"Agatha Christie White Mystery" (w/ Fran Tirado)

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So your roots are I think that when I can actually start to see them poking out now and in a tasteful way, in a tasteful way, and I have to say, you know, I actually think that they are going to enhance the look we'll see about that. I just think my hair is too short in order for the roots to be like, you know, to hit a nice golden ratio. Ever, like I think this is this is the one time it'll look good housekeeping, Speaking of which,

I have owned my own ee lits. You have your own e lit My own is across the room from me right now, and it is the four wick Zen. When it's gigantic, it is the size of like a baby. It's a big baby. And can I tell you I ordered too, and the way I had to sort of like get my workout in carrying them down the hall because I ordered one for me personal and then one for Studie Green personal as well personal. You know, I

had a moment today. I don't know why. I I don't know why this came over me, but I thought, I need to reconnect with n Len. I need to consume Wendy Cepo interviews. And I did, and you did. I just watched like her on you know, Wendy with um was it Michael Rapport? Oh yeah, I mean that the iconic interview. But like I am, I a Nicky fan. Pull up on the Sri Lanka? What she really pulled up on this Reri Lanka for that, and I can't

believe that happened and we didn't even bring it up. Well, we had so much to talk about with her, and I think she was she was still when we talked to her. I think she was still figuring out how she was going to respond and react to the memification of that moment, because when you get memified, that's really a moment we have to take stock. Well, it's personal and you and it's fully your decision as the subject. Ever mean to go, how do I want to show

the world? How do I do this? I know? Cake parts? Um, so what about you? What about you? Queen girl? Whatever? I mean? What's going on? I I'm sort of like hashtag back in the gym, hashtag sleeping full nights, hashtag skincare trying to get it all together so I can go shoot a television program. This is very exciting. Think about that. That's really all that's going on. I'm sort of like I Actually, I have to say, sometimes being boring is my favorite thing to be. Okay, did Gogain?

I went. I went out a couple of times, but called it relatively early. These days, I'm sort of just sleeping a lot, taking care of myself, working out, trying to bring it back to me. Okay, back to me, back to me, back to me, back to me. We're ferencing the icon Lindsay lohand song back to me. I'm kind of sounding like her. You absolutely, yes, I'm not. I'm laughing because it is not easy to do to do a Lindsay impression when she's singing back to me,

so good, so good. One of the great vocalists, I think, Jennifer Hudson, Kelly Lohan, Jojo Jojo see sorry, the Mount Rushmore of vocalist hunt. It's actually something we are going to implore the readers. Send in your drawings of the Mount rud Roaring singing, drawings of sings, Send in your drawings of the Mount Rushmore singing. It's Jennifer Hudson, Kelly Clarkson, Jojo Seawa, and Lindsay Lohan. That is the Mount Rushmore vocalists can't wait to see because some of the readers

are such incredible artists. They really are. That's not that's no joke. That is no joke. I don't joke. I don't joke. Culture Number fourteen. I don't Jojo, I what nothing, Let's bring the guests then, I feel, let's bring the guests in. I feel this guest someone who you meet and you go, now, who is that? Who is that that I met? I think this person, I think this person is very powerful because I think about the striking, striking in intellect and wit, in warmth, in physicality and beauty.

The first traps have been on another level as as of late. And if you think we're not going to talk about it, then you're dead wrong. What do you think this is? You're dead, You're deeply mistaken. This guest is an incredible writer, an incredible podcast host of Like a Virgin with the one and Only Rose, with the one only Rose, damn you, and a former guest of the show. For my guest of the show. Our guest has done and I don't think so, honey, before an

iconic one. This is so, This is so, and I think you should really listen to Like a Virgin if you listen to this podcast. Let's say, if you'll listen to this podcast and you feel that you enjoy it, you're gonna enjoy Like a Virgin. Oh maybe even more, maybe even more. Hey, as the iconic, legendary drag. Queen Kennedy Davenport one said, fuck my drag. She didn't who who could forget? Who could forget? You know what? You know? Okay, So I've been saying okay, sorry really quickly. I've been

