"Apples and Judaism" (w/ Ben Platt)

walk to what that is. There's probably a subreddit that you love, and there's it's probably toxic, but they probably love Kelly as much as you do. I would say there's not a lot of toxicity amongst Kelly fans. Say they're very, they're very, they're you know, they're a god fearing folk and they're really really good, and there's a toxicity. And religion, well that's trust. If this is going to

become a whole other podcast, we can do that. I tweeted you want to know before you I'm sorry, before you go on, I just have to say that I tweeted something that I immediately deleted last night. I said, tolerant religious people are hot and or are graded on a curve that is very generous. Oh, I might delete this and then and then I tweeted, and then I like, just to cover my bases, I replied to myself, and I go, this is all constant with the idea that

organized religion has caused war and count immeasurable suffer. Why did you delete it? This sounds because then all these people were like someone was like, it's you're talking about. It's Christianity in particulars like oh God, and then everyone and then people just came in and they were like, not letting me say that hot, tolerant with just people were attractive. But bow and Yan, can I say something to you? You're trying it. You were trying to start

a fight. I was not trying to start Angeles itself. You were on fire and I was a gender revealed party. Cut the Los Angeles comment. I think that you sometimes will just I think you will that light a cigarette. Here's what I think you'll do. I think you'll light a cigarette and you'll toss it away and you will put it out A little fire starts. Who was responsible? Never happened anyway? Um? Okay start Yeah, when are we

seeing Kelly. I can't believe that you didn't know this, but she is going to be starting a residency at this Appos Theater, which is the same place Christina Aguilera, who the vocals are intact. We stand Christina a live. We know for a fact the vocals are intact for Kelly. So you said aprils when she starts big time, big time April first. And then she made a cute joke about how this is not in April. Fool's joke. Yeah, yeah,

it was. It was lightly funny. Um. And then I I said, well, let me go right to the to the website for tickets, and I do have like a special code that I can type into. I can see things before the general public. She's only doing like nine shows. She's like, I have a residency. It's like two and a half shows, So we have to pick. We have to pick. Oh, but it's only in April, April, May, in July, September. But I'm telling you, it's like, I

got it. Maybe I gotta do June sprinkled throughout June Vegas trip sounds like a nightmare weather wise, but it sounds absolutely inside. It sounds like it could be fun. Yeah, just I don't know. Oh I would love to. You know, the last time I was at Vegas, I was in Sutie when I was on Who Wants to Be a million And well the idea was that, well no, I went to PF Change with Dave, So yeah, I did make it to PF Change famously. Not a buffet, that thing entirely awhere. But the time before that, I was

a suitie to be on Millionaire. And then we got drunk at the pool and our plan was to go to the all you can eat buffet together, but I ended up going by myself. And let me say that, being at all you can eat buffet in Las Vegas by yourself at eleven pm on a Tuesday, it is sad. It makes you feel bad. Yeah, and I bravely just sang in front of our guests, Oh my god, the nerve. It's insane. I should be shot in the streets. You should be shot in the street, should be hung, I

should be drawn in quarter. Come on, don't this imagery is bad? This makes me This is is violent imagery. And our guest, what a damn star. Speaking of Kelly Clarkson. Recently, our guests actually had a duet with Kelly Clarkson, wish I'm going to ask about we got to ask about to do. Here's the thing, loving Kelly as I do. She may have been a little bit outshown in that. Not that not that singing as a competition. It's act a rutal culture number eight, not that singing a competition.

But our guest is he goes like well sometimes, um, our guests is, I think one of the most beautiful singers.

That one of the most beautiful singers that exists, Tony Award winner, Tony Award winner, not even just like not even just like a like never nothing like a recent Tony wins that are like, yeah, cool, do you have to give him one at some point until they want for this, But this is like he wanted for an iconic performance and you know, iconic that like just hoards and hordes of adolescence and we just adults, like we just had our guest Taylor Trenchon, who um also did

the role after our iconic guest. I mean, we've been stacking the damn guests later. We've been having a lot of Evan Hanson's studio, you know, you know, you know, I know a lot a lot of Ernst. Yeah, I have a lot of art in my contact list. What do you think this isn't Ernst? Yeah? What do you think that says like Daniels and Earnest? Yes, they go I go on, they go on. Taylor was an Earnest? Was I think Taylor might have been an Ernst? No, no, no,

Taylor was a milky difference. Um. Of course, of course Haunten is the top Earnst to the bottom, and More's is fluid, um fluid like the trees the trees. Um, this is I mean, this is a huge, huge deal. Um. Season two of the Politician in production now in production. Honey, you can watch. He's in One of the Politicians right now. He happens to top line in the series. And this is one that also has fucking Gwyneth Peltrow and just like a lying in it. So imagine to top top

line that a true star. He's topping too off and then he's topping two offscars honestly my dream. And then and then god, I just can't wait. What you haven't heard the album sing to Me instead? Have you heard the single of the rain thing to Me instead? Beautiful album? I would say really quickly. I can't wait for the technology to be there when someday for it to be possible to top two people at the same time. Actually,

I actually have I have scientists working on that right now. Yes, I recently and I have have I have, I have my I have used all my resources to give a secret code that you can plug into like a promotional promotional box or something. What it is is and this is how, this is how it is, and stay with me here. I don't get a retinal scanner, so you look them in their eyes and they get a second butth hole, yes, no, that's not no, it's you have to get Oh no, let me get to this to

the lab now. Matt just left. Um okay, I'm so sorry, politician. You could you could take a bite out of the show. That's how rich it is. And here we go. It's a dan cake. Here's the here's the fucking gag for me to be in a Songdheim film. I mean that is that? That is like that, that is the end.

I'll be all And can I tell you how we stand in this house, Beanie, Beanie, Beanie, We fucking stand Beanie in this house and we love book smart we love Book Smart, and we love Miss Noah, Miss Molly We Stand Miss Noah and they had a nice fourth person Halloween costume. Let me tell you something I told you about when I saw Miss Noah and a waitress. Yes, burned it down. You were blown away, killed, blown away? Oh? And can I just out our friend Pat Regan out

him Pat Reagan's game. Molly Molly Gordon was at What We Stand. We Stand was at um the after party that I brought Panelong too. My god, whether we And then I see Molly Molly and then she comes over, says high and likes star struck to see Pat gorgeous. She's obsessed and they start talking and then she walks away and then Pat runs over to me and goes,

who is Wait? Who was that? I was like, Pat, like you were just a three minute conversation with her asleep, And then I told her what she was and she was like, oh yeah, I love her. I was like yeah, oh yeah, um but wait so and also our guests will be our guest on the Sea Culture Live event, which will happen as of this tapering. It's happening tonight. We'll see what's going to go down We're very excited and I am so excited, so excited to welcome to

Last Cultures. Ben Platt even just like it's it's so crazy because for you to be here and to know there's people out there are like looking for you right now. Not really, no, they are there. They were waiting outside your dor Havant hit the whole time you were in it. That was like chaos with stage door, crazy crazy every night. Yes,

I stopped going pretty extort after started. It was also it was like December is really cold, and like I was trying to sing that thing all the time, like eight times a week, and it became like such a like an event to go out there. And also people who didn't see the show would come and just stand at the door just to like be like the place to be and have me signed the back of like Natasha Pierre play though, and I was just like, I'm

going home, no, honey. So basically okay, so you talk about singing it, and we talked with Taylor about this. Can you just say about Kelly that when I sang with her, she like whispered to me and she was like, by the way, I'm doing a right Vegas residency like

I was like, what my god. It was like she like led up to it and like it was like this big event, and but she doesn't have time to really do a residency because she's doing her own Ellen grooming to take over Ellen Talk shows the fucking Voice. So it's like, Okay, I understand that it's nine shows, and like we're calling it a residency, but I'm here for it. I'm here for too, and we're gonna go wait.

But now that you've brought up Kelly, so can you talk about the experience of being on the key this is this is huge for me, of course, it's it's really new, like it's brand new. So like you can tell that they're all still sort of like finding their footing, but everybody across the board is like just as like bubbly and kind and sweet as she is. You can you can tell that, like whatever meeting they had at the beginning, it was very important to her that like

everybody be treated like very kindly. It's very colorful, They're it's really sweet. It's definitely very like Middle America, like let's talk about the state, let's talk about Jesus. Like my other guest on my show is Tyler Perry and we were talking a lot about like God's intervention in our lives. I don't know if I'm on the same page, but like I'm here for all of you. Um, and it's yeah, it's very positive, very daytime. Yeah, but wonderful.

That's what Darcy said. Darcy texted me and Darcy Carton was also on the show The Best and so she was like, Okay, was justin Kelly Carson show. Thought of you the whole time and you should know that she's the sweetest person ever. And you know Jill Kim Booster is going on I think this week. Yes, you need to come with me, And I'm like, I'm not coming with on his Sunny Side tour on on Sunny Side. Yes, yes, Um, Why what we've talked about this at nauseam. What is

the ideal scenari for you to ever meet her? You cannot keep avoiding them. Yeah, well we'll go to the show and then you can meet there is that bad? I think? I think here's here's what's going to happen. You will come with us to Vegas. So I'll go to Vegas and then it'll be like, well, Ben Platt wants to go back to see Kelly, and then I'll be like, well, duh, and so I'll be like I guess I'll go, and then maybe I'll go back then

at that time. But here's the thing. I don't think you'd want to be around me, or I don't know if I'd want you to be around me when it's because I will break down and cry. I I definitely I absolutely have to be there to see this. And then Ben well of course, right, So the light plans are we're going to see her on one of her light honestly, light plans. When I say light plans, no it's not. It's not a light plan. I can go to Vegas. No, no, no, it's a light plan because

the ticket tar and plot. Okay, so just culture right now, right off the top. It's a light plan. When we say in April is good for me if it's good for you April, Okay, what if we go? What if we went on April one itself? Is that the first show? Yeah? Okay, great, April were here, were literally here in Vegas. Jared is gonna die and you know Jared, I do. I got to when he was first like chopping around the amazing script that he had when when it was going to

be like a TV situation. We met and talked about it, and I was just a fan of how smart and funny and great he's he's a very good boy. And you also, yeah, and you see that. And you also ran into each other at my favorite place, oil Can, Harris. Have you been to Harry's. I've been to one in Austin, not the one in l a. It's the only place that I can stand to be in Los Angeles. Oh, okay, talk about this, talk about this, what's what's what's what's

it's the same point. It's just like very unadorned, and it's very come and be and just like dance and have no inhibitions and like not in a place where everyone's like daggering me. Yeah, it's like that can happen there and has happened there, But that's not like the purpose of going. It's so much much freer experience. Also, it's in studio city on the street where it's like strip malls and everything is closed and it's just oil Can, Harry's and nothing else. So it's not like you're going

