"Bravx, Taylora!" (w/ Matt & Bowen)

the pod? Okay, do you wanta time me? Yes? Okay, But the seconds, in the seconds into the pod, Bowen has to do and we don't know if it is is I don't know, but it might be in it might be and it might be a big day for I don't think so Honey's. So basically, Bowen Yang is maybe one of many. I don't think it's Honey's on this episode. Time starts now. I don't fucking think so Honey. My fucking landlord, I don't know who they are because I only communicate through the fucking broker who showed me

this place. I love my apartment, but the heat does not work, has not worked for weeks. The air conditioning did not work for most of the fucking summer. I cannot live in these conditions. This is illegal. I haven't paid rent this month because I'm withholding it until they fix this. I don't know, I'm just freezing. I'm in a terrible mood, like this is just unbearable, and I don't know, like for anyone else who has, like who's going through some like heating issues right now and as

we get into the colder months. I'm so sorry. I'm with you. I stand in solidarity with you, sisters. Sisters, I just think, God, this really can funk up your whole day, right if you are not if your feet are cold, well guess what your heart will be too. Really chills you to the damn marrow, to the hearts, to the cardiac muscle. Good luck with your peristalsis, honey, And that's one minute. Loving you was more like living

here is cold. Here as a cold. That's what I'm saying, honey, cocoa cold CoA co called or I'm looking at my and here I am sort of card again. I wore to I thought for a second like maybe you would just pop it on, but of course you've already iconically worn't it this week? Girl? I left it at work along with the vinyls that she signed to both of us. I have to tell you, girl, so a d and Bowen texted me a picture of a signed vinyl from Taylor and it says, to Matt, exclamation point love. It

looks like the words she spelled as like Taylor. It looks like she spelled Taylor. And I was like, does she know? Well? I can now confirm to the reader that as I was walking down the tunnel too good nights with Taylor, I wore a wonderful CDLP satin like red wine colored pajama shirt, and I wore I wore the red Taylor Swift scarf that is not part of her merch in this Taylor's version cycle. She was like, oh, that's cute. Ha ha ha. I just sang all too well.

I really think she because she is because Taylor was in red, has been in red mode this entire weekend by proxy, so have we all. And it has been quite fun. Do you not feel like it's twelve all over again? I said to Miss tree Pain herself, I said, and the best possible her publicist m M Trey Pain. We love Ms Tree, I said, it feels like, in the best way, we're in again. And I longed for the days and I told her I didn't I haven't

I haven't. Really, I didn't. I never got to tell this to Taylor, but I was like, that album is my favorite because it came out right as I graduated college. I was, you know, feeling happy, free, confused, and only at the same time magical. Oh yeah, oh yeah. So I think it was a kind of a shock when I put on the Taylor Swift shirt with the card again Folklore card again, and she was like, what is this? Oh my god, this is so disgusting. If me, I'm just you had to have this moment with her, because

then we would never would have known. She would have known. But here's how I phrased it here. I was thinking someone must have told her, well, yeah, as like, has someone explained to you what Taylor Swift is yet? Oh my god? She was like, no, what is that? I was like, and then like Jenna Rosatano or perfect stage manager calls us up to screams out us guys, let's go on stage. So we're walking. I was like, it's too dumb, I'll explain to you later. She was like okay,

and I was like, no, I'll explain to you. She's like, yeah, explain it to me now, I said, Taylor, I was like, Taylor Swift is this personality, is this persona, and Taylor is the songwriter strumming on the guitar. Taylor is the girl who's stomping down the runway on tour. And she throws her head back and laughs and says, that is so funny and so stupid. Yeah, we won readers, we won the way the readers and Paul wass this and the swift E readers and swift a publics this one.

She threw her head back, laughing like a little kid. Oh my god. I think it's strange that she thinks we're funny because she does. And stupid too, stupid too, and she's right and she's right, and you know, like, I mean, what a wonderful thing, what a wonderful what a wonderful moment. I I basically went up to Lauren this week on Saturday before dress rehearsal, just to thank him. I was just like, hey, Lauren, like, thanks so much.

I think I will say this. There was a there was an opportunity for me to do something, to do something with her on weekend up date. It didn't work out. It was completely fine. I was not crushed by it at all I was thrilled at the prospect of it, but Lauren was like, oh, it would be fun for Taylor and Bowen to go out there together. Blah blah blah blah blah. It didn't transpire. She had a very busy week. I was sort of, to be honest, relieved.

I was like, because I would have just really worked myself up into full many had it happened on a week like this one. And so I basically went up to Lauren's office. I was like, Hey, Lauren, I just wanted to thank you for giving me that opportunity, for like considering that to begin with, and for bringing her on, and you know, she's one of my favorite musicians ever, and I just wanted to thank you. And he was like just very very sweet about it and me and

then Lauren and I had a nice moment. Oh and then wait, I can share this, Yes, I can share this. First thing I did. First, I knock on Lauren's door and he goes, you want one of these cookies that Taylor baked for me, and then like walks over to a box gives me this pumpkin spice coconut delicious ginger cookie, so so soft and gooey and um I ate it. Shared a cookie with Lauren in his office, one of that came out of Taylor Swift's own oven ate one of his cookies. We had a lovely little chat. Then

we go downstairs to dress rehearsal. I watched all two, all ten minute version live next to Miss Gail King herself. Wow, who was who was in the building? She knew all the new lyrics. She is a swifty, she's a swifty And she and I turned to each other and said, isn't it so great? Isn't such a great expansion of this song that we all, we have all grown so attached to. And then dress happened, and then air happened. The same thing happened. Ryan Reynolds and Miss Blake Lively.

Director Blake, we're gonna get into that. We're gonna get getting into that turned to me and said, you know all the words already. The song has been out for one day. You know all the new words. I said, I know all the new words. They don't understand that.

They don't understand the deep swift nous, the embracing of the Taylor and the Taylor and the realization that this red re release, and specifically the all too well tim and a version is what you said, which is it is when Taylor meets Taylor at the Max, and that is why it is to be celebrated. So yeah, we got off book on day one, within hours, we got a book day one hours. Sweetie Mama, Blakely Girl across Sweet Lively Girl blasting across the ed Cot Bridge. Oh

my god. First of all, I just want to say for anyone that doesn't, that's anyone that's always like, wow, episodes completely devoted to Taylor. We are going to get into other culture. But this it may not be the episode for you, because this is truly Matt and Bowen Taylor's version. Because this, this is what I'm sure everyone thinks. This, The Swifties think this. We're not going to get a moment like this again. No, it's a celebration. I do

believe that it is her best album. It is her best well, I mean it is her best album in this Taylor's version sort of you are allowed to have a favorite. You are entitled. Red is, just like I said, a very important album for me. The way that Taylor Swift's music attaches to people, the way that people attached to her music is very contingent on where each person is at in their own lives. Well you, that is true. That is true, and you actually sent me the Pitchfork

article today. And by the way pitch Pitchfork upgrades, it's already very positive long review of Read to I believe it's like an eight point five on pitch it's a nine point now. Okay, so perfect, that's now on nine point now. But it says something which I think is correct, which is that Read when it was released was the nexus of her musical career because it it actually sort

of it's the bridge. It's it's the bridge. It let everyone know this is the maturation of this type of artist, this like young singer songwriter coming into her own, but it's also letting everyone know of her maximum pop ambitions. And it is the bridge. It is from It truly is the bridge from Taylor to Taylor. And that's just the truth. And that's just this is why it's an important album to discuss. I won't make any apologies to the listener, to the reader. We are unapologetic. We will

talk about other culture this episode. I'm sure so much plan yet so much has happened, current events are happening as we speak, but as I will also say, I will also say that Fearless Taylor's version and I'm sure we'll feel this way when if she when if and when she rerecords Taylor Swift the first album and speak now.

I was just listening to Enchanted. I was like, I can't wait for the Taylor's version of this huge, huge right now and Chanted and then you knew this Enchanted exploded on TikTok and now it's like in the top fifty extreme songs in the country. It's going to chart again, and Chanton is huge right now. It's kind of getting lost in the Red conversation. But in the days prior to the Red re release, Enchanted was blowing up. It increased like in like streaming because it got found on

TikTok and became like a meme on TikTok. It's why, But continue what you were saying, because did you listen to Fearless Taylor's version and think, oh wow, it's so beautiful to hear her sing songs about being fifteen. Is this thirty year old or you know, thirty something or it's just like her putting these developed vocals onto these songs she wrote, you know, thirteen years ago, Like there is like that's like part of the layer, It's part

of the appeal to why you're listening to this. There is some of that in Red for sure, but for Red, it's like, oh, this is just confirming. It's it's just really, um, I don't know, seeling this idea that this is an incredible album, not that Fearless wasn't, but like there's just there's less of that gap between, Like it just shows you like she this was the bridge, this is this is the artist that made her who she is, like

who she is, like how we know her today? You know? Yes, I also think that you know and and I don't know if she would agree with me, but this is actually my take. And as I'm listening to the Red re release and I'm enjoying it. Not that I didn't enjoy the Fearless rerelease, I just thought it was like really cute and fun and I'm happy we had it. This is like powerful to me and like actually improved

the album. I think when she started this process of re recording everything, it was about ownership absolutely, and it was about getting back her Master's But now I think maybe as she's doing it, she's actually discovering that it's a way too sort of honor all these eras and the fact that her fans grew so much, especially during an album like Red, which was truly a transition. And also the album is so deeply about growing up, and it's so deeply about nostalgia, and it's also you know,

it's it's it's little pieces of her. It's almost like in Red she was talking to herself in her past, present and future in a way. And I do think it's made me love the album so much more than I ever did, because I think you didn't. You didn't love it. It's not that I didn't. It's it's not that I didn't love it. It was before my stand hood, my standard, I will say, happened with and that's just that's just them's the facts. But I will say that

I always did like Red. I guess I was just at the time Red came out, maybe not developed enough to not see it as confusing. I was like, well, this isn't her identity as an artist, Like what's this? Like what's all this like synth and what's this? You know, like weird employe Sisson. I knew we were troubled with the dub step of it all. I was like, I

didn't get it. Now I do, because I think it's exactly what I'm saying, which is it's that next, it's that bridge, it's that Taylor becoming Taylor, but also taking Taylor along with her, which I think at the time sort of through me, and now I can really respect and appreciate. And I also think it's the first time it was a revolution for her lyrically. I mean, all too well, it's just so perfect and we will talk about it as as as its own piece because now

we've seen it like in the short film, etcetera. But I just think in terms of Red, so many of the themes of the album itself actually are um congruent with the themes of her doing this process of rerecording, and that's why I think it feels so special and singular, and why I think we're all having so much fun with it. I just I've never loved her as much as I do this week. I'm her. I fucking love her.

