"Crushes, Enemies, and the Press" (w/ Pat Regan)

rulal culture number forty eight. If you give a mouse a cookie, he's going to want a glass of milk, and more and more and more afterwards when she enough? When will it be enough? Can you just answer that question? Well, according to famous Feeball, that is written to teach us all a lesson about human nature and control and portion control and control now more than ever and now more than ever, portion control is important. I think I'm in

with an amazing take. I'm in because I'm trying to just have like, what is the most comedic choice to make in terms of pushing and if you the best comedic choice is whatever choice you make and nour breaking the fourth wall and I'm gonna go ahead and speak to Canadas is actually who's winning me over this season? By breaking the fourth I think, I leave my whole fourth wall moment and don't take a second of it

out amazing. When we talked about this three separate episodes, including this one, it was it gets in a word for most iconic fourth hole breaking. Well little the moment I keep talking about it is when she like she's facing Gil, she goes, what are you doing? And then

she turns to the camera. We do right now. I love it and I love I love when the show decides to sort of tilt the camera one way to show another camera and then you think, Okay, we're in a different space for in a different one, and that's them saying, like, now, what we're talking about and what we're commenting on is the process of making reality television

and that is best taking. So you consider all this fourth world breaking of Lost Coach, like we we we really tried to do our We tried to do our thing, our little your top a little up to a little tip. You try to embrace your traditions in your history by doing you know what you do up top. But sometimes someone comes in and really pushes in and takes the

glass of the milk. That's the thing, is like what I said right before was if we give him this in and he will take a whole he will take over the podcast, which I know is what some readers really can. I tell you something. I posted the trailer for my Showtime comedy special Matt Rogers, have you heard of Christmas? And Pat Regan is very much at the top of the trailer. More comments about Pat Regan being in the trailer than the trailer itself. People will, people

are gonna watch, Millions are gonna watch because of Pat Regan. Honey. All that matters is people are going to watch your right, and that's why I cast him. I'm using him just like I'm using him today to promote my special. You're supporting your supporting role. I'm so upset introduce him. Yeah. Our guest today is of course the Cost of the Sea Treatment podcast. He's a writer for Hacks and going on three seasons now, and not everyone makes it from

room to room. Room culture is extremely difficult, very political, especially when you work for you know, the best in the biz, and so there's a lot of turnover. But not with our quick little Cat, Our little Cat, well, we love him so much. She's a beloved fixture on the podcast. And his absence is always felt. You know him from his upcoming projects, which included Matt Rogers, Have You Heard of Christmas? And which he has a supporting role.

It's so wonderful. First of all, Mike cutting the trailer is a little whatever. But what are you talking about? Why are you dragging my trailer. I'm not dragging your trailer. I'm dragging my performance because the trailer. But then you dragged my director. So let me tell you something. When you come from your performance, when you come from your performance to anything, you drag the director. You dragged the project,

You dragged the creator. So you just sat here. You sat here and played in my face and keep my fourth wall in. I need Eric where where we need Eric? On call on the ready this whole episode, because I just feel like Eric is gonna be brought in. You were studying in the trailer. You were studying in the trailer. I was most importantly studying on the trailer. December two, Pat Reagan is in Matt Rogers, Have Your Herd of Christmas?

And well, the thing is like they all knew that because of course deadline announced, but didn't the announced Pat as that was a big secret. You know, I'm wondering if whatever, I'm not gonna you're not gonna drive. I'm not gonna talk about the press today. I don't have to talk about my crazy relationship with the press. Today. I'm gonna taking my relationship with the press, and please welcome to our guest. Can you talk about your relationship

with the press. Can you elaborate with your relationship and be honest? Okay, well, the press never acknowledges me as a person, and then when they do, they do choose to kind of they find her little ways and we actually I can't, you know, I just want to really talk about my relationship with the press. So I can't be that person who's always talking about the relationship with the press, but mom being so ironic and like joking

about it, which is what's so crazy. It's not that because so the Julio Torres that did when he was on the podcast recently that all pop stars have three eras, which is um, circus, surveillance, and Christmas. But I think a fourth one, which I don't think it's in disurveillance, is press relationship totally. Well, this is an important way. It's a subsect. I don't think so you don't think so reputation is pressed, it's not surveillance. Okay, you're right,

you know what I'm saying. So what is our surveillance album? Then I think surveillance is a subset of press. So what you're doing is you're saying Julio was wrong. No, let's not. And this is press right now, this is we're in the Heart radio building. Yes, we are in this building. That's really harkening back to yesteryear. Yes, it's interesting talk about how it harkens back to yester year because we all were an agree about this when we

went walked down the hallway. Well, it's just like from that time when like offices were made to have ping pong tables and like and that was kind of groundbreaking and like bright color is and like interest. Didn't you want to work at one of those places? Of course I did, and don't do. I would get on my name if someone told me I could stuck talk to work at BuzzFeed in two thousand, I'd have a gucci um the song I played when I get to my news,

I could weavluu we even song. But even with nothing on, I'm made you look Duke I'm not saying the song. The second he stepped at the elevator degree and we didn't know that I didn't know the song. He looked at us a dog. Yeah, I have such relationship with music where like I will sometimes really dellop into an album, like this is my album on Delovan too. I did that,

of course with Midnights. But then I was like kind of craving more so I searched for someone recommended to me um like I listen to it for a first time on a run. And sometimes when you stand a run, like you're not running for a someone around because you need to know, like going ill, you don't know what to think about, like should be thinking about my crushish i'd be thinking about like my enemy, should be thinking about like my relationship with crushes, enemies and the press.

If this isn't a future star, I have no idea. Well, you know, I'm a scorpio, so enemies pressed really my major, my major relationship, and the same over here the press was talking trushers enemies on the press title about what were you talking about? Ized with the guy brandam the divide the cultural divide between October and November scorpios. What

are you saying? You and I are sitting across from each other right now, right, and we're connected for life because we're Scorpios, but we're also divided such different experiences because of that divide, and there's smaller amount, but you're literally cut. So that's what I said. And then guys said, no, you're not. And he can be very argumentative. He can be very toxic and argumentative. I'm so happy, so hard to go to be beaten up every day psychologically. He's

saying that it's it's pure binary. There's no such thing as an in between October and November. But I I was used to identify as a cusp Scorpio. That you're not. Yeah, And so that's where guy was coming was that place of no. So your guy both reside in the place of no. You and you come towards me from that place and that's cool, that's okay, But you're both a member scorpio. So what can I expect? And that's actually

very characteristic. Yes, you know what I think it don't SOT is doing this waste up dancing and it's actually really good. Well, can I just say background on this? This is the biggest song on TikTok for gay people. And if you don't have TikTok and are not a gay person, you do not know the song. It does not exist. It is not a this is this is I'm telling you if we were to go on my TikTok right, because that's your TikTok. No, no, it is TikTok. I page. I think what happened was like TikTok has

decided showing it's a real culture umber forty nine. I just say that nine right after well my my fy p is like giving that one Megan train or something, which I swear to God is not a hit. We only it's a household name song if you're gay on TikTok. And then there's a there's a dance to it, and I was even thinking this is how TikTok has infected me. I even thought about learning the dance and posting it. But then I was like, there has to be some twist.

I can't just earnestly do this train. Maybe you can, but maybe you can, and maybe is that very millennial of me to be like earnest No, I think millennials are not earnest or are they no. I think millennials are like very ironic and like, you know, and so that's why I feel like we all have like, uh like a sensitivity to like watching people like expose themselves earnestly. You know what I'm saying. I would say gen Z has that too. I don't know what jen Z is.

Jen Z has an anxiety. I will, but like millennials kind of came in and they're like they took anxiety and they're like, this is gonna be our thing exactly. I feel like millennials are like we're saying what our damages out loud, and like gen Z is like whatever they're doing the d we actually don't care that much because burned it down. We've actually grown up in a world where we've heard all the stuff and it's like stop.

You know. I was surrounded by gen Z this weekend in Boston, and Boston I was surrounded by gen Z. No my cousins because I stayed at their house because they live in Boston, and they're my youngest cousins and they're all from eighth grade to senior because they're spread and they're three and there. And so when I saw them at a wedding like a couple months ago. I told them I saying at their house and I was like,

oh my gosh, I carry Amanda, Samantha Charlotte. And then the oldest one, who is a senior, looks at me blankly and they go from Sexton City, Sex and six Girls and she goes, I've never watched that and known I've known as ever watched that. Oh that was a power play and it was huge. It was cool. It's the look in the head tilt. Yeah, the head tilt. What's her show where she gets to find out what women really said? I don't know. You know, I did say the sex lives of college girls because I got

news for you. Women aren't really saying that girl sex sex lives of college girls. Maybe I have to hold space. I'm going not not nervous isn't the word, But you know, I hope I deliver an amazing podcast episode. What where did that come from? I think because your readers are so kind to me that I'm like, I hope I can go there before the ceiling is high. The floor is high as well, I know, but also it's like I want to give them what they want. You are

giving them what they want by even being here. I guess I'm just flustered and befuddled that this is even where this is gone because the fact that we now have to call you and take care of you a favorite thing to do with coddling. That's not what we're doing. It's not even what we're doing. No, but Pat is wearing a ups brown because guess what he's delivering. Oh my god, is that what we're calling a ups That's really good, bro, I got this in your hometown of Denver,

Colorado comedy or Aurora, Colorado or Collins, Colorado. Oh that's not Colorado, some of my Wyoming or your hometown, and that's fair. Much of Montana is your home, not much of mine. What would you call Englewood your hometown of Jason, Englewood, Englewood Town Adjason. Yeah, there are exerts of Denver that I've never even seen, never breathed the air there, So in some ways verified. When will you return to Denver this year at Christmas time? Why where do we ask? Well?

Because I have a show in Denver, like Taylor Swift right exactly, you're coming. Yes, you're taking after them by doing that, I'm taking after Taylor Swift, I'm following in their lead. Victor carlss. No, there's so many comedians I don't know nowadays, and then I've learned about them and I'm upset. Josh Sharpen are going to start a new live show in New York because I want children. No, it's one because I'm like, oh, that part of my

brain is atrophied. I need to like eat do like a full yes, and I need to get this going again because I remember liking it even though it wasn't that good at it. I was like, let me just work the muscle again. And also just to get the kids in. Yeah, because I don't even know who they are anymore. Now. People ask me like, oh, I'm in New York, who should I who should I go see? Who should I book on my show? Who did it? And I'm like, oh, wow, the girls are not the

girls anymore, you know what I mean? Now they're all scattered about. I'm still I'm like literally like a Vicky gun Wilson figures like still I'm still in the scene as like truly, like all of my contemporaries have moved on and up for it, and I'm just kind of of course, famously, Vicky gun whistles a narrative is all the people she was on the show with the beginning are now huge stars. That's her. What was like the real O g who they wanted the show to be around.

