"Barracuda Nights" (w/ Bob The Drag Queen)

for these podcast recordings. I'm in Brooklyn, New York. Everyone he's in town. He's communing with his parents. So get this. The hurricane, which name was Isaiah's. I don't know if that that s is silent, but yeah, let's let's go with that. Isaiah. The hurricane that just happened really rocked Long Island, y'all and sort of took the Internet away from my parents. Um and uh. So I have traversed into Brooklyn to record with Bowen Yang and we were in separate rooms doing that, and we really had a

wonderful time. Anytime I can see you, you know, the second you came into my apartment, we started putting on notes on a scandal. It felt like old times. We did start to watch Notes on a Scandal? Now why do we do that? Because we we got it in our heads that were actually a listener, a reader, damned Matt pitching the idea that we should do a reading of Notes on a Scandal. Yes, and as some like benefit function or something. And then we were like, that's

a great idea. But then in watching Notes on a Scandal, we thought this is not so great of an idea because it's very much a film and a reading of it would not go so great. So we thought, what's a play we could read? Yes, And so we're still exploring our options and when we'll let you know if we if we arrive at something. No, no, no, that's actually an untruth. We know exactly what play we're gonna read,

but we're not going to give it away now. We're not going to give it away here unless you want to. That's brutal. I think we should Okay, all right, some of the readers don't know this, but Bowen and bow and Yang and I wrote a play. It's called Night Soap, Night Soap. We did it at Ours Nova, did Ours

Nova years ago. It was Bowen and Yang and I actually it was we were fully in drag Ruby Rue shout out to Ruby Rouge, shout out Ruby rou head to toe Giche so that we could do a show called Night Soap, which is a play in three acts. And it was basically a high point of Bone Bone

and his artistic career. I had never had that much fun, like writing something and then like realizing it and like just fully like start to finish, like have it sort of actualized, and we read it again tonight when we realized, like the notes on the scandal is not gonna work, and we're gonna do it again soon. I don't know, I don't understand your hesitance. Well, I feel like we I feel like we have other logistical things to like nail down before before we start to like announce. But no,

this is great. I love this sort of you mean, such as a date and time and everything like that. Yes, yes, yes, you know. I want to firm up those details before we make an since. But I'm happy that we're doing it now. I really am. The readers should know we're gonna do a live reading of Bowen and Ice play Night Soap where we are too warring. What would you what would what is the lot of the show. We're two warring matrix of chocolate empires. It's very much. It's

like war Paint meets Dynasty meets Dallas. That's the elevator pitch. Um, it's really fun. We're really you know. We read it back and it's it's it still makes us laugh. So hopefully we'll remount it for everybody. Um, but gosh, what else? Oh, I famously everyone knows. I try to get Matt three books. Matt texts yesterday goes. I finally read a book. I read a book. You guys. Okay, So my I'm spending time with my parents and they have no internet. So

there was a book around the house. It was Mary L. Trump's book. So this is the niece of Trump and it's her book, which is too much and never enough read it a thrilling read. You liked it. I did like it. You have it, you had You had a

lot of takeaways. I have tons of takeaways because I feel that people have not in trying to understand him, which is kind of a lost cause whatever, but you could sort of start to understand what we're dealing with here by looking at his development and the man had a psychopath father, so basically the guy had no capacity for human empathy, etcetera. So donalill never learn that. And so what we're dealing with now is someone who learned how to be a quote unquote killer in business from

his father. And I don't know, just just not to expand on this much further if you don't want to read the book whatever, I get it. Some of some people might think there might be different, Um, I don't know what would you call it intention behind her writing the book, But basically it's interesting in understanding what we're

dealing with here. Well what's interesting? I mean you were telling me about this, Um, we don't have to get too too deep into it, but you were saying that one of the things that Mary says is that it's wild and sort of dissociated and unsettling how we're all sort of catering to one man's identity, catering to one

man's identity and whims and all this stuff. And it's like, oh, yeah, that's so frat like, that's what a what a what a wild sort of inversion of the way this country is like supposed to work if we're all just like confected with like one person's behavior. It's it's terrifying. Do you know what I think is so funny too? Before we introduce the guests, which is truly in my moment, cut history, let me just say one thing. Anyone that's like, yeah, well,

she's just trying to sell a book. Here's the thing about when you write a book, you wanted to sell, you want people to read it. So anyone that's like, she just wrote this book to sell a book, yes, that that's part of that's that's how this works. You write a book. Now, when I write a book, I wanted to not sell. I wanted to be like Max Biale stock producers. I don't want it to sell at all. Interesting point I hadn't thought about. No, I know, I know what you're saying. Look, I read a book. I

found it interesting. If you want to read it, to go fucking do it. If you don't, I don't care. What makes me matter is that this is a book. That this is not one of the books that I've told you to read. I have many books that I want you to read, and you not read a single one. No, my next book I'm gonna arenas trick Mirror. It was just gonna it was gonna come weeks weeks weeks weeks weeks in the future, and this was a book that was right in front of me. But I have a

I have a good solid list. But here's the thing. I don't want anyone to do anything other than listen to this next podcast for the next hour or so, because this is somebody that law s cultures, this is honored to have. Well, this is somebody that we have.

I know it's a little too recent to say this, but I feel like there's there's a place that you and I and a lot of other New Yorkers, let's say, can be like we can talk from a place and reminisce from a place of like, gosh, remember the days of Barracuda, Like Monday nights at midnight, which means that which meant that, like our guest would showup at one o'clock to do her her show and she would give you like stand up like bits and jokes and like the house down boots and then go into like the

most genius mixes and like we would go and it was just this like event every week to like go see Bob. It was such it was such a jool for a lot of people. I think at the time, I'd say the peak of a peak of being in New York and gay in New York would be in terms of like our friends like going to see Bob the Drag Queen perform Monday nights at midnight at veracou To Lounge, which I got to tell him that I was a fan of when he did my show Game Show several months ago, which came out on Quimby. You

can watch it if you want. It's out there, and I think that Bob the Drag Queen's episode with Darcy Carton is one of my very favorites. But basically, I do remember when we had been going to see Bob the Drag Queen perform every Monday night at midnight at Vercood Lounge. All of a sudden, one day Bob wasn't there, and we knew exactly where Bob went, and we knew exactly how that would go, and it did come to pass, and the rest was, as they say, her story, her story,

So everyone, please welcome to your ears. He's a drag artist, an activist, um an Emmy nominated it on an Emmy nominated show, We're Here and RuPaul's drag race for that match which we happen to watch just hours ago, and treading tears. Fantastic. Everyone, Please welcome to your ears the drag queen. Those are such nice things you all said about man. Well, there are things that we feel. I don't know you felt so warmly. We feel so warmly.

