being necessarily the nicest person in the room. But who who needs the nice care I don't. I want someone who can do what she does in Aaron Brockovich and she can speak to me however she actually wants to for the rest of my life. I saw that movie and

it just like set my brain on fire. I was like, oh my god, this is China, so we all know what is exactly. I honestly, especially now with coronavirus, I'm like, I'm going to snitch Aaron Brockovich every single day, Like this is not how things are supposed to be run. Yes, we all have to be Aaron brocko in this time. I just have to. I think the most electric moment in the movie for me is where Ed fires her and she she storms in and she goes, what was

I supposed to do? Checking every two seconds? Yes, it's called accountability. I'm not talking to you, bitch. It's that scene is so perfect and that performance, Oh my god. And Farrell put some respect on her ferrel Conchata's name because she was also iconic two and a half men Fish, Yes, and rest in peace, rest in piece, any rest in piece. He's fantastic. And also, wait, we're forgetting about the miss Wichita monologue with the flannel and the crown, which I

actually I went to school for screenwriting. I went to school for for TV writing, and I had I had like a minor in screenwriting. Is weird the way that NYU dramatic writing worked Like I studied all of it. And I had a screenwriting teacher refer to this moment as some a really good example of when you get sort of the motive, the underlying motivation of a character. And she referred to moments in other screenplays as the miss Wichita monol moment. And that comes like in the

middle of the movie. Yeah, we were watching some of the movie and she was like, and this is miss Wichita And I was like, you're rock incredible. I don't know about that one. There's a lot of money we gave to the institution. Um, but yeah, no that Um what does she says? She says, um, are you going to be something I have to Are you going to be another thing I have to survive? Because I'll tell you the truth, I don't think I'm up to it. I think about that all the time, Like if milk

goes bad, it's like, are you gone? I'm telling you that's when I call him, because truly, it's like it sticks in my brain. Yeah, yeah, you should write about that. Would it be like a like like a one line that plays in a loop, or would it be like a more holistic giview of it? Because you need to, like you love this movie. It's clear I do love this movie. How would you want to approach it? I don't know. It might be a one line thing or I just oh my god, I love this movie. It's

just so good. You know what's interesting to think about when it comes to Julia Roberts. I feel like, because she was like the A list actress when we were sort of growing up, we feel like she was always around UM kind of her like big moment right like after Mystic Pretty Woman, and so she became like a

huge star. But when Aaron Brockovich came out, she had only been famous for like ten eleven years, and so it's really interesting to think, like, this is the time and an actress's career when they sort of coronate her,

you know what I mean. Like I read one time that the mean age of the Best Actress winner is twenty nine, which when you're younger doesn't seem like like crazy, but then when you get hit thirty, you're like, Wow, the moment in an actress's career year when they decide this is the moment we're rewarding her as like roughly ten years in when they're twenty nine they win Best Actress, they have the moment and then there's that period afterwards.

So it's like two things with Julia. It's like understanding that that's where she was at that moment. We just thought she was like the A list actress, always was

always just going to be. But like the decisions that she's had to make sense that moment on her career when she was a not only just the box office phenomenon of the nineties, but also she ended the nineties winning an oscar and that it's been twenty years since that happened and she has still been able to sort of like be interesting, Like I think that her performance in Homecoming is one of the better TV performances we've seen.

And to talk about her in August Osage County, and you know, she's really decided to stick with developing as an actress and not like do box office, box office, box office, or or be behind the scenes person. But it's interesting the way that these hands are dealt to young women because the industry is like figure it out now, like we're not going to help you as much. It feels right. But it's interesting to me to think about Julia in the past twenty years, since I'm only now

realizing that's how long it's been since Aaron Brockovich. See that hurt when you said years, doesn't it hurt? You could have just rounded down, not said anything at all, But it's important to note you could have said she got the statue in one, so it's only could. I could have softened the blow a little bit, but I refuse. It's Corona and I'm I'm I'm delivering hard blows. It has been two decades since Aaron Brockovich fever. It feels

just like yesterday. The all. The other thing I want to say about Aaron Brockovitch Is as a movie is that it shows like the real so cal I think where it's like, right, I feel like you're seeing like what l A Is actually like and it's not disclamorized version of it, but it's like the very grounded realist like Steven Soderbergh, like here's like the way that like magic.