to hop from place to place night. And also there's like they do a really fun disco night and can I tell you who? I ran into a disco night at one time. So I'm friends with um Travis Coles and Liza Yes the Perfect and Camiko Glem Wow Sam I. At the beginning when she was in it, she was great, But I've since watched many a YouTube video of her when he sees me, which I feel like, is the way I love that song, the way in the recording

she says facts and figures. Yeah, she has this beautiful like you're not sure if it's a mix or a belt, but it's all in the one place kind of a voice, and I really love it. It's like, yeah, it's kind of like you you sorry, it's gonna when whenever you're around like this is how you know, like we are ship singers. It's because whenever you're around like a real singer, it's like the sound is like so much smaller than you think it's going to be, and you're like, oh,

how it's that easy for you? Like I just did we recorded a game show as a series for Quimby and our house band. Is this is the joke? Is that are the roots? Is this one female singer who's a slay, tell me if you remember this person. Her name is von Zel Solemn. I think the iconic season three second after carrying four. Season four, I'm sorry. Season

three was of course fantasi a moment um. But she like when you listen to her, like when this the like recordings of her, you watch her singing American Idol, you would think she is like the loudest voice in the world. And then I'm around her and I'm like, you're like, it's so it's pure and it's not. It's private. It's private, and it's it's it's intimate. It's trusting that Mike, trusting that Mike, because that's how it makes it sustainable

to singing. Is you can't you can't always rely on your own Okay, Okay, So actually I think it's going to be a rule of culture. Rule culture. It's trusting that trusting that Mike. Were you because you you start you played Winter Up, I did play Win Throw, so you were. She's been singing since he was but a child, sweet wee child child Like I always think about kids singing and how I always think about it's just on

my way here about a child singing. Singing is not no but it's like it's like like where does that like when does it become a conscious thing? Is it just like you're singing? Right? I I've thought about it. I mean I think like it's very instinctual for a really long time. And then I just remember doing Oliver when I was like seven or eight and singing Wears Love and then like hitting the last note and being like, oh,

I know this is a good note. And then I've really hit something like that, this is clear, and like I've I've reached a register that I like. And then from that point on it was like, oh, there's like a skill involved. It's beautiful. And then and then all I wanted was a vibrato for Christmas. Yeah, honestly, And when when did you get your progress Veronica? To be fair, Yeah, yeah, I got it when I was playing Harold Hill in

The Music Man when I was eleven years old. Um, during seventy six trongd bones that popped out and I was like finally wow. And then honestly, you've have to say you've kept that gift. Oh my god? And what what you were? Like? What hew old are you? When that happened eleven years old? Singing you Got Trouble and just that's I love that show. I love that when I'm sad for Hugh and Sutton. Yeah, you know, I said, you know who I saw do the music man, Eric McCormick.

That's what was my Harold Hill Really Okay, so I saw it on Broadway. It was no actually, but no, but I would have loved to see that. I saw it. Rebecca Luker was mine. Well that's equally gorgeous. Did he replace Craig Berco? Is that why? I think so? Yeah? But I remember like it was like this, like it

was Christmas. My parents. We would go until every every like Christmas, and we'd see like and I remember we were everyone was so excited about Will and then you hooked up with Will and Will and Grace kissed him on TV Harold Hylen went throp full circle. No, it's great. It was like I'm finally grown up, and then I just got asked to play a high school student like six more times. So then never mind. I fully find

Eric mccorm to be hot, Yeah, I really do. And it's a combination of him actually being very handsome and also he's Will, so it's like it's both. You know what I mean what he means and what he stands for mixed with how actually cute he is. Yes, because he's extremely cute and endearing. I've heard very kind, very very kind. There was like okay, so I'm just gonna

adjust my body to say that. Hettish. There was like a magazine cover one time with the four of them in like bed sheets, and you remember like me being like eleven or twelve, like you saw like Eric McCormick and Seawan Hayes is like nipples, and I was like, I was like a little freak. Sean really, Sean really did it for me. And still he's still so good looking. Um whatever, Still who cares? But like God will and

grace whatever is happening now, God, God, God blessed. Wait, so you were on the first episode of the second the first I was this on the second episode? Yes, so would we say you were the first guest? I mean, if you want to yea, um, that's God. But you're but you're not an l a lover. I am not.

I grew up there until I was like eighteen. I went to Jewish day school there in high school on top of west Lake with everybody ever and and I always kind of knew, I mean on like a superficial level that I wanted to come here for the theater and like for for being near Broadway and all that. But I think also just like energy wise and like being an anxious, like neurotic person, I feel like since everybody else here is also anxious neurotic, it like feels

really good. And la, it's like I'm kind of like against the grain of everybody being very calm. And yeah, also it's very like disparate in l A, like everything is very and then New York. You can like make the choice every day New York, like, do I want to feel like surrounded by a million things and part of a giant thing or do I want to feel totally anonymous and like isolated? And then la, I feel like it's only isolated unless you're gonna like drive half

an hour and page twenty dollars for parking. The parking of it all is but it's really nice all the time. So that's nice the way, but the way we just distilled that beautiful but truly like, but I haven't heard someone like put it in those terms. That's great. Where Beanie located here based here, I mean we're both by coastal, but it's great to have by visibility. She's here when she's not being a full blown movie star. Yeah, oh my god, did I mean all my best friends are

in books. It's so and it was incredible. I mean it was incredible. I'm just it's amazing to watch her. We were best friend since her fourteen, always knew that she'd be I think we both like assumed that we would just be doing the theater like Broadway thing, and we both have which was amazing, and we did at the same time, which was great. But now to see like all the different things she's doing in the way that she's like blowing up as like a film person

is like. But then I think the first time I, I like, I like clocked her was probably Ladybird, of course, and they just had along with the nation, we fell in love. They had such a good, like lived in relationship, and I was like, that's her biggest strength. I think he can make everybody, anyone she's working with, feel like she's known them forever and inside her not that was the wrong thing, but there. Yeah, yeah, you can feel

like you're inside that's what that's what. No. But but Basically my favorite thing about Lady Bird was I felt like every single role was so perfectly cast, Like it just felt like every single person there like like if there should be an Oscar for casting, because even Timmy as the French, like, yes, what is that? What does he correct her? I mean he's outside the coffee shop and she says the name of the book wrong and he's like it's called something French. Ye. Yeah, yeah, you're

the sexiest person I've never seen or whatever. Yeah. He actually does be shut up, stop, I hear to have you have you seen Little Women yet? No, I'm dying too. I'm sure he's amazing. Yeah, but I just hear that. It's like someone tweeted, um, little women suffers from the same problem read Lady Bird. Um, it's this beautiful movie that like has that expresses all these different things, that these ideas that you think could be expressed, and then you go back to living your sad, pathetic and then

you have to go do laundry. Yeah that's what the tweet was. Yeah. I was like, oh, that's that. It's true, a perfect ad for Little Women. I'm kind of like loving the sar shut Timothy like sort of moment that's happening where they're in filmically or do you mean like you want them to like date? I mean, I guess I wouldn't mind if they dated, But I love like the sort of like um like the way that they're being sort of that they do stuff together. I like that.

I was trying to think of who would be like a parallel from the past of like people that consistently like like bum free and I'm free and boar. I know people are like allergic to Laila Land, but I feel like, God, can I say something? I am not allerged to thank you very much? And I also know we gotta get that. Did that produced that? We got to get over it? No. I have said from the beginning that I stand Land on this podcast, I also in the very beginning. And also people need to be

less crazy. When there's a movie that you also like and then you call the other movie trump, it's like, I agree, I agree. I'm glad we're as a nation moving forward. Absolutely, it was such a moment, But I mean, god, I'm a she's hosting the met thing. I did? I mean, And it's like when we think about fashion, do we think about Meryl and then you think about that question, You're like kind of yeah, I think about anything it

can get to Meryl. You know what I mean. It's like maybe one degree of separation for any topic together, everything is an estuary to Merrow, absolutely, thank you, because esther means that it has salt water in it and it leads back to the ocean. And I knew that

the whole time I said it. Thank you. Um Meryl fucking War Remember that year at the Oscars when she was nominated for Devil Wars products more like ombre glasses and chunky turquoise necklace or some ship and She's just like, I'm not gonna win, But yeah, what is the what is the theme? Oh, it's stick duration. It's like time fashion in time. But it's also like inspired by the aesthetic of this movie that's very like, uh, it looks

like a Victor not Victoria. Yes, Marian Toinette, Like everyone's just going to come in like those kinds of sounds, I guess, and then all the men will just wear tuxed, doesn't. Yeah, have you been a few times. I've been twice. The first time I went alone and I was like very a place. It was when Evan Hanson was off Broadway, and it was only because Anna Winter had come to see the show and was like, you should come to Matthon.

I didn't know a single soul right, and I like walked around alone for the whole Cotil hour and then left because I was just too intimidated. But then the second time I went with Cynthia Rivo and I was a little more unbeliefe And it was was that the camp one that no, I didn't get to go because I was on tour for the camp one. That one was like the maybe the Christianity thing, Oh yeah, that was I like that. So I just were a suit case. I was like, I'm very Jewish and I'm not going crosses.

But anywhere she there's pictures like a gorgeous white thing. She had like a head dress moment and jewels, and she's she always she never disappoints. What I need to see, Harriet. I haven't seen it yet. I know I can't wait. I hear she's amazing. Did you I heard it's really good? Do you see Jojo Rabbit? No? Okay, did you see you have? Grett? I was just saying it's like so good, and I was like afraid because like I was afraid.