You know, there's no shame in listening to books. I think it's a stigma that were listening to books and I read really slowly. I just, for whatever reason, I just read really slow slowly. I can't read it like when I'm whenever I'm watching the TV, and then like the words come up, like the apologue or the prologue or something, and the words I started panicking. I'm like, no, no, no no, no, no, it's gonna be gone. And then everyone else like got it, and I'm like I need

I like pause. I'm like, my brain just doesn't work that way. Or if I read, I fall asleep a lot of times. For some reason. The only place I can read and not fall asleep is on the New York City subway, which is probably from an eight fear of being stabbed. Um. But I have started listening to books and it's a really great way to get the information, and you can just do so much stuff. The multitasking

is real. Yeah, I gotta do it. The thing is, I've always been such a music person, and also I have trouble committing to anything long form, Like my boyfriend has the hardest time getting me to commit to any movie, Like I can't even watch a movie that's like over an hour and a half. But um, yeah, I mean I need to do it. I also think there's something nice about just holding a book in your hands, of reading a book, which I was enjoying and not that

old school. I don't have any nostalgia for books every people like I just love. I think books are kind of a waste of resources in space. I look at the library and I think, oh my god, all the books in this library could be on like five iPads. Meanwhile, this big building, there's like eight five homeless people living on this block, and huge building could have been used

for something a little bit more resourceful. And I understand that libraries and more than just books are also computers and resources citizen, but I'm saying, what about those books? You can make room for more resources. There we go, and also said, let's face that some of those books are never getting read, not ever in their goddamn book life for someone that said, right now, you just read those old books. Yea, And I want to single handedly take down the book. It's a lonely fight taking down

the book, the paperback in the hardcover book industry. But someone's gotta someone's gotta fight this fight. They're not good for the environment there and there they are found dead. I mean, my thing with with audio books is that I I find that I don't absorb the information as well as I should be. Like I feel like it's my ears glaze over and like sooner than my eyes or more easily than my eyes doing. I'm just like, okay, I'm just I can I can just detach from the

attention span. But I mean, I I see, I see value in both. I do want to um destroy libraries. Only private ones. The public ones can stay. But there's there's there's a huge there's a huge cropping of private libraries. Yeall, No, I totally that up. I told I was like, Connecticut is a private library. They will they went in Connecticut. Wait, but Bob, okay, talk about do you do you have I'm speaking of nostalgia. You're not You're not nostalgic for books?

Do you do you have a nostalgia for like barracu to days at all? I feel like those were like the day. Yeah, no, for sure, I really miss Barracuda UM. You know, so I just dragged before. I was Bot the Drag Drag under the name Kiding with a Whip for a really long time, actually maybe not really long,

like three or three or four years. I was Kidding with a Whip, and then I moved to Barracuda as Kidding with a whipping about like two months in I switched over to Bob the Drag Queen, and something just took off, something ticked, and then we just started loving it.

And you know, Monday Nights at Barracuda really legendary. Before Pemper Mean Pepperman hosted for six years, and before Pepperman, who was Candice Kane for ten years, for nineteen years, there had only been three host of Monday Nights at Barracuda UM and I ended up for three years before going on to Ree Paul's Drag Race. And it was just one of those nights that was just like it really taught me so much about stand up about myself, about myself as a performer, like it gave me a

real grounding connection to my community. And it was one at the back of the day, back in my game day when when you know, when if a queen got a show, Baracouda, she was. She was like one of the best guy damn drag queens in here. It was like a stamp of whether you were good or not. If you got a job Baracouda, everyone just assumes you were and then you can make up, make it up

later and figure out to be good. Yeah. The person the people who turned us onto you was our dear friends Josh Harp and Aaron Jackson, who I think I love them. Yeah, they're the best. We actually just saw Josh in the park. We just we just went out to the park to see Josh. But they were like, you have to come to Baracuta on Monday nights. And they were the funniest people that we knew because we came up at UCB and doing the whole improv thing,

doing sketch, etcetera. And they were the funniest guys that we knew. And they said, bar none the funniest comedy show in New York and they were they were agreed, they were not wrong. And this was at the height of like the sort of rumor mill circuit, like like this was like the legend at this point. It's legend, but like everyone just like the scuttle but being like, oh my god, like RuPaul was in disguise at Baracuta and tipped Bob a hundred dollars like can you believe it?

And like all this stuff like, well, the rumors were around ended up. Actually happened that RuPaul came to the Monster in the West village. Yes, yes, and she asked for me at the door. She was like, is Bomb the drag queen here? And um and then she but she didn't hip me. She's kind of hit in the back. Um. And you know that was what I was on a cruise ship once. Um was Zack new Towers. I do, Oh, yeah, we love Zack. Who's my roommate here in that late by the way, Yes, yes it is, but we we

were on this cruise ship. And then Katheen and Jimmy the cruise and saw my show and she was like, this is just the funniest show. You need to come meet me by the French fry. So I went to the buffet. I met him in the French fry and then she goes, have you ever thought about dinner post rag bread? I was like, mom, everyone thinks about dinner post drag bad. She goes, wait one second, and then

she calls a number, but no one answers. She goes, you didn't answer, But listen, RuPaul, I'm sitting here with some drag queen named Bob and she's gonna be the next winner of your show. Call me back. You want to know about this queen? Wow. So I got this verified actually because I was this is a long story, but a long story short. I ended up on What's the Two? I actually was on it with with Rue.

And before that, I was like, you know, I used to go see Bob like on Monday nights at Barracuda, and rup Rue was like, you know, I had been hearing all about Bob the drag Queen, and I knew I had to get down there. And I saw that show and I was ripped up. I thought it was the most amazing thing. And then Brew was also talking about how um around that time was when because I think it was season six, when to see that walk was like the song of the Runway, right, So yeah,

it's a great instagram. I was there. I was in the room. It was wild. Yeah, and so people were like basically the girls were like walking the runway too and rip and like cutting it up to to see that walk. I'll tell you the exact story. So RuPaul walks in with this big bubble coat and it's like bucket hat and asked the door the dermant is Bob is Bob the dragon performance and I and then it was like yeah. And then one of the bartenders was gay,

because you know, the dermot is always straight. Some bartender goes, oh my god, that's that's RuPaul and then runs downstairs. And then it's like, don't tell anyone to the manager, don't tell anyone, but RuPaul's here. And then the manager goes, oh my god, and then runs to me and says, don't tell anyone, as we're not that RuPaul's here. I said, oh my gosh. I ran to the DJ and I said, girl, don't tell anyone, but you should know RuPaul's here. That he goes, I'm gonna play he see that walk? I

was like, do not. He was like I'm gonna play it. Then you here, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, And then out of nowhere, all the QUI because they're a lot of dragons would show up to the look we and so they like kind of like a soul train in mine made they made an aisle and then all these

queens just started doing this. He said, walk and we started walking and dancing, and everyone's singing the song live and RuPaul is just in the back corner just listening to it, watching all of us like go off to this song. So Rule is under the impression that no one knew that Rue was there, and I kind of was. As he was telling me that, I was like, I don't know, You're very inconspicuous, and really the thing that the patrons didn't know, but everyone who worked there, which

is kind of best case scenario. That's the best set up for it. Anyway, It's like the audio planets will be in for a surprise. But as long as i'd like create anxiety for the performers, and N's like, do I get excited pressure? I work. I do really well under pressure. Um, I get really excited at the opportunity to perform or to be goofy or sillier to make someone that I look up to laugh, I'm like, when I'm a WHOOPI Goldberg, I was excited. I wasn't like, I hope, I don't think UM. I was like, I'm

gonna be hilarious to work with. Okay, that's I did not work with Whippy. Let's let's I don't want to give the impression Whop we did a movie together. I I have been like, Whoop Whoopy did the fifty anniversary to UH of the Riot and I was there for that, so she introduced me. But we didn't do a sister act or anything. And I went to her birthday party and I went to her to the view so we hung out of the time. But we have not worked together. I would I would say, I would say that there's

there's a semi professional capacity there. I mean we were both be we were both professionally paid to be there that evening, so in that regard, and we also both did UH Barclays for the product kickoff. Yeah, that was last last summer. Was a good summer. That was a good summer, wasn't it. What's wrong with this one? Well, there wasn't one. Um I will ask, were you as sure as we were as your fans that you would dominate that season of drag Race or how nervous were