I mean, I I just all I've listened to all week until literally this afternoon when I watched the Adult special last night, which I would love to touch on. Um. I I was listening to the ten minute All Too Well, and I'm like, this is exactly why I love her.

I mean, this is like such a fleshed out, specific circumstance about what was a three month relationship, but that really changed her and I don't I would love to hear what it was like, Um, for you to see the performance live here the song for the first time, and then see the short film and let's let's talk about All Too Well for a second. Um, All too Well. I was listening to it at yeah twelve, I like, like, there's there was some Twitter discussion about how like exactly

twelve ten am Eastern time. Everyone was tweeting their responses being like, oh my god, like like literally like clockwork. Um. But I just like probably guessed internally at some of the lyrics, like, I mean, it's so impactful when used to be a little kid with classes in a twin size bit and then just when when she transitions into the new lyrics. Yeah, it's so powerful when you hear that old stuff you've always known and transition, it's like

it's like the continuing of a story. It's like a mad lib that was in your heart and mind but never but and then to find out that it actually exists, you're like, oh my god, it's like that flashing out that you didn't know you needed. But it's genius of her not to modulate on like an extra verse and a chorus in a verse in pre chorus, an extra bridge, whatever, it like blending in the new with the old in this perfect checkered way after the first like two minutes,

so good, just so just so great. And my favorite new lyric um weirdly mine is um sipping on your coffee like a late night show or something. I just think that's such a that's such a great image, like and then it just kind of it only further confirms this idea that it's an actor, you know, like that it's someone who like is a public figure in a way that would warrant him going on a late night show.

I just I just think, just really great. I I kind of do feel like the patriarchy key chain is anachronistic, Like I don't think that was a thing back in two thousand twelve, Like I don't think those were that phrase was on key chains necessarily in a way that would be recognizable in a song lyric of hers. She definitely wasn't saying the A word back then. She was probably maybe she was writing it. I don't maybe, but she is fully fully within her artistic rights or whatever

to like throw that in in retrospect retroactively. Um, but I just I don't know that was great. Yeah, I would say. The only lyric that confuses me is the patriarchy key chain. I probably could have done without that, but I would say, and I was never going to tell in jokes, but the punch line goes, I get older, but my age is so her, and like I just the whole thing that like waited for the door and my my my dad watched or you charm my dad. Yes, the late night host and then the door. It's supposed

to be fun turning twenty one. It's the whole thing is such a I mean, if you didn't know it was Jake before she and the Jill in Hall of it all is fully confirmed in a way where it's just like, Wow, this guy and this is this is what I was saying as someone who was nineteen dated and dated someone who was thirty. There's a reason why some of those guys do that, and I would say it's because they're not I would I would categorize them

as not emotionally mature. This is not to drag anyone out there who's thirty one dating a nineteen year old, but I would tell you to take a good hard look at yourself and think about that person's experience, because I also think that what she has realized now being someone who is that age and she's his age now, Yes, And I think that that actually puts a light bulb on I know it certainly has for me about what it means to date someone at that age and like

to put someone through the emotional ringer at that age. And that's why I think she's digging in so hard and not being so in cheek about this, you know what I mean. Like, I think I think part of her is, like if she didn't have like remnants of the heartbreak, I think part of her is a little piste off about the fact that, like, you know, she got put through it by someone who had a lot of years on her and a lot of power over her.

And I think it's kind of you know, vindictive. Taylor is is something different now than it was then because she is the most powerful person in the music industry. But it's pretty sweet to see it happened because I recognize what she went through, and I didn't go through the same version of it, but I went through a version of it, and I am smiling listening to it. That's what I I kind of has there been discussion around the line I'm a soldier returning half her weight?

Is that the way I feel like? I absolutely love that amazing lyric. I feel like that's a reference to Jake Joe and Hall film Brothers. You know, I think that I think she certainly thought of it. Yeah, anyway, that's just that's just my thought. But but but Toby McGuire was was the brother who was the soldier in that movie, and not Jake. Anyway, I think Toby and Taylor s would have exists in the same I can't explain, but I I get what you're saying, and I celebrate it.

What did you think of the short film? The short film, lovely short film love Taylor in a red Wig feels very bad blood. I don't know, it feels very feels very much. This is the red era. I love it. Why, Yeah, I love it? And her dp she she she she's gone Na Yang, who's who is very talented. Clearly, I think you were counting the number of times they yelled fucking at each other and that one scene and it

is thirteen. I mean, like it all built to that, because I was like, okay, this must be like a dog whistle orneasterg like fucking like they're saying fucking a lot, and it must be thirteen. It must be like building up to that. It was very I said to Bowen, and I say this in the best way, and this is not a drag, Okay. That long scene of them in the kitchen was very like when you let young actors improvise and there's a lot of fuckings and that's totally fine, and and we love and we love it

and you know, I'm obsessed. But she wrote it, and so therefore I feel like there was some penmanship involved in the dialogue. I feel as though there was some scripting going on, but the actors were allowed to improvise, which is how you get that many fuckings. And but but I also know it's probably intentional. I don't I

don't dispute the intentionality of it all. I just I think I saw her saying an interview that she watched as the actors improvised, and it was like so dead on and she away, I will say, I'm a little bit on his side in that scene because she is acting crazy, like and I'm like, this is say someone's nineteen, no girl, because I'm like, this girl's acting crazy. And also Joelan jared that we they came over last night for Housewives, l O L the girl. We'll get to it.

But they also were like, yeah, I didn't want to say anything, but I kind of think she's being crazy in this scene. Well and that's but he's also a monster. Part of me thinks that Taylor is matured enough now where she would let like a potentially unflattering I'm sure she thought absolutely. I'm sure miss Sadie Sank thought of that, like just like like she's like, we're not no one's like she like, the girl is not blameless necessarily in this I mean she was. She was taking advantage of

absolutely difference. Yes, and you can't you It's like she is nineteen years old. If you put someone in that situation and she feels a certain way, she's going to to act like she feels a certain way, and then

I think that that's another thing. I was looking at it and I'm like, God, these two people shouldn't be together, and that's what that's sort of I mean, And watching the video the first time I was watching it, I'm like, yeah, I mean, I feel like this is all pretty familiar, like and then I realized, like, oh, it's familiar because I recognize it deeply. And I think that you know this story, You've known it for almost ten years. Yes, And I think that it was actually really kind of great.

I think it's a really good, illustrative music video for the song. And I I've been actually surprised. I didn't think I would listen to the ten minute version exclusively and not the five minute version. Not that I don't love the original version, but the ten minute version is now my version, that's for sure. I mean, let's just acknowledge how high the hype was sort of stacked, you know, like built it was like it was, the build up to it was so nutt nutty, like of course, she

she knows that the Swifties are gonna go insane. What she announces a ten minute all too well, are you kidding me? And then we're all like going crazy in the months before it comes out, and then it comes out and we're all like, wow, this met Slash exceeded the expectations crazy. And then I will say you get that many fuckings if you're also like in a David Manment way, absolutely yeah, I didn't. I did not. I didn't take issue with the fuckings at all. That's what

people say when they're upset. It's actually really culture number fifty fucking fucking people say when they're upset, And that's that's going in the book. Here's what I'll say, Um, before we move on from the Red Era, because there's just so much What book are you talking about? I don't even know. I don't know why I said that, but before we move on from the Red Era, which it's just been. It's been the joy of my life.

And I know that you had such a positive experience with her as performance was amazing, but as an album and even with the Vault tracks, I wonder if you had to say three or four highlights, what are they? What songs are you particularly enjoying in terms of the update and what of the new Vault songs are you absolutely like putting in the Cannon for favorite tailor songs. I mean, I bet you think about me as I think in the Cannon, especially with this wonderful visual Chefskiss.

We'll talk about that. I like Babe. I love that there's a promises promises. It feels very three ill wise, you know, saying promises quickly twice. Um, it's very free and that. Yeah, and then um, Ronan is a song that I didn't really didn't like. I was like, oh, what a lovely, beautiful song, and I know I know the story behind it, but just like I just just sonically it sounds so gorgeous. And then um, come back

be here. Really it's something that never stuck that I always like, kind of overlooked during the original release, and now I'm just like, what a great song. Absolutely anyway, and then obviously, um, nothing new. Phoebe sounds so good and I think it's both such as it's such a great match for both of them. Yeah, she was very

she was really smart to to to to collab with her. Yeah, I think that that's it's such a great song, and I think it's I can understand why she left it off the first time, because she probably was afraid to put it on because it's so honest, I mean, And she did touch on feeling that way about feeling disposable as a one in the music industry in the Miss Americana documentary, and it's been interesting now to see confirmed that this has been something that's been on her mind

and she has the lyric that's I've had too much to drink to note. I know it's like, and I know it's sad, this is what I think about, but you know, there's a lot of pressure on her and so you know, sometimes for her to feel that way at twenty two to write the song as a twenty two year old crazy dark has nothing to do with her and has everything to do with society, you know whatever, obviously, but like just just what a yeah, an honest song.

