"Brownheart Like Braveheart" (w/ Matt & Bowen)

to be very prepared for the heat. I just came from Palm Springs. My brain is cooked. Tell me how how your LDW was such a good l d w um. I spent a lot of time in my favorite locale, the Ace Hotel pool. I was sort of like, you know, vibing, as they say, and I thought, if this was heaven, I would say, period, period. Yes, if this is heaven, honey, install the pearly gates. I don't see them. Boo. Cut

to me with a frozen Paloma salt or tahini rim tropical. Well, we haven't even made the tropical yet, and you know we went to tropical. See me sitting by the pool frozen Paloma salt or Tahini rim, depending on your which one of the binary you want that day, and then sipping with your legs in the damn water watching flops just like flop around the strangers of it, all the characters you meet. If that's Heaven, sign me up for Heaven. Sign me up for Heaven. Subscribe, Subscribe to Heaven. I

I love you what I know. It's a place you love to go. Would you say that you are you know, Ross Matthews level sort of Morganic Michael's level, Palm Springs. I can't claim it as a NIP code yet, but I do know that I will end up at the Tropical bar a completely like other shade other than I am now because of Big in the Sun. At some point, let's say, when I get to like, you know, sixty

sixty six out there, they'll be in the outdoor area. Yeah, yeah, post up in that outdoor area where like, um, all the it's like it's very o c out there, oh speaking which we literally we literally saw Vicky gun Wilson there that one time. Right, I was just gonna say this was before she was like, uh sort of figure to us. But she was really very central in the restaurant. She was sat very visibly. Yeah, she was really living her tropical fantasy. You and I had such opposite weeks,

I would say, in such opposite climbs climates. You know told us about your climb, Miley Cyrush. Well here's here's the climb. Okay, and can we say it's a ruler culture. It's the climate. That's all culture number thirty, it's the climb period. I was working in Iceland and it was one of it was a life changing experience. Okay, So I do have to come out and tell come out now, I have to tell the reader's a story that really deals with shame. Oh my god, you're gonna do this.

I'm gonna do this because I I talked about in therapy. I told you were the one of the first people I told I support this and I want you to go off now, Queen, Okay, Queen, this is truly the honesty zone. It's crossed over into the period. The honesty zone is indefinitely canceled, but every now and then we'll bring it to law sculturistas. Okay. Now, I had a day of work where we started out at a waterfall,

one of the many waterfalls, gorgeous waterfalls in Iceland. Start had a day starting out there, just couldn't believe what I was seeing. I was like, Wow, I'm very lucky to be working period, and lucky to be working in this environment. Wow, what a life we were having one of the best days of your life. Yeah, let's say nothing of the animals that you met along the way. Well, I was going to say. Next stop was the locks and Horse Farm, one of the famous horse farms in Iceland.

Ben Still, it was just there writing one of the Icelandic horses. But a week ago, huge star, huge star director, even huge director and me nominated director. I him best of luck to him at the big show. At the Big show and got to ride an Icelandic course, which it's crazy. It's horse eugenics because the Icelandic horses can't leave No, I'm sorry, No other horses can enter Iceland. And if an Icelandic horse leaves Iceland for any reason,

it cannot come back. I'm sorry. Is this spiritual? It's not spiritual, it's it's I think it's just like, uh, because all the Icelandic courses are purebred horses there between the size of a pony and like a full on mayor. So basically they don't want any with other horses not of Iceland because it could fun. It's for diseases. It's for disease reasons mostly period. But you know, sort of when I say it, it sounds like eugenics and it's it's unfortunate, But I didn't sound like that when you

said it. Most horses, I think horses only have four walks four gates, right, Icelandic horses have a fifth gate walk. They were given a little bit more that God must have spent a little more time on them. They have you. The fifth walk is a trot. It's called a tilt an Icelandic. And I was shown a video of my horse handler riding this horse bare back while holding a

full glass of beer. Picture your favorite beer filled to them, and you're holding it to the side while you're on an Icelandic horse that is galloping at such a steady clip and such at such a steady level way that the that the beer, not a drop of beer, is spilling out. Isn't that amazing? That is so? And so what happened now, I'm telling you Matt, you would have loved this. I'm I'm wrapped right now, and it really is.

You were truly in a different environment than me. You sort of in the mountains with the horses, me in the pool with the palm springs residents like this is a tale of two cities that I've that I've ever ever heard, never heard of, tell of two cities like this like this now, I was having, as you said, one of the best days of my life. And I even told you this. When I did, you reached out to say that when I prefaced the story that I'm about to tell the readers to you, I said, this

was one of the best days of my life. I thought, I'm so lucky to be experiencing these experiences. And then at one point, it's a new deal. They're turning the cameras at the horse farm. Sure, I have a costume on that is five layers, both top and bottom. I have crazy layers. The sound guy that's a crazy rig on me with the wire just sticks the wire behind me. So you know, a sound person will typically put the microphone tape it to your your clothing, around your declate

your neck. I'm just I'm just your show. Biz legend. You're very seasoned in the business, in the ways of set life. I'm aware of where the place. We can just say it like that. We don't have to say too much of this verb between I know where the microsc It's true, I too early to say legend in my career. I think you have to wait a couple of years. Jennifer Lewis herself said that you have the

it factor. We'll get to that later because I have things to say about that episode, because it was truly one of the best, one of the best interviews conversations I've been privileged to listen to more on that la That's not true, Ellen, but continue with your story. Legend. The wire gets looped behind my back and typically you know, they put the mic pack on your waist, clip it to your waist, and again I have layers and layers and layers of clothing on me. I go to my

trailer to relieve, relieve, defecate, take a big show. Can I just pause for one second the fact that relieve and defecate sort of mean the same thing. They feel so different, like I'm stepping away to relieve myself and I'm stepping away to defecate. You're saying the same thing, but the where do you use can change everything, And it's a rule of culture number forty nine. The word word can change change everything. We'll defecate has some more

