"Cable Queen" (w/ Naomi Ekperigin)

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we get to spend time. And also, I hope not of Catherine's friends are listening to this, because she might not like those friends. But you know what, she's brave enough to say that she doesn't like that anyway, who needs friends? You have us Last Culture rests, rate us, review us, subscribe to us. Baby, come on on Apple Podcast and let's get us back on that chart. Honey, Now let's get into the show. Look may oh, I see you? Why and look over there? How is that culture? Yes? Goodness,

let ding dong last culture Esta is calling. I feel the thickness in the air of the culture that is surrounding us. Wow. See you took a deep ass breath before we went in here, and I think it's because the air is very thick with culture. And I was like, is he having trouble breathing. No, it's merely because the air is so thick with the air is viscous starling. Yeah, I mean, think about this. We've had in the last

a presidential candidate emerged. Okay, we'll talk about that. I mean, I think we will talk about it, because you know, what the nation is talking about and what an interesting, like fascinating. We'll talk about this. We'll talk We're going to talk about the fact that this is even that we're even talking about it and we haven't even said

yet the name. But here's the deal. There's been a lot of culture and we are in the thick of award season right now, Honey, I actually watched the screeners today. I'm excited to talk about it. I did my SAG Awards voting today. She's a sad girl now. And this one I did not pay my initiation famously, Yes, and you know who else didn't pay her initiation. She paid her initiation fees, but she had not paid her due

to pay the dues. But you know what, I can't think of someone who's paid more dues in their room. This person has climbed the Mountain of Culture and now sits a top the peak and looks down and she feels the thunder because and I can't imagine the mountain. I can't imagine how thick the area is up there on the top of the mountain. Famously, you know, being from Denver, right, But um, you know as you without you two, as you go up the and so it gets thicker as you go down more into the swamps

of Florida. But um, it gets thinner in the on the mountaintop where our guest resides. Because she just won't accept all this just drivel. No, No, that's not something that we do that level. Let's talk about but obviously her credit is not accepting the drivel. But let's talk about the real credits that you can see here, watch feel let's go and enjoy honey. Alright, So first I want to say, to see this person live in the flesh, will you be there? Yes? Okay, I didn't know she's

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And speaking of the app, I um paid three dollars for the HD episode of her half Hours, so that maybe she stays, maybe she saw thirties or six. I was gonna say sixty cents. Oh my god, you guys, let time. I have no idea. Let's waste no more time. Please welcome our guest with great fanfare. Naomi again, us is lit, is what I'm saying. Yes, I don't like a lot of podcasts. Don't do this. My fiance host too, and I like them not Snap Impression beginnings. Bless him,

that's his plug by my baby. I'm done. Um you guys, you know you know we throw around the phrase give life for someone to birth you what it is for someone to be an emotional plus center and that last culture east does I mean ding don't? Yes, you said you said it. I felt chilled showed up to the door with the fresh bag pie. That is how I feel about this. I am too happy. Honestly, we are so happy. And we've been trying to get you for

quite some time. We don't We've been getting specific tweets and little social media granules of no. Yeah, the fans will tweet and they'll singular fan. Imagine if there was one fan that just had all these yeah, well you know they're out there. Um, but specifically recently we got someone hitting us up and saying, you must get Naomi on because she is culture. Which is that sets big to live up to? Is culture? Is culture? You know who? They've only said that about one other person, and who

is that? That's the new for the next president? Okay, it's that? Yeah, I mean okay, so let's check in. Um, we've had quite the cycle with this. Everybody just the collective, everyone's wearing tenor of this is first everyone just you know, of course loving beautifully accepted, appreciated the speech, and then it sort of grew out and extrapolated into president. We so lonely and were already like, Mama, please, we're starved for it. That's what it is. Starved for elocution, Yes,

for that gravitas. Yeah. I was like, is it that we wanted to be president? Or are we just shocked? That's that a leadership type got up there and gave you something good at all. And that's how to take away from it. But you know right well, no, my thing. I will say this. I am for your listeners who don't know. Um. Sometimes you know my voiceover agent says I can do both. I am black. We're so ragid. The good thing is your urban and general market general.

Thank you. But I will say this, I don't believe I should be president. I believe we need to get over back on TV Sunday nights at five. Okay, we need to gather around her like a hearth and hear some common sense. Yes, I just to bring this back to podcasts, which you mentioned in which this is currently on this program. Um, I think I you know, you know what, the Super Soul Sundays. It's not enough. I need the visual, the all the sensory things of Oprah

just coming out. Yeah, you know what I mean, Like we need again, we need her back where everyone can watch her. Because the only thing I think it might be decent about Oprah's president, because I feel like she's the only person in fifth year a white ladies will get behind. That's what I'm saying. And I genuinely think that. I don't know, but maybe if Oprah is on every

day in the sixteen election, maybe turns out different. Maybe maybe if these white women have some of a certain age, like in the middle of the country, have someone telling them some something besides like someone they trust, maybe something happens. I don't know, she got him to read, like she got a lot of people to read, so I feel like anything is possible. But it doesn't mean she no, well no, it's that thing. And I'm sure you guys

have read this similar sort of statement. That's like, the second she like makes a tough policy decision, she's no longer Oprah as we know her. Right now, She's gone. She's gone. It's like that Oprah has like has gone away, like we've we've exercised that person. Well, I think those same women who we say love Oprah too the moment she tried her over present, they like who you know what I'm saying, that would be very absolutely honestly, I read a tweet like I've been doing because there's been

a lot to read tweets about. But somebody said, I like Oprah, I don't know if we should give her the right to kill people from the sky. It's like, yeah, that pretty much sums it up. But we gave it to crazy crazy that's true. I mean we didn't, wait, didn't, but you know, but he does have the power. The thing is, I think it's like when you start thinking in terms of like, well, if this person can win, what can we put together to um to get them with back, It's like you can't think in terms of

reactions like that. You have to think in terms of who is going to be a good president. And there are options. I know, it seems like there's gonna be a dearth a little bit on the Democratic side, or there's not that one figure really who's uniting everyone just yet. I don't think that means Oprah winfree right. I think it is though. I think what people felt was what

it is to have somebody talk and be electrified. Yes, And I think you just haven't had that in a little while, and by a little a year and a half, two years. Where you hear somebody talking, you're like, I'm gonna go exercise. We're talking like I'm gonna do a brisk walk, I'm gonna cut out that Brady. I love it. She gets me wanting to be better, right, And I don't think we've heard that. And that's why exactly, well exactly and she's like, I'm trying to raise my kids.

Leave me a hot minute, and then it's so funny, what happened the last time we saw a quality speech at all? Must be president? Put her on. Yeah, we are starved, you all right, We are lonely and starves, so Loveland starved, starved, and we demand certain things from certain people just for doing something that like has a

cursory just impact on like this huge office. And so this is not to say that she can't have a political impact or a political future already doesn't think in a lot of ways she already has a political impact. Well especially I think more so what she had her show on right, which you want to I want her back on television. I want to be able to see her every day four because I do think whether she wants it or not, she can move a needle should she choose to, yes, And it just feels like what

else we got? But it doesn't mean you are meant to lead the free world. And I also think though she necessary won't to you know what I'm saying, Stimman got enough dealing with I said at the Golden gold I was like, so good to see Standman. Now, it was good to see him. It was great to see him out. It's rare. It's very rare. Were you. Let's talk about the globes in general for a second. When the show started and there were two empty as seats next to Oprah, I was like, who the fuck is

not there? And who was it? Ms strikes herself showing up late to the ultimate gig showing up late? And god, what was she presented the final director? She no, she didn't present director. She presented best was the best picture drama?

All right? She had something to say about the best Director, which was so surprised because I normally think of her sobs and so when she said something, I was like, okay, I was like, I was like, I was like, it took me a minute, you know what, I mean to take her in And I was like, she is sharp Harvard, she is. She's politically minded, she has lots of opinions.