Nothing's really changed in the way that people feel about women in the music industry. I guess for this to still be resonant um but really good. Yeah, I would say overall my opinions are I mean, message in a bottle of such a fun, little snack of a pop song.

I understand why it didn't make it the first time, because I think this was the first song that she wrote with Max Martin and Shellback, and I think she did improve upon it in terms of the upbeat songs on the album that we're on the initial version, I will say I think that in the re recordings, I think the mid tempo and ballads fair better than the up tempo songs. It just seems like maybe that was what she was more interested and passionate about this time

with this album. I I do prefer the original. We are never ever getting back together. The we Ese are a little much for me on the new release, and

but there's these songs are still fun twenty two. I mean, it's it's so much fun like and I have such an appreciation for that as a pure pop song now, Like it's just so genius, and that's my favorite up tempo on the song, I think in terms of the re release and the original now, but I mean, Red sounds absolutely beautiful and you so get it, Like there's State of Grace and then there's Red and the album really begins Red into treacherous. Treacherous is one of her

top five. Treacherous is it is so fucking good and listening to her sing it now gorgeous. I mean, I think this this is one of the tracks that is I think is better than on the original album. I would agree. The production on it, the vocals on it

all huge improvements, improvements. I got to tell her I sent you, I sent you a promo there was there was a promo for SNL where I got to um, just my me as Bowen as scripted just I just like kind of drop a lyrical reference, and everyone's like, Bowen, come on, and I'm like, what, I like her music,

and then she like pats me on the shoulder. And then there was one quote unquote very sadie think of me improvised the line where I said treacherous is the sound of falling in love, and she was like really kind of floored by it in the moment. Matt has the footage, but I was but she was like, what treacherous. That's so nice, And like I was like, I don't think people tell her that enough. No, what am I saying? I'm saying like maybe maybe that is like an underappreciated

song of hers that maybe she doesn't. I think it is so beautiful. It is the bridge. Nothing safe is worth the drive. And I will follow you, follow you home to you head like trying to sleep list night and I will get you, get you alone. And you know what it's funny is it's so obviously about like meeting and having that first attraction to Jake Jillan Hall, and it applies to anyone. I mean when you know.

And there's a live performance where she says this one of my favorite live performances she's ever done, is it was like a red listening party with a bunch of girls. Yeah, and she's got her iconic redit like liberal arts college hair at the time, and she's like, this is when you start to like somebody and you know it's gonna annihilate you, but you do it anyway. And I was just like, I mean, a h it's it's choosing to

live life so that you see what happens. And like there's also in Treacherous, I mean literally there's so much like danger imagery and it's just like you could tell she felt so vulnerable, and that is what I love about Taylor Swift is the willingness to be vulnerable. And then you know later on you see in her life when she felt like she really needed to put armor on and literally we got reputation, you know, but there were still little glimpses of vulnerability like she just has

she's got. She allows herself to go out and be inspired so that she can create work that really, really really hits. And Treacherous to me is it's just so boring. It's it's so good, and she's also sounds horny as hell on it too, and it's also about genuine attraction, which I do love. Can you think of a crazier opening lyric? Not crazier, but just like horny or opening lyric? I should say, then put your lips close to mine?

As long as edging the Edgers one with that song that Edger's actually one, it's actually a rule of culture numbers the Edgers. Yeah, um, I would say, Yeah, so treacherous, I would say, Ronan God did I cry, Begin again, Begin again? Did what it needed to do on this new re release and it honestly makes me feel so hopeful every single time. Obviously holding down and state of grace we stand. And I will close by saying that the update of Girl at Home I am in total

support of. And this is how I know that, Yes, it's the ownership that really matters. But I think she might have made a more conscious effort to make it sound the exact same if she never wanted the original listen to. I think this process of re recording is becoming something different for her in the beautiful, great way and also an ingenious way as the capitalist that she is and we know in that third generation banker's daughter Mama,

she says, I am a brand. I am rereleasing all my albums as if they're bigger than ever, new things, and I love it. Let us talk about and give props to Miss Blake, Miss Blake before you before we move on to the to the video of I Bet You Think About Me. Just the lyrics, lyrics on Holy Ground, I think really hit you, hit you hard again when

you really sit down and listen to it. I always loved the song, but something about again this this this rerelease, I'm like, whoa, and like just the concept, I mean, don't you isn't this this concept that like it's so obvious, but like if you walk by a place, it has some like emotional romantic like energy, like like thing for history to you so powerful and like the like she's this bitch is fucking throwing biblical references in this fucking song,

Like I I mean, like whatever like whatever your thoughts on Christianity are, like, I'm like, okay, is like fucking quoting the Bible in this way that doesn't feel forced, is just enough so that you understand that. She's like, this is a place of biblical that's suffused with biblical energy in the Bible of my life, right say that it is sacred. And you know, this just recently happened to me. I felt very red when when it's when

we shot Bonobos. It was the first time I had come back to New York since before the pandemic, and it was and I was walking to the city, specifically the East village where we went to school, where I lived, where I had so many you know, first kisses and how many I cried on course street corners, and you know places that I used to go have lunch and meet up with friends are now Starbucks, and you know times where I was working really hard at school, and

you know where I apartments that I moved into and moved out of and met people. And it's just that is a really powerful thing. And I think that a song like that really speaks to that, and this whole album really speaks to that, because you know what Bowen. It's also really important for us because it was a really fun transitional time in our lives. It was, you know, and we were we were twenty two. We really were happy for your confusing lily at the same time in

the best way, Darling. It was good never looking down and right there where we stood was holy ground. Come on, fuck you for that. That's girl good Billy Joel said, beatles of her time and time. Patty Lapone said, one

of the best lyricists of our generation. And Patty his close girlfriends with Stephen Sondheim close girlfriends close, that's actually real culture Number six, Patty close girlfriends so stupid um speaking of close girlfriends, Taylor's close girlfriend Blake Lively direct video I Bet You Think About Me Again, one of the stronger song from the Vault, which I loved. This is one of her best music videos. No I said to you, I said, wow, this is up there, Yes,

just like such. And honestly, what I thought about the entire time watching it was this direction. Direction, and also it's like, you know, we had Miles Teller in it, pedigree, we had Lively behind the camera, really good style. I thought she had a really good style. It's edited so well, great vision. Taylor was obviously having a lot of fun in it. Blake should direct more. Blake is a visuals person, Like you know, she like picked the office out for

a simple favor. You know, she like fucking like was Serena vander Woodson like the image, Like she like cultivated that herself. Like she's incredible, an amazing actress, obviously star actress. The first time I saw her, sisterhood directress directress and also you know what sisterhood I'll never forget. I was like, who is that? I was like, I need to know a girl in the world everything, and then the world noticed everything. I was just like thinking to myself, I

was like, how much fun Taylor is having? Like also a lot going on in the video set piece wise, like tar Angle. You know, this is a really really good directorial effort. I say, Bravo, Bravo. I say maybe her I would say brav x, I would I would say maybe Taylor's best music video since Space. Yeah, let's say that, and what not not. This is not the streams.

I acknowledge the problematic nature of it, but I do think it's absolutely beautiful and I emotional every time I watch it, I really fucking I just you know what, and I'll say I love Harmonica Taylor. And if you want to go so far as to say that, as

we've said, this is Red as the Bridge. If we are to believe that she wrote this song for this album during her sort of exploratory conceptual process of this, if the harmonica was in there originally kind of like Foretells Folklore era Taylor, you know, like it is past present, future, like this is like the four dimensional snapshot of Taylor Swift that we're gonna get, that we have, that we

will always have. Well, what read the album proves is that time and space don't exist, because this album exists in a vacuum where she was speaking to all let's call it nine dimensions of Taylor, Taylor, Taylor. It was just like speaking to everything. It was. It was shooting out energy in all directions because you know what, you know what she wasn't doing during Fearless Taylor's version in April.

She was not going on the on the show. She was not really doing the songs live, which I'm sure doesn't mean that she doesn't love Fearless songs like or like you know that time in her in her career, in her life. I just think she you can tell she fucking loves this album. Yes, she knows, she thinks it's one of her best. She knows it's one of her best. She I think thinks of this also as this sacred time capsule. That's why she's dressing in that

era again. I'm like, we just in folklore era, like a year ago, and it's like and now it feels like it doesn't be like a regression. It just feels like, whoa, this is such And this is what I said to Tree Pain, and I said, I know this is probably what you guys thought about all along, but like this really is like an intentional, powerful return to that time in her life and in our lives, and so therefore I feel like I'm twenty two again. Yes, yes, it's

just it's I don't know. I'm just saying it's crazy. It's it's it's a crazy power, and I'm like, I kind of like it. I'm kind of scared by it. I'm kind of like, whoa, what is It's bizarre, very confused and lonely at the same time, and magical. That's what it is. Yeah, in the best way, in the best way. That's what this is. Taylor. We say brav X you X Taylor the title of a title of X brov X Taylor brov x Taylor brov X Comma Tay Laura exclamation point. That's exactly right, That's exactly right.