fricative sounds. Again, it's so freaking like like the cut the foot, like it's just it's the death. It is letting you know something sharp, hard and very real about life is happening. Defecate relief sounds so meditative, sounds so natural. Defecate that's hard. Anyway, continue iconic friend. I go to the bathroom in my trailer, and to take down my pants, I have to sort of move my scarf, move my pancho, take off my pants, take off my thermal leggings underneath business,

take take down my compression guard. Moment. That's sort of like helping me snatch a little bit for camera business, which is which is what you know, what the costume department gave me the movie magic. The wire is still sort of mind you tatally behind me, my running down my back, running down to the waist of the pants, which is at this point on the floor or close

to the floor. I'm not one of those poopers who you know, and some of these people and the most iconic people, let's just say, are the people at public urinals this elementary school style who put down the pants to the ankles. Yeah. I think those are the most iconic people around. And it shows the confidence that only people out there are aspiring to you, and I have

a long way to go to get to that level. Well, and also, bone, you have to understand some people they have to get fully nude to in order to pee or defecate. Sorry everyone for the again found it. Sorry to these men and to these women, and so anyone out there listening. But those icons are wearing rompers, and you can't just do whatever you want. Okay, you can't just do whatever you want. You have to get legends through Jennifer lewis it factor legend? What happened next? I go,

I turn around. Everything looks good. I flushed the toilet. I zip up, I pull up my compressions, my leggings, my pants. Yeah, you're thinking at that point period period, I go, I'm let me just re jigger the wire a little bit and I'm good to go. I have a huge poncho sort of draped over my ass as well. I feel a little tugged behind me as I walk out too set. We're shooting outdoors, mind you, and I'm also in a crazy wig color contacts. I look stupid

for the comedy of the show. Aquafina is North from Queen's a very comedic show. Am I giving too much context? Maybe? Really what happened? I walked back. I walked back to set. There's a bunch of horses all around. Crew people, wonderful Icelandic, union paid crew people, fulfilled lives. They're so these these people have worked one on every set you can think of in Iceland, the Northman Halo, every Nordic noir you

can imagine. They are figures of esteem and respect. Executive producer Anna is saying that she's on the end of her seat. Okay, I'm I'm getting there. I walk right in front of video village and Sacy, the iconic former model who is now our production manager, Polish German beauty, coolest girl on set, at the front of esteem, respect and great beauty is calling. Is making restaurant reservations for the entire casting crew every night at the most exclusive

places in wreck You. Actually, this woman has power. This woman has seen this woman understands Queen's legends, Jason Queen's legend. She's seen it all. She knows he's dying with them. Yeah, she You would think that she has not experienced much shame in her life. Maybe, and maybe that's a production. Maybe maybe I'm assuming too much. She turned, We have not interacted too many times. At this point, I hear

her call out my name. She goes, oh, Bowen, you have um you have a little piece of paper dangling behind you. I go, what? And before I pull up the wire to see to fish up what was caught on it, because I assume it was on my wire. The director peeks out from behind village and he runs. So the director of someone who runs a film a TV set sort of is the leader. They're a figure of esteem and um great pathority authority, and they're they're a figure of respect. And if you look silly in

front of them, that's not great. You are the Jester Flop period, the Jester Flop period and the clown square known as a film set. Our director, the Great Jordan Kim comes out and goes, oh, yeah, what is that? Oh, I fish up the wire. It is a used wad of toilet paper. Full of brown. And when you do stay brown, you do mean your poop. Your poop was all over your my desication. I've never felt everyone should I've never felt more embarrassed in my light. Sister, Yeah,

that makes a lot of sense. Can you imagine the environment? Can you imagine a more humiliating moment? I can't let you hang out here by yourself. So I said to you, if you shared this story, that I would share something as well. No, no, no, no. I had a speedo and I ruined it when I was sick in in in Fire Island. I shared in the speedo and I had to throw it. I threw it over the ledge. I threw it over the blood. You you wait with

your shark man. I did go down and get it and put it in the in the in the garbage, just kidding? Did I? This will be one of the great questions of law school ESA's. Did I go down eventually and pick up the speedo and actually dispose of it or did I just throw it over the allege at Fire Island? It's not giving honesty's own if you're not being Can I say something? No one will ever find out the answer to this question. It will be my great secret. But this is the thing. It's a

secret for you. And know what, you did not have to tell anybody this period. Well, I'm saying, actually, I take it back you. I would have to volunteer this story to someone like me, your best friend, and I don't judge you for it, my girl, your girl, and I would say that I there was no escaping the truth of the matter. There was no escaping the shame of being in front of all your coworkers on a set, on a foreign set, with people that you are you I've only started to get familiar with. There is no

competition at all. Your story is the humiliating moment of a lifetime. I was simply trying to be charitable in my sharings because I feel so sad that you flopped in the Clowns Square, so hard as to be covered in your filth in front of figures of great esteem, respect, beauty, leadership, and talent. Did I mention there were former models on this set? Polish German legends. They had a great fortune of beauty, These people, they had a great fortune of beauty.

Not I, Well, it gets better. I didn't. I don't even think I told you this part. Tell me more about it. I'm mortified, and I raced well. First of all, sweet Jordan, God bless him, a kind effective director. You shouldn't have seen that. But I've known him many years and he's you know, he's he's wonderful. As I run away after realizing what had happened, he says to me, it happens. And I and this is what I said, staring at the ground walking away, I go, no, it doesn't.