I think that she kind of like withdraws from the whole scene every four or five years, and then when she does come back, she is the biggest movie store in the world. Like when Black Swan came out and she was winning her Oscar, there was nobody bigger, right, And then you saw her go away, right, and now it's like she's back arrived. She got on Instagram. She's on Insta. She's on Insta. I'll follow up. She's on instant now. There are no baby, it's all times up

right now. It's all times up right now. And he to work, yes, And and you're getting that like you're seeing her very present. Um, I know she's going to be um appearing on in the media in the next few weeks. That's a hint, but like, well, she's well, Natalie Apartman will make a public appearance between the line. She's got a big movie coming out. What do celebrities

do when they have big movies coming out? Right? But I didn't say, um so, but you know, to see her kind of like we hold on, Sorry, what's her movie? It's the movie with the where they're all in the woods and she's like, have you seen the trailer for this movie? Portman and all the women? I don't remember. I don't know who else is in it. I don't

want to guess because I'll be so wrong. But it's basically they pay like a team of scientists and they go to this like kind of like I don't know if it's another planet or like a part of the world that's like fucked up, but they try to like, um, I don't know, they're wearing cargo shorts in there and like they're in the woods. Just search Nicole, Search Natalie Portman film, Fucked Up Planet, cargo shorts, apartment, cargo shorts Planet. There's a picture when we take a short break. We'll

get to the picture. But there's a picture of her like looking in a white crocodile's mouth, you know what I'm talking. Yeah, But she's got this big movie coming out, and so it just so happens that, you know, I think she's very passionate about this cause and she's back out there doing it on Instagram, shaking it up at the Golden Globe. Have always loved her. I've always loved you knew, but also understood the best seek you know, yeah,

accepted all of it, the whole, every contour of Natalie Portman. See, I don't know. I've never thought of her eyes best seek. I've always thought of her as classy, classic, interesting, interesting. You know what, Sometimes I see a white woman and I shut down right, and you know that's not me. You know, listeners, you have to emit your faults. You

have to emit are those incredibly bustick? Missed your ads that she's in, Like any anyone who's in like a perfume mad You're it's a little bit of an iron like even it doesn't matter how fierce they're like Charlie Starren in those do your ads like it doesn't get fiercer than that, But you're like, the bitch is making a check for a perfume? Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you know what I mean. But then you know what they say the actresses when they get to that level,

they have one of two options. They can choose to like do brands and like you know, go the sort of like fashion for Igrance Lane, or they can do the shitty sellout movies. Right, So you can either do you know, like what for example, like a big news star like Lupete and Nyongo, like not someone you're going to see in the rom coms? So how does she make her movie being a fashion and make her money being a fashion icon? Right? Right? Right? And I mean decision.

She's a walking fit model, you know. I mean like like part of Lupete I think was it was the combination of the performance, coupled with the fact that when you saw her at every awards show perfection, she was

right exactly. So you need her everywhere right, You need her everywhere right, and then that helps the next thing to come in, you know, truly a designer's dream because when you when she there was also no one on the carpet looking like her, of course, so basically you had it imprinted in your mind because you there were those probably like four or five moments where you step out there during during awards season and you really make a point, and I think she wore a bunch of

really different looks, and then her Oscar's look was like the culmination. Was that like light blue? God, yeah, hellenic? Yes, yes, Afro helenic, Afro, hellnic honestly, O U peta And how do we gonna get one the globes? What do we think? So are we into awards? That have been seeing the movies and what's your awards? You know, I've gotten some of my screeners the writer's guild, you know, and I'm trying to get up to speed. But I also I don't watch them all, you know, so many of them.

It's also such a Oscar Bait Awards. Bait is almost always heavy, and so you gotta be in this mood where you kind of want to just be down. Yeah you know, um, and I think when you are, you know, when their actresses actors and actresses and you're like Francis McDormand and Meryl Dreep and Tommy's was like, Okay, I

know what you do. So I'm not necessarily when I go into the performance, I almost take it for granted, right, you know, you know that person is going to give you everything everything, So then to me, then the folkus becomes okay, well you're putting all that into what story? Right, And so I don't know, there's very few things that really spoke to me. That doesn't mean that wasn't good. It wasn't good, but I wasn't like, oh my god,

that makes it. Usually if I walk out something good, it's like it makes me an act, it makes me, it makes me want to be in it, right, And there wasn't m much the game. I'll tell you today, I watched my screener for the Florida Project. Heartbreaking at the end and yet not easy to watch, and not because it was like violent or anything. It was just long and sad and you're you're sitting in the reality. Very well done movie. Of course, I did vote for Mr Dafoe when I voted for which I did today.

You gotta be defriend to defend defend Because also I was looking at the list and I was like, what do you Harrison and Sam Rockwell, I don't really care about that movie, um Steve Carrell and Battle of the Sexes? I was like, did you see about All the Sexes? Yeah? Fine, fine, fine, right, Like it didn't I don't know, it didn't tell that story in a fun cool way. It wasn't, you know.

I And again, especially when you're dealing with something historical, right, you know, if you know what you're what the story is before going in, right, you're a quarter of the way there, you're a quarter the way there, but you know, but you you put in such a good way. It's like, Okay, I know what these actors are about, what these performances are going to be in some general sense, what is going to be the emotional context and the story. And

that's that's great. Yeah, I love that. And the thing with it too is like today I was on the website and there's the options to the things you can stream, because now they don't always send out the davities, you can stream them. And I was like, are people going to watch downsizing down too? What did you think of downsizing? Okay, so I watched the screener, you know, and periodically we're watching the screener, it will pop up in the bottom

for your consideration in all categories. And I was insulted when I saw that. I said, I barely consider you a damn movie. Well, it's truly hard. After the first hour, I was baffled. I was shook. I said, how you know, as I am starting to learn this business a little bit, even a small scale, you see how many people have to sign off on something. Oh yeah, let alone where you can like a major motion picture, Who oh who money? Who hell? Who? Ransom? What the funk was the second

half of that movie? Man? That was hard. For the first half, I thought, okay, this could continue to be fun. And I thought it started off. I was like, you know, this is a really fun idea. It seems like some one read the first half of the script and said yeah, I like it, and then didn't read the second half. I heard, you know, it's the same guy who did Sideways.

He wanted to make that movie immediately after Sideways, and for a very people were like no, And I wonder if it was in bringing in like Damon, you know, people who had names to make it get made. But to me, it was such a waste of a premise, and like, I love side stuff, I love a lot of you know, give me something like that and then just build out that world that can be fun to watch. It doesn't have to be um, it doesn't have to be like very deep, right, It could be a cool

way to see something. And I thought they wasted the whole premise was also when you have you know, if you tell me the draw or of this movie is Matt Damon, he better not be the worst damn character in the movie. Hello, you don't tell me to come watch Matt Dame. The thing is already Like I was fully there. I was there out of sex screening. And the point they were even having it was because the

only thing that's nominated is hung Chow. She doesn't show up until halfway through, and even that, like it was just like I can't necessarily care about this character because I don't care about the rest of the movie. Now because it's just changed so much. I wanted you just want to care and sometimes, like quote unquote bad movies that never get in the Oscar conversation, I'm like, I

really cared about that ship and no one talked about it. Well, I think the whole thing is because you're forced to see everything through the eyes of this Matt Damon character that is aimless, kind of not really grounded, certainly not compelling, not an interesting guy. So when he cares about Hung Chow, we're supposed to care about Hung Chad, but because we don't care about him, we don't care about wo he cares about. So you're kind of like, okay, I guess

you kind of like her. And then it was like, I don't know who that dialect coach was. That was tough. They made her do an accent that was cartoony. It was distracting and it was insulting, and it was so you know, had the golden globes, I said when they were doing that in during the opening monologue, and they had the different actors, she was the only one who knailed her line. She was only Jessica chas Stain was

just like just lost. She's been flubbing lines. Well, she doesn't know what the jokes are, right like she I think, you know, some many people like I want to be funny, and then they do it and it's like, maybe, girl, she's been No Hong hongng delivered. She delivered and it was but to see that, right, and all I'd ever seen of her was downsizing and big little lies. Oh god, yeah, everyone forgets because she was just a very like much

in the Greek chorus. But she was fully And I'm wondering if they'll beef up her part in the second season of Big Little Lives right, because she very likely will if the precursors are to be believed, will learn an Oscar nomination. Who knows. But you're not just gonna put her in the back now that with an Oscar, right, you absolutely can. Yeah, but I think it'll be interesting. But something like that, I was like, looking at it, I'm like, how fair is this? Because I voted today

and didn't see everything. Yeah, I mean, I just don't have any interest in seeing a lot of this ship. Well that's what's dark shadows. No, that movie with Gary Omen when he plays with the Penny during the during the Oscars I mean the Golden globes and he was talking. I was like the room was dead dead, well honestly, right, it was supposed to end after Opra, like you don't have Oprah and then everyone else has to try and talk. It's I kind of I don't care about your journey. Yeah.

