Look man, oh I see you? Why why and look over there? How is that? Yes? Goodness, let's calling. I have something to call out. Speaking of calling, let's call something out. Okay, back up with us in the studio, in a in a you know, really getting his hands dirty today is hot producer Joe. It's almost like he's been too good for us lately. Now, well the opposite. Oh oh no, that's not so. I think what I think.
What I think the what's been happening lately, listeners is that hot producer Joe, Hot produce Alex will just poke their heads and be like, hey you guys, good, okays good, We're gonna go do to whatever the funk else we do with our lives. And I leave us with Will, who's wonderful. But you know, it's not that Will is not family. It's just that you know your family, and for you to abandon us, I would just be curious to see what the what the listeners out there thinking
about hp J, HPJ being distant. hPG is just sort of been canonized in this way, and for him to just leave is unconscionable. Okay, well we'll talk about this later, but listen, it's irresponsible because what you don't know what we're gonna say. We're running them up anyway as awards season heats up. Oh my god, well yes, please keep going. I'm I'm a little I'm a little like what what is your what is your status? Right now? I'm itching to talk about this. Okay, this is and we're all
about to get an education too. We truly are, Okay. So I was just saying as I came in here, I don't think I've ever been so gagged for the guests because literally, like, and what I'm saying is I don't give a funk about any of you've had on
the show. That's what I'm saying. No. But in addition, I have been on this gentleman's website since I since for like the past eleven years, and I'm gonna date myself by saying I think the first time I was like, I'm obsessed with this website was when there was full articles and like, um props be given to Kirsten Dunces performance in Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mines. That's when I knew you were my number one. Oh my god, And you know why I always say Kirston Dunce makes
it look easy. I got that from our guests because I was like, she does make it look easy, especially in that movie. Completely underappreciated across the board for almost everything she's ever done. She is and that character is integral to the plot. Huge and oh my god, Kirsten was so good and she and she did and she played high and drunk really well. Remember, yeah, almost makes it look easy. And I will say it's rule of culture number what fourteen seventy is? Kirston makes it look easy.
And we talked about this about the Beguiled Man. I don't really understand why not in the conversation kind of just seeing well we could talk about this because we literally have the best person to talk about this with. Okay, this is this is someone who basically invented oscar prognostication. Well, I mean we we have to we would say what he says about that, but I love it. I think I would like to say he invented it or just the modern the modern sort of discourse he has he
has he has created for me. Yes, yeah, um, what were that's his cred I'm starting the credits and you know, yes, Okay, So I want everyone to be logging on, especially to the rest of the season and also of the Oscar season and of course all year round. I'm on it every day, the Film Experience dot Net. I'm telling you, it's the most um in depth film coverage. UM. There's lots of websites out there. You've got your Goal Derby,
you got your awards daily for you Oscar gays out there. UM, this I think is the website with the most dimension that cares the most. It's for me, you know, I've nothing's nothing stuck with me in this way. And I'm a recent converts. I know I got you into it. You got me into it, especially this season this year. Um. And he has the accompanying podcast, Film Experience Podcasts, and he will release his upcoming film Bitch Awards. So this actually I believe that Kirsten Dunns was gold medalist in
the Film Bitch Awards years ago for Eternal Sunshine. And I was like, yes, because no one is paying any attention to Houston. And also the categories are amazing. You have like, um, Hottest Hottie of the Year, you have uh, like there's like a fifteen or two twenty, like best Scenes of the year, which I can't believe. I can't
believe Awards don't do get this too. Yeah, so there's not only supporting categories, right, limited performance categories like someone that comes in and just slays one scene right right right? Like here, who are we talking about last week? Um? Betty, Betty, Gabriel, Gabriel get out? Oh my god, she slaid that one scene. I can't keep talking about this without him. Okay, so let's introduce our guest, Nathaniel Rogers. Hello, hy Nathaniel, Hello, Hi is first of all, listen. Uh, this is like
a little atypical. We usually have like a New York area comedians on, but I feel like we're here to give everyone an education in terms of how the Awards season shakes out. And it is our honor and the listeners honor to be listening to some want to talk about this at length, in depth, and to have to have Nathaniel here with us. So this is our privilege. Just so you know, I'm very scared, don't you have to? Did you know you have stands? Did you know you
have fans out there that are like really obsessed? Yes, I've been stopped in movie theaters. You have and on the streets of other cities, but not not in New York so much. Okay, so listen, um, I bet that people that see you in movie theaters know that you're cultivating an opinion that is then going to influence the masses, and so they feel like very nervous to see what it isolated with theater. I think I would just leave you alone. No, they're like, what did you think about?
They want, you know, the scoop, They want the scoop. They want to know what's gonna So listen. So are you in the Broadcast Film Critics Association, so you get to vote for the recent awards. How are you feeling about how it check out? Well, I'm always a little nervous about that show because it's one of the things you want to be like proud of it, I remember, but always like a little like yeah yeah, because you have a direct line to it in some ways, yeah yeah.
But you don't get to really decide on a lot of like the rules. And they're constantly changing their categories, which is a little embarrassing because consistency is key. Oscar is the king or the main right, because it's been the same right relatively relatively but like you know, ninety years now, like you have two in order to have that power and that have to you have to be
an institution of course. So yeah, so I think, I guess we could say the big winner of the Broadcast Film Critics Awards, but now they're just called the Critics Choice Awards right on mainstream the Shape of Water, Shape of Water, and yeah, shape of Water and I and the snub of the night was Ladybird just across the
walk away with sectors with nothing with nothing. Yeah, um but yeah shape of Water, which, like I guess and I think and just reading reading Nathanial site reading Film Experience, um, like like it's I guess, I guess, like it's chances are just even higher not it when the genre thing, and it's because it's, yeah, where is your head at right now about what the front runner is to win Best Picture because it feels all over the place, but also we feel like it's kind of centering in on
maybe two or three movies, Like where do you think it's at right now? Well, it's very confusing right now because people are it's in this war of like the old and the new. Like I think at some point someone's going to write a book. Maybe me, but somebody I think it's gonna write a book like Mark Harris, who I love Pictures of a Revolution, which is about nineteen sixty seven and how the oscars and the movie
culture was shifting. That year was like a pinpoint, pivotal year, and I think that's gonna be written at some point about this time period in the context of like Weinstein stuff and right correct, maybe well, because everything seems to be shifting, not just in the culture of Hollywood hopefully
we don't. We don't know the fallout of that. We really don't, UM, but the types of movie that are nominated, like absolutely in Moonlight that would not have been the Best Picture winner ten years before that, UM and then this year maybe get Out Maybe I think it really could. I think it stands a chance because I think right now what you're seeing with with all the awards bodies
that have kind of decided they're all. I feel like, get Out is what you get when you combine all these different things and you get a result, you know what I mean. I think that across the board everybody and every that does something in regards to film actors, writers, directors. I think people that work in terms of like behind the scenes and everything like that. I think everyone has a respect for Get Out and Now, but that nix it confusing because how does the movie win Best Picture.
I know that there's something to do with like everyone having it be their favorite movie or listening at as number one on the ballot. Like, it's very complicated. It's not a straight vote, which it used to be, and so that's why it's a little confusing. Like may be La La Land would have won last year if there was a straight vote, But what happens is you get points for being number one and then points for being
number two and all that. So if you're a divisive movie now it's actually harder to win the top prize, right because not every like Best Actress isn't ranked, not ranked. No, it's just like you're whoever gets the most number votes, but Best Picture is ranked. So you know, if if some, if lots of people hate you, even if the most people loved you, you're not gonna win. That's so interesting. I like, what's like, what's an example of that this year of a divisive movie? Well, that's in the runt.
What do you think Three billboards, three billboards it's true, and I think it is the most divisive movie of the year in terms of the awards conversation. And you really see a backlash now. I think people once they started, once site started reporting, well, you know, it's now the front runner after Golden Globes. So that's how it feels.
I think people immediately started to feel like we don't want that, which was which was sort of the Lala in narrative last year, right, And it's so interesting, like like you read up on all the all of the three billboards backlash and it's like some people are pointing out how um Toronto like and just at Toronto it did so well, but like that just speaks to how like homogeneous of of a body like that festival is.
It's just like, oh, it's like a bunch of white people who are like I think it's like a feel good like it thinks it's like a nice little racial salve or whatever, and you know you know what I mean. It's like absolutely that is the criticism. And then it's like but then you release that to like a general audience and they're like, wait a minute, this is weird
and stupid. And I think that's why I personally am gonna go out on the limb and give get Out the edge to win, because I do think that people are going to say, what I mean, that was my favorite movie. I think if you had, if you had to predict, now, what are we saying now? I would maybe say Shape of Water because just because as it's not divisive, like even people like me like I don't love it, but I definitely don't dislike it, and it would and it it's fine in every ways it does.