And I run back and I run. I scurry back to my trailer and see that there is at least two wads of use toilet paper on the ground in the trap that I had, that that had come off the tail. But my my little wire tail on the way over. And there are teamsters p A s kind of like who have been there all along, who probably have gone, what is that? My girl was set decorating period. I was props department. I was I was giving production design. Yeah,

special effects, special effects, practical things. You were making movies this week. It was movie magic, this movie magic. And I walked back to my trailer and I go, oh my god, I've shot all over this set, and so

I was I could not bring myself to talk. I could not bring myself to talk about it to anyone until the last night where Saucy took us out for drinks, dined, and then at one point I did say to say to Saucy, well, I was telling the story to two other people UM at the bar, and then Saucy was sitting next to me and she had over she was in another conversation, but she overheard me recounting the story, and then Saucy goes, you know what, Bowen, I'm so glad that you're like, you have a sense of humor

about it now, because I was so scared that I had embarrassed you so much by letting you know what was happening. And I said, no, Saucy, you did me such a favor. She goes, I just wanted. She was like, I had to let you know before more people saw. And she I really do think she she changed my life. She is a heroine, I have to say, has stepped forth and really taking her place in the last culture

Stas canon. And it is UM actually our honor to announce that UM Saucy is a winner of the Legend Award, the last culture Stas Legend Award, and she might be nominated for more and the nomine the nomination, the full nomination will be Saucy, the Icelandic production manager who told Bowen he had shipped on his costume. On his costitume. Yeah,

I mean she is a nominee. She is a recipient of the Legend Award, and that does not mean she has won the Legend Award of the Culture Awards, but today she is or was it the Icon Award that we give. There's there's there's the Legend Award, there is the Queen dhom Award, of course, the Queen Him Award. She I think she's up for all those categories. You're right, I think that we already have a nominations leader, but

we can't announce yet, we can't adjust. Around the corner is going to be the last countries those Culture Awards nominations. Just around the corner. It's gonna be a nominate, It's gonna be a category reveal first, and then at a later date we will reveal the nominees. Because there will be new categories and some a remnants of categories from last year. Some remnants just like what Bowen was leaving all around the set. Remnant. Okay, hold on and then

very quickly just to tap up the story. I did also tell Sarah's Reman and Celeste because I'm so embarrassed to know, like I was already text freed with them, already liked to tell people I think I did. I can't. You have to own it. And I texted them I was like, you guys, the worst thing, one of the worst thing that's ever happened in my life, just happened

to me. And they go, what what happened? And then I told them and then Sarah God bless her, said, you know, I was just with a costume designer on on a job and she was like, and she has worked with every single actor you can think of. And she goes to Sarah, every actor period has shot their pants while on the job, and that is I need to believe that in order to survive this. And here's some just if you, if this helps you, here's some actors.

And so when we say that every actor has shopped themselves well on the job, I just wanted to name some actors and they've all shipped themselves. Gina Davis, she shipped herself. Jessica the Great Jessica Chastain has pooped. Um Tom Hanks, Tom Hanks poops, Yes, Angela Landsbury pooped, and she she sometimes would poop in her costume because she's an actor and every actor has done it, Melanie Lynskey, So you're sharonin has been pooping for several years now

in big films, And here's a transition for you. Harry Styles, Chris Pine, Jemma Chan, Florence Pew. They all shot themselves on the set of Don't Worry Darling. Yeah, and Olivia Wild should herself in her acting costume and her regular clothes as a director on the set. Incredible, don't direct So it's not just exclusive to the actors, it's also directors. M wow, yeah, oh yeah, let's talk about We talked about what's been happening at Venice. Did you see their

fucking looks? Because Florence absolutely, she said, I'm showing up for one thing and but you get a moment though that that leg and that shoe she was giving movie star arriving period. Once a year at Venice. Once a year at Venice, there is one person who cements themselves as a legend if they have not already with a with a Valentino ocuture look that it features Ostrich feathers. What we're seeing that was Lady Gaga and that pink

thing that was Valentino. Like that iconic photo of gagat Venice when it was raining just a little and there was just those droplets like reflecting the flash. Oh my god, that's one of the most beautiful photos ever taken. And we also have to say Becca producer Becca has just like chimed in and says also the purple because she showed up looking like, honestly, I would have accepted that

as the as the look. I was like, like, she she literally showed up in that purple just to arrive in Venice pre costume change, and I was like that was the look. I was good with it. Then this I was like, okay, history is made. It inspired me, honest there's like this is the aesthetic. I was like, I am a short legged person and so is Florence and she's making it work. Let's let's just say, let's just pause for one second to say, Hugiota, it's piggioto huge,

it's down. And here's something about piggioto. Piggiota is a is a star, is an actress? Is a talent and is in her prime. And this is what I was thinking when I was driving from Palm Springs today. It required much of my thought. I think we have a generation of these young girls, these movie stars who are turning fashion. Zenda gives it. Florence just gave it. Fucking Timmy Shallamy gives it. Like my my girl showed up. The young girl showed up backless, completely backless. You gotta

give it up. I it was lot of Flynn Boyle. Yeah, Countess Luian obviously, I have to say. But you know how we've been saying for so long, like there are no movie stars anymore, there were no real movie stars anymore. I kind of am starting to disagree with that. Yeah, I mean I just named three, and then you think about Tom Holland, like all these people are good, they're hot, they're really talented, they're you know, they're different than what

usually gets shoved down your throat. Zenda in particular, like she to me, I think I was thinking about how she has like a one name, like she has a mononym, and I'm like, yeah, because when you can give legend, give legend legend, and that's a royal culture. Number One hundred. If you can give legend, give legend, legend, legend. Venice is interesting. I'm decided to see the Whale. That got a great reception. It was very, very fun to see

Brendan Fraser get emotional. It was a huge Brendan Frasier week for me. Actually, really, did you watch a lot of people are watching the People? Are people watch The Mummy this week? A lot? Girl? The Mummy Too was on television when we were getting ready one night in Palm Springs and I realized I haven't sat and watched this movie and sometime Rachel Weiss that was a moment in screen history when she rocked that buld eye and she was snatched. Rachel Vice is such a star. And

Mummy Too was the moment. And that film is incredibly scary and dark. There was a moment where a Mummy sucks the life out of another guy. I was really upset and distressed by it. That's really scary. It was so scary. Bough And I think the Mummy is due for some sort of grand return in the culture. Here's something. They just refurbished the attraction in Orlando. Okay, so the Mummy ride in Orlando right now? And things are absolutely popping off in Orlando. Do you hear about this epic universe?