Mike was like, this is kind of the real Vegas and kind of in all it's gritty glory, like you were seeing like Irvine and I don't know, just like or Inland Emmpie kind of California. Am I making any sense? Was Magic? Mike and Vegas. The second one, oh no, no, no, yes, yes, never Tampa cut that famously, Tampa, no, don't cut it out like the real we see the real raw, And

then I meant Tampa Steven Soderberg's Tampa. Well, now my point is completely Well he is like that that visual style that always makes it look like it's like five thirty you know what I mean, Yeah, you're about to be yes, yes, you, and you've been working all day. In every shot when she would get home, like and those like horrible shots of like her going through her apartment like that was like the cockroaches running around. I so anxious and tense for her. When she gets hit

by the car. I mean that's at the end of a workday. Yeah, that's at the end of a workday. The filter says she's been working a bunch and also not for nothing. But this is part of the script that she really sells, is when the cockroach runs across the drains and she throws the plates and she goes who lives? Like this? When she's when she's trying to find a new job and she's just like looking at the newspaper and just it with her left hand. I'm like,

you go left handed? Doesn't make sense, But I just love that line. That asshole smashed in my fucking neck, open, open and shut when she goes um when she's commonly giving her testimony and she goes and he came around the corner like a bad out. And then and then the guy is like a surgeon, spends his days saving lives. And then he says like, oh, you have two kids or you have three kids. She's like yeah. He's like, oh, are their father is a father helping out? Yeah? Which one?

You know? There's two? What's your point? And also, wait, another iconic part of the movie We Can't Forget is iconic Mark Helgenberger performance R Jones performance R Jones. Yes, Mark and Cherry both really deliver. I mean when when she tells Mark there's a problem with the water and then Mark runs out and she says, the kids girls get the pool and out of the pool, Get out of the pool. Yeah, what an amazing film. I might have to watch that soon. I might have to watch.

My boyfriend has never seen it, okay, neither has mine, and he won't watch it with me. Why I'm actually going to make him watch it with me. And yet you can come over. Yes, he knows that if we watch together. I'm just gonna quote every lie. But did that with like half of the social network? Does your boyfriend love you? Then he should let you? Do you live together? Now we get personal, Hunter, I have to

say something so out of pocket and maybe inappropriate. You have such a beautiful laugh, and this is your blessing the ears of everybody who gets to hear your laugh now, Hunter, Okay, I'm not even going to toot my own horn, but yes, you have excellent laugh and I love to laugh. Say it loud, Laugh it proud. That's actually title of say it proud. Oh my god. So to think that, um, Aaron Brockovich, Um, the film is now twenty years old,

has shaken me to my core. But I would like to know um in the past year or so, because it's been like a pretty light year for movies, Like what have you said? What has come out? Has anything this year been like to you? Notable? Or you kind of forcing yourself to watch television these days because the prestige has had to move to the small screen or or are you into Quimby? I feel like when you said Quimby have to like say it three times, like

quippy quippy quimby, You're not like cursed it. It's hard to just say it once. Um Okay, I don't know. It's like it's been such a weird year because literally nothing has come out do the Oscars. It's so weird. I'm I mean, they're I don't. I think it's going to be such a weird award season that it's like

not even gonna actually end up happening. Um. I mean the last movie I saw in theaters was never Barely sometimes always the Eliza Hitman UM like abortion teenage like drama said in New York City that I really loved um. And then before that, I was like really hype off of The Invisible Man. Yes, okay, I don't watch horror, but I heard it lit it up. It It's like been a minute since I was like, what were scared? I was scared, but I was also just like so

just floored by everything that happens. I couldn't. I couldn't. I mean she could. She could very well be nominated for an Oscar for that if nothing else comes out for the rest of the year. I mean, we could be seeing that. I think sure, I mean, maybe we'll get um tenant in you know, a month. Where do you stand on the tenant discourse? Okay? I I feel like it is gross and unethical and immoral to try to release a blockbuster movie in the middle of a

global pandemic. That's just how I feel, and I cannot imagine anything more irresponsible. And I'm saying this to someone who wants to see the movie also understands when, what time we're living in? Um. But ultimately I think it will be as satisfying as a rather Christopher Nolan movie. And then some guy will trying to explain it to me and I'll say, you know, it is what it is, um,