you to go in there? Because season eight this was this was like after season six. Seven the show had hit like a peak in terms of like it was huge, like within the gay community. It had yet to hit like the season nine season ten levels of like everyone in the mainstream is talking about it. But this was a huge deal. But still you had to feel pretty good. I would think from watching seven was the first season

to be I mean nominating. I believe eight my season was the first season to win a Navy so we had just started getting buzz round my season calls drag Race. Those facts maybe a little off, but my season was almost the first season to win. And we want the best costume. Uh's ald the one best costumes? Um, it's all the yeah, and UM, I don't know even know it's all. That's all as an amazing uh fashion designer based out of l A or New York, one of

the two. Um, anyway, that's not the point. But you know, I've always had a really strange sense of confidence. I really think I'm really great at stuff. My mom always told me I could do anything except saying My mom with stuty that I could do everything except saying UM. And I believed her. My mom told me I was the best. I really believe it for a really, really long time. And that's also just kind of a demonstration and what it looks like when you would encourage your

children instead of like knocked them down. I mean, look at someone like g G. Good whose mom helps her and makes her costumes. She went on to be in the finals reposed drag Race. Let me tear your kids down. It's hard for them. Your parents can break you in a way that you can't, that you can't sometimes can't recover from. There a lot of work to recover from. And my mom really really built me up. And I'm just so lucky that that I ended up with Martha

called well in my corner. So when I got the call, I was pretty sure I had one drag Race this before. And then when I walked in and saw the competition, I was like, oh, I definitely yeah, because you had you had you had some competitors there. I mean, to be fair to the rest of them, like they were great competitors, Kim, I mean had thor as in Betty. Um, there are lots of amazing drag queens. I just think I just in my mind, I remember thinking myself, I'm

just more suited for this particular challenge. Not that I'm better than them, but in terms of what this required, I think I'm I think I'm suited better than they are. Well, you know, and people have pointed this out, but there was no development storyline with you. There was no thing of like Bob's come in and you know, there's he's got some work to do here. It's like that wasn't a thing. Well they tried to do like a um, Bob learns how to do makeup, but I just didn't

get any better. So they had to live stor go. But then you couldn't even just be with that, Like Bob like couldn't put together an outfit from like raw materials because like you did purst first on the first episode and then it's like right, but yeah, but you like you like made a look out of curtains and then like and then you were like, okay, well Bob

can so. And then Bob is a comedy queen, and Bob can you know, do all these different things and uh, the I mean historic snatch game where you did two people like it was just like it was a very it was a very blazing the trailblazing, trailblazing you. I mean. It was also one of the thing where I would go in instead of people like why did they let you do two snatch games? And I was like, I

didn't ask, just did it. I never asked. Everything wants they don't like it, they'll probably should stop down production and helping me to switch back. But in the meantime, I'm just gonna do it. I snugged, I snugged the Carol in under my prison uniform. Yeah, no way. As long as Ruin is laughing, everything goes like. I have talked to some gaze out there that are like because I've I've spoken with some gays, and very few of

them are like I've in speaking with gays. Very few of them are like, well, I think it should be one character the whole time. And I'm like, bitch, No, if you are being funny during snatch game and you're killing it and you can whip out another like ultr ego or another performance, you should do that. The whole thing is like a performance of comedy so well those days you said that Bob and diraculate is a professional disagrees, but also the real I would love to do that.

But also the thing is like, girl, I mean the rumbol always says, the only rule in snatch game is making me laugh. That's the only rule. Make me laugh. Just make me laugh. And I was like, well, I got that. That's that's I can do that for sure. Yeah, I mean the best, the best. And also I think people are now kind of annoyed at the idea of people switching it up, because now people are like now, now folks are like, oh, someone's trying to do that Bob.

Things kind of like when when after I saw she did the rose petals and then everyone in Asia does butterflies, and everyone's like, now it's too much. And I don't believe that you should be trying to do stunts. I think you should really think them through. I'm from New York City. We pull stunts in New York any all

the time. I used to go to see Georgy at the Wrist and a party calls Saliva every Tuesday, and I and I once saw a girl going forth the ship and apple out of her ass that was so if y'all things of butterflies are a stunt, bish come to New or City, you don't know what a stunts?

Go to this and that on a Wednesday night and see what a stunt it comes to the circus R T N T. I wonder if this is a thing that's specific within drag or within the queer community, as like the appraisal the appraisers of like any particular right form.

But it's like it goes so quickly from being something goes so quickly from being like innovative to being like a gimmick that I'm just like if if if more time can be afforded to like watch something be developed over a longer period of time without people writing it

off so quickly. Is like, I mean, the Asia thing was tragic, but I was I was kind of like thinking the back of my head like oh, but like I also wish that like if that was successful, that would have been kind of great, even though it didn't match any of those Janet Jackson songs, but like, yeah, it just did. It just did. It wasn't completely well thought out and maybe if she had like at least one hundred butterflies as opposed to like three or four.

But like, I don't think she realizes how many butterflies you would need to actually make an impact. Like I was in that dressing room when Sasha but Laura was putting those rose pedals in that wig. We were sitting literally side by side, and she was, what, you don't realize this. Actually it's a little behind the scenes te So Sasha had different numbers planned. She had completely different numbers. She had some scissors in her garter in case she

got crazy, which the other girls got. So she was gonna start cutting the wig up and do this whole crazy number. And then she had the rose petals in the wig for how I know? And I think she had one other thing was so she had a different number plan for both once. So it was that that was not just her. It wasn't her being like, no

matter what, I'm doing rose pedals. It was like, I'm doing rose pedals for specific She came up with a how would I know number, and then she came up with a crazy numb Yeah, she had a fully realized thing for both the Whitney and Brittany number. So another thing that I think people are not really thinking about when they say, oh, well, Saga had that stunt that was also an amazing lip sync and she was emotionally

keyed right into it. And I think whenever people reduced that to a stunt, I'm like, look at that woman performing about like she is right on the she is emotionally living it, and that like ripping of her wig off into the rose pedals, like worked with the lyrics, worked with the tone of this song like completely. She started off with saying does he love me? Does he love you? Now? You know he loves me? Loves me not? He loves me? And wouldn't us sit in the song

if he loves me? If he loves me not, then there's more roads in the sleeve and in more rooms. So it actually was a really cleverly uh. It was really well done. It was like she always does like it was. It was a performance piece, like it was fully realized. She and trying. She wasn't trying to against anyone.

She was just doing the number. Yes, yes, speaking of numbers, Um, let's talk about we're here, so we I was thinking about this today and I what I love about the show is that, um, it's not you Eureka Changela being of service necessarily to people. It's you guys are definitely I think you're all resources to be sure for everybody, for all the charges that um you sort of bring

in and and look over. But I feel like it's a show that's just about like performance, it's just about it's it's about expression obviously, but it's it's I like that it's a show where you're not like the end result is not like a furnished house or like a skin difference between this and like where I asked the last first of all the stuff we're giving them, it's completely unusable, like what are like, what are you? What

are you going to do with this fucking costume? Besides where maybe once a year and that's the first year is getting kind of old, you know what I mean? Like, what the hell are we are you gonna do with this?