Have I told you about the epic universe? You've told me every time I take the readers that there's a classic monsters land with Frankenstein Dracula. Yes, all that, And

then there's been more leaked about it. And this is the rumor that the like diagetic of it like is that it's now the year two and it's like a museum land and the Frankenstein Castle is now run by his great great great granddaughter Victoria Frankenstein, who apparently is a legend and invites you into the Frankenstein manner for an experience with classic monsters, like in a zoo setting and of course in great universal rides and attractions fashion.

Something period goes period wrong period and monsters are unleashed. Let me tell you something right now, as I point in your face, get into it. Do you don't have to tell me. I'm already there. I'm into it already there. Remember that Lone Star song that was iconic? Wow, I love this premise. Victoria Victoria Frankenstein, who I want to be every who more? Who who should play her? This is what I said, okay, who should play? Everyone, readers

get together with us. We need to start dream fancasting. Victoria Frankens. Victoria Frankenstein. She runs a manner and she says, come here, I have something to show you. Who is it who plays her? Icon Florence. You might have missed this earlier when you were talking about Piggioto saying she's a star, she's an actress. Digiotagia. Sorry did goodaidiodaidioda? That sounds like that. That's literally a hook Piggioda, my fucking as period short Piggioto as a bop Piggiotaga. That is

actually really, really, really something we should think about. We should think about that. Piggioto is a short haired queen, much like Missflow Florence showing up in these looks amazing. It's Florence. Pugioto down Florence. That's it. She's taking flight. I choose you, as they have always iconically said, I choose you. Talk about that as a moment to talk about what it feels like as a POKEM wont to be chosen by the master. I choose you. Oh my god,

it's an iconic emotion. Three words monosyllabic words in the culture forever so seated with this, I p you can never say I choose you in a setting without evoking ash catch him Sorry, Sarah Barrella is sorry. Sarah. By the way, we love that profile for The New Yorker. Oh my god. And so I've now seen her in it, and I have to tell you, congratulations to the entire cast who just left, because this is a perfect show. Sarah Brellis, where is the tony on her mantle? We

should consider putting it there. I listened to after sleeping on it for so long, finally listened to the now like seven year old album of What's Inside, like her singing all the waitress songs. When he sees Me, when he sees when he sees Me is truly when she takes it down me octave again at the end, when she goes won't st again, when she when she's like

wailed the whole thing. I loved it. When he sees me in the cast recording, it's a great It stands out as a character, you know, sort of like number right, like it's Canna a Glenn, It's it's like and she's in She did a great job. With it did a great job. But then to hear Sarah just give it like a precision, do you know what I mean? Is and and have it still works so well as a song, I go wow, like I almost like this better? Dare I say? I mean they're her songs, you know what

I mean? I think that she's always going to be connected to them in a way. I do think, like in terms of she used to be mine, I think like Jesse Mueller really sang the ship out of that song.

But I will also say on the duet, um you matter to me, Sarah just is so you know what I mean, Like her sound, the way she acts, like the way she tells a story is just so simple and present that like it's perfect for um Moments in the woods, and like it deserves to go down as like one of the best interpretations of that because she's just so thoughtful with every note and every word. She's thoughtful,

and literally that's what that song is. It's there's thoughts, thoughts, it's thoughts of thoughts of thoughts, thoughts, thought, and so Sarah is able to just be pinpoint accurate with like the way she places where you're feeling things and it's just it was a treat and a treasure, and like, honestly, that is the type of thing you want to see when you go like to see life theater period and Moments in the Woods is a perfect example of especially in Sarah's take on it, of the Jennifer Lewis thing

of like I don't cry, I make them cry, Like I'm not crying as the character. I'm I'm just I'm doing I'm making choices in order to try and evoke something from the audience, and it works. I was being facetious earlier when you were like that was an incredible interview because you were placing a lot of it on me, but but it really was. She was such like, the book is great. You finished the book is incredible. I

finished the book so so so good. She's just like, not only is she so incredibly entertaining to speak to, it's just like it's just always is are such a ride, but also like she really is smart and she's seen a lot, like this story about being conned by this

guy that she fell in love with. I mean, she's just done and seen so much and so like every single time, I'm like like in the same vicinity as her like you walk away like feeling like, well, she's just a force of major and reading the book, I kept reminding myself for being reminded, that's Patricia, and I love that for You is so grounded in something that like you don't really get from Jennifer Lewis, the persona the person who writes like you know, her life, Patricia

is something completely different. And I'm sure but and yeah, I'm sure that Jennifer still like finds her way in somehow, but it's so not like Jennifer Lewis. You know what's funny is that when we were doing it on set, they definitely had the option to make it Jennifer Lewis, Like I will say, she definitely gave you some takes that were like really grand and like, you know a lot of power in the way that um, j Didnifer expresses it, which is an action where so like every

another take she would really throw one away. And I've noticed that's what they used every single time. They really like gave like such a like the moments where she has so much heft are like that's so powerful, and they really they it was just really well found in the Yeah, I should just say that. I was very sad to miss that interview. But as I told you on a textbook with Jolkin Boster, you just got back from Burning Man, a transformative experience for him. Um, I

did not mind. I did not mind listening to the two of you talked this one on one. It was so lovely to listen to. I was so I was just beaming the whole time for both of you. I was like, Matt has found a mentor and appear and a friend in this amazing person. And she you can tell she respects the hell out of you. It's it's it's very nice. It's very nice and honestly like I had just Um, I don't know, it's like she she

but she does. She is onto something when she says when she said that things some people just have a little bit more like. I was thinking about that with Sarah when I was watching. I'm like, some people just have a little bit more like it's and yeah, it's soho. I just like think, you know, we're we're gonna see if she gives it on Wednesday, is miss Leah? Wow? That is right? That is within forty eight hours away. Yeah,

I'm very excited. I was saying to someone that it's not like a full insurance policy to have Leah be Fanny. It could still be bad. I mean, of course it could. Anything could be better any time time. That's culture. Anything could be bad at any time any time. You know. What's funny but all this don't worry abouting stuff is it's like the reviews have come out and some people are like it's not that great, Like you're like, oh, wow, all that went until like something that now is not

that great. I haven't we haven't seen it. But the reviews are sort of like lukewarm on it, and I will still go through it, I'm so, But like it is funny that like sometimes like all this stuff goes into stuff that like could be bad at any time. It really could for all of the chatter around it, for all of the marketing dollars that go into it. Sometimes it's just like most of the time I would say even you're just like was it was it worth it?

