"Art Chat" (w/ Jeffery Self)

Larry Owen's called a Skull of Josh Sharp, Aaron Jackson as Peter Smith, Peter Smith, and more to be announced. More Queer to be announced. Musical directed by the one and only Henry Koperski Son Monday, novembery at Joe's Pub, The one and only. It's our very first, ever last culture is to show at Joe's Pub. We love the folks over there. We're gonna be, you know, recording a

little video promo for it in the coming weeks. You might see it and you can get tickets at the Joe's Pub website, so please head over and do that, and then we have the gag. Of course, it's I don't think so honey Live at the Bellhouse on No. Yes, this is gonna be a pretty new batch of folks. We are really gonna show you some new faces, Darling. Our last one was like a Legends ball type gig. But this is gonna be such a fun, fresh experience.

It's gonna be so great. I can't wait for it. Yeah, you gotta get your tickets to our I Don't Think So Honey Live at the Bellhouse on no And if you're on the West Coast, Honey, I'm coming to you and I'm gonna be doing I Don't Think So Honey Live at the Region in downtown l A on December five. The lineup will be announced shortly as well the Bellhouse lineup. But this is gonna be so much fun. I loved our show that we did fun. I can't believe I'm missing this one. But you know what, it's for a

good reason, which is your wedding to yourself? Yes, just kidding his work, um, so listen, I cannot wait. And then selfishly, I want to just plug a little show that I do here in New York City at the Duplex. It's called have you heard of Christmas? Oh? I love this show. Thank you baby. I'm really excited it's gonna be on December eleven, December twenty two, so I'm gonna do that show three times and I really want you guys to come. You can get tickets, um, which are

on sale right now. Those are the shows, and that's the Gauntlets and Special Best Special Guests and that's musical directed by Henrykoperski as well. Yes, oh, I can't wait for all of these shows. Um. I will be three out of four of them for sure, So please get those tickets and check them out. Yes, look, man, oh I see you? Why why look over there? How is that culture? Yes? Goodness, let's ding dong c what's the halloween for recording this on? We've just had a conversation,

a quick cursory little conversation with our guests. You're angry at me? No, I'm a little angry, but I'm just I'm angry at I. But I should be angry at just the system. I think, thank you so much. I always say, don't be angry at me, be angry at the system. It's real culture about four team the system, and it's the system. It's Halloween. New York is just everyone feels you feel like you have to fall in line with it is what what's it's the bad part

about the gay community blown up a hundred thousand times? Sure, well you're choosing to magnify self conscious Um. Yes, I I feel as though, like, here's the thing. I have a couple of a few costumes I could wear. I have one slutty costume. It's a little slutty sailer that

I got from my shoot with Logo. So by the way, um, Dave Mazzoni and I are doing some videos for Logo and you guys check them out, so they they actually I I offhand mentioned that I kind of liked the way I looked in the costume, and then I looked over and it was on my things. At the end of the day, someone some p a had been like, wink wink, and I not to take this home. They

wanted to suck you perchance. Um, but whoever that person is, I celebrate that idea, okay, And you don't have my number from um And then I have gay Jackson, Maine, which I said that, and our guests that wow, And so now I don't want to do that. I put and what aren't you so glad that that our guests absolutely think we need more transparently handed response. Yes, I'm grateful for and thankful for the guests. And then what

was your third? My third was the one we were going to do together, which was killing you best friend's costume. Of course you would be Sandra Oh, and I would be Villeneul. He would be um Jody Comber, Jody Comber famously her name, famously, her name years old. Can you believe? Are you fucking serious? That is so fucked up. She's so good, she's so good. But here's the thing. I feel like she doesn't have like an iconic look. I would have to stay attached to your side at all times.

I know. It is one of those things where it's like if if, if we're decoupled, I would sort of make sense to Sandra, But like every are you, but you could you could just be another Alley. You could be allied. I guess, I mean, I guess. All right, Okay, I heard the thing. Last year we had a really good costume and it's gonna be hard to top we did. I was I Patronada and I was early episodes in Kidman still um racked with secrets and guilt. Sure, Um, we'll figure it out. I'm so glad that we have

this conversation about the culture. And by the time this comes out, and it will be well into November. And here's the thing, also, I don't want anyone to worry about me, because I know I will turn it out before my first party of the evening absolute which there are two, and we're going to see our guest at the second. I see our guest at the second one, and he has and he's just keeping it simple, streamlined. I love it. He's not he's not falling for it.

Maybe maybe we don't know. He's a very creative person. I love. I love our guests so much, deeply deep. For many years since Jeffrey colcast role with our other Lovely Lovely the beloved. Um you know who was a huge Jeffrey self fan, Henry Henry since you since young, since young, yes, since since since like way back. I think, yeah, Jeffrey and coldcast roll perfect. Um he is. And then we were at the same party as Henry Koperski, my

my ex. And then we were at the same we were at the duplex one night you came, I think to see who was it? What's that? What? We I think we went to like maybe it was like she wants to talk, so let's just bring him in. I'm just gonna say, Henry said, you have to introduce me to Jeffrey, and I was like, okay, gonna happen. Okay. So, so he's being so good about just the decorum of all of that because he gets he gets it, he gets the he gets these get it now say his

little credits and then we can go on. He's an actor, author, um, celebrated, comedian. Um. Okay, So search party, search party, Mark on search Party, fantastic, truly like the gays, the gay straight man in all of it getting married, This isn't yes and Elliott. Elliott is not the straight man at all. And Elliott is just truly insane, goofy, well goofy, but also mentally real John Early type, real John Early type. Um. And meanwhile, Mark is a is a huge Jeffrey self type. But um,

anyway said his name already. You can read his books dragteen um or A very very bad Thing and um, oh god, Jeffrey Live I loved I oh yeah, um, And I hope, I hope maybe there's a combat but the live space is interesting, right, That was my first. Um, that was my first the lives page just huge. Um, but that was my first. Also introduction to then House Twink now star of Heather's Oh my God, House Twink fell in Love and um, oh my God, and uh just iconic rowl in thirty rock one of Like the Love.

And I didn't even know this was Jefferent years later and I was like, who was that lemons cousin? Um Randall, Randy Randall, Oh my god, broken it is Jeffrey. So I wasn't sure. I loved. I really respect the decorum of podcast famously. Thank you for doing that. No one doesn't Yeah, no, no, no, no, um they don't you know these days, I'm so excited to be here. I'm such a fan of you guys. Okay, talk about your Halloween plan and so we're all going to see each

other at a party in in mirror hours. I don't know. I was kind of excited because I had no Halloween plans and I thought, okay, great, no one's going to get their ship together. I'm not gonna have to do anything. But then someone planned something, and now I feel like I actually have to do something because I always show up at Halloween parties not in the costume, and then I feel even more uncomfortable. I think it. I think it's worse to be the person who looks like they

don't care or be thought they were too cool. You never want to be there and to be like, my costume is me. I actually even, like right when I said that I had something that I was going to use for I don't think my I don't think so, honey. Later, but I might actually do what I was just about to say for that because I have a strong feeling about it. But anyway, I find out Halloween very overwhelming. I loved it as a kid. I thought it was great. Mimi from the Drew Carey Show was among many wonderful

memorable costumes nowadays, Yeah, I agree, there's something. There's a pressure within the gays especially. Yeah. I just I was looking at Instagram stories last night and just piste off at every click. Do you want to know what it is? For me? It's like I actually end up sort of and I say this and don't get upset. I end up sort of nailing it every year, do you know? I mean, it's someone who's followed you for a while. I don't know. BuzzFeed Gay BuzzFeed. Um, one time put

me on a list for best Halloween costumes. I was just so fucking basic. Also, I was remembering, remember I remember this was Harry Potter. I mean, sure, hasn't you and like literally five thousand people, but thousands conserve it out and he's only had sex to five thousand and three. Um, but no, what did I mean? I had this? Henry was Henry was Malfoy and it was a really hot like Malfoy and Harry Potter, like go home and fancy each other scenario. I'm not a Harry Potter person, really,

I don't really know the whole mythology. Well, Harry Potter is a wizard, yeah, I know that much, and he was famously straight. And then your spin on it was gay, and actually that's my spin on, Jackson Main to Night was gonna be Yeah, so let's go circle back to that. Yeah, I mean because that where you gonna be Ali. No, there was no plan for it to be friends. Why note like there's gonna be a million allies. Katherine Cohen's going to be Alley? What what Alley? Though we're talking?

That was a question that she had and I said, That's why it's a really good dynamic costume, because you could even have like a night of Alley's. You could be the first time we see pop star Alley, which is the red hair and the hideous little blue dress. You could have um uh us this way Ali and that white kind of iconic pants were into, like the leather jacket, the long sort of natural dark hair felt like yelling at the father, and the really forced Italian accent. Yeah.

Also there is of course I'll Never Love Again Ali, which is a kind of iconic look. If you have the gown, if you have the and then there's that that that orange wig that they revealed that wasn't in the trailer but then it made a big appearance. There are a lot of options. We're just walking through the costumes. You know what I will do Andrew dice Clay if you ah, if you do Ali, I'll be andrewdiced Clay. And if you do um Blue Jasmine, I'll do Andrew dice Clay when he accosts her on the street in

Blue Jazz. Oh my god, I think we should all just do VM as Andrew dice Clay and be really homophobic. Yeah, night and Clay is not very intriguing, very far. You know who's going to nail it, whichever gay decides to go as Gail, Like, Hi, Ali, I'm gayl like the person who leads around onto the stage. Gail is the woman who gets her out of the car at the show. Gail is gay icon gl is and gay. I have missed the Twitter boat on Gail. I guess Gail is the is one of is one of three female characters

in that home the whole film. Oh my god, you think about it because she doesn't count depress. Yeah, so it's it's it's Gaga, It's it's Chappelle's wife, It's Gail, and it's it's she's the clipboard lady who leads her from the car. We know the actress's name, but she's like really broken through in like a niche way. But it's the thing. She's an icon. It's kind of it's very I rall Sue from like Stranger Things. That's what

I was about to say, what's what's her? Yeah? Yeah, right, no, no, bar So is she gonna end up in like a Greg Berlante show within minutes? I think it's it's not not huge for her career. And you know who I found out audition for that part, Casey Wilson for GA. She said that, she said on Bitch sh apparently like that she had audition for that role. Unless that was a joke, And I think that's a very funny joke.