Like you can't use this stuff is completely unusable. But we are making these really great connections with people and building helping them, build us as a community and amplifying the voices, especially when we amplify the voices of marginalized people, are like I can't get over Nate and Lady Shug. I don't know if you watched them all yet. But if you have not watched My Pet, you watched Farmington's Nate and Lady Shug from the Navajo Nation and ship

Rock in New Mexico. Beautiful. That was the Mrs Broder Frankenstein thing. Yeah, that was very Yeah, And people don't realize that me and Chancel and ere we come up with those numbers. There's there's no there's no team that that does them. Then we just act like we did it. No, we we we we choose the songs, we come up with the numbers, We go to the design teams, we explain the constant we want, we go to the set builders. We talked to her till the way outfit. We want

what what set we want? And we build each number. It's so conceptual. They're so conceptual. Um, and they're and they're wonderful. But yes, no, I that episode is so like I mean, I I kind of have this crazy, sort of like emotionless experience as a viewer for most things, but like they're I mean, I mean you really just

sort of get choked up. I mean, I just kind of put it in context with the fact that there are these communities in these parts of the country where you would where any coastal elite would think that like, oh, you know, like Twin Falls, Idaho is missing something that New York has. But it's like, but that's not necessarily true. Like there are these there are the people there to like build out these communities that would be in place anywhere else. Yeah, it's a microcosm of a microcosm. You know.

What it means of the world is asm of the real world. And then you have Twin Falls Adho, which is a microcosm of like a New York City drags and it's like a smaller version of it. And I think that it really feels great to be a part of something that feels really impact. We're not we don't we're not we're not mentors, we're not uh counselors. Were just people having connections with the people. And that sound

a little b cheap. People watched the show, you realize it really is what it is not a makeover show. We're not giving them anything that is actually usable. It's just us using this as a distraction to amplify the voices of trans people, queer people, black people, Asian people,

indigenous people. I wanted to ask just because It's been a long time since I ventured out of l A just because of the quarantine, and these past a few days, I've been on Long Island, which is obviously part of New York State, and so people think blue state and they kind of think, oh, it must be sort of liberal leaning. But on Long Island it is like I was taking a walk the other day and every other

house there was a huge Trump flag. It's really crazy, and I kind of felt like I was in the twilight Zone walking down the street because I'm like, what are people seeing that I'm not that they could possibly be in support of this ideology and this um administration. What does it feel like, UM, to be you and

go into these places. I know you've traveled a lot because of RuPaul's drag racing, because you're a successful drag artist, But is there a sense of like self consciousness or fear that you get going into towns like this and having the responsibility of being that person who's going to like help this person change their ideology. What does it feel like going and doing the show? Well, I mean, I'm from a red state, UM, so I'm not from New York City. I wasn't raised in New York City

or anything I was. I was born in Georgia. I was raised in Georgia, Alabama, Mississippi. UM, so I'm not a complete stranger to being a liberal in a red area. Um. And even my theater program when I was in college was like this, like weird Republican theater theater pro Republican

theater program, Republican theatergra Look. I remember being in the green room in my college, like it's like it's like about theater lounge at my college and like arguing about like George Bush versus like I can't remember who it was at the time, maybe John Carry yeah, um, and and being like yeah, al grand laws one before it was John Carry yeah, and just kind of like arguing with this guy was like much older than I was and way more articulate than I was, and really ruined,

like pummeling me that he was like a grad student and I was like eighteen, Like yeah, but he's that thanking and that that kind of thing. Um. But I also realized too, when you live at these people, because I've been really obsessed. I've been in girl these YouTube like k holes, like you just watch YouTube, Well it's it started. It actually all started with talk to You

Westbrother so many times. And now there is this YouTube genre that it's just YouTubers doing videos about other YouTube and there are these YouTubers who do documentaries about YouTubers. It it's in. I mean, like, there's this YouTube naim and watch everything like I'm obsessed. Anyway, then I started getting into this whole Trump or YouTube thing, and I realized that all those folks are they what they are

doing is they're operating from fear. I don't think that the goal they have is completely different than the goals I have, but the they're operating out of a place of fear. They feel like they're losing something, and quite frankly, in order for all of the people in America have more equality, the people at the top have to start losing power. The people up here have to get rid of something. For the people down here you have something because power is finite. That didn't power is an infinite noe,

bitch is not. There's an infinite number of jobs, there's an infinite number of money, there's an infinite number of food, there's an infinite number of houses. So for the people at the bottom to have more, the people at the top half to start giving up more and they realize that and it's scary. But then also the people who are down at the bottom were being used, and they think, these smoking, poor white people in Alabama, don't they realize Trump is not for you. Married Trump just signed an

executive order to to like demolish social Security. Now you are in your you're sixty four, You're about to hit the fucking limit, and they think, you know, you want to have some security because you voted yourself out. And then I realized that Trump's not not actually acting in their interests as much as they think. And then I mean, I don't want to do a whole but positive now

we're happy to talk about it. It's just it's just crazy to me because it's exactly what we're saying, Like I'll say on this podcast because I know because some of my cous listened to and I will take this risk. I have two ants and one of them is high income and one of them is lower income, middle class

to lower income, and they both support Trump. Do you think that the one who's low income thinks she might be the one who's high income, but she doesn't know how much your other art makes she like, wait, so it so makes more than me. I think it's more cultural than that. I think I think once it gets obviously, once it gets to the middle lower income, it must be a cultural thing or like a spiritual thing or a religious thing, because what else could it be, Because

you're literally voting in your her own malinterest. Because what happens is Trump what he does is he panders to other fears they have. For example, Trump will get up there, Trump will talk about like, let's say, the liberals will say something like, we just want to make sure that everyone gets healthcare, and then Trump will get on the platform and say something like, We're not gonna be having you pay for other people health care. And as a reminder,

I believe strongly in the second Amendment. Right, whoa whoa right? Right? What do you like? Throw those little things in there? Yeah,

we're talking about healthcare, who's talking about who's talking about guns? Sure? Sure? Well, because because there was some like Leach memo where they were considering using just because the poll poll numbers or something for Trump that the team that the campaign team was considering using quote unquote transgender sort of this is the new talking point as just as a wedgiess ship, which is like, okay, so this is this is the

game and all, this is the playbook and all. So before I forget, but yeah, your whole social Security example, it's like, oh, well, Mary also turns out that she is in favor of social Security and so that's like a natural literal like social program and so like it's like it's like you're it's like no one knows what their interests are and people think that, like when people don't realize they think that this like this social Security is like some random government money. No, that is money

you paid for. You're supposed to get it back. And Trump is trying to just take it and to be like I'm gonna keep We're gonna keep it and use it for something else then you didn't approve to do, but now we're gonna. But now we're gonna switch at

the very last minute. So when you're able to do stuff like ignite, uh, like if these people think that Trump genuinely has any truck, doesn't give a funk Trump Trump probably doesn't hate trans people, but he knows that he can say something about them and then get his base fired up, and then he can use that fodder to then go ahead and make it seem like then get them all riled up so they don't know that he's trying to do the Social Security or he'll he'll

get up there and he'll say something that to a complete distract Trump's Trump's values are clearly not Christian. Then he runs on this like I'm super Christian. He says stuff like, no one loves the Bible more than me. He said those words with his arm. He said, no one knows more about building walls than I do. If that's true, let's put you in a fucking fill with brick and more than watch you build the walls, as you know so much about it. Also, your wall is failing.