It's Nazis is tough, especially when there are Nazis all around. Yeah, but like it just as perfectly he done and little and nothing. There's nothing I love more than a brilliant young kid performance. And he's so unbelievably good. Is like special special talent, Like really is that what like Jacob Tremblay situation, but like a little bit, what's the kid's name, Thomas? Isn't that the girl? That's the girl? Yeah, I forget

his name. I just remember that his dad's like a famous DP I think, and like has been done like a lot of amazing movies, and like he's always been around sets his whole life. We never acted and of course he's like magically, yes, he really want to see marriaged. I keep getting I need Cato icon no a bomback. And also can we say like this moment that is happening with Adam Driver where all of a sudden he

is the superstar literally superstar. But this is the most interesting narrative in Hollywood to me, like where he kind of girl You're you're relating back to girls? Though, yes, because I think about the way he was he was a starring girl. He was a starring girls. Amazing. No one can be the performance. But to be introduced to the mainstream as like the weirdest funck boy in green Point and now for him to be Kylo Wren, I

think that's great anything what do you mean? But like that that that's not like Kyla Wren should be the weirdest. I'm not disputing it. I'm just saying, like, and so should the Monk and whatever weird excent movie he did with Andrew Garfield. Yes, yes, yes, that um, but I'm just saying, like, it's just so fascinating to me how he's made that transition, because he's just like really good act,

so good, he's so good. I feel like, I mean, you know, hopefully, I seem I feel like very encouraged that we're moving towards like individuality, weirdness, uniqueess, like what's making people big and not just like everybody is Matt Damon and Bratt Pitt. Not that we don't love Matt Damon, but yeah, that it's nice that especially in musical theater and theater. Yeah, well that's also why I feel like the reason I always come back to. I mean, I just levet theater because I left theater and all all

of us guys love the theater. But it's also like, at the end of the day, like the skill just has to win out in the theater because like there's just no where to hide, and there's so many places to hide on a set of any kind, like on camera, like and even be a brilliant like while hiding, like in the theater, I feel like it's put upper shot. You're out there. That's that feels very real. Yeah, even if you have like a strange lazy eye or like, yeah, like you still can belt. Yeah, you can still get

it together. Oh yeah, lazy, I won't get in the way of belting. You know, you could have what they call a stage face, a face to be seen from and being truly iconic. You know, wait, I don't know why this person does not have a do you know? I just remembered that I saw this person on Broadway and gagged for a week. I saw Tony Braxton, and wow, is that not iconic I've never seen I never got

to see. It was good, And I remember I cried and felt so emotionally if I did buy Aina and we all left and my dad was like, oh, that was okay, my mom and my mom goes, My mom goes. I was like, I said where I was like, fully twelve. I was like, wasn't Tony Braxton amazing? And she was like, you know what, she could tell that if she told me that, she didn't think so she hurt my feelings. Matthew. I think she has a beautiful voice. I just couldn't really understand what she was saying, but she has a

beautiful voice. Well, Heather is similar. Heather is brilliant, just a little bit of peanut butter on the roof of the manta. So she Have you ever seen the performance of her singing memory, Yes, of course, yes. It's that kind of thing with girls in the mirrors who like aren't great. But she's amazing. She's stunning, and there's a moment when she goes Hollo, she's like kind of just like really her phrasing is like wow. There's also a video of her singing um in the arms of an

Angel with a giant choir. Have you seen this? And at the end she really she goes for it and just really eats it, and it's it's as a singer really wonderful to see someone as amazing as other headly, just go for it and eat it. I want them to go for it every single time and honestly, but but you tell me, like, when you're like doing a show on a Friday night, are you giving it a little bit more than you are on a Sunday. Yeah, it repends. It's so sites it's like very specific to

the actual night. It depends who's who I know is in the audience. It depends like how many shows are left in the because sometimes obviously because it's Friday night it's exciting, it is like easier to give more than on Sunday. But also Sunday you have thirty six hours ahead of you that are free, so like you can kind of abandoned. So it depends. I would say, like a Wednesday Matt is not ideal to come to unless you're like up, yeah, but like you get that little

discount ticket. There's definitely like an ABC version of the show that you have to have, which is like this is what I'm doing if I feel completely healthy and I have all of the faculties and then be as like I'm trying to save a little for something exciting at the end of the week and see is like I can barely be bothered to be yourself. So like when you like very clearly delineated all these scenarios, yeah, I spent a lot of times and that wonderful, that

and that show. So basically wait, wait, hold on, okay, So do you usually know when someone notable is coming? And do you prefer to know? I asked to know so I would receive a like a literally like an itemized list before like a half hour every night of everyone that was there, because at the beginning it was you don't want to go out on stage and then see one million percent, Like I don't want to I

don't want to clock Merril like mid number. And also like in that show in particular, like I spend so much time just like out at the like out at the fourth Wall or whatever, so like I'm gonna see and it's a small house, I'm gonna see whoever it is, and they're always in the same like nice house seats.

So I love to have all That's like a theme in my life in general, is like I'd like to have all the information because anything unknown is far more anxiety provoking to me than just like dealing with what the actual reality is going to be, and whatever I imagine is going to be way worse than like what's actually true. So I love to just see like, okay, so tonight it's like Ben Stiller and like Hooper great.

Basically everyone saw that. Every person. I remember, like, I think I would see you on your Instagram or like maybe it was the Dear of Enhancement Instagram because I remember like following it like at the time, because I was just like, I won't get tickets to the normal way. Maybe I'll catch like some inst story or whatever. That's just like if you like here at this time, a magic elf will give you a ticket, Like I never saw it because I couldn't get tickets. I was poor

at the time too. If only we'd all meant sooner. Oh my god, when when you when you do it again, I have a bootlega Okay, so I maybe there's there may be a scenario where I'm going to do it against We'll have to wait and see. Um. But wait, I I feel as though Beyonce I had to be the number one most intimidating, most intimidating. Yes, yes, with a tie and a totally different arena of life with

Mandy be Tickett. Damn. Of course, of course, because George is my number one dream, yes, like forever, and I would be amazing. I just have to wait a few years till the memory of this jake one phase away and then I can give it. But he was great. But because he was great exactly, yeah, we have to let it have its doum. But that I was really scared because I used to watch that PBS like taping of Sunning the Park all the time. So those two

but yeah, Beyonce, Beyonce, I had a warning. I had like four days warnings, so I like haircut, had an extra voice lesson. I like really was prepared mentally, physically because he met her afterwards. I did meet her afterwards. She came backstage. Was that brief it was it was like four to five minutes, but she had just had the twins like a month ago. She was like glowing and her boobs looked amazing most the most like woman version of mother, like just and she was wonderful and

everybody was like really paralyzed by her. Oh my god, because you just don't know what, like, what do you do? What do you do? She she is the icon, this is this is this is just such a dumb weird share. But when when jay Z hosted or not Jaz when j was musical guest a couple of seasons ago. It was when Solange was musical guests. Yes, um, she came to the after party because because I went to that show and then she and jay Z walked through and

everyone like, the whole room stops. But when she passes you, but you feel something, You feel an energy and energy crazy anyway you want to do? You want to know one celebrity I saw in person one time and I felt an energy. At the time, I was like that person is a superstar and now saying it is fully crazy. I'll touch on Gina later. Um, remember I'm a breast to this drama. But continued Jessica Simpson. Wow, I believe that I went to a concert. I was sixteen years old.

I was straight, straight presenting. I was at an Ashley Simpson concert, was my first of two. And I turned around and there was Jessica Simpson like standing like by the tech booth in this little rope stuff area and she was luminous. Yeah, and I was just like, that's a star. Yeah, and then two years later like then now she like runs her empire. I think it doesn't really do much, but she's like, she's like like a

formidable person. At the time, I was like, that's what it's like to be in the presence of a superstar there looks like And then I got a picture with her dad, who is gay. Now I know I know who was like dating like twink models. Really yes, oh my god, this is like a thing. He was like he was like a pastor or something. And then like later on in year and she was like her thing was like the chastity of it all. And then later on I'm so sorry, I caught Boone on the shirt

behind you just giving me this what. I didn't do anything. He's looking at the stage. Oh, just doing my face, yes, sir, with them on it, and I just noticed. I was just feeling very this is the seakh culture T shirt. And then I want you to know that Boe has designed the shirt. It's gorgeous. Think truly just did. But we should we should get we should let the readers be able to buy this. I know they're limited editions to show exclusive though it exclusive, you can have one.

Speaking of your fashion yes, what was that. That's that's sweater that you've been wearing recently. It's like yellow on the top with the v oh. Oh, yes it's His name is Victor Glamad. It's or to the CFD, a thing where it's like a bunch of like upcoming young designers. And I have a stylist his names Jason Rembert, and I just do what he tells me to do because you working really great, like when you were doing the pressure of the Politician. You've been looking stunting and also

you are coking, rocking highwaysted. Oh yes, it's it's changed my life. I have such a pooch and it's just like I feel so much better. It just it just makes everything feel better. I feel like freer, I can eat what I want. It's great. See I've been like a low rise bitch for for too long and now and now as I approach thirty, I'm getting a pooch. But there's nothing to my whole family. All the men in my family are shaped this way, so like regardless of how so you can see your future. Emay see

that I tried to It's like no, it's just here. Yes, So that was that sweater was to like whear, to like show off this guy who was being who was like being celebrated, so it was his event to celebrate him. Well a bunch of people. You know, uh, you know he just said that, Victor. I'm telling you you, I know I'm listening. I'm just doing I'm connecting different times. I don't know. I know you're listening. I know you're listening.

I'm just saying, like this sweater, and I know that Ben Platt was wearing it, but these are these I feel it was a very mat Roger's sweater. Oh okay, it was a very what mat Rogers. It was something I would wear, and so I might be thank you, I might be sending a text message to Mr Glamas r M. I'm sure he would love to dress you

sweater your friend event one day when I pop off. Yes, it's been very fun to where things that actually make me feel excited and happy and not just have to be like I'm in a suit because I'm trying to convince everyone that I'm a leading man. No, but you it's a it's a fashion it's been a fashion event. It's fun and speaking of fashion event, just like the way like the politician like looks. The fashion, it's that's got to be so funmu and costuming has to feel

like a dream, particularly the costumes. The Claire Parkinson, who's the costume desentner, is the only kind of major crew member that we're bringing over to season two because it's all New York people this time, because we're shooting in New York. Yes, obviously everyone in the agreement that we could not veer from the clothing because it was so well great. But it's great. I mean, she's she gives

us such like particular like human beings to be. Like, I feel like a lot of us didn't really fully understand who we were until we like went in and started putting on all these clothes. And she's very everybody gets a very particular flavor, and everybody gets to be like somewhat aspirational, even if it's like a really bizarre way. Sure, but I love it. I get to wear nice suits all the time and glasses, and I always have wished that I needed glasses, but I don't. Thank you so much,

very good. And all of my siblings use glasses or contacts and the only one doesn't, So I think I feel like a weird complex about it, even though even though it's a good is actually a crutch back. It's keeping abound. I'm just trying to raise awareness. Yeah, no, Bowen is the king of glasses, but the cop But truly, Like the more the more I like see how departments work around around stuff like this, the more I'm like costumes and wardrobe are like huge, but they have to you.

It's this, it's the first thing people see. It has to communicate so much. And also like the way things look on camera is so different than the way they look in real life. Like we just we just did game show for Quimby, and like we had eight different books and I didn't realize what the word more raying is. Like they came over to me and he's like, they're like, he's more raying. I was like, do I have to like go back to make up and it's like the

two small pattern things. Yeah, it's like something when it's like it's it's vibrating on screen. Yeah, yeah, it just creates like a like a weird static. But the club but like literally when I said you could take a bite out of the show, I mean like the show looks like delicious yeah, it'll be more of that. We love that, like a more of an East Coast de fall kind of at this time, but but a lot of the same and plus Judith in that. Yeah, not for nothing. I saw I saw your I saw your

tweet or is the instagram about just working with Judith? Yes, yes, it was the best. I was having like a iffy week and then we had to finally got our first day together and like it was just it solved all of my problems and made all of my worries go away. And Bet is just brilliant and Bet is there too. Bet is there too, let me tell you. And Bet and I just saying together with Beanie at this like

Halloween Haulloueen and your Halloween thank you. Oh my god. Yeah, she's I mean, that's like every thing you hope, like like constantly in the middle of a vodvillact like at all times, you know what I mean, just like a Pratt fall could happen at any time, just exactly, and just like calling herself a home and just like it's she's the best on the Twitter, Twitter, on her people to people Twitter. But y'all need to get on board

between we have more Gwanathan season two. Yes, everybody is back except Jessica was a one season situation, right, uh, and we've added obviously to that, but everyone else is back. Great. Was that your first time working with Ryan? Yes, it was great. It was I mean I loved Glee the way everybody else loved. I went to see the tour at two different stops. Wow, naturally and also Spring Awakening was like my shame music. That was like my rent whatever.