saying it work. Say that in front of Miss Sarah Sherman, and she knows what it means, but she will append to it and go say that ten times fast. So anytime I say say that, she goes say that time times fast, which I think is the perfect addendum to that. Anyway, we're so excited. Please welcome friends, Welcome to the arena. Bit, welcome to the arena. Oh my god, thank you. You know they're really there must have been some mix up. I was supposed to be introduced as Shade As my

given name. Let me imagine being named Shade Das right now, Like that's gonna be so it's going to be such a panic, imagine daily panic on top of the panic of being like a Latin non binary stoner podcaster. I'm like, my lawyers will be in touch. I could not. It is representation that I did not ask for, right it is it? Is it fun house me? Or is it something that you reject as a reflection of yourself, Like

what how do you process Jay? You know, Um, what's interesting is I I genuinely love the show, like the reboot, I am. It is appointment television. I am enjoying every second. It's very fun. It's maybe more fun to talk about than it is to watch. Sometimes, Um, given like I mean the double vomit we just last week. It's like one of those moments. But it was a roller coaster. Yeah, it was a roller coaster, but I mean the shadeas

of it all. You know, I was honestly I should have just like an enacted and been a version of shadeas this. If I had the improvisational skills, I should have just done this interview as Shade, which I think you would have. You would pull off with the plum. Well, you know it's hard because you know, Cha is just such a such a complex character. You know, all you need to do is mentioned weed every third sentence about how you've been smoking weed. So I don't know doing weed?

We have we have to hear. It cannot be overstated. They don't smoke weed in this family. I mean just like that, they do weed a lot of it. In fact, oh, yes, we can possibly remember d m s. They've been doing a lot of weed. That's honestly, I since the show has started, I've been truly unable to think about like

literally anything else other than Shadeas. It's like I think part of like this like kind of caricature is like I mean, I guess I wasn't surprised to learn that there were like no Latin or non binary writers and the writers because she is so like a an amalgam of like our collective imagination of like what a non binary person might be, you know, because like she has like this like um shock jock personality, yes Joe Rogan slash Jennifer Aniston in Morning Show kind of vibe, but

then like thank you. But then like this is a cinematic universe. But then they still have like the revelatory like gender speeches of like Nett and then like dated drag language like step your pussy up and like yes queen, and like it's like who is this person? Like I believe that insufferable non binary people exists, Like we we know those people, but like it's it's such a mishmash

of like things. Well, Gawker did a whole piece about how to day j DS is perfect because it is depicting the way that all comedians are very annoying, and we can we agree. And I think that is and and and I think I think it was Olivia craig Head who said, like, you know, Sara Amirz is doing a perfect portrayal of this character. It's not that Sarah

amirs is like butchering the acting. It's that they are actually accurately essentializing the way that all comedians or any comedian period, slash podcaster or slash whatever person in that space is obnoxious by default. I don't feel the need to be self effacing about this. Actually I'm not that annoying. I'm sorry, I consider myself to be pretty annoying, but

you're not that annoying. Now, I'm nowhere near as annoying as j das And I'm actually gonna step out and bravely state that because I actually don't think we need to in any way knock ourselves in the conversation around j d S. J daz is. Here's another thing that strikes me. Any character that's like, well, I'm really it at sex. It's been a thing, how good they are at sex, and I'm just kind of like, I'm like, what is this. It's just I don't I don't know

how to take it anymore. I'm with you, fran it is appointment television for me. And when I get on here week after week and explain the third graders and their endeavors and like how they keep heightening and how they keep deepening, and how they keep challenging not just

themselves but also the status quo and the culture. I want to make it clear I'm not knocking the show necessarily, because I do think that a large part of entertainment is, especially in the year of Our Lord two, is watchability. How we provoked the conversation is the conversation. Unfortunately, Wow, can't believe they said doing weed. Yes, but it is a conversation nonetheless, and we are here and we are

having it. And as we barrel towards the finale, and we are barreling towards a three weeks I think than three and I don't think I've been this excited for a finale since The Morning Show Season two. Well, I am deeply sad that it's about to end. I am actually very sad that it's about me too, I'm not ready. I think that, Like, I have enjoyed the show a ton.