A big chunk of your wall fell over because of strong wind. I couldn't believe that. So how great are your walls? Donald? They're not the metaphor was wild. They're not kind of crete. Parts of them are just bars. You know what I mean? Naomi small because Naomi smalls can slip through the cracks of someone that's sucking walls. Naomi walls could bend over backwards. Now we know and wall exactly the bad bending of it all. That was a new trick exactly. So I'm like, girl, don't even

like it. But it is a when when you payander to people. But all so, I don't want for even one second to people believe that the left are the only people pandering. I think they certainly nailed it and they've gotten better at it, and there are people are much more receptive to it. But over on the on

the right, they'd be pander into Hillary Clinton. We're talking about hot sauce in her bag, and Joe Biden was talking about it if you if I ain't black, both of me, you ain't black, And I'm like, no, no, I mean, look, it's it's all a mess, and we're dealing with decades of mess, and I feel like it's a very recent awareness that that a lot of people

have about how fucked up it is. And I think we're, like I said to my dad the other day, I was like, you know, it's a we're trying to talk about what could possibly be any of the positives out of the situation. And I know, for me, I there will never be another mid term. I will ever skip local election. I will ever skip And I do think there is like a such a greater awareness of you know, what our responsibility and our rights are as American citizens, so at least that, but you know, it's so thinks

so much too about um, I don't know. This whole election is gonna really robbly well up in a way. It's really odd. Like I'm not really here to like shame anyone for their smarts or anything, but I am. But I do think I'm allowed to say whether that someone is qualified for their job or not. I mean, based on my little experience of just being an American.

But like when the president goes into it really is embarrassing when the President says stuff like well, we're we have Like when when he's on the Axios interview and he's he says, we have less cases of corona than the world. I know if you all heard him say that. He goes, we have less cases in the world, and they're like, yeah, because we're included in the world's corona count. When he goes, when the interviewer goes, we have the

most cases by percentage like based on our population. Goes, No, not that, don't do that, and he won't go back and say stuff like you know what, guys, everyone freeze, I said, this was no more danger than the flu. I need to take that back. That is absolutely completely false. I misspoke that. It's not true. This isn't killed almost almost two people just in America alone. We have almost

five million cases in this country. Roll it back. It is more dangerous considering that this is the this disease, this sickness has killed more people, more Americans in the Vietnam War, I would say it is dangerous. Yeah, let's take up No, no, no, yeah, I think we'll just take a quick break. And then, you know, I think

I think we're gonna take a quick break. Okay, and only because the queen said so, well, we're right back, okay, so we in fact our back and at this point, uh, Bob the drag queen, we would like to ask you the question that we ask all of our guests, each and every single one, and Bowen, what exactly is that because I forgot Oh no, Matt, you shouldn't forget, Bob. What is the question is what is the culture that

made you say culturists? For me, this is a formative piece of pop culture, could be a movie, a book, a person, an area, like anything at all. And and you didn't forget that. I happen to choose one. No, it can mean you know what, it can be whatever you want because we're let's let's talk. Well. I had a few moments for me. A big moment for me growing up was, um, like just the culture surrounding Whoopie Goldberg direct, hearing her in Lion King, watching her ghost

Karina Karina long walk Home. I like seeing someone on TV who looked like me, we didn't have eyebrows like me, who was dark skinned like me, being told that she was amazing, being awarded practically every ward you can get an entertainment and I mean unless you, I would not get a Soul Train award or something, so she'll have them all. Um, were you familiar with her One Woman show? Do you think I just turned black and gay us today?

But I mean like as but I mean like as a young Jesus Chris yet, I mean it's like it's like a child. No. But in my in my college years, yeah, yeah, for sure, it was like the VHS vaults of the college and all that stuff. And of course once YouTube, when YouTube came out when I was in college, Um, I would get ahold of from over there. But like I just so like Lion King of Sister Act Sister Act two, Corina Ghost Long Walk Home, all that stuff,

all that whoopee content. I'm a huge like I just love Whoopie Goberg a lot um and also full full A genuine culture reset was RuPaul's Drag Race. Watching the season one of RuPaul's Drag Race, I saw someone on TV who I thought looked like me. It was Bbs Harbonnet. And everything that I thought was bad about me, black, faggotty, gay, fim like I felt, ugly, nappy hair, everything that I was told made me bad. I saw this person on TV being told that those were all the things that

actually made her really fat. Was that was being told that not not she wasn't great despite those things. She was great because of those things. And it's it's something that happened on We're here, Amelia. I think all the time. She said everything about me has been used against me at one point in my life, and that really stuck with me that I cannot forget those words. Everything about me has been used against me at one point in my life. And I was like, I relate to that.

But then she found this community of drag where they don't call her some fat dude, They say, go big girl. You know what I'm saying, Like everything that, like the fact that her baldhead became a symbol of beauty for her drag. You find a community that uplifts all the things that you were told made you garbage and you find out that it actually makes you gold. Yes, yeah, amazing. And what what was it like when you first met BB?

We've met BB and it was everything we could ever Oh and the first time I mean meeting BB is a combination of magical, remarkable, and exhausting. Yeah. For those of you who don't. Who don't aren't familiar with BBS Harbona, but maybe you are a later Dragon's Watcher. BBS Abone was Valentina before Valentine was Valentine. Someone who really feels the fantasy, like she made her own rules about existence. She everything she's saying it is real to her. She

is an African queen. She is like she's wild, She's that in her ross singing a circle of life. That's who by is. I used to so addresses for her. Oh that's right, you did addresses and I would get something. Ever ever told this, But I'm telling who cares I was st of these dresses and I was like a gown and I would go. I never saw anyone besides her best Her roommate was my best friend at the time, so I saw in her dresses, but just because we were friends, like, I'll show you dress, I love you.

I saw a bb AD dress and I was like, I don't know what to charge for this. She was she's so cheap. People was like, hey, baby, listen, I will do all of the embroider be myself. I'll do all of the storing. Um. I will give you. Yeah, he's at old dress fifty dollars. And granted it was the dress probably was not great. It was probably not a brilliant dress. But I made it. And I was like in my twenties. And she didn't say I think she did dog where she took that dress and she

called it a shell. She was like, you make the shell, and then I she was shut up, like bitch, I made you made. But but but she is one of the people that really inspires me and I just I love her a lot. I really think she's truly epic,

and I go, I am so happy. I mean, when when we discovered bb well, I mean we we would have rediscovered her along with a lot of other people, I think during All Stars three, and then it was just this thing of like, oh, right, like she she has she has sort of been crystallized in amber this whole time since season one and has basically been unchanged. And then like we just fell down this hole of just watching every single one of her music videos are amazing.

The Cameroon video is I mean to to to to recall this comparison. It is Diana Ross singing the Circle of Life. It is like pure beautiful, like her like dancing in some park in Minneapolis with like all these other people and then just her like truly like making love to the camera and like she's a star. She's a goddamn star. So the dress, the dresses video, face face yeah, I made like that two or three, made two or three of the dresses video. That's good. That's

a video. The legend that the the tradition of making a rubro videos BBS harmon. It was the first rude girl to make a video. And the song was class I'm the One, Yeah, I'm the Ship. And then there's I'm fun Tonight, which is great. Yeah there is no but there is no. I mean talk about like all these girls come out with their videos and I mean we love purse first. That's up there. For me, there is nothing like jungle Jungle kidding. Jungle is a narrative.

It's uh powerful sort of presence and acting. And like, so who sent you in the beginning, who's the interaction between her and now? Yeah, yeah, it's it's right behind the eyes. It is she she butts them in the face with the with the with the blood end of a baseball pack. This is this is not me like to on horn, But I'm gonna say this if you have not in this is a video of mine that is lesser known. Not a lot of people know about this. I would encourage you all to watch my video yet

another dig. This is one of another day achievements. This is one of my honestly, actually I want you I want you to watch it and then talk to me about I will wait the three minutes after the podcast. I'm really proud of It's all. Watch it. It's about two or three years old, this wee, but I'm still very proud of that video. Also, I mean, one of my favorite tracks that you're on is Toddrick Wrong bit.

I love wrong bitch, and I love all of Toddrick's stuff, And I feel like Toddrick does not get the amount of attention that he deserves for what exactly goes on in his brain and is Todrick is amazing. Todricks next level. Toddrick is insane, like I've never seen, to be honest at all, I've never met anyone who works as hard as to call. I can almost guarantee you even beyond it doesn't work as hard as I can almost promise you want a claim. I mean, creatively, he executes so much.