Evan Hans so Leah, I was big on Leah. I'll never forget the first time I saw Lea Michelle when the Worse performance, when you're saying, Mama, who bore me? In the beginning, I was like, I was like, we're going to be seeing a lot of her. She just something happened on camera, like that's there's something very interesting going on. And then a few years later to bravely sort of parade throughout Radio city singing during my parade, so many people are present, like that deserves commendation, AC

and also a scary thing to do, and that sound great. Yeah, I mean she's I think she's she's stunning. Jonathan Groff is my celebrity question mine too? Oh, I've tried, and

I've tried, We've all tried. Yeah, we're gonna fin Actually we met him, we interviewed him at Vulture Festival, and we had we were doing like a bit with every guest because we're dumb, we're not actual journalists, were very stupid ask people questions like we were like nobody any of those things actually wants to answer any questions, just want to play again. And so everyone usually liked us.

But John John Jonathan was there ter Um. They were there um doing press for mind Hunter, and so it kind of wasn't really the vibe like anatur was there and like you know, the other cast members, I'm not sure their name is like serious acious actors. Yeah, And in my notes was like I was going to ask him, um, what would you do if you found out someone had a crush? And then he like asked you what he said and then be like and then he's like, what

if someone had a crush? I knew that was like right here, right now, and I was gonna be like I was gonna shoot my shot into a cute bit with it and then maybe like thanks for doing that anyway. My name is Matt and damn me, why did you do it because he was he I will say, the other guy hijacked the conversation totally. And then but I

will I will remember. I will say that Jonathan was very just like so just like easy going and was just like, oh, just like very like huh like just just was just like getting picking up on our body that we were not like typical journalists, and he was just kind of like adjusting to that, and he might have been a little out. It was it was just

like a little bit of an awkward view. He nothing he did, but I remember he did have a really good handshake and contact during the handshake, and I was like, you know, exactly how hot you are. He's frustrating he does. And also he's he's a lovely person and also very inspiring in the sense that like he did this like

incredibly specifically gay kind of graphic amazing show. Oh yeah, that was like a straight up straight leading man on like a David Fincher beautiful drama and just it's amazing, and it's it's encouraging to see that, Yeah, he's done so much ship because he's like he's done. He's definitely publicly been you know, out and proud gay like did gay Roles, but also you're right, Mine Hunter Minor has its fans. Also Frozen will pay for whatever you want

the rest of his life. And I just saw him do Seymour and he was great, a little bit more like hotter than most like still hilarious and sounded like a dream. And I just saw I just saw Little Shop in Pasadena. How was it? It was good. It was really cute and um MJ was great and our friend Matt Wilkes was amazing. He was the dentist and he also did like a bunch of littler parts and it was really sort of like a showcase for his skills, Like he's really funny comedic actor. And that was the

first time I had seen him on stage. I didn't really know he was. I didn't know he came from he was He's a real sweet and his stuff online is so funny. I love the man dan Um. But it was I had never seen Little Shop on stage, and I didn't know how it ended. It is. We won't spoil for anyone that doesn't know how it ends, but let's just say it's actually out of control, insane. What happens. They're making a film now a little shop. Yes, really, who's in? I don't know? Do you not know? I

don't know. I'll say this, I sadly wish that I did know, but I sadly and decidedly do not know. You decidedly do not decidedly? Well, that is foolish of them to not well that they would. What can you do? That feels like such a stupid thing? Oh wait, really quickly? Okay, what's because you guys shot some of Merrily already? Right, we did shoot some of Mary too much. No, it's okay. It was so wonderful. I mean, it's like crazy. It's also like a lot of people don't really know what

merely rolls. Actually it's a pretty so you know it's on time? Yeah, And it's about it's it's about these three friends in the fifties who meet and they're in college and like two of them are writers, one of them is a composer, and they become like best best friends.

It's two guys, one girl, and they over time like the composing duo, the two guys that become really successful and like the woman sort of uh like deals with like alcoholism and like they become like really jaded and they girl apart and like all this ship over the course of eighteen years, and it's the show happens backwards, so like it starts and you meet them when they're like in their forties and they hate each other and like two of them don't even speak, and then like

every sequence there's nine sequences moved backwards a few years, and then by the end they're like these naive, idealistic best friends will love each other. So it's like really upsetting and heartbreaking but very beautiful. But the issue on stage has always been like either there's people at to begin playing like way too old and you don't really believe them, or there's people at the end playing like young college kids and you're like, no, you're not. So

this is the way. So I really think this is like has the potential to like solve some of the issues. And because the score has always beautiful, there's always been great large Yeah that's the beautiful that's what we did because that's the last first sequence. Um, but it's great. Yeah, And we'll follow the map of the show, like it starts in fifty seven and seventy something, and so like if there's three years between a sequence, then will wait three years or if there's two years, so you are

doing the like period of it all. Yeah, it takes place starting in fifty seven, and then we'll follow because then whatever the world is in twenty whatever it comes out, it's still the periods will have remained. This very smart um God, and that's that's that's perfect for link Later. It's perfect for you guys. And it's the fact that it's being A and I together is also just like truly bananas that just gives us an excuse every few

years to hang out. Not that we don't hang out every day, but it's like how fortunate that is is that? But like God, link Later, Like I, what are my favorite directors? I think School of Rock is when movies Absolutely We just talked about School of Rock with at length with Heidie Gardner. It's like, I listened, we love that movie. Before we go any further, I just have to shout out the person that turned me onto this podcast way too late. Her name is Francesca Carpannini. She's

a very brilliant actress. She was just in All my Son's on Broadway with a net bending Oh my god. That and she is a big lover of both the show. Later, Oh my god, I said, who's who are you coming to the show? Noah? Oh my god, oh my god, thank god, we know who's in the audience for our show. So wait, I didn't get to meet Noah after the show that I saw him in because that was the

night that that engine backfired in times. So Jared and I were going backstage just say hey to Noah because and he was so it was the thing where people started banging on the door of the theater and stuff. Yeah, so basically like this engine backfire. My sister was there and I really waitress, Oh my god, Well that was a great performance. And also, by the way, sidebar, but you know who I really want to see do it? Who's in it right now? Jordan's Of course I did.

I thought it's one of the better renditions. Okay, we love Jordan's. You know who does I think my favorite rendition of it? Yeah, like Sarah. I feel so insane for saying this, Jeremy Jordan's. Oh, Jeremy Jordan does such as been fun. I'm gonna have um no, But I mean Sarah is Sarah? So do you love his It's all coming back to me now then also, I actually I do love It's off back to me. Now, I

like that, and I like this. I don't usually stand Jeremy Jordan's, but I have these two performances that I saw. I like, I'm absolutely obsessed with because I usually just love my lady is singing and you, of course, um, but you're one of my ladies though good. But miss Gendering Ben It's okay. Controversy um no, but um Jordan's

like rips it apart, right. Yeah. I was going to go backstage to say hey to Noah, who I haven't met, and then that thing backfired in Jared and I had to run to tenth Avenue and getting a taxicab because we were positives that something was going down. And that's the fucking world is. Like we saw people running from Times Square and we were just like, yep, cool, we gotta go. We know what everyone was just like keyed in the world we live in. That is the current world.

Every time I go see a movie, I like check where the exits are and try to sit near them. And horrible last night for our show at we did game show last night at the Grammarcity Theater at midnight and we were getting like in order to get in, we got like fully wanted and everything. And I was like, yeah, I mean, I guess I'm happy this is happening, like because you just never know. Oh my god, not to

turn it in this direction. Wait, I was just gonna say before Sunrise, Sunset and I and before Midnight that that trilogy link later, Yeah, girl before Sunrise, before Sunset, before midnight for midnight. Um like perfect, beautiful, lean concise films like and boy, I fucking was obsessed with boys beautiful, took it, took it to took it. Took my parents to see it, and they, like are two very culturally averse people in general, and they just like, my dad

hates movies, except he loves share. He loves he loves share. He just doesn't like like films or places like why are people doing that? Like whatever. I can't explain it to him, but boyhood, he was just like, So I think like with like Merrily, it's like that's that thing again where it's like you the passage of time it's happening. It's so powerful, it really is, especially if there's the right reason to do it. But it is the right reason.

It's not a gimmick, it's not. That's what's nice about this particular one is that, like I really think it actually is like asking to be this kind of thing, and he just seems like a really easy going guy, the loveliest, like sweetest, not stoner stoner, you know what I mean, Like all the energy of one without actually being One's amazing. The thing about Stoner's, because I can say, because I'm one of them, is we are not low key people. No, we're not. We smoke And because are

you a stoner? Now? Okay? Can I ask you a questions? Do you find singing? Unfortunately I can't. I mean while I'm working in general, it's too hard because like unless it's for writing music and which it's very helpful, but like doing any kind of show or shooting or anything like that, it's just I get to like hypochondriacle about my voice and stuff, especially for pronouncing that I've had to learn. He literally he actually read through the dictionary

before coming. Thank you for doing that. Um. But then but then like like now, like this is like a

lull where you get to smoke more. Yeah, like on days when I'm not shooting or like when I'm working with co writers and stuff, and I feel like being in Los Angeles, like it's so dry there that like I feel completely insane, And so for those shows that I'm doing in this but I'm like already worried about it because it's like water water water, water, water water, water, like throw drives you the funk out, and none of that water water water, and there's no replacement for water.

I even tried doing coconut water instead of water for a while and that was not the move. What about the whole honey and tea of it all in a very particular situation, it's nice, it's I find it's more for just like my own sensation, like you know what I mean, like for me to feel like everything's going well. It doesn't actually make everything go well, you know what

I mean. Like if I'm hydrated and I'm warmed up, then like regardless of whether I drank the tea or not, I'm gonna sound the same, but I'll maybe feel nicer when you drink the cheese. So by all means, actually, Manuka honey is really good honey. That's like actually medically like good good for like staying well and like fancy nutrition.

It's a flower New Zealand. A lot of it is okayphy and the flowers grown in New Zealand, but most of it's important from New Zealand and um the beast plant, and there's all these like crazy crazy crazy anybodies and all these good things. You. Yeah, hoplefits with high content.