The fact that there was a moment of more stimulation after Oprah, which was Natalie saying that was already too much down the room. If God had as started a humor in the room would have exploded right there. It was just like, honestly, like that should have been the end of the whole evening. And then also when Barbara came out and did her speech about not enough women directors, I was like, okay, but the thing is, we just heard it and like it's been it's been set at

the highest. Well when when Salma came up to it was like, you know, she tried to start at times, but it's like, oh, too late, Like I feel like this should happen at the beginning, and then and then over closed it and then you can had like a little you know because lord no she has come out and says sometimes but it was just like again that timing that compared to this energy level. We were at the flow of the show that I don't think you

can do the producer's credit. I don't think you can predict necessarily the flow of something like the Golden Globe. I don't know. I think you know, if you've give an open an award and she don't say something, you know gonna take it. I said, open took us a church, she took us to school, she took us at the post office so we could write a let her home.

You know what I'm saying. She was doing it all speech though, is so amazing because she starts off like confessional, like this is this is a little anecdote from my life, and it ends on like literally like calling upon thunder. It was it was almost it was almost like heroic. It was a new you know. I love when she bellows, Okay, you have Oprah bellows, I am here, Yes, just raised and I and it was so and it was so silly.

But literally I was like, she's doing this off the top of her head, right like she thought about it, but you know she wasn't. You know, some people shaking with their papers up there and Hooper has got everything and it just all comes together. I was like, you literally like brought up Rosa parts, a forgotten woman who recently passed away and was sexually assaulted. You know, she kept it and Sydney patching and everything I think who

was assaulted. You know, she brought up. She brought in Reesy and Rosa and Sydney and it was just kind of like you again, we wentn't like we went through history right, and she was personal. I'm obsessed with Oprah. I saw Oprah speak at and this is like when I was into her because when I was little, I obviously I need the show, but it wasn't for me. I wasn't watching it. I knew who she was and she was great. But it was when I went to

a friends graduation at Howard University. Oh please, I'm gonna put this out here. Please don't come after me. Lally, I went to a friends graduation at Howard University was historically black college, and Oprah was their graduations. And Oprah said, I never forgot you know, she was, you know, historically black college. Everybody you know, mostly mostly black, and she was saying, she was like, you know, when I was growing up, you know, I was raised my grandmother all

she wanted from me. She said her biggest dream from me was that I had good white people that whoever she worked for would treat her well basically, you know, and she's like, my grandmother never lived to see my success. She never lived to see that I did get good white people, good white people working for me. Howard University

rupt dead dead. She read the room and it was like and it was literally you know, but what she was saying to everybody, she was like basically what she was saying this graduate, she was like, your crown has been paid for. Wear it. And I wasn't graduating, and I was like, I'm taking it. I'm going out. And that was for me the moment when I was like

I'm here for up forever. And it was a different way you saw her speak, right, because she wouldn't say good white people working for me in front of a non and also not now because the media would get

ahole difference exact problem exactly. This is probably ten years ago, and it was like, you know, for her to be up there and it was just kind of like who she was and how it was like that for me, you know, because I think what I had always seen up until then, was that polished that the general market, that general, general market, up general and it was so you know to see to see that and sort of be like how she literally just like brought it down

and everyone was just like throwing up their caps, you know what I mean. It was like literally a different world to point out we're all going to do it. It's it's so crazy. What I've always associated her with is warmth. Like that's I guess if I had one word that I could ascribe to her like that, I feel since I was a child watching her, like her being on in the house and being present in the you know the culture, if you will, it's warmth. She

just exudes. You just know, like mentioned the hugs. You know, the hugs are good. You know, the hugs are bomb ass hugs. Definitely, that's someone who she in the eighth grade. And Denver is in many ways, you know what, No, it's Denver's right now, but back and back in the

day and when I was in the eighth grade. This is two thousand and three, will say, And Denver is just a culturally um devoid place and just like people wouldn't come like you wouldn't see celebrities, but Oprah is in town, and the entire in Denver and in the entire city shut down. People were just talking about it.

A town. My mom's over. My mom My mom was standing in line for five hours to see if to just get a glimpse of Opra from across like the window, and like everyone is just like sucking, just going crazy over Oprah. And then and that was like, that was the moment moment for me that I was like, oh, oh yeah, and I'm reading East Eviden because she told

me to like all this, all this stuff. And then but then the moment that Oprah clicked for me was was just her Barbara Walter's interview after after she had just announced Oh and she like that moment where she cries, tears up and talks about game or talks about like her like going into a car dealership and buying two cars because she was like, because hello, I could like she was like yeah, oh, I was like, oh yeah, you were this, you were this amazing, amazing like just

just a success or anyway. Um, but yeah, the mother I never had, the sister, the best friend everyone deserves. I don't know a better but I don't know a better person. So good so good. It's so good. Anyway, what do we think results of the evening? Have we all seen Ladybird? We have not a fan, didn't. I'm anna this is a safe space. Certainly, certainly I have not seen Ladybird yet, and I will tell you that again. It wasn't a story that I was like, I have

to see. So one part about it that I did want to see, and um was you know, the mother daughter relationship, because says that's got something. I'm like, I feel like that might speak to my soul. But I hadn't. I mean, I know she's great. I'm gonna say I loved her, Sirsha right. She was in that action movie where she's like a little feral killer. Do you remember that She's like a little kid, but she was like she was a ferreal killer in the Lovely Fair Hannah

Hannah and I love just since Hannah. I think the girl's amazing. I call her baby and hih just in her like you're absolutely, I think she's wonderful. It was more like the um Like again, Greta Garwood doesn't speak to me, and I say, doesn't speak to me. That's like my my reference is like, it's not no one has to be bad, right, but it's more like, okay, you're quirky, I don't do it right. But I went into the movie with those same never cared with those

same sort of preconceived things. And then just the way that the mother daughter relationship is portrayed, I felt very very very truthful and not maybe not universal, but I related to it with not even my mother but my dad. That's me and my dad. And then the second the movie, and when I walked out the theater, I called him up. I was like, and I told him, I was like,

I just saw a really nice movie. It was about like a daughter and a mother, but it reminded me of us and blah blah blah, and I just want to say I love you, and I don't know, I mean, I'm not nice. A movie that drove you to take an action like that, and I feel like, and that's like the little Anna that everyone has now with lady birds my parents. As soon as the movie, well, I know a lot of people were like, oh, I Like, I was like, I cried, you know what I mean?

Like I felt like a lot of white women were telling me about them crying um, and I no longer mad at that because initially white women told me they cried at Wonder Woman, and I was like, okay. And then I was literally on a check flight watching Wonder Woman, and I was like running across the battlefield. It was it was that first well, that was a moment, but it was that first fight of all the women, and

I was like okay. And then there were there were black women there too as well, right, and that in in that group, and so I was like okay, because I think that's why I tend to be a little less enthused. I wouldn't. I mean, maybe I resistant, but some of them like just because you know, when the women don't look like me, it doesn't feel aspirational, it doesn't feel relatable. It doesn't you know, when a woman is held to a high standard but then she's like

blonde and blue eyed. It that's part of it, right, so so much of it. I'd be like, I'm like, I was like, I get it, but I don't feel empowered. And yet when I saw a wonder Woman, even though you know, she's like ISRAELI I was like, okay, girls, yeah, I'm about to CrossFit. I was it. Yeah, And so that's I like okay, well, like maybe I see Lady Burton, I feel it. Maybe I feel it. That's the thing that is really actually that's a great point. It's I

have a way. I don't know if you feel this, but it's been like that with me with romance movies too, Like you never ever, ever, ever, ever, ever ever see a homosexual love affair on screen. And so I think every time I see some sort of love story, which is yeah, I always leave like emotional, but not for the reason where I felt like thank God they got together.