It doesn't upset me. You know, I'm not guy. I wouldn't rank it last on a ballot. It's a crowd pleaser in that way where it's like there's nothing to really hate. Although although it hasn't really caught on with the public, if you look at the box office, it's kind of like below Ladybird, Yeah, below three billboards right right right. Um, I was talking. I was talking to someone about this, and you know what I hate? What do you hate? This is what I hate about Shape
of Water. They gave Octavia just nothing, nothing. They never give her much, I know, but especially in this movie. I mean in this film though half of her lines are Eliza like you know what I mean? I would I will hate it if she's nominated because I'm sorry, but there's other performances that we're not even talking about, like I will bring up Kirston again, like there's just it seems like there's other like for I'm sorry, but
get Out doesn't work with that. Alison Williams is performance and I've heard people say she's good in that movie and good in Girls, the same way as January Jones is good and Mad Memories. But I don't think that's true. So I just think and I just think, like that's such an insulting thing like that January Jones by accident, which is sort of correct to level that on someone else and be like what house and Williams is just
it's just it's just like what a fluke? That's that's But the thing is, I think that would be such a more exciting nomination than like I hate to do this, but like Octavia for doing nothing and Mary j for doing nothing bound yet she does nothing. Okay, um, do you agree she does nothing? Well? But she doesn't so resonant. She does nothing so beautifully that is, which is January. She certainly looks good and like sunglasses and a hat. Does, and she her like her best scene in the whole
movie is when Carrie Mulligan is very upset. But when is Carrie mulan always got to be in some sort of anguish on like it's at least on a six or seven out of time, but they're like clenching and embracing and Marry j By just perfect in that scene. There's all these levels of like, yes, I'm giving you comfort, but why do I have to give your comfort? You
know what? It's just surprising. It's like one of those things at the end of the year where you're like, huh, they've been appearing on every list, or like this is something that's a thing or that like oh, this person is not on every list. Similar to that, like for example, why Holly Hunter and not right Romano? Um, you've just said it by saying their names. I mean, but the thing is that you can't take Ray like Ray Romano at no point in his life is doing a mute
performance and winning an oscar you know what I mean? Yes, you didn't see the piano. You must see the piano. I thought you were talking about like sucking Sally or something. No, no, honey. And also I don't know. I'm not. I just don't. I don't get Sally Hawkins. Really, I don't think she's got a star quality. But anyway, that's a whole other can of worms, so listen. I just think Romano actually
it's a more versatile performance then Holly Hunter's. I think Holly Hunter's performance is great, and I liked it even more the second time I watched The Big Sick, but I was like even more impressed with Ray Romano. The second time was like, because it feels because Holly Hunter's whole thing will go ahead, but that might not be. That might be the surprise factor, which is also key in Oscar racist like when an actor you're not expecting
anything from Yeah, like January Joe exactly. I mean if she would get an Oscar nomination, that would be wild, and it would happen if she was really good in a movie, because people would be like, let me tell you, it sure would. Well, she's doing a great job of level setting and of just being like I'm not I'm not going to be good at this. What the fun is she doing right now? January? I have no clue, do you know what? I don't? And I was a
huge fan of her. Look, I actually love her. I love her on mad Men too, But once you see her in like x Men, that she plays like whatever, miss Frost, You're like, this bitch is only like come on, like she sure, sure, sure, sure, I mean yeah, but mad Men she's amazing. But also she meant definitely. And there's also a scene in mad Men which I'm a January Jones apologist half the time for this reason. Do you remember you were a big mad Men fan? You
always covered me. I love that. I loved your analysis is a mad Man because mad Men is very cinematic, of course, and famously so. But there's a scene where she thinks she's going to model again in and they come over and they're like, actually you're not, and we're going to need to take that necklace and she's like, oh okay, and they take the necklace offer and her eyes just filled with tears. It's like she's giving you
everything in that scene. Sure sure. And then also I think it was like the finale of the season three and she's gonna they're about to fight, and she's like I want to scream at you, and it was just like, yeah, you're so uncomfortable expressing yourself and so such a child that like it just it was such an effort for her to even say the words that she felt. You know, maybe she was good, Nathaniel. Maybe you're right and she's
amazing on that show. Although I will hold it against her forever and not Petty Draper or not sure not January Jones. But sometimes you hold it against an actor when they're playing the character, when they're playing a monster. Yes, absolutely, where she dissed Joan Crawford in the show and the best of everything, saying Joan Crawford wasn't even human, and I was very riled up all it took. I'm not
saying that's all a check. I don't mean to minimize that, but I mean, I unfortunately hold it against peg y Olsen that Elizabeth Moss is a scientologist. Oh that's what an interesting what a what a nice inversion? Yeahs or whatever? Um No, But I mean, look, I just I just had my my sag. I voted, and I did something that I would like your take on. I voted without seeing everything. You say, No, this is not good, lump, I didn't. I'm not seeing three billboards that's I can
see it. Anytime because the screener is sitting there. But it's just that kind of movie where I'm like, I don't want to watch this, but it's it's entertaining. I will say I found it entertaining, and my first response of walking out of the theater was, oh, like, what a fun way for Martin McDonough to do like Cohen Brothers drag. Then like but then like you think about this this you know, Amrockles Redemption arc and you're like, oh,
actually that was kind of sucked up. Well, that's the thing is he's such a muscular writer that he can get away with a lot until after the fact and you're like, yeah, wait, that's exactly examination You're like, hold on, wait, I was really on board for this to also shame on me, right yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. Um, oh my god. I feel like we should pull up the prediction index. But maybe not. I mean I would we
should do that. I would say, well, I just want to ask you flat out like it, without taking off the prognosticator cap, what what have you really enjoyed this year? Not to spoil the film Bitch Awards which are forthcoming, or your Top ten which you have not released this right right, right, But can you talk about like this is true? Okay, so this feeling so much guilt about that right now? I mean, but I'm so late, That's okay, that's okay. I will say this. Whenever you are late
on the film Bitch Awards, I get really mad. Like whenever like I see a category is not full, or like sometimes just the blocks will be like yellow, silver and bronze or whatever, I'll be like, what is it? Like I need to know called a life? I just unfortunately don't and need that information. Life is what happens in between the film bit works culture. But what are you liking? I mean, like, what are you most excited to seek a recognition? Well? This is this is the
happy ending of the year. The Ladybird got so much, absolutely because I wasn't expecting it. And I love the movie. I think it's terrific, amazing from start to finish everything and I feel like Greta took not that she needed from other people. But twentieth Century Women was my favorite movie did get ranked number one for last year, which I sort of agree work. I liked it very much. I did a little bit more than Medlight, but all
that humanism. From that and from Mike Mills movies, and from her performances, you can feel her as an actor within the movie even though she's not in it, which is amazing. She has a presence. She's really got such a song PV. I think the scene of the year, he's I'm obsessed with this. I just think that nobody has gotten across um this coming out kind of the panic and especially the kind of like regional like how you feel in that type of like area than that
scene where Lucas had just breaks down. I mean, that was it caught me by such surprise. It's just like I felt myself rise out of my seat and my just eyes filled with tears. It was I felt more seen by that as a gay person than any moment of called me by your name, Wow, beg okay, and I like call me by your name. And you know what line keeps bouncing around like resounding in my head, echoing in my brain is search of saying you're gay. Remember that the way she says that in that scene,
you're gay. I don't know, this is something about that. I just think that scene doesn't happen by accident. That scene happens because there's an amazing director directing incredible material. I think that it would be such a crime, and I don't think it will happen now, But if she used to out on Best Director nomination, I'm so worried about that. You must worry because it's happened so many times.
But but I feel like, because what voting end did, what this week two days ago to day, it's like and I feel like just in that window after the Golden Globes and and before the due date, I feel like, well I got a boost. I agree, but I agree about what I'm still nervous about is they don't vote as a monolith and every year exactly it's just individual people.
You know, this thing that just happened that I just have to talk about cause I'm so mad about the Mark Wahlberg, Yeah, I want to talk about this, the paid disparity with Michelle Williams. So you know he donated his rats. Mark I said I wanted him to do. Was exactly what he did, donated to the fund, which is nice. But anyway, it's it's nice and it's great. I'm sure they could use the money. But also he's getting credit for it when he only did it because
he was pressured into it exactly. So I'm thinking Mark Wallberg's ballot, He's not going to be like HM, which then can I honor this year? That's not the way people think individually. We all have our own opinions. And I also was gonna I was thinking, like you know, post the Globes, it felt like, oh, now we're definitely going to see a lot of women nominated at the at the Oscars, like we will see Grata. But also, you know, some people might have voted a little early.
Some people aren't waiting until the last day to cast their ballots. I mean, I didn't wait to vote for SAG and like I should have because I didn't see everything. I just knew who I wanted. Some people might have just known who they wanted and voted already. And also, and you know, they weren't affected by the Oprah speech and Barber shaming everyone and Natalie Portman dropping the mic, you know what I mean, Like they weren't maybe necessarily
moved by that because they didn't wait. Sure, and they maybe don't read everything online the rest of US culture except for the film Exparents. They probably yeah, they probably they probably reading have you do you ever hear from people? Um, like when you you interviewed many actors. I just said, you did not interview with Jamie Belle. Oh yeah, I mean what a dream is he? Are he and Evan Rachel still together? No? No? He is? Uh now with
Kate Mahra. Oh okay, I love Kate Mary. Interesting. Interesting you didn't made a face like you don't like Kate. I have no real opinion on Kate. I never saw how I like Kate. And here's how I know I like Kate because I was in despair when she spoiler alert got fucked up by that subway in House of Cards. I didn't even watch the show, and I felt despair about that. Oh yeah, no, it was despairing to watch, especially because it came out of No. This is what
House of Cards was at the peak, right right? It used to be legit good right? Um? So, uh, Matt, you were asking, do you does Disney Daniel hear from? Yeah? I was do you ever hear um back, maybe catch a little flak or like ever hear from someone that uh that kind of like was like, oh my god, I can't believe it, Like what's the kind of blowback or you know, positive stuff like any memories or stuff
like that. Um that the most blowback I ever got was from Jennifer Lawrence's publicist, Thank god, Okay, go on, no, but this was the Winter's Bone time period. Jennifer was even like a thing thing, definitely, And it was about a little caption I put under a photo, which I'm not even proud of now, but I was just I was just trying to be funny, which sometimes backfires if you're not a comic. So funny it give yourself some credit. What was the caption? I'm so embarrassed in this year
of the women, and so I was. I was listening like each woman and like saying like doctor or whatever whatever. The dress spoke to me. Yes, yes, yes, but it was in tiny little prank because it was the caption, and when it came to Jennifer's it just said expensive call girl. Honestly though that they put her in that dress, that dress because and she she did the Iro classic. I mean she deliberately she was. She called it the
bathing suit dress. Yes, she was giving you Molly's Game, the Cinemax version of Jennifer Lawrence before we even knew who. Of course, and also you would have thought she took herself super seriously at the time. Sure, and maybe she still does so her publicist, they said they called me and said, I think that's a misogynistic thing to say, which hurt my feelings of coarse because I love women. Yeah, you are an actra sexual, yes, yes, um. But also
that's on them for putting stigma on sex work. So there you go, bitch, because I was gonna say, you didn't even you didn't even ask me if I thought called girls were awesome or not. Yeah, yeah, I hope you typed that, right. I hope you said. I can feel from you that it was definitely like, I'm so deeply sorry, but I hope you had said, well, just so you know, I have messing called girls who earned their millions and go on to become philanthropists. And also
it shouldn't be legal, and there's no stigma, no stigma. Wow. But I will say, most of the time when I hear from people, it's positive, good, great. But and I want to say this out to any actor working actor out there we're listening to. It's amazing when someone writes you to thank you for something you wrote. Yes, when like when it's happened to me, it's usually a non famous person, but like, I'll be shouting someone out. This
is an example, didn't happen. But like the type of performance exactly like you brought up early, Betty Grabiel Gabriel again, get out. So when I see a performance like that that's amazing and people don't know their name, I always make sure to mention the actor's name, that's awesome. And sometimes you hear back everyone's while everyone well, I will say this, what's so? And I talked about this in the last episode, but I watched it out again, So isn't it Isn't it so much fun? The second time?