I mean he's choreographing for the girls, He's chorographing for the Rual girls. He's doing his own cho cho no. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm saying like he's really the girls. Yeah he did. Uh it must be good to you? Was that one? Good to that video? Wow? Yeah? That really feels like him actually now that you say that, because I know he's I know he's um in the Taylor universe. Yeah,

he works with Taylor as well. I I agree that drag Race was this cultural rista and yeah for sure, and and I feel like, well, season seven, but then season eight was scooted the first season where you had people um vocally be like I did drag after the show started, Like, I like, this was a new generation, a new turnover of people. And I said to the camera, I started doing drag because of the show. Yeah, um, and that was that was huge for me. I was

not a drag queen before post Drag Race. I had done Dragon maybe once or surprise in college theater stuff, but never like in the in the clars like yeah, yeah. But it was seeing BB that made you feel like this could be something much for me. Yeah. It was BB. I remembering I had Tebow. That's how long ago it was. I was scrolling through Tebow and I was going through I went to the Gate Chann. I just scrolled through the Gate channel and I saw Roup had was the

show record And then I watched that. I got in from work and I was like, oh my god, this show is amazing. So I've watched every episode of Drag Race in real time. Yeah, for sure. Were you doing stand up before that or were you kind of just doing that? So I was writing stand up but I had never actually I was too afraid to get on stage and do it. And then I decided to try my hand and stand up On the same night I

tried my handed drags. I did my my first knight of stand up was also my first drag performance ever

at the New or Comedy Club. I see, what does it feel like to sort of have like the industry quote unquote take drag queens seriously as comedians because we actually had We had Jinks in Alaska on one of our shows, and I had a conversation with the drinks afterwards, and she was like, you know, every time we kind of come to one of these things, like it always feels like, um, they always treat us like the drag

queens and they don't treat us like actual talent. Do you feel like there's been like a shift in the past few years about how you get treated as like just an artist and a comedian and a performer. Yeah, well for me, I mean I know that I've started, um really shifting. How like the gigs I'll do, for example, like here's the guy I got called by, Uh, I got called by what's what's his name? Andy Cohen? Do if you know he has all the dragons to show

up and they act like the celebrities. Yeah, the watch it happens live yeah, yeah, watch Happens Live and I did one for Ends with Asset and then they called me after I want drag Race and I was kind

of like, you're not gonna go step behind the bar. Now, I remember thinking myself, but I'm one of the celebrities, because when I thought to myself, I was like, but I should be I should be in the chair, especially on a show with a gay audience, like we'd be more excited to see you than fucking someone on fucking CBS as elementary. So I told SO. I told him that I wasn't gonna I wasn't gonna come back and do it. And I said, I don't know what I'll ever come back into the shows that I'm sitting in

the chair. And of course they have called me a few times, do you want to come in personate? Uh so? And so I'm like, no, I really don't. I genuinely don't have any of you. Now you have, I feel like you have very successfully sort of kind of branched out, branched out quote unquote, but like you doing like Angels in San Francisco was like like a thing that like people took notice that I feel And yeah, so what happened was Tony Kushner. And if you don't know Tony

kush Tony Kushner is the Pulitzer winning anyone winning. I mean, he's one. He's huge. He's wrote Asian America Abraham, I mean Lincoln recover A wrote, he wrote Asian America wrote Lincoln. He wrote Carolina change Um. He's a really big deal. Anyway, he was he's a band of drag Race, and he watched drag Race and at some point he was like, Bob seemed like he'd be a good actor. So he literally just went to my website Tony Kushner. Tony Kushner was I was like, hey be in my show will

you Be Believes? Which is like it's an incredible role, thank you. It was really Whenever you asked me who did I play? I always I always say the black person. I was like, gay person is like, who did you play? Well, only it's only weird when they go I actually really love Angian. I'm really familiar with angels. Who did you play in them? Like the only black person in the show? Off your Yeah, I was Harpard, Like who do you

think I was? But it was really great. I was also there I mean with some really great actors, with Randy Harrison form uh, Steven Steven Spanella, who's the original prior to it was great really and I was there for six months. Yeah, yeah, I was gonna I was gonna ask how long it was. I'm actually doing My friends and I in Quarantine are doing a reading of it on zoom and who are you? Who are you? Prior? Of course? Wow, but I'm Berry Steven Spielberg. You know

that scene, right Bowen, you know the play? Yeah, but it's like one of the last scenes in the first half. But it's Uh, it's interesting because I hadn't actually realized I hadn't seen it because I didn't see the recent Broadway version with Andrew Garfield. Um, and I hadn't seen it since I had watched the mini series. I have not read Angels in so longer. Well to your friend, um Millennium approaches Believe is only in like three or four scenes, Um include miss Allied as well and then

missing in Paris. She is And I think like a ton seventeen or nineteen, it's back to back to back with with with real, real, real, real good scenes too. I mean, it's so funny because Like I said, it has been so long since I've seen it because I was younger when I watched the mini series with Um but Metal Streep, Um, Patrick Wilson, etcetera. Um and Jeffrey Wright played the Belize role. Um. But it's been such a long time and now as like a gay adult,

it's so much more. It really just hits. It's just such a piece of art. Invite I would like to go listen if if I'm free, Oh my god, I mean we would be thrilled all seven hours. Truly, it's just like act by act but um but yeah, it's it's amazing and I it's interesting. No, no, no, no, it's every Tuesday we read a different we read um uh like act. Yeah, it's so fascinating to read it

and realize how how oppressions it is. Like, it's really interesting, especially in a pandemic to be and not to compare it to what AIDS was, but it's interesting to hear like the paranoia about illness and the uncertainty, and also to be um written that takes place during a time where the government didn't have our best interests in mind. It's just really it's really a timeless piece Unfortunately, before you do Boys in the Band do augustin Age County,

and then after Boys in the Band the inheritance. But hopefully we're not doing this. I know. But do you guys remember back we thought quarantine was going to be a month. It was so funny. Yeah, when they said we'd have to do this for a couple of weeks, I thought I was going back to work and everything. Well,

this is the other thing. Remember when Trump was saying, like the first week of quarantine, this will be over by July or August, And now that it's July or August, I'm like, l oh l, what a time to Well, they thought that the heat would kill the virus. Yeah, that's what they said. They were. They were like, of course in the summer months, the virus won't survive. We know this. And it's like, do we know it's not

that hot? Jesus Christ, I don't even aside. I dropped out of theater school and I know that what what are you doing? And we how are you quarantining? There? Have you been there for a while? Girl? This is a long story. I can't here to look for a house. I'm going about a house in l A. But then I can't look for a house. But already both the tickets with my boyfriend had a surgery, so I'm here to like look look after him and say hey da him and all that thing. Okay, well so you're thinking

about relocating though, Yeah, it's good. It means the move yeah, you know. But when I want to quickly talk about how remarkable, um and great that coal miners scene you do what RuPaul was? Oh? Thanks, We were just talking about that before, how it wasn't in the real show it was. It was a thing they put online and their hands on it was so great. It was really really good. I was. I was talking about how one of my worst moments at the show was when that

sketch got It wasn't cut for time at first. It was moved to later on in the show, like after the second time the musical, after the second time Justin Bieber went on, so it was like, it's definitely getting cut for time, it's definitely getting tough for time. It did, and then I justin these songs one, no, no, no, no no. So literally, when Justin Bieber was on stage, I can tell the story when Justin Bieber was on stage the second time and I was like, the odds