I honestly think a lot of his mind over matter for me, where it's just like if I'm fixating and like worried about the way that my throat feels, it's like I'll be insane and then all you have to do is drink water and like because sometimes I'll like, remember when I was in college and I was like, whenever I was doing a show, I would always like drink a lot of vanilla chi because I like the way it made my throat feeling. I'm like, well, now my voice is healthy because I've had my chie It's

like milk. Dary is detrimental and darius detrimental. Do you write a culture number seventy is detrimental? Do you find yourself like when when you're singing, are you also dieting? Yes? Well, I yes, I mean I think there's two different times at which I'm dieting. One is like for for like, what's going to help me saying like no dairy, you know, like acidic stuff like for like cook and ship in

my throat. But then there's also just like the we live in a world of Lucas Hedges and Timmy Challa may dieting where it's like I have to be a small wave where it's like I don't like that part. But I mean, is Lucas Hudges really really slender? I

mean not unhealthily neither of them are? They both are you know, beautiful, and how like it's just like you know what I mean, It's like there's no like it's hard for them to be a space between like a built man and like like a little bit yeah, And I'm like I live very much in between, so I'm always feeling like I need to be leaning into one. And I'm also always playing a eighteen year old so as soon as that's done, I feel like that will change.

With probably season two of Yes Politician. I'm now twenty three, so it's like whatever, like I can have stubble, this is great and how old you actually? Um? And then I think I'm done except for one possible thing, going to high school forever. I think. I wonder what that got. I wonder where that could be bit okay, title of that, I what that could be? Beat? I wonder what dot dot bitch. I wasn't gonna ask. I was gonna ask something. Oh, I don't know. I was not gonna I was just

gonna volunteer this. Um, And you guys don't have to reactually at all. UM, I can't fucking smoke anymore. I smoked for the first time in months last night, and like it just and drank and truly was never more nauseous on the combo is it? It can go either way, You guys just gotta take it. I got crost fated. But then it was also like, yeah, hand smoked weed in months, and then it was just that mixed with like, does it generally like fan the flames of your anxiety?

Do you find make you more? Because it can go both ways. Both ways. For me, it's either like this was a bad idea and I have to abort, like as soon as possible, it's like this was everything I wanted. Well, sometimes it's like I remember back in my days when I was like single, I found like it could really kind of like use you into situations and then others. Then I was like in a more bad place than that didn't work, and I was like, you have to leave,

you have to leave my apartment and I'm sorry. And then so then I was like, okay, so this doesn't do just one thing for me. It's fully matt and fully just as like what mind space you're in, and also not for nothing. But the indica versus the Tiva of it all is huge. We can't pretend that it's not a huge differ. It's a different experience. It's a completely different thing. And like I just can't take anyone

to weed anymore. Now now I'm like the kind of like medical stone er, like Apple store medman of it. I'll be like, and what strain is this? And where did we get it? And where is it? Excuse me? And generally I feel like I feel like I need to be either I enjoy doing it alone, but also like if I'm going to be with people's people that I actually have to know no, yes, because I can't

be any kind of filtered human being. No, Like like drinking is fine with people like that I find is very like you can ease, it loosens you up, but weed is like we we does any different. It's like it makes you like it, it puts you up. That is pointing from like a little bit around the arch of his eyebrows and putting down Yeah, that's what I'm doing.

I wish you could see it misplaced contour like about yeah on contour, but like, um, I am now, I mean, I'm now dating the biggest sowner I've ever met life. You're always so emphatic about that's all you do. Smoke every day, and I like have been around some legendary like people that just like our functional functionally addicted to weed.

Jared he smokes all the time, and he's so productively and so yeah, I can only be productive if it's like a situation where I'm not being pressured to be productive. So if it's like I have a day where I'm with like a friend of mine who I write songs with, and I know that, like we could write a song today if we want. Then we smoke, and like that's great, and it sometimes leads to and it's something amazing. Words sometimes lead just like a completely bizarre song about like

my grandfather. But if it's like if I'm smoke and going into like you have this many hours to accomplish something that it's gonna be. Sometimes I think, I don't know why I think this, but sometimes I think that smoking will help me learn lines. Like Okay, I can reveal that because I did not get the part, but I just um the ANNADELVI Shonda Rhymes show, Yeah, Netflix, and like it was truly it was fun to do

because it was like Shonda Dialogue. It was like five or six pages of like, was there a lot of excellent gratuitous case X in it? There was not. I didn't I'd have to put myself on tape doing that. Um. But like basically it was just like a lot of crazy, like exactly what you think her scripts are gonna be. Yeah, but I was like I run it a bunch, and then I was like maybe if I smoke, and it's like and then it's such a stoner mentality, which like, well maybe if I smoke, it's just like, no, you

just wanted to smoke to baill. I think in the context of like if you already have learned it, like in a normal mind and like worked on it, and then sometimes like if I like learn lines for the show, and like I'm like getting ready to do it, Like in a couple of days, I will get high and then like just try and like recording myself doing it high and see, like, out of the nine like hundred

weird bizarre choices I make, maybe one of them is interesting. Yeah, you will find something, but only if I've already actually learned it, because if I only learned it high, then

I'll remember a weird version, right right, it's not. Maybe it's like psychedelics where you have to send an intention where it's like you you set the parameters down, You're like, okay, I'll just record myself saying this, and maybe something cool comes out of it instead of just being like okay, um, I need to learn lines, so that's the express purpose

and then you just don't. It's also just so funny, what like I learned all the lines that I was doing this with Gerald, like he was reading with me, and I had I had this whole choice I was doing like I like had beats planned out and everything, and then I smoked and then I read the lines and I was kind of like dropped in like all of a sudden doing it like this, and he's like, okay, whatever this is is like not so if you're going to now change into like this high serpent to your

becoming with like bedroom minds, that's not what you should do. And I was like, okay, wow, or maybe that's the choice that would have gone either room. And honestly, I should have done it more like that. I should have done it more like a gay snake, which is a type. Oh for sure, the whole tribe on grind it's close to a gas Lytheran, but not quite. Yes, gays Lytherans they're out there, not necessarily raven claw. That's fantasis. That

totally trapped. Say what you are hufflepuffin proud? I'm a hufflebuff. Two, that's what I That's what I got. Yeah, I'm a hufflebuff. But can I say you my trajectory? Of course? Sure? I was born a griffin door. Oh wow, what does that mean? Born a griffin? I was born a griffin door and I was at birth. I was like, I was gonna say, they put a tiny one. You know, No, I was born in you can imagine I was, you are well, I was born in I think it was. I wasn't on the Long Island. Okay, yeah, so local

not sign what is your birthday? What's your scorpio sign sign? My scorpio sign is Libra. Okay, very scale September. I'm on the cost I'm lib You're a libricosum Okay, I'm not Pisces. So basically I was born a griffin door. In my early twenties, I was a slytherind and now I'm a hufflepuff. But I will die at raven Cloth. All right, So you're sort of cheating, yeah, because you just wanted like a bit of everything. I think that in my heart, I've always been the hufflepuff, and I

am a hufflepuff. You are, yeah, but I have a griffin properties. I'm not sorry about saying. Let me so do I but I'm not nearly courageous enough in general to be a griffin. I guess that doesn't make your griffin door. Then the whole point of these alignments is that it's it's too It's just it's for you and me to say that we are not multituded as people, that we are one thing, and for you to just jump around and think that you can like it's it's

cheating the system. Fine, I would say that I am a hufflepuff, thank you Okay, there you go good to centric degrees. Wow, well that's huge. That is huge. Isn't that sad that that's the only Hufflepuff character you can really say? I will say like, I think it was really cool of J. K Rowling to like throw ful puff of bone. Yeah. I'm like, well, you guys have and he's amazing, and he's like everyone wants to do him, and Cho chengg is like wants him and not Harry

who's a griffin door. I have a question when you did you do you read the books of absolutely when you think to the books or if you've ever for some reason read a part of the books or the books. Since the movies have existed, do you see the people from the movies in your mind or do you see

your own versions of the character. That is so interesting, very interesting now I see them, But I remember when the movies were like introduced to me, I was like a little angry because I had such a specific vision in my mind of what it was and there were like real people in my mind. I don't know where they came from, but I very clearly saw it. And this is also very weird, But I remember at the

time of reading the Harry Potter books. The song That's the Way It Is by Celine Dion was like huge, So I would always listen to that song and there'll be like a music video in my head of like Hermiami, like hitting around with a pillow and like I'm having times very three company. I don't know, it's a very psychotic thing in my brain, but like I associate that's the way it is with the Harry Potter books. That's interesting.

But you know what, I'm realizing we didn't do what I didn't spend the question we can have, we can ask the questions, but we're having We're having such a grand time, and I think this actually might be the answer. What what was the culture that made you? Said culture was for you? Whoa? Because they know you're a Harry Whoa. Okay, you forgot. This feels surreal to me in this moment, and I'm not and I'm now also remembering that there's going to be something later that I don't know what

I'm gonna do. I prepared, I prepared today. I have a couple of things that I'm thinking about, so absolutely so okay, So culture wise, I think the obvious thing I need to say, is like Sudden Foster singing show off like Chap. I saw it at the Ammondson before it moved to Oh Mark, I saw that out of time Tryout. So she's someone else. We interviewed at Vulture Festival, and our whole interview with the younger cast was do you understand who she is? People don't, like a lot

of people don't understand like that she's in. She's in like the Bet Bernardine. She's in the top Tattie like world top ten's in that pantheon. So like yeah, that like you know the Funny Girl soundtrack and like on my boom Box, like you know Gypsy, the Bette Miller

TV movie, um, that world of culture. And then also in a very separate way, Harry Potter was like the thing that was like that was the only thing where like everybody was also in on that so that I could bond with like also like my male friends and like my cousins and stuff over it and not just like the four gay people slash women that wanted to talk about. And everyone loved Harry Potter largely unless you like, we're in a reader as a kid, But did I

talk about my talk about my calling the cops. Have I told you about the cops? Please? Gobblet of Fire was coming out. This is a huge era, a huge era. Yang, my older sister was begging my parents to go by it. And I had just learned what Harry Potter was like two days. I know this and had not read any of the prior three books, but was just high off of like the idea of it, yes, and just the peripheral buzz from my sister. She was the cultural phenomenon

had got you have internalized. We went to Walmart one day and we saw like a big sign with the cover and it looked like the most amazing thing. That's the best cover, because that's the best absolute filmic it's it's amazing favorite book. Yes, and the sort of subdued Phoenix. But we can continue. Oh yes, I mean, of course that's like monotone and I like Halt Present and deathitely holl is amazing amazing. Anyway, Um, I see this sign for for Goblet of Fire and then Yang's like, please, Mom,

can we please go at midnight to buy this? My mom was like, no, your mom didn't understand that it was like a thing. She just thought she was just like it's it's just a book, will buy it. We'll buy it on Saturday or whatever. She didn't get it. It's fine. We just moved to the u S. It was just like, there's a lot, There's a lot going on.