Fantastic everything to parents to it. My dad really liked it. My mom was falling asleep, but she falls asleep for everything. But my dad really liked it, and I knew he would, and I was watching it again. Just those performances are impossible to give. There's it's such an ask of an actor to do that. For me, it's just so disappointing. And you talk about this when the SAG nominations come out. When they don't give a nomination and not for someone who shares a title car for someone who stares for
everyone out there. That's like saying, you know, just to say like there with this movie, it's like, of course, you know they list all the actors and that it says end Katherine Keener, and then every person that they haven't listed, like the first seven Games Gabriel and these actors Little Rell and Betty Gabriel too. You know, performances that pivot the film don't get to share in that
ensemble nomination. What do you think is with that? And will it change like and what do you think is going on in the heads of people if they know this is true and then put put them on a title cover three other people? What is it? That's why I've been such a crusader about this. Every year I write about this because it makes me so angry. And I was I interviewed, um ah my brains. Corey stole that was so amazing in Midnight in Paris movie, and I think that's I think his performance is a prime
example of why they even got the ensemble nomination. And he was on the second with Woody Allen movies. That works different because everybody's listed together. But if they but if it's a big cast, they get a second page, and the second page is not listed. So Sad has all these rules about it, and all of the rules suck. They are they do suck. Also because there when Rangers the New Black Ones, you see a hundred girls woke
up on the stage. Meanwhile, like get out, like they have an ensemble of what twelve and you're only going to see seven people, you know what I mean. They'll probably bring them up on stage and imagine, but they still don't actually get the actual statue. It's just unless they pay like a hundred fifty dollars or something. Maybe I think, like in terms of I think that's how
Emmy's work sometimes. Well literally, if you win an Emmy you do have to pay for which I think, actually, yeah, I'm almost positive this is a thing across the board. Any hardware that you win at all, you pay for and you pay to get it engraved and everything like that you are an Oscar winner and that you won the Oscar, but to actually take it home, even the biggest movie stars, you have to pay like a couple
of hundred bucks to have it engraved and everything. It's like when you get a class ring, you know what I mean, Like it's four and you're like, oh god, I have to get a class ring. I mean it's a class ring and then you wear exactly one time. And I just want everyone to know that I never bought into just that class ring bullshit. So there's some people who just um, so anyway, um yeah, but I agree.
And I feel like SAG does that weird thing where it's like you're only voting from like this already curated pool of nominees. It's not like right, like isn't there's a nominating committee nominate, chose a couple of random thousand people or whatever, and then they decide do they do like the sliding scale, like how did they like? No, I think it's a straight vote, and then based on what they've decided, then everybody votes. Sure. I gotta tell you.
It was so hard to vote for the Television awards so as in Critics Choice words also well for the TV stuff. I don't actually they originally had two separate awards bodies and then they combined them, and you know, they're following the Golden Globes models and it's like Critics Choice, Movie and Television Awards, but there's actually two separate bodies. There's a Broadcast Film Critics Association and the Broadcast Television So without being actually be as shady as you want,
what do you think of their television selections? Well, they were just rubber stamping the Emmy, and they truly were. But I'm okay with rubbert stamping if it means Nicole Kimman and Alexander's. You know, famously I always said ballot in my handgun to my head, alveol for Reese Witherspoon, and I did vote for Nicole Wow for sag Yeah. I just thought about her like shivering on the ground, like I thought about her doing those scenes, and I was like, I don't know, that to me is like
real achievement. And also like the conversation it started like of course Big Little Eyes started as a whole, but you know, it's really that performance that everyone was talking about at the ends, and I thought to the place she had to go. I really respected that, and as an actor, I thought that would be really challenging for me to do, whereas Reese, I think, is just giving you Reese a plus rees, which is enough for me. Usually it's enough for you for Reese to shout, what
does what does she say? To that Crossing Guard. I've been here longer you haven't. I'm you're new here. I'm not. Yeah, that's fine, It's just it's so good. She's great in that. Yeah, I I even though you know, I'm a major Nicole Kim, which which I appreciate, but I feel for Reaess a little bit every time because that is of her very best performance. Absolutely absolutely, But you know what, she's got that Oscar. She's finally they all just got the Oscar. But you know, I do think I do want to
keep going on Nathaniel's list of his favorite movie. Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, so necessarily as top ten because that's coming. But talk to us, like what's in your heart you're passionate about this year? Well, we already said, Ladybird get out. A huge fan of the French movie BPM, which I missed, which I missed when it was out in the city,
and like I, you know, I haven't gotten any any screeners. Yeah, we were told by our friend that it was great God and somehow it did not really win big at Can but Pedro Almdovar through the through the grape vine, I've heard that he wanted that to win. But members of his jury. It can We're all about the square, the Swedish Oscar, so maybe there was a little argument. Who knows, I love it behind the scenes most of
our arguments. Um, so BPM is actually not not not uh in in question for form, it's already been kicked out because you know that for Foreign Language Film they narrowed down to nine before it becomes the five nominees, so it wasn't even at the top nine for people, which upset me greatly because it's amazing. I hear there's
there's like such a truthfully depicted sex sone. When I first time, I was just reading about this and I was like, oh, I have to go see this, not because it's like smutty, but not because I have any of my own smutty thoughts, but just because it's like, oh, I need to see that. Yeah, I mean we have. We were told that it was great, so also, isn't isn't first they first they killed my father? That Angelina
Jolian movie movie that's also not that so interesting. There's always drama, which will never hear about that category because they have executive committees, they have nominating committees. The interesting Oh my god, oh my god. Okay, so what what is the most bullshit esoteric thing about uh, the Academy? Like, in your opinion, having followed this all these years, what would you say is your most is your biggest grants to qualm? Yeah, what's the biggest qualm? Um? And there's
so many. It's a lot of bull But one of the qualms is that you don't have to sorry, you don't have to see the things before I go. I mean, honestly, I deserve it. So that's a That's one of the problems. Another one is that like the consistency. You know, I'm a big inconsistency. You have to be the same every year so that people can value you as a tradition. And I don't understand why makeup and hairstylists are so disrespected. They only get three nominees and everybody else gets five.
So wild. Also, sometimes I do that with the original song too, they'll just decide more. But they did, yeah they did for a little while there, Um, what's it at now? No, get it's five. But then sometimes there you can't even think of five songs from movies, Like it's getting so weird. It's not like back in the day. Where My Heart Will Go On was also a mainstream hit. You know what I mean. Now, It's like I would to the list of potential nominees and it was like
the Taylor Swift song from fifty Shades Darker. No thanks might mean she's she's she's doing she might become an OSCAR nominee, bitch, like I would say no thanks. Yeah. But when Sam Smith won an Oscar, I gave up on that category forever. Actually that was traumatic, traumatic, especially since it followed that I don't want to give throw
shade because I'm not a singer. But he was off key the whole performance, and when Oscar it was rough, and for him to win over Gaga after literally their fists are in the air and she brings that all these campus assault victims, you're like campus rapussalt, it's sexual assault, Like what a moment? Like what a It was also
a much better song, so much better. And also Diane Warren always Overdue right, never won an Oscar never never, and she's like seven eight nominations and many many and also the writer of so many classic song from films. That's fucking Sam Smith and then just saying that he was he was the first fucking winner. Oh my god, what a fucking horror first game man to win and off. Yeah, yeah, that is so fun. What a perfect ship storm of bullshit.
I don't know, so that was that, I think because that happened they read the wrong name of the Best Picture winner, like the universe was thrown off and nothing good could happen. But from that, I do think so. But for me, it's like, tell me inside about this because I think it's getting better. But I think the biggest bullshit thing about the Academy is like the actual makeup of the Academy being so one thing. It's so
white and so male and so straight. But they've they've actually, like those initiatives they set in place, they've really been changing, so they like the It's expanded already from like six thousand too, I think nine wow, all in the past few years. And when you see the list, there's like a lot of you know, white men from the Academy every year, but there's it's like a much much larger
percentages and the balance it's much different in the new members. Yeah, I did notice that there seemed to be a lot more young people, young women, and more people of color. Every year on the list, which does mean that there's a concerted effort um which counts for something. Yeah, but this is I think I might have found this out from your site. And this is something I cite a lot. The average age of the Best Actress Oscar winner is twenty nine, or it was the year Natalie Portman one.