It's either way. It's m Jeffrey. Are you Are you like okay, you're firmly team like l A team l A at l A campus. Well, so, I mean it's very hard to discuss with people like you. Guys. Please feel like you are such ambassadors for like gay New York. But I don't think. Well, here's the thing. I actually saw I saw you at in l A and I was having a great time. Well no, I mean, I mean it's not like we we don't have fun there.

It's a fun place to listen. I lived here for six years, but I moved here when I was like seventeen, and so it felt like when I left, I was like still broke and like came to l A and realized you could be still broke in l A and have a better life. And I've i've kind of like remained with that. But also New York just stresses me out. I feel like I stay out all night, I sleep all day, like all the all the just the just

the boring you know things. Have you ever lived in l A. I spent about a month there this summer because we were out there for two weeks, two weeks, and then I went back for two weeks, so I was I was out there for a while. Long Island and Colorado, Colorado, so it's a little more of the same vibe. But sure, I mean yeah, I mean, look, they're both great places. Everybody's back and forth, you know, if you have there's places to avoid in both places.

You know, I don't you know, none of us are like hanging around the like you know, muscle queens of Hell's Kitchen, really and none of us are really hanging around the muscle queens of West Hollywood. I think I might do January through March in l A. You know,

I wasn't going to give it. I wasn't going to just give piloteas in that whole chunk of the year, but that go out to the coast, um I might, And but so now I'm kind of like happy to have had that time there in the summer to acclimate to it, because it character firstly has made me very

stressed out. Yeah, I get that. Once you get past it, though, I think it's becomes really groovy great and you have roots planted there now anyway, like you're you're literally married and literally married, I you know, like like having like a boring, a grown up life there whereas I can't figure out how to do that here and because I think it's just too expensive. Yeah, I think like now that you like have the husband and are actualized, I think like that seems like l A is a very

good kind of zone. It made me kind of I got my like fomo really roared out when I was in l you know, because you felt like isolated and you're wherever you were staying exactly, and I was like, if I'm trying to get somewhere, it's take a long time. That's why I like it, because I don't like leaving the house. I'm very like, I'm such a like introvert body. I'm such a nerd and I just it's such a nerd about my couch and so I really like not leaving the house. So it's good. It's very good to like.

And I live like far out in like Culver City where no one else lives. So yeah, sure, and only the best and it's really far. So it's like great for no one ever drops by, no one ever, like no one ever wants to come over, and then like you can be you don't ever have to go to other people's It's great, it's great, it's it's great. What does what does husband do? Augustus august Is pru Um. He is an actor. He is a fancy like real person actor. Well he had um. Well he's as a child,

he was in About a Boy. He was Rachel is that Rachel Weiss? Is that who's in that movie? I always get hurt about boy. Yeah, he plays the other little boy who's like, not not the boy. He's not the boy that's Nick Holt and then the other and then the other boy is Rachel Vice's son, and yet he's like he gets like jealous of Hugh Grant dating his mom's. It was a meaty role. So that was his first thing and then he um, he's you know. He had a show on CBS last year called Pure Genius.

It was a medical procedural that he was the lead of. Um. It was not very good and it did and it got canceled and then He was also on one of the leads on the reboot of prison Break. Hell yeah he was. He was cell mates with Wentworth Miller. How hot is that? How did that go? They never had sex ship? I know, I was very sorry and character has never had sex real life. All of the above,

all the above. It never happened fictionally or nonfictional. Nor did I ever get to have dinner with Wentworth Miller. I was really greasing the whale for that. What a wasted moment, wasted career. I don't wonder what who went Worth Miller's gays are, what his little coterie of queers? He found them late. I think he found him late, and I don't think there's room for for a Jeffrey Self type. I think that you're wrong about that. I don't think there's always I think it could be. I

think it could be a little polarizing for him. I don't know. I don't know what Worth Miller's game is. I think that his gayness is very like well, I don't I don't want to pass judgment on him, but he certainly was one was was one of those gays that came out late and was really like all of us trying could do the exactly trying to do the actor thing, and like I he to me is like

I'm at Dallas, who is that Kylex Why? And he has a hot husband and they have a kid and hot husband a kid and now he's like happily gay And I like met them rand and I didn't even

meet them. I like bumped into them at some sort of party and like it was like so attracted to them and then like tamed one of them when I was like really stoned on Instagram, was like so great with chatting last night, like we really got to get together and like, you know, we want to have kids one day, so I'd love to, like, you know, talk to you about your family. We did not talk about any of this, no, And I think he saw it, you know, just he saw it and saw through it.

Do you guys do a lot of stone mnest with you? I should probably do it more than I should, and it always, Oh it's not good. I'm trying to get better about it. I can't help myself when I have a crush on a guy. I'm talking to them in the news. Here. The thing it's like it's like the oppos are dead and d MS are the way, them are the way, and we all know it, so it's transparent.

Amount was and I followed so many like and mostly there are people I've never met and probably will never meet because they're like models who live in other countries. But like, isn't it fun to be like, Hi, Yeah, I'll tell you I met when we did we covered Vulture Festival for Vulture, and yeah, it'd be weird if you're coming unity. We never met anything anything, um, but we um. We met my crush. Who is your crush? Jonathan Jonathan graff Okay, walking me through it because I've

actually never met Jonathan groffin actually literally what happened. So we're there and I'm nervous because it's Jonathan Graffin. I've talked about my crush on Jonathan Grafin and you can't d M him because he's not on social, not even on social, he's one of those. So he's coming in and he's like talking to his co stars because we're interviewing him from Mine Hunter, which I couldn't give him less about. Um. So I go to him, I'm like, hey, so pretending to me and say hey, I'm met Okay, hey,

I'm Matt Jonathan. Oh, that's a firm handshake. We're still holding hands, by the way, and then my hand melted in his Yeah, and I was like and I had to pull it away and like come came out of your fingers. It was it was very overwhelming. And then I think we did like a D plus interview with them. Yeah it was not and they didn't say goodbye to us. Yeah, yeah it was. It was very It wasn't like a

winning interview. Was his vibe sexy though, he has a confident vibe, he knows how hot he here's confidence, he's a competent vibe. But also like this and this is also equally just adds to the charm in a way. But also to me, I was like, oh, you're just

like a dorky dude. He was talking about musical theater with one of his co stars and it was like it was like it feels like someone like would write that in a script right exactly, And he's normal too, but like it kind of I got the vibe from him where it's like, Okay, he's he's seems far away because he's Jonathan Groffin. I do think there probably is like you know, not not an ego there because he

knows how charismatic and hottie is, but it's there. There doesn't exist a world where we could not be friends, you know what I mean, Like it was like that, Yeah, yeah, that's your number, That is he your number one? Cry Um, He's he is up there. But I don't know. It's always top of mind for you, you always. I love him. I have never ever once seen him in anything because I'm so frustrated by how hot he is and his success. So I'm too jealous to watch his work. Yeah he's

so talented. Yeah, I've never seen him do anything. Never watched the episode of Looking Mind whatever that is. I could not care less about Mine Hunter, but I did watch. I slammed through Looking Um. It had its high points and low points. Largely wasn't great, but he I think, I'm sure I might have been a great show. I literally cannot watch things with him in it because I get to uh, no, you really have avoided him. I

mean I've seen like the clips of Let It Go. Sure, I'm not a freaking monster, But I have a question I'd like to pose, are we, as a gay culture getting better about gay jealousy? I'm not. I don't think so. I I think I am. I'm trying. I'm gonna say that I'm I'm doing I'm doing great, you know. I mean, we're all sitting here, no one's no one's hit each

other yet wants to kill each other. I mean it's hard because I don't know we were I think we deemed about this the other day because you talked to you had a video thing about like people being mean

and comments and trying to pit you two against each other. Yes, And because that drives me that that used to having me in calling, like when we were doing this stuff for logo and like and I would it just would drive me crazy because it's just so and it's like, yeah, it's coming from someone trying to think they're like funny and they want to get our attention and they want to get our attention to look, I can sass it

up to a bit. She's like no, no, thank you. Um. But I think I think we're getting somewhat better at gay jealousy. I'm still working on it then, Man, I still can't I get so jealous of everybody, if of things I don't even do, Like I was jealous of Adam Rappon, you know what I mean, It's like I

don't I don't skate. I'm never going to skate. Well, here's what bothered me about the Ripon thing is that then it seemed like he was like trying to transition into a comedy and like, you don't get to do that. I think that you are charismatic and good at interviews and like once in a while, yes, yeah you can, you can tweet a tweet, but um, that to me was like the world in which I think the person inside me that sees the entertainment industry and and feels

like there's only so many spots. It's like if one of those spots were to be occupied by Adam Rippon in a comedic manner, I would be bothering. Yes, that's true. Like I got I got really jealous when he was like I think recently on Will and Grace and I was got right, but I'm sure he was like playing himself. And again he's like probably ten years younger than I am.

He is a literal like a Olympian. Yeah, you know, there's like there's very little like you know what I mean, Like there's so much room for that kind of thing, especially because he's already famous, and but you know, I think he'll probably settle into like a commentator career just what he should be doing, like like you see what Johnny,

we're in. Tara Lepinski have been able to do what's fascinating, and he hasn't, like, you know, beaten the ship out of his husband, right that was allegedly I think Johnny. I think there's some darkness with Johnny. There was like a whole paparaz paparazzi, papa razzi tabling story of him like beat. I think, like literally like he beat, there's something, there's some darkness and I think they hadn't very uply divorced.