The O C was it? Um oh, I would have thought it was Vicky, to be honest. And then there was another one though there was season one. Oh my god, that's gonna be high. It was well Gina Gina Key. I love her and will willingly die for her unless, like Shane Key know she had a hot sun. She had a hot and the cover thing. The Brobo producers really tried to make it seem like her son and

another housewife might fuck. I mean they remember them like filming them like in Gina's grotto because obviously had a grotto, and was there a lower third that said Gina's Grotto. I don't think they were like they weren't smart enough. It wasn't like nowadays, well there will they'll be a little on third, which is like Andrew Harrington and her husband on the bottom of the site and quotes grown ass ma'am just back then didn't know how to win. They did not because they were too earnest, but I

almost like that. I almost like that, do you know what I mean? Son? Fucking one of the Housewives is very like v o c as in. The show was literally giving desperate house That was what it was trying to do and to be to make you feel all right. So that's why they did that. And it was like Joe because the original Housewife had one person in the lineup was a truly twenty three year old fiance, I stay at home fiance, and that was Joe Dela ROSA gorgeous girl by any but not but not ultimately what

the franchise would give us. And we'd say we were looking no, but they wanted her to be kind of an evil longer. It was very much. They came in, they put up like a corkboard, they put up you know, flity, and was Vicky sort of the Felicity Huffman. I don't know who they might have wanted Vicky to be. I think she was her own thing and that's why she succeeded. And that's what I want to say to everyone listening to the podcast. If you want us succeed, be your

own thing. You have to push into your originality, right Bowen and I and right, Pat and I think that you have to really stand out as yourself, don't try to be anyone else, and to kind of say something that I invented in a phrase that I coined, Um, being yourself is your superpower. And that's a phrase that I did write down for the first time and published widely. And Okay, but for real, to really start the podcast, what superpower would you have if you could have any superpower? Um?

I thought about this all the time as a child. Well, downstairs you said one thing, you wanted to have catwoman clause, So you can because we weren't popped in a glass chamber that I don't know bought my or glass chamber, and we were walking down the hallway and like, my heart has this super fun feature where when you walk down the hallway, music plays a million different radio stations. Yeah, yeah, every time I didn't even, I didn't even. I think that's what I think of them as being radio that

is that's that's ok. Yeah, So every time you walk by, if you walk one inch, actually a different kind of chuck starts playing kind of cacafany of was a really good word for it. And then it's all white. So I did say it harkened back to um when when I'm cameramber was walking through the white and a white jumps to and she looks back and you see just her face. And that was their way of getting through

that portion of the heist or whatever they're doing. But and then there was a glass wall, and I remembered when I was little, so small as I just he's really going back. I was watching Batman cartoon and I was wating Batman. I remember, oh my gosh, I'm having some of my memories. Thank god, this is the place last culture, the place to dump memories. And you know, Catwoman had to steal something because that was, you know,

her job, that was how she made her money. Very much a vigilant and so she put her nails up against the glass and just rotated them in a perfect circle. Came out of the glass and she reached and grabbed like a necklace or something. Yeah, and then I'm sure they didn't share this in the show, but I'm sure she would sell that neck class yeah, probably, and make her family to start some savings and you put a

down payment down somewhere, you know. I just rewatched that man returns one with Catwoman, which in this then just pull this one out of my app It wouldn't be random to talk about like a different Batman series from what we've been discussed saying it wouldn't. It wouldn't have been like, how do you get there? Are talking about Batman and Robin Well, I'm really going to be here. I'm just jumping from really one Catwoman film to the

other Catwoman sorry project, which is Batman. Hearns and because I don't really recognize other Catwoman's, I do love Anne and I think often and was mother for that? Yeah, she left, she was she was not a single the whole like those heels hurt and then she kicks the guy in the balls. I don't know. Oh my god, I never saw that. But I will say one thing I hate is what I call like Marvel humor, which is a yeah. And I'm someone who's deeply entrenched in

the Marvel universe. Say we were, we were saying this on Stradio Lab that Marvel Humor is like the successor to like random Sauce Ship. It's Marvel Humor is scarred Joe like fighting like a bunch of guys and then like her phone rings and she hey, kind of busy right now. They literally did that in Charlie's Angels. Cameron invented that. Cameron invented that. Hey, I really like that guy. Yeah, I wish had stormed into the Marvel breaking her retirement

into that movie instead of the Marvel. I invented that, And suddenly the multiverse is open because Scarlett Johansson as Black Widow is fighting um Natalie A. Cameron Diaz as Charlie's Angel, and that would have been the multiverse for me. That would have been the fact multiverse. I need it. But they would never do that. They would never hundred Did you guys cry during Endgame? Yeah? I cried two times against all against my better judgment Angels. Yeah, but

I was stoned with Jok and Booster. Was it the iron Man of it all? It was the funeral. It was so for me it was I remember It's also the cliff, the cliff that was That was the first one that was No, that was the end game. I believe it was dying. Yeah, it's like no, it's like halfway through, Dame us Speedy. You're right, because you're shocked when you're hanging for the movie and YPS showing no. I actually think scar j Blackwadow dying was no, it wasn't.

We cannot as three men of gay statue, Yeah we can't. We can't men of gay stature, as in, gayness is a stuff. The reason why I think we can talk about it is because we have to get to the bottom of this. Because I remember when I saw Endgame

in the theaters. I'm sitting there with Greta and Abe, and I remember Scarlett Johansson as Black Widow spoiler Riller dies like literally less than halfway through the movie, and I turned to Greta and I was like, why the funk am I here to watch these to watch these guys do the rest of this? Like come on, I'm getting I'm getting her mixed up with Green Lady. Yeah yeah, oh mom, Yeah, well she's about to come back in

the way of water. I can for avatar to the way of what the last thing and this is gay leaning though it does, I did not want to come in and talk about Dave Wasson and I've seen enough because give this gay leaning podcast is officially gay um, you know, because they had that moment that was amazing for women in the final fight sequence when all the women come together and just happened to be on the

same girls. They literally should have play that. And then scar Joe, who was such a woman of these films, like doesn't get to be in the Crazy Ladies shot. You know, I know that sucked. There's a scarlet shaped hole and that absolutely which is a gorgeous hole. I might say, people, Batman, you're talking Aboatman returns, Yeah, I was talking about what were you going to say? Oh,

I think I was going to say. I think I was going to say that movie was so she was so mother for that that one but one has but one has really become obsessed with the phrase so mother So funny. Where did you get that? Did you get it from the culture? I know it's so funny to repurpose that. Oh, it definitely is. Sarah Sherman and I want to write a step over all baby Birds and we're like, wait, what is like like just like like the mother bird, like vomiting up like a worm for us,

and like you you're not mother for that? That seems like it has clear three beats. Absolutely it's gonna carry that. The out is so perfect. We're like you, like our house is made of sticks and ship. We're going in the week. So at the political institution that is Saturday Night Live, is it's sort of like dancing in the street now that the midterms are over and it's gone fell well for the dames. Yeah, where everyone is sucking and fucking. Yeah. I haven't sucked. Actually haven't either. Yeah

that's not true. I haven't felt something while I've had. Yeah, I don't like it. And I'm actually on record on this podcast as saying sometimes I'll wake up by myself and I don't know what happens. I like blink my eyes awake in the middle of the night, and I'll have like a craving to suck cock. Yeah, and I'll turn to my left and positive there's someone else there, and then there's not, and I'll be like, magic, that's

my dreams saying to me. And then I go to beout it and I wake up and I'm like, I forget it. But I but then when it's actually happening and I actually have the opportunity and it's and it's literally actually in process, I'm like, well, I'd rather die than do this for one more second. Yeah, I know, that's so funny recently, I said, I said, I don't know if I'm gay. I know you are. It's like that David Sadaris thing that he did on sixty Minutes.

I didn't see oh he oh. People were angry because he was like, I liked, I want to say it this terrible David Donald duck. He was like, I want to say, I'm here to announce that I'm straight, because I'm not, like I hate. He basically was like, I hate the term queer. It was one of those things

sometimes I'm like, why do people care about anything? Well, because remember the queer was like only used as an insult, and also it's like it's like a trigger even when it first became the thing just too umbrella term queer for the lgbt Q plus community. I was kind of like, oh, that doesn't sit right in my spirit because it was such a negative thing all my life. And then I

feel like now I'm over at whatever. But I can understand someone of David's Aris this generation, being like, oh, I don't know about queener, right, Yeah, yeah, well I will say that. I actually recently was talking with lesbian, older lesbian, and this lesbian was mother, and she said that whenever she hears it, because that was touch like you would It was literally, let's come up with a new word. Oh my god, was the energy? Should it just be like three dollar bill like she is so

three dollar bill? Yeah? Yeah, maybe three dollar bill feels exclusive to gay addicts? Why because yeah, not even addict? No, I do you think it would be mother to um have a show at three dollar bill? Like I was looking at the space three dollar I felt like, because I'm thinking about creating a new show with a new concept. He just desided that, like right before, right after you just said you and Josh you and met the shows. My friend says he's starting a new live show, and

then imagine my position. That puts me end where then my other friend says he's starting right after. That's not a cool position to be in. And whose side do you want? I need to This is not a cool position for him. This is a do you guys watch you love is blind? No? I hear it's so wild? Yeah, I mean what, it's just truly more of the same. It's just truly more of the same in a good way. But at one point when there are girl and a guy or in a fight and she says like no, bro,

don't do that or something like that. It's like it's every straight girl's dream. It's like to be in a relationship with a guy and then in a fight and call him bro because it's like I'm actually a cool girl and like whatever, it's so tristated culture, bro, Like you can't do that, bro, like a straight girl just like weaponizing the word in that way. It's like, I know,

but it is interesting. You know, Love is Blind is actually should win a Pulitzer Prize for like their exploration of a certain type of straight woman, because it really is interesting. Um, just this kind of woman who's going to go in those pods tomind a husband is like it's a different thing from the boutch law. It's different because the bachelor, at least at this point, is like more it's a different kind of woman. It's a woman who is more invested in a certain kind of Instagram

and love is Wine. People want Instagram followers too, don't get me wrong, but they also to me seem almost even more genuinely interested in finding a version of love and being a certain kind of straight girl. There. I don't know, actually I likely tracked all this because I can't quite articulate off to think more. I think this every now and then, Like I thought that with what show? Is that the spinoff show? Oh? I didn't. I didn't

want to. That's interesting because you're meeting the couples from episode one, Yeah, and you already see like the way that they operates. It's interesting. I have to say, Vanessa La really upsets me on the show. It's because she gets very involved. Um, I just don't like her performance races. But I but you know, that's okay to say. But you know who is wonderful who I'm obsessed with and I keep wanting to run into her in the building is Alex Wa Have you watched them all? And not yet?