The red was the one time she was Tay Laura, Taylor and Taylor everything. And that's that's beautiful, and that's that's cultural. Rest You're so a culture baby. And okay, so you just we just said the word king and in a transition out of this. There's so much to talk about, but I have to tell you something, King Ego WoT Um was so good in the second season of Love Life. I had to text her. I was like, girl, I was the way you did that. Did you watch

the second season of love Life? The readers know that if you've been listening for a while, you know I loved the first season of Love Life. The second season of Love Life with William Jackson Harper and Miss Jessica Williams never better. This was great. Did you catch this? I have not watched a single episode of Love Life. I I'm sure I would love it. This is the thing I told I told King this at dinner at

the after party on Saturday. I said, because someone from someone from NBC came over and talked to us and was like, oh my god, have you have we all seen Ego in Love Life? I go, yes, and I go she is the draw for some people, myself specifically, because I was not. I watched because of her, and I watched the entire thing and was like, oh my God,

give me this rom calm lead iconography. Absolutely, I mean she gave it to you every way she was because you know, Ego was giving you ego, but she was also giving you shades of ego we haven't seen, which I'm always excited when when when the SNL folks get this opportunity because they're so talented, and also, Punky Johnson

is in the show. Punky is so good, fabulous, I mean so great, and actually I think I've only had the very fleeting pleasure of meeting Punky, but big fan, the lot person in the world, the kindest, funniest person, so so good, and I will say I'm about to give it all the way up to William Jackson Harper, who was an amazing lead and let truly, you guys, this is my recommendation. This week, watched the second season

of Love Life. You really don't have to watch the first season, but you know, I did enjoy it the second season of Love Life. He's so great, so charming, so watchable, so hot, like and his chemistry with Jessica Williams was amazing and she has never been better. I was like, she's a star and just across the board. I really enjoyed Love Life, And props to King who bodied that fourth episode. And then she comes back and at the end of the season, loved it, loved it King.

I think King is really in her charges ard era, like not that she wasn't. This is the thing. King is one of those people that has always just sword and has always moved through the world with this assured nous that she is very good. Yep, she's a superstar. She has the X factor. Bab she's a she has it And honestly, can I just say I'm a jealous, fucking bitch. No, but I see her succeed every time on the show and life outside of SNL. I go, I'm just so purely happy for you. Oh yeah, she

happens with a few people. It happens with like you and that's it. I'm getting more people than that, but like I'm just a king. It was one of those people. I'm just like, God, good for you. I'm just so happy for you. I was so happy for her, and I know there are a lot, there's lots of fans of that show. I texted her. I was like, I hope you're hearing all the praise because she really deserves it.

And I can't say enough again. If you remember, if if you've been watching, listening to this for a while, or reading this podcast for a bit, you remember I finished all of Love Life in one night. Same thing with the second season. It's real easy. It's half hour episodes, it's all They released the whole thing at the same time. So it's like which Hbox doesn't always do. But I believe they did it this and if they if they didn't, it is all out now, so trick it out. Loved

it now. Did you get to watch the Adel special? It was delivering on new Adele music. It was delivering on in many ways. We heard, you know, new vocal renditions of Taylor and Taylor. We heard Adele vocally sounding so good and warm and healthy, singing the old classics like you've never heard of before. I don't I don't think, um, I don't think that someone like you has ever sounded better when we were young. Hello, you know easy on me.

It's so funny hear or sing it live. But also some of the new music that she has coming out. She she she sang this one song called hold On, which was fantastic, and then she closed with this song which is like love is a game or something, and it's like she wrote a new classic song. It's the only way I can describe it. Like Greta came over earlier and we were watching it and I turned to her and I was like, this is a song that we're gonna be singing for years to come, and it

just made me so excited. Her interview with Oprah was, of course amazing, because Oprah is Oprah, and Oprah was of course giving you classic iconic like welcome to My Rose Garden vibes. Where I guess she's doing all her interviews now, it's it's she has, she goes, she goes. I really wanted to bring you back to my Rose Garden because look over there, there's my tea house, and sure enough, there's an entire house for tea, but it was Opra's house, so Adele came over to Oprah's house.

She wore this sunning white pants suits and in the in the in the performance itself, she had this like stunning, stunning, She's giving Italian glamor this like black Shipparelli dress, like it was just she was so beautiful and it was like Griffith Observatory. So that was gorgeous. And I mean this the the production design was amazing. She sounded incredible.

Check it out. It's on Paramount Plus. What I love the most was how relaxed and happy she seems and how she was like answering every question being like yeah, you know, like I think Adele, we always associate with like sort of like a frenetic drunk energy, and it seems like we're seeing like a more like grown up Adele who And you can even tell in her lyrics

in the way that she delivers it. She's like, look, babe, this is music that I love and this is the truth and these are my lyrics and this is how I've grown up and you're hearing it and she like Taylor, Um. I think I love her so much because She's like, Yeah, I'm gonna live my life and put it out there, and like that's that's that's the way I can like interact with um. Everybody really is in the music itself, you know, because she'll go away for years and then

come back. And it just made me so excited for Friday to get the new music. But I think you're gonna love it. You're gonna love the way you look when when you listen to it. I guarantee it. There's just a lot of culture happening in these next couple of months. We're getting into Oscar season. Great music coming out that sort of takes us back in time or pushes us forward in time. And then, fucking I'm gonna say it, we got a new Pokemon game coming out.

Hell yeah, talk about the using moment Pokemon. Brilliant Diamond, Shining Pearl, that's what it is. It's to we have go. We have come far from Blue and Red, We've come far from Blue and Well. These are remix of Diamond and Pearl that came out in the DS, but this in like two thousand six seven. This is a remake of Doubt on the Switch. Beautiful new Pokemon to catch you can catch your article knows your maltration. They let

you catch the legendary birds. They can let you catch the legendary birds depending on the version you have me, you can be caught in this one. If you can catch me. You see that that too far from me. You might have to download because I know this bitch has a switch. You might have to start getting into Pokemon again so you and I can battle and trade. Wait, I actually would love that. You're probably so much better

than you have to give me. You have to give me a couple of months to get ahead start, I think, let me get good again. It's coming out Friday. I'm really excited. Okay, wait, if there's a new Pokemon coming out, I'm actually excited because I would love to get to know the new girls. Because back in the day, back in the day when I was start of kicking kicking the balls around, there was a hundred fifty one girls, and now there's thousands of girls. Now there's almost a thousand.

But this is that this is going back to generation four where they were only maybe and you can that you might see some new girls from the future come back and travel through time, dear, But it's somewhat manageable, and some of the Gen four girls are adorable, powerful iconic. There are some icons in the mix, don't get that.

Let's get that straight. So in terms of so, let's say that these those are sort of the new the new songs are the old girls still as they say, giving it to you carrying like for example, is Squirrel tearing? Is Pikachu still tearing? You know what I mean? May not you may not see Squirtle, but you will see a Pikachu in the wild. Of course, you will see

the classic girls roll through. Pokemon is you you don't understand nostalgia culture as well, but also very forward thinking in some ways, but also will remind you why it's icon It is it is, Pokemon is is its own diva. Pokemon is it is its own and every Pokemon is a song. Think of it that way, dear, I really, that's That's the way I'm gonna think about it from now on. Pokemon is Aretha Franklin and Pikachu is natural woman. You know what I mean. Pikachu's natural woman mews rsp

as respect and that's it. That's all there is to say. Ars Art is dreaming and I'm thinking absolutely absolutely, and I would say, Diamond, Diamond and Pearl are the young gifted in black of her of her repertoire. And I would say, you know what I would say, what I really would say is that Pigioto is do right woman, do right. That's what I would say. That's really what I would say at this moment. If you want to do right, oh night woman, you gotta be a do

right Oh that man? Oh come on, Jigglie puff is tell me Pine of Fools and cliff Fable is you're bad to thank? Think about to try thank thank Come on now, products, come on, products PROCs Aretha brov X to us all brod X to us all. Now should we talk about housewives? Would you want to? Well? I did all I've seen from the adult thing are um is that video of Oprah and Lazzo dancing to Hello

in the audience? Yes. So the crowd was almost entirely celebrities in Hollywood tips and I was like, truly l O L. They cut to the crowd of Leonardo DiCaprio was there with his mask like honest train and I'm like, we are really exists. I was like, I wonder if this is gonna elienate people that are like there was an exclusive Adele contentatory. At one point, she goes, I

only wanted to invite people I really like. And you know, some people haven't really made but somebody close friends and they cut two and it's like, literally Melissa McCarthy sat next to Lizzo. Fucking Aaron Paul is there, rocking back and forth doing his thing. Fucking Drake Drake was there, bowen. I'm not even getting what kind of was a motley. I'm I'm getting Aaron paulkin to someone else anyway. Sorry, Aaron Paul Jesse from Breaking Bad, who looks the same.

He walked right out of the pages of Breaking Bad and onto the grip of the Deservatory to watch a del sing hello, I missed that one. I missed I missed that one too. You know he's you know, you can if you want to watch the third season of West World. He was the lead. Oh yes, people don't know that. People don't know that. People don't talk about West Worlds anymore. But it's you know, doing insane work,

being what it is. I want to say, I'm laughing out loud because Jared just sent me a YouTube video of Candice on the Kelly Clarkson Show. Have you seen it? And are you laughing just because you are laughing at the idea of cannadae? No, no, no, I never laughed like that because I know I think drive Back is

about and a half. Well, did you see that she posted like an Instagram story of like some party, some like mini concerts she did at some club some in some city where she like had like just was doing her Beyonce like fat to see. I don't know why something like that. That's what you it to say. Well, she had two backup dancers, as I was gonna say

her Beyonce fact simile, but that's not necessarily right. But she was doing here Beyonce fagotry with two backup dancers behind her to drive Back, fucking going off during the bridge with the coreo. And I was like, this is fucking awesome. We love Candice Canda's performing drive Back on. She says, Kelly Coxton show, Oh my god, different key, yeah, yeah, oh my god, I'm obsessed. Okay, wait, oh my god, she's serving conversation snation. That's not what you want. Don't

do bad bad there's not play. There is Coreo happening, bitch, the sun is so good. We need to get her on. Yeah, next thing and no you're grabbing no mater area. Oh my god. It New York Comedy Festival. I came out to this song and then the song ended and I was like, who knows that song? And the crowd roared, and I was like, I knew I had my closest friends here tonight. I knew my girls came out to Brooklyn. Come on, this song is so good. Back make it

that complain, come back, come back. Oh my god, Wait, I just want to hear the end of the course, even when I can, even when I can. Okay, I'm not gonna make everyone listen to the whole thing, but I'm just saying, Candice fucking bodied the Kelly Clarkson Show. Okay, you're you and this word body today, I bodied it it um. Andy Cohen was at the show and I was I was like, I love that he is that SNL and anyway, that's all I wanted. Was he standing? Was he there to stand Taylor? Was? I think I

think it was just there to roll through. But I'm sure he's stans Taylor, although maybe like he's never had Taylor on, only know he's close with John, very close with JM, so who knows. And I said, you know what's gonna happen when she does really speak now, which, by the way, I want speaking nowt bad, because now that I've heard what she did with Red, I really want to speak now, because that's another one that doesn't get the shine, not that Red Budgiesman is in her top.