And yeah? And then you think like, but would would people have been talking about this movie if it didn't like, you know, have all these things. Maybe they wouldn't. Maybe it's a good thing. And this brings us to an interesting question is all press good press? Is it better to be talking about this all press is not good press? No, I did? I really disagree with that. It depends on the value assessment of like good in service to a

goal or something. If the goal is to like talk about it, then yes, I think that's what people mean when they say that. But I'm like, it doesn't it's very hollow and not that it doesn't leave you feeling good after, you know, even to feel yeah, right, yeah,

at least we don't uncomfortable. Just no, I'm just saying that you hate to feel like uncomfortable around something like That's probably the thing you want to feel the least when you go see something like especially like when you go see some someone perform live and it seems like they're really nervous or like that there's an ickor on the project, like it is distracting totally totally, and with Funny Girl, I'm just excited period to see it, and uh,

that's it. But it's but but but what I'm saying is like, it's not a guarantee that Leah Michelle will like save Broadway just by nature of being in the show. And then I I had heard too that like back in the Glee days when they would go on tour, she would sing I think the first season, the first year they did this, she would say don't wait on My parade. And she only did it like twice because after both times it was like, this is too much on her voice. So I wonder, what's going to happen

with this with this iteration of like her singing this song. Interesting, it's so funny that like you bring that song up in particular, and also Jennifer mentioned that song like last week she mentioned out being in such a moment because last night, like Barbara Streisan's Don't Ran on My Parade actually came on at Quads, which is great Palm Springs bar where they show all of these like iconic videos and everyone just sort of like points at the screen

and screams um. But they did play don't run out My Parade by Barbara, and it really is such a shred from so many different perspectives, like she's so present on screen and such a star, and she sounds unbelievable and the shots are great and the narratives moving, and it's just a really great movie moment. And then you remember, like yeah, like someone else is gonna have to do it now, and that Barbara think still does creep on in.

I mean, but at least you know she's going to be able to sing it, and at least we're seeing her on the second damn day she does it, so if she runs out of gas in the tank, it won't have been in our performance. Yeah. Well, that's what I'm saying, Like I kind of wish we were saying and and I don't I don't mean to say that, like I don't appreciate you taking me to see the show. I'm well, I'm saying that I might see it again like a month later when she doesn't have the knee

jack the Broadway jack Jack. Yeah, before she can see any damn reviews. It's gonna be really interesting to see what the crowd with the blak theater critics say about her. I'll be really interested. We'll be seeing it the day after reviews come out. Yeah, because that's and that's also like huge for the show to like to have it. This is what I'm saying. It's like the Funny Girl Press that was not good pressed. But I think that

show is gonna sell tickets. They have, But again that funny girl press, even as it bleeds into the Leah of it all. I'm like, we're not going in with great energy, even like the Leah can't read stuff, You're like can't reading thing. I just don't think it's that funny. Like I just think like Millie Bobby Brown, like that mime of her being like, hey, y'all have to hit some facets with my car, Like that to me was at least funny because it was so stupid, like Leah

Michelle can't read. It's like I get that, like people are dragging Jamilla Jamil because like she like this is a blest and it's like Jamila stop, but also like it is sort of a blest, and also it's just not that funny, like she can read, Like it just doesn't make me laugh. Bobby. The difference between the Millie thing and the lead thing though that Millie being Millie was very very very shaken by that, and it's still

like you cannot. I think she like was doing interviews in tears, being like this is such a cruel thing. But whereas with at least it's funny, whereas with Lea Michelle can'try and she's just like, no, read. It's sad, like why are they doing that? And it's just like, yeah, she's obviously gonna read. But the Leah thing. The funny thing about the Leah thing to me is that in that New Yorker piece, she's like, why are people saying that I can't read? I would show She goes, I

would show up to the gleece that every day. I would know my lines. I can read. And you're like that that's something that you would say he didn't know how to read. That's funny response moment. Yeah, the joke itself is like fine, whatever, um, but her response to it, because she's Leah Michelle and you kind of are like, what a fucking idiot she is? I mean like that is the that's the fun part to me. Yeah, It's like it's like, just sing yourself and be like, Hi,

I'm Matt and I'm not lying about that. It's like, yeah, She's like, what do they mean I can't read? I've read so many books. Here's three books I have read. That's okay, Mama, slow it down, reader, readerlow it down reader. It's interesting. I don't I don't. I don't feel bad about calling her an idiot on this podcast. She's not a reader, so she's she won't she won't listen. I wanted to talk about very quickly. Do we want to talk about this Leo thing real quick? What Leo thing?

The that he broke up with this girl like days after her twenty five birthday, and that this is the pattern that he dates women until they turned and then he dumps them. Here's my take on that. It's just like, okay, then, like girls, if you know this, then you know this. He's just this kind of guy. Don't date him. What's to me is this? So this latest girl, Camilla maroone, she weirdly her mom I've read this today. Her mom dated al Pacino, So something's going on there. But the

family of star Fuckers, that's funny. But I period, there's like a show in there or something. But star Fuckers started Shorny Weaver and Jennifer love hewittt Yes, gag. It's it was like Heartbreakers with the same cast. Amazing. She posted something on her Instagram like a year or two ago, a picture of Humphrey Bogart and Lauren bicaal who with the caption a love like this now mind you. The two of them had a twenty five year age difference.