Oh my god, my cousins, the girls we made to watch. Are you just in Boston with with cousins? Those my younger cousins. Don't know about them all. You couldn't know about my I know, I know, I will watch them all. I just keep being in the place where I'm like not, you know, you have sometimes to take on more people into your life, like you need to be in a certain place where you're ready to invest, of course, And I think I just haven't been ready to invest in

the people on the mall for some reason. I don't know why. I mean, I'm gonna watch this. Joel says it's unbelievable. It really is. I will watch it. I will. It's one of those things. And I don't think this happens rarely, but like me, Bowen and Joel are all enthusiastic. I'm gonna watch it. And I think also to redirect and answer your question, if you wanted to meet Alex Wagner, I think all you have to do is make a quick call. I don't want to like arrange anything. I

just want to run into and just wait. We should be like, hey, is it cool if if Bowen says hi to Alex Wagner, She's like, okay, cool meet on this floor and then she arrives and it's a podcast set up with us and then and that would be a mother and Alex Wagner would actually be interesting to have. She would be amazing to have on the She would be amazing. That's like when I did um a sketchphrase A there was like in the room next to me, but it was like rooms that were just curtains, you know,

And I saw the curtain room. Next to me was lu andellus up. So I've never met and so I was like, I do want to meet her, and so I told like the pret was like I want to, like, yeah, you you told us the story of story, the story week before we ever even were interested in house. I know you said the story of Luke. You you've done us an important kindness. Thank you and I'm serious, my god, he mean. And then I felt like we got you're pissing me off. Okay, we'll keep going. One second way

from getting up, taking off my mic and leaving. Did you learn that was she diva whinning? You met her? Um? It was funny and I will I hope it's okay to say this is like was my experience of Blue. So first of all, you know, it's a big kind of warehouse space, and we all knew Lou. We all meaning me, knew that Lou was coming at some point and she was shooting afterwards, and so it was kind

of like a quiet onset moment. It was like they're shooting something and then all of a sudden you heard literally as the horse was walking in like clop clop, and it was Lou and walking in with a puffer holographic jacket on and like a news boy cap and address under and she was walking in with her team in the loudest shoes ever in it like you know how it's like like it's the same flour as as like a costco, you know what I mean, and her

shoes and like it was a big space. It took her so long to cross the space that they had to kind of like stop shooting, I feel all and then whatever they go back on, they started shooting again. I'm sitting next to dear friend of the pod deer castmate, and have you heard of Christmas? Joe Firestone? And we hear another clop all of a sudden again for another like seven minutes, it's lou She's like put herself down and she's coming to look at Crafty and she's like

what they happened? And she kind of like Perus's Crafty And then it goes back. Anyways, it was just like you got to stop walking so far in those shoes. And then afterwards I waited around specifically, and then finally, like one of the producers, but like Lewin, this is Pat, all of a sudden, she looked up you know when you like all of a sudden have to say something. You're like, oh, I actually have nothing. That just happening with Kathy Hilton. Oh my god, So what did you say?

I said, I'm a huge fan. Yeah, what I said? I just wanted to say a team Kathy. It was the worst. You know, one time I was at I have to say, I think it was the contended Elton John oscar party because it was in like two thousand eight, Well on Beverly Hills was litigated. I think I was at that one because you know, Jordan's firstman was there and he had worked with Lisa Wrenna and I don't even think he was a Housewives fan, but he knew I was, and he was like, I'm gonna go to

Lisa Wrenna. Do you want to come? And I went over. It was similar or like she obviously had things to say with Jordan, but I didn't have really anything to say.

But you know, when you do just want them to remember, you say something like so random that like you'll have to remember it till the day she dies, like say, truly a random collection of words that's always be like that was so weird that person did that like in um everything all the time at once or whatever, I would do something really random like that that everything all the time. I want doing everything all the time. I want something random special powers. I was like wanting to

do something like that. So she would always be like, oh my god, that person like that said that crazy thing, and now I have hot dog fingers. Yeah, like you, Matt seems to quit that humor with Marvel humor. Perhaps I think this is the best humor. You're confusing that with the best humor. This coffee is doing bad things to me. I feel like I'm ruining me. Know, I'm literally my god, the way that you should have been. No kidding, Wait what did you what did you say?

What did you say? So? I just was like, Hi, First of all, you don't like a woman wears glasses and all of a sudden they feel too big for her face or something for sure? That yeah, yeah, I know I only think about women, ever, So that is what I if a man had too big of glasses would be like, Okay, groundbreaking. You didn't know how to dress yourself and how to put anything on your face. You accessorize badly, novel, Wow, go straight to the news. Yeah,

go straight to the cress. Oh my god. Anyways, so I just kind of like I said that. Then we kind of stood in silence. I didn't know what to say. I just kind of stood there, and then I was like, why better be going? And she was like, okay, Bye. It's just so hard because you want to meet these people and see them, but then like it's like, what do you talk about? You know? You know what, the three of us don't have the common been on Z way, been on Z Way, not been on, pointing to myself,

you've been on, you've both been on early. Yeah, that's crazy that we actually helped build her empire, and it feels like I don't get the invitation even though I'm her network sister. That sorry, just feels shady to me. Angel has also been on. Yeah, it feels like a complete rage. Yeah, you're being erased every every day period. But some day soon I have an idea. I asked the universe for it. I literally begged the universe. I

begged the universe every day. Um watch when I go on and she like absolutely destroys my character, and I'm like, well, I shouldn't have begged for this one. No, No, that's not. I always say when I've gone on in her in her real it's always just in a sketch capacity where you've never been interrogated. Yeah, I've been interrogted in the way that Bowen has. But maybe one day. Now, what do we think about? What you're gonna say? What was the culture that man? You said? Do you have a

new answer? Um? What have I said? What are you going to say? What do we think about white lotus? If you know me, I I white lotus. I always have this relationship with the word. I'm always like, okay, I'll watch it. I'm like, wait, what Like, I'm just get so confused. Sometimes I think it's a wonderful show. I celebrate confused about it. Okay, I'll always watch it like a little bit after everyone else, like always both seasons and um, have you watched this season yet? I

have watched this season. I'm up today with this. Except for the final timinants of the most recent episode, Oh we're there there, Yeah, we're like, you know, who's mother? Who? Also the they're being mother? And then also who's that he is? The hot girl who's like yeah, so she is killing the performance? I am telling you, how was she at first of all, saying with mattetted that they didn't know her name. I'll give you the back story. So several years ago I went to a Betty Who

concert at the Fonda with Jared. I remember this concert, yes, because this ultimately was the concert where Jared and I first hooked up. So we had been like seeing each other as friends and then all of a sudden it kind of dawned on us, like, oh, I think this might actually be more than friends. And so I was with Jared and a bunch of the bold type girls were there was bull type. She was on the bull.

She was on the bull tide because so she has this like legion of fans of people that were obsessed with the bulld type and oh wait, wait, who are we talking about? Megan Fayhey? But which one is she? And my oldest and the lodest. She is Aubrey Plaza is like the girl that so she plays dafnause second. I worried when you started getting bull type with it. I was like, I don't think she would be on board type because like buld type is all like night. This is my impression, this is what I think type,

having never seen it. It's like they're in like um young person office, like the friend person office like this, and they're like sitting like this. I'm kind of spreading my arms like on the table. And then like why Markton is like, are killing at this quarter? You're getting at that promotion and she said, guess what You're going to rocket on your day tonight? Girl? Yeah, and then all right, cheers to cheers to getting what we want. Yeah,

that's like the quote opened. I think. I think in a world where like AI eventually takes all our jobs as writers and starts writing episodes, the AI would write that as an episode of time like, but people truly fucking love that, and so I don't mean to be anything but lovely, I meanly so. So we actually also met those girls at Vulture Fast when we were doing the interview, so we've actually interacted with them several times. But but Megan was at the Petty Who concert and

I had met her and she was very cool. So to come to find out years later, I'm putting together my Vulture fres show for Have You Heard of Christmas? And I saw that Megan was doing like a white Lotus panel earlier in the day, and I knew that she was like an absolutely incredible singer because Jared had sent me videos of her singing. So I had also booked Eddie, who's separately. Betty text me and says, I'm gonna come with Megan. She's actually one of my besties.

I was like, oh my god, that's so funny. So then Megan comes to the sound check and she's the nicest, loveliest runs through her stuff. She's got like a stunning voice, and then we ended up doing sort of like a duet o Holy Night. And I guess some people on the internet like didn't know she could sing like that because so now like that clip of her like slaying

down Holy Night, it's sort of like popping off. And I have to say I told her, I was like, you are kicking my ass on White Lotus and she was like, just wait, it gets so goofy and crazy and like it gets so good, and I was like, it's just cool. Nice to meet someone who's like really super talented and nice and having adore her. I didn't. I walked into White Lois having no idea who anyone was this season. This cast wasn't like stars. Yeah, I mean,

I haven't that's that's why they're not stars. But I mean they're not household names like they felt like the first yeah yeah, yeah yeah. And the guy from Girls probably is the most famous person on episodes Jennifer cool. Yeah. Let me think. We watched the first episode, we saw Christopher from Sopranos get there with his son or whatever, and then the next scene his sums like at the pool and he meets like the younger girl at the assistant. I said, that would be cool if he was like

my dad was on the Sopranos. In the second scene we see that he's playing himself. It's actually Michael imperially Aristo. I love that. So I have this watch it a little bit after everyone else, and it's a show that gets talked about and gets like lifted up and praised, which I agree with and um, but then I always I'm like, wait, has it takes me a second to get into it? Every year? Every both years. I remember

when I watched. I watched the first scene with my fee but I was like, this is not a conversation that humans would have where it's like, hey, are you guys just getting her from your vacation? After all, I'm just leaving mine? Are you having friends so far? Anyways, it's a crazy resort. Anything you're gonna die, they're gonna have to drag you out of here. Yeah, and say,

well I have to I have to run. Since my vacation, I was but one final swim and then I literally thought when that was happening, I was like, oh, was she going to get in by a shark or something like what's happening to mama? And then when she bumped into that body, and when she bumped into that body in the sea, yeah, well I was like, this is the best case scenario. It's like because she's actually fine. Yeah, well she's traumatized for life. Okay for mere number seven hundred,

number seven twelve. If you bump into a body, you're ultimately fine. But you were telling me like the performance that it was so amazing, like when she like, it's so totally you know, it was just very like what that would be like, you know what I mean. I was like, yeah, because probably you read that and you think it's giving like a body, But there was like this like mixture of emotions and processing that she was doing, which I was like, come on, talent was actually mother

for this is Valentina. Is that the hotel? Man? My god, she is giving everything towards me, everything towards me, And I do think in this most recent episode, it's like one of her subordinates goes up to her and it's like, you're amazing. I know. Is this repeat of what they did last it's interesting with Yeah, maybe if it is, I won't actually care. I wouldn't mind it. I think all they're trying to get out with that is that she's really lonely and underappreciate it. And I think that

she's probably stressed out a lot of the time. So when this person comes up to her and gives her a genuine complement, it's like, okay, let me find the words. That is like an affirmation of YouTube. Okay. And that was weird because then they show her eating her lunch with the cast. But I was just gonna say I

loved that little scene. Kittens. Yeah, it's not the it's not in the final town and eating her lunch out of her type of ware, like in the street alone and she's feeding these two little kittens and it's like something.