And I do know this because he was on that Twinks Twink Medium we're going to call it Twink Medium Tyler Henry Tyler Henry. He was on Twink Psychic And what a great title. Why did they not title? Honestly, I'm just gonna write my I So basically like he was on that show and they talked about the divorce and like the divorce was like somehow coming through, like the other ghosts come through, and yeah, the divorces a ghost.

It's not just ghost, it's not just goes. He can also he's also like empathic, so he basically was like, I'm sensing like a lot of darkness, like you went through a divorce and and he was like, yeah, you've you've you've read picture. Allegedly he's never read anything about any celebrity, which is a jump that I I love it when he has like the celebrities that like you yourself as the audience member, like who then is yeah,

that's all that's really fun. But also then sometimes he'll have something that show books some huge celebrities like like yeah, it's it'll go from like a huge celebrity to Brittany Kim. Yeah, yeah, that would be did he had Little Kim and he talked about he was one of the few people that flat out he recognized right away. He knew Little Kim, even Biggie. I'm not going to say they they didn't say why Biggie died or who killed Biggie, but they

kept saying in the in the previews. It was like the end of the episode obviously, So he was like, do you have any questions And she was like, I mean, I think everyone would want to know who shot him. And that was like when they were teasing it. And then he I think at the end of the episode, And I could be wrong about this because I don't fully remember, but he did say, I don't it's not

coming through who. But I will say that there was like hints leading up to the in the days before who it could be like, you guys probably could figure this out if you really think about what happened in the days before. And then she said something like, yes, it was really weird, Like he called us all into the recording studio and made us all sit in the same room and told us all to be careful like and then she kind of like said all this ship about how it was in the air that something was

going to happen, but it was very bizarre. That is very bizarre. And also, wouldn't it be crazy if Tyler Henry is the person who figured out? I was like, would be crazy if Tyler who was the president who's shop let's write it, you know which. One One of the hardest ones to watch was actually Gus Kenworthy because he was on and he described how he actually was witnessed to one of his friends dying when he was a teen, and um, it was like his best friend and like he got him to open up about it.

I'm telling you this teller, Henry Twink, He's got me twink psychic is good. The power of the twink, Babe, the twink, they say last year, Oh yeah, you're right right good. Perfume Genus said that now that he's no longer a twink, no one is that the age of the twink is over. But it was like it was like a funny tweet, but like he was like, no, but it's it was very solipsistic. It was very like, now that I'm no longer a twink, no one can be in. But he is a twink still. He absolutely

is a twin. He's so cute. How do you identify not I used to identify as a twin. I think I'm an age dead twink. There has to be a name for it. There. I hate twunk. I don't like. I almost felt myself say it, and I was like, it's just kind of like Wolf. Well, I think that's a whole other situation. Um not Fox get Away, Yeah, because we can't be saying Fox memories of Megan Kelly's. Yeah. Also, I picture more like silver Fox, Silver Fox. How do

you identify. I don't a gauge in but there's no like specificity, right, But that's the that's the disgusting community doing that too totally. We're looking at we're doing it to ourselves. Absolutely, we are the community. We are the community. But I truly I think we're at a place where we can break. We can culturally help not not us as like a podcast, but no, I think the three of us right now, us, right now, I can help

fix this thing of gay jealousy. And then look, it's all I do too, I think, and I think it's something that's like a really good, like overall thing to try to like be mindful of because it is. I mean even I have friends who are like, I'm not jealous, but clearly they're every I think, yeah, there, there, it's a it's a big thing. And I think it's it's why you know, there's so much like you know, in

fighting within. We're not gonna sit here and ignore the fact that there was a large chunk of time I think probably in the I think in US earlier coming up like where it didn't feel like there were too many spots. And so sometimes I will book something and they'll flat out say to me like you know John couldn't do this, or like like you know this person couldn't do this, and we love you, but but they make it sort of clear that I was like the

sixth runner up. Yeah, I've experienced that. So it's like it's and I don't think they're meaning to say, like I think what they're trying to do is be like, we know all your friends. But but but as a roundabout way of in doing that, they're kind of like saying, you know, there was a gay role on here, and we thought of the most famous quote unquote person for it. But but I definitely think that that's not any of

our fault. Have you been jealous of the Queer Eye guys, Yes, because they're so worldfull, but not even jealous, but also just confounded in this way that it's like, oh, Anthony's doing a set, is hosting a show it in New York? What the hell is that He's going to be the foil to Jonathan? Sure, but like that doesn't mean he knows how to be on a stage in front of people. I think he probably does know how to. He was he an actor. I think he was an actor. He

did us the classes. Now, I'm sure he's sure, he's great, Anthony, Anthony's perfect. You don't have to do that. But um, you guys do a show though as them or something, Well, do this, it's not as them. It's basically it's called Queer Eye Live where we basically all pick one of the things and person someone up on stage and we kind of give them do it live it. Zach Zimmerman's a fret child, lovely guy. He pulled asend. Do you

guys do live shows? Like every night? I feel like your Instagram is always like I'm here, I'm here, I'm doing this. Oftentimes feels like it happens to get booked all on the same time. Like last week we happened to have three shows. I happen to have three shows right in a row, and I was like, god, I feel insufferable on Instagram right now. But it's not like every no no, And it's not I'm not saying the

promotions and sufferable. Um, I would, I would pull you aside, don't worry, but but but it's just I'm impressed you're so busy. Um, I think it's like one of those it's it's it's the thing where you don't post your failures. That's a bit. Yeah, that's true. That's a big New York versus l A difference. I think it's like I feel like, well, I guess there are people in LA who are doing shows every night. I'm just New York

feels like busier. It does. Yeah, I think for better or for worse, because in l A you're just like, oh cool, I'm just gonna be chilling at home with my friends. I mean, I guess I could go to a show at the Virgil every night, but I'm not doing that. I feel like New York it's like the New York pace of life. It's like I'm doing this. Look, I'm doing this. What is the l A pace of

like is like I'm gonna do that? Yeah, okay, and what's I'm sorry, I don't I don't really like it's like like I think, I think it's more more chill and focus. It's like, oh, yeah, I'm gonna do that. And then in New York it's like I'm doing this and this and this, yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah. Energy thing? Are you basically just pooped out every day in New York?

Like after like you're just like well, I don't mean on the search party is so great because like I come for like like a long periods of time and then I only like shoot like one day a week, and it's great. But then you can like you're here and you can avoid people about by saying like, oh, I'm shooting the whole time. Reality, I'm just at the apartment and watching TV. But but it's that that's nice. Yeah, it does, but it does it stresses me the funk

out here. It's that is the dream. So I mean, I think my dream in life is to do as little as possible. Yeah, that's like maximum amount of money. Oh yeah yeah yeah. The reason why I want to be successful is so I can be on vacation all the time. Yeah, Like I would be totally fine of my husband like just fully supported me. Yeah, I would love to be. I tried desperately to be a kept boy for most of my early twenties in New York,

and it never kept boy kept boy. Um I think, but like theoretically you would just find someone whould be like, yes, you you're staying with me, um you, But but you're saying aspirationally in your twenties, that was that was the thing I mean, but I also actually wanted to accomplish up Now I feel like I'm like, okay, I would like happily like if my husband were to be like like in my dream scenario, like my husband becomes like Tom Holland, which would require like a time machine for

him to go backwards. But but but it could happen, and so he would be an expiderment and he even had like just just tons and tons of money, and I would just travel the world with him. I know that sounds really just sad and um, just basic, but I'm into especially because you said Tom Holland, and I've been like short stircuting in my brain. I think he's so fun, so hot, and he's so good just a cute face, he's in a cute little tight little body, and also such a good spider Man spider Man like

they really figured it out with it. And he's and he does not strain for the American accent. He yeah, he just does that. And you're like, yeah, he's a boy from Queen's I love that, loves actually a boy from Queen. Queen Marissa Tomey is my fucking hot aunt. So I actually have have not seen a single one of those movies again because he's so hot. I don't want to watch it. He's gonna I hear you on that. Spider Man Homecoming is a great movie. It's really good,

and that's all about a homecoming dance. It truly, I mean it leads up to homecoming dance, but really it does. But it's real good. The twists, baby, are very good. There are twist s galore, okay, and it also really it works as like a weird high school movie and also a superhero movie. Yeah, it pulls it off in a really good way. I think we're the only three gay men sitting around the table discussing Spider Man. I think that there actually is a whisper network of gay

nerds who I've seen the movie. It will tap about it, but I bet. I mean, Joe Kim Booster is literally jacking off right now. I think at home listening to this big comic. We went to go see he and I went to go see Justice League together. I don't know what any of that means. It's the it's the Marvel Avengers, but with Batman in those games, go away. I don't want that. You actually don't think you want it. I mean, the movie was like a perfect five out of ten. But I'll tell you who was also good

in that. Speaking of cute twins, Speaking of by twinks, I know he's real sexy again someone I get I get very jealous of. But again, like again, no crossover whatsoever. But I just I think ultimately the jealousy also comes from, like I want to like have sex with this person. That is okay. Maybe this is the yes, we've gone to the by thank you, Jeffrey, We've gotten to the bottom of this is conflating feelings of jealousy with feelings of a trap, yeah, wanting to funk what you want

to be? Yes. Yeah. And that's why social media. That's why social media makes it all so much worse, right have you guys social media these days and the devices and the devices Oh my god? Unfortunately, ya, how do you navigate? How do you do it? How do you do it? I I truly I wish I had to answer, babe. I'm a slave to the to the stuff. Are you I'm off of Twitter? Now? I really well, I don't. I don't like I didn't get rid of my profile, um, but I don't. I got off, got off my phone,

I got it off my computer. I got fully deleted all Facebook, like I forget that. That was in like a manic moment and I was just like, I'm getting rid of it. It was like, don't you want to download these like twelve years of history you have on here? And I was like, no, fully downloaded it. Now I'm like, why didn't I download that stuff? That would have taken five minutes, But well, when you can activate it again.