It was a crazy time for for our family. But I remember Yang so so emphatically excited about this, and I was, and I was feeding off of this too, even though I hadn't read the books post I'm gonna start with this one. It makes sense. I'm gonna start with this one. I'm gonna start with book four. Um my parents, because I was immediate and then my parents were like, we're not going, like end of discussion, We're not going. And then it got super heated, so heated,

and I thought, how old are you really quick? I was nine? Two thousand? Yeah, I was nine. And then and then I go, I got so heated. And then and then Yang was just being histrionic and dramatic, and it was like, I'll call the I'll call the police. If you don't let us come, I'll call and tell them your abuse, that there's child abuse at this house. And then and then I was truly like in Yang's corner and I was like, yeah, I'll do it. I was like, it was like, I'll do it. And then

you called the police. And then I picked up the phone and dialed nine one one. I hadn't ever done it before. Dispatrick answer is nine one what's your emergency? I get too spooch and I hang up and then they of course called back. They're like, hig is everything okay? And my parents had to explain in broken English to this dispatchao, um, there's our our children or said that they can't buy this book that's coming out. It was like watch when that person was a huge like you're

abusing them, sending people now the children terrible terrible turn. Okay, wait that was I just had a show that what was your favorite? Well, I have to tell you have a very similar story. I'm telling my concert that is the like kind of rapid need for the books when they come out. A lot of them come out the summer.

And I went to jew a summer camp every summer, and I was there when the I think it was the sixth one came out and mine was not coming in the mail and time and like all of my friends were getting it and reading it and finding things out and I was getting really upset with my parents.

And there was another kid in my bunk whose name was also Been and so, and like literally in the dead of night, I got up and stole his copy from his bed the side of his bunk and wrote plat and and kept it and fully got away with it. Just was a great actor, slash liar and like was I had never done literally any like I would never get in trouble like I was not. I was very good too, like at school end camp. So no, everyone believed me and I have not never searched, like suffered

any consequences. And I got that, I mean time you should be thrown in prison. That other best in a way like my mental prison of anxiety gives me serving time for that. There you go. Um. But yeah, and but then what actually no, I had there was current retribution because then like two days later, the big like prank that the oldest age group pulls, they always pulled like a big prank towards the end of the session was to write the ending of the book all over camp.

So we woke up one morning and in chalk all over the roads and the backup no it said it said snaps the half flood friends and Snape kills Dumbledore like literally everywhere and people. It was like literally the morning after like a like an attack of some kind, like literally it was like everybody showed up for breakfast, like really, like I will never forget see. I think like for some reason, like when Snap killed Dumbledore, I was kind of like numb to it because I never

really could get with Dumbledore. But when Cedric died at the end of the fourth book, a part of me died too because it was a hot person. Because no, can I just say you want a hot person? I just saw a lighthouse and it's also amazing, really really okay. But I remember when Cedric died, I was just like, oh, kids can die. And I remember I put the book down and I walked around my pool and it was just like, kid's gonna die outside of the pool, or

you were in the pool walking around. No. I actually filled my poppets with rocks and walked into the Virginia w Virginia Wolf, Nicole Kid in the hours. Anyone, Oh, I wish I had a hiver. You know what's gross? I have a sony not gross. Everything's nice, everybody's beautiful, thank you. That's very kind but young. A lot of young people who watched the show have either tweeted or said to me like, amazing song. It's like this is painful and I feel like I'm not doing Joni any favors,

but well, look it up the children. I want to say one thing. The guy who plays whatever on The Politician absolutely the hottest person I've ever seen in my entire life. And it's actually sick and ready for me to break your heart. He's also the best kindest person in the whole entire world, like literally a hero in every way UH and straightest can be. Um no, but he he was. I I'm an EP so I got to watch all of the tapes and stuff, and he was going in for Ricardo the whole time, which is

the weird boyfriend of UH. And the whole time I kept writing it all emails like why is this guy in here? Like he's literally like the dreamy person that you keep talking about for this like river Phoenix role, Like that's what Ryan would call it, like the river Phoenix. They saw River Phoenix type. They didn't see him Superman type. He was like, We're gonna get to me. I was like, no, you're not gonna get to me and then eventually, eventually, like a month, like we had to start making decisions.

He was like, actually, we've decided that, like we're gonna have David come in and read Forever. And I was like, oh, great idea. And then of course he came in and booked it. And now he's already the lead in Ryan's Other showed he is, well, he's very much a Ryan Murphy type. That's that's first, and we celebrate. That's okay. So before we move on to um other other um pursuits of the pod, I do want to ask about

Miss Lang. Okay, this is an icon for all time, and what is it like to be in the presence of him? Miss Lang. It's scary at first because she's just a very intimidating persons, has to be overbearing, but she's like so funny, like so like Zoe Dorge put to the best because we worked with for the most it's like it's hard to feel like scared or intimidated when you're laughing, Like it just kind of creates like

a very comfortable space. And she just as soon as she sees that, like you can come to the table too, and like show up. Then she's like the absolute warmst, most wonderful person and she's a she's just brilliant and she's son and like doesn't consider herself funny or or a comedian by any means. And she's just like, I'm just playing it real, and it's like that's the truth. Really,

she's just playing. But she's playing it so really remember like that in her first or second scene, there's a scene where she says something and the other character is talking and just in the middle of their sentence, she goes m And I was just like, WHOA, she's really there because to miss Lank she's probably thinking how funny as in broad which I mean she but she's not playing it broad. No, she's just playing it perfect. I mean, she's just like being true to the insane character that

she's given and then it's perfect. Um. But she's amazing and she she made everybody laugh and I ruined a lot of like she like did a lot of improv that like Brad encouraged her to do and and like a lot of it didn't make it A because the show just like it is a really particular clip, but B because I truly like there wasn't any that I

didn't ruin. There was just a lot of the like she serves us Blogney cups in one of the scenes, and she did this a long bit about how like her recipe is all about the fact that it's Velvita and Blogney, like it would have been really wonderful in the show every Sorry everyone, Wait, so you mentioned that you deal with a little anxiety, Like so when someone is that in regards to like just like like is that like social anxiety like performance? Like what is It's

kind of the opposite. I feel like when it's the most like completely out of sight, out of mind, is when I'm like working or focusing on something or shooting or performing or like that's that's the great like easy area. So when someone like like someone like Gwyneth Paltrow being there, that doesn't give you exacting, No, No, that's just like exciting and like the good kind of like stomach flip

like cool. I think for me anxieties more or either like really site specific like I'm a terrible flyer, like horrible on planes, or hypochondriacal situation where like every time there's even like a little something wrong with him, like I'm I'm fully going to die tomorrow. It's it's about about mortality exactly. I woke up with like a big bump on the back going neck one morning and I like had a full break down a client mom and

like just go to doctor, see what it is. And so I like made an emergency appointment, went to the doctor and he looked me for like us and I was like that's a pimple and then sent me home and that was it. But it felt like really rough. Yeah, No, I get like all of that. And then sometimes we'd either like helps that a lot or like exacerbates that. Um, but it's I haven't under control most No, I think that has it has we'd helped you overall. Did you

get into it because of that? No? I got into because I was just in high school in l A. And like that's you did. And like the into the Woods cast party, someone was like, do you want some weed? And it's like, of course I do. I was the baker. The culture can get this bread aft up. Um. But the culture in l A really does like give people this comfort with weed. Like I remember like on Long Island everyone was just like fully an alcoholic. In high school.

It was just like very like the alcohol consumption was so overwhelming, and I had no language for marijuana until I went to n y U. And then there because there was a lot of California people, most of the people I know went did think. You know Serena, Yes, she was the witch in that same production. She played the witch in Into the Woods. She was a little she's a little bit of dat. She's so funny, she was. We love Serena. We did comedy with sa. Serina was

also like an excellent improviser. We were both in Sea Monkeys, the improv group group. Of course I was. I was like one of the only two tenth graders that was admitted. Honey, oh yes, and that's a very hairy Potter narrative like quich As the first year. Yeah, he was grabbing the little bool. Um wait but okay, so your short form. Yeah, and Beanie was in it too, and I love that. Yeah.

It was like you know, like inner song blogue or like where you're like stopping thing where you're thinking, or like you know, like vignette was this thing where you like the lights come up and you're allowed to say like three things and the lights come back down, like kind of like the end of oh hello, the thing they do or like you know, like the arms thinging, or like you know, to be quite fucking honest, I miss short forms. What do you want to do some

short form? Why is it? Is it nowhere to be found? No one does? It hasn't that it has like a sort of rap of like short form amongst people who were like long form elitists were from UCB. So it's like were just never done. And Bellin was an improviser in college in Danger Box, but high school. But high school we did short form and it was Yes, it's really fun when it's done well, it's great. It's it's it's not sustainable, like you can only watch it for minutes,

but like still that's great. Can I say one more thing about Serenament amazing amazing, amazing, amazing, amazing, amazing, amazing, amazing, amazing, and would be a greater mine would be Okay, So what I'm about to say is Sudie Green and I went Sudie was in the same improv group Captain Silder as Serena, and we went to uh Serena wasn't capped twenty one, and so we went to go see they did um like a night where they were all going to sing song time songs and Serena Dream did a

performance of with so Little to be sure of. Wow, that was so good that afterwards, after I looked over to studio and we were both crying, Oh my god, I feel like a two minute version of the song because there was like fourteen kids in the class and had to be an hour. But it was like a showcase moment or like us some something like that. And I remember like I turned to her and we were

both trying. And afterwards I went back and was looking for the song, like specifically trying to find like an arrangement of a song like that, and lo and behold, I found Bernardette doing it and I preferred Serenas. I was like, this isn't the same thing, okay, but I do think I I think I've even told her that I haven't seen Serena, but I always told her. I was like, you give me Brandonette energy, Well you should

see some. There's no like I've spent my life searching for bootlegs of this into the woods because it was like Beanie has little ed riding hood Maker. My best friend Nick was Jack my best friend Natalie was Jack's mother. Like it was like a very special and the last nobody took any video because of m T I M Musical Theater International. That's like where you licensed the shows from when you But then by senior year we were like, funk that and my Pippin is fully recorded. Well, my