It is still correct. I posted that people did not believe me, and I'm like, girl, I did the research word and what is it? For men? Best Actor? There was not an exact like the most Best Actress I
had won at twenty nine. The men there was a few different age, but it was basically a range in your forties or late th right, right, And this is anything, This is what you This just goes goes to on what you are saying about Timothy is that his chances are kind of all over the place because just they're not gonna they're not going to really like reward someone so young, especially because you make an excuse, which is
they have their whole career ahead of them. Rum But it's like, why doesn't that apply to the fucking the Newick girls every year? You know, like they just because they because they'd rather see them on stage looking good. Right. I think that's what you might have even been the one that said this, but it's what I maybe it's what I pulled from it. But it's men that they see themselves in and there are other friends and women
that they want to fuck. Listen. I knew speaking of men that you know, the issues that that men bring to looking at other men, right. Um. I knew Michael Fassmander was not going to be nominated for Shame in the year that he wasn't nominated, which everybody else predicted. And then my bitch, I sat at those tables and I heard them, Academy members because I got all these luncheon. I heard them talking the only thing they would ever talk about. It's his penis, really stand and these are
these are men? Yeah, Okay. It was not in a like wow, what it was like, Yeah, it was a penis was certainly in the film. It was just like they were obsessed with it, and I think I think they were put off obsessed with it. I get it. Yeah, I'm like, they're not going to nominate him. It's all these men. Yeah, And that that was an indicator for you. You You were like, oh, this this inverted male gaze of like or just inverted. It's still the male gaze of just like oh a Penis. No, well it was
like that was like like you clocked that at that point. Yeah. I did not predict him. Everybody else did. I'm like, it's not going to happen. I heard. And then when George Clooney introduced him with the whole like you know, like talking about is like oh yeah, yeah, as Penis as a golf club or something. It was so weird. It was at the clubs. Do you guys remember that? I think I do, But like I feel like I'm
always like, oh, they're drunk. It's the globes, but like it can't have like hung in the air as a nice thing. Hung sure, little joke now, but also like it's this thing that happens all the time which I hate, which is happening again this year. You know, not saying he's not deserving, but Gary Oldman is is known as overdue and so like when they feel like they've messed up before, HPJ is shaken his god damn head. He doesn't think that. He doesn't think Gary Oldman deserves it.
Do you? Who would you vote for Timothy? Because the only because according to Nathaniel in the prediction, and next the only two locks for best Actor our Timothy and Gary correct. And then the other three are voted for Daniel Caloya for best Actor, and then and then and then I guess the other big persons are day Lewis and then the Yeah, well know, because it's very it's up in the air. Yeah, Like, I think a lot
of them have a really really good shot. I just don't want to say their locks because there's more than three of them besides Timothy and Gary, yes, and they don't. Like I think Daniel Clue is probably safe, right, Yeah, I think so. But the other three, it's like, which is Daniel day Lewis, Um, Tom Hayes, Tom Henk. What the fund is going on with the post? I don't know? And the post is all over the place. Yeah, I was. I likened it today to like a roller coaster and
you're climbing the roller coast. Everybody's like it's gonna win everything. Yeah, and then as soon as you start designing people screaming,
it's losing everything. Yeah. It's like that's very like, although when it comes to best Actress, like Francis Yawn sort of, I just feel like we've I know, but that whole movie, I was like so not on board with the post until it's that shot that like just like goes in on Meryl and she's on the phone and she's like, yeah, yeah, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, let's go, let's go, let's yeah,
let's do what we should do it we should. It was I mean, it's I'm not I'm I'm butchering it, but it's I mean, that was when I was like the whole movie came together for me. Now it is like wow, and it was thrilling. And so I feel like Frances never really gave you the need there needs to be. Look, I didn't. I think that Frances mcdormant is incredible, incredible, like I said, when as someone who has I mean still I haven't seen it, but I just know that I've seen it before. And but the
thing is that's not fair. That's really not fair. And I also want to say, like this is this is all over the where are you going with this? Because I'm nervous to say this next thing. Okay, say it, say it. I voted for Margot Robbie because I fucking love Titania and we're sitting here at the table with someone who really really, I would even go as far as say, hey, totally dislikes and maybe even hates Titania. You think it's lifetime trash. I think it's trash. I
think it's rewriting history trash. And I am not there for it. You're not there. I've voted from Margot Nna Allison. The pendulum is swinging back a little bit. Do do you get what I'm saying? It's like it's everywhere now and today. Nancy Carrigan sort of quote, Unn, I didn't see what. I'm busy living in my life. But it's
like I thought, I I thought about this too. Is like it is sort of sucked up that like she was I saw you, like that status she was on, you know, just pretty unequivocally the victim in that situation. And for I mean, yeah, it's it's whatever. It's a nuanced portrayal of poverty and blah blah blah and like, but for it's gotta be weird for her to be like, wait,
what the fuck? I think this was Tanya Harding story and it was very stylized, like the movie is incredibly stylized, and also the movie literally says there is no such thing as truth, and so like, yeah, I can get being salty about the movie. I get, I get like not, you know, wanting to retread it, but she I don't know. I'm sorry. Like my read on Nancy Karagin is that she kind of like I don't want to hang out with her. Okay, well I hang out with her. I
don't want to see her at the barbecue. I don't want to see her at an event, Tony, I don't know, and because guess what, you know she wants to go home. It's like, if you're not trying to make this event fun, I don't want to stand with you here. I also like Titania, but I even curious to hear Nathaniel's thoughts.
Well he thinks it's true. Yeah, I don't really want to be labor the point because there's way too much of negativity when people talk about Oscar stuff into it, because like, because I get toxic too, and this is part of your this is part of your job. I would say, it's to as you have that. I well,
now it's just what bothers me about it is. I really think it's it wants its cake and eating yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's like one the cake goes in one way and out and I was like, what are you doing because it's like domestic abuse is so funny and then it's like no, it's so tragic, and I was like, you need to decide what you're point of view is. See, I never this is an interesting thing. I never once
thought they were trying to make it look funny. I thought they were trying to make it look every day it was to her man, I saw in a theater that did not ever laugh at No, it wasn't a it wasn't a comedy to this audience. And like, I don't know if I think it's this character these categorizations that come in and have to happen, like calling this a comedy and this one drama and this whatever. It's
just like I think that. And even in this interview Tanya Harding did with ABC the other night, she said that when she was watching the movie, she was laughing her ass off. Tanya Harding says specifically about Alison Jenny's performance, She's like, oh my god, it was so real every time, that's what it was. And she kind of just like, that's what it was. That was my mother. She's like
Alison Janny did my mother? That was her? And it was just like this is someone who Then they asked her like, what are your qualms with the movie, and she was like, well, I certainly never cursed at the judges, like those are her problems with it? Like um, but she stands by it, and so I guess I trust her in terms of like it being her account of her own story, Like I don't know, maybe I'm also giving her too much credit. She is like famously a felon. Um.
Well it is called in that way. It is her, you know, you have to take it with a grain of still because it's her vision, right. But I just I think maybe it wouldn't have become so incense with the movie if they weren't trotting her out as this hero or like this folk hero or something. And I was like her friends, and I think maybe she knew it, even though she won't admit it. Violently attacked another woman and we're just going to ignore that because it's fun
to rehabilitate people's images totally. And why did she have Nancy's training schedule written down? Why did she have ever down? We need I Nancy. Absolutely's all three of us cast someone different or we can all agree on this. Wait, hold on, because I don't want to say the wrong person. Oh someone, No one would be good. Michelle Monaghan. Okay, she's old to now I guess um, but I know that because she looks like her. She looks like her.
But what's that kind of like severe sort of like I would say, you know, you know what, you know what has been perfect a young and it stands awful a younger brook Shields. I don't know about that. I don't know about that. I just in terms of resemblance, not because not not because of prisons. Those famous brows and Anti Karagan don't have those brows. They just have. They just have like nice. I don't know. Do you have an interesting take anyway? That's like when they dream
Jennifer hud did in dream Grows. Everyone was like what and then she won an oscar? Maybe Brookshelds would have won an oscar any any idea. I flashed immediately, and I am not pleased with myself, but I flashed immediately to Nally Portman, and I literally they both play the role. It's like a black Swan thing. That's superimposed Nancy karg Amila to me is to Mela to me is two black swan to play Nancy, but Natalie. I get Natalie.
I get Um. And then honestly, I think if if this is like five maybe even maybe five, maybe closer to ten and she's big, I think Amy Adams plays and and wins an Oscar. Sure. I think we need a nine Nancy. We needed we needed nine Nancy, and we can get Amy in a supporting role and she could win. Sure. Um, that's a frustrating case, Amy Adams. Yeah, because she's not going to win Lead Actress at this point.
I don't think she will ever. Well, I mean the Julianne Moore thing, which was a big thing for me, and I had to mention it every day for months after it happened, by the way, ending every article, even unrelated by the way, Julianne Moore is now in Oscar. Yeah, yeah, No, I mean it's huge news because she was only the second woman in her fifties ever to win Best and and and and since when like after since the fifties.
Shirley Booth come back, Little Sheba, come back, Little Sheba. Yeah, I remember you remember you either writing about this, we're talking about this on some other program. Um that and also and then and then what was the what's the historical precedent for a younger a male just like I guess the Best Actor Best Actor winners Adrian Brodie right at nine years old? And when was that? Yes? But then, um,
didn't hear the Chicago One Best Picture? Right? What was there's there's some there's some best actor like record that hasn't been broken since five or something right like that has to do with Timothy And maybe I'm making this up anyway, just in terms of age, In terms of age youngest ever nominated, if he's got it, nominated, got it and he will put him you you you put that lock in. I think, yeah, but he'll he'll be nominated, but he'll be the third youngest ever. And I really
thought I was going to check that box. But then after I saw Get Out, I was like, Danielle, Danielle. For me, it's like, it's so hard to lead a hard movie like especially when like that. It's just there's so much going on. When he started appearing in these awards, I was like, what, it's so weird. No one's ever even talked about him, and then you watch the movie and you're like, man, oh man, that guy's it's real talent. Really the whole cast, which I was really happy they
got an ansom my name, it's a tricky tone. Oh my god, I nail it. Everyone they got they got my vote, Oh my god. And I think that I think everyone knows that. Like I said, I think there's something in get Out to love across the board. And I had a really hard time deciding between get Out and Lady Bird for that ensemble. And I said to myself, you know what, what do you really love about Lady Bird?