and how satisfying our Christopher Nolan movies too. You write as you except pre explanation of front by this asshole, whoever that person? Maybe? How are you a fan? I? Yes, I generally am a fan. I didn't like Interstellar. I didn't like the Prestige, but I did like Dunkirk enough, and I liked Inception enough and um oh Insomnia. I liked to the Pacino one. Right. I'm surprised you didn't like Interstellar more though, because they gave you. They gave

you some dazzling, some dazzling drag in that movie. I feel like when like when Anne Hathaway tearfully explains that one of the one theory she has is that love is the answer, right, And the Ellen Burson scenes at the end are just so they really go there and person is in a hospital on like a ring like planet or something, or yeah, it's beautiful. It is drag. It's dragan. You did not enjoy it as much as Dunkirk, which I hated. I thought at least Dunkirk was like

cool to look at. Um. And also every guy in dunker just like looked like someone I knew, So I was like, whatever, Um, he's like the crooked teeth version of my friends. I guess, um, you know what. I just remember. Timothy shallow May is an Interstellar Oh yeah, you play the Sun. He's one of the kids. Oh god, it's so crazy to think that Timothy Shallowmy was just recently a working actor who you could see in such

series as Homeland and did parts of Interstellar. And now he's like the moment in the moment, where do you stand on the Timothy Shallowmy versus Lucas hedges of it all Oh my god, I bet you have takes. I M a tough question. Lucas hasn't been in anything. He's been enough to compare them. Okay, all right. The last thing, Lucas stays out of the conversation though, you know what I'm saying. He does. He keeps to himself. Yeah, well he's not He's not a capital S star. I mean,

this is our star and actress debate. Timothy Shalloming is a star and Lucas Hedges is an an actor as Yeah, I think that's true. I think Lucas could be a star. He just chooses like not to be. He does have big, working actor energy. He is so good that I think he takes away from his own stardom because he's so

sunk into the walls of the products. Like for example, I just watched Lady Bert again the other night, and this scene with Lucas Hedges, like when he's auditioning with giants in the sky, it's like you just you take for granted that he just feels like a kid doing it, and it's this, it's this genius performance of like that. I think he pulls off even better than Sarsha, which is like kid sort of trying his best to do this but still thinking about the fact that he's auditioning.

It just feels so authentic. And then his coming out scene to Sercha, it hurts my chest. How good he isn't it? It's just so good. And Timmy when he comes into the movie is just like this swagger is just dripping off of him, and you get immediately why she would like this kid. But I think it's also because we're seeing these people through her eyes. And when she's talking to Lucas, she's like, he's sensitive. I love him.

We have named a Star together. And then she sees Timmy, she's like, oh, he's like hot, we need to get this together and really doesn't have time for me. And it's like that sort of nagging that he does. Oh man, he's so good at it too, He's so good. Unfortunately, unfortunately, why do we stand well because it's like he because I want to because I get why you said it. But let's just examine as a trio, like what what how do you solve a problem like Timothy, it's not

even a it's not a problem. It's not a problem. It's not a problem. But don't think it's good to be star so quickly. Yeah, right, yes, thank you being right.

I think I like the progression of Lucas hedges where it's like not made for an oscar early in his career, is super talented, but also like, isn't like on the cover of I mean, is on the cover magazines in the same way that like Timmy is, you know, the fashion of it all is where it sorts like the sort of groundbreaking fashion presence that is Timothy Shallim I I'm not really ready for, but I also understand that I better get ready for it because I have understood

now that he will be around for the next I'm gonna say forty. I think she's here to stay. Lucas can pull off the pie fashion when he wants to, like the g Q cover, like those those looks amazing. I feel like it's it's very much just to like totally reduce this down to something terrible. It's like it's

very much a Jackie Maryland dichotomy. We're working interest. I was going to say, like like Leo, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yes, yes, that no, that's absolutely better, yes, yes, yes yes, although did not really compete with Leo for like the Hearts of America. I mean, I don't think so in the same way, but I think good while hunting definitely in gender.