I think a lot of the reason that people are like so hot and bothered about this specifically is because the show has so much else going on, Like it really is a part of this like very bizarre like kind of next issue of like next gen reboots, you know, like we had like you know, the Will and Grace and l Ward and like Tales of the City kind of like reboots that do this thing that we call on food for thought, woke whack a mole where they really try to hit every single corner of like justice culture.

And I think if it was just Shay, like we could be like, oh, that's like an annoying character, like I too identify with a not that annoying community. I think it's really brave of you to to platform I'm here,

I'm here, and I'm stating it. I'm here. I'm not I know, I'm not that annoying, um, but but yeah, I think that, like, because the show has all these other things that are also kind of just as annoying as say, it's like a part of the Amalgament's like we can't ignore it, like I can't not be mad about this, you know. Can I say something very um, very egocentric? Oh please? I watched this recent episode when Shake came on the screen, and I thought, oh my god,

is that what someone thinks I am? Like some like they think I as just like let's just say, like queer, POC podcast or comedian? Do they think like I do? I read the same? Am I the same sort of legibility as Chay? Like am? I'm like like, I feel like that's what freaks me on as like like see like people like will grossly misinterpret me as being that when I too am not that I actually want to walk back my thing about being annoying, but all comedians being annoying. I also am proudly in the not that

annoying community. Can I say that? Can we place ourselves there? And I think both of you are. I don't sure I would say, well, this is just to respond to what you're saying. What you're saying though, it's like, I don't think that that character is supposed to represent now more than I'm wanting the more I'm watching it, I don't think that Cha is supposed to represent more than Cha. I think they do because they're all of these things.

There are a podcast, or they're a comedian, they're non binary, e POC like and like they leave their stone and they lead with all of these you know everything about changing, you know, you know nothing about them, you know, Like I feel like that's what's so remarkable about Chay as a character. I don't think there is anything annoying about

being a queer podcast. That's not what I think. There's everything annoying about CHA because Cha is constantly talking about how much they smoke, the pussy they they eat, like it's just it's it's getting to the point where it's just like, oh, okay, so we're actually we're what we're saying is not just straight male comedians. We're now saying, actually, you know who else is can be this annoying clears. Cleears are sometimes even worse because you have to figure

out how to talk to him too. At least with this great male podcast for who Munch is rug and it is always talking about it, at least we know them in the culture. Now we have to say, you're right, you're right, you're right, they're annoying. The I couldn't the pronounced joke was such a lot. I just feel I kind of I'm feeling like halves of what both of

y'all are saying. Like I feel like, you know, this show is trying to create a conversation around women in their fifties, and any conversation, any show about a generation, if it's a sitcom, is going to make fun of the other generations, you know, a given And so you see the ways that it creeps in, like the way that it kind of critiques woke culture or whatever, but in it like kind of critiques itself. I think that there is a lot of like smart writing mixed in

with like a lot of bad choices. You know, Like I personally am like really interested in like white people trying to write about whiteness, trying to like kind of implicate themselves in the problems or like funny things about whiteness. So I was actually like really jazz when the show started. It's just like it's just one too many things where it's like, okay, like who smokes a ball in an elevator? You know what? I was that piece. I was like,

I've never said anything like this before. It was crazy. It's like vape grow up. And then when it when it fell apart in three pieces. At the funeral, I was like, what is this contraption anyway? Maybe maybe maybe just like get a one hitter or something. Bra it

was so confusing. I mean, as I said earlier, I have been unable to think about everything else, and because I have worm brain, I listened to not one, but two companion podcasts about and just like that, I'm consuming everything about this and unfortunately learned that I mean not just that there are no latiner non binary writers, but that mp K did attend a panel of trans and gender non conforming people to learn more about the non

binary experience, didn't hire them, but didn't hire them. Um yeah, yeah, yeah, but like proud of you for you know, doing the work or whatever. We I actually, just before I forget the double vomit what was very well done, I thought, and that I thought it was great. We have to give kudos to a new Valia who directed that episode. Do you know the btst about that vomit scene? Have

you heard of this? This is from that? Yes, this is the podcast knowledge So um, when when they were trying to pull off this fake vomit stunt in the magic of TV, you know it's a long plastic tube that is taped to s jps like neck, okay, and you know, the tube goes down the block and these like dudes are pumping fake vomit out the side of her face to create this illusion as if she's vomiting um. The people they hired apparently were not amazing at their jobs.