So it's kind of lovely too, because it's like she's doing like a like a nice Benevo the thing for the cats, but like she's so short with everyone else in her life because you can tell this is a person that's just like I'm sucking done with human beings because I have to deal with the worst subset of humanity, which is the worst white people from America who have all this money to come here and like have like

a fucking experience here. And it's just so that's kind of like I gesk the thesis of what the whole show is for me. Yes, I agree. This season, I feel like the thesis is like I don't know if I'll be able articulated, but I do think there's this theme of like just people like of different depths trying

to connect with each other and being unsure. Like everyone's like like reaching in the dark trying to connect with everyone else, and no one really is understanding anyone else's internal world, and it's very difficult to like connect with

someone or something. Yeah, what I like about it is it's truly about like almost like self control when it comes to like carnal desire in terms of like what is and is not expected or if it's expected or accepted, Like why is that, and I feel like there's this thing that happens on occasion with people, which is this is another reason why I like white lotus is because when you were put in a situation where you're like, okay, it's time to relax, that's where your mind goes to

sort of crazy places, don't you think, Like sometimes when I'm on vacation, it's hard to let your defenses drop away and just like sit in a chair and enjoy the sun, because then you're alone with your thoughts, and like, crazy things happen, especially when you're with people that are close to you, Like I feel like tensions have risen a couple of times when we've been on vacations together. Yes, my guys, go ahead and get into that. We had

an argument in spring. Yeah, what was the argument? I remember when we were at dinner and um, yes, that was the one had told me one time that I should examine that about something that I thought, Oh you know what it was. I was still following. I was following someone I shouldn't have been following on Instagram. And I said that, and you said, well, you should examine that, And at that time I didn't call it out, although

I felt it was condescending. So then we were at dinner months later and Bowen said something and I was like, well, maybe you should examine that down and was like, why did you say that. She's like, it's about it. Did you know about the thing? I don't know. If I recognized it as a callback, I think I would recognize that.

I think it was just when it's someone like your best friend, because in Mexico City suity and I kind of had oh, I remember that was not And but I feel like it's just an everywhere you go there you are a kind of thing. And that's what the show is about. It's tiny, little little micro things that then when you have the space to room it in on them, things come out. So I feel like, especially with like Aubrey Plaza's character and her let's just say it absolute smoke show. The name is um Will Sharp.

They clearly think they have this great relationship because they communicate, but then there's like no chemistry between them actually, and

so that now that's coming to a head. You can see in the final episode of this of this episode which you probably were not, she's like on the phone trying to call him, and she's realizing he's not picking up and she's in her head because she's like on an edible or whatever, and she's like sitting alone and being like, maybe this is where I start to realize my relationship is actually not what I thought it was because we're not fucking and now he's not answering my call.

And the last thing I had was that we communicated about everything. Yes, yes, and has a great little moment when she's on her edible and she just like goes, you'll you'll, you'll be obsessed. You know, you could say I, I don't say it because I want to know which part you're talking about where she was just where um Aubrey's like do you think, oh yeah, maybe once that I know about, And then she was like but I'm not a victim because like how do you handle that?

And all. Yeah. I really liked her the turn they took with her character, and I loved it because that's the only thing I'm waiting for with some of the characters, like especially her husband, THEO James, the guy he plays him. I'm just waiting for that character to become a little a bit more complicated than it is right now, because like what I loved about Megan Fayey's character was for me, the moment of the episode was that monologue she has

about the elephants. Yeah, when she says, like, I would never want to be a man. It's so lonely and they really think they're doing something important in the world, but really all they're doing is just walking it alone. And then it cuts to them on the jet skis, which, by the way, that sequence was that Comedy Budget loved it. Yeah, Comedy Budget loved that. Mike White, I love I. Um, you know, he's might. Of all this River seasons, there's

two that I've never seen in his as well. Wait, Pat, that's one of the best seasons that everyone says, I just got so tired of it during that time, the late thirties. You haven't seen David vers Goliath. No, And then like what happened was then I knew, Oh, it's so good and it's so fun to watch him on it.

But what happened was now I know who because of winters at war and then also which I can still enjoy season when I know who won, but I also know like what place Mike gets and I know what I know what places the two girls who appeared in Yeah, I know you have to watch it because it's actually one of the funniest I've been episode going off on Plus can be so dangerous because y'all st that's about so dangerous because you'll find the most random master reality

so that they have like the back seasons. Anyways, they have nine seasons available of Big Brother Canada, which is like so good. It's better than us, and it's like it's just in the Nationals always right, and it's also just like it reminds me of older US. First of all, Survivor Australia the peak of television watched you've seen this season with Pia. He is my favorite, is the best contest of all. I love her. I also love her girl.

I call her as you are. You should name her actress Peter because that's what I In that season of Australian Survivor, it was like people that are famous in our country versus people that are not, and so I guess was famous in their country and basically she was actress Pia and they showed clips of her from her famous acting roles only in Australia and then basically she used her acting throughout the final tribal. She had to

convinced she has been using her acting. Yeah, she was like, the way I used my acting was like this, And then you saw don all over their faces that oh my god, she's been using her acting this whole time. She said, I've outwitted, outplied amazing Australia. It was. I was actually so surprised, asked, I'll do crazy ship. I'll

try of talking like a British accent. It will come out like lawless, no bad, except for actually, Land hasn't really helped lebon Dukas broke my brain to the point where now I and almost every sentence to be past. My favorite conversation of her own is this really consequential? One this most recent season between Tasha and Billy at Coosa More, where Billy said to Tasha Billy's house, um

so Billy said to Tasha, um, I like you. You're quite mature and she said, no, I'm not, and he said, yes you are, and she said, I am to be pad made you change your mind if you are, I am to be fair. They end a lot of sentences to be fair, just that one. No, no, they lend they're always almost everything they say is to be fat. Yeah, he's quite hot. To be bad, he's quite fit. To be fair. It's important to be fair. It's more to be there. You have to be fairer. When was the

time you can own up to being unfair? That's really good fair. Yeah, that's really good. I can note up to a lot of times that you and I have had conflict. Matt and I. You're being unfair. I didn't. I wasn't pushing you in the no, no, no, But I'm considering, and I think sometimes I've been fair to you. You're unfair to the ones you love. Yeah, that's because they're a safe place. That's because you know they're not

going well. You know what's interesting When you got to talking about fighting on vacation, I was like, I had this moment where I was thinking, like, I don't know that I have like vacation fight. No, I don't know how to have vacation fights. But I don't know that sometimes if I have like friends close enough to have real fights with, you know what I mean? You also have been yes, but you have also been in aship. Yes,

that is true. And when you guys think about your vacations together, No, but that to me is different, like traveling with someone reveals a lot. I'll say that yes, no, no, I mean, but I'm more so mean, just like familial friendships. Oh isn't it funny? Okay? So then at the end of the Potomac episode last night, you find out they're going to Miami. Yes, they literally go to Miami, and

it's honestly, they're in Miami. They're in Miami. Yes. Well, I was saying, like, it was funny that we were gathering today and I was wondering if because you would have come and you would have stormed in the Norse today, you would have walked down that i Heeart Hallway. The radio would have been playing a million different stations because of the frequency you were emanating, and you would have been like, can you believe they went to Miami on

Potomac just like we're doing. Are y'all, what do you think about Mia? I'm sure you've covered that. I mean to laugh. I laugh every moment she's on screen, but not like I do not like her as a person. I think that she is chaotic and maybe even evil.

But I'm laughing every second she's on screen. Me and Angela were laughing very hard last night because we were watching and they were litigating if she was being attention seeky with her medical health and so and then like they kept to her confessional and her radical health, and they got to her in a confessional in this like you know all pink number that like, and the way she was talking, she was like it was just so presentation and it was it was as though she was

saying like the same tone people use. Went over a hossife finds out she's going to be on Chicago on Broadway, and she was like, so, I have a few lumps growing in my body. But it was like really funny because I was like, yeah, you are. The doctor said it was cancer and then didn't. So I have these lumps and we don't know what it is, but we know they need to get removed. And we also know that she's like, you guys can't see what she was

just like it wasting. She was gesticulating. Yeah, and then she was not watching It happens Live last night and it's with Renee rap who you know, it's like a big house lies fan and you can tell that Renee was navigating so hard. How do I co exists with me on this panel? To very different energy. Yeah, but it was a fun episode. It was it was actually a fun episode. Yeah, yeah, I'm sure. Do you watch to watch What Happens every night? I do? I I

it's my favorite show. Oh my god. So I was ready to come in, like if I Becoming did come up, I was gonna say, I almost count you guys, because you like, I love Candace. But I was going to say that I went balanced in person a Johnny completely convert, like, I'm really like, she's having a really great season. Well, she's the only grounded presence on the show this season. I feel like she's the only one that's like able to look around and be like, huh, like this is

not it, which is crazy. So we also need a German word for when, like you haven't watched the House season yet, but you've seen the discourse and so you know who people are hating going into it. I look to you to create this word. I don't actually mean to make a German word. I can't. I don't know the language that. Yeah, we're gonna call it bosh and fruit and um, I think we've talked about this before. Like, even when I know you're in the wrong, I still like kind of stand by you. Yeah, and I do.