I said, you know, we're getting a forty five minutes, dear John, with a feature film attached, and I'm ready for it. A three hour long feature film for a forty five minutes song, Taylor said. Scorsese vibes. Taylor said, this is my good fellas. It's gonna be. It's gonna be. It's gonna be three blonde women in ball gowns running around New Jersey, New York City, fucking killing men, shooting people, and her and their trunks and her trunk. De j

I way for that ship, Oh my god. And you know what I'm realizing now she really dated these older guys, like she must feel a certain way about this looking back being their age. Now She's like, jeez, I'm sure she feels some level of like what the fuck. But like we've I've been there. I mean, you know, I made a whole habit of dating guys with not even just older s precimpally with power over me. And now I look back and I'm like, I want to I want to tell myself at that age, like you gotta

not do I not is this therapy? I think it gave me a complex anyway, I've just been really, I get it, I get it, I get your Taylor. Isn't it nice to date? I just highly recommend if people haven't tried dating people like on their level. It's not that that's what I'm doing right now, but I at least I'm dating someone like my own age, which doesn't always happen. I that yeah, where I'm like, oh, I've gone for like older guys sometimes and it's great, it's fine.

There's nothing that inherently wrong with it. I'm just like, but what does it say about the dynamic? I don't know, like the stages you're you know, Here's what i'd say. I'm not saying. I'm not saying it's a bad thing when there's an age difference. I'm just saying, let's not pretend there's not like, stop, this thing of our age difference is not something we think about our age difference, that we were actually in the same sort of place

in our lives. Like we don't acknowledge the age difference. You should be like you're at a different place in your life. It's weird when people say things like the age difference is not something we think about or something that affects us. Like what I don't know. I don't know, just speaking from experience here. But what's important is we talk about the Housewives of Potomac reunion and salt like thoughts on there on this part of the reunion. I don't know if it's just me. I was obsessed with

it top to bottom too. I thought it was a great reunion. Great reunion where you gotta hug from Karen between Karen and ge Zelda was really sweet. Um Ashley had a moment a little bit You and Joel are a little bit anti Wendy. Is that fair to say? Let me tell you something right now. I got in Wendy opos d MS today to inviteer onto the show. Okay, teams, and when I have if you look around me, I have every candlelit I have I have Wendy my own I'm looking to my own, my own knee right now.

The way I laughed at the Home Essentials will have a five and seven wink can unprecedented. And then you know, you know what Matt Rodgers did that second went to I bought two, one for me, one for study. Okay, a seven week, five week. I think that is the funniest thing, the most funny, like uncomplicated, like it's it's not funny because someone's suffering. It's funny because it's just

funny that she just decided to go over five. Yeah. Well, the the Wick War is truly hilarious fun and you know what's so pathetic is Mia came out with a nine wick candle and it's like a thousand dollars and I'm like, girl, no one is going to buy me a candle. They cut to the Mia candle on the show like it looks fucking ugly. I'm sorry, I'm very

I'm very Antia Thornton. Well, let's let's talk about it, because you know that she said, well, don't worry because I'm not gonna be giving girls, these girls any of my time. No, bitch, you're fired. Okay, you're fired because you're are you act crazy? You don't have any genuine friends here. I think it's unfortunate because I think she could have figured out being on this show, I really do.

But she just acted insane like there was there was never she never found her bearing or like really committed to anything. And then, honestly, I think she made the wrong fucking enemy because and this is the star of the show, Candice is, and I actually I would be curious to think what you thought when they all returning to Candice and telling her that she needed to adjust her behavior and religion. What were your thoughts on all

of this? And I would be very curious to hear what you thought about when the issue of colorism was raised, because I have feelings about it. Well, You've put it very eloquently in the past that what's so incredible about The Real Housewives is that each city and each franchise is about particular important subject. With Um New York, it's alcoholism.

With Beverly Hills, it's like wealth and status, which is like you know in the China, I think, and how people in this town in particular, it's about appearances and and with Salt Lake, it's about religion. Um, I don't watch I don't watch Dallas. I don't know what Dallas is about status. But with status with Potomac, it's about colorism. I think so. And Ashley Darby is a fucking dumbass for what she said last night we're working this on Monday.

For what she said this week where she was like where Wendy asked a perfect question to be like, do you think colorism exists in society or something to that effect. Now she was like, yes, I do. And then when he said do you think colorism exists within this group? And she said, no idea. And then when he's like, how can you say that? How can you say that colorism exists in society but not but that for some reason we are innocularly immune to it, Like that makes

no sense? And the answer is because she does not want to cop to her partise. She doesn't in the way that it plays out on this show. I mean, she doesn't want to take accountability for the fact that, like you know, and this is what I'll say, is Candice more excitable? Is she more active? Is she more animated? Yes? Do I think that she sometimes pushes buttons that make me started biting my nails. Yes. Do I find her to be as dangerous, as aggressive, as unruly as they

would make it seem. No. And I also think that Wendy often fields things from the other women that they don't lobby at the light skinned women. That's why Wendy and Candice or like this, like you could really tell, like especially when they cut to them like during the lunch break or whatever, like check in with each other. It was like, Oh, this is like a really deep connection that they share over this fucked up thing. Uh.

And I don't know. I I think I came away from this episode siding with Candice even I mean I always go back and forth with her, um, but this time, but really just like enjoyed what she I mean, I mean, part of one was pretty iconic with because what you were was because on Gray you were ungrateful. I mean, and we said to each other, that is the new

she was trespassing from the in for reunion. Um. Candice just has so many great moments at these reunions that I just appreciate that, like, not for being messy or for being like I mean, yeah it's messy, but I just think she um, she's just a very dynamic chaos agent on the show. The way that feels more exciting to me than Gazelle and Karen. I mean, I am

sick of that stuff too. With Candice, it's like like her going to the kitchen, chasing down Ashley Darby in the kitchen and the Williamsburg House being like, why the fund did you do that? I love that ship. I love when someone just like runs after someone and and just goes what was the point of that? Yeah, because I want to do that all the time, and I aspire to a Candice Dillard Bassett level of just like, hey, what the fuck? I think that Candice and Wendy are

by far the most dynamic characters on the show. And I think that. Look, I love Andy Cohen and like, I think he does great for the world. I think he was getting annoyed with her in a way that he should understand. I hope he gets that what he has with her, because she is truly important on this show. Yes, because Candice, you can tell like like almost like like

they get under each other's skin. And I think Andy likes it, But but I question it because it seems like he does get his feathers ruffled a little bit like with her, and I think that he reacts to her a lot. He does, and I think that what he needs to understand is that's good like and I don't think her places in jeopardy. But when Karen was like, you better change the way you behavior. People are just gonna tune you out, I was like, is that some

sort of threat? Do you think that I love Karen Hugo, But do you think that you're like at the level on this show that like what anything you say is going to make the fans feel a different way about Candice. I get that Candice is divisive, but Candice's fans ride hard, and I know them, I'm one of them, and I'm just saying, like, let's not gaslight this person into trying to think that the things she's experiencing are not real.

Because when he said to her, you were almost attacked last year, I was like, almost attacked without yeah, and then without goes and that's my fault that I was attacked. Then she kind of like changed the framing of that, the phrasing just being like I was and almost my fault. Yeah, yeah, yeah. One of maybe the most violent altercation and Housewives history. Absolutely one of one of the blood was dropped, like, yeah, look, if Candice has if Candice has issues with quote unquote

anger management, she should and will deal with it. But let's not pretend like anything she's doing is warranting any of the physical altercations that have been levied against her. And for Giselle to say like, had had Mia pop Chu, I would have been like shoulder shrug when last year she was like bringing security to fucking coffee events that Monique Briant, I don't know. And then and then I was happy to see some progression with her, like in her narrative, but we see through it with her, we

see through it. And also for her to sit there and say that, I was like, wow, the gas lighting that Candice experiences on this franchise is not acceptable. And if she chooses to leave the show, everyone on it will have fucked up. That's what m g Zel was. Is there growth because they feel like we're just kind of she's been spitting her wheels on the show. It's always about Jamal and someone It's it's just it's never there's no progression. It's always about like her being like

fully lonely with her daughters. I don't know, it's it's sad to me, um and I just it's it's so deeply irrit hitting me that she can't take it. She can always she can always dish it, never, never refuses to talk about this guy she was dating. Then she ended up breaking up with, like even though she pried

into everyone else's ship. The way that she defended her bringing up the Eddie rumors was that was fucking brainless to me and Wendy being like Wendy breaking it down perfectly, being like that blog is maybe read by hundreds of people, you brought it onto this platform that is watched by millions. How do you think that makes me feel? That was

just like short circuits so messy. Giselle like that's like she knows she's been on the show long enough to know that like that like has like impact and imp like like that like can ruin a marriage so fucked up. I will publicly say that I bow and Yang hate Giselle brun not since Ramona Singer, I like deeply disdained a like have to have have had deep disdain for a housewife. This is how I think we get to the bottom of the situation. Because she's not going anywhere.