MPK said that they were fired after and they couldn't get the vomit to actually work to like actually shoot out of the pipe. And after like trying to get this to trying to get this thing to work over and over again. S JP turns director and goes to take off the tape, take off the tubes, take off everything, give me the vomit. She takes a two leader bottle a fake vomit, chugs it and does the vomiting herself. And MPKA said that the second vomit that she does

is all one take. She had a trap door a vomit to vomit a second time, and that is acting as JP is one of the grades. I cannot believe she did not. I was in my jaw, is on the floor. I have to walk this back a second. She usually vomited. No no, no, no no, no no. I refused to believe this is true. It is you're telling me that she chugged what? So can I say? This is? I just recently had to vomit profusely in a project, okay, and they give you a couple options of different things

that you can pretend to vomit. I don't believe for a second that Sarah Jessica Parker, amazing actress as she is, actually consumed the stuff that they give you and then actually vomited. So what we're seeing is real vomit? Can I tell you? It looked real? When I said, I was like, wait, something about s JP throw up looks real? You know. Let me tell you, Matt, I too did not want to believe it. I listened to this exchange

multiple times. It is straight from MPK mouth. She chugged the fake vomit, and I guess threw that up or something or maybe I don't know. It was a lot of vomit, he said. And you know, I I choose to believe it because I believe women there is there's such an easier way to do that though, which is just no. But she wanted to give it that velocity, that motion, that cannesthesia like velocity. She wanted it to look like vomit projectiling out of her mouth. What you

cannot do, Matt, and you know this pulsive. I know I did it. And don't you say that I didn't do it because I didn't do it. But you understood happen, and don't be fresh with me, girl, listen, don't tell is a low ceiling. I'm saying, this is not your limit to your ability. Every human being can only hold so much fluid in their mouth to simulate vomit for an acting scene. S JP was like, I'm going to transcend that limit and actually ingest this fake prop vomit

so that I can control when it comes out. And with this speed at which it does, that feels like an unsafe working Atmosphere's That's what I'm saying. That business for thirty five plus years there was there was a toxic culture on set. There was a culture. I guess we'll find out. I guess that's finally revealed. This is going to be revealed. I wanted to ask you, as someone who just said you're interested in white people writing about whiteness, and you're sort of observing this happened on

this show. What did you think of white lotus. I loved it. I loved it, really did I. I I thought that there was a lot of really salient criticism about it. Um that people were kind of like, you know, talking about how the music used in it and the way that the island was used to film and all the different stuff was like not you know, very kosher, and that there should have been a writer's room for some of this stuff. But I think that people were kind of putting too much on it to be an

actual critique of whiteness. It was a mystery. It was like and you know, and Agatha Christie like, you know, white Mystery, and like I think that, like, on face value, that's like what it was, and like people thought it was supposed to be this brilliant critique of whiteness. I just think it had like really I thought accurate like jokes about woke culture, but those were just like a byproduct of what the show actually was. I don't know

what do y'all think. I do want to say. I guess the Christie White Mystery is the front good to know, Good to Know? Um, I feel like a lot of the woke commentary was placed on the teens, mostly or and I guess Connie Britain's Chared, I mean, like that was like the central sort of like locusts for it. I didn't, I guess. I guess my only thought was that it could have been like if if it might have been more satisfying for people like talking about it,