It's always like a little sad because it's like, man, like I wish that like that was out there right and that and you know, for I guess POC, that must feel like sucking everything. Well, there's so much writing on this movie coming out crazy rich Asians with constant Wu and like Aquafine and like every actor, Ronnie changing like everybody, and like like they're texting groups that I'm in with me and like all these people that are

just like crazy rich ation panic groups. Being like this movie has to do well, and right, I probably won't, but it has to put out there that it's going to do well, and I well, you know, I think another way, and this is maybe a more cynical way, but you have to remember that no one expects much from it, right, so it's gonna do better. It's like, yeah, I didn't think we won't do ship. We're coming out the streets, you know, the same We're like, we spent

a dollar fit in a movie. That's because you didn't think we was gonna come out for it. I think, even more profoundly than that get Out, which I actually took. I voted for them for the ensemble and I voted for him for lead actor. I think because I was. I watched it last night for the first time. Now, God, tell me about journey. Welcome to my journey, my journey. I've been in this place for so long. Yeah, yeah, he's been waiting for me to watch it. Now. Here's

why I haven't watched it. I really can't watch scary movies. Like even last night. I actually had to take a break in the middle because it got to be like a little The break was um right, Actually it was towards the end spoiler er forget Out. It's when it becomes clear, when it becomes clear that he is going to be operated on. OK. I had to take a short break and that was actually towards the end of them, there was like half an hour laft so um. But

I thought it was unbelievable. And I will say this something because I was thinking about, you know, acting while I was watching it, and I was thinking to myself because I had the screener because of Sag. It is so hard to lead a horror film. You have to believably have so many things revealed to you, so much shock and horror and hannock and intense despair. That is not easy. And the acting challenges in that movie, not only just for him but across the everybody, for everybody,

for everyone, were so high. I talked to Rachel when about it today, like it was such an ask of all those actors and what a complicated script. Well that's the thing, right, because it's not just because like some horror movies where you know, the first ten seconds you kill a girl and then maybe thirty minutes later someone else dies and your watch people get picked off. You had that opening that showed you, okay, this is what

our stakes are. But then it is a very slow bird where literally it is like so no one's doing anything crazy, but it's gotta be a little menssing. Yes, that's hardy that like the whole time, it's almost impossible to do because like at any point you could just be like really like this this bitch that's the main character, is not like letting on that like there's something we're

going on. And the thing with this movie is it's such it's so slow, these the peel back of something weird and up is going on, and the and the family. It's Bradley Winford, Katherine Keener and Alison Williams. They play it's so real and grounded. Honestly, White Bait is the world role. Alison she was, but she was perfect really like I was like, this is it. That's the best thing she's ever done. And I actually I'm a fan

of hers on Girls. I think that I think that she's little bit more aware than everyone thinks she is. But this I was. I was actually surprised she's not in the words conversation a little bit more because the

movie doesn't work without that performance. It doesn't work. And I'm telling you that is like that's like a deck of cards that movie, because one thing is weird and it almost got weird with the brother he was he was the guy to me who yeah, literally immediately like, that's probably the point where if I'm him, If I have one tiny qualm with the movie, it's like, I leave when the brother tries to find me. Yea, when the crazy eyed white brother who looks who looks crazy,

let's terrifying. I wondered about that cast, and I was like, maybe we cast someone who we can believe he's having Alison Williams equivalent. Yes, he's having a moment because what's his name? I forget. He's in Three Billboards. He's also in Florida Project, and in Florida he was in this movie today to um, I just we're mentioning Lady Burton get Out, And those are the only two movies this

year in the Awards. I think it's a good year, but those really are the only two movies for me that I'm like inspired to like write or to exactly. I mean, I loved, love, loved get Out. It was you know, I wanted to win the Globes only because I wanted to push it into the Oscars conversation. I just wanted to be in that like I wanted to be such a contender. But at the same time. It is not a musical comedy, so it wasn't going to

you know what I really wanted. And I'm hoping because you know, on the w J side, I gave him screenplay. I gave it like I was like, I was coming for whatever. I will nominate it for everything what I can do, because it is, you know, again, to be a first film to get that tone to you know, um, you know something he said, um, he was like, I

didn't move. He's like, I did a movie that white people saw where there was not a single good white person, right, because that's a big deal because you can have that bad, but there's always usually a white savior or somebody who's like,

I'll help you. And it was he made this movie where they were all bad and it was still like everyone came Like I saw the movie on Harlem and it was like hacked and mixed and loud and so funny and perfect, and it was like that was you know that he did that, you know what I mean, like the first time I wasn't annoyed by Harlem gentrification. Be here together. That's why that I think that movie should win Best Picture because I think when you talk about Best Picture at the end of the year. It

should say something about the time. It should say something about the year. And I think that watching Ladybird win Best Musical Comedy, it said something about that moment. I think Get Out says something about all of it, like that's what I want to see. And I think that Actually, if it's in drama, I think it beats three Billboards. I hope we can like yeah, yes, it's the category and that categorization that sucks it up, because I'm sure Universal thought we can't throw this in drama. They won't

take it seriously. I think they would have because it had nominations. It's showing up everywhere. Jordan people like tweeted like the day that like it's a documentary. He was like, this is a documentary, which I also tweeted, I mean, groop mind and it's so funny too. Yeah, it's like there's no good white person because Alison Williams on I think it was like on seminary she was like, it's

crazy because people will come up to set fires. People will come up to me and be like, okay, but your character was like like it was good though, like she loved him and just no, she's an evil, disgusting human being, Like it's hard to understand. Yeah not Yeah, it's like no, and it's all the way and it's only white people who go up to her and say, we're just like trying to find some iyota of Like it's like you did care? What movie did you watch?

That you can't even like that's literally only on you be like I thought it was you know, I could tell you really loved him. It's like the whole bitch that's entirely on you. It says a lot about it, so so so on you. Okay, so we're gonna take a really quick break and then we we'll be right

back with Naomi. Yes, okay, we're back with Naomi. We were just talking over the break about how genre Matt and Matt and Naomi are both sort of for telling of are for telling this sort of new trend that movies will ketch up to TV where TV is really thriving in genre might now and genre is being rewarded. I just think we were talking about this. You know, the biggest show on television is Game of Thrones. You gotta imagine if we saw the numbers that Stranger Things

will be right behind that. You know, big little lies, huge in its market, probably dominated like things like this Handmaid's Tale even you know what I mean, these these shows that are getting hoisted up these period period pieces too, right, I mean, well, well the thing is about period pieces is that's that's like I think what classically the awards system and the studio system has always thought, here's your awards,

bade his is the only option. But I think that audiences, because of the rise of television right now, we're saying we like genre stuff. Genre stuff can be good. I mean, you know, a lot of people are I don't agree with this, but a lot of people want to see Wonder Woman get sneak into one of the eight or nine Best Picture slots. You know. I think when The Dark Knight didn't sneak in there for Best Picture, people

were like, that was the movie of the year. And I think what we're seeing is with the downfall of Harvey Weinstein, I think and the kind of waking up of Hollywood, which I think has to happen or it's gonna fucking crumble to what people want is it's it's

not what it used to be. Like, I think we we don't want to be just given these four or five options for what are the prestige things at the end of the year, because even think about it, like the things that are catching on that people didn't really think would catch on are like Titania, you know, like it's we What what are these period films that are I mean, Phantom Thread, I guess Dark Shodows, Darkest Hour. To me, it's dark Shadow. It's gonna be dark Shadow

for me. But you know, and you know, I just think we gotta get more creative. And I think we might see that with the fall of Weinstein and the usher ring into the new era. I hope we see a big, bold statement we're going to embrace get Out. I hope get out with I'm putting it into the universe. Yeah,

and then get Out Manifest, Manifest. I'm just word that since it didn't like clear hurdles quote unquote the globes, it's not gonna like but it was just not in the categories where it's gonna win, which is why I was really kind of annoyed. I was like, you put it in a category that even the director says it shouldn't be right. So I think also two ones. He says that that also kind of gives them the past, you know, and it's like you didn't put it in

a place where I was going to succeed. That's the thing is, I don't you set him up to fail exactly. I think they thought they were helping. I think they thought it's gonna be easier to beat Lady Byrne and Titania then call Me by your Name and three Billboards and Dunkirk. I think they saw dun Kirk and said, get out. Can't compete with dun Kirk. Right, then can compete with right right? Especially again, like it wasn't just here. It also did really outside of the US, you know,

like it did say something. And when you make a movie, especially again as unassuming as you know, cheaply made. I think four or five million dollars movie language. Half of them had to go to Bradley Whitford. It's actually culture number thirty. Bradley Whitford is a box office straw. And you're right, it went to Bradley I hope, but I said, I said, I mean, Bradley Whitford's in town, Okay. I

was so happy to see him. And also kind of white hair on certain white men can Okay, I feel like we could, we could dive into a word season all the day to day. I've been, I've been. I actually wrote a missive today on Facebook about Iton. I'm down for Iton, I'm here for Ion. You see it, Yes, I did. I voted for Margo today A good for you. I think that she delivered the single best acted scene

of the year, which one the makeup. I thought that was the emotional climax of the For me, it was her at the moment she really had me was when she was getting sentenced. That was the kicker. That was something I was like, Okay, she's she's here to stay. She's here to stay. She's so she produced that film, She's here to stay. UM. But we should ask the question, the question, Naomi, which is what was the culture that

made you say cultures? For me? You were in your closet and you saw culture and you said, I don't wear of this for the rest of my life. Itself. Funn You know, I grew up as an only child, and so the two things I did were read and watch TV UM. So it's funny because you know, obviously I listened to Um and her different things. So in some ways we could say Babysitters Club cultures was addicted.