Like when I wrap with Canada, she said that I watch what happens, like she goes ten down for Candice every single time. That's cool. I like when someone has that. And for me, one of those people is Robin. Oh no, people don't like I am. Robin has gotten to the point for me where I'm like, no, it doesn't matter what she does from now once, she could solve world hunger Anti Robin, I don't don't this season. I just

get her. It's been season a little so I like when he was like, my husband's mad because I sleep to two pm. But that's like what I want. It's like, I just think she is so I find that so I didn't try. No, I find that what I respond to is that even when she's saying something wrong or she is, you know, siding with Giselle in a way that's confusing. I feel that I can tell that she believes what she's saying, like I do think like even when she's off base, she's earnestly off based, do you

know what I mean? Whereas Giselle, who I can let I root for and I want to like, but it's like the things she's saying, it's like, you don't even believe this, you know, you're just saying is consistently manipulative and vicious and obviously producing. And the way that's the show. That's where I come from. With Renda too, It's like I, if you earnestly came in and said, I believe that this is true and this is what I'm saying, and

I'm like, this is my truth. And sure it's like inflammatory and actually delusional, but whatever, but this is like what I believe. I can't always get behind that, and like see this woman grappling with her own internal world. But when I can tell if they don't even believe it and they're just saying it, that's when I'm like, I don't care. Gazelle and Robin neither of them have any conviction. Like Robin certainly has nothing to like really

fight for. Like even the thing with jan which is, by the way, it's been installed in the same place for three seasons, it's not interesting to me. And she's most of the time to me, she is just Giselle's little lackey. And then anytime someone sets her off, it's

usually Wendy and it's like it's so much. Ye, the thing with Wendy is really crazy to me too, because if you actually walk back why they even started to have a problem, it's because Robin said that Wendy was loose, not of substance, that she was like talking about her body behind her back, and so all of these things, and then she was like ten down for Giselle when Giselle was bringing these stupid rumors about Wendy which obviously

are not true about Eddie eating onto the show. So it's like all these things that are not grounded in reality that you then threw it Wendy and now you're mad at her for responding in a heated way to the point where now you are like so immature in dealing with it, like her at the winery, the way that she was like I care, I don't care. Last season she was like, oh I would go fund myself

that I'm like where. But I also believe that sometimes I think that Wendy seems to be a little full of ship sometimes and I think that they can clock that and that gets frushing for them. I think we saw that with you know, the hot mic moment after the TikTok lesson dance lessons. I was just tripping actually saying I'm gonna have it. I'm gonna host a TikTok teaching TikTok dance teaching thing. And then they came in.

It was just like them learning tipping, which is cool, but I've never seen a woman kind of do this on TikTok the way they got like a drone into that studio. Um, and so what was the hot moment? So then, Wendy, it was the episode was titled stand in Your Truth and because they stand in your Truth, and then like the producer, I would love to know the machinations of this moment. I would love to know if the producer was doing this on purpose, like if

they knew that Mike was still on. But a producer chased her said Wendy, Wendy, what do you think about Mia? And she was like he had just said, like, Robin, you called me a liar, you called me a liar standing in her truth. I never called her a liar. And then it cut to like the Wendy hot Mike moment was we all know she's lying? Yeah, so's I don't mind a hot mic moment that like it's like, oh, you're not saying it to her face, but it feels like a very intentional assembly of a character this season

that Wendy is doing like she's really she's lost. But I felt lost with her last season, even I thought I thought she earned that spot next to Andy. But what I think is happening is unfortunately her only actual friend on the show was Candice, and now it's feeling a little bit like like she's feeling really iced out of the group in a way that I feel is bordering on bullying. But then it's like, well, I think I was. Actually I will say I am on So I'm at the point where Robin calls Candice and asks

Candice to ask Wendy to bring her kids. To feel like that that is that is crazy. I will say that Robin's a fool. But I did feel that Robin, I don't know what. I don't know why, because I do anyway, it's going into this season, I knew that everyone disliked her, like she was not the favorite, and so I don't know what. I'm just watching it through that lens, but also knowing I've always because even in season money, you know what I think it's I guess I respond to when it feels like this show is

not that important to them. I think that's and that's why I truly love Shere's Is, like she is does not I love Shari. I don't think the show is important to her. I don't know if she's playing with

house money, like she's like, I don't need that. Last night it was funny though, because literally they're all on this huge girl's trip to Miami and they get to the house and Shere's is immediately unhappy with her room, and this is like where the show is happening, and there's goes in the corner and she's like on the phone with her travel agent being like, hey, yeah, I need a hotel, and she's gonna leave. So maybe the show isn't important to her because she's willing to leave

filming because her room doesn't have a bathroom. Just like he gives so little that it's almost artful. I don't know that she's I think she's trying to give a lot because the show, remember, was supposed to be built around her. She was supposed to be in the beginning.

It was like it was about like Charisse and Karen and Giselle and like the power struggle between the three of them, for like who was the queen bee of Potomac and then Saris fell so far to the bottom that has sort of become this like Giselle Karen thing because they actually know don't mean she is a vicious person. And I'll say this, I know a producer on one of these shows who worked with Giselle and he said that she was by far his favorite to work with.

And what that said to me was that she's the most manipulative and down to make the reality show happen instead of like just living life. Like I don't like any housewife that is like an active producer in the show. Any time that happens, I feel like I see through it. It's not fun. And also, these women are not actresses like you're saying, so when they don't believe it, they're not. I can never used being an actress to win is not actress PI and just went on Survivor. It would

flop so hard. Um nowture blue number of culture. It's just Survivor. It was so hard and never used, never used. But Zell, I feel like I hate to make this distinction, but it is the light skinned girls bullying not not no, and they also know about that and still do it right. It's I'm gonna say, I hope it gets better. Um yeah, well that's why I did that. The vibes are a little a bit of a bummer is about to throw a drink in Wendy's face next week. I don't like this,

even if one do. I don't like that they're like violent. I haven't gotten yet, but I will say, like I'm always done to watch five episodes of Pasties in a row. But I was just like, this isn't compelling to me right now, I will say, and this is hard for me to say everything franchise wide right now, I'm kind of feeling like all of this needs to turn up

a little bit. But it used to activate a little bit more Like it feels like everyone on every franchise is hyper aware of the reality element to the point where they're managing themselves. And I'm like, we need something like actually messy to happen, and not messy as in a drama way, as in like, oh that's odd, I haven't seen that before. Type of Salt Lake is like getting a little bit better. I'm enjoying salt like this.

This last episode was great. The auditions are crazy. I'm the only one who can really sing crip for his bad little like Sarah and I. All week we're just we're going away. It's so crazy. And then they were like, you're amazing, Lisa. Did I do it? Was that it? You can real listen only the season was like Juliet the premier when like Lisa Barlow is playing um basketball

with her college moment. It was a college moment and like it was when they were just they were just getting into the funch college conversation and he was like, you know, I already have a company and yeah, killer company, because like they were some telling each one because you couldn't really understand that they didn't even that killer company. Lisa was the reason for the season. Everyone saying it

you have been since day one. I've been like, no, Lisa Barlow once once the dust Settle is like, she is going to be the star of the show because again like she's the most wacko alien present. Meredith is too, but also Meredith is now trying to hard on the bathtub. Was Seth, I'm like, I don't know you you understood that we liked the bathtub thing from last season. So now you put your husband in it and you started

it's hard. She's like losing me a little bit. This Lisa is kind of the foothold I have that we all need right now in terms of like, oh, where where did that come from? Charter a character like I'm important to God. God, I'm very important to God. An amazing line her thing, Yes, an amazing line every episode she gives that. Every episode you leave, and it's like at least three moments where you're like God, she's having

this really her own planet. She's having this really earnest battle with herself like should I be nice to my sisters who are going to divorce? Says I don't know if I should be nice to me. It's really hard for me to listen because I take that home with me. When I get on the phone, my whole day is ruined. Every energy hell him Agan, here's Hella. The reason why I like Lisa too is because the way she's a laughway from a tear at all times, like tears fill up in her eyes. That means to me, she's not

faking it. Like she is not faking it, She's she's genuinely that emotional, whereas Gazelle. The reason why everyone's like, we never see Gazelle cry is because she's never really never at all. I do love her freaking daughters that they show the moments of her with her kids, because otherwise there are no redeemable quality period. I'm quoting my best friend Matt Rogers. Every time we know it's going to get rough for Giselle, we will see a scene

of them getting a pedicred together. Because the daughters are like great and lovely, and you get the sense that if we actually were to see Gazelle's real life, we might be able to understand that she is a good mom, like has been through hard things. You know, she's a funny person. But when she gets into reality show mode and the quote unquote reasons why producers like her, it's ugly. It's she definitely doesn't believe this ship with Chris and

this could like really damage him. And it's like, I struggle with Chris, but I do think he's being But do you think that he No? No, And I actually believe him, and he says that just and he was like, can I talk to you? And she was going to go to my room because that's what he says. I can hear her saying, because she wants the tea and mostly what she wants is the tea. And then she probably realized because here's what I'll say. I don't doubt that she felt like it's weird that we're in the

room together alone. But they probably had a moment together where they both realized it and we're like, let's not do this. But like her talking to Candice, oh, you haven't seen this last episode is a little oh, she says this. She goes, I don't ever want to be in a room with a married man. And it's like, okay, but there's so much like you're what does that mean? Like every married man who's in the room with you

wants to like fuck you or something. That's what she'sating, which is and it's like, is she doing it to dismantle what she knows is a teammate to Wendy, Like is that what it is? Of course? I mean it's all rooted in that, it's all rooted in wanting. So what do you like that Robin is standing by them? Like Robin is very much fighting for them. I will

say this. I will say this, I think because Giselle has gone so low at this point, I actually think for the first time, Giselle has literally gone too far, too far, And now Robin is like, I can't go down with that ship. I mean, I'm literally seeing that you're going too far. So if I didn't, because then Robin would definitively be like a Pence figure, like like essentially, Robin Rabbit had a choice to make. Shall I be a Pence figure? Should not? Robin is it's giving if

Giselle is insurrectionist, well, let's we forget Mike Pence. On January six, broke a secondly, Um, you know arial Carlin Network has a Robin Nixon hat. Well, somehow people are getting them now after months and months of waiting. I mean we were on the ground floor when Mitra and Joel had ordered Robin Dixon hats and then they never came. And then Casey Wilson and Danielle were on the show last week and they said that they had ordered hats and I said, did they come? And they said they

finally came after months. I have to say, you know what, I really loved one of my favorite of last year was I loved it. I need to read it. It was really funny. But then I would it would get really real sometimes and it just you really felt like you had a little friends. She's a great person. I really adore her. I have actually always been a fan.

And I remember, like back in the day, like when she was first on Saturday Night Live, it kind of just felt it was the first time I ever saw that show, and I was like, no, it's not her, that's the problem. Yeah, you know what I mean, Like I was like, and then when she went on to like obviously great success, she was a happy end and just like a lot of people's favorite second like that when I was on. Yeah, and so now she's got

like all the success. But I remember that was the first time because that was when I was really obsessed with when we were like adults. Yeah, and remember being like, maybe this is not vibing, but I believe that she's good. Yeah yeah, but the show would have you believe. The only I remember of her is she played um baby Deska who fell in the well. You know she had. She had a really good bit too, as a paraplegic stripper.