of this coming to term are not good. So I went out to see Justin Bieber's number, and then I sidled up next to Lauren because Laurence sits stands on the floor whenever the musical guest goes up, and I went up to him and whispered to him, can we please put the dress rehearsal version online? And then he goes, yeah,

we can. Because I was like, because I had explained to like, because I was like, because he knew that, like, this was such an important show for me that like, I'm not going to feel this way about any other host. Like it's rue, you know, and like as much of like a you know, a little like Rorschach test Rue is for a lot of queer people. Now, it's like it's it's still rue, Paul, Like it's still you know, you don't need to explain to me life in a

lot of ways. And I don't expect anyone to be perfect, so I don't need any explanation of why is important me of all people? Sure, sure, but it's like and we can all like is like I thought you like settled up? I thought you like, I'm surprised you didn't since Nancy caring to think out just the sneak out to buy more time for your Yeah, who knows, I

don't think, Oh, thank you. It was like, you know, like I I was proud of a lot of the like sort of queer leaning stuff that I've gotten on the show in the past, and I was like, well, this is it's rude. Like I gotta, like, you know, try to like throw in something fun and like but also like classic, and so you know, we just basically wrote like a Dynasty scene taking place. It was very Yeah, it was. It was obviously burned in the bottle at

some point. It was very burned to the bottle at something dying burned in the bottle, dying name burned, burned in a bottle bottle. Wait, you know I thought of I thought of one before. Has anyone done this head of topper headed top like miss head a hopper? No one? I think no one's done it because it's bad. I think because it's a really bad drag. Honestly, I said it, and I was like, this is a C plus attempt.

You lose your enthusiasm as you're saying this head of topper. Um, I'm a really big fan of Are you familiar with Mommy DearS at all? Like yes, yes, I just want I just watched it recently, like gay familiar, not just a little familiar with familiar. What do you bring up? What's the reference? A great drag name will be Barbara, please please, and there's some please Barbara, please please, Barbara, please Barbara. You needed to ask Caroline God, I need please?

Isn't that a great name? Walking the stage? Barbara? Please please please Barbara. Something about the apps too? If you need anything? This is wonderful. This isn't what you you delifferently and empressed me in front of the reporters us you love to make me hit you. It's so good, truly.

When Ruke came like there was there was like a like twenty minutes where it was me Rue, James Anderson, another gay writer at the show and we're just quoting Mommy Dearest and just but like the second that like ru felt comfortable with us, I could tell was when um uh was when I said I'm not mad at you, I'm mad at the dirt and like them like it all like fell away and we were we were like on good terms and it was it was all good

from there. It's like we had a party and one guy's like, I'm just gonna do one bump of coats or everyone knows it's cool. Yeah, I was gonna do it. I'm just gonna do it in the middle of the room. So everyone here, we're just starting into the atmosphere and we're off, and then we're off. You gotta test the gay. You gotta know which quote to do. You can in

that quote in some rooms they don't get nothing. But then you're looking at someone and go, oh, so you agree, you think you're yeah, yeah, I mean it's a generational divide for sure. But then our friend's studie Green has a really good one. I think a really good drag name, which which is old tweets, but I think old for anything, old before anything is a good drag name. Oh here

comes old tweets Old. A good drag king name is a Lincoln bio or or or deleted tweet is horrible things when whenever anyone refers to um, whenever there's an article that's like in a tweet that has since been deleted, I just love that sentence that intro like in a tweet that since been deleted. Well, I'm always in treatment the fact that in these news articles are always just they actually U r L copy the link instead of screen grabby, like mama problematic, it's gonna thinking away screen

grab that mug mom. Always that break and grab that mug mom. Real culture. Um, Bob, I just want to I did want to say thank you for giving us our fucking favorite episode of Game Show Too. You came out and played that so sweet. I think you had a lot of fun that day. It was weird we had and Darcy reached out to me on the internet and I was like, oh my god, she's the best ever. Yeah, she's really sweet, She's the best ever, wonderful. Um, alright, so what do you say? Bone? Is it time I think? Well,

before I do that, I can't leave. I know I've said it before air, but I want everyone to know that I also appreciate Mad Roger because I was talking mad about his hit song be a Bit Too to Friend this Pride available on Instagram and YouTube at some point because that was like something Bone and I were doing for fun whatever, And then once Drinksman soon liked it, I was like, oh, maybe this take has legs And I still have a standing offer from her to go into the studio and do a recording of it, and

she said she would jump on the track, And I'm saying, now, Bob, the jack creen also needs to be on the track. Listen, you want some cabaret jazz version, No, you, We're gonna do a bitch track called be a Bit to your Closest Friends Pride. Honestly, I'm doubt And also, you know, Jinks contacted me and she was like, I'd like to do the song in my show, and I was like, please, please do it. She's probably performed it more than I have at this point. Listen, I'm gonna right now, man,

we gotta we gotta trade numbers. We're gonna, We're gonna get being based to your closest friends trending. You're seeing the beginnings of a collab. I'm into it, all right, Let's do I don't Think so, honey. So this is our finale of every episode of Lost Culture, which is I don't Think so honey. We take sixty seconds to rail against something in pop culture that, let me tell you something we hate. Sorry to say the word hate, but this is worth saying it. We don't I get it?

Needs to be dressed down bo when I do have something I could do, Okay, that's good. Um, I've got you on the clock that is patent Rodgers. I don't think so, honey. As time starts now, I don't think so honey, bugs you have to go. I understand that we need some of you for the environment, but Sugar, we are already going down, absolutely so winging in that area. So we're actually gonna let go of bugs. I have

to say, I don't think so, honey. Bugs. You're itchy, you're crawley, you're looky, you're bookie, you are not it. Can I say something? You're too small, and if you're big, fuck you even more. Fuck bugs of all curs, and fuck the stinging that bugs do. I'm out here on Long Island. I'm dealing with the humidity. The bugs are out here. They're not here to play. They're here to bite, there here to suck, there here to fuck. Unfortunately, I'm

sorry to say. Here's what i'd say, bugs. I like no media about you, not even Ants, which has j Lo, which I usually love all her ship. J Lo was not even giving you ten percent in the movie. And I don't want to watch a bug's life. I'd rather get thrown into uh lava pit. No bugs, I don't there's a honey bugs and that's one minute and there's none in Los Angeles. That's not true. Shut up a false Shut up, you're both wrong. Get out of here. No,

that's just because you're an actor. That's that's because you have the ability to play belize. And I don't believe that there was a bug right there. That's called word play. That's I mean, I don't think so. Honey bugs and they can go if if this earth is sinking the way I feel it is that we can get rid of them. Bugs found dad, bugs, bugs about bugs will outlive us all bugs. Yeah, bugs are bugs right here

to stay. I'm sorry, Now that's odd. I think that the reason why bugs are doing so what was because they aren't expected to stick around as long has a longer animals stick around, the worst off they are. Why are elephants always extinct? And why there's so many sucking flaws? It's truly the worst. The worst animals are the ones that there's a lot of. It's true. I would love to see more pandas out here, but you know what,

there's just not very many of them. Also, there was a lot to I don't think, so honey this week, and I chose bugs I could have. I don't think so honey. Anyone tweeting about how the CARDI BN Megan single is inappropriate go fund yourself. Who's saying that? Now? It's it's like it's like a lot of Republican congressmen being like what is this. I'm like, why the hell do they care? It's because they can have their little