And then again in a manic episode, I deleted my Twitter profile but then again the next day was like, okay, well that was crazy, so reactivated but deleted the app. Um, and it's great. I love not being on Twitter. It's so fucking nice. And I'm on Instagram, but I take I try to like go three weeks and then I deleted off my phone for two weeks and then I redownload it. That I do Twitter and Instagram, not Facebook.

But then for for you to for you to have gone like gone through this clean break and I don't think it's necessarily like I'm sure like you were in a manic episode, but yeah, but honey, but I I feel like there was just this collective culture sure, like okay, enough enough yeah, I mean I don't really I realized, like I don't really know what I do on Twitter anymore. I was like, what am I doing to this conversation

and what am I adding? I try to just make sure that it's always stays light and like a funny little comments about whatever stories happening. I do like it as like a little joke machine. And I guess, but um, I certainly don't want to get earnest on it. And how often are you on Instagram? Instagram is my drug of choice? Like every like, how how many times a day do you think, I mean we see each other on there? I mean like it seems like you're a

drug of choice too. Oh yeah, well, I mean there's a lot of drugs of choice, right, yeah, but the Instagram is one of them. Sure we can find out on the on iPhones. Now you can do screen time where it just really I'm so scared of this. Let me just let me just see, let me just Instagram is the one. And I actually like because I enjoy putting the stories together. I like posting the little I

like posting pictures. I like how it's love the Q and A. I hate to say, you know what, I like the Q and I have shame about it every time I do it. I'm like, this is so self indulgent, so stupid, but it's so fun and it's not that self indulgent because they have just democratized this for everyone to be able to do. That's true, and so it's just it's for everyone. So they're every so often someone you follow does it and you're like, well, you know

what it is. It's like when someone does fifty in a row, and especially when they set the thing of like, asked me about this thing, and this thing is not something you're interested in. That's like, well I don't care about this now. Okay. So my daily average over the last seven days on Instagram an hour and five minutes. Two hours on Instagram a day a day. That's not as bad as I thought you were going to say, um a day, um a day. And on Tuesday, this Tuesday,

I was on it for three hours. What happened on Tuesday? I'm not sure the DMV, honey, how do you find this out? You needed to have the newest, Oh good thing. I'm poor, It's it's free. I just want people to know that it's fine. I don't I don't find that. I don't. I don't think I'm a producer, Emma, and she kind of raised her eyebrows producer on my bragedr eyebrows.

Do you think it's a lot? Well, I think two hours out of the twenty four of the day, honey, that's one twelve your day was spent looking at an app. And honey, that's not a bad fraction, fraction because that's like it's added together, right, yours is more. I can

find this death. I feel you post more almost. I have been moved to post because thing so Jeffrey as someone who was very much like mired in the social media thing where you were just like, oh, I will have a show that lives on social media face yeah, the Facebook thing, yeah yeah, Well I mean that was ultimately just because like I had literally nothing, El's going to a lot of um and was you know, Facebook Live was a new love. I thought it was so fun. It was so fun. We I love doing it with

the Brendan Scannell, who we all love. But it was, you know, it was just like a lot of work and like you know again, you're like I'm just screaming into the ether and is anyone hearing this. You had such good guests too, Yeah, we had really good we had some A Blair, who plays Brendan Scannell's mom on the Heather's reboots. I'm planning. I'm planning to binge it all at once, and by the time this episode comes out, I will have watched it. It's so so so good

Night three right now. And then the boy who plays the lead, like the hot jock boys, so cute, James Scully. He's a friend of mine, as I need that. He's very I don't know how he identifies. Now now I'm as jealous of anybody he's got on the show. Yeah, it's really, really good. I can't wait. I was excited

about it when it was a first announcement. It was crushed when I heard that it wasn't going to be coming out, and I'm very excited, but the whole thing is done because it's like, first of all, what did you think you were getting when you ordered Heathers. Heathers is about what it's about, and if you didn't want that, then don't order that. And also, I'm sorry, but it wasn't like there hadn't been school show. I mean, I meanwhile, like USA is literally making a TV show of the Purge.

You know. I also think it's a complete misunderstanding of the tone of the original film is deeply black, comedy and sterial, and I think it's like that's what this was going to be in very stylized, very stylized, and it's like you can't just and this is a thing I think that we all have to kind of come around to or like start talking about more. Is It's like, you know, when it comes to art, it's like think

about it. It's like it might actually have a comment on this thing right when you let it, if you actually let him do that. Yeah, I love just talking about art with you. It's been the it's been the highlight of my art. On the Paramount Network is my favorite are on the Paramount Network? What else is there?

So much? We love the Paramount Network. Waiting anything you can before we get into like more central questions of the show, show anything you can tell us about such party this season or no, we all know about that. We all know there's going to be a way. I think everybody knows it's going to be a very very very big wedding, like a big wedding with with two iconic wedding planners, Drew d and Sam Pancake photos. And there are some other really really iconic gay people and

I you're allowed to know. Yeah, you know that Cole skola Is is in is in the wedding nucle I think perhaps pretend Jill and Booster. I believe he is. Uh, it's Sabrina Jolie wrote the wedding episode. She wrote that it's gonna be in it. Yes, everyone's face was writing for Search Party. Yes, she wrote on it this season. Yeah. Yeah, it's very fun and it's a very yes. So it's a really really big wedding episode and uh yeah, I don't know how much more I'm allowed to say. Okay,

but that's that's going. But they are a big Louie Anderson's in Louis season. Yes, I met him the other day. He was the lawyer. He's Drew's lawyer. Yeah. Um, and MICHAELA. Watkins is on it. Yeah, I did see that they're posting that MICHAELA. Watkins was Yes, Yeah, she's amazing. What a good and you're an episode for you said, I have a tiny little part in episode four and we'll take this out if they end up cutting it because it's one of those things that could get cut. Well,

I don't think it'll get cut. No, After some of the things you were saying off Mike about the show and how the process was, I think that I think that, well I can just report back and report back that my relationship with Charles Rogerson j D plast director was really positive. And what did j plas director? He's so sexy, He's so fucking hot and I have to tell you um him. But it was weird because like it's weird because I've always thought he was so sexy, so seeing

him in person, it's such a weirdo. When I saw him in person, I was like, this, holds up this, Yeah, I mean, yeah, what did you don't erase name one person here? You think it's really hot and then you see them in person and they weren't like a celebrity Yeah, because like many incarnations. Yeah, he's just he's just he's he's he's unassumingly sexy. That's what I mean. You know who's fun out in person, who's also so hot on screen?

Justin Thorow. I saw him in Central Park or not Central Park, watching a square park the other day, walking his dog. So he's in his eyes when he's a genuinely like nice person, and his eyes when when he smiles, his eyes twinkled. Yeah, but you guys are just describing hot people. Why don't you just why don't you just happen to be in person? Is not? What did you say? He was unassumingly hot in person? He was unassumingly a pop star and transparent like he's Okay, you guys are

so stupid. We are really. I'm just saying, are you both single? I? Yes, I'm very single. Are you both dating? Yeah? And oh my god, you want to know something. I got dumped for something that wasn't that serious, but it just was drawn out for six years. But then I realized, uh, longest relationship just in terms of length alone, wasn't like the deepest one. Yeah, it wasn't like it just it

was because it was it was. It remained kind of casually. Yeah, exactly, and you know how study Okay, so we just listeners know. We tripped on acid up state recently, the first time, Semond time, first time? Did you love? I had a really good time. I wrote down a lot of lessons. Yes, um, have you've done you've done it. I do. I love the most recently Jordan's Firstman and myself and Brian Sofie were that sounds like a good crew l ST at the San Diego Zoo. Oh. That must have been amazing memorial.

But that seems almost dangerous because it's amazing because with with LST, it's like in this sort of group mind you set and like all it takes us for one person to be like, let's climb over the let's go stay high to that tiger yeah, and everyone else be like, yeah, let's do it, you know, Like but I mean we were the three of us were all standing on the on like our deck, and we were like, the thing is, we're all here and we all know that we all want to jump off this deck, but we also know

we shouldn't. We were micro do saying first of all, and um second of all. We just we were in a very it was a very positive like loving more yeah, and I think we were all very hyper aware of the fact that we write a very crowded zeus surrounded both children, so we weren't we didn't get too out of control. But I so you had a lovely LSD upstate experience close friends, and it was it was good

and it was healing and it was healing. But then Study said something where she was like, you know, like it's all behind us now, our first, our first jobs, our first loves, our first And I was like, oh not not for some people. And I was like yeah, And then I talked about this in therapy unpacked it. I was like, oh yeah, like that like me breaking up with this dude was like sort of like not the most meaningful but the longest. And that's like kind of sad. Did you break up with the dudes you

break up with me? Yeah? Whatever, it's not sad, that's that's not sad. No, because it's it's the reason you say it's sad is because you're trying to compare it to like what society says should have happened. How old are you? Yeah, I mean, for fox sake that don't do this. I know we're going to do this because you're the one being ridiculous. I mean, I will say also, when I lived in New York City, I never dated really.

I mean like I had obviously like a lot of like random anonymous sex or like or whatever, but I never had I never had a boyfriend in the entire time I lived here, and then the minute I moved to l A, I was like, boyfriend crazy, how did you? I met Augustus at a brunch and we hooked up in the bathroom. That it's very I feel like it's

from something. Well that that to me, the fact that the attraction like superseded the fact that there was a brunch happening and it was the day and society don't know, this shouldn't happen. That's real attraction. The night before had

been at the same party. We were both at eight Fourth of July party at Roland Emmerick's house, like a big We didn't meet there and we both looked up with other people at that and then we were all like a little hangover brunch the next day, Jordan's firstman and I went and uh we uh staring was super cute and we we hooked up. And I think, I think I'm allowed to say this, but that Jordan was

also involved in the hook up. That ye, and so Jordan's what and I both were like, he's super cute and Jordan's won't admit this, but he did say he was like a game on Oh no, no, no, no. This was that I'm going to reveal something right now because I'm feeling frisky as well. The first that I ever found we we found out that Henry Skoperski had broken up with his boyfriend. And I turned to Joel and Joel said to me, if you don't go for it,

I will. He's Henry Is who plays piano, right, Yes, yes, yes, um? And did you did go for it? And it was at night on? And how long were you guys together? To? Two years plus? And are you still close? Yes? Um, we are, we are. We're doing fine. I would say they're working together. We're working together on stuff, and we worked together and we've been closer than we are right now.