The acting or the casting? And I think the cat I think I love the acting, but it was really the casting that made me laugh to you and be like, oh my god, this girl like or like what genius casting. I mean that that girl is that girl and I shouldn't know her name. But the actress who played the like the mean like the queen Bee girl, definitely, yes, yes she is just and I were perfect, she's perfect
for that role. But no, you're right, like get Out just as just like as like an as like an as like a body of actors that's just it almost was like a sport you know what I mean. It was almost like you saw the actors all passing the ball back. Yeah, like it was just so it was art everybody, Catherine, everybody, Katherine, Josh and I think there's yeah, I mean everyone across Daniel. Yeah, I mean you mean Bradley Woods. I was watching the Globes last week. I
my heart sank as the show went on. I was like, get out, it's not winning anything. No, it's not. I wasn't. I don't think it was ever winning the Globes. I don't think the Hollywood Foreign or get get out. I thought it just didn't bode well for its OSCAR chances, which would say it doesn't always correlate. And also it's very American in its appeal and its themes. And I don't know that that's always like that important in terms of weather globes like something, but it does affect them,
you know on some level. You know it has to play into it. Short, there's always got to be something a little extra, I think for the Hollywood Foreign Press, you know what I mean, there's got to be like an extra reason, like whether it's like extra sex appeal or like something's big or something's very stylish or something
like that. You know what I mean. There's just seems like they always like find room, even if it's like a quote unquote like not such a great movie, Like there's always a musical in that musical or comedy category. Like you saw The Greatest Showman get a few nominations. My god, we were talking about I can't Matt famously loved The Greatest show Well, I loved watching it. I didn't love the movie because it was good. I went twice. Yeah, hell yeah you did. When when I was watching this
is I think I cried four different times. Okay, when she's like this is me. This is interesting because do we are we applying the same rubric to The Greatest Showman as we as we are Iconia? And I'm asking you, Nathaniel, because to trot out P. T. Barnum as this like savior figure is ridiculous, right, Like his first thing was to like he he like took this and slave the elephants or no, not even that the elephants tracked you know that how intelligent they are, right he he didn't.
It wasn't it one of his first things? Like he literally took an elderly black woman, and said this was George Washington's slave and she a hundred and eighties something years. Honestly, it sounds like she died and then he's he's he vowed to give her a proper burial, but nope, just burned her through into her pet. You know, Margo insane to be made up. So I'm gonna say it's probably true,
right right, but they're not. He's dead. He is long dead, and they're not gonna give him around of applause at the Golden Yeah. Yeah, he's not going to come in and talks and everybody's like, you're amazing, but harding. I can't wait, just say whatever gown she wears to the Oscars, honey, you know she's going to be presenting Best Cinematography alongside Margot Robbie, and then Margot's gonna be like, I just want to say, this woman next to me, she's an
annoying woman. This is a cockney Australian. You I never said I did accents. Well, I bring personality. I feel like I feel like it's it's it's a biographical movie in the same way that Itania is. And and you guys went twice, but musical went twice. Musical biopics have never ever been about the trip the nine that wasn't accurate. He didn't slay in real life. Kate Hudson didn't. Kate Hudson wasn't like, Oh God, Kate Hudson and nine one
of the most ridiculous fun performances ever. That performance hair, it was it's no and she's like living for herself. It was a fun movie. It was it was made
no sense. This was so funny. So they the whole cast of nine did an interview on Oprah, like when when then we came out and going and you have an oscar and you have any you have an oscar because and then and then she gets to Kate Hudson and she goes maybe this year and he was like m because everyone knew that, like her role as Stephanie in nine, the reporter wasn't the one that was going
to get her an oscar. But that was irresponsible of Oprah to a lot of your responsible behavior from Oh that's like in those trailers when they'd be like Academy Award nominee, Academy Academy, and then I'll be like Golden Presenter. It's so funny. Overdue for well, talk about someone with a lot of the potential in the beginning who just really showed her colors, like Bride Wars, which came on the other day on tv as and I was like, oh, this is a horrendous movie. Who this is? So we're
talking about um so who's over Who's over? Fucking do at this point, like before Julianne Moore like who who? Who? Who is still in that little you know? I have one name and one name only I want to say on Michelle. This has been all documented on our on our shiel. I love Michelle. I mean like, and I know you love Michelle, And this is why I connect with you because literally every time he says he's asking for somebody, I'm like, yes, I am also guting for
that person. Shell fight for just one of the best. Yeah, and please every time I say favorite, please know I'm saying it with a PF. Yes. So would you nominate her for mother? Yes? Wow, she would be in my five this year. That was a little maybe even maybe he won't even be able to resist and give her the gold, give her the gold, give her the yellow. As man who is the front runner for best of
All actress. I guess it's either Allison Janny or Mislauri, who are both great, who are both wonderful and I think would make deserving winners. I went with Allison, but literally it was the hardest one. It was the hardest one to before. But I voted for Allison because I felt like it was a character and I felt like that like that it needed a little bit more invention than I thought Lorie did, though I really respect the
relationship they were able to. Yeah, and it's like what you're saying with Allison, um and get out, It's like the movie doesn't really work without Laurie's performance, and well, yeah, I guess the thing is like at that point, I really because they were both so good. I just did pick the actress I liked better and wanted to see when, and that was Alison Janny. I think she's well, sometimes you have to toss the coin sometimes, Yeah, are is
that what you're dealing with in this category or now? No? I have a favorite, okay, but I usually have like ties for the fifth spot, and then I have all this agony that I put myself through to like decide who was the nominee and who's not sure, So what say you regarding Tiffany Hattish and the Oscars. I hope she's nominated me too. I laughed so fucking hard in the movie theater. It was one of my favorite movie
going experiences of the year. Like I went in the Upper West Side and there were the theater was packed. They're all these women of call It and all these gay many of course, and it was so fun. Everybody was like dancing practically in the seat. Yea, honestly it did. It did feel as fun as when I saw ye sure, it felt that fun. I don't know if it was
that actually funny, but it felt like that vibe. It was like you were just like, I mean, there's there's some sort of transportative thing about like Tiffany Hannish peeing from like a zip line, and you're just like, oh my god, I can't believe this has happened. Like I felt like I was in some way like there, and I was like, you know what I always say, and I think you agree with this, and I think this
might resonate with you two. It's like when you're talking about giving a performance an oscar, I think that it should be really hard to imagine someone else doing it, you know what I mean that should be The rubric is like, like this performance. Are they just doing their job and acting it well, which is what they're supposed to do. Or is this something that's really special probably
couldn't have been done like this by someone else. Is it a special movie going experience because of the combination of this role and miss performer and Tiffany just just sort of operated on a on a different level than anyone else. And that movie, I was with her, Like the line reading a booty hole, I couldn't from from then on in the movie. I was like with her, Yeah, that's so funny. She she became a star when she
said it's a booty hole. And I remember I saw the trailer for the movie and I literally talk to my friend and I'm like, the line in the script was it's a booty hole. But she made it funny. She made it funny, Like no, like that's crazy, I just think, and everyone's saying, you know, it's not gonna happen. She's not showed up for any precursors, etcetera, etcetera. She won that first big award Los Angeles Film Critics, right, she did when l A. It was in New York,
it was it was New York. It was New York. She won New York and then everyone thought, oh my god, here we go. We're getting a Tiffany Hattish Oscar season. And then Globes didn't happen. Globes didn't happen. Sag didn't happen now, But I think that's because they voted her early, and I don't know. I just think there's more I think there's more possibility then we think. I think it would be a much better nomination than Octavia Spencer, like it's so boring. Sure, um, I mean Octavia. I mean
we love Octavia. I love Octavia as a person as an actress, yes, but when they don't give you anything, it's like that b DE nomination. It's like, really, well, I do want to say this about Octavia because she's so when she got the standing Ovation when she won the Oscar, which at first I was like, why is she getting a standing ovation because she's loved a fairly new actor. But I've met her a few times since and I've heard a lot of stories. She is like
the nicest person. And I had written this little thing about my theory is she's the Therma Ritterer of this green and because she she brings all this great earthiness to every part and it just adds the right texture to two movies. Yea um, and you know she I was interviewing her for Shape of Water and I mentioned I have this theory about you, and she knew she had read it. She was like, I am so flattered
by that. And she went on about being so flattered and Thoma Ritter and we talked about Hollywood history and how she and Viola Davis were changing the game. Yeah. Absolutely. I mean, look, I think this would be her third Oscar nomination, which is a lot. And I just think
she's been nominated twice, like pretty rightfully. And and I don't know if we need this other nomination when there's other women in the conversation who could potentially have game changing nominations and it just might be a little bit more exciting and deserved based on the material they were given. I hope she's already a record holder, the first black
actress to be nominated after winning. Wow. I didn't realize that, I said I had to do with I mean, this sounds pretty I thought I had to do with the Age and Race, and but no, that's the first one after winning to actually be nominated after having already claimed, because you know, Jennifer Hudson missed it for Secret Life of Bees. Who knows? Maybe well, um, I do hope that someone gives throws her a bone and gives her a role that is not a period maybe. Well, she
was in Food Vale Station. You see Food La Hurt You was great food. But I'm but I'm just saying, like, it's just it feels like it's her thing. And even I think she even sort of bemoans that an interview. She's like, well, I keep getting these roles of you know, these like these motherly black women in period films, and I was like, oh, yeah, like she deserves so much better than that. Definitely, I think that it'll be interesting
to see how it keeps playing out. I'm just excited that she keeps getting to work because so many times we see it happen. Yeah, they feel like, especially in that supporting actress category, it's so bizarre what happens to so many of those women. It's just like they have this moment and then they kind of just don't work. It's so strange. It disappears. Like you hear about why now with like Miras Orvino, which is so sad. But um, you know, speaking of the Weinstein thing, which is very
much the reason for that. I think that's another reason why we could see the whole show change. I'm very interested to see how they address it. It's no secret that he owned that show, you know what I mean. Like that's why I think, Um, especially with Moonlight last year, I think we're going to see a lot of cool winds. I really do. I'm hoping for it, and I can't wait for Nathaniel's book on this year. There will be
a book. There will be a book. Oh do you want to say really quickly, Octavia, do you know that Octavia Spencer and Melissa McCarthy were like best friends, Like they're like they've like they were on which which late
night show were they on together? I think it was it was Jimmy kim Was when it was when Wissen was guest hosting Kim All And they were talking about how like years and years and years ago they like they did like a little bit parts on like sketch on like Weird Owl's show and stuff, and it's like so it's cool. It's just like it is cool. Wow,
Like they're you know, like, what a cool trajectory. Well, it's interesting because it's interesting now to kind of be fully in the industry, you know what I mean, like making your way in and then your friends, Like we're also friends with Rachel Bloom, so now we know to Rachel Bees who have won Best Actress Comedy. Not too far apart. So I'm putting it in the atmosphere on this podcast, Rachel brows the hand. Come do our show. We will lay out the carpet. Listen, Let's let's talk
about this. Who are the rising stars that you think we should be looking at? Because you also every year you kind of point out some people that have broken through without giving anything away, but actually exactly giving it away. Um, tell us, like, who are your breakouts this year? Oh god, you know it's it's on this spot question. It's not really And I would normally like have so many to but well Timothy, well yeah, he's the he's the obvious one.