Camilla and Leo have a twenty three year age difference, and it's like, oh, ship, like you've been like pilled into thinking that like this kind of May December thing is like amazing or asked or like good or that like classic which whatever, And this is not to say and I think everyone's being very clear in the discourse whatever of it all that like age differences in these

relationships are not inherently bad. But the thing that is troublesome is that there's a pattern and Leo and maybe that does mean something is maybe morally tricky about like

a man dating a younger woman. But I think and Katie with Ashcraft wrote this in Jezebel Our our good friend Katie A. She was saying that this is actually a good thing because now we can just make fun of that model of older men dating younger women or who who exploit or who like fall into a pattern of exclusively dating younger women at like a very young age, where you're like, wait, this is like now you have like a pop cultural reference to them and be like, oh,

he's just like doing the Leo thing. It's sad, you know. Yeah, the Leo thing is often things that I find are it's just kind of interesting how he does a movie and like, you know, it's the Oscars, you know what I mean, Like it's it's the big thing. It's Leo

the movie Star. And then him when he's not being Leo the movie Star is literally in like a bad T shirt, a shitty hat, like on a huge yacht, like just a two big of a of an expense like and and obviously not great for whatever the body of water it's in with these young young, young young models that are then like completely replaceable. But yet when he shows up and he he clocks in and he sleeps in a bear or something for like the Oscar,

everyone's like, god damn, the great movie star. And it is sort of like he might be like the last one and ben fff, like I think like gets to make you know, he he makes a lot of like transitions between prestige and trash throughout the years, and people

seem to accept him back. But it's true, like the male movie stars do get treated with a degree of like I'll let him do it, which is like, uh, we've tossed away so many of these women because they like because of whatever, and yeah, their tip popped out, they had work done God forbid because of the oppressive patriarchy.

Blah blah blah. But like, you know, it just feels like it never like I think that Bradley Cooper could show up at the Oscars with with poopy coming out of his pants and people would be like, well, Mama, he did a stars Born. He's a classic movie star and he does it all. Got couldn't got covered in poop. If God can covered in poop, it better be by her own curtains. It would be curtains for Gaga. I think that even that would be a bridge too far

for our lady Gaga. Honey, and me even telling the story to the public about my own poop journey, that might be it for me. Okay, it might be curtains for bo It's fine. I had a good run. Really, you have had a good run. You've been able to do amazing work I have. I have, Um, what do you have anything else to talk about? I have one more thing to talk about. I mean, what is the

topic of it you are going to bring up? I was just gonna bring up I'm bringing some negative stories to the chat, but this one concerns our former guests and another legend, Marion Morris. Yes, I think she is really doing it right period period. She's really like taking these narratives that are being like foisted upon her and she's just like, Nope, I'm gonna like actually win out in this way. She Maren is funny, she's a and we and we knew this, but Marin's she's got jokes.

She Marin gets it. And for basically anyone that doesn't know out there that's listening any of these readers, she basically is just getting like really ripped to shreds by like the demons like Tucker Carlson and Fox News because she basically called transphobia what it is and said that anyone has a place listening to country music at her shows, etcetera, because she dared call out someone's transphobia. Is Brittany Alden, Yes, Jason's flop wife, just to flop in the clown square.

She might be nominated next year. Um, but this is this is this really made me laugh? Was that? Um? She? First of all, Brittany tweeted, Uh, she was the one who tweeted like that, I want to thank my parents for not changing my gender when I was a tomboy. And then I love this, I love this girly life. Brown heart emoji, brown heart emogi brown Heart. I think I think she's she's part of the poopy club. Um. And then I think brown Heart is the title of

autar one word like brave Heart. And then Marc brown Heart like brave Heart. That's the title about. Yeah, And then mayor and tweeted, um, it's so easy to not be scot Bag. And then she says, sell your clippings and zip it, Insurrection Barbie. I think that's a really good. Wow, Insurrection Barbie, Barbie, sell your clippings and zip it. You know what's crazy about insurrection Barbie. People would buy her. The insurrectionists would buy her, and they would have Insurrection

Barby like in their homes. Their kids would be playing with Insurrection Barbie. That's where America is at. There's so many homes that would buy insurrection Barbirection Barbie, just a militant Barbie intent on taking down democracy would fly off the shelves. It's gonna be huge this Christmas. An insurrectionist homes. You think you think Marry made a mistake. No, I think she's bringing Insurrection Barbie is below. I think, um it is a funny. I don't know, sketch Lauren. I

think Insurrection Barbie is kind of kind of hilarious. And I would even like if Marion Morris came and cameot as Insurrection Barbie. But also that would make her need to dress up like an insurrectionist, and who really wants to do that? Maybe some of the new cast members on of snl UM keep an eye out for um that announcement soon. And but anyway, no, I think that she's um playing it online and in life and probably live on concert because the woman's voice is incredible. She's

a great performer, and I'm seeing her in October. Oh my god, where's she playing the damn Bowl? That'll be so good, Maren. I blasted daties Mercedes minutes before we started this recording. What a song. I will never stop saying it. I just have to say to the bones, oh the bones it's about did you see Marin has been actually saying she's been posting a little bit about this, but she auditioned for Wicked on Broadway. I got a

call back for Glinda for Alphabet for Alphaba. Yeah, yeah, that feels good, and I was like, I would buy a ticket to this. Define gravity what a song? But no, no, no, of course, but I'm saying to define gravity. I meant to finish the sentence define gravity by merritt Ala Maren would be so so good, it would be incredible. Anything else you want to bring up? Mama? What I think it's time for? I don't think so high, Okay, Mama, I think it's time. Indeed, do you have something? I

have something weird. I have something kind of weird too. I think this is this is one of the weirder

whacko episodes, and I think that what It's okay. Sometimes get a little weird, a little whack o, get in touch with your kind of cookie side, you know what I mean, Especially like as we get into fall, it's gonna become you know, a little bit darker, a little bit colder, Like you can try some things out, like in the privacy of your home, like getting a little weird and cookie, trying that new hairstyle, putting on that makeup. You know what I'm saying, Like maybe, like you know,

just like just get a little weird. You know, you think you're gonna have a little weird moment this, I might get a little weird this fall, Like, I think I might try something different, you know, maybe do a little What about a little ear piercing for me? Oh? And I think you're going to pierce the ear that not many people expect the left ear? Which one is the gay ear? The gay ear? I think is the right ear? So you think it's kind of queer for me to pierce the not gay ear. I finish either ear?