But I think it's just because our relationship kind of ended and then like sort of continued in a way where it's like we're not really we're in the like letting go place right now. So we're a little bit more a stranger than we have ever been. One of you had a boyfriend since he is Um, I don't know what he wants me to say, but I know what I will say, which is that he is dating someone else and I didn't know the person very well. And so it's tough, and I think that's understandably hard

for everyone. But and that's that sort of complicates the whole thing. And was that your first real breakup? It was my first relationship, first breakup, and I think that it was his third. So it was like hard for me in a way that maybe wasn't not to say that it wasn't hard for him, but it was just like, you know, that complicated things because my first time understanding what it's like because whenever my friends had broken up with someone, I had always been like, oh my god,

get over it, like bounce back. And now it's like realizing it's like a grief period. I had to her my first breakup was really epic and awful. And I don't know if you followed me then, but I like, like live tweeted the whole thing and was very public about it. This was what the ex boyfriend who was on the reality show about Fire Island I remember and then and the Jeffrey is also a Vulture recapper, and then he would gorgeous the Fire Island show. Yeah, it was,

it was so amazing. It was, Yeah, it was in retrostered like when I had the breakup this would have been like too, who knows, like ten maybe I love talking about art with you. The breakup online was like so humiliating. I think it's taken me like five years to like like recover my brand. This was six I think six years ago. Yeah, but then I had the boyfriend after him. I was dating when I met Augustus. Oh interesting, but it was a long distance thing. That

was with Australian comedian Joel Creasy. I don't know if you guys know him. Um, he might have been jfl jfl um. But I met him in Australia when Cole and I were there doing a gig years before, years ago, and UH came back and was like, for some reason decided because I'm so codependent and had like a good date with this person and it was like, oh, we're

going to be boyfriend's long distance from Australia to Los Angeles. Um. And managed to do it for a year, but then he was coming to visit and I met Augustus like two weeks before, and then I tried to keep it going and I didn't want to break up with him and always like too embarrassed and too nervous, so I had him still fly to l A. And then in my sleep Um started talking about Augustus and he woke up the next morning that was like, what, who's Augustus? I'm sorry, I know, I don't mean to like, I

don't mean to romanticize this. It was kind of magical. It feels like a fucking sex in the city store. Yes it does. And then get this ship so crazy. So then Aggie and I we you know, we get married, and then we're on our honeymoon in Mexico this summer and we're on a beach in Salilida, which is a beautiful little place. It's also um, we went there because Serbriena Jolie suggested it's where they met the donor sperm donor of their adorable baby Wolfee. I don't know if

you follow his adorable nous. Um anyway, so we went there, amazing place you highly recommended. Um. We're sitting on this little beach that we found that we like hiked over to. We've met these two groovy Australians. Um, we're all sharing a joint and then it's like, okay, we're all gonna read and then she pulls out my ex boyfriends newly released memoir with a chapter about me dumping him for

Augustus ship. So like on this tiny, tiny beach in Mexico, someone has come from a from Australia with an Australian published book with eight full like six pages that I I read before to make sure like he was very nice and um yeah yeah sure um and I was also I was supposed to help sucking ghost write the book,

um before we broke up. So everything about it was so crazy and so then he, uh, she's she's reading the she she's reading the book, and I was like, you know that you're about to get to a chapter about how I'm a horrible person. But in the end you'll see how we meet my husband and I and it was a beautiful thing. Isn't that bizarre saying it's so funked up? How like everything the world is too small?

Too small, too small? I mean, but I mean, but aren't we sort of like didn't we sort of ask for this in a way where it's like we've we've we've wanted to make ourselves visible, and so when when we do have these moments where our personal lives are sort of like thrown back at us, like from It is interesting because it's like, I mean, I'm not someone

who's ever wanted attention. I've never done anything to try to seek attention by any by any means know, but like, yeah, it's like when you're like trying to like make it and make it, you know, make yourself like a famous person and doing what you do. You then when you all of a sudden, like actually someone actually gives a ship about your personal life, you get really weird about you're I mean, so imagine being like super duper famous,

like imagine being like Jennifer Aniston or something. I mean, we don't have to worry about that at least I don't. I mean you never, I'll never never. You don't know that though, I don't know that. But the thing is like you like like you and a remake of In Her Shoes? I think you're going to be my day A little came. I think, actually, if we should do a remake of is in Her Shoes? Is even Annison in that rumor has it is a crazy movie. I don't know how did it get me? Every literally I'm

sure that's been on. How did it get me? Jordan and I watched it once and every other line was somehow something about how amazing Pasadena is. Literally it would be like blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. There's nothing like passaging like every other line in the whole time long of you and Jordan been friends? Are you guys best friends forever? Um? We are, really I would consider one of my best fees. Um. He and I became friends probably only like four or five years ago.

Oh yeah, that it feels like a decade and a half. Ye know. Now we like Matt and clicks really quickly. Yeah, so brilliantly. Um, we're going over to go He's coming with Uggy and I in Charles to the UK for the holidays. Were in good content aggies from London. Uh, And we're gonna go to London for a few days. But his parents recently retired and moved to the countryside. Oh I love that wilk show. I have to say, I think that that sounds like a very good vibe

you Jordan and Brian are doing as together. I don't know Brian, well, I've met Brian once, but I feel like and I like him though. He's one of the great guys. Everything I've heard about from him about people that work with him, and like he's a genuinely like good person, doesn't have like a like bitchy, mean spirited side like I do, or like so many people I'm friends with you. He has a warm energy. He has a very very warm energy. We were nervous to and he,

Aaron and us. We were all in the same dressing room and it was like this moment of like two and a half minutes bent by where no one said anything and we were like the same time. But it was so nice. Did you read Aaron's book? I want you so bad? I have not read it just came out. Yeah, it came out about a month ago. That covers amazing. I listened to the audio book and I cannot recommend it enough. I'm going to do the audio because I

want to hear her read it. It's She's great. And also Guy Brandam's audio book was amazing if you listen to it. Read the audio book was I mean the book as well, it's so good. I think that there's something to that. And also maybe they're just they feel like totally different experiences. Like I remember, like um reading Bossy Pants like obsessively when it first came out, and then like hearing her perform the book, it was just like, oh,

this is I love an audio book. Wait, but speaking of which, okay, so so you just being on the speech and finding out that this whole chapter is about you is so tripping insane. Does this go in your book? You have to write as I want to write, like an essays book, but like it's harder to do that, Like the y books were easy, like more easy to sell for some to sell, but to right to write. I feel like I could, but I'm so lazy that again,

it's lazy. You've published two books, but only because I got paid to do it without getting I have a hard time writing things on spec Okay, but I mean I hear you. It's a memoir. Is a memoir of Yeah, I guess you can see you know what I mean. But I mean, you're a proven quantity as a as a writer because you've been you're published author. That's true. Yeah, I think I will do that at some point. Please um.

I would definitely like to um. But but yeah, it's hard to like actually motivate yourself to do it when you're like, well I even sell this though, but you but they're just has to has to be a chapter on that. Yes, absolutely crazy, so crazy. It was the strangest straight just thing. Oh my god. Yeah, that sounds that sounds like a real moment. It's like I wouldn't know how to explain it in my head. As she pulled the book out of it back, Oh my god.

Then and then the couple and my husband well fucked right on the beach. Wait literally was like like cool, It was like amazing, how beautiful. That's art. That's art. I love talking about art with you, guys. Love talking about art. Speaking art. Back to art Chat. Art Chat is the title of Yes but speaking of art. Go ahead and ask the ques Jeffrey. Okay, we asked this question all our guests. What is the culture growing up that made you say culture is for me? Matt, can

you explain the question? So this is like a piece of pop culture, whether it be a film, uh, musical artists, something that you experienced in the pop culture lexicon that like you feel when you look back, you're like, yeah, that set me on a course or defined me in a way. Okay, I would probably say can I say two things? You can you can say three, you can say four. There's no fucking rules. Number one, death becomes her very like I think like the death becomes her

like a dark comedy. Um, you know, incredible female strong performances. Um. Just the entire aesthetic of like the l A of it all, the Hollywood of it all, the New York musical theater of it all, elements of competition. I think it's competitive. Yes, I mean we all have our own Madeline Ashton. Uh, that was very very intro. That's the

culture for me. And then the Rosie o'donald Show. Absolutely, yeah, Rosie o'donald Show was bigger for all of us than we can even realize because that actually introduced us to so much that just flew over. It was so it was so inherently gay without being gay. It really was. It captured like the city I wanted to move to in the world I wanted to be in without even really knowing it. Rosie o'donald for me is like I don't know if we've ever talked about this, I'm I'm

obsession with nothing more than that. Like roseo donald is my number one obsession. Rosie is anything else. If if her name, if no matter what it is, if she's involved, if it's an article, a movie, an episode, whatever. I will I have both Christmas albums. I will do anything. My favorite show is The View. Sure I've heard of it, And when Rosie peeks into the View, like because every ten years she's like a, yeah, it's never better than woman. Never.