I mean I owned UM. I was a member of the Babysitters Kids Club, like books sent to me to the point where I think I was thirteen, We sent almost a hundred books duplicates to the local library. My mom was like, because I would have the books and then part of the club, I would get the books. And so I had doubles my duplicates and gave them to the local library and like, but that's how many

I had. And just when you know, I'm at home now and like, the books are still there exactly, I will not get Yeah, I'm grown and I'm keeping them. I met Anna and Martin twice. Um, I was afraid in silent both times. I was like literally like because she was she wasn't And it was so funny because you see this picture. It's like literally a plain white one, you know, like she was like literally like she was

in a turtleneck. I had on a horrible puffy jacket and she was just like you know she but she was not this imposing person by me, and she was like I was terrified of her. Um. That was a big thing for me. UM. That was definitely and then I would also say to you know again, watching some much TV, a group on so many Disney Channel shows and like everything as how I knew I wanted to be an actor. A big thing for me was Angela

on Boy Meat's World. Wow, Angela Broken Open. She was Riders Strong's Shawn's girlfriends towards the later season at the end of high school. She was a black girl. She was his girlfriend. And it wonder about who, I asked, being black was the problem. He was the problem. He was immature, and he being such a right or strong about it. He was such a strong rider and that was his that was his girlfriend, and that was huge for me. Honestly, nobody really talks about that. I'm always talking,

always talking about Angelad. It was huge for me. And also write Strong was like the hot one, you know what I mean. I was already like into him anyway, and then he brought home this black woman and then I remember at the time she was looking it up, you know, and be like, who's she was like older than everybody, Like she was like an adult. They were all teens in the universe of the show. You know, It's like, yeah, older, I don't know everything about it. I was like, and it made me feel like maybe

they're space for me. But that was, you know, especially a Disney Channel show, and like they really it was a lot to do, she said, broke it up like Angela and Boime's were al was like, maybe it's time,

you know what, as a love interest. It was huge because they always did the thing where it was like, and there's a black friend, there's a there's a exactly the black guy who wise cracks, you know what I mean, or maybe you've got a nerdy black girlfriend and she's always the one who's like, she's not talking me now exactly.

That was the first she was truly like kind of like a straight man like girlfriend on that show, which again you could there's problems with the archetype of that role, but we had only ever seen white girls play that role and the same kind of white girl to Pango, white girl, a white girl named to Panga, a black girl name Angela. I loved what they were doing. And then in the show, how did Angela come in? Was

she a friend of someone's? And then started day I think she was just knew at school, you know, like I think she kind of came in with the new season the new school here. Yeah, and she was like Angela and Angela like had her had her ship together and writer was kind of a mess and she made him better. You know. Did they go to college and then they meet or was she come to the high school? She was high school? High school? Okay, she was high school, yes,

and it was and they didn't. It was never a thing. There was never a very special she's black episode. Honestly, listeners call me out, um, but I don't remember that being like, it's like, it was never John You're doting a black girl. No one ever said that as far as I saw. And you know what's interesting about those Disney shows is they did come in with a snake

attack sometimes and have like this very special episode. Like I remember there was an episode of Lizie McGuire one time where, um, I forget Miranda had It becomes clear that Miranda has like a problem with food. She's developing an eating disorder, and there's this scene where um, Gordon and Lizzie like kind of confront her and they're like, we care about you and we want to make sure

that you're okay because we know that you're not. And she's kind of like you're right, guys, that's not Everything is okay. And then the episode kind of ends and my dad was like, I like that, I'm gonna show that to my students. My dad was a health teacher. I gonna show that to my students. I like that, what is this show? It's really good? Um, but it was a teaching stool. McGuire was a teacher. But like every other episode was like, oh no, my my foothurts.

You know, it's like I'm not I'm not eating disorders. Oh my god. But yeah, I mean I see, I shamefully have to say that I have a Disney Channel blind Spot, thank you wellic No, I'm just saying I

didn't get cable. I had none of it. So then so then because my parents thought they were doing me like a huge service by like they we're limiting the options, but not, what I ended up doing was just watching like lewd ass mad TV, Sketchy right, and like by the time I was nine, was saying it was like quoting like insane, like the Van Komb Lady just saying that crazy things, and I was like, oh, this is

not normal. But I were cable queens, yes, true Cable queen Cable, Queen Cable, Queen Cable, queen always at it all, I had it all. Yeah, I was watching All Your Afraid of the Do okay. See that's that's where it started from me. I couldn't get through it. It was too scary, it was I loved it all, like I read goose Bumps, then the older version of goose Bumps, Fear Street. Yes, like into all of it. I've always

loved her. The first movie I wrote movie probably like thirty pages, but it was in high school, and it was called People Get Dead, and it was meant to be like a funnier, like a cooler version of Scream. But like I always love that stuff. We have to have that, We have to have a full length people people make it even funnier than Scream? Do it? Now? Are you a horror fan? Like? Is that something that I really like it? It's funny though. Now I like

to watch him with people. It's not that I'm afraid, but because horror does have that like cheese effect and it's so fun to kind of comment on. I don't like to watch him by myself. And Drew bu is not a horror fan because for him, he's like, well, I don't get scared, so I don't like it's not doing what it's supposed to do. Like he just doesn't feel it. Is it that he doesn't get scared or that, or is it that like he just just isn't like affected by like eience, I guess the same thing he's not.

He's like because he's kind of like yeah, like he's like, I know it's gonna happen, not obviously exactly, but he's sort of like okay, and he's like, well, I know it's not a real person dying, so you know, I mean, so he doesn't he just like because logic his way out of it, whereas to me it is so real and insane, like it's so I don't really like as much the ones that involve a house where it's like about an all house now talented about in all house.

I like, Um, I like more of the we're living lives and someone has come upon us and decided we must die that you know into like I know what you did last summer, like all of them. Those are fun, Yeah, those are fun. See the ones that get me. The thing is, I'm just very susceptible to a jump scare, which is all those things, my body physically hurts. No,

I get it. I get anxious, But it's funny. I get just as anxious when I'm watching a show like Better Call Soul, where I know it's like, don't go in there because you go say something and they don't know you're lying in and then I get on edge. So it's the same kind of anxiety, which is why I think I'm like, Okay, we'll do for all of them well, because I would rather watch a jump scary thing than like sit through three episodes of Breaking Bad being like want. I had to stop watching Breaking Back

because it was too much. Yeah, maybe there was this I've said this before, but the scene where Gus slits someone's throat in front of them to show them whose boss and that they are his bitch. Like I never saw that and I never will know it was. I had to stop. I was like, Okay, this show is officially too good. Game of Thrones I can barely. I I really can't because of the violence and like the bigness of it, like it just I don't know's it's too much. So you say, are you afraid of the dark?

That maybe made me think maybe that was the Impetus because that ship was really scary. It was terrified. The Tia and Tamara episode. Tell you don't remember the Tia and Tamara episode. Tia and Tamara episode. By the way, I as I was leaving the house, I caught a little bit of the real Maybe it's Tara, it's Tamara and Lonnie Love is on it um and one of the checks from three w But the lady, the ladies

were very emotional about Oprah. They all agree she shouldn't be president, but they were moved and Tamara had a cheerful moment. But it's this is very much a Tamara day because you bring up at your dark and their episode was this and this will sunk with me forever. So Tamara is living her life and she has this best friend and something happens where they go to this pet store and they get a lizard and they bring the lizard home. Now the lizards like a magic lizard.