You're thinking of Amy Polar, No I'm not. You're thinking of I got one leg speaking of Pence figures, I'm catching up. But yeah, I was motivated to watch because of you interest, So I am okay. So when I Party was coming out, I was like, I've had enough of I'm Sarah and Mark, I've had enough of this people. Yeah, yeah, and I are you watching? I have not yet watched because if you remember, if you zoom seg in time, I could not get through the first season because I

found it to be too long. I agree. I did not finish the last episode because by the I was with it and the first four episodes, and then it got to nine and suddenly was like, oh, there's like a lot of episodes there. The Nancy Nancy, So Nancy is It is a beautiful character study, like and who is Nancy Salzman? Like what is wrong with this woman's slash? Like what happened to her? That's like how is she the victim? How is she culpable? Like I do think

it's interesting. See my takeaway from season one was like this is like a bad documentary, Like they're taking really interesting subject matter and like mishandling, in spite of how they're doing it, it's still compelling to me. You know what, I mean. And so then when the India dock came out, that was better. I heard it was better. Yeah, you know what I kept saying. What I loved about it is because like India did figure into you know, and Sarah was the narrator and in vow and they kind

of made her almost seem like a villain. She was still in the cult, and like do you want to much about like getting her out of the cult, and like Sarah and Mark for some reason moving into the actress's home and like always like eating all her food, you know what I mean. Like I was always like

I hope they're red mowing her for this. They're always like at her counter, just like reaching out, like and and so then when in the Time or the Stars, when I think that India was the kind of the narrator and she and she kind of I will say, like Sarah was kind of a villain because to that one. And then it felt very much to me like Season jually gonna be each christin Christen's narrator and like and like we'll see the other side and Lauren's almost like

the villain. That was really fun. And then perspective force perspective, and I wasn't expecting this to be interesting anymore, And but I watched the first episode because like why not for some reason, I'm just drawn back in and you find out so much crazy ship and then the most episode four all upsetting whatever, it's crazy. I have not I've not gone depisode four. But it's Lauren of that part. Yeah, this is not spoiler, but what I will say is

it's Laurence Laurence. Yeah, and you find out so much crazy. So it's also so funny. It's like Nancy Saw has been like walking around with her like house arrest, Uncle Brace's great, did her for his table? Yeah, And there's so much great comedy where it's like she's walking around like first she said talking about like all the people she's coached in esp She's like all these big names, these famous people. She picks up an OH magazine picture of Oprah taps shows I coached the person who art

directed this coming space, the person who are dried. And then she opens up the spread and she's in bad and then also and then like there's something there's like one woman who's still in the cad who goes back to Albany and she's like looking around oh my god, like, we had so much fun here, and then there's a jacket on the hook and she's like and she's like emotional, yeah,

this is Jacket, Keith Jacket. I think maybe I will say knowing that the now season two is about Nancy, like because I remember watching the first season and being like, I wish we could focus on one of the more interesting elements of this, and she, to me did because

of her snatch game esque quality. She was of course jumping out at me, and I was like, whenever she was on screen, I was was something about she's a star, and it is like the show this season does a good job of making her sympathetic until you remember, oh, yeah, she threw her daughters into that, and like was okay

with both of them fucking this man. Do you think she knew because she says that she doesn't about about Doss, even about like, you know, the way she tells that she was really in the document about their relationship until it was essentially being in denial is different than being

in the dark. I think I think she probably wasn't intense denial, but she I think intuitively, at least I knew everything that was happening yeah, yeah, well, I I sometimes feel like, you know, we see in this season she works together with Keith so much when on when they're starting the company, when they're building their quote modules, and I do feel like he dismantles her a little bit.

And then but it is interesting. It's like one of those things of like, you know, you think about Sarah last year, how you know she's the good guy, and like, but she brought people into the call, Like why isn't so? How can Sarah say, Nancy, you're the bad guy because you brought me in? But I brought other people And but it's like, wasn't Nancy Keith's first kind of victim?

Do you know what I mean? And also the one person who I believe truly is in love with him and would love to have sex with him, and he's Nancy, I think so, and he's like not into it. There's a moment like I'm watching this whole thing being like what compelled you guys to record everything? Intimate thing? Yeah, we've been doing a podcast for seven years. It's three smartphone Yeah, I feel I don't know, like fourteen, I don't know, Like it was just a different thing totally. Um,

the Nancy thing. She has this whole thing of like, um my mother said, like her a little dummy. It's it's a perfect, juicy little origin story, like I was diagnosed as dyslexic, I didn't do well in school, my mom called me an idiot growing up, all of these things that kind of lead up to her being this nurse. And then like the other interesting wrinkle in it is that she did help these people with threats overcoming. I know the episode was so boring. I kind of loved it. Well,

it didn't help. You know, I have a love of tics. I do have love tics, and I like trying to use the tools I learned. That episode's interesting. I'm like, I need Nancy to disconnect the stimula. So I went in. I just kind of what are you talking about? She was like a beautiful day to say, vives. But but she does talk about it as if and I believe her too. I believe that she believed that she was doing the right I believe that too. And that's what's interesting. Yes,

and that's sometimes how I feel about Robin. Oh my god. Figure figure the fact that Robin and Nancy Salzman are almost say in conversation actually doesn't really shake me because of Giselle's similarity to Keith Renieri. Yeah is the Real House was of Potomac Occult and as Candice ringing the bell,

Candice is the what's her name? Sarah? Sarah? Yeah, Sarah's there, and it's so little now it's kind of I'm kind of okay, I'm They're the reason why I got boring the first season because you're like, I don't need to know more about these people, which probably was in the pitch for the second season, like, Hey, we're going to focus in on the actual interesting stuff here, because that's what's whenever there's like a documentary about like any of

these cults are harmful organizations, I want to know, like what's going on in the annal workings that made it to be such an established thing. I understand how victims are victimized, Like I get that pretty much. It happens all the same way, So there's something interesting to understanding the psychology behind people getting to be an answer salesman like, and I understand the moral question of like is she

a victim? Is she monster? And ultimately obviously the answer is both because it's sort of like a like a fucking Hitler follower thing. It's like, you know what I mean, you wouldn't you wouldn't question whether or not the Nazis are like, you know, evil, they are so interest saying, you know, I follow this Christian girl vlog or as like I hate followed joke and I have, but I have for like six years. I think Katie with Ashcraft

initially told me about her. Yeah, and she'll talk about, you know, how to make up in a godly way, how to be in the same space with a man in a Yeah, that's God. And um, now she's pivoted and she well, first of all, I've been waiting for literally seven years hoping she would like explicitly like speak

out against so mu sexuality. So no, she a hell raising horse, so no, so like, so finally she stopped that your guesses are really wrong and when you guess something so wrong and confusing the listener, because that sets up expectations that are gonna be really wrong. Okay, so unless you can be more right, please don't guess. I'm listening and I'm absorbing. And so finally she came out like two weeks ago as saying that like finally she was like you welcome to the corner of the internet

where we believe marriages to a man. Because I was like, okay, cool, you finally did it. I can feel that the suction of like you hate her, I know. And then but now she's fully going in on like starting an MLM, like fully she's like, she's like, we want to be a like what is it like Prophecies thirty two women, which is like some verse in the Bible where they talking about a woman who staying at home and taking care of our kids and love being at It's always

about like being an empowered woman. She's like, these are what we don't want. This is what uh, this is what women actually don't want, competing with men in the workplace, keep the nine to five, being a boss babe, whoever said I wanted that? And then like staying at home with my babies and but still making money. I think, if you want these things, you can have them. And then but she's just using so much language around MLM though it's like anyone who's ever seen actually any documentary,

well it's just so textbook. She's like, you're gonna if you want this life, you can have it. But you're gonna need to make an investment up front, and that's actually gonna help you because it's gonna motivate you, and it's just like, yeah, it's really The interesting thing about Nexium is like all cults have some degree of self surrender and the people it's it's not that cult leaders go after vulnerable people. It's that they go after people

who kind of want to be totally I'm very much recruitable. Well, it's you know what, it's smart, creative people who are very open to an experience, who feel like there's an untapped potential. Yes, and that was exactly what he was going after. And then the I think the thing that this season does very well in illustrating is that it's like part of the way he got he got like more people to come in or he got people to stay, was like he would very methodically be like, oh, anytime

you feel bad about yourself, it's a lie. And anytime you feel like you're being a victim, you're not a victim. Yeah, And it tells it forces these people to kill their impulse where they think, oh, maybe this is not a good situation totally, and I was the last thing side to The Day I Die is the previous for next week. Oh my god, tonight on the vow they like really start off focused on like a room. We finally get to find out with the girl in the room. Do

you remember them last season in the room? It was the thing they mentioned but was never explored. And also it was like probably the person who suffered the most but was never It was like a passing sentence in the first season, like there was a girl who stayed inside of her room for two years because they told her too and the door wasn't locked, and they told her she had to stand there and for two years. Oh my god, and and she did, and so she pooped, she pop in the room. So fine, we're going to

find out tonight where that woman pooped. Oh I don't know a birth two years, I don't remember. I don't remember the exact as wait just as zoom back to Potomac. When Robin said when when Josell said about Robin, I know this woman, well, I know she should take twice. This was like, I don't. I don't want to know about Robin now, like people are so regular. One time I thought I went to this like that's your no. But it reminds me this one. Some people are so

it's really gross and really embarrassing. But when I was telling this girl obviotlunally stunning, gorgeous girl, that was like going tocause. I went to this thing every day at like seven am. And she was like, yeah, but like, don't you like I have to poop every morning? And I was like, what did you say? I just can't go somewhere before I poop. And I was like, oh, I don't. Honestly I understand, but I would never let that limit me in the scheduling way, do you know

what I mean? Like, I was like, yeah, I don't even think about it. I might, I honestly don't even think I would notice if that. I do go to this place every day at seven am, and it's I'm able to kind of make it work. I'm actually just realized that I actually hate talking about poop. No I do too, and like we we can, we can. And also we've been dragged before for talking about poop. I don't even really don't like it. We don't like it either. We don't like it either. I'm just saying this because

I just realized something. I just got pure for men, and I forgot it at home because I'm we're all, I'm not going to be home for another you haven't been in the past. No, I just got the first time, got her because they actually sent some to me. Yeah, I know, maybe I should. It's hard. Well, I don't say about pure for man is like it is jacky because you have to take like literally three in the morning and like three at night. It doesn't really work.