Oh don't understand even the negative aspects of the View. You need that. Oh, yes, Rosie on the View is unprecedented television unprecedented. You know. She she uh co filled in or whatever for Julie chen the other day on you to that period when like I think it was right after Julie Chennett like officially left the Talk and they were bringing in all the different co host or whatever, but it was the day of the Kavanaugh hearing and

so beautiful. Yeah, and no one got to see it, which I think says a lot that Yeah, that certainly didn't air. She's always been right about everything, and she's always yes, I agree, and she's always always always just like been like unapologetically uh flawed and like broken and I love that. Um. But the thing about the Rosia Donald Show being this very queer thing that a lot

of people don't give it credit for. It is huge because think about like fucking even having Sutton Foster on doing all the time she had John Cameron Mitchell on promoting head vag and Ingry and off Broadway and like explain. You can find the clip on YouTube. It's fascinating. And she's trying. She's like explaining the show and she's not even out at this point. She's explaining the show to this you know, very very mainstream America audience and they're

like laughing. They like laugh at some point about like the description of the show, and she like stops and it's like open your minds for God's sake, is like a piece of art art, but it's it's so interesting

to watch. There's so many moments like that, like she with Sandra Bernhard sheet with all of her like this was, you know, for life to begin an iconic She would have people on also like that we're like doing shows at the Duplex no joke and be like, Okay, this woman is doing like a ethel Merman tribute show at the Duplex tonight, go see And then like on the most that was the biggest show on daytime. Crazy and yeah, sucking Sandra even was she doing like ours Nova Ship

at the time. It was like post at Sandra being like, you know, the big letterman guest and it was like her career like dip down a bit and like, but it was all those kind of people that were that she'd have on that. We're the first time I ever experienced any of those people. And also Rosie. What I love about Rosie is she loved the stuff. She loved, you know what I mean, No one loves anything more than she. Unapologetic she when she when she discovered Harry Potter.

Basically she was fucking in like the survivor Survivor. The episode when J. K. Rowling came on Rosie's that was huge and I'll never forget when she started weeping. But even before Barbara, I just want to say that curtain, it's like my own mother. It's the most beautiful thing. All those clips are online. You should watch the whole thing. Why don't they I don't know why they don't just put the whole thing like out that you could buy the same with Oprah, like on iTunes. It's a it

should be available to cry in shame. There's a great DVD though, of the Rosie o Donald Show Season one, Rosie Looking Back, and it's they basically all the best clips of season one, and it's like Rosie and like sweats and like barefoot, sitting in like an armchair, cross legs, um like watching the clips and like giving you like backstage behind the scenes kind of like uh, descriptions of what happened in stories, and she's taking it really seriously

and she's really or an estant. It's great. It's so crazy. I think the I think it's actually pretty similar to Hillary honestly, the way the public feels about Rosie I because she's been so tainted by the I mean, my mother, my own mother even said, like before before we all kind of woke up like that six or seven years ago, I'll never forget. My mom said, like, I love Rosie,

but I don't know. She seems really opinionated lately, and it's the thing that seeps into the public consciousness that women aren't supposed to to speak out, aren't supposed to have strong opinions, and when she had a strong, like liberal opinion, it turned people off, especially someone who was

beloved by mainstream media. And not only that, but like I think news organizations and like uh you know, like networks, they get angry at you when you are divisive or opinionated, because your don't appeal to everyone in their reading ratings get bad. And so she was totally thrown under the bush and she and she turned down like an insane amount of money, and I think it really pissed because

they wanted her to keep doing that show. She really did like four or five seasons, and then they offered her, I think, like a hundred million dollars to do two more seasons, and she was like, I don't need, like, I already have so much money. I've just made so much money. I'm not doing it. And I think like within that world of like the corporate old men who run everything like they were really, I think that like was such a slap in the face to everything that

they think matters. Uh. She Yeah, She's fascinating. If you've never read either of her books Find Me or Celebrity d Talks. Find Me is this amazing book that was during the Rosio Donald Show where this woman basically contacted her adoption nonprofit a like company h and I was saying she was a pregnant teen and needed help and Dad dada, and then basically Rosie got very involved in trying to help this kid and it realizes this isn't

a spoiler. This is with the books about that the person has is multiple personalities and its contacting her as like five She's like five different people she's talking to. Are this the same person? Yeah? And like she got so involved she like this person to New York. I'm assuming they're probably still in touch. It's a beautiful story. And then the Celebrity Detox book is about when she left The View and it's about like deciding to there's no I mean the fight between Rosie and Elizabeth on

the View. That's a moment forever and you can see Rosie, Yes, that's foot screen and you it's just this moment of like it's real path those it's it's and and Elizabeth. You can see the moment Elizabeth deciding to be who yes and and they? She had even said Rosie said, like, you know, I took Elizabeth to her first Broadway show. I really tried with her. And in that moment, Elizabeth really threw her under the bus. And when Rosie said she was cowardly, like that came from her soul, Like

and that's you only get that on our show. Like that view the views, but is it it's the best, but it's not great anymore. Well, I actually think it's having a little bit of anis. However, I think the fact that things are going so well right now at the show is not necessarily what we need from the show. We need conflict and we need someone. I think they thought so that Megan McCain was going to shake it

up more than than she has. But the fact of the matter is Megan McCain, while she's conservative, she's also reasonable and she's a friend to many liberals. They am No, I'm not saying that. I'm saying that something. And Abby Huntsman actually is pretty moderate. I actually don't. I mean, I hate Tommy Lauren and I you know, it's such a conflict conflicted thing to think like it should you

give her that platform? But there is something about like getting to see Whoopie Goldberg explain how the funk the world actually works on a daily basis, And I think what happens is I think they the conservative on the show, and this is just kind of true. They've always been.

They've always been kind of an idiot like Hastleback. She always needed her fucking copious pieces of papers printed out of Megan McCain is just very smart and like educated about the kind of things that she is educated about. I think some of her opinions are a little fun, but she's also an idiot about the things that she's not I would agree with like Michelle, a friend of the show, Michelle Collins will tell you that, yes that Michelle Collins, one of the truest icons of arist icons,

was robbed and also this was robbed. This campaign of her taking Megan Kelly's slot is well, there's no bigger idiot than Megan Kelly, because the thing about Megan Kelly is she's not even smart enough to be aware of that she is a racist. So it's like, you are a racist. You know what, Queen, you are a RACI you happened. She is very good history of all. She's

a very good Fox News interrogative prosecutorial reporter. She was very good at remaining com while stirring the hot on her guests and getting them upset and being like, well, you look ridiculous by She's very good at Fox News type journalism. But she is the opposite of warm. The idea that she was ever going to succeed on as in a morning show capacity is ridiculous. And didn't they Did they shorten Kathy Leonhoda for her? Or was that

a different slot? Um, it was a different slot. They just but I can't believe that the Today's Show would be so dumb as to give an entire hour to her. I think NBC News is someone needs to be fired over that. But she's officially out right, it's officially canceled, and she will have a different She's being brought out all unconfirmed. Well we should say this is gonna come out later. As of this moment in time, it's unconfirmed

what's going to happen to her. The latest um report from NBC News is that she's still currently an employee of NBC News, But there are obviously lots of leaks and discussions about how she's being brought out of this seventy million dollar Her deal is so fu it was huge, and I'm like, what Rosie Rosy turned out a hundred? Rosy turned down a hundred, y'all. It's just like, I

don't know, I don't know, guys. I stopped trusting Megan Kelly when she said Jesus was white and Santa was white it's like, what did you think you were getting? The delivery of the Santa one especially, it's just so funny. She's so like but kids Santa just is It's like what kids are watching your show? What kids are kids? It's just so Megan. Megan is the entire Rosie truly,

more than more so than Elizabeth. Yeah. I mean, it's just such a shame we don't have, like I want a Rosie like MSNBC Late, like a nighttime show right now. There was I think I read somewhere that there had been talk of that at one point, but like, well, her health isn't good. Well, I think she's because she had that heart attack. She I think, is like I can't bring myself to get so stressed out. That's why

she left. She sent to you and she did one year and she was like I actually have realized that this is a stressful show for her, and it wasn't a full year. I think she left. She was she left by Christmas, and you know what, we can't ask that much of her. But she's engaged. Good, she's getting married again to some like really I think fourth Mary, No, third,

you're right. Third, Yes, there was Kelly and then Michelle who Kelly and Michelle where she is her Beyonce, her new wife is like a really gorgeous police officer in Boston. They've all been beautiful a Boston. I also think people get weirded out by Rosie because she's a woman with masculine like like energy, and I think like that that I think is what really pisses Donald Trump off about her, is that like he sees parts of like she's an unapologizal but he wants that kind of strength and power

and he can't have a Rosie has that. I hate that because he's president and has done this thing in America that there's like of this nation that fucking hates her. So what that must be like to be her right now and be like my bully, my biggest bully in the world. President is the president. It's something I think he is obviously very offended by powerful women who he's never going to Yes, well, that's the thing is there's yeah, he has no use for her because you know, I

I believe that if well this would never happen. But I would be nothing more than if Rosie and Donald Trump, I mean that debate would be I thought you said, thought you want to say that they have had sex, I would not. Whatever happened. I was thinking about the other day, and I was just like, God, what do we have? And then I was thinking, like, of course, like what the natural thing would be to like want to put a woman up there to like show him

what the funk is? Really? What a way that Hillary never could just because there was so much public decisions already being made about Hillary and she could never get out from under that. But I was also like, you know, I don't know. Part of me feels like we do need to put someone on his level up there. And that's why I was entertained by the Oprah thing, is

that's officially not happening, right, we don't know. She has said no, and you have to believe when she says no. I do believe Oprah means no. She's starting the book club again. That's all I'm gonna say. Really, Yeah, she said she was she I think she's she alluded to that. She was like, Oh, if Reese Witherspoon's doing it, I

better started. And I love that John is taking race to task on this voting stuff that Rees has not has only done like a bass to get out the vote thing and not has not fully um done the Taylor Swift thing, and like John Early, I just been been being like, hey, can you actually like speak out against Marsha Blackburn and can you actually endorse the Democratic Cannona and Tennessee instead of just doing like fucking milktoast

get out the vote chick. Oh, I haven't seen that again, no Twitter, But I'm i'm I'm, I'm, I'm a stranger to all of your opinions. But there you go. I mean, I think, um, what if you came on the show and it was like a conservative podcast. Honestly, I would be very excited. It would it would be real. It would just be really interesting. It would just be so it would make you guys like even more interesting, Like it would just be like, I need to be what

are these guys all about? What are you guys after God? Somewhere out there like that we don't know about. There's a gay or there's a gay version of also us, but their conservatives. I would love to watch. I would watch a scripted show about you guys playing like a conservative like podcast. Write it someone someone right for us. We're not somebody out there. I'm not writing anything on

spec I've established that. And as we said, and look and and if and if you hired Jeffrey to a ghost write something for you, then you'll then you'll dat and break up. I'm so sorry. Oh my god, that isn't that just great? I mean, it is like a great it's a great like story. It's such a good story. I can't believe that it's It's just it's the perfect

kind of narrator. And especially after I was so horrifying and humiliating to my ex boyfriend when we when we broke up, like when I was like, it's the it's just the perfect payback. It's just you think you think. I think there's there was definitely some karma to it, for sure, but because I mean, like when I was broke up with my first ex boyfriend, I was so like on hinge on the internet to him and to his guy he started dating right after me. I was

so horrible. I think I still can't view his Instagram. I think he somehow blocked like my I P from my phone. I can't. I can't like to look. That's Chris Salvatore. Do you know who he is? I don't want to see the thing is, well, when do you

were sort of narrating all this. I did not care for him, Yeah, no, no, no, no. This this was like a time where basically it was like my first boyfrien and it was like the the ex boyfriend who it was like the first time, like a hot like guy who looked like from like a shun Cody video ever paid attention to me, and I was like so excited by that that like, you know, Dawson from the old Shandy video, remember him, Corban Fisher, Dawson Dawson and