This kind of like goodwill towards yes, just like wanting to see Matt Damon just win right, very that and Matt was coming in as like a student was like someone who wrote this exactly. I think that's part of it, too, academic fish, academic fish. We of course have have not seen that Damon right. Another thing, I think that's okay, I don't really because they have an Academy award, yeah,

which does not we need the follow up. And also it's like I don't know the fact that Matt Damon has rarely ever been on that behind the camera or like writing anything since Like to me is like, well, did we sort of make it look like these boys really slater at their young age than just to kind of make them stars? Of course maybe that was part of it, yeah, okay, Or we could say what no one wants to say, and it's that Ben is the talent.

I think there could be something to that. There is because the unfortunately Ben does have some talent when he wants to employ that or when he wants to do a Paparazzi walk with Onto Armis, which is also cinema. Pretty much he is. I mean, Ben I have like he doesn't give it to you. Um. In terms of stardom,

we definitely have moments. One of my favorite moments in any of his performances is him as Batman when he goes to serve Gala Dot a drink and pours a quadruple into a glass with just like the most lived in thing I've ever seen, and you sort of see in her eyes when he's pouring the drink, She's like, uh, huh, okay, we're going for it. And it doesn't feel directed to me. It just feels like something that just happens. Well, he

did not win for directing, did he an Oscar? No? No, he wasn't even nominated for It was a controversy the Hollywood Foreign Prescatory War, and the Oscar said not yet. And that's how you know that hurts. They don't have it together when it comes to the directing nominations. I mean, it's been said a million times about how many times they've passed over women, but I mean the fact that

and he's getting recanceled. It seems because because when a writer said something, I guess, but the fact that Mel Gibson was recently nominated for Best Director, like for Hacks Origin fifteen, I believe it was, and really it was more recent than Yeah. Yeah, I think it was the fact that we allowed that one. It's just like wow, that and and that not being the number one controversy of that moment, like is insane. The fact that they had but he was still round tables, he was still campaigning.

It's like that was so recent. I mean, it blows my mind. People conveniently seem to forget when powerful, rich white men do these sorts of things, and like, yes, people are vocally upset about it, and like there's a conversation about it, but they do not seem to face repercussions. Because no matter what, if you're nominated for Best Director, which is the highest award for leadership in our industry,

then you have not faced consequences for that. Like maybe he's not acting as much anymore, that's not really a consequence for what he has done and seems to continue to do, like because he's still reaping huge benefits in other areas. Yes, yes, this yes, berserk crazy crazy, Okay, I feel like we need I need to hear it from Hunter's ears, and I kind of tried to from

I'm sorry, from Hunter's mouth to my ears. Um, I know, I know, I know, I sort of asked this in some form earlier, but like, what, like why Star is Born? Why why this A Star is Born? What do you what is it? What is it about the characters? I mean, Jackson made like a fixture and like the Hunter Harris like Twitter narrative. Um, I just I really just want to hear you sort of extemporate extemporaneously talk about A Star is Born to me and what and what's so

perfect about it? Well, okay, I think it is. I honestly just liked being surprised by things, and I was I did not expect to like A Star is Born. I did not. I think I'd seen only the Judy Garland version before, and I was like, okay, I'd heard all this drama behind the scenes. I was like, I don't care about Bradley Cooper. I'm like, I mean, Telephone is the most important song to ever have been recorded,

but I'm not a huge like little monster. And then I just walk into this movie five minutes and I'm like oh, this is not going to go well for me. Um it because it was so good and I was like, I was just so want over by how big it is, how loud it is, how earnest it is, which is like not a word I even like to leave my lipt um. But I was like, this is like a movie, Like we're watching a real movie that is like so

carefully and intricately put together. Um and like the music was really good, and and then it's just like, you know, talking about a movie is to me the best part of it. And I could walk out of that movie and truly just there's so many theories about like are they sleeping together? Do they actually hate each other? Do they go to the same colorist? Is Arena Shake about

to leave Bradley Cooper? Like all of these things? And then it's like they do the Oscar performance and You're like, this is truly the most intimate thing that I've ever seen, so definitively. What is your opinion on what happened with their relationship throughout the process that was a star sports? And where are they now? I think I think maybe they were kissing. They were kissing, but then I think it was just you know, intensity passion in the moment.