And I will say I started a big project where I'm you know, I always talk about actresses, so I thought I'm gonna throw a curveball, Okay, and I'm gonna do a list of a hundred actors under thirty Oh my god that people should pay attention to. Wow. And I've already started crafting the list. Okay, is it called Spotlight on Men? But it was interesting because I started at like ages ago because there's a lot of work and I had like Timothy end there before the movie
came out and stuff. Now I wish I had started really earlier and like really been on top of it. Listen, there's gonna be some others. There's gonna be other people to be ahead of the curve on, to be prescient about. But um, when when can we expect this? Well, it'll have to wait till after the Oscar Big Did you
watch Homeland? Yes, because he was on Homeland. He played like the nice I think he played the vice president's kid or something, and then you know in the show he ends up getting fucking incinerated because that show like to throw curveballs with its big terrorist moments. Um. But yeah, he uh, he was on that show, and he was on that show and he kind of broke out as like an actor to watch. And then there was what's his face from the movie Brooklyn, the lead actor of
Brooklyn was Emery Cohen. He was on Smash, which did you watch Smash? He was horrible Smash like bad, like and when I found out that he was an actor, everyone was talking about him like the fucking waste from Smash. And then you watch Brooklyn and you're like, wow, he's great. I don't know, maybe it was just Smash. Well there's it's almost like there's like a perfect role for everyone, and you edges an actor, your job is to just
find out so that you can have a career. Oh my god, like Jennifer Lawrence honestly sure struck old, but also Jennifer Lawrence, I feel like she kind of found her niche like three different times, Like she like really hit her dramatic moment in Winter's Going. Everyone's like, that's who she is. And then like when she was in like Hunger Games, being like a teen sort of icon, they're like, Oh, that's who she is, a big movie star. And then also it's like weird kind of comedy character
actress things she does and that's who she is. Yeah, exactly, Like so to see the American Hustle performance and the Winter's Bone performance, and of course her like big Hunger Games and her of course Oscar winning romantic comedy role in Silver Linings. Like it's like, she actually is pretty versatile. But also try to imagine her doing a British accent please now I won't. It's like people were like, who's the next Meryl? Everyone was like, jay La, it's Jennifer,
Jennifer Lawrence. And I was like, literally, try to imagine her doing a British accent. But then here she is in this new movie doing a Russian accent. I think we know what's Sarsha because her American accent is Also, you can always tell who is actually talented when they slay SNL. Yes, and she was very good. She was very good. This is actually a rule of culture number number forty one, which I'll say it and then we'll say it together. When they're scared to host SNL, it's
a red flag. When they're scared to host, it's a red flag. You know who's great at it? Natalie Apartment great host, great Also scarlettre Hanson always a great host. You know who's never hosted Saturday Live? This actually floored me when I realized this. Sandra Bullock, Oh never hosted SNL. You think she'd be all over that. Yeah, he thinks she would be a slam dunk. Yeah. Thoughts on Sandra I enjoy her and limited capacity once a year, and a romantic thoughts on her Oscar winning turn in The
blind Side. Well, I really wanted to be Gabby instead of But that was my vote too, because Tilda Swinton was not nominated that year for Julia, which I knew wasn't gonna happen at a very obscure small movie. You are a Tilda gay Michael Clayton. That got me. But I don't think I was a Tilda fan before that. I think I knew her from like the Narnia movie, right, And then my, you've seen Michael Clayton. I've never seen
my poet. Michael Clayton is really good. You know. I came when I watched her in Rockovic the other week. Came up in the and like you will you might also like? And I was like, really you might also like? But I'm just what an interesting til in that movie?
You're gonna love movie because she's so like, like there's a scene that your entering the meeting of her character is her giving this speech to like the board but then there's flashbacks while while you're hearing it to her, like ironing her clothes and like really like obsessively putting herself together, and like it's just such a good it's a it's a performance that the director loves. That's great,
you know what I mean? Yeah? Um, I do want to ask Nathaniel sort of a modified versions of our of our of the question of the show right right right, which is usually what is the culture that made you think culture was for you? But I if you can drill down into this, if like, what was the moment or thing that makes you like just become just so so obsessed with awards or just with film, no, just with them, not even awards, Like what was the thing for you just like either growing up or even in
your adult life that made you that. I mean, my answer for this is the same as it would be for the regular question without the awards, because it all came through that. I will say, this is dating myself. I'm I'm an old people listening, we can confirm kidding. So when I saw the first time I ever, like, I didn't know anything about the Oscars. My family was not into movies, and I was actually banned at the
dinner table from talking about movies. My father would not let me talk about movies because you wouldn't stop, because I wouldn't stop once I started. So it made this rule when I was a little kid. He was like, you cannot talk about movies. What movies were you talking about as a kid. I don't even know, like probably I'm Disney. So but I saw this TV guide with like Oscar on the cover and Et and Gandhi and all these things, and I'm like, what's this shiny man?
So it was night two and I first noticed the Oscar statue and I was like, what's this about? And I had seen it of course, of course, um, and then I made my parents gave me to Gandhi because I saw it on the cover of this thing, because you had to be completest. Yeah, even at that, as soon as I saw the statue, it was like this horrible, this shiny figure I must have. It's like when you think about that Et and Gandhi, we're being looked at like which one, which one? Which one? I'll put it.
But it was literally just the image of the statue that like well, yeah, and with those five because they had the five best pictures or whatever. And I didn't. I don't. I don't think I watched the Oscars that year. I was like young, but I was just like, what is the sure because I remember a specific a couple of things from three like or I guess nineteen four the following year's Oscars. But that's a big peppie of mine.
By the way, you need to call it by the year of the movie, some question, not by the year the Oscars. People come on, that's amateur It's very much amateur hour. Um, I think for us because Matt and I will always say that, like just Titanic dress when it just blew, like just that that was just like an amazing ceremony ride when she didn't win Best Actress because I didn't understand that she absolutely shouldn't, you know what I mean? Like, well, because who want that year
I should have Allen Hunt? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I can't. You can't with Helen Hunt. I can't with that year's Best Actress, right, But anyway to should have been Helen a bottom carter for ing. Honestly, there's no better performance in the world than go into Greencots and Wizarding World and seeing how in the bottom Carter pop out of the wall and try to kill you. I will say that, how what's the giver? What's the theme park Oscar for that?
You ever something for that? Because let me tell you something. She gets up in your grill, honey and with a your hair like that. You don't want to see that. No, no, no, it's so so scary. You know who's even better than Helen Hunt. Also that you're not nominated Julia Sucking Roberts for My Friend's Weather. To me, it's like Julia Roberts and it's it's it's so weird that her only nomination for being in romantic comedy was Pretty Woman, because it's
like she improved on that several times. Nothing hill even that's scene in the stadium when she goes by and she's like, I got moved. You've never seen iconic it's amazing, or even at the gazebo. I'm sorry, but I have to read her for filth. Shonda rhymes stolen, pick me, choose me, love me from that movie. It's stolen, it's lifted. It's lifted from from from that scene marry me, marry me,
let me make you happy. That sounds like two questions and even just going into the bathroom to chase down Cameron. You know what I mean in exchange, Oh my god, just the way that Julia roberts, here's the information from whatever? That like, who's chasing you? No one, She's like in her face, she's just like realizes how crazy she is and like that. He's right. And also this started one of my biggest pet peeves. Rouper Everett was not nominated for that movie. They don't respect the gays when the
gays play Gaze, No, they don't thank you. And instead we're gonna back after Army Hammer. Yeah, exactly. And also what do you think of calling about your name? I like it, yeah, but I I wish gay actress would get to play Do you think that Armie Hammer is miscast in that movie? Are you of that thought or are you liking him in the movie? I'm sort of in between. I mean, he's not the draw of the movie.
For me. It's aim. I will say this, if someone else did that role that was a little bit better cast for it, I think we'd be a lot more excited. Not that I have a problem with Armie Hammer himself. I just think he looks too old to I don't know. I think I think the age difference in that movie just to me, it wasn't it doesn't doesn't difference to me.