Pippin is recorded to Pippin. No, I'm just I was making an innuendo. I got excited. No, I didn't be on that one too. She's Bertha. Oh and my friend Katherine Gallagher who's now in Jagged Little Pills. Katherine Gallagher, Why do I know that name? She's she's on you. I just heard the arrangement of you learned from Jagged Little Pill. I think that's going to be a good show. I think I'm very excited. Yeah, and there's not a lot of musicals period this year. What's been your favorite

thing you've seen recently in the past several years. Oh my gosh, wow, I don't I would imagine you don't get to see a ton I see everything you do everything. When you were on during that year, I couldn't see much. But since I've been out from late seventeen two now I've tried to see literally everything that I could possibly see. I really loved Haiti's town, but I also saw downtown and in London, so like I sort of was invested

in the journey, right, Um. I really loved that. I really love the Inheritance, which is gonna be about to open here that I saw in London as well, very for it to come here. I really love Mockingbird, particularly Celia Kinda Bulder and Gideon Gideon another Gideon also Arnest, although I have not met Gideon in in person maybe in passing. Once. We used to go out for a

lot of the same like I would see. I thought you were telling me we used to go out, and I was like, but you haven't seen I haven't used to go out. Used to absolutely bang um no, but yeah, let me did you're just bragging that you're the same type and a strange loop? Did you see strange Loop? Yes? I can't believe you didn't see It'll go somewhere somehow,

some absolutely amazing Larry. And I can't believe it's not him, you know what I mean, Like like I couldn't believe that he didn't also write it because it just feels like like con of the whole thing. It was really it was really something else. Have you seen slave play? I have seen slave play? Yeah, I really it's hard to say that you like slave play because it's like

more than that. I certainly thought it was fascinating the whole time and like really worth seeing in every way, but it more so just made me want to like talk about things and think about Yeah, I wasn't like I don't know, like it's more than like a narrative. That's just like something to be involved in emotionally in like a normal way. It's provocative and everyone it's very literally provokes you, but the writing like backs up how provocative,

you know what I mean. Sometimes things are just sort of like this is crazy, deal with it. But it's so fully explored, fully thought out, agreed, it's great. I have to see it still, But what even else besides that Little Pill and Muang are the musical and you know honestly that that's a good question. And that's why

I mean Mulan Rouge too. It's like when I heard about I did not go just because actually when Jared and I were going to go see a show, we ended up really wanted to go see Waitress because we wanted to see No but we it was either that or Mulan Ruge and it was going to be opening night and it was like we we for some reason we're able to get tickets, um, but we did not,

and I just thought it's definitely worth going to. Okay, I want to go on a normal time because I've heard the soundtrack and I'm kind of I'm kind of a gag like by what they included in the know. It's like it's like also the thing that Karen Leave always doing, She's kind of giving you like this oddest sort of like I I found a reference for it when I was first It's like theater doing pop. It's like it's like that's like making firework into a three

beat like narrative song. Yeah, you know what I mean, but but it's really fun. It's I mean, you go, you have to go like ready to get on board with like shut up and dance with me being part of your evening. And I love that, like you know what I mean. But if you're on that level and like then it's like gorgeous looking and I love Mr Beautiful and he sounds like career good, like the best he's ever seen. He's such an incredible singer and so handsome. Yeah, I mean yes, oh Mr, Mr, Mr Mr it's it's

Mr Tivate Tate sid dumb. I was one time leaving a show, like some random place that I was seeing. An old woman came up to me afterwards. She goes debate, not almost like maybe you're one. Um, Okay, listen, I think it might be freaking time for I don't think so, honey, isn't it set well? You can come back when every okay door is fully open. Maybe next time I can come together. Oh my god. Wait, we would absolutely gag, but then I would feel like be So, here's what's

going to happen, Beanie. You come from her own episode? Does Beanie know of the pod? Yes? She does because of Molly and Francesco, because they've really brought it to the crew. Now, okay, so I feel like Beanie being the raven Claw is like, I don't do podcasts. I read books. No, she does. She was. She went on like Ron and Beverly was the old podcast that we

everyone there. She went on Jackson's podcast. She she'll come on Okay, great when I'm not looking her like she like, I don't speak for her, but she does have a pub but um, well have you are you close to Jonah? Yes? Yeah, I mean like our family. And he's a good guy. He's you know, he's really he's really good friends with Greta. I know because because she's best friends with her fiance.

His fiance, Yes, which Greta titlemn? Okay, yes, okay, no we we we love Jona, like casually in passing discussing Gretig Gig, like, are we just going to pretend that you know Greta my girl Greta? Um no, I have not. I have not met and spend time with and lived with in the house of Greta Growig the way I live with credit titleman, that's where I live in the alley beautiful, thank you Okay, so listen. And by the way, that's Greta literally your background. That's how iconic she is.

That's the kind of energy I'm trying to serve every single marry. What's that guy who draws all the gay men in pools? Oh? You know the guy? The artist? The artists know the like beautiful cockney alright, someone knows art someone absolutely those are two things and he just used one of them. The other one is Sunday on the Island of the Grand Job George because of Sunday. Saark Okay, he's flexing for for the producers of Sunday

and that's it. Whose producers? It's there's nothing happening. Well, someone get it together, will be the last George, no bitch, And I have to wait for this amazing Katrina Lank production of company to pass that. Oh my god, yes, but it's amazing. I saw in London. It's Katrina Lank. Bobby. Yes, this is what I wanted to ask you. What you mentioned Funny Girl before we were a Funny Girl house. I actually have never even seen sound of music. To this day, I know they're not stop it for a second.

Everyone to stop yelling. Everyone's throwing darts at me and trying to kill me in this room. Everyone's biting me. Everyone stopped, get your teeth away, stop it alright. So here's what the t music. Yeah, out of music is something I feel that it's exposed to you at a young age. The only movie that my mom would tell me was Funny Girl watching whenever I watched it recently, and I was like, this is if you bite me again. So okay, Funny Girl is the only thing I've ever seen.

Did you see you've not seen West Side Story Cabaret. It's like you've never seen West Side Story. Henry used to kill me whatever, their friend would killed me before whatever this is going to be, this movie comes out, you have to watch through. You have to watch just so you have the context and also because it's one of the best music movies of all time. Can I tell you how I'm shocked they didn't cast in that

movie Maria. And also I'm shocked Camilla. I had heard that Camilla Kabo wanted to do it, and I'm like, I'm shocked I didn't put her in it just because she was that really, yes, I just do that as a joke. No, I know that she was. Who knows, there's a million like studio people who could have been, Like, had some weird reason, Steven Spielberg. Maybe it was like I'd like to cast an unknown and that girl's amaze. It looks like she's amazing. Oh yeah, I'm sure it's

going to be stunning. And Mr Ansel who we've also who we also interviewed from. Yeah, a lot of side story either, I haven't seen it, Okay, so you have to watch Sound of Music and West Side Story and you've seen Cabaret though I've seen Cabra. Okay, yes, I love Cabra. Actually I did go to opening night of

the Michelle Williams and Coming Revival. I thought a lot of thoughts about that particular situation where it was like going to be Emma, but then it was Michelle, and then it was m after and it's like put her in a tough position, and we love Michelle. Michelle is amazing, but Emma was. I didn't get to see Ema, but I heard it was plastic. It was everything I saw there. There was like a bootleg video someone recorded her doing in here. There's a cabaret to you can watch her

do Life's Cabaret. Oh great, not that I could done bootlegs, but I do. But yeah, yeah, I mean that was closed. So, like I said, I've said on this podcast, you can go to Lincoln Center and they have you can. I flew here in eleventh grade because we were doing City of Angels for our school musical. I wanted to know what role to audition for, so I went and watched City of Angels at the library to see, like what's my role? And I found it and it Yeah, you

go pitch on the commitment this. Let me finish this fucking sentence. Okay, Well, funny Girl is not does not exclude a preclude you from watching Sound of Music. Just saying there's a crazy narrative that's Barbara versus Barbara versus Julia. I'm not saying. I'm not putting women against each other and apples and Judaism. Yeah, well apples and Judaism, m HP. I'm sorry that's your name. Um. Okay, Wait, what I'm saying is there's like a space that your parents show you.

There's a movie musical that the imprints on you. I understand, and for me that one was Funny Girl, and I just haven't seen it since. So what I'm asking you is, did you see the production in London? Yes? I did? Um, I don't really know what to say about it. Way, I loved it. Really a funny Girl is Sound of Music? Funny Girl. Here's the thing. The production was great and I love seeing that show in any respect. For me, I only want to hear Fanny or not even just Barbara.

I want to hear somebody scream the song it's like eight huge numbers. It's not even it's not like it's not like a Harold Hill situation where you can talk through most of it, right, It's like huge, big, big torch songs. And she was super funny. And I've seen other things and Sheridan's yeah, I saw the understudy. So basically never all that drama where Sheridan was like in and out of it because of whatever was going on.

So there was like some drama because Sheridan Sheridan Smith, who's like this like star in England I had never heard of. She's sort of like a tabloid figure too. I think she's had some demons. Everyone's like a tabloid figure in the UK. Well, the UK is like their taboloids are like verrazy, and that's why I think I hadn't really understood what Megan Marco was going through until I really understood like the tabloid sister, like how vicious it is. But it's very dark. But um, what's the

crazy one? Is it the sun or um? I think? But basically like she was out of the show because of some personal problem. And I remember these like hoity toity theater people in London were like we paid to see Sheridan Smith, We're not couldn't stay here this story of my and then so then she went on and she was stunning and she actually had like a voice that Ben wants her to scream the songs I felt she screamed the song like that. That song is not

what I don't say. I don't mean scream, I just mean like full voice, belt beautifully Like I want her to be an amazing scene. She should well to be Fanny Bryce on stage effectively, you have to be an amazing singer and dramatic actress, an incredible physical comedian. Let me tell you who's born to Fanny? Oh my god, saying just just saying, just sing beat Fanny and as George that's too. You know remember when like it was like very much talked about, like for Leam Michelle to

do it. I haven't seen it. I don't see that for I don't either. I feel like there's a phase of every major musical project where there's a moment where it's like, is it going to be Lea Michelle? You know what I mean? Like there was an alphabet in the movie moment where it's like, is it gonna be Leo Michelle. That moment passed, but I would like to see her come back to Broadway. Oh. I would love to hear singing in any capacity. Yeah. I love Liam

Michelle's voice. I I think that she I think if she were to come back to probably everyone would be so excited. I agree. She's probably just waiting for the right thing, right, Yeah, I'm turning what even is a good as as the role? Maybe something original, maybe something original. That's see. That's the thing too with all the ladies is like when Sutton was doing like Shrek and Ship, I was like, I was like, do something original. But that it's like you realize how hard it's so hard

to get something like that. Like's not everything is just this like next to normal where it just like it happens and it's incredible and its perfectly one every like six or seven years. Yeah, totally. I mean Evan Hanson is one of Everything's damn dear Evan Hanson. Yeah, come on, But anyway, it's just I would I would love to see better, not better stuff, but just like more stuff that's original and thought provoking and like in musical theaters because there are a lot of you know I'm talking

there's a lot of experts. Well, no, but I agree, there's a lot of like there's a lot, a large percentage of it. That's one type of thing that sometimes people will see and then write off musical theater in general as an art format like something that they're not into, and it's like of all of the like obviously there's a millions of different kinds of films, intelligent shows, whatever.