Question either ear, it's queer. Okay, that's a rule of culture. That's what umbers that. That's really either ear, it's queer. I have a good I think. Okay, this is Matt Rodgers. I don't think so many as time starts now, I don't think so. Honey. There's never been a sunscreen that won't sing you in the eyes. Why have we had shark tank for so many years and no one has gone on with the invention. It's sunscreen, but it can

get in your eye and doesn't sting. For me, this is the most obvious invention anyone could possibly think of, and yet here we are, in the year of our Lord, no one's even thought of this. Yet every sunscreen you put on your damn face. And let me tell you people readers out there, I hope you're protecting your son in these times of great heat, because if you step outside, it's like a demon heat. And please be protecting yourself with SPF. It's different for everyone. But get some on

your skin now. If you don't, I don't think so, honey. Back to your eyes singing and sunscreen sliding sweating down into your face. Suddenly you're unable to see. I don't think so, honey, and then the pain sets in. It is pain I'm like you've ever felt. And it is because no one has come with the invention, brought it to Barbara brought it to the sharks and said, sharks, are you willing to a down with me? No? I don't think so, honey. What a shame. That's the one

minute that was beautiful. Now what kind of screen are you using that would stick you and your like? Are you spraying it on? Are you? I'll tell you right now that I put Super Group sunscreen on my face. Have you heard of this? No relationship with there's different kinds of supergroops on Supergroup sunscreens, which which one? You know? Which one you're using? Is the It's heavy white, so I think you can probably look into They make a Matt sunscreen and which feels very aproposed. Oh I just

got it. I just got and that one kind of goes on. I'm sorry. I I normally I don't do puns. But it's but it's a secret power that you'll reveal later in your career, you know what I mean, Because right now you can still do so much types of comedy. But later when when when you go into your pun era in like ten years, people are not going to see that coming. That would be so cool. Comedians should have like eras. More eras are absolutely I'm like, not not in like the Chappelle way, like oh he's in

his like transphobia era. I feel like there should be like I'm in my clownary era, I'm in my comedia era, I'm in my pun air, you know, like not should have more era like like you know what I mean, Like we need huge, massive reinventions for comedians, we kind of do. I want Amy Schumer to come out next comedy album with a short blue bob and the theme is like deconstruction in space, like very neo futurist, you know what I mean. Like That's why I want from

Schumer next go around, next press cycle. I want Schumer to basically do a Julio and a Julio Torres impression. Yeah, I want lesbian Alley Wong with no hair like Seed O'Connor. It's all hair based and which is which is what are Let's just be real. Errors are Eras are just hair. Arrows are just hair. Especially really culture number ninety two. Eras are just like pink has never gone through another era either, because our hair has always been the damn

same blonde pink it's been it's been blonde mostly. It's been blonde more than it's been painted. You know when you said this is a very interesting gay who's on first? Because you were like blonde, and I was like pink, pink, and so then you were like blonde. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Pink is blond, blond, pink, pink, blonde, it's gay who's on first? It would be a hugely successful bit in the vaudeville. And this is what I'm saying. We like I want I want fucking like bo Burnham

to have a vaudeville era. Yeah, this is what I want. Okay um I have when that's a little weird. As I've said, you keep saying it's so weird and bowen, I just want to tell you something. I've seen a lot of really weird off and so for your I don't think still, honey, to be truly weird, it's gonna take a lot. Yeah, because I've seen like turtle swim, I've seen like whales give birth weird stuff and it's

time strucks now, I don't think so, honey. The term double fisting sometimes just sometimes it's just holding two drinks. It's not like someone you know, taking two drinks to the head and that's why they need to hold two drinks at the same time. It's also co opting the kink community. Hello. Also, unless you're Edward forty hands in it, it's not really what you think it is when you go, oh,

you're double fisting. It's always like anytime someone says, oh, you're double fisting, it's it's in that tone of like oh, someone's like gotten a haircut. It's it's in that like delivery that is bothersome to me. I have not double fisted in a while. No one said that to me, but his watch and Potomac and then Candice says it to Gazelle and I was like, don't do that, Just say you're holding two drinks. Sometimes you're holding two drinks for any other reason than to second double fisting. This

is a bad term. It's giving two ten, it's giving college for me, and we don't need it in the culture. And that's one minute. I think that something is going on here. And as someone that has newly become obsessed with therapy, I'm going to therapize you. You are uncomfortable with the word fisting. You are you like that I'm saying, I'm saying it shouldn't be used in this context. I

love that. Examine that because words matter. And that's not really an answer to the question why don't you think people should be saying double fisting and they should say something else, like I'm holding two drinks when it's just sort of is it because of fisting the word because the term double fisting carries with it this like pizzazz and flare. When people use it, they're like bile fisting and you're like, don't do that. I'm just holding two drinks.

It's not don't editorialize me. And how do you how when when if someone were to say to you, you're double fisting, what's your fear about? How you'd be so fear? This is not a fear, I go, it's it's a gripe. I go, no, I'm just holding two drinks, sir. So you think that double fisting shouldn't exist at all as something anyone ever says it? Just I don't know what

it's supposed to do. Like if someone is if someone if someone is Edward forty handsing, which I have not seen since college, either I would go, well, that person is doing Edward forty hands. You don't what about this? Does it? What about this is not clicking? You don't think that when someone says to you you're double fisting, that you're not taking it as an accusation. Then maybe you have an issue to examine on your hands. Hey, you're double fisting. I definitely don't have an issue. You're

being garcel to me right now, to my Erica. By the way, can we just talk about how rotten this season is? I I'm over the season. This is a bad season of h I just have to say, like, the first of all, I guess the fact that it's all moved online and like off the show. I hate lame, and I just think like you obviously need like something to change at that point, just because so much of the narrative is like not what's actually happening in the show.