You got to do it and it doesn't really take effect for like a few days, so you have to really be on your ship. And then secondly, like they say, don't take it near other medications because I guess, like I don't know why absorb How does it interact with disco. It doesn't interact it just like if you if you take it with your discoviy, it like it might not be as impact up you don't absorb it. You're you're lining doesn't absorb it in the same way or something

that's a lot of pill. So I can I just edit, We're gonna stop talking. Yes, I have just gone back to the animal too. It's just it's just easier though. I mean, I have it pure and I take it and like whatever and it comes it will make it easier if it's like a last minute situation. But like but whatever, never nothing. It's more disappointing in like last Friday things more just than the last part, because it means we don't have just we don't have just forward

to Friday. Last Friday. It means it's over the last roding a Crusoe voter. Hey, oh my god, that was such a flop. Really, I mean, she's done, she's done. We might have to transition. Wait, let Pat finishes a story. But like I was gonna maybe go on a date. I haven't really been going on dates. I was going to maybe go on a date this person. I was kind of looking forward to it. But like, you know,

schedules are tricking. My work goes till eight right now, but I spent my whole lunch break like with the bowl. But you know what I mean, like whatever, just in case, thinking maybe the first date would turn into first mate. Yeah, and like you don't really do it after eight o'clock right out of work. So here's a couple of things. Like, for one, I had to go straight there, so you know, there wasn't gonna be time like it was a dinner

thing maybe. For two, um, he was like a doctor figure, so he had to be up at like seven am the next day too, so it was already going to be late. Anyways, I spent a whole lunch break doing that, didn't really eat all day, so I'm starving hungry, and then my work ran a little bit late, and then it was too late for him, so like he had to cancel, and then like, but there's nothing worse than like not eating. And then I like Julie ordered tie

and like ate and watched like old TV. There's just nothing more humiliating than like fully starting and like being on the your all fours in your own bathroom, you know what I mean, like Jonathan Jonathan, Yeah, doing the So sorry, it's sorry embarrassing to be gay. It's also like I remember when I was younger naive, I used to always um, I used to always like when I was young a naive, I would go and I would want like an ENEMYX. I was like maybe I'll have

sex or something. I would like go into like you know, your sexual wellness. I all, I would go into your and then I'd make but I would you know, you're looking at the condoms, the lubes, like you're the sexy thing the things for sex, but then they're not in there. They're they're next to like the tums and the anti acids and like the laxative. You know what I mean. It's like so embarrassing to go there for your sex, for your sex prep. But anyways, that's the last thing

I ever say no about about about that thing. Alright, So I think we should transition to I don't think so, honey. Okay, So this is I don't think so honey. It's our sixty second segment where we absolutely dragged something in culture, and I feel disappointed that I have to say this next thing. I really do you have to? Okay? And there's actually a new story that just came up. Okay because by Wednesday it won't be breaking. This is TMZ. So is someone dead? No? No, no, no, no real house.

It's a city star gun shot and loud, fiery and very public argument. Okay, Okay, play it. Do they have recording of it? They might? The link is loading. Where are we right now? In her case? Like is she going to jail? I mean almost certainly right now. I have a feeling like her Helen lease take place in the jel Okay, tense footage of Jen and for the people having a blowout in downtown Salt Lake City, and you hear Jen's screen several times, fuck you, we're told, Oh,

we're told. This heated show down happened around pm on November five, as they say, Saturday night. It's all right for fighting. It's unclear. Writers are so funny. Um, okay, it's not that interesting. It's just you know, the people. It's at the next round of audition. It's not the call back, it's not the call but no, no, this this happened last week. Wow. So but again, why did it take so long for this to come out? I wonder? She is such a wreck. She's it's it's not fun.

She's the element of the show where I'm like, okay, like, if we're not going to see her literally sentenced, then I'm like so bored because you know what's happening. Yeah, but I do. I do like her this season, do you? Except for that one confessional where she has the hat. I love that she was giving Hamburg confessions. I'm struggling with the confessional and then the Ashley Derby bangs. I'm really struggling with that whole situation. I love it. I

love it. Okay, wait, well remember Meredith's confession last year where everyone was like talking about how it looked like it had to be a breastplate. Yes, I mean yeah, and they just looked like a breastplate. I think Lisa's looking good in her confessionals. Yeah, definitely looks great at Lesa is a beautiful woman. Oh my god, I do I think I'm most attracted to Meredith. Yeah, I'm Ackenzie six, though you're Anzi six. I'm a Kenzie six. I'm like

literally a Kinzie seven. But like I, I'm not attracted to women. But I would imagine Whitney is probably the hottest. I don't know if she is. Andrew said this, hers is very much like a purchased beauty at do you know what I mean? I actually have wild Rose sierumon right now? Oh how is it? I mean? I feel absolutely stunning. Yeah, you guys gasped when I came out of it. Better's belt in your trainer songs? Okay, let's I have the clock starting nothing. All you guys have

to be on my one. Okay, shut up, this is Matt Rodgers. I don't think so, honey. As time starts. I don't think so, honey, Katy Perry. I have to be honest with you. I've always been a Katie cat, but I can't just stand by while you are this publicly obtuse and like blind to the needs of the city that you live in, and is giving wealth, it is giving privilege, and honestly, while those things are definitely true, fucking cast your vote in private, first of all, isn't it.

I know it's probably not illegal to do this in California, because I'm sure you asked someone on your team before you did it, But to post this and then, honestly, when you post like an advertise your political like belief and vote, understand that people are going to have a reaction. And so when you're getting ragged left and right, to and fro in your comments on every Flota you've posted since for this, understand that's because you put yourself in

that position. I don't think so, honey. You might have to go to Brazil now, Katie, they're saying come to Brazil, come to Brazil. You might actually have to go because, period, point blank, l A needs Karen Bass. She's a head in the head in the vote. Right now. We need it to happen. I don't think so, honey, Rick Caruso and his followers, which are like kim Ka, Gwyneth and Katie.

Look at the celebrities that are following him, and look at the celebrities that are following Karen Bass, that you have it right there and might have to go to Brazil. Have to Brazil, because these are all the celebrities that supported Caruso are like the disgusting ones. And when they say come to Brazil, it's to all those people. At

least has a new leftist leader. I just like, all I know is it's just so obvious when all the richest, dumbest celebrities you follow are all saying one thing, probably that means that's not the one. And then you have like the actual activists who are like, it's Karen Bass,

it's Karen Bass. It's like, you know, then don't say you're progressive or don't say you're a Democrat, even when you like advertise support for someone who was a Republican fifteen minutes before this is like basically documented as being not pro choice or anti choice, and as a billionaire real estate developer, go to the grove and tell me, you you you wouldn't want your city to look like the grove. And if you do go to the grove and you want l A to look like that, you

are living in a fans move to somewhere else. It's like, it's like Joel Kim said, it's like people that wanted Caruso to save the city don't want to help with homelessness. They just don't want to look at it anymore. The conversation around homelessness is it's completely insane. And then I saw someone like even like people like I don't want to see homelessess, that not why do I have to see homelessness? Or like why does that person to have

a home? You know, it's like that people are is the lack of humanity, the lack of a matter are on specifically people without houses. Is crazy to see a homeless persons, to be them and to not be able to see like the machinations that led to that person not having a house and that not being there, you know what I mean, it's like to blame them or it's it's so upsetting. I will say I've lived in l A now almost four years. I guess like three and a half years and the situation is very bad

and very dark. But I'll tell you what's the most sad is when you drive by like like an encampment area or there's a place where they are living, and then you drive back the next day and all it's all gone, and I'm like, what happened? Like those are people and I just feel like and of course it's the really really really rich people who genuinely see it like yeah, continue problem, and I'm just like the lack of humanity, the separation of wealth. There you go, and

it's it is the richest people saying this. And also, let's be real, they were paid, they were paid by Caruso to say this. I that's what I think because when you have a billion dollars and you spend a hundred million dollars on this race, and it is like I'm not saying for a fact that I know, but it's fishy to me that he's able to essentially like get all these high prized endorsements from people whose number one thing is money. Totally like that's why like Kyle

Richards is like career. I can't believe it. Well I could believe it, actually, but I'll say this only Beverly Hills housewife to come out and say go Karen Bass. Yeah, because she said and she even said she's like, I'm voting for a real democrat. Um, okay, so that was my I don't think so, honey. I am now a voice you are to be listening to, and now you

weren't before. But at all. Of course, at this episode, I'm starting to like the song, but you will listen to it all that a question for you, is it that Megan Trainer is now going back to like do wop sounds. She's never lost, she's never what I called girl bossa nova. That's great, that really great, really good. But do you think she's like forced by the label to like stay in that. I think her label knows they have someone that they can play in Baskin Robbins,

in Target and at play places. I think toddlers are gonna learn to dance to the song. You know what a toddler like learns to dance and that sort of shaking their legs. It's actually really cute. But like imagine like if if you had a baby and this song came on, you would love to watch a dance. Yes, look a look at him he's going, oh Riley, Um, I feel like it might be one of those things where Jenn Alfa, We're gonna ten years from now, the kids of today will be like Megan Trainer is our queen,

will shoot and apology. It's like, um, this is not the right comparison. But it's like the way people go apes over Lea Michelle, like some of the kids the gen Zers goes with any of the Gleep cast because they grew up on Glee. But like even when like we were in college by the people came out and we're like, okay, yeah, whatever kids, Bobby. But now like this whole new generation of people is like, oh, I didn't know that still running the world. It's so true. Wow,

that's really scary. Like all of them have a huge podcast to like Kevin McAllen, Jenna Switz have a podcast like a big deal. Um, okay, this is something funny. You're ready and as time starts now, I don't think so, honey, space bar before an exclamation point? What people need to understand that the exclamation point comes after the word. There's no space in between. I don't care if this is an intentional way for you to show that you have a bit of whimsy and you that you like to

do the rules of grammar. It's really shocking to me anytime I see it, and I've tried it on for size myself. I've not liked it the times I've done it. I don't think anyone should do it. It really people off. And the reason in this mess today's because language has broken down. You know, did you know that the words pronunciation and pronunciation are different. Pronunciation is the way that words are pronounced. Pronunciation is the way that letters are

supposed to be said. It's the Tower of Babel all along because now no one can agree on how things should be said or written, and that's why we're in this mess. Communication is not caught up, has not grown with technology sec and language has not grown with technology. That's why we are miserable right now, because we don't know how to talk to each other. And that's when it's been the Tower of Babel that it was beautiful, you know, you know Plaset is playing the villain and

coming of chaos. I love Wait what is coming chaos? It's the one that's exciting. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The House of Harkness House, it was called House of Harkness. It's now called Covin of Chaos. Oh that's fun, one alliteration to another. I don't really get why it's better. Maybe coving Chaos like tested better than House of Harkness because Pep forgot that her last name was hark Yeah, I forget that. Yeah, I forget that all along. They really

really should have. So, so when have you been seeing this like as a yes, colloquially people are doing just just text hey, space exclamation point, yes, I I absolutely no means to me. I get that from my mom all the time, and I just thought it was like a mom. Now it's like no, it's I'm the meat in the sandwich, like the older generation does it and the younger generation does it, and I'm like, we are and all we are is meat lately. All we are lately?