if like that was more evenly distributed. I don't know. Yeah, that's the thing. I think that people were trying to put like the show's intention into it, and I don't think that's like really what the show is trying to do. I think that was just a tool that the show, you was to tell a story that was, you know, a mystery. But I totally loved it, loved every second of it. I thought the ending was not amazing, but

you know, I probably couldn't stick the landing better. It was like, really, there's a lot, I mean, endings are hard. I mean, you know, I was again as I'm talking about, as we barrel towards the end, just like the finale. I actually I was watching Watch What Happens Live the other night and they had Nicole are Parker on the show, who plays the iconic Sesame Street character lt w Um and and they asked her. She get a question from the audience like what did you think of the finale

and what can fans expect? And she got this, by the way, one of the most beautiful women's on the planet Earth. It is crazy, but she gets this glimmer in her eye and she said, well, um, let's just say that I think that the fans are going to be really, really excited. And I was like, I'm sorry. If Samantha comes back at the end of the finale of and just like that, this will go down in history as the best season of television. It would be unreal.

It would be more satisfying emotional than you know, Toby and Andrew Garfield inspider me in the Way Home. For me, it would trespasses. Okay, I love Toby and in No Way Home though, but yeah, I agree it was that somehow, somehow, Yeah, I I loved I love No Way Home though. It was so loved. I love the honestly now leading competitor for maybe most homo erotic Marvel film in the m CU. Like maybe we were literally just talking about this with Joel on the podcast booster Um, But yeah, I think

No Way Home is is up there. What do y'all think because you are m C U can't love MC you the way that UM like they found that when they go back and like, UM, Andrew Garfield and told McGuire are just like hanging on each other. I was like, first of all, and I want to say this, and I want I know I'm with my sisters when I say this. The sexual activities that I would like to participate in with Andrew Garfield range from they're They're numerous.

I would like to have every I like to explore parts of myself I never knew I I want to stop short by saying specifically what it is, but because I don't want to, I don't want to sound on couth on toward. But let's just say that. I when he appeared on screen a spider Man and started talking with his little mouth, I was like, he is so hot. And I used to be on this big Sebastian stand kick and I have to say, Andrew Garfield has taken

my number one spot. He's so hot, he's so good, he's so good a tick boom, he was so good in No Way Home. I'm obsessed with Andrew Garfield. I love him. He's so good. I really like I loved how to Me, Like, I love that all the Spider Man's were kind of playing like a a very different like Spider Man, but I love that like Andrew Garfields was kind of this like like guys, like, what's like this sensitive kind of like oh there were my feelings

kind of like it was so like nuance. It was very like fan servicing, but like there was nothing about it that I disliked. Like I just like loved every second of the this like three Spider Man exchange Joel Joel Kim Booster has said that it is not a movie, that it is just like a theme park ride, and I am totally okay with that. It is the first, you know, um Marvel movie to use only a meme as its source material, like Spider Man's pointing at each other.

It really just went for it and that I knew, you know, when it comes to rectifying source material, brave, very well done. Can I just say this is what No Way Home gets right, And this is what this is what I tend to actually enjoy about reboots, And this is why maybe sex maybe this this is wh maybe I'm just like that it's kind of like not really being neither right way all the time. Even though I also love it and I'm so excited for the finale,

I'm very sad that it's ending. Final Fantasy seven is one of the best games of all time, you consider when the best games of all time they rebooted it. It took like twenty plus years to reboot completely ground up PS four remake. And the story changes have to do with like, all of a sudden, there's there are all these hooded ghosts that like swirl around you at various points in the story, and you're like, who the hell are these people? What are they supposed to do?