She her and Karen like that is the central that is like a central plotline of the show. Robbin's Gotta Go because you need to cut Giselle's lackey off and the Robin storyline if it's not done, it's too sad to watch. She needs either a break or she needs to be let go. And we got some new people

in here. I don't think that will happen, but I do think that that's a way we can get to the core of Gazelle a little more because in the character study of Giselle Bryant, I do think there was some movement forward because we got her to admit that she's got a lot of guards up as a defense mechanism because she's been very, very hurt, and she refuses

to get emotional because she has to be strong. And I do understand therapist man like once every two years, it's right, And the thing is like, what to see her get emotional about Karen. I was like, maybe that's

what it is. Maybe we just need to isolate this a little bit more to Karen and Giselle and sort of figure out what what what it is there, because the fact is this, Giselle does not see Robin as an equal no, and that is allowing her too always have excuses and always have justifications because Robin is never going to not give her that and to form theories out of nothing that just distract from her own pain.

That's the that's the whole Wendy thing. Like she like basically like was bored twiddling her thumbs at home, not being able to teach your kids how to drive, and then going, let me just like actually propagate this horrible rumor about Wendy that has no basis in fact a reputable, incredible blog. Yeah. And also when Wendy was like, when the time comes, make sure you apologize to my children, and just all was like, why would I have to apologize to them? And that in and of itself says

it all. She can't understand and that what she's done is one day Wendy's kids, when they stumble upon narratives in this show, are going to have to see that there were rumors that their father was unfaithful to their mother. So don't don't don't come around here being like my children, my children, my children, with such blatant disregard for the feelings and well being of one of your castmates children. And that's flat out so I thought Wendy was so

on point this whole time. She's been great. And by the way, Wendy o Cepo has just liked my comment. Oh my God, would love to join you and Bowen if your producer can send an email, she says him, Matt hopefully God. First, thank you so much for purchasing the candles. I'm so grateful for your support. Asked for the podcast? How awesome is that? Yes, would love to join you and Bowen if your producer contended an email over to my team, they can assist with scheduling and

the sticks. Super excited looking forward to it. This is happening in real time. I'm saying, I can't tell you how thrilled we are. Email is incoming. Oh my God, tell her, as a child of immigrants of insane immigrant parents that she is my favorite housewife ever. Well, you're gonna get to tell her bib because she's gonna come on next week or the week after. And how about them a pless Wow, unbelievable. How awesome is to ask for the podcast? How awesome is that? Literally? Hello? Well hello?

Then when celebrate that, and then I'm so our first housewife, our first house life and not a better person. But um fucking how did she she put the Wendy Stepho inflection on. She said, but baby, baby, no conversation needed or whatever it was she said. She said, no editing needed or whatever, or no real exciting because the question was do you rehearse your rehearsal? Yeah? Yeah, no rehearsal need did some people have it? And Wendy has it and you're gonna see that she has got it, which

comes on podcast Last Cultures. Wow not wait, wow, Oh my god. You know, Matt and I our own individual one candles to OHI to the way we bought. We lit them in Ohi the way. My entire place smells like only Home Essentials. And I told you about the Luxury Fragrance spray. The Luxury Frager spray is where it's at. She gave you what she wrote you, a hand written No she did not write anyone, No she didn't, but that's what I think that she only wrote. Bought the

full line. I've now spent almost five at the Wendy O. Cfo On Home Essential Store, so I do believe I deserved the handwritten note. You absolutely do. And I'm just I'm not saying that I do too. I'm just saying I'm a little disappointed that I did not go all in. Oh my, get the handwritten Wendy. She's gonna come on and she's going to talk to us about what it was like with NICKI minaj. Oh my god, this is too good anyway, this is absolutely the apex of the

Potoma conversation. So to be continued, and let's move on. Let's move on to the Salt Lake City Housewives episode that I believe is one of the best Housewives episodes of all time. Andy Cohen promised us one of the best, one of the top five. I no lies, no fucking lies. I mean the whole thing was edited like it was fucking like true crime, Like there glitchy title cards and ship like I was screaming. But the time, the time

stands were so important. This was the episode where jen Shaw gets arrested for wire fraud, um and I think, among other things. But when they were breaking let's just say this, when they were when Heather Gay was breaking down in the car as Whitney is rubbing her back, saying fraud. It's fraud frod Whitney, Whitney was herself. Whitney has cemented herself as one of the all time greats. Talk about someone, I don't think it's suspicious at all

that she knows. I think she's she's just like she's smart. She knows about how the world works. Like, don't say that it's suspicious, like if Jenny fucking doesn't know how anything, like which way is up? Lisa is a dumbass. I'm sorry, I'll say it like Lil Lisa Barlow also was iconic to me. No, I was actually very my whole opinions. As soon as she starts sobbing for Stu, I'm like, don't feel bad for Stu after you just found out that they've been fraud like wire frauding so many elderly

they feel bad for their families. But I look, here's what I'm saying. When I think Lusa Barlow is iconic. I don't think she's morally standing up right, but was iconic when she when they cut to all six of her phone calls with her lawyers, and every version, every version of it was her saying I'm literally making or literally ship I mean yeah, I mean literally talk about a meme like like she was giving you everything you needed.

She was, she was entertaining. I just think, like, I don't really like you as a person anymore, even though you were fine fine. I will say that the winner of the episode, it's a tie between Whitney and Meredith, who face times them, learns about learns about all this, and her first her knee jerk responses, I'm not surprised anyway. Can't we just see you girls by give her the middle snowflake at this time. Yeah, the girls are all really competing for the middle snowflake because they're all sort

of tearing each other parts together. It this, I will say the the Mary arriving and finding Meredith in the bathtub with the class of Champagne. I was like, see this is how you do staged housewives bullshit. That feels exactly right. I was like, I think, I think, because I do think in watching it, I think Meredith stage is quite a bit, but it feels iconic, and she's rarely and she's rarely dressed, not iconically her in that little pink dress that she got it wowles, she says

after turns up the phone. She's not surprised about the whole thing. She then her revealing on camera that Jen, one of Jen's people, stole from her store six months prior. She can't stand Jen, hates Jen, never wanted to reconcile with Jen. Wouldn't have done it have they not been on a show, And now that she has an excuse, she says, I'm vindicated. Everyone set the funk down. I've been saying this person is a iconic evil man. Oh my god. Jen's like, isn't it so chilling to watch back?

I'm so glad they played it again. I guess in the previously um package, but like the way She's like, Shreef has internal bleeding and I'm like, you're lying, You're lying. She was lying, and you know what on watching What Happens Live this Heather Gay like she's a writer or die friend for better or worse? Because Andy Kohin was like, how can you defend her doing that? And she goes, I don't think anyone knows what we were doing that situation,

so yeah, I can't defend it. I was like, girl, there are real victims here, and she lied to your face, which shows you that she would have done the same thing. To you. Absolutely, And it's not an Erica comparison because it's like there's a there's there's evidence, there was an investigation. It's like it's there. She was put in handcuffs, she went to a fucking detend she was in custody. Yeah, Erica was not charged with a crime exactly. This is

completely in a different league. Like she's a fucking criminal and a harmful, vicious one at that. And this is what I said, praying on vulnerable people. Yes, so so when they showed when Meredith was like, it didn't bother me that the bag got stolen, it bothered me that she kept someone who stole from my store on her staff. Because Jenshaw doesn't care about moral character. She cares about loyalty.

When you were loyal to someone who has no moral character, Like, there's no question her and her entire group are criminals. They're dangerous. These women need to separate themselves from her immediately. It's not like Erica, where it's like, you know, there's some question about whether or not the women should have on Beverly Hill should have been worried. It's like, no, this is really fucked up, and a lot of these

women do business with each other. Yeah, I kind of you're saying, hey, there's a writer or die friend for better or for worse. It's only for worse for me. Where it's like, I think you're really but I would do it for you. I would. I would. I would do it for you. I really would. And you're a very bad criminal, but I would do it for you too. But I was gonna say that neither of us would

do this. But if I would not come to this because we we would not do this because you and I I know, I know that you have moral bitch you are you are actually a moral icon. So true, so true, and likewise, thank you. We're both we're both winking. We're both winking at each other so much our eyes are gonna find I think we're I think we're morally we're both morally we are not the morally cored up

to fare. We are morally sound going young and Matt Rogers but on the on the watch What Happens Live episode and he was like, wow, like you're really like going hard for Heather goes. You know what, this is how I want to show up in the world. That's a good friend. And I was like, all right now. Now she's done. I mean, like, all right, congratulations to head there. She got the Rihanna follower in the first season,

but now it's all over. That is a thing. Whenever they're like, your life's amazing, Rihanna, DM do, I'm like, girl, that means nothing. It means nothing. I means she got stoned one nine and was this She's like, I'm famous enough to DM any woman I see on TV and have them like freak the funk out, Like that's just that's that's more of a Rihanna thing than it is a youth thing. So for Heather, I'm just like, oh, you are really not doing this well. You don't understand.