So the lizard somehow becomes a clone of Tamara. And of course, so Tia, who's this lizard, starts living the life of Tamara and she's evil and the best friend is like, something's weird, I don't know, lizard, she becomes Um the lizard, but Tamara or she gets like locked or something. Tamara is then becomes a person again somehow.

So there's this scene where Tea and Tamara are both in the world, but really there's only one of them, so now they're both out there, and it's this horrifying scene where the best friend sees both of them and she's like freaked out. And it's somehow been established that if you spray one of them with water, they will turn back into the lizard and that will like that, that's the curse. I love it. I love a simple

elemental exactly. And you know they only had like twelve minutes to step the step and the world build in twelve minutes, all this stuff, the lizard, the water, and I remember it to this day. So that's how you know, did it win a Pulitzer Prize? I don't know what do they win for this ship? Fucking peabody Send the peabody over post taste um but fucking So. Then the best friend is like looking from one of them to the other and she's like, it's me, your friend, and

like no, she's like it's me. I know this thing about you, and it's like no, remember this, and like one of them says something that really connects and she sprays the other one with water and that she turns into the lizard. So then they hug and they're like, oh my god, oh my god. Then the last scene in the episode, it was actually Tia going over to the lizard and being like, well, like says, well bite, I was gonna say, like you even I was like,

this isn't that scary? But that's the thing it with you. The fear is in the injustice, especially as a child, right because you want it to all. You want to have the scary and what usually like. But then at the end it's all sorted right, like the evil is defeated in some capacity. Not this that is that will shake you to I'm saying it's existentially terrifying. It's irresponsible for kids to be watching it. What was that? Because I would read goose Bumps at the appropriate age and

be like, this isn't sing scary? Did you genuinely find it scary? And with spear Streets, I never read fear Street. No, it was never really scary because it's funny because when I'm reading something the scary than it's up to my mind to conjure right, how avil or how gross or how whatever something. So I never really took it there. But what I've always liked about that kind of stuff because it's usually this mystery who's doing it? Why are

they're doing it? And that engagement and the same reason why the true crime now and like all my procedurals and stuff, I am distracted enough like it for me is like the closest I can kind of come to being like out of my head, you know, to being like, oh, what's gonna happen here? You know what's gonna happen next? And I think that's what I liked about it. I

wasn't terrified, but I was definitely engrossed. I needed to know it was a portal into some distressing situation that you could just like dip your toe and then and then opt out is whenever you want it, because okay, you know what, and I will say that was very astute. Okay, whatever the you're gonna get that, Copey Bow, come on a Stewart the um uh the TV show with whenever they would do Night of the Living dummy. Those were actually really they're scary. There is I'm terrified like dummies.

The movie I remember I saw you Know What to Do? I saw I was a kid, maybe six years old, seven years old. They took me to see Child's play, not like just took me. It was like we were all everyone's going and it was like bring the kid to no fucking things. They were just like, let's bring Naomi to the the child now terrified for life. And my cousins didn't help because they totally terrified me. My cousin I we even had this toy where you put it like cassette tape in her back and all would talk.

So it's like so my cousin, they go, her name is Susie Scribbles, was like the actual dollar Naomi, you gotta come tame to Susie. I'll go over there and they've recorded Hi, Naomi, I'm Susie. Chucky sister want to play. I hid in the bathroom for no. No, that's terrified because that was irresponsible of them. Evil evil. There's an evil in their spirits and I feel with Chucky like it really shouldn't be scary, but it fucking is. Okay, like it when everyone was like did you see it? Yep? Okay,

see I would rather die than see it. I am on record like when you tell me that the kid's gonna I don't want kids dead. I know, I know, I don't. This hasn't happened a certain honestly, I don't want kids dead. And the lights went out for the listeners at home, the lights went out in the studio. And now I will go hide in the bathroom for hours. That's crazy. Um put they're back. But here's the thing, like, did you do you like this new it? I thought it was fine again knowing what was gonna come, you

know what I mean? Like, so I was more like, oh, that's interesting. I do think clowns are scary. I find the clowns creepy. But there is I just said, dipping your toe. There's something about you know, I get to see this, but I also get to leave many minutes right and go about my business. And that's very I think part of it. It's almost kind of a personal dare to stare in it too long, think of it as think of it as a think. And here's the thing,

here's the weird thing. I'll do anything park ride, I've been skydiving, I've done this, and I will go to Haunted House is I kind of I'm obsessed, but I have the physical ability to run away on that ship, whereas in a movie, I don't know, I feel like it's just it's maybe it's the sound. I don't know what it is. It's probably I didn't go through a horror movie kick when I was like fourteen, like right

after Saw came out and it was like Saw the Grudge. Okay, right prior to that was The Ring Um, the remake of I've talked about this before, but the remake of The Health Have Eyes was truly disturbing. No, because it's actually really fucked. It's because there's like sexual there's like srapes clear from loss, Like this is insane, I mean, and that's what you could get away with. At that time. It was like that was when I was like four fifteen movies and I remember the one movie that came back,

it was like the seventh one in a row. Also remember that movie with Dakota Fanning and Robert de Narrow Hide and Seek. Oh god, yes, fuck that movie they threw Elizabeth Shoo out a window. The one that I was like, I'm never going again was when Michael Keaton was in a low point in his career, and he did the movie White Noise. Remember the movie White Noise. I do remember White Noise, and the scary thing about it was just that White Noise would come on the television.

But that's what I mean. I don't like if it's like we're in a house and some of these creepy like paranormal activity like the house. Yeah, I'm kind of like, I get it. It's like you can make it in a weekend, but it doesn't do What were the circumstances you described? I just the way you ordered that was beautiful. It was we're living, We're going about our lives and someone wants to kill someone comes in and decides that we should die. That's like, I don't know, it's like fun,

it's fun. It's crazy. It's funny. Now, So if you are you and Jubu are hanging out, like what's the genre movie you guys are? Television show? What are you guys going to? It's not horror, it's not horror. He doesn't want to do horror. Sometimes I can try to make him watch it, but then he'll just like play Candy crosh on his phone. Here. That's that's self care to be detached that um we it's funny when we

can never find anything. When we're like, let's just watch something, We'll put on some sort of Netflix stand up specials stand like if it's like if all sales, but then so much of our shows, like Firstance, we're really excited. I was like, Baskets is coming back. I love Baskets. We haven't talked about that show. He looks amazing in the promos on the posters, Louis Anderson, we were gonna say, don't you speak of I know well, and also just him being in the promos where I'm like, yes, because

this show is Mama Baskets. Okay, Mama Baskets is the heart and the soul. That is the character I am most invested in. It's such a weird show. I think it's so interesting that it hasn't gotten like a globe numb because it's weird and the form for some stuff, right, Louization was last season maybe like the very first seas. I forget what it was it was on before. I don't know if it was an Emmy and I think it's something too. Yeah, I'm sure, yeah, but there's something

I'm like Baskets is just so weird. Um, but I love that show. I love you know, Catastrophe is one of my favorites. Um, A lot of like I think, I like, uh, comedies with gravitas. You know what that's you know what I feel like. I feel like I'm shouting into it like a like a like a well or something that's not an expression shouting trying to get that lizard to trying to wait back up to wait

before wait before I forget tamarrow Uh. Tamara shared an amazing stuffing recipe on Thanksgiving and I made it and it was delicious, a delicious stuff savory stuffing with meat, with sausage but also with little bits of apple. It was just savory, was delicious. I just want to say now that we're talking about Samara and I have to say, shout out to sister or sister. It's actually rule number one one culture. Jack is Queen Mary and Jackie apparently

is she loves to block on Twitter for no good reason. Really, she has no time, has no time for your toxicity. Friend of the show, Matt Bellasi, if you're listening, Um, he has a great podcast called Unhappy Hour. He pin his pin tweet is a screenshot of Jackie Jackue Henry's blocking him for no reason. She's like, I don't know what I did, like I love you like Jackie Harry or Jackie Henry Harry Harry Harry. Sorry, um um, but yeah, no,

she's Queen Jackie. She took lines that were not laugh lines and made them laugh lines, like she's the queen of an inflection to like turn something. That's the way she says it. It's not it's literally just a tone like I mean, y'all did y'all see two to seven? So when I said, Mary, were you familiar? I know where it comes from, but I have never seen I know it's for the birthplace of Regina King. Yes, yes, where she was. She was born on the set seven

and her her first role. Um Naomi, I um, I think I just need to ask you, what is it like writing for Andrea? Is it? I mean, miss Martin, Miss Martin, Miss Martin on Great News? Just just just just talk about the show. I mean, like it's well, no, I mean I think it's uh, it was great in general. You know it's obviously I came in on season two, so they already had a little bit of not a little bit a system in place. It was interesting to, um, you know, Andrew is so fucking good, she's the actress.