And then every now and then they'll be like an iconic moment or one of the one of the women does something funny. But like this Diana thing the other day with Sutton, Like the way that all those women just sat there while Sutton just cried and wept while Diana is laughing like a gleefully calling her a cunt. Yeah, that was wild, and that none of them really said anything besides Garcela, and I was just like, you can

just feel it getting ugly dark in a way. And I will say that it's not necessarily like when it's dark you don't like watching it, but when it becomes like dark and also like inactive and not not fun static yet static darkness and hearing an Erica Jane's laugh, I'm sorry. That little cackle is just nails on a fucking chalkboard. It's the worst sound. Here's what I really need. I need Crystal to say something to Erica Jane about the ear rings, and I need her to not back down,

like if she's gonna now bring up the fact. But but but I need Crystal to do that, or maybe it's just not the show for her, but like she needs to come hard. If if she's gonna take on this Erica Jane plotline about the Seven Earrings, she better not back down to get afraid of Erica when Erica lashes out, because you can handle her, you dwarf her like you have actual money, your husband is great, you have a family like like this, don't be scared of Erica.

Would be scared of Erica. No one should be scared of Erica. She's one of the most pitiful people in the public. I I mean it, I end, but Crystal too. I'm like, none of these people are giving the give. We need to be given the give, okay, and we love Garcella, but Garcella will often just sit there when something happens to go that's not right, and it's just like, oh, then then I don't know, yeah, of course that's not right. And then get up in there. But get in there,

make something happen. Get up in there. And this is why I need Potomac back a sap And unfortunately, like midnights. It's not coming out until mid October. And and you and I tend to seem to have a disagreement about the Salt Lake City season three trailer. I go, uh, I love the season two trailer was a masterpiece in trailers. I love the season three trailer. I mean when Heather revealed her black guy, I was like, absolutely, who did it? That's we already have a who done it on our hands.

And that's because Salt Lake is and will always be, first and foremost a crime thriller. It's salt Lake City is a I'm I'm the thriller. I just think the Black Eye might be a big, big nothing, might be a big burger of nothing, as we call it nothing burger. All I know is we did see in the footage Heather absolutely toss Whitney. Heather and Whitney. That is, if that friendship goes, you go, what else is happening? I

just I will. These are women of great esteem, great respect, great beauty, great talent, and great fortune and great trauma fortune. They have a great fortune, these women on great fortunes. So to see them in conflict is really troubling. It says end of days to me. It says it's giving, it's giving. End of days to period period. Potomac needs to come back. As I've said, it's the best vibes of any city. The women look absolutely gorgeous in that photo. Love,

Oh my goodness, I need these women. I'm actually excited for Mia to come back in you know what, let's see. I'm not upset about Mia and and Big Daddy either. What's it? What's big Daddy whatever? I don't I don't know what his name is. Um, but Mia gave us some iconic moments. And in the last season, like she has a big heart, Like I don't just heart she has. She said she has a beautiful heart. She has and I've I've met your hell and she has a beautiful heart,

beautiful heart. And like I was a dancer wearing gowns at a place that served lops suran sticking lobster. It was a five star restaurant. It was a five star restaurant. We serve stake a mobster, and I did wear a gown. I was not a stripper. Cut to two episodes before I was a stripper. Yeah, no, we need to give me a give she is, she's a legends funny, funny. Anyway, Potomac needs to come back. Okay, cant big feet? She says, your big feet, and then they get into a conversation

about whether or not that's like. But then sometimes, like at the reunion, they did, I think, cut to a close up on the feet. See, that's what we need. We don't need this darkness. We need the question of is it okay for a woman to say another woman's feet are too big? Discuss this is why Potomac is the best. It's funny. These women are funny. Okay, I mean, let's not also forget Patona Custody. That's probably the darkest days on any other franchises. Yes, and but there is

another dawn. Yeah, there is another time period period. UM. I want to tell you before we go about one song that I recently listened to, which actually was snubbed in the Great Global Songbook, and I wanted to shoot it your way just so. This is one of a for your consideration from me to you UM as the nomination's approach, you know what I mean, right around the corner, and we think about UM recognized, recognizing iconography. And here's the song stand out by Tevin Campbell from the Goofy

movie soundtrack. Oh my God, can we just give flowers to Tevin Campbell? Yeah? Flowers? Can we talk? Iconic Kevin Campbell song standout momad if I got to shut out up, amazing voice, Matt Rodgers, You've never sounded better. And what Sorry, I'm just crying. I'm sorry. I didn't mean to make you cry. I didn't mean to make you cry. But Tevin Campbell was was out here being sounding like the nineties. Take me back to a time in place, King, Now take me there. And I'm so happy he's come out

of the closet recently. I'm so happy he's living in his true self. He's someone who really was giving the gift. I'm sorry my new phrases give the give, which which really can apply to so much. And Sarah Sara Sherman did kind of help bring this into my lexicon. But Tevin was giving the gift since day one, since he burst onto the world stage. When he says in the in the track, it's a piece of cake? Are you

kidding me? Also, do you remember a Goofy movie the character of um I believe it was Roxanne, the most beautiful woman in the world. The most beautiful dog, most beautiful dog woman in the world. She said, this is a woman. Let me hold my books to my developing chest, even more beautiful. Notice my bangs. I'm gonna look even more beautiful than Kate Moss noticed my bangs. Just a great beauty, a figure of great esteem, respect, beauty, talent.

She loved to read books. One of the best things to know, couldn't be I'm sorry, and now we're fully like in the Lea Michelle can't read, sort of bit, but I have to say I fully believe she can read. I believe that some of the longest books um in print, some of the longest books in print. Lea Michelle has read Rock Sand Though rock standon Max had just one of those romances that you're like, I hope this works out. Chemistry together, chemistry are still together, fucking like dogs. M hm,

rock Stand is a gorgeous dog woman, beautiful beautiful. Well that's real culture number seventy seven. Rock Sand, Rock Stand, dog Woman, beautiful beautiful. We end every episode with the song stand up MoMA, only you see you stand singing with me. Gotta listen to it again By