And they keep like writing the story, they keep like, um, anytime the story deviates from the original, these hooded people come into like set it back to what it was. And then you find out in the end that like they're supposed to represent the fans, they represent the fans of the original game too, like to be like, oh no, like this is a presence in the game, there's no way you like right out the discourse around something that's so beloved, and so you have to basically like incorporate

it somehow into the story. And I feel like no way home does that, And way, and and just like that maybe doesn't I don't know what I'm getting at, but like, there's something very satisfying about acknowledging the fans. There's something cool about fans service. A fan service is not like bad on its face. I don't think, Yeah, I don't think. I don't think it's like intrinsically cheap at all. Like I thought that everything that was done in No Way Home was like so earned, you know

what I mean? I agree, yeah, And I also think we're at the point now with these films where they have to acknowledge the Like this movie I think actually was acknowledging and commenting on the fandom. That's kind of what the multiverse is. It's about how you do return to these characters in different iterations all these times, and how in a way, like our opinion on one is

affected by the other. And so this is that in practice, you know, it's these worlds actually colliding because you know, we as fans of Spider Man or whatever, um, you know, we do that all the time in our heads and our heads and our discussions of them. Know, it is just pure fun. But I also do think it does serve as a useful installment of the m c U. It just was it was just different. And also you can you can remember this film in a way that you're not going to remember a lot of the other ones,

you know what I mean. I think that they do have to get inventive in bold with these things. And even if people think, well, that's just fans service on face value, like I have to break it to you, like these are superhero movies, Like they are made to service the fans like that, that's that is why they are made. And so people you know, coming in with the criticism of this is one of my least favorite m CU movies because it's just a theme park ride,

Like what what would you consider the other ones? Like what what was Black Widow if not a theme park ride? What is The Avengers exactly if not a theme park ride? Like I understand that people might place certain um films that you know, have like a tour directors or like whatever, Like you know, someone might be a fucking Eternal Stint because they love what Chloe Esau did with it, But you know that was less of a theme park ride.

So so it's different strokes. I guess. Yeah, I think that's my thing with reboots is like I think something that I loved about No Way Home is that I think if you're gonna do like a reboot of any kind or like bring back things, it's like you need to like kind of radically reimagine it. And a lot of these like kind of reboots so to speak, are

just not doing that at all. And I don't know, obviously it's like complicated if like the original thing was like a little problematic in some way because trying to like rectify that, you know, creates another the city I'm talking about, I mean, I'm talking about sex in the city. I'm talking about like West Side Story. Honestly, I like that, which I a movie that I loved but like walked away with it being like what was revised? And like

for who? And like how like I It's like I think I get really like interested in like I don't know how um we verify authenticity versus like representation versus like what will gets what won't get you canceled versus like what is just you know, good TV but it's just a good story. And I think that people don't understand that there's no resolute point to any of those things, and that's why we're always going to disagree on them.

And if it's like for a specifically marginalized community, like lack of visibility and scarcity mentality gives us this like lizard brain that compels us to tweet like the meanest things about it, and like that's not the creator's fault, but it is like a responsibility that you now have if you're going to like make this thing, you know what I mean? I agree? I agree. Wow, I'm getting really excited now about Samantha, you know, And I don't mean to I don't mean to throw that out there.

And then obviously because the odds of it happening are so low and also that it wouldn't be leaked is crazy. But I'm just thinking to myself, they've now batted her around so many times, like the like if you know Chekhov's gun babe, Like it just is what it is. And I mean, honestly, what's really going to happen is Samantha's going to enter the m c O and and Kim Control is gonna be I don't know, like some

sex robot or something like that. Like I don't know, whatever it is, I will be there for it I am, I have something to report. Oh yeah, I took it upon myself to directly text a new Is this rumor true that SJB checked the vomit for the actual takes we're discussing on Los culture is just at this very moment, I said, incredible episode. She goes, she's currently the speech bubble is in the ellipsis, but she goes, O MG, Bowen,

this is an actual, real, true thing. I will I will tell you more as I information as I receive it. But she's currently texting me I think amissive about what happened on that day. You are blowing my mind. I'm so happy, but you you introduced I would not have known about this if you didn't tell us. It's crazy, it's amazing, it's she deserves and egot, she is one of we. We have repeatedly said on this podcast, you

cannot deny what she is doing. And look for all the big swings that are happening with the show, Carrie Bradshaw is still she suffered and she is she is still that girl. She remains that girl. And when every episode ends and you're still on the journey with Carrie, I'm still like, Okay, great. I'm still here. I'm still on board because it is Carrie bradst of Parker doing what the other girls really said that they would do