But at the same time, the style I think is so different that thirty right, that kind of jokey, jokey, super fast paced. It was so interesting because okay, i'll tell you my one Andrew. So there's like one thing where her character cut well, it's more like being on set, like the one time I was on set. So I co wrote episode twelve, and so I was on set doing that episode and her character is like wearing she's

a Chicos jacket because Chicos is her character's life. Um, and she's like trying to get her jacket off, so she's kind of like pumping her shoulders and the line was like, oh no, I think I'm turking And then like on set and then literally she's like, Naomi, we need you, and I was like, what what do you need? What can I do? How can hell? And he goes,

can you show Andrew turking in? It was so my Andrew Martin stories that I had to show oh legend Andrea Martin work, which I need everyone to know that I can't do. So it was more like I was like, I was like more of a booty pop however free you want to be. But it was so crazy, and she was like she was like okay, okay, you know she takes it all seriously right, like she's gonna be like, okay,

how do I do this? And that was like both of you, both of you went above and beyond in that scenario, because that's the situations that were that well, shall we say, foisted upon you by circumstances, circumstance. That's insane, Like I would to be a fly on the wall for that. It was so crazy. But I was like, she's so like cool and down. You know, she's like, okay, I'll do it whatever it is. You know, she's like explained to me at reference or or she'll be like

sounds crazy, like I'm into it. Like she was just so game at all times. Now I have to ask a question, Nicole Richie, that's the question, question Mark. I had no idea she was even an actress. Didn't know it was a thing. Again, apparently everyone tells me she's great on the show. She's wonderful. I'm gonna say something that is you might in advance when I edited out I auditioned for the Nicole Richie is so funny? Why not?

But again no callbacks. It's fine, but no, she is first of all super fucking nice and regular, which I think you never at least me, I never expect whenever someone like grows up in kind of famous life that you just assume like, okay, you're not connected to reality. Super nice, really funny, always nailed it, you know, and also such there's such a for that character. There's such a clear cadence, right, so you can kind of you know,

when it comes to writing that character. It's actually not easy, but kind of easier because you know what her thing is going to be. It's that tone, you know what I mean? Now? Was the performance that she gives us a different than the take that you had on it? Like super different completely? Yeah, I only sent ale Richie. We take a job, we take it hugely. The beauty of acting, that's the beauteo of acting. It's about choices, taking choices, like making choices and what you can bring

as a Nicole Richie. Do you like to audition? I don't like Auditioney Mile like working here. Naomi and Naomi extended a beautiful invitation for pilot season stuff. Next time we're in l A. Hopefully maybe it'll be that's beautiful. I mean I will be put up for the same part. We're hoping it will be quicky, bespectacled, other spectacle, quirky, bespectacled, other types. I get officious and well dressed assistant. And we know what officious and well dressed me. It means gay.

Listeners of last stories, that's it means gay, fastidious. That's a good words. Sassy. And actually someone actually said this to me recently about the words sassy, because I thought like sassy was a word like that gay people could get piste off from being described as and now also like black women being described as sassie. I talked to a white woman recently who was like, I hate the word sassy. I feel like it's meant to target black women. I think it's I mean, white women. I think it's

I think it's I think it's to say overweight. That's so funny. I never thought of sass, but you know what I think it is. I think it's just that everyone universally hates the words sassy, and no one wants to be called sassy. Because I think sassy. We actually threw it in the troubles and I don't think so. Honey, topic, somebody pulled the word sassy, but I think sassy means annoying, like me, it means like too much, right, And I don't think anyone's taking the words sassy. And it's like

I'm a little sassy. No one's exactly. No one's ever self described assassy. No one. If you do get at it, it's like you're not to be trusted. If you describe yourself as sassy. You're gonna steal my identity. Believe it. And imagine, imagine telling a straight man you're sassy. They wouldn't take it well either. They'd be like, what the reason? The reason they wouldn't take it well? Because of all the weight that it carries with like mostly like the

way it's been hurdled at black women. Right. I just think, Yeah, the reason we don't like it, it's the same reason you wouldn't like it. It was the name of a teen magazine then tells you who's sassy. It's literally sassy. I only want to hear it in one way, and it's as the cat that Sally Field plays and homeward bound. Her name is Sassy, and I think it's fine, right, I was gonna say the name of a horse and roys horse only a horse. He has a horse named Sassy.

He rode to the balls on his horse names. You had to follow the whole but the whole cycle, Honney, I did not know he had a horse named Sassy. Everyone that's too. Everyone's tweets that night were like, we hope Sassy is you know, survives or Sassy already got her on account. Sassy got more followers in all of us combined. You know, Sassy's doing well. I hope Sassy is doing well. Sassy's doing great. Is the horse? This is maybe going to offend some sensitive viewers of Lost.

I mean I always do that always because podcasts are visual medium. Is it true, the thing of horses getting made to glue? Yeah? I mean is it? What is it? The hooves? It's like the com well, what does it tell us? Because it's it's mostly like beef and sheep and other animals that are raised for me by process, every part of the animal they used. The hoose that's horrible and like the Elmer's glue cow is like literally because it's like it's no what materials? Why is gelatine?

And marshmallows? Oh as a as this thickening agent. I would say, of course I get the purpose, but I think that we have so much technology and so many advances that you're gonna take a little tree on top of a cocoa and put animal bones in. Gotta be an easier way. I don't think, so, honey, I don't think so. I don't think so honey, Marshmallows that have you know what? This is a perfect segue, and I don't think so honey. Well, this is flown by, this

flown by. I could keep doing this Ford but and here's the thing, here's the real gag is that we have never heard and I don't think so honey from Naomi. I feel that this is what you were made to do. And we've had three live shows. Now now are you in New York now for the Foreseeable Future at seven

pm at at nerd Melts. But this is historic, this is Naomi's first I'm like, I'm like nervous because it's kind of like I don't think so honey about most things, and so it's almost like, what is the thing, Oh, you have your pick. I feel like it's going to be divisive, but I think every good I don't think So Honey should be the ones that get people talking, the ones that people remember. I will say this, Um, we've been fielding a lot of requests lately to come

to California and do it. I don't think So Honey Live show now. I don't know if we're ready to announce anything yet, but I think we are ready to tease that maybe we will be coming to California this summer. And that's all we're gonna say about that. We would love to come out sooner, but maybe Northern California can look forward to us being out there. She's getting more species. Maybe come June July. Okay, Northern California. That's for you, My my people lucked up in Alcatraz. A dog whistle.

That's the scream that I'm just I'm just saying, I love a good tease. I love I love good It's just like I love how you always hear it here first, you know what I'm saying. I love it. It's like it is a it's a whisper campaign. The trades, we beat, the trades to us we break we break things here like you wouldn't believe. Now, I actually want to break from tradition and have Bowen go first. If that's okay, not tradition. I feel like this is pretty common. I

feel like I regularly go first. I feel I regularly go first. Well, um, okay, I have I have a I have a specific one, and I'm all right. So this is Bowen Yanks. I don't think so, honey, and his time will begin now. I don't think so, honey. The highways leading from New York City to New Rochelle, but I had to travail the perilous highways and there were three close calls this morning, Honey. I had a

five am call. Bitch. I was on set. And I get to say this work because I was putting myself out there for the for the arts, for to contribute to entertainments. And I was doing the noble thing of going to set early in the morning and being driven by a van that met me in Union Square at five in the morning. And the driver, God blessed him, Michael. He was great and he was also he was also a p a on set. He drove the best he could,

but the roads were icy and the highways. The sign the signage is trash, honey, So New Rochelle get your municipal board or whatever the fuck to fix this, because this is the lives are at steak. I don't think so, honey. The highways leading to New roach out. That's one minute. You know what, I committed to it. It's specific, No, it was wonderful of it. And then we get a glimpse into your life as an actor who wakes up early, called times, all times, and that's part of my life.