I mean the fact that Dave Chappelle is in this movie, it's like also crazy. There's a lot that's insane about It's like the fact that Lunelle is like one of my favorite movie, like thank thank god, an I think it's okay. Anthony Ramos plays the friend that for some reason was listening to Yonkers by tired of the creator just fully into the year twenty was in the movie Yes It's what It's what plays when Lady Gaga goes to his room, knocks on the door, says, what do

I do? He's he can't have sex, and it's like, who was listening to younkers? Okay? Got it? Got it? Got it. That's a mystery that I still want to solve. Maybe that was Anthony bringing that in? Sure did I misinterpret? I feel like Anthony's character was gay? He was gay? Okay, he was gay? Interesting? Got it? Got it? Got It? I feel like what I'm talking about, and this is the one other movie that we could have this debate about, I feel years later, honestly, Yeah, and then the conversation

will continue because it's my favorite to talk about. It's so much time to talk about. I mean, I can I can remember tweets Hunters tweets, she goes Jackson, Maine at the Grammys. Um, and then it's the gift. It's the video of the person in their car going this is so this, you can have so much fun with this movie and her turning around to say what he could say anything his meme. It arrived at the right point for me. Trailer was so good, the best of

all time. And also not for nothing, but for the trailer too, not only like promise something amazing, but then the film delivered on that moment, that that moment that Ah is forever film history still. Yeah, and her performance is she's great, She's great. Is that as we've said before, I mean fully improvised, like like unhinged, unhinged scene, unhinged dialogue. It could not have possibly been written. That's my theory. But what are your thoughts Hunter on the way that

the movie ends? Yeah, like like in terms of that, I'll never of again of it all, Like, do you agree that the movie sort of lost its way in the in the second half or it does not matter to you? No, No, it definitely does lose it's direction, but it almost makes me love it more because if it's flaws, because it was so close to being so perfect, I think that I'll ever love again. It is like, uh, you know, not to bring it back, but it is

just a fake Whitney Houston song. Yes, and yeah, it's like that PARTA seems like a little bit too like Hollywood to me had its own iconography until it was trying to be other things for some weird rea it was like Shallow was so its own visual and it had its own visual identity until she gets and maybe this is a comment I doubt it, but until she gets just like usurped by Hollywood and gets that new manager, then it feels like from that point on, not only

does she feel like not the character we've known, but the movie doesn't feel like the movie we've and watching. And if you were really gonna give him the benefit of the doubt, you would say this is a comment on how um things lose their voice and becomes sort of amorphous after a while when you allow like money to dis Yeah, right, that there's that. But also I just think it just maybe wasn't a very good second half of the movie. No, after the Ali Billboard, it

kind of loses the sense of itself. It couldn't heighten. That is the inflection point because I don't know, Matt, were you in the theater with me, But I remember seeing that and just gasping. I was just like, oh my god, like this movie is off the rails now, like this billboard is ridiculous. Well, the billboard I think was the last acceptable thing in the movie. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. And then because it was just like this moment, it's like we understand she is now like joke famous,

Like it's like it's like we get it. And that's because because that's when you knew that she did not have a last name, right, she does have a last name? Well she main no no what her maiden names? No? No? Um okay. One of my sources sent me an Academy screening Q and A where Bradley Cooper says her last name is Kimpana, which is one letter different than his mom's name. It's just the kind of Stampa is like,

so on then believe her name. They had to take it away from God, she would not have been able to stop. I think that what the problem for me of the Ali billboard is that the billboard plus the hair the Manager, plus that scene where Jackson Maine says, if you don't dig deep into your fucking soul, it's like it's just it's also on the nose. Get it right. We're supposed to think that she's this, this and this. Also. The movie I think, very stupidly does have the attitude

that pop music is dumb. But I think it it's not. It's not the not the own. I think they should have struck right. But Hunter, you were gonna say, I was going to say that. In interviews, Bradley Cooper defended the pop songs and Lady Gaga didn't, and Diane Warren defended the songwriting. That is really fascinating. I mean, yes,

and yes, you're right, Matt. Like Gaga, if if if her name had been Alan Compon, if the if the last name was figured into the final movie, Gaga on every single press stop would have been like, it's actually it's actually Bradley's mother's name. We changed it one letter. I mean, you almost wish that it had been so that we could hear her talk about like how she identified even more because it was an Italian last name