But in theater, it's like you can have such vastly different experiences going to see like street to like you know, having like an emotional involving like narrative experience, like and knowing that that's possible when people are singing, and like knowing that it doesn't take you out of reality and in fact like can bring you like deeper into reality, but it's so for you and far between the shows

that actually successfully do that. And also I would think I I also think that when you have like a movie that's making me a musical oftentimes it's just very easy to just try to transplant that, like you know, like The Pretty Woman of It All, etcetera, etcetera. And then you have like Legally Blonde, which was like really fun and like that was great. But then did you see Bridges of Madison County? I did see Bridge of

Madison County? Did you did you like it? I mean, I think that as a show it could have used other things, but the two of them and the and the score and the both performances and the direction of the two of them, all of that was unbelievably. It was so beautiful. But I what I really appreciated it was it felt like its own thing. And I mean it didn't feel like the movie I put on stage.

I felt like a piece that was a piece of art that was like and honestly, I almost thought that my note for it was I thought it could have just been the two of them. To be honest with you, that's exactly what I meant. I would say, I think

that's your exactly right. Either, either just fill it out a little bit more and make that stuff that wasn't the two of them kind of matter more literally a teta tet because it's anyway, like I don't necessarily like need like a beautiful, gorgeous Derrik Klanna coming in and singing about like being a teenager in Iowa. I don't, I'm not, I don't care as much as I care about, like Kelly's incredible Italian accent and like, yeah, getting out of the tub. Can I tell you a Derek Klein

of story. Of course, my friend Luke Marinkovic's bachelor party was paintball gunning. Oh my god, and me and Derek Klein to have shot each other. Wow, And he is how many people can say that? And he is hot shot and he's a nice guy, and he's famously DJ finger blast on on Breakable Kimmy Schmidt, that is true. And he does an amazing impression of Steven Sader if you ever meet him, who is the writer of Springwakening. Yes, a very interesting creature. And for more of that follow

Derrek klennon Instagram. He's inject a little pill too. Is he works? Yeah? And I thought he was great. Kim Schmidt so funny, I love Okay, So it is now time for I don't think so um and I don't think it's funny. Is of course our segment on Last Cultures, where we take one minutes to rent against something in culture that we're just thinking it thinks it's this. We'll guess what we're going to say this. I have to find a new way to describe it. I don't think so.

On this the bend Platt episode of Last Coulturess, which will be called Apples or Judaism, time starts at I don't think so. Honey, perishable foods, Bitch, this stigma on preservatives has to stop. We have to end the stigma on preservatives. Canned food is where it's at. I want all food to be canned from now on. Fruits and vegetables, you're You're done, You're busted, You're canceled. I hate when I buy a bunch of strawberries or a bunch of grapes, and three days later they wither and die and I

can't even eat them anymore. I put them in my crisp and I might make sure they're taken care of, and yet they die on me. No, no, no, no, no, sweetie. Better be fresh all the time. And if nothing can be fresh all the time, then that means it better be unspoiled. So it's either honey or canned shipped for me from now on until the rest of time. Look, I'll find like veganism, gray, gluten free gray, let's the next scene set. Movement in food ethics is for all

food and not be perishable. And and I think that that that is the next runt here and mark my words, five seconds. The science has to get there to um for for for me to not I have to worry about things expiring. And that's one minute. Can I say something, I kind of want you to end every one of your I don't think so, Honey's with I'll Sue, because you were here before we had Benito skinting around and he ended up with being su and I kind of

love everyone. Remember that. Remember that? And then before end the other one, he went, remember that? And I love that for you, and I also love Sue. I like for you are like small, short powerful declaration. Wow. Yeah, okay, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you. Well that

was very good. I mean, the thing about perishable foods is they perish, and I therefore I don't think so, honey, And I don't think That's why I think it's so hard to cook too, because you have to think so in advance to buy things that are going to die by the time you're ready to cook them. Yeah, thank you, and get out of here. Get out of here with this. Here's here's here's a list of Pansy, Honey, I'm on Quimby. Honey, I'm on Quimby. I'm a Quimby girl. Guys, wait listeners, readers,

can you please download CIB please? I want you, guys. So many things I've already heard that are happening on there that I want to see. It's there's gonna be some cool stuff and we just wrapped a game show and I think it's going to be really good. Guys, So I want everyone to please download Quippy. It's gonna be so fun. They put so much work into this, it's so great. The whole crew is on it. Ben Platt was un a veil Lyn Stinkole. Ben p was unveil. Well,

I'm here now. Yeah, you're here now, and I'm coming to your goddamn show. I was coming anyway. I had tickets as an audience member. So it's just well, and honestly, by the time this episode is that, you'll have stunned the crowd because we are as a surprise. No, they'll be very Are you kidding me? All of it's gonna be Maybe I should hide backstage. We'll talk. We'll talk. No, I want you to do whatever you want to do. Yeah, my friends can come hang and then we can all

compig but we'll talk. You can, they can absolutely come hang. Okay, maybe we'll do that. We're gonna be we're gonna be tending to our friend. Oh yeah, we'll figure it out alright. But for now, this is ben plots. I don't think, honey, is he ready? Yeah? This is gonna be amazing. This has been plots. I don't think so, honey. As time starts new, I don't think so, honey. Live theater audience etiquette in general, it's gonna say, just phones, because that's

the biggest one. It's like the one decision you have to make when you sit down and said, turn your phone off. And if there's something so urgent going on in your life that you need to have your phone on because you're worried about checking it, don't come to the theater, darling. Don't come in a room for two hours. If you can't stand to be in there without checking your phone, turn it off. We're doing so much work for you. The least you need to press one button

before we start. Um. The other one is coughing. I understand if there's something in your throat that's impeding your ability to breathe, that you need to release, But cops are going to bigger who it is there sounds like just to fill space and to let us know that we're not keeping your attention or that the tension in the room caused about the drama is not enough for you.

Every More do you make affects the people on stage to think about everything that's coming out of your mouth just for this hour and a half, for two hours, it's not that hard of a request to make. Don't bring any fucking food in either way, Like I don't like. I understand that there's like concessions that you can buy the intermission, eat them intermission, that's great. Do not be unwrapping skills while I'm crying for you seconds and um. Also,

don't talk to each other. Thank you, thank you so much. And you know what I have to tell you. I've done a similar one just for unwrapping food. But this coming from you is going to make Patty Lapone headlines. This is akin to Patty Lapone saying are you are you ready? I was at the performance where she held the photographer. God, I was in the house, and did

you love it? I loved every minute of it. I believe that now it's pretty clear that it was a hired photographer that she just wasn't aware of because it was my because because it wasn't man taking photos very very like daciously in the aisle with a real camera, and it's just hard for me to believe that that's just someone in the crowd who So I think it was like, that's something that should have been brought by her, and that was and was not. But I lived for

every minute of it. Unbelievable to be their live when she turned her damn you thank's on one of that. So I'm guessing that you stand the Barbara Cooke Kennedy Center. Are you kidding me? It's the only video I'll ever watch, is that? I mean? Also, Sutton, don't be off. I was just like way up there, so very new to me. Everybody is so perfectly used in that medley too. The like is to be part of a Kennedy Center medley for someone you that'll that's that's coming wow. Honestly. Also,

here's the thing about coughing. You can almost always just swallow, correct, That's what I mean, unless it's gonna like threaten your health. Even if it's gonna make you momentarily uncomfortable. Do not make a noise. Don't make a noise. There's so many effective ways of muffling this down, covering your mouth, like like doing it in your exactly in your elbow. Everything. There's so many just like really very like reckless. Just

like it's like that that affected me. Yeah, I hear that, and I'm thinking about that and not Jennifer Laura Thompson. So like conscious watching. Yeah, we barely gonna watch movies anymore, and like that's so this is the only time most people are sitting in a dark room and have pay attention anyway. So it's like just just the money that everyone else paid to their experience and it's just like it's so expensive and like just for me to remember.

I think it was, you know what it was, it was um towards the end of I think it was skin tight. I saw like the plan that was in it was like truly they were having like it was like the emotional climax of it and someone was just coughing and coughing to the point where everyone in the theater was like, Oh, if you're that, don't come, don't come. And I went to what the Constitution means to me.

It was great and there it was me and her was her, Me and this older gentleman who took about twenty minutes to take off his coat to twenty minutes, just like, and it's like a noisy, noisy, noisy coat, just like. And then I was like, I was fine with it. I was like, it's a little distracting, but study just like, yeah, And it was really funny to see her that piste up but to play that's advocate.

I also did once get mad at someone who was sitting in front of me at Wicked for turning to me and glaring at me while I was gasping at the defined gravity vocals. But that's fine. That's a totally different type of was there with non and Jessica Votsk was singing like so if you're good if me and we were like and this guy was like, like, you don't understand Wicked, sir, Yes, you you don't for the right reasons. You can't feel in your throat what she's doing.

You're like a bad bachelor contestant. The wow that is the transaction though the theater is that you you get to respond as an audience member. Yes, the response is different, like standing during fucking I'm here, like in color purple and that's amazing. I'll be in the aisle full fanta do that ripped it up. I wish I wish I could. I wish you could have done it in the production that was the later production. I think they really got the world right the second time that, even though the

songs and the material already great. So I would have left to see that. So did you see it with Cynthia, Danielle and Jennifer I saw five times because it was right before I was about to Evan Hanson and I was getting really scared about it. And I saw Cynthia once the first time I went, and I was so like blown away by she was able to do that. I was like, I have to go see her on five different days of the week and see if she's really always doing this, And she always was doing that performance.

So I saw her with Jenniferson twice. I saw Heather Headley twice, and I saw Jennifer Holiday once. Whoa, I forgot that Jennifer Holiday stepped into that for how long? I feel like it. It was a very different experience, but a very special one. I mean, Heather was the was the best. I love the way the way that she chooses to like express words that are not really the words she's saying. Have you heard the concert version of dream Girls? I do Dina and Lilias as um White.

I've at least seen bit parts Heather is um Laurel in it, and it's really funny. What about the porters James Sounder early, that's amazing. What about the concert where Lilias is Fanny Brice? Have you ever seen that? I've seen that one, because that didn't it wasn't it like they were all a bunch of different Vanny Brices. Yeah. And she does dominated My Parade, which is amazing because Edina was in that one. At the end she goes parade and you're like that before we before we um

cap this off. Have you seen the Brandy chevon Massey Defined Gravity? I think so? Okay, Well, usually I just want Esac over and over again because to me, she's locally maculate. There was this there was the stand by her understudy um named Brandy chevon Massey who got her shot at define Gravity, and what she does at the end was absolutely it's we think, we think about constant. It's my favorite thing that's ever happened on the Browler stage.

I'm sorry, have you heard the bell Jean, the Hungarian bel Jean eat it at the end of who am I? It's crazy? It's crazy. No, Brandy side Messy didn't even eat it. She just like slayed it in a way that's like so different, so different. We can't wait. Okay,

so literally we have to we have to stop. But this was so fun to have true underplayed like I truly often I've I've said this embarrassingly and I think in a d M too, But truly, when I'm feeling like anxious or sad or like about the world, I listened to this podcast to walk around the city and it makes you feel so much better. So thank you for well you do that for us, my damn heart. I love you, Rock and anytime you want to come back, you're another You're a legendary talent. Thank you so much

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