I love it. I love it. Make it manifest, um, But residents of New Rochelle, it's a lovely township. Township. Township is a town, not only ship, lovely hamlet ship. But I want I want real change to be affected. Oprah is inspiring me. I might not have the same power or the same the same audience but the same range, but I can make a change. Okay, I'm sure. Okay, if you're the comptroller of New Rochelle, contact the controller. I bet her name is Sheila. I bet she's I

bet she's powerful, but she's not doing enough. Okay. I hope it's a woman named Daniel. Daniel. Um, oh my god, I have I have um wait, did I just fucking forget it? No? I didn't. I didn't even have it. So because I was rotating between three, I'll tell you that was gonna do. I was gonna do. I don't think so, honey, Dark Shadows, whatever would have been great because you've gotten the title round. I was gonna say,

I don't think so, honey. You have to wake up so early in the morning to watch the Oscar nominations for US, It's okay, And so I've settled on a third one and I'm ready. Okay, So this is Matt Rodgers. I don't think so, honey, and his time starts now, I don't think so, honey. When there's a major nomination announcement and it's so hard to find the fucking full list, honey, why is it so freaking hard to find the pdf with all the nominations? Bitch? How come when I was

voting today for SAG, I had to search. I had to proverbially wade through the waters to find out who was actually nominated for these movies. I went to the SAG website, Honey, Screen Actuals Guild dot com. That is not what it is, but it but it probably is I went there and I literally had to wade through. I couldn't find it. It's so hard. You can't google search SAG nominations because then you get everyone's fucking take. Ever, I don't want to hear fucking uh Laurie Metcalf's reacts

to her fucking Austin Film Critics Award. I want to know who's nominated. Also, I don't think so, honey, when the Screen act is guilt nominations come out and they don't nominate the whole cast Get Out Betty Gabriel does not benefit from them winning if they win. And meanwhile, that is the definition of an ensemble moment. I don't think so, honey. Screen Actress Guild nominations. Why he's hard to find? Why are you so weird? And well, listen,

it's that my I don't think so. Money was one thing, but I am shocked and dismayed to find out that you don't benefit from a cast being nominated at the Screen Actress Guild for the ensemble unless you are on your own title card. Yes, if you share a title carpet someone else. Therefore, in the cast of in the cast of Get Out, Little Roll does not get a nomination and he's a huge part of them. He's the definition of a supporting actor. And Betty Gabriel does not

get a nomination. If they win, they don't win. Her moment in that movie that no no, no, no, no no no, being able, like that's that's what I mean by an athlete, so of an actor, you know what I mean? Like that is crazy, like to having the script silently, she breaks down but says and keeps her tone of voice in one way, that's like fucking crazy. And the fact that I go to the Screen Actress Guild and they get a nomination and this is the

word's body that literally fucking orange. The New Black winds oranges, The New Black wins. Hundreds of people are on stage, but get out. You're not even nominating people who are major turning the script. Yeah, yeah, it's weird, it's bizarre. It's a stupid rule, right, I really quickly, I want to say, because Mike was watching it out my roomment was watching it out last night too, and the part where Betty is in the car with him and wakes up and I didn't realize. But the thing she says

is you ruined my house. Yeah, not not like you killed my family. It was like, oh, like the grandma is such a shitty or something like she doesn't care about her friend the house because you know that she's been like I've had to front as the housekeeper. Like he wasn't not out there chopping the woods were still doing the work. Yeah right, but they had the bodies. Listen, I have the biden to do medial tasks. I mean, I want to do menial tasks. You're right, You're right here.

It's a hole in the script, Jordan. I have bombs more qualms than I thought. But I'm happy I said that. That's a real I don't think so, honey, of my life and you wanted the pdf, honey, okay, great. I don't know. I like I was, you know, I was like preparing emotionally, and then last week we're supposed to meet during the bomb side clone like and so now I'm like, I don't even know what I have today.

We can we can give you. We can give you all the time you need if you wanted to stall a little bit, but I think you will, you will. What would what would you do if you had to stall right now? What would you say? I say, bless your heart. There is not someone I and whom I believe in more than nakes. That's how I feel like I was in since giving her a moment to think, and you've so you've ad now you've now taken focus, and I've put her I've heard putting putting pressure on her.

I think, so honey. I think I haven't. I don't think so honey. I don't think so honey. Her time starts now. I don't think so honey. There being one black woman who's supposed to do everything. Honey. We don't decided Ophs a goddamn mochel, even step Men happy Chi, even Gail paid, and you want her to be president. I don't think so honey. Let her sit down. Okay, we have to stop making it be like if you are a black woman, you gotta get to be a hundred and t and then you got to be everything

for everybody. I don't think so honey. To people who are now saying Oprah Beyonce, I don't think so honey. Okay, you look at a record and be angry your man for cheating that on me. You can deal with some foreign policy. I don't think so honey. Deciding that if you have excellence in one arena, you get excellence in all the arenas. I don't think so honey to not letting more people at the table, Yes, Suny, last three seconds, I'm gonna say, I don't think so honey to y'all

losing y'all. Damn mind Oprah wearing glasses and that's one minute. How doesn't she always wearing glasses? And she goes on Joey. That was one for the books because it was true. It talked about what was happening in the culture, absolutely, but also just expanded broadly beyond that about what the way people think because it's it's always yet another day in America and the black a black woman does all

the work. It's it's just my friend. I will say this though, Um, like it was crazy that the two speeches people have lost their minds about were Michelle Obama and then oh I just like within like two years of each other, and just the expectation that was foisted upon them. Well, it's after merely giving a speech and doing well, which you want to do, Like the goal wasn't to go out there and like perform at a six and throw the speech and be like I don't want I don't want them to want me to run

the thing. I don't want them to because you would think it's like, Okay, I have a degree, I've been on television for over twenty years. I know how to speak and use words. And you actually put them all together, had a couple of good hand motions, and you said, run this word. Let the woman rest, honey, I want to at the end of that, don't make her president. Let her take off her spad. Yes, she looked amazing.

Thing that sucks is now it's like immediately because of the culture that we're in right now, it's like the backlash I started against Oprah. It's like she didn't do any and the fact that sometimes that's what makes me worry about like next election. It's like we're all over here like argument she should be president, she shouldn't be president. You shouldn't think that about her. It becomes such a fight.

And then meanwhile, like the Nazis are storming, and it's kind of like it's like a name, you know what I mean. It's like it's like what do you get out him calling? People were posting this thing of like this headline of like Oprah is actually a neoliberal capitalist machine. And I was like, okay, like, let target on her back in a way that I hate. Now, you know, you have Trump like saying something, Yeah, well he hasn't tweeted about oh, and I think that says something to

her power. Well, he actually has tweeted in the past that he adores Oprah and in fact, one time he even said he would consider her as a running in the nineties when he was still like writing, like joking, like right, So I think he actually maybe hasn't said anything because there is some actual fear there. And I say that not to stoke the flames of everyone who really wants to run for president, because I think it's not We have to also think about what she wants people.

She's a person. She's living a life, dott Have you seen the freaking taco party. That's a full time job right there. It's like, let's get another Legends ball together. Let's put that on the top of the list. The amount of vegetable she picks in one go is picture but she has to hold them up to the cameras, honey, And that is a feat. That's a physical feast. Oh my god. Okay, well that was beautiful. That was amazing.

I mean we hit on the culture. We had on the culture, and this is oh, this is topical culture. This was one of the most topical episodes, one of the best episodes with one of the best guests. And that's how you get when you have a cable queen Cable, queen Cable, Queen's baby, and you remain a cable queen to this day. Naturally, Yes, but she writes for network, right.

But the thing is, I was deciding I just got Verizon five else um, and I was deciding whether I was going to get cable, like big time cable, and I was like, I'm gonna get it. You gotta have it. It's your job. I'm young, I'm interested. You have to be part of culture. You know what I need? Bravo Naturally, do you watch housewives? You know I don't do housewives because did I until last week? No? You and now you're indeed listened to Erika Jane on the way here.

I listen to her music. What is that New York or Beverly Hills. Okay, the houses I watched New York and Beverly Hills, those are the two I think you need. I mean money. Can't Buy Your Class is one of the greatest songs of our time, So like that. I know. Unfortunately it will be some time before new music from the Countess. I know she's going through some man. Yeah, we talked about that last week. I'm full. Listen just

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