and it was actually Bradley's mother, so that was special. Um, but ultimately, that's the weird thing about the movie that I think they got really wrong is like the reason that Lady Gaga is such a force, and like the reason she hit so hard and it stayed so hard is because she made fun music that was from her spirit, made people dance and like that, it seems weird that she would be the one to be like and then she sells out because we know that's not making pop music,

isn't selling out And he was so clearly what's what was wrong about that situation? Like he was not right in trying to continue to micro manage her and like maybe she didn't get involved with the right people. But I don't know, Like I said, Act two completely just I think it just made the wrong choices, that's all. And ultimately we have to look forward to the sequel. We have to look forward to the sequel. The three of us love it so much. It's one of our

favorite movies. I think it's the only movie recreation like in terms of the original ones, they don't have a sequel. I do want to see what Ali Main does from here. Soph album for sure, Yeah, yeah, who do we think? Who do who do we think the co star is Ryan Reynolds. I think that would be beautiful. I don't know why I said that. That's just the first word that I thought of. I love that. Your reaction to Ryan Reynolds just an what about? Um? I don't know,

I have to think about. Okay, Yeah, who do we honestly, and we put it to the readers, who would you like to see star in the sequel to A Star Is Born? That I can announced now that three of us are writing. Yes, Oh that's fun. We should write it and then do I zoom a reading? Um, so it is time at this time take a short break and we're gonna do I don't think so honey. And we're back with Hunter Harris, and on this episode we're going to do I don't think so honey, because that's

what we do on all episodes. We've actually taken a week break from I don't think so honey. Actually we're a two week break even. Oh yes, And so it's time and um, bone do you have taken this week? I have one? Do you? I would about to go, I'll go first, but but um, you know I feel that I don't think so honey, sort of like and given new energy because we can now be a topical and I can speak to something that's in the news cycle. Okay,

that's perfect, so feeling. I love when everyone's talking about this. I love when you go topical and if and I can't wait to hear your take on this. This is Matt Rodgers. I don't think Sony as time starts now, I don't think so, honey. People who talk about Hamilton's like gets Starbucks. Hamilton's is not hamilton is not McDonald's. Hamilton's is not this commercial bullshit. We get it. You're

a democratic socialist, you hate money. Oh that does not mean you need to fucking rail on Hamilton's like it's fucking mass media. Hamilton's was created from the souls of artists of color. And every time you get on there and you say fuck this and you say Hamilton's, what you're saying is you haven't seen it, because had you seen it, you'd be shouting in the streets. You'd be campaigning out there for night at least Gold's very to win. I don't care what she's eligible for, whatever it is,

you would be basking. You would be respecting Lynn Manuel Miranda, because yes, he may be a quote unquote irritating presence to you. But he is also a genius. And Hamilton's is not something that you can talk about in terms of like, oh, it's eating up the media narrative. It is a work of art. I don't think so hard And that's one minute, thank you, And did you feel

this is happening a little bit? And there's this weird phenomenon where people are taking cover behind Tony Morrison hating it to be like wokeal we be like, oh so see, like it sucks, like I don't know it could both things could coexist where like, yeah, Tony Morrison hated it for whatever reasons she hated it, but also like it could be like a good musical written by you would never leave the theater after saying Hamilton's and say Funk that I didn't like that, because it's literally blood, sweat

and tears and emotions and performed so beautifully mistaking Lee and it's so obviously like looking at the way you can um perform theater and trying to find new ways and innovations on that idea. So that for you to say like Funk that I didn't like that, or act like it's something negative for the world that's so annoying to me, and people talking about it like it's McDonald's is so crazy, like it's this to be consumed and

not just like an artistic achievement. And I guess it's ultimately like says something about its artistic achievement that it's gotten to that point. But this isn't like some it's not garbage. And so if you're out there thinking it's garbage, like you should watch it and you can watch it on Disney Plus now. So but anyway, yes, no, not that I'm promoting it. It doesn't need my promotion. Like maybe it's like uncool for me to say, stop attacking

this extremely popular thing. But the people that are like eating up the space on Twitter saying how Hamilton's n cool, It's like that is one of the least cool things you could say. I think everyone's just having a good time like reliving it like that. That's just been what's nice about it for people who have seen it, it's it's been nice to just like just relive it and be like, oh yeah, like I do get to see

it with Philippa and she's doing great. Maybe I have like an emotional attachment to it because when I saw it it was two days after Pulse, and I remember thinking it was like I had never felt that bad, Like after the Pull shooting. I was like so devastated.