I see it with one is really disturbing. But it's one exclamation point. It's it's slightly more palatable, and there's like space and a block of exclamation points. I still don't like it. I agree, Why why is that better? It's it's only better because because then you're like making a feature of the exclamation. It's like this kind of spotlight not even a commutie choice. But yeah, it's a spotlight. It's like and that. Okay, here's the word, and then

space and then like a new word. Eight exclamation points is now kind of like speaking towards the word. I went on your team and you're champion. In this, he's robing to you. Don't bite mea on the spoon up feature, So never bite me. I always say, don't bite the hand, don't bite the spoon. Don't it's very cold metal. It's gonna harm your teeth, going to very much harm your teeth. You know what. One of my favorite bits is when Josh Sharp will do exclamation points and then speak once

in there. Yes, yes, very very very fun, very fun. Well, don you've given us something to think about again again. Yeah, and now he can have his Gucci on, he could have his Louis Vatton. But even with nothing on, Pat is gonna make us listen to us. I don't think so, honey. I don't know if this has been done before. I don't know anyone I know. It doesn't matter. In fact, I don't much better. Okay, okay, this is Pat Reagans. I don't think so, honey. His time starts now I

do not think so, honey. When there's a bathroom in a home and the light switches outside the bathroom, it's so true. Why why don't I put you to do that as a builder, as an architect, as an electrician, as a human first, as human, as actually my orientation, Why are you putting a lightness room outside of room, a famously private space, a famously private room when you need where you you can go and have your moment alone. Why are you, first of all, I like, what should

always be intuitive. It should always be walk in and you shouldn't even need to just you never walk into more. You should exactly where it is because we have that technology. We have the science to do that through architectural science. Now to put it not only not where you would expect in the room, outside the room. You're already making me feel vulnerable because someone some sick and twisting sucker

turn off for no reason. Thank god, it's never happened to me, but I had to live in fear that it would, and that has destroyed nice and confidence, and it's been so brutal. I can't say that there's I could understand one reason why they would do it. It would maybe help. I don't think this is an important one because it really does give the advantage to trickster. Yeah, and the worst people in society are tricks. You don't want trickster energy in the home. No, sad, sad, I'm sad.

We played you gag each other, you know where everyone's nicely like so many politics. I think that I love when someone comes to a talk show and they say that someone was the biggest pranks John see. I think that is such a fun story. Yeah, but then you then you unveil what the pranks were, and all of a sudden, like someone is pooping and then I'm sorry, and then all of a sudden, like the light goes off, and then are they pranksters or are they just cruel?

I agree? I don't sigh, I agree. I don't like pranks. I don't like pranks either. This is we We've established this on this podcast since its earliest episode. But it's a prank is just a way to upset people. Yes, where are you wearing such a chic shoe? It's best best loafer and design my careen bataker and I'm in sort of okay, sorry, I just saw that and I was like this is a sneaker, this is a Nike peg. But that's a beautiful ship. But the colors it was

not in design. Had about this half paraff mare. It was not a disaster, but it wasn't the day before. Can I say you can qualify? Yeah, but it's kind of a setup, like I want to run New York for next year. When I was going to do it, I was going to run, and there's a lottery oreger to do charity. But if you can run, if you have coming in a certain time, on a certain course and the half or the fold, then you can just

bypass that negotiation. I did secure that, but I thought I might be a little bit faster yesterday I could tell how much faster did you want to be? What was? Yeah? I ran one nineteen fifteen. I thought that, um, I could run my pr from you know ten years ago is one fourteen flat. I knew I wasn't in that shape, but from workouts I thought I thought that there was a world where maybe I would run splits to run, like I would go out of like what's your split

for for one nineteen fifteen? It's like six or two? That's crazy? But I but I really felt like from workouts that I could run fifties honestly, and so I went out hard, probably too hard because I get older, but just never wiser, and I have this and I guess I have this thing. I could just tell after like three miles I was run, I was on pace to run like maybe in the lower one teams, but I just knew. I was like, this hurts more than it You're like, I'm going to really I have to

back off. And then also the court. I found the course to be very difficult and the last three miles were all like because of hills, hills, and there's also two separate hairpin turns where you have stopped running in the start, so whatever, whatever. Anyways, these ssues were made by Barroman Track Club, which is a disgrace. It's my favorite training club and running team, but it's been disgraced because there um top female competitor tested positive for an angela.

Do you know where I found myself the other day not the other day like a couple of months ago when I did think of you and myself as a teen. Yeah, I was at Saville Running Company and I was just like a dinner next door. They have a road race in the winter, in the dead of winter called that's a ten mile or I'm gonna do And it's really what it's like the Saville Running Company run to the Brewer or something. I think they've done it for years. Yes,

I got fifth placed in the lab. For years I was fifth, Ben, did you know that I won the ice slipped, not the marathon, the five kally I would think I was a junior. You know they used to have an Entimans five k down. Um, did you get a cookie at the end? I don't know. I have to start. It was in base Horse. That's why your words I'm doing tonight at home, we're actually exercising together tonight. What are you doing? We're doing the peloton Cody rixby

talk show. Oh that's very fine. But one is the guest that I'm sort of in the audience doing a bit. I watched him on Dancing with That with that. Well, you know who's killing her right now? Angela? Oh, yes, I will watch for her. I think she might have because I saw that she was trending, but I haven't watched the whole season. But she's a dancer. Yeah, she's fab. She's so great. But I always put on one person who's like Julia, celebrity dancer who came to him. Julian

Huff is competing again. I wonder how this against like Carol Baskan's like, yeah, I think you might. I think you might beat Carol Baskan and that's something that you need. And then yeah, I think you can probably have that. Yeah. And Bristol Paler, Oh my god, I remember that Palin from being on Teen mom O g and I gave her a really fair chance. And that's how far we've fallen.

When they laughed after the election. Right after the election, it was like after it was in Farr when they finally came to Farr and they said, Farah, you need to choose between adult films and the show. We can't have you do both. And Paras said, and I think she rightly said, well, this is my life. You're trying to document the stories of teen moms. Well this is something going to make money. And she, of course, you know, didn't choose the most eloquent words when she did say

that to the producer. I think she did kind of push the producer. But they ended up having two part ways with Farah, and they brought in two girls, Yanne for who I've been on UM Are You the One? And Bristol. Bristol didn't work out. She was just not additive to the show. And Shyanne is still on it and she does have her child's father is I think one of the hottest members of MTV the Challenge Corey. Look up Corey from the Challenge. She's so freaking hot.

I think every Challenge contestant aggressive, straight energy and even when there's a gig going on there and they're like lowering their voice to fit in. Still in the Year of Our Lord. Almost like if you think Johnny Bananas can't suck me, if he wants, you're wrong. If he wants, he's still against all I was doing these things. I know he won last season. He won last Let me tell you something. The asson suits back in the day crazy if you want to talk about a bubble but

aabam baby was but I don't remember it. But I mean Johnny has an unbelievable butt And there is a sex video out there. What yeah, I gotta check it out. Have you ever watched Aussi from Survivors sex stuff? Because he has the only fans. I'm a subscriber, I'm not active. Okay, then you're not gonna Well, you haven't seen him accomplish amazing feats of physicality. It's kind of why I've seen him climate tree. Yeah, but I don't know. But yeah, okay, fine,

you've painting me into a corner. I admit that it's cool that he can climate tree, but I just don't feel sexual. You know what I was thinking about the other day that you girls appreciate I've seen her at this moment. I wanted to find it on like whatever episode was in in Micronesia and like post it and be like she was so real for this. And it's just that moment when Azzi comes up to party when they realize that parties turned and like maybe she just

voted James out or something. Either I forgot who she vote it up first, all James or Assie, but the other was Aussie first. And then she has the conversation with James James considering sex, who you gonna bring to the end, and she turns and she says, girls so good, so good. Party was mother for that? I think she has her hands on her just goes kind of stressed. Yes, yes, girls so cool, so you guys need to we need to get back together. Um. Poverty and Amanda Amanda. They

I think they're not connected. They're not connected, but I will say Poverty follows Amanda. Amanda doesn't follow up Poverty of a couple of years ago. They both followed the rees to repolic both. Yeah. Is the is the glue? Yeah? And then recently there was like on the reddits, there was that Poverty actually nominated Amanda for their Survivor Hall of Fame because you could, I guess recently, recently, within the last couple of years, I think Amanda deserves that.

That was an era of Survivor where Amanda was a main character. Oh that was that. That was the golden era. She was the star of China to me, Yes, she was. The way she flopped at the final tribal council, I was like, oh God. And then Micronesia like kind of same thing. Yeah, she really gets gunshot at the travel councils. But she was a start of China, and then Surree was the star of Micronusia. Poverty was the star of

Heroes Filons. Yeah. Well, if I had my druthers, it would have been Amanda wins China Surrey wins Micronesia, Parverty wins Heroes versus Filling. Yeah, why did they do that with Micronesia? By they foxed every over in that way, they knew she would win. But I think they wanted I think they wanted it to be more of a compensation, but not you mean like because I don't mean like, yeah, why they from I think the producers. I think the

producers knew it would be a Surrey landslide. But okay, good, good, I think. But I also think the producers were produced were also edited wanted to edit a Parverty win. Yeah, I remember because I watched Micronesia actually kind of late, and I already knew a lot of the things that happened, and I went I remember going and watching me like this is going to be a carnation for poverty, and I remember being like, oh no, this is a Surree season.

Like the last minute, yeah, I think that they all played probably equally good games and then it was just yeah. I think that I think the producers sort of made a decision about that, because otherwise why would they have done that. You're watching current? I am catching up. I just started. I think that this season is actually getting really bored. Okay, here's the thing. Jeff Probes needs to calm down and he needs to get but we also love him for that. I don't love him for that.

I want to tell him to his face one day, I hope we'll hear it. I want to say, you know, you're ruining Survivor by the way, like that exactly that you know, by the way, I don't know if you carry you're ruining the show, you're ruining the game. The whole thing needs to take like a beta blocker's. First of all, go back to basics, go back to thirty nine days, which they definitely won't like four years Survivor Australia's fifty days. No, it's better for it no more

starting with three tribes of like four people. It's like, that's not interesting or cool. I just think they're very clearly trying to save money. It's I get over a build a bridge and get ever at. I know, but like that's why, that's why twenty six days and there's so many fucking twists, Like they think that's what makes

it interesting. It's not. And I would also say that it's almost like the Survivor cast members now are like watching Potomac Housewives too much and taking all because they're all so safe and concerned about just like I don't know there's happening. Yeah. So basically, Pat, this has been a wonderful episode, and we want to thank you. I want to thank you. We want to thank you for coming. The readers are so happy. I hope I gave anything you need to. Yeah, you know what a feeling. I

know the feeling, but that feeling. Guess why. I was actually thinking the other day of how nervous I used to get before. I don't think Sony ear shows. I remember like like the culture were being so nervous, not the vibes were a little bit off that. Well, it's because it was compelling. One could no one could decide whether or not we were having fun or really competing on different sides of that. And I think that there

was a flaw. Unfortunately, feelings were hurt and really I could tell I could see in some people's eyes that they were up. I just end up goeling like I was like, I'm gonna be bad. But like I was called, Danny Dunley, are sworn atything I did? Didn't you do? Kind of a twist in the game, like I was brought back into the I was released back into the game, and we love you, and we and every episode with the song nothing I've made it. Look, why did you