Unfortunately to use this phrase the assignment and Whitney is really I fucking love that chills. I have the chills. I'm numb. I'm numb numb when she goes. I mean I had a sugar daddy. She her timing and just everything she's done in confessionals from those so like the act outs to the jokes like she's I don't think I don't even think like anyone's like writing this ship for her. I think she's just like a funny, smart, quick person. Clearly, Like on the bus, she was just

kind of like schooling all these fucking women. And she's got everyone pressed because she's in conflict with Mary and Lisa and has been in it with Jim. She's actually right at the center. She's right, that's the center, and it's it's it's it's queen behavior, it's queendom, it's it's queendom. Between between her and Meredith, they are not they are contenders for next year's Queendom Award. They're actually when Whendy comes on the pod, which will happen, she will she

will receive the Queendom Award. That's if that's like if that like is like a bait that I can throw out there, Whitney, if you come on the show, you'll win the Queendom Award. You will win the Queendom Meredith, Meredith, Meredith Mars will also win the Queendom Award. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

yeah yeah, she's honorary Queendom. By the way, when are we doing the why Well, it's sort of like a it's sort of a really good question, and I think later maybe it's a maybe I think I know you're saying later in a way that is a fun, you know, tease for the readers. But I feel like it might be a year end thing, possibly, I think so, I think, who can say? You know what I mean? We certainly can't say. We can't say, and yet we're the only ones who can say, And so that's sort of where

we're at. What I will say is that I have not read the nominees in a while, and I'm married, and I'm stressed that I will read these again and be like, well, none of this. Here's here's what I would say about the list of nominees. It already doesn't hold up in an iconic way, and um, why why, wait, what are you talking about? Specifically? I think that our nominations leader isn't actually a lot of real trouble, and we send a lot of well wishes her way, and

hopefully she returns to public life soon. But I don't think it would be in good taste to do the last cultu Risco's Culture Awards while our nominations leader seems to be in flux in her personal life and such a fashion. Are we saying and yes, I echo, are the well wishes you've just put out there? Absolutely are we saying that we cancel. I'm saying, I'm saying we haven't made that decision yet. But if we're waiting on our nominations, Lee, are our nominations leader to get better?

I don't know that we can expect that in the sh think I think that we will have an off camera discussion, off reader Mike discussion about this because I think I think there's a way we can salvage it. And it's iconic, okay, and it's actually I think we needed to do all the time. But but moving on, let's just say in terms in terms of people that if we're talking culture before we get to I don't

think so, honey, and sort of do that. If we're talking culture and people that we wished well and that we were concerned for, Let's just say the conservatorship is over, Britney Spears is free, and I think as a public that we can just and I think everyone is thinking this, we just cannot repeat old mistakes. I think we just

leave this woman alone. Leave her alone. She never wants to perform again, that's her prerogative, Okay, come on, I think there is something to maybe investigate with the current boyfriend you potentially, I mean, maybe like I just let's just like, I don't know, but if she seems happy, I think what I want now is to just give her her full autonomy do whatever the hell it is. And by the way, it's fiance and we will see

where the where the chips fall. But for right now, I'm like, it's important that we at least give her a fucking chance. So we're giving her the chance. And it's not even it's not even up to any of us to be like she deserves a chance. No, that's what this whole thing was about, Like, let's take our fucking opinions out of it, Let's take our judgment and voyeurism out of it. She's a human being who deserves to do whatever the hell she wants. And you know,

unfortunately we will all see what happens. But fortunately she's given that opportunity. And that's how I feel about it at this time. Do you want a morning show plot update? Yes? I always do. What are the third graders writing this time? The third graders are yet again on one. So if you last heard is the teacher? Are they are they

still even at school? Are they meeting up? I feel like this is what are you're about to tell me is gonna be so crazy that I'm like, well, they must be meeting up at like you know, fucking Tanners house or something, eating pizza, just like just really going crazy. The teachers on the room. Like last time you gave me the update was like the teacher left. I think the teacher left, and I think comes back to the

classroom drunk. I think the teacher leaves. I think the teacher leaves during the day, gets drunk at Applebee's at the bar during the day. It comes at the end of the comes at the end of the day and read what they've written, and it's like, this is the Greg you kid, I love you guys, great writers, and I think that that is the only explanation for what has gone down on the show. But the kids aren't even at the school anymore, is what I'm saying. There's

no there's the rules are the rules? The rules keep falling away, Okay, so tell me. It's like when you get excited about a project to school and you actually are excited enough to take it home and work on it. I think what you're I think what you're saying is they're drunk. Teacher is giving them affirmations and they're really excited, and they've worked themselves up into a frenzy to the point where they can write two weeks ago that Steve

Carrell drives off a cliff. Steve Carrell is dead. So they actually there was a great episode last week, which is them all reeling from the news that Steve Carell is dead. And I actually left last week thinking, Okay, this actually is a good episode. I'm I'm with it. Jennifer ANSTI continues to do great work. Here's the thing. No one's doing bad work on the cast. Everyone's doing great work. Okay, it is the writing that's a zoo in the best way. I mean, this is my favorite show.

I literally I look forward to it every week. A lot happens on this last episode. Jennifer Aniston basically gets canceled because it comes out that she fucked Steve Correll a couple of times and then went to Italy to go see him and write out COVID. So no, no, so they don't. So again, this is a world where Jennifer Aniston, knowing that Italy is a hotspot, flies to Italy, goes to Steve Correll asked him to debunk a rumor that they had sex. He's like, so you want me

to lie. She's like, yeah, I want you to fucking lie. Then they have like a whole night together. They don't sleep together, but it's very clear that they are in love and made for each other. She ends up leaving, falling asleep with the wheel and needing to pull over. You think maybe she's gonna get into a car accident. No, it's Steve Correll who drives off a cliff and dies. She flies to America, gets off the plane and is told immediately upon landing that he's dead. So she has

a breakdown, goes to his wife's house, apologizes. On the way there, has a huge fight with um duplas. That was iconic. They're just screaming each other in the car and then the sound cuts out, so we're just watching them have meltdowns. Iconic. Oh, they do that when films and TV do that. Yeah. So Jennifer Aniston gets to Steve Carell's wife, who's Mbeth David's, and tells her I wanted to tell you this is about to come out in the book, and also, by the way, he's dead.

She's like, okay, thanks for telling me, and then she's like, I want to apologize, and she's like, you knew me, you didn't have to fuck him, and she's like, it only happened twice, and she goes, oh, only twice, and she's like, get the funk out of here. Jennifer Aniston's back is hurting. She she you can tell she has so much stress that's it's carrying up in her back. She can't believe her life. So she comes back from

Italy and it is fully working in the morning show studio. Okay, So meanwhile everyone's there, Julianna margin Lass in the throes of a lesbian level fair with a k a. Bradley Jackson who used to be Bradley Jackson, but now it's fully just Reese blonde hair, Reese with this accent. Raley Jackson's kind of gone, but we still stand and we still love it. Her and Julianna Margatie's have about six percent chemistry, but we are buying them as lesbian lovers

because we have to. We have to. So Reese's alcoholic brother played by Yes Sarah Barellis's husband, the guy from Mayor vest Town. Oh he's so good. Joe Tippett great great actor. He drunkenly shows up. He's relapsed. He embarrasses her at work and she puts him in a rehab and has to walk away. And that's actually affecting stuff. Okay, So Jennifer Aniston in a book published by Marsha Ka Harden, it's it's come to light that she fucked Steve Carrell.

So it looks like she's not going to be canceled. But then footage of her admitting that she went to Italy to go see him leaks because she said she announces this at Steve Carrell's memorial, and of course someone was filming it at this small memorial, it leaks online. How could she not know that? Whatever? Alright, so she didn't know the third graders are on one. There's a lot of bait and switch in like the last ten

minutes to the episode. So she wakes up in a cold sweat one night and she looks at Twitter and she's being canceled on Twitter. Furious, she goes to run over to get her phone or something, trips on a shoe, hits her head on the desk, wakes up in a hospital.

They say surprise. We says to you, you have COVID and she goes ah and clutches her head, and then it cuts to the rest of the hospital, which is like obviously going crazy with COVID, and you basically leave the episode knowing that she's exposed her entire call it her entire workplace, and all the cast that we know in love to COVID, they all definitely have COVID. That's how we are going into the tenth and final episode

of season two. In the Morning Show, Jennifer Anderson has brought Jennifer Anderson is a super spreader who brought COVID back from Italy after Steve pro Dove buff a cliff and she trips or her fucking lubaton, hits her head on the desk, wakes up with COVID in the hospital and now mama, it's March thirteen. The worst part is she's canceled. She's canceled, canceled, canceled. Can you do your impression of her finding out that she has COVID again?

She goes not just so she wakes up in the hospital and she oh, who's Her head hurts and she goes and her phone's ring and she goes hello, and they go hey, sorry about what happened. She goes, oh what happened? They go, you hit your head. We know your assistant is not there because she can't be there because not allowed in the hospital. What am I canceled? And they go, yeah, sorry about that too, but it's really sorry about the other thing. She goes, what what else?

And they go, they did a test. You're positive for COVID nineteen. And she goes and she like burrows into her pillow and like I think, covers her head with the pillow, and the camera pans over the rest of the hospital in a frenzy. The third graders are giving everything they could give. It's it is my favorite show. I have to really commend the third graders for the bait and switch of you think it's Jen who's going to drive off is going to have an accident, but

classic classic. I think I think I think that I think the third graders just watched the season six finale Greys Anatomy, when you think it is about to die but then you find out it's George instead. I think it's very that. I think I think that I think the teacher who was drunk showed everybody that episode and I see Sometimes you can have one character that you make people think it's going to die, but really it's this other character who out of nowhere dies. I think

that's the class. You know, what's happening. The third graders are using their imaginations, and I think it's a testament to imagination. The Morning Show is a testament to imagination. It's actually a real culture. Number say in the one The Morning Show. The Morning is the testament imagine nation. Absolutely king, that is what's happening on the Morning Show. Um, I am absolutely devastated that next week is the final episode. It is my favorite show on television, and I will

be devastated when it's over. But the good news is I can watch it again and again, and I will. You can watch it again and again, and there will be other shows that you will love. I promise you this a lot of great shows coming out, lots of good stuff coming out, and films I heard being The Ricardo is actually good, Okay, great. I can't wait to see it. I can't wait. Is it time? Unless there's nothing else, I think that it might be time for I don't think so, honey, I think it might be right.