And there is like a lot in it about gun violence obviously, um, and so like there were there was the these segments of the show that I thought carried a little bit more weight because of what had just happened, and I was so emotionally raw, and it is such an emotional show, so it's not like um. But but then again, I don't feel like I'm out here defending

it because I have an emotional attachment to it. I just think it's ridiculous to consider something that obviously came from like some like a love of something with any other commercial bullshit. That's like taking away from people who who endeavor to see it or like buy into watching it, you know what I mean? For sure? For sure, Hunter, what is your opinion on Hamilton's I have no opinion. I've never seen you like, I don't give a fuck. I'm along for the ride. No, I was gonna watch

it probably this week. Actually like it? Do you like theater? Okay? That's that's fine, and that I actually respect that we actually respect that. We'll find out if I respect you after you're I don't think so this is okay, Yeah, this is um. This is going to be an extemporaneous one is it usually is extemporaneous. Can't wait for extemporaneous b and yang and his I don't think so honey starts now. I don't think so Honey calling me kiddo in any sort of flirtatious capacity, it's I feel like

it's I don't know. I mean, I'm not used. I'm not over here using daddy that often either, Like I'm not acknowledging any generational gap in my sexual parlance with people. So kiddo feels like the opposite of daddy. But it's sort of offensive for the same reasons. It's not offensive, but I'm saying it offends me for the same reasons. Calling me kiddo, I think it just kills the sex

for me. I'm like, okay, so you are going to fantilize me in this way that he feels a little troubling, and I don't really want that as part of our dynamic. And you're calling me kiddo. I don't know do you. It feels like you're in It feels like you want to be like, you know, what's his face, like Lenny Kravitz and Hunger Games or something? Does he say that?

I feel like he does. He might not actually say called Jennifer Lawrence kiddo in the movie or in the books, but I feel like he would, and that just makes me feel uneasy. I love Lenny Kravitz and Hunger Games and he's very sexy, but just for for someone I met off, you know, tender to call me kiddo, I don't want it. And that's honey. Of course, Lenny Kravitz was never more sexy or than when he was in the Hunger Games. Yes, absolutely, yeah, I hadn't thought of

that before bowing that. It's like it's like and like I for some reason, I don't mind it when someone calls me the and the the handful of times someone has even facetiously called me daddy, I'm like, oh ha ha, that's funny, and like, hopefully I won't have an issue with it when I as I get older, but or as I hope to be called it as I get older, But to be called kiddo now at my age I just I don't. I don't enjoy it. I don't it

sounds patronized. Yes, that's absolutely exactly right. I feel that what they're saying is like, Hey, in my initial interaction with you, I'm letting you know that I'm the authority figure in this relationship, which is which is not a conversation we've had prior. No, we have not laid out the terms of this exactly. Hunter, I think it's time for Hunters. I don't think so honey. Okay, Oh, and I feel a stirring, I feel a quickening. Okay, this is Hunter Harris's I don't think so honey, her time

starts now. Okay, My I don't think so Honey is about Mr Joseph Gordon love It. I think so Honey not. I will not allow that Joseph Gordon Lovett industrial complex to rise again. Here's the thing. I don't think so Honey, because the most lonely I felt is when all of my friends had a crush on him after five four days of summer, and I knew that was a bad movie, and I knew he was a bad mood, and I knew better, but I was shy, so I just went along with but I'm tired of it. I don't think

he is a very charismatic actor. I did not like when he hosted SNL make him Laugh. I thought that was very upsetting. I have not forgotten it and it still haunts me to this day. And I don't think so, honey, he's trying to have um he starting to resuscitate his career Hit Record Joe. I don't think so. Oh my god, and that is one minute what I don't even know what Hit Record Joe is. I have to come out of saying this is a production company. It's not exactly

a production company. It is his I think at one point was a platform where you could like upload videos similar to you know whatever, UM like fine TikTok somebody. But it was like a created all of that um and then at some point I think he took the

material to make it into his own thing. But now his his Twitter handle is still hit Record Joe, and he still has these like automated tweets soliciting like you know, advice, reactions, whatever, and it's just all so incredibly internet in a eleven that I just cannot Yeah, he really had a moment of sort of a gradual Shallowmang where he really became the one for a little bit, but it didn't feel like it came out of nowhere. He had earned it.