Lucas I don't know, one of the greatest. Remember they didn't they did a whole fucking Czechoslovakia trip. They did, they did a whole Europe trip, and they did it sucked in different hoods, yes, And it felt like one of them had decided to date me, and so I had a very meldoc. And then when we broke up, he dated someone that who was also you know again like a very hot like Corbin fishery looking person, and then I just couldn't handle it because all my greatest

fears were personified. And so then year old lost his mind. So I think the karma of that lost his mind that's the title of But I think the karma of that led to me me having a chapter written about me in Joel's book. There you Go. I mean you survived all of it. I've survived, and isn't it's so funny that, like you were again fully mired in the socialist performative. Yes on displayformative, social media. Yeah, and now it's like we are sort of in this weird post

state that I never thought we would get to. Ever. Yeah, this is here to stay were this is how we're gonna be. Doesn't feel like it is here to stay, does it. It feels like it's sort of starting to break down a little. I mean, there's an element to it that will always be here, but like that like really performative like two thousand seven, Yeah, this is just like this would have been two thousand twelve. Yeah, but that it wasn't the peak of yet. Yeah, like that.

I feel like that kind of thing is kind of dying down. I love it. Just I welcome that me too. Yes, I have to be honest with you. Since we've been talking about porn, I've been thinking about my porner that I've been watching lately, which is do you guys know Carter, Dane and Alex Meekum, yes, yea. The video, the first video of them, um like they're they're they're dating and really there and they're in love and real life and

the love that important. The video, the video that they did together, you can literally see them fall in love and I actually kind of love it. It's like it's like Rosie and Elizabeth. And then you see the moment where they decide what they're going to be. Who is your number? Who are your porn staries right now? Who care? Dane is I think the hottest person in the world, although I do think a big Ricky roman is. I like Ricky Roman. I'm a big Levi Carter fan. Levi

Carter is a little small for me. I like that. Um, I like uh, I like this dude. Um Robert Axel but he's sort of fallen off. But he would do a lot of massage porn stuff that was like a fun little like my only little sort of vertically kinky niche. But then a massages just massage. It's like, oh cool, this is kind're not not kicking it all right, like totally erotic massage that you've never done it. Well, one time it was going in that direction, and I think

I was like, I don't know. I didn't say no, but like I think I treat yourself guys. I think had I looked over and made I contact once, I think it would have someone hire someone. It's so sex positive screen sewer fighter dot com. It's my favorite. We went to the strip club. Like I ended up giving a hundred and forty dollars to these strippers and one of them, I like, really went too far with strip in New York. Joe and I have compared notes afterwards,

and we both were bad boys. You were both very bad. They both got swindled from these from these I couldn't believe how much money I didn't have that I gave them. Yeah, but I'm I'm a big Darius Ferdinand guy. And he has he had boyfriends with is he boyfriends with Ricky Roman? Wow? That one of the hottest things ever. Also, to be honest, I got I gotta say, what's his name? Who takes

pictures at the gay events that we go hands. I one time I thought I was going to get talk up with Tight Hanson because I he deemed me on Twitter, and I actually because what happened was a friend of mine w had hooked up with him, and I was like, oh, it's not that hard to hook up with Tate handsome, and so I started following him on Twitter and you know, did the thing where I like faved a bunch of ships.

He slid into the d m um and we made plans to have I was here shooting I think difficult people and he made we made plans to like hook up that or meet up that night for a drink, and we were like texting back and forth, and I was going to meet him at Barracuda because he was judging some sort of like sinking content. And we finally meet up when and we're texting and he's like, okay,

I forget what he said. But I was like, okay, shut up, bitch something in text, and he wrote back this long thing that was like, please don't refer to me as a bitch. That is really hurtful. I won't take I won't take verbal abuse. But then we still we Like then I still went to Barracuda to meet him, and then he like sat in front of the stage to judge the lip sinking or drag or whatever it was, and I like sat behind him. It was so strange, and he didn't speak to me the whole time. I

was so it was right. That sounds like he was either going through a tough moment or it is fully crazy. I think I was going through a tough moment. It was dark. It was dark. Wait, what's the name of the guy who has like a huge ass and a huge dick? Every single person I would know him. You wouldn't know him. You wouldn't know him anyway. I feel like his name is like Hector or something. Okay, okay, anyway we we He like hit me up on grinder

one time. He was like, come to my hotel him and I've literally I chickened out just because I knew the sexual experience would be harrowing. Harrowing. You didn't do it? Yeah, I got it. I love talking about art with you, guys. I love talking about art with speaking of art, let's move on to I don't think so. This is our Wow, it's our classic segment that we have on the podcast. It's really I mean it's a classic. Are you going

to be in l A and in early December? Uh? Yeah, I'm in l A for two weeks in December and then I go to the UK if it's well, I really want you. Joel and I are going to be doing I Don't Think So Honey Live out there, and I want you to be on it where you working. He's working, so Joel Kim Booster is gonna host me.

I guess this is a good time to tell you guys, get your tickets to I Don't Think So Honey Live at the Bettlehouse on November as well as I Don't Think So Honey Live on December fifth of the region and downtown Los Angeles. And we're also going to be doing Um Queers Live at Joe's Pub November. You'll be here at Joe's Pub Monday night. We're gonna be recreating a diva's live, but it's not gonna be like we're gonna do their songs. We're gonna do our own songs.

That has me bone Yang Joel can no, Joel's not doing it, Josh, Aaron Cole, Larry Peter, a Line, We're gonna be having a fun time and more to be announced and presenters as well, presenters as well, non musical presenter just like Jennifer and just presented presenting you guys like you come out into a little bit present us. I like, it's so self indulgent, and it will be to a charity that we have yet to be decided that we have yet is the epitome of self indulgent.

It's truly a question. Feature on Instagram. I like, but um, so, I guess it's time for I think so mony, I do have one. This is Matt Rodgers. I don't think so many's time starts now. I don't think so honey. This Bohemian Rhapsody movie, I have not seen it. I have seen some of the reviews. Apparently it's terrible. I could have told you that from the fucking god awful trailer. I do not think so honey. This Brian Singer garbage bullshit because I'm sorry, but why did we give him

this movie? Why if you? And also I don't think so honey, all these awards people being like it could give you know I'm in for an Oscar. No it's not. Here's a reason directed by Brian Singer. No thank you. Also, I don't think so honey. Again, not that this really matters at this point, because it's just gonna keep happening. But Robby Malick is playing Freddie Mercury, a famously queer person, like we couldn't find any queer actor to do this.

Not that I super really care about this, because I do always think an actor acts, but the thing is, like, guys, it's Freddie Mercury. Fu. I have to also say, I don't think so, honey. The c g I and the trailer that pans out to the crowd, which it sounds like it looks like a million people just copy and pasted, like if you're gonna have a crowd shot, get a crowd or just cut the crowd shot. I don't think so, honey.

This movie it looks bad. It probably is bad. I'm not going to see able him around, Yeah, I agree, I'm not not no thank you, I'm just a note thank you all around. Because it's like and also I didn't even mention this, and this is actually was my biggest problem with it. But the trailer tries to insinuate that there's going to be like a heterosexual romance in the movie, which is like really inappropriate. It also like I felt like that they have him wearing like fake

bad teeth. Yeah, and it's they're almost comically it's such a strange detail to like really like dry even worse than nose in the hours. Yeah, it's it's weird because it's like we didn't know what Virginia Wolfs nose looked like, so we don't need this. And also, like, if you're gonna fucking highlight something about Freddie Mercury, maybe the fact that he was queer, I don't know, maybe not his teeth. Maybe the fact that he was queer makes him more dynamic.

Did you see the little clip of him in an area where someone I think it was someone him into um the the the grungeery magazine, um Uh asked him would you call a simple question like not even would you Ray or Roy? Would you call Freddie Mercury a gay icon? Would you consider him to be a gay icony, a gay figure? And then Ramy just tried to dance around it and said, you know, I wouldn't qualify him as anything, and I'm sorry, but you're playing Freddie Mercury.

That means you've stepped into the gay space regardless of what you think totally, And it's yeah, it's like, what I mean, are you doing some risk assessment here with saying like, oh, I can't say, calling a gay icon. Otherwise people think I'm gay? Who is? And we joke about that a lot on the show, But that's eraser. That really is a raiser. And you can't deny what brought Freddie Mercury into this world his talent like and and also what took him out of this world? And

it's bow yanks. I don't think so any time. Um wait a minute, and as time starts, now think so, honey, this banger less era we're in with our pop stars who all just want to deliver you a vibe and not actual hooks bitch speak. I love the New Robin, It's amazing. But also like this conscious direction that all of all of our pop songstresses are going in where it's like, Okay, we're giving you We're giving you a mood, we're giving you a vibe. It's not gonna be anything memorable.