I think so, honey, So I don't think so honey. Is that woman a segment that we do when we read have to get something in culture for sixty seconds and I have something. I am so excited you have something. Let me pull up the clock. This is Matt Rodgers is I don't think so honey. As time starts now, sorry, I don't think so honey. Karaoke. So Sudie Green had Alanic birthday party the other night where we did karaoke, and unfortunately, as you can hear in my voice, that

is completely gone. I don't think so honey karaoke. There is not a healthy way to do it. There is not a circumstance where you can leave feeling good physically about the way your throat feels. So another thing is emotionally. It's always a question mark because karaoke you can't really hear yourself, so you don't know the vocals are good. I don't think so honey karaoke. There's always that one song you want to do that's not on the list.

I don't think so honey karaoke because sometimes the books are so big and you're flipping through them and you just simply can't find I can never decide what I'm gonna do. I don't think so honey karaoke because a lot of these karaoke places don't have their own alcohol to B y O B. So I don't think so honey that. I don't think so honey by B. Culture have things. I don't think so honey karaoke really, mainly because it has taken my voice and I want it back so that I can sing again. I don't think

so that's one minute. I'm so sorry, queen that it took something you love to do away from you. It is in theory fun, but it really karaoke culture is shouting culture, and that is harmful culture. It's self harm. Karaokee is self harm. That's role of culture. Number nine. Karaoke is self harm harm. And look, I have a lot of respect for what I would what I would term karaoke people. But I'm also very scared of him, because how you could put yourself in a state of

abuse again and again and again is shocking. I will say that I did see some stars at karaoke, Sudie Green and Amanda Shakman saying tell him by Seleen Dion and Barbara Streizing. I've never seen anything like it. It was amazing. They're the Selene and Barbara of our generation. Yes, those two. Yes, a manastructment is our Selene Barbara. I mean, it was so wonderful to see it so well matched. And I did have so much fun. And also I would say out loud, Sudie, I had so much fun

at your birthday. It was just the physical effects I felt afterwards that have me saying, I don't think so, honey. Karaoke and any of my best friends they could say, my birthday is that put this thing in here that you don't like doing, and I would be there, honey, to the bitter end. And I was there until when I am singing La La by Ashley Simpson, a song that no one can sing without getting hurt, and I'm

doing it. You sang the most dangerous song in the world, seven Rings, Seven Rings, and I was saying, La La by Astley Simpson is literally screaming, yeah, it's it's I mean, I I can't even try to do it right now because it's crazy. I also did careless whisper, I did um we we did wildest dreams, simply not in my key.

And that's that's another thing is it's hard to find a song in your key, and the fun songs you want to do as a gay man are we men's songs, and so you have to scream them and then you're hurting. I mean, I still take it over you giving La la because it feels like that Blades of Glory thing where it's like it's that trick that nobody has been able to do without killing the other person. You know, like no one's exactly do it a lot. You are. It's playing as war. It's that same sort of high

risk situation, and I commend you. I'm glad you're okay. We kind of sang La la as a group, which I think hurt everyone. You know. Actually I sang it and I could see everyone afterwards like everyone had been at war. They were all like rubbing their So it's like sort of like doing like like you know, with karaoke, there's always another song on the docket and you gotta just pick it up and keep moving. But it's tough

and it hurts, and sometimes birthday parties hurt. And I would do it for my sisters, and I would do it every time for my sisters. That's you are STU level loyal. I'm still I'm Heather Gay. I'm not here being like you're heading if Andy es, can you defend that studio a karake birthday? I said, yeah, I mean she wants to do karaoke. She enjoys karaoke, and I would. I would shout my way through any song and pay for it for two days, um every time, every time?

Who do you identify with the most? Now? Between the Salt Lake City Housewives, Lisa, I don't think you're a Heather. Yeah, you're Lisa Lisa. I'm Lisa and I wear it is a badge of honor. I think I might be Meredith. You are. We are at least you are huh. We are at Lisa and Meredith and your friendship one is like cool one is doing a little bit too much. Ultimately, if there's ever a conflict that they're going to get through it. You are a fashion icon. I do want

to just huge huge TETs. One has gorgeous, humongous TETs. You have that low you have that that low voice, the lang vocal sort of quality. Yea, and my kids one day, if I have them, are going to exist on a combination of McDonald's del Taco and RBS, and they're gonna start a business about wolves. I don't like it's like a it's like a it's like yeah, it's like it's it's like it's like grooming products. And I heard it's pretty good. Actually, okay, I gotta get some

fresh here. I am spending five at Only Home Essentials. I gotta buy some fresh Wolf. I think I would enjoy it. I'm gonna do a product review. I will say this to Wendy stuff. I'm so excited she's coming on. The only Housewives product I've bought is one I have. I've not bought Brooks Marks, I have not bought fresh Wolves, haven't bought any you know Lisa Reynist stuff or you know. I I really God, I loved you stuff of so much. I can't say the same. In terms of product consumption.

Of course, I have the Brooks I wish I was some more. I bought all of Dr Tiffany Moon's candles O hers are fun. They're really good. And I have I'm drowning any products. And I it's not that I don't want Karen Hugo products. It's that it's specifically lad doom and I don't have a doom apartment. I have an on homos and that's just you have more owner. Yeah, this is time for you. Are you ready? This will be your second. I don't think so many of that episode.

I'm so excited this is Bone Yang's second. I don't think, so honey. As time starts now, I don't think, so honey, having fun because I'm not having that right now and I haven't had it in a very long time. Even though I've had lovely moments of you know, going to Ohai with my friends, laughing at work, meeting people I love at work, having that opportunity at work, I'm not having fun. I will say, maybe it is like a

winter doldrums thing. This is a sad I don't think, so honey, And maybe it's not one that we post on Instagram. Who handles our social media and who edits are lovely? I don't think so honey. Videos. We love Spencer so much, He's iconic. Um, I'm just, you know, in the words of Stephanie Germinata, I'm not having fun tonight, and tonight is a long time in my and my sort of um clock, So yeah, I would love to have fun at some point soon. I haven't felt real joy in a long time. I did go on a

good date this week, a couple of good dates. And that's that. Tell us about that, tell us about, tell us about you're a good day. I'm gonna be at gel Briant say. I don't want to say too much, but it was lovely and you know, you know, to have this, to have a good date on the week of Red Taylor's version Begin Again, incredible, It's begin again. It's begin again. It's treacherous, it's stated grace. It's I'm like, well and well, no, no, no, I just it timed

out really well. Yeah, it sounds like it will day. It was a great day. I love good dates. I was like, whoa, I really didn't think this could happen again. We love it. I feel vulnerable sharing that. That's okay. You know, you know when you express vulnerability, see, that's the vulnerability that the judges are looking for. And when you express vulnerability, we feel like we know you, and

that's what we want. We want the connection. We want to know that that person on the other side of the screen, whether there are a million miles away, that they're a little bit more like us than we thought. And we think the number one, we think, we know he's funny. We want to know he's real. You you are RuPaul. I could step into RuPaul drag if you will, very easily, because I think Rue is really one of

the most influential people in pop culture. When you say absolutely does a little culture number seven, Rue is one of the most influential people about culture. Oh my God, and now, Matt, Oh, the way you've lifted my spirits warmed my heart on this cold, cold night in my apartment. I you always cease to amaze me. In the words of Little Mama on America's Next Best Dance Crew, that's my job as your clown best friend, Babe. I'm I say you smiling and laughing, and you were not doing

that at the beginning. And at the beginning, big old check mark, you are not. You are not obligated to do that with me. That is my joy to do that. Well, as long as you're happy, then I'm happy. But I don't want you to ever feel like work for you that you have to like get me, get me lifted up like you always I I will always be happy when I see you and talk to you. You don't have to put there's you don't have to put any effort in. I'm just happy to see my very good friend,

my best friend, even Matt Rogers. That's so kind, and I'm always so happy to see you. I want to know. I'm checking on your well being right now. Do you have a space heater? No, not even space or I don't know. I'll they're probably look at it tomorrow morning. I hope it will be resolved by then. But tonight I'm gonna like really fucking layer up under the covers or something. Why don't you get a hotel? Hotel? No, I'm not. I was gonna do work. I was gonna

do that last night. But tonight I maybe I'll do that. Do it. Get a hotel close to work, or order room order room scurce for yourself tonight. If I was you, I would go over there like and do like a late night moment and just turn around for myself real close to work, have so that you can walk. It could be kind of fun. I'm just snabe. I'll consider I'll consider um anyway. Well, I loved this episode. We covered a lot covered Tay Laura. That's hey, Laura, brav

X Tay Laura will. We absolutely love what you've done, Adele. You are coming, so is Wendy. Gag. The fact that the most the most thrilling part of this episode happened in the middle. Matt can confirm that Wendy is my favorite. Oh yeah, you've been saying. And when you levied the accusation that I was not firmly team Wendy, I was like, no, I said, in the words of Wendy, I said, baby, let me correct the record. I am teams And when I'm sorry, I'm sorry that I am so excited I

can't even tell you if it's next week. Fuck yeah, Well we will let everyone know. We will let everyone know, but trust and believe we will craft a very good episode. We will ask her all the right questions, making fun, make it insightful. There's no way it won't be insightful when it's Wendy. I mean, Wendy just always always speaks truth.

She's the best, and she's got the book coming out that tears of my Mother, and she's got the line, and she's got the fucking Potomac reunion after a whole season that was great and what's gonna be so fun? Can't wait can't wait, baby, baby, baby, can't wait. We end every episode with a song two headlight shot, dude, less night, get you you keep changing keys? Do I glass going through my mind? I think you should think you should know that nothing thing is worth driving. Following

follow you are, follow you follow I love it. Bye bye,