talking point. Yeah. Yeah, there was a ton to I don't think, so honey this week, and I chose bugs. I've got one. I've got I've got a pretty crazy one. I love when you have one. Okay, so I think you got a pretty crazy one. I think people people will relate, all right, So this is gonna be bone. I don't think so honey. As time starts now, I don't think so honey. Speaking of books, books with like the fake distress texture already and now let me distress the books on my own. I want to wear down

the book with the elements in my house. Don't give me this like series of unfortunate events like you know, were like on the book, like when the pages get all like scratchy on the side. When they do that, they distress it on purpose to make the book seem rustic or something. I don't I don't even know what aesthetic it falls into, Honey, I don't think you selling me a book that is supposed to look bad when I don't know how that serves the narrative. I don't

know how that serves the marketing. Were beyond this. The distressed books aesthetic is trapped in two thousand three. We are seventeen years removed, transcended from that moment. Do not pull back into the tide of two thousand three, because look, we think the country's bad now, is pretty bad back then too, maybe not as bad as it is now. But the that Iraq war that really did a number on everything, that Iraq war. And that's one minute. So but when I get it, you wanta you want to

be the one to whether your own materials. Yes, do you know what I'm talking about? Like, it's it's here. I have one right right in front of me forest. I know what you're talking about. It's it's this thing. It's like it's got like the ridges there, you know, like those kinds of books that are like fake torn up. Sure, sure, sure, you don't need to do the work in reading the book. When it comes to Boney, you give it to him hill Weather at himself. He will tear through these books.

I mean, I do love. I do love that you're able to, you know, wear a book down physically. And that's something he missed from from audio books or from uh from yeah, from audio books and e books. So it's actually a really culture. You can't wear an audio book down. You can't wear it. It's a real culture. Number fourteen. It can't be fourteen. There's so many four teensy three. You can't wear an audio book down. All right, Bob the drag Queen already with it. I don't think so, honey.

All right, I just wrote one for myself. I didn't to try to have one kind of guest. Let's see if this is a minute at all, and if not, also all star ranting you're ready, this is beautiful. This is Bob the drag Queens. I don't think so, honey, And uh, time starts now, game, I don't think so too. Showing your video in a zoom, why do you need to see my face? You already know what I look like. I chose this picture for a reason. This is a

photo shopped image. And not only that, but I took this picture back when I first moved to New York City and at the skin of a nut free Milky Way chocolate bar. And now I'm a webbing age Reese's pizza you found in the couch after five years. The shower this morning, and I haven't showered in the last week at all. If we're being honest, and if I turned my camera, if I don't turn my camera on, you need to know that I'm only dressed from the

waist up. And on top of that, the only clean part of my apartment is the area you are seeing behind me. If I turn my camera to the or to the right, it's absolutely gonna look like the day after the Stonewall riots. So we lug into the video and you say, can't we see your face? The answer is a flaming fucking no, you cannot. I And that's one minute. Everyone. We should just make it clear that Bob, I think that was directed at us, and and we

and we we can receive it. Yeah, we just want to say that first of all, in this quarantem and this quarantine we have to be reserving something, and if that must mean face to face contact, we're happy to see you. And that photo that you had up before was you know, the photo shop. I mean it was gorgeous, but that wasn't the real Bob. That wasn't the real Bob. That was a curated version. That was a curated And

now he's hidden, he's hid in the video. Wow. See, And already it's a less sort of visually commanding experience without experience. But that was an excellent I don't think so, honey. What are the rules? I mean, like if you're not like you know, on the meeting, or if you're not like pulling focus, it's like, yeah, I don't really want to be seen all that the entire time. Either is everyone knows their video is not on. Like when people are like your videos got on, it's like a bitch.

We the fu no us right before this, and we were like, I don't think Bob his video was on. He heard us the whole time. He was just like getting ready, rolling his fucking damn eyes. These two, Um damn, what a pleasure for us to have you, Bob the drag Queen. So wonderful. It's been coming on. It's been really wonderful. I really think you're both really magnificent And um, what's good with this reading of your show? You're gonna do a reading of your your play Night Soap is Uh,

it's on the schedule. We just don't know where it is on the schedule, but we're going to figure out about that and then we will let everyone know. But basically, Bone and I wrote it. We what was it anfest? It was years ago. We Ruby Rue, who I'm sure you know, got up, got us all up and dragged and beat our face for the very first time ever. And we basically played two warring women in the chocolate

industry and we wrote a whole play about it. And uh, Bowen and I are going to do it, and we'll be donating all the money that people, um would sort of throw our way to watch it. Not that you have to in order to watch it, but it's a two person show. Yes, I can't wait to see. I would love to whenever happens, let me know, I would love to attend. Oh my god, I think my life

this is not. I feel like I'm confident enough in the writing and just in your um and your sensibilities that I think you would enjoy this, I really do. I don't remally say that to throw back to the Dynasty era war paint. It's very war paint. Is there like a timeline, like in the next month, In the next I would say, in the next month, yes, yes, no, it's that was ahead of top or delivery. Your voice didn't up, but it went up a few notes. Top is it better if? If? It? Is? It better if

it's ted? A topper in the next month tends to be Boone tends to be a little bit busier than me with his job on the hit sketch show Saturday Night Live. Not anymore, not for not for a while longer. Um, well, yeah, we'll do it the next month. We'll do that. Um. And also it is we we totally forgot sibling rivalry. Sibling you better be listening to sibling rivalry With the mon exchange, who is someone that we must get on

this pot wonderful wet You know? I went on the exchange right and it was so fun and Monai like Money's got the damn set up. Money looks gorgeous over the zoom camera. We gotta say so, you're acknowledging person she didn't look like good. Drag her? Wow, boy, and the library is closed. You said we love all the New York Queens. Every year, whenever the New York Queens go on, we are in the corner and also to the left, and then the things that goes up you

and you look like baby Yoda. Yeah, Baby yodas cute. What are you gonna let baby Yoda here? That's the question. Yes, did you see baby Yoda in the WAP video? Oh that's something I'm gonna need. Honestly, I just tweeted the other day picture goodnight plus see what acid is damn dirty to me? Baby Yoda speaking in adult Yoda's voice, jarring hot moment. You just you just dragged you exposed me. I've not seen the Mandalorian. I'm just jumping on the

Baby Yoda. You're missing wagon zero, you're missing zero? All right? Yeah, he will watch Mandalorian. You didn't watch Mandalorian? No, definitely not. But I did watch We're Here, which is we need for a second season. Congratulations, the plug of it all. And then let's win that fucking emmy, shall we? In fact, before you go, let's see who the funk you're up against? I want to I want to spread. I want to be Schumer r up against Kevin Hart. Um. Okay, yes,

Amy Schumer learns to cook. That ain't winning an Emmy. Cheer, Oh, Cheer, Cheer. Cheer. Cheer is a cultural moment. But you know what we are people, We're here. I love Cheer. I remember not that much about the show, like with some distance. I'm like, it was it was all very it was, it was very sort of. It didn't occupy space in my brain for that long. And I love it. I think it's a wonderful work. But I feel like we're here is just so important culturally that I heard that the director

of Cheer is a Holocaust denier. Damn on that. But I'm trying to I'm trying to get out. I'm gonna have to vote elsewhere on that one. How do you say that? Okay, listen, this is a campaign, and on the campaign trail things get very ugly, you get dirty. We have um Okay, but also can we say three out of five of these shows are super super queer, so you gotta love that love, right, So I'm still there's there's two drag shows there and also alright, well,

damn the drag Queen. Thank you for coming and doing Lost Culture my pleasure. Thank you all. And I'll see what they're reading. Yes, yes, and also you know we and every episode with the song, isn't that right? Bowen Yang? It's rights and here we go, Jessy love me, how well I know you're doing it all? I boy,