It was just like the chemistry, yeah, and just the aloofness of that character, the way that it's he's written in the book, and not that it's gospel to stick to the book at all. But as I've said on this show, the movie is not is is good film, but not good adaptation. That's that's that's that's I guess that you have to decide which doesn't ye which I was gonna say, doesn't super count for anything at all,
But I don't know. I just it's interesting sometimes to use you read the book first, right, read the book, and you know my story about this, it's coming home from things, coming back to New York from Thanksgiving. Finished the book on the plane, like within seconds of us touching down, and I was like, I have to go see this tonight. I have to because I was so moved by the book, and I was like, I have
to go. And of course it wasn't going to live up to the book and like you know, the emotional sort of contours of the book, and so I just went to the theater and I was like, this was bad. What a bad film? And it just ruined the whole thing for me. You didn't like it? You're a part of the Whispered network. HPJ is raising his hand on this podcast. But I have a question for it. Do you want to come on the Mica, come over here and join. I'm sorry, no, Now, what's going on? So
I'm sorry, Nathaniel. What's the greatest Oscar snub of all time? Oh? This is good. I want to get into these general questions. Yes, forget calling bout your name. We've had this fucking conversation. You mean, winning or not nominated or not nominated? You must have a stock answer for this. Maybe you don't, but I mind I have. I do have stock answers for this, and I'm going blank my biggest I want to I do want to say, and I know I'm
always like beating a dead horse. Please the worst snob ever for me for the win Michelle Fiver and fabulous Baker Boys. Yeah for sure, for sure, And that was who won that year, Jessica Tandy and driving his stay fucking Cares. I could be snarky in the back of
a car. I really can, because when the answer I had originally prepared for the what made you know culture was for for you was Michelle f I f around the piano top and seared into my brain to such an extent that I could not stop thinking about movies from then on. Basically, yeah, I mean that's an iconic image. Um yeah, I mean the fact that she doesn't have like something, it's so strange. She won everything leading up to you. It's so bizarre interesting they didn't they didn't
have as many awards back then. Sure, but she won all the major film critics awards like the Golden Globe, everything, you know, they just she was just on Jessica. She was on the red carpet with that David Kelly, and they were like, what are we going to get her apart and and and big little Lies, And she was just like, I mean, I'm so much better than all she is. She is talking about someone who is just
like Hollywood. A like just when they cut to her when big Little Eyes, she was just she was like cool. She was like, I have a story that I must share about like Hollywood. And even going back to Tanya Harding and Nancy Carrigan and Michelle Feiffer Okay. I was invited to the premiere of the Story of Us. Now you have to go way back in the time, and she has like nine and so I get there and they had had some sort of mix up, so it was like, are you going to get into the theater
or not? But they had This was the Zig Field, which is now closed sad. I didn't know that, so um, and it was like the best place for premieres in New York because they actually had room to have like the limos pull up and all that stuff. They could roll it out so that all the stars were showing up, like Bruce Willis and Michelle Favor and all those people. And every single time, so I ended up plastered against
the window of the theater because it's huge. It used to be the huge windows you could see all the stars when the red carpet stuff, and every single block. Women that came in, these sucking bitches standing around me were like and I would be like, how how did I How did I miss her? When I'm like her biggest fan, And this one woman was like, I'm like, that is Axana by you? How are you going to confuse by you? That's real number. That is Michelle how dare I had to home she was a miniaturized half
version of Michelle Phifer at best. Any blonde that walked in, they would show it's Michelle Fifer. That that's that's abusive, that's racist. Yeah, as a person of color, I can say with authority that's racist. Yeah, that is racist. Oh my god, well wait, hold on, does this make you mad? Crash winning Oscar for Best Picture. That was actually one
of my more famous moments as a pundant. Yes, you got a lot of people on the online talking about how enraged I was, and somebody, somebody even called me a self loading homosexual. Oh my god, because I was so upset and why is he taking it so personally? Know, you would be self loading homosexual for rooting for Crash over broke back, you fucking idea? That was what a
dumb thing for them to say. Honestly, that was that was truly stupid, and that I think that made me say, Okay, I'm not putting as much stock in this anymore, Like it's not the illusion was broken. I guess it was the first time I realized the world isn't fair. I broke back, lost, might do good things happen? To bad movies. Um, that's a good question. Yeah, that's a really good question. That's just that's that might even be the title of
this episode. Do good things happened to bad movies? Um? Well, I will say I definitely hope we're not in for a boring Oscar year. I really don't want I don't want to see um three billboards when I mean, I think I think it's for the post You think that would be boring, I mean it would, And I actually think that's why it's having such a roller coaster thing because it's like state school. It's like previously what would
have been like right right, right, right right? The big thing it's it's yeah, it's part of this referendum that you know, it's it's like old versus new. It's like do you want to do you want to vote for something that stands for the way things used to work. I do think that The post Um is a nice movie because it's about the press, and you know, it's about like the press speaking truth to power and that's kind of cool. But yeah, I mean they said it all and that joke with Amy that the Golden Clothes
I felt was hilarious. When Seth Marris was like, it's a drama directed by Steven Schilburg and Starry Tom Hanks and Meryl Streep and the girl comes out with the armful of Yeah, it's funny to me, I thought. I was like, oh, of course it's going to win everything,
and then it didn't. Also, just as a movie, um, just that last that third act made no sense where it was like Tom Hankster's up to Meryll's house and it was like we might go to prison, and then cut to like the Supreme Court rolling everything, like the stakes were immediately dropped. That's like, what have a great showman? When they were like, oh no, everything burned down and we lost all the money. Wait, hold on, we can still do it, and then they literally just did it.
I was like what, Yeah, it's like Efron was almost dead, they lost all the money, ship burned down. Wait hold on, actually dot dot dot and all of a sudden there's a none of this matters spoiler alert alert for everyone gets waited this varnesty greatest Showman who was planning on
seeing it next week. I guess, um, I would be gagged if this is me one an oscar and we got to see do you think she'll sing it with the beard on the oscars or do you think Kesh would come in and know if they get cash to sing that song, that would be a slap in the face to Kiolla. It needs miss Kialla Settle. It's actually rule number fifty three of culture Settle. I butchered the name a little bits, okay um. I don't think she listens.
I don't think she's thinking about it. Sure, she's too busy refreshing the hits on that one viral video she has now, uh the rehearsal of the Greatest Showman? Have
you seen that? There's a point where she's singing it and she goes over and Hugh Jackman's they're like watching her and she to break down in the bridge when she's like I've heard about and she goes over and like grabs his hand and she's like looking at Hugh like they've been friends their whole fucking life, and she's like connecting with him and he's like, yes, honey, like give it all. You got cameras. The cameras are there,
cameras are there. He was feeling that he got up dancing. Also, did you see the clip of so he had like I guess like a skin cancer removed from his face, so he couldn't sing that day. So they brought in Jeremy Jordan to do all of his parts, and he's singing the song, um from now on. That was my best shoot Jacumen impression. That was pretty good, not bad, um,
thank you. But so Jeremy starts to sing the song and he was like standing beside him because they said he could you just like stand up and act it with your face because the buyers are here, like let's sell the movie. He's like sitting there and he's listening to the song and he just like is crying a
single tire. And then he just starts singing, like against the wishes of his doctor, because he was supposed to be there and like not sing but then he just starts singing it from this place of like passion that you wish you possessed, Like Hugh Jackman just buys into this bullshit so much. He's singing this song, honey, he is belting. He and all the cast is like, oh my god, except Jeremy Jordan is stond They're like, am I'm not doing this now? Like my check the same,
like what's what's good with this? You know what, that's a lot of storytelling in one video. It was. It was crazy. Also, that's why I like the movie. It's too much when during this is me also rewrite the Stars that number I got my life? And also I thought zac eFront was maybe one of the best things about the movie and the greatest seen in acting this year is when zac Efron goes, you brought joy into my life. Okay, all right, it's better than anything you've
ever done. You've ever done, You've ever done, and I've ever done, and anyone that listens to this, you haven't done anything as good as Zach Effron. And rewrite and we write the Stars and Greatest Showman. Okay, let's move on to let's move on to I don't think so, honey, um, I think are we gonna Are we gonna make this and give this ecentric? I don't think so, because I definitely have one great Okay, cool, I've got one. But do you want to I went first last week? You
want to go first? This time? I could go first. Okay, So this is one minute to rail against something in culture, for this one, for this installment, something in cinema. Maybe this year, maybe at large or just you know, without what I have topical topic, topical topics. So this is topical fish I'm thinking of. By the way, RuPaul's Gregory is All Stars come back real soon. And guess what, guys, we're going to be recapping it for Vulture, were recapping
for Vulture jointly. It'll be very fun that in America's Next Time Model. Um so read up on Vulture. Great. So this is Matt Rodgers is I don't think so, honey, His time starts now. I don't think so, honey. Not Mark Wahlberg, but anyone who puts Mark Wahlberg in a movie. Here's the deal. You have never ever ever seen Mark Wallberg give a truthful piece of acting in his life.
He's always Mark Wahlberg trying really hard and try as hard as he might, He's never going to give you the realness an Oscar nomination for The Departed, like yeah for like standing there and saying the lines no, thank you, honey, I don't think so, honey. Also, he is good in Boogie Nights by Accident, just like January Jones and Madman by Accident. I'm sorry all credit, and he is exempt from this I don't think so, honey, because of course you want to cast Mark Wahlberg as a porn star.
That works for me. Mark Wahlberg is all up in all the Money in the world, which is kind of an ironic title. And also I just want to say he can't possibly um be saving this movie from himself. First of all, Ridley Scott, I would have like a little bit of sympathy for you had you like cast another actor, but you show that you don't care about your movie when you put Mark Wahlbrick in. It is a money thing, and I don't trust anyone that's jumps
onto the Transformers franchise in the fourth film. I don't think so, honey, anyone. And that's one minute. Oh my goodness. Sorry, but like to pretend he's a good actor is insane, Like he's never done anything worth it on screen really except look like Mark Wahlburg, which you know what says a lot. And he also has disowned The Boogie Nights, which is its only claim to its insanee. Also, I'm sorry, but he said he could stop nine eleven and he
blinded a fucking Vietnamese man. Look, there's so much with Mark Wahlbrick. It's so funny that only now people are like, actually fucked this guy. No, actually fucked this guy for producing Entourage. Actually fucked this guy for producing anything like any anything else where. I'm sorry, but it's a group of men and the joke is, oh, there's Come on the floor over there, like I'm so over these bro series. I love this that that's the catch all sort of images.