He had been on Third Rock from the Sun. He had like done all these Inny movies, remember Brick, Like he had like done all this cool stuff, and then had that moment with five hour days of Summer, And I think what happened was he just started he thought of himself as an autour a little early. I think he branched out, fully tapped out. I feel because like in Dark Knight Rise, is like it was fully set up that, like there would be another franchise for him.

I comptly forgot he was in that. He was like a Christopher Nolan favorite, remember that. And for some reason I don't remember him in those movies, but I do remember him vividly in Don John. Like Don John to me, Don John was already on the decline. See I love Don John? Is that insane? It's worth it? I feel like it would hit with you because Scarlett Johansson is giving you a certain amount of dragon that movie too.

I was talking to I was talking to someone and they just did an impression of like Joseph Gordon Lovitt in the trailer where he's like he does this crazy accent where he's just like, no can get you the way between me and mom porn or whatever, I don't know,

like porn. Yeah, he's like really really he's doing He's doing, He's doing rod Sterling Slash me doing um the comic book, or Snake in the Simpsons, being like nothing with a dash of like Jersey Shore, the dash of Jersey Shore, like I feel like he yes, there's he wants to resuscitate, but to do it now is so interesting, and I feel like he just took a weird left turn and then it was just like producing theater for a while,

Like I don't really know, he's not aware of that. Honestly, maybe he would he now because now that we remember he was in Blockbusters, maybe he like, after getting a taste of that, was like, funk this, I don't want to do this right now, and then wanted to sort of do his own thing. But they are interesting choices, Yes, yes, we get the choices have been interesting until you're you're just done with him, you don't want to see him anymore. I have just never seen it for him, so I

really there's like nowhere to go. Yeah for me. In regards to Mr Gordon Lovett, I like him and thought that this is my own Long Island like trauma, but I thought he was so hot and don John, I'm looking for my community out here, oh wow, yeah, but I won't find it in this zoom. For too long, long Long Islanders have not had culture that specifically caters to them. Shut up, Bowen, that's what what I'm rude. No, it's the truth. Well, wow, what an episode this has been.

I can't think of a better person to kick off our our post two episodes stretch you sort of become. This is really the beginning of our new era, which is we do It's like our BC is like before the List and after the List we do B L and A L. So this is like year one, A L and yes. And actually I think this is the birth of a segment that Matt and I had kind of talked about before. We might do a new thing where we talk about a thing that should have made the list and is in some ways even better than

any thing on the list. And I think the first inductee onto that list is Aaron Brockovich. I think so I mean I have to say thank you so much. This is if this is the beginning of a precedent where everyone that comes on the show says their culture that made them say culture was for them, and then we immediately decide if that's worth putting into the culture list. I love that for us because it gives us an authority. Amazing, Well, Hunter, thank you so much. Where can where can they follow you?

On damn Twitter? Um? I tweet at Hunter why Harris and you should be following? In fact, I think we made a rule of culture a while back, like if you're glowing Hunter Harris, then you don't get it. You don't get it. Also, um, Hunter, your skincare I'm sorry this is another un key thing to say, but your skin care routine? Um? Was it on the cut or was it on Strategist? On the cut? And then you hit it into the glass future as well? I mean,

skinker queen, Hunter Harris, please check out the routine. I just ordered an ice face mask. Great. Oh I love this really so so do they work? Um? I mean I think they're very soothing. I can actually help with your skin. Oh really? Okay, So I'm looking for like a deep puffer. Get a jade roller, You get a jade roller. Is the jade roller just kind of like it's it's lymphatic maybe, but it's if you put it in your freezer and you whip it out morning and night and the cold just sort of like deep puffs

and it feels nice. It feels like a nice step of like, alright, I'm gonna try I'm gonna have a cold face for the next several weeks. Okay, we thank you, We thank you. Okay at Hunter My Harris on Twitter, thank you so much. Hunter. We always close each episode with the song maybe It's time, Oh my god the words? Is that what it is? Whenever you're listening to the Stars Born soundtrack and like the Jackson Man's comes on, you're like this and then you go, oh and everything's better bye or bye