You can't really bop to it. We're not going to give you bops is truly crazy, Like it decentralizes this whole thing in music where it's like okay, now, now, now, now we have to rely on these like we have to discover a bop through a kimpetress, like we have to like search for that through other people. Like that is more work on our part and like we don't have I don't have the emotional labor to do that,

you know what I'm saying. And also this is not to like dictate theirs in any way, and like their artistic vision is their vision. But I want, like god, I want like a solid like teenage dream type album, like dangerous Woman album where it's like we haven't had that in a long time, and who will deliver us back into that zone and just that space I'm so curious to see. And that's that's one man, and that's

one minute. I have to say. It's like, you know, they're all deciding at the same time to do this sort of like banger lists, like sparse, minimalist thing where the funk is the hook. Did you like the Kim Petris Halloween album? We loved it and wen Kim Petris popping so much right now because she's the only ones making efforts to give you hooks. Yes, I'm very I'm I did. I had not. I was not aware of Kim Petri's until everybody was posting that album, but then

when I heard she did a duet with Elvira. I was very sold and I was I'm very into that album. I got my sister and her friends into Kim Petri's. I was I just like, did this experiment, Like it was like two months ago, was like the late summer, and like I was put them and I was. We were driving out too. We were going to go to the Montop Lighthouse and I was like, you know, the

fire own lighthouse. And we were driving and I was like, a lot of life has something, such a real culture number forty, A lot of life has on island, and um, we were driving out there and I was like, let me just slide on Heart to Break and I put it on and they kind of like eight out of ten responded. Then I put on I don't want it at all. They were like, what is this? And now they're obsessed with her amazing, But she's the old She's she's in a very um sparse field. And that's why

power position position, power position, um god blast um. Okay. Jeffrey Seuth, Jeffrey Sells, I don't think so, honey, and his time starts now, Okay, I don't think so honey. Snakes. I am so against snakes. I hate fucking hate snakes. I think that like if if, like you could like push like a button or do something the chemical in the air that killed all snakes before. I hate people who have pets pet snakes. I guess they're disgusting, they're weirdos.

I don't trust to their people. But what really I don't think so, honey, More than any thing else is those fucking people who stand on the street with a giant snake with like a twinkle in their eye and you can pay them to take pictures with like we're holding the snake. I don't think so the snake doesn't want it. I don't want it the people passing, but I don't want it that you are a selfish creep. I saw this happen in Times Square the other day. It was cold. I thought, I don't think no, thank

you snakes, and that that was really good. And you know what, I don't think, so honey, snakes. I fucking hate them. And it's just like, you know, it's like the one animal that I truly think, you know, why are you here? There are no I don't Anybody who's coming to defend a snake is not someone I want to have in my space them. We don't need them.

We do not need them. If someone must do something, I'll tell you something if if you you know, snakes means more rodents, If I I honestly fine, okay, but then okay, and then you're you're a fan of snakes on this whole trend now thanks to Taylor is the snakes on jewelry thing. I mean I don't care about that, but like, for example, I was like out of friends the other day and like they like they had a snake casually brought out a snake no, and I was like, this is this isn't okay? And I made him put

it away. Are they in the industry, Yeah, that's not acceptable. If you're in the industry and you have a snake and then something you're hiding something. It's just it represents something, you know, the way that you can like when you meet someone who has a pet bird, like you're like, oh, I know everything I need to know about it. No, thank you, But like a pet bird at least is like pretty and everybody's like, oh that's nice. But like wants that zoos need to get rid of their snakes.

You never know when you're gonna turn a corner and there's gonna be one. When we were in on acid at the San Diego Zoo, you know, we're looking at the some sort of thing that's swimming in the water and it was a crocodile outgate or some ship. And then you turn and then in this aquarium was this just giant, hideous garbage pile of a snake. And the way they reflect lights and they're just they pointless, They offer absolutely nothing. The way they metabolize the things that

they eat is absolutely frightening. And if you ever gotten eaten by a snake, I'm so sorry. You know that thing where like the hot fucking I couldn't stop looking at it. That that article about the guy who like fell asleep on the street in India and like was swallowed whole by like a cobra and like he was killed obviously, just no, So we're so sorry for that. Also, bolt constrictors and literally constrict you until you suffocate and

then they break your bones. I don't think disgusting, thank you, So fuck snake. Any animal that has an instinct to kill you painfully, I don't think so. Yeah, But again, like I don't mind an alligator crocodile, I do mind, I mean I don't want to hang out with one, or I would never no, God no, like I had a dinner party of twelve. No, there would not be on that list. But I do not think they I wouldn't.

I'm not like, let's get rid of all the crocodiles, alligators, but snakes, I genuinely am let's start a movement, let's get rid of them. Really so they're on the top of your list. And if you could get rid of every shark in the world, you'd be like, No, I don't. I mean you don't. Again, I don't like sharks, but like I like like reading about sharks, and not all sharks are harmful sharks, sharks get a bad rap. They're at least interesting, as I think snakes are probably stupid.

You know, sharks are really smart. Snakes there's there's there's really nothing redeemable. Not maybe more rodents. I get your what you're saying, there would be more rodents. But I would rather be like in a bathtub of mice than like have to like look at a snake on because at least mice are also mammals and therefore you can get on their level. Yes, get on their level. That's huge for any animal, you have to get on their level. Culture,

for any animal, you have to get on their level. Um, that was a very that was that was That was a c felt like a classic clean I don't think so. It was really good and I've never thought about It's one of those I don't think so honeys where it's like you haven't thought about it, but you're like, oh my god, I've known this all my life. I've known since I was little. I don't think so honey, snakes, No, get them out of here, and we're I think we are entering a time of snake shaming. If you have

a snake, who are you be? Evaluate honestly reevaluated because of Taylor, she is making the snakes popular. Well, then this week everybody was like, because Brittany years whatever, they were showing the I don't know what spirit was being talked about this week, and I'm like, I don't know. They're literally bombs going off being said, but she they were. Then they were talking about that that snake and there

were pictures of that snake. Again, for some reason, that snake doesn't bother me as much because the color is kind of pretty, but it doesn't look like it's like the color makes it look not like snakes. But no, I still think that snakes should be killed, but I just that one doesn't piss me off as much. But I just I don't want like I hate when I'm scrolling through my feet eat and there's a snake just of any kind? How long does snakes live? Too long?

I feel like they probably. I'm wondering if that Britney spears obviously for you snake snake is still alive. You're looking it up. I'm looking at up right now. But then there's gonna be a picture of a snake on your phone and you're gonna have that. Okay. He doesn't feel as bothered by snakes as you do, so I think he'll be okay. How long do they live? Uh, BoA's usually live for twenty five shows fifty years, get

a live. Many holly breads have a life spin off between fifteen and twenty five years, and smaller species live for five to ten. So the slave for you era was two thousand, three thousand four, So I guess we can sit two do one? Are we sure? Because ninety nine was was? I want to say, so we can safely assume that the snake maybe alive. It depends on

how old it was that a Boa constrictor. I think it wouldn't have been safe python a python, Yeah, that it wouldn't have been safe on her, like go away, no, don't bring that into a building. There was an interview with her and they were like, would you ever do that again? She was like, oh my god, no. Yeah. She was like it was really bad when I did it, and I didn't bad too. There's no no reason. There's

no reason we had. I had like a little kid's birthday party, and like they brought out a snake one time, and it was like, why didn't you have a little kid's birthday party? It was like when I was a little kid, Oh, I think that you were hosting a children's birthday party. I was like, come on, kids, I'm having a birthday party for you. Don't admit that on air. Yes, no, But when I was little someone one of my friends had a birthday party and we couldn't get pictures taken

with like the big yellow snakes. Was like sitting on our shoulders. That's discussing and I think it's wrong too. For to the snake. I mean, I hate snakes, but I still think they should be forced to do that. Yeah, it's like they should be alive with their dignity or murder with their Just put them all on an island. Like literally, Australia is like a Jurassic Park. Yes, exactly, that's exactly what I was thinking. Oh, Australia is actually

perfect for snakes. Well there's still uns of them there, but because there's tons of the kangaroo populations get out of control unfortunately, maybe the snakes can bite the kangaroos rather more kangaroos than more snakes. But apparently kangaroos are like not so nice, their nightmare and they're they're basically Australian people consider them to be like rodents. Yeah, either like the deers when you go to Long when you go to Fire Island and there's like so many fucking deer.

But but they like literally they can punch you. They're like really aggressive, whereas a deer it just run away from you. Oh my god. I just remember that a kangaroo is a marsupial and therefore it's not a mammal and you can't get on its level it's so important. I had a kangaroo as a publicist for a couple of years and she just she didn't understand. Just no, she just we could never communicate. She didn't get it. She didn't quote unquote get it. That kangaroo did not

get ahead of the chapter in the book. She did not. She did not. Before we spin off into a whole other podcast about marsupials and reptiles and the animal kingdom, we should probably wrap up. We should wrap up a talk talking about these animals. Really, it makes me want to trip on acid someday. With Jeffrey out of zoo, I was like, I would love to literally the two of us should fly out there and you can recreate. But t is very good. Un't go anywhere else, but

there's going to an aquarium. Although see, animals scare me more surely, yes, because they're unpredictable, the way they move, the way they move. Jeffrey, we love you so much. I love you so much, Thank you so much for having me. I just I'm such a fan. We've been trying to get you at well because you're here and I'm you know, you know what I was going to try to do the live one in l A. But it didn't work out. I was hopefully December. Okay, let's

make that happen. Let's make it happen. Um, we love you so much, Jeffrey, Thank you so much. Please check Jeffrey out on on every great gay show, Truly Difficult People, thirty Rock, Search, Party that You're Out, classically a gay show, classically a GI I mean actually yes, there's there's there's a queer aspect to it. Yeah, some good gig characters.

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