There's come on the floor. Yeah, it's like that movie with what's his face? Miles Teller who I can't stand and Zach Gefan and Michael B. Jordan's like that movie where they were all like three dudes. Who fuck? That was like it you know what I mean. It's like these movies where it's like, oh, dude, my boner won't go down. It's like, I don't want to see this ship and literally who is the man that produces all that kind of garbage? Mark wa So like, directors of Hollywood,
stop buying into it. Just don't give him the fucking check. It's insane that we'n't even putting Goddess Michelle Williams on the same keel as like Mark Wahlberg. It doesn't make any sense. I mean no, okay, and and this is this is the longest you've gone to like extrapolate beyond your minute. Well, because I did. I did what I did last week too, which is I started by I don't think so honey as one thing, and then I realized it was about another. I should have just said
I don't think so honey. Mark Wahlberg, that's really my problem, I think because if he didn't exist, then directors wouldn't be putting him in movies, and therefore I wouldn't have a problem with them. He made him the object and not the subject. You right, I have to more be more active and was passive. There you go, Okay, all right, okay, I think I'm ready. Mrs Bowen Yang's I don't think so honey, and his time starts right now. I don't
think so honey. Alexander Payne for saying that Hong Chow is Vietnamese for scene stealer, What the fuck take those kinds of racist jokes when you were married to Sandra, Oh, new piece of shit. I refuse to see downsize. Even if I had the screener in front of me, I would chuck that at the fucking window, or I would give it to I would give it to some street salesman in Chinatown and see and say, you know what,
I hope you make twenty dollars off of this, sir. Look, Alexander Payne has put all of us through so much. I never want to see. I never want to talk about Sideways and never want to think about it again. I never want to think about the Descendants again. I never want to think about his stupid sis head older men centric of films ever. Again, I don't think so, honey, Alexander Paine. Seconds. Don't you make a mockery of Hon Chow's name when she's the only redeeming thing about your film?
How do I know that? Without without seeing the film? Matt saw it exact How we know so? I don't think so, honey, Alexander pain disgusting piece of ship director who will not amount to anything after this huge stain on your filmography and your conscience. And that's one minute seconds. Listen, Downsizing is interesting for the first hour and then becomes fully insane. Did you agree? Yeah? Well, and but Ngo
is amazing that she is incredible. I'm not that's but but I we can confirm that Hung Chow is not Vietnamese first scene stealer. Like I get that it's a compliment, but like, just call her a scene stealer. Just say God, say it was great. Yeah, that's that's all it takes. I don't know. I don't how about if you're making a movie like that that you're willing to change in every act because it becomes a different movie. And how about realized it should be all about her because she's
the interesting parton and then changed the movie? Truly insane to pretend that Kristin Wig is in it right, Like, she is not in it. She's not in it. She took a weekend off and did that movie. And also, I'll tell you what when that movie fully lost itself was that zany music it was playing when when during the reveal that she didn't go through with it, they like boop doop doop doop doop. That's like happening while he's like on the phone with Christen Wig finding out
that she didn't do it. It's like, yeah, this movie totally is a fucking garbage heep. I think it's important to say that Nathaniel just basically script doctor to that movie in two sentences there you go. So that would be another side line of work for me, which is so if anybody needs a script doctor, honestly, listen, this is someone who knows this stuff. One very good one passed away last year, so we need another one who's that. Ms carry Fisher famously script script doctor and no one
really knows that. Yeah, and famously wrote lots of novels which a lot of I think a lot of people haven't read, but are amazing. Yeah. She was in my list of like culture things her book Big Surrender the Pink, which was after Postcards from the Edge, even better than Postcards from Wow, they should make that into a film, then they should Surrender the Pink. I haven't seen Postcards from the Edge. I should see that. Have you seen
Thelma and Louise Famous? This is one of our Oh my god, this is one of the big things we have to do and watch that. I've never seen it. That's my favorite movie ever. I think it's the best. It's a really Scott film, which makes me say, really, I know you're better than this. And I'm someone that even like Prometheus, I didn't hate. Did he direct the latest the latest movie at the Covenant movie? No he didn't do that one. He didn't do that one. He
did Prometheus, which I liked. He's very hit and miss. He's super hit and miss, but when he hits, I think he's like among the best. But also he's working with like a fucking historically good script on Delman and Louise, and it's really kind of co directed by by Susan and Gena. I think you think so. I think you know that Palm Door Winner a few years back. Blue is the warmest color. How they the jury decided that the actresses should also have the wow the director and
both addresses that should have been thumb on Louise. I think I think I might agree for the oscars. So would you call yourself a Susan strand an apologist? Not after the election? I can only take it so far, yea, God, Dolman and Louise only takes you so far exactly. I would say I'd be interested in smoking and getting very high with Shusans random because she looks like a lot of fun. It looks like someone who definitely knows her
way around marijuana, and that's it. Like, and then I probably would be like, oh, that was like really strange, because like she would say some crazy shit like Bernie, uh could like solve cancer or something could solve cancer. We thought we had friends who've worked with her who have had nothing but nice things to say. All right, Nathaniel, this is this is big. Are you ready not to put pressure on you? This is going to be sure.
I'm ready. I didn't prepare anything. Awards. Yeah, but yeah, but you know what you know, and this is a top of mind for you. You know, it's like it'll you know, it's there, It's all there. You just have to skim and don't feel free to not go as fast as we went, because we famously speak faster than we can think, and we can't think very fast, whereas
I think you have an incredibly fast mind. Yes, and maybe just maybe just just you know, speaking more once and and Nathaniel's sharpness will will take him all the way here. Absolutely we're getting we're getting pre color commentary. But can I break the rules and not making about awards you this is drag. This is drag. Okay, there are no rules. Okay, this is a Nathaniel. Okay, we're about to kick this off. This is a Nathaniel. Nathaniel Rodgers is I don't think so, honey. His time starts now,
I don't think so honey. It is January, and every January I have to start the year hearing Frank Sinatra's New York, New York. Oh and it was written for fucking Liza Manella, Yes, and it should be Liza minell A. Frank Sinatra is always stealing from the man Eli's because they also call him. I know he's dead, but I don't care, because the world's greatest entertainer that none of this heteronormative bullshit that is Judy Garland. So now he's starts.
He stole that title posthumously but still stolen, still stolen on the less and that's Judy's. And then it takes New York, New York signature song from lizam l A and it bugs me. Every January is when I get worked up about it. So I just wanted to share it with I don't think so, honey. And that's one minute, you know what, and also an education because I truly you would never even know Liza was the was the was the one because it is constantly associated and wrongfully
accredited to Frank. Wow. Wow, that's the first thing we hear every year and that's why the world sucks. That and it's and it's and it's every year you realize the world sucks because Frank sings it and it's not his. It's like when when the ball drops and you have this euphoric feeling of a new year, but something is wrong. It's because of what's playing that's right. And it's like, you guys know the filmmaker Boostlo Bruce. Okay, he's a gay in d filmmaker, love him. Um So he has
this movie called Radsbury Reich. And one of the things that the activists are always saying is heterosexualities that OPI out of the masses. And that is why it's always Frank Sinatra's voice instead of lives. Oh my god, that's I believe. Okay. I have a question, is did Judy Garland biopic with Anne Hathaway still happening. Oh that's another thing I was going to bring up in this whole Yeah, is I was at a party for Lame Miss and I was super super six. I didn't want to breathe
on Anne Hathaway because I worship her. Yeah, you like, and but I don't. We do not need any more Judy Garland biopics. That's right, we have about Judy Davis. Um, we have had plenty, but Anne Hathaway should be starting at elizaman Ali biopic. And so I said, so I said this at my table that I was sitting at this lay miss thing. And Robert Wool is that the kind of art lists? Right? He's at my table and he gets up and goes to Anne Hathaway and tells her that he took credit from my idea. Oh my god.
Robert comes back to the table and say, oh, I told her, I told her that thing about life. I don't think so, honey, Roberto, Robert will Well too bad. We have to search for that fucking credit. Arlists. Sandra has moved on from that. Why don't you Robert? My favorite joke ever in thirty Rock. This is a lie. It's a joke from the direct but I like and Jack Donicky's like, what am I going to do? Listen to some Cable Ace Award winner and Jane Krikhowsky goes,
I was great in that art lists. That's good. That's really good. So good. An should be in an Eliza biopaque anyway, Um, this has been so great. I want to say that I was literally scrolling through your website like I do every single day, and I saw that you had posted my web sceries called Power Couple that I did with Studie Green and Bone was in the episode as well, and I had a literal heart attack because I don't expect anyone's taste more than yours. I
think that I think this website is so good. I just it gives me so much joy every day. It's literally I go to Facebook, I go to Gmail, I go to you, and I go to this website called screamscape dot com about theme parks. Sure interesting, are you a theme park? Gay? Um? I have been to the Disney Kay Days twice. Wonderful. That's about But that's about well. Listen, listen, this is you. You figure very prominently into Matt's life
to my life now. It's wonderful. So thank you so much, and we can't wait for the Film Bitch Awards, yes, coming soon, very soon, and for your top ten? Now? Do you try to do the Film Awards before everything happened? Everything hits? I try to do them before the Oscar nominations because I don't because the years I've done them after on accident. People have been like, oh, you're just you're just trying to be a contrarian. Clocks ticket it's in. It's very like to be a contrarian. Oh, I would say,
we all do. It's which is the next person? Um, I can't wait for the film Thatch Awards, can't wait for the for the Top ten. I just want to say again, it's the film Experience dot net and you know what, light I don't think so honey to square Space because Natanie was telling me, can can we say this on the air. Squarespace has categorized at the film Experience dot net as a legacy site in terms of the just the layout and the design, you know, the
designs whatever the layout. Um, and they're not giving him the support that he needs that he and his staff of writers need. So everybody should be donating to the site then, And he didn't ask space on squares space and say, you know what, you make it very easy to make a site, but you don't make it easy to love you. Um. I want to say that Bowen and I along beside Dave Mazzoni, are going to be
in Chicago this weekend. We're gonna be doing our our show game show that Dave and I host, and Bone is going to be the wise queer on that show. I can't wait. And I will also be performing at Paper Machete at the Green Mill on Saturday of the I'm so excited. My favorite, my favorite joys I've ever done. So come out, Chicago, We're coming out. It's going to be very cold time, is it? Yeah? Where will we go after Scarlett le Berlin? What's the good one? Scarlett?
We gotta do so we're gonna go to Scarlett, but leave us alone, no, check us out? Um? I think we're at nine pm on Friday, the Saturday as part of the Chicago Sketch Comedy Festival. We're very excited, so thank you so much, Nathaniel. This is so fun to have you. Um. Okay, we always end with a song. Here we go. Dude, dude, dude, due. We are peaking so hard by This has been a Forever Dog production executive produced by Brett Bohum, Joe Silio, and Alex Ramsey.
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