and then didn't. But because so so all the sort of craziness with the Miranda storyline, like the sort of the betrayal, like that is happening with Steve, you know, to see him flop around that farmer's market. I mean, it was just it was just too much for me personally. I was like, this is just not this is not what I signed up for here. But Steve is just

way too hot for that. It's just it's not it's not believable that someone named Steve could be so like Steck sexless and that he and that that's sexual energy that he gives when you buck like that in the year two one doesn't like like like he didn't forget how to funk? I'm sorry, like, like it's it's not it's not a world I want to live in. It's not a place I'm willing to go with the show. Like I'm not going to a place of Steve forgot how to fuck. Miranda's over it. Let's just have Miranda

be over it. If Miranda is going to decide that she is ready to move on to a new chapter of her life. That's fine, but stop making Steve look like this, like fucking clown. Yeah, poor Steve, Steve. I I feel like, you know what. The something that the reboot is doing is Charlotte has become my favorite character wanting I'm not joking, I'm not joking. I mean, okay, I think listen the episode where she is acquiring, if not mere kidnapping black people to diversify her friend group

was kind of egregious. However, she has given I've laughed the most, I've lulled the most at like Charlotte jokes. I think that her fillers are adding to her character. I think you riching, enriching the experience of her line delivery. I was never a Charlotte fan, was never a Charlotte stand and something about this reboot, I'm kind of into it. Okay, So she's still your least favorite because because you you see yourself in her or and you assenta, no, it's

not that, you bitch. What I would say is I just you'll like Charlotte. She's always been the one that's like, well, I'm willing to learn, but it's just kind of like you would know this, like like her stumbling into ltw's party and immediately barreling over to the woman and being like, hey girl, it's you, and then that's not me. And then the the when when when he said, um so, who who's read Zadie Smith? I'm like, this is like this is this feels too much for me again dumbing

them down too far. It's not even dumbing them down. I think, like, no, this is perfect. This is a perfect example for Charlotte to know like z D. Smith and to know, like be very familiar about the work of like black artists, like the way that she sort of like schools everybody like schools LTWS mother in law about like that piece being like an investment, Like you must have somewhat of a nuanced like view on race to not then recruit black people to come your dinner party,

Like that's what like is dissonant to me. But but Charlotte, I don't know. I I can't. I haven't made up my mind on her and about Yeah, I thought that episode was like unforgivable. I had a really hard time with it, not necessarily because it was like an unrealistic thing for her to go through. I think that's like a problem that white people deal with, Like sure like about it, but like but like, um, it was just at no point was it explained that her behavior was abhorrent.

And so when she told LTW like oh yeah, like I'm like this is what I did, she was like, yeah, sure, go off, queen. It was like, what, like that was my issue with it? It was I was just like I really would have appreciated a moment where lt W would have just been like really lame like these like we're not just like props for you at a dinner party, like even if you were trying to make it comfort comfortable for me, Like what about her? And then what

did you end up disinviting her? Because I couldn't go, like you lied to this woman, Like I just feel like I I don't buy LTW because she was like just the way she reacted, I was I just couldn't understand. And I was like, how are we in fact challenging Charlotte as a character if she's not going to like answer for her actions in this episode in any way? How what in what way are we seeing the development of this character If this white woman gets away with

doing this like stupid ship exactly. So that episode, Like, I agree with you, but I think like Charlotte is a character where she's like, I'm going to get an A on my an a plus on my report card and ask for extra credit, you know what I mean. So of course when like this like cultural wave hits her, she thinks that's something that she can win. So, you know, even in this last episode where she like randomly dropped a Demilovado quote, I was like, in my head, I

was like that was wild. But then I like went back further and I was like, well, if Charlotte's trying to like learn more about her on binary kid, Demi Levado is going to be one of the first Google might be there. You know, I'm honestly giving it a lot of passes, but I think my real thing is like it feels true to character, even if it is hard to watch. First of all, we all know that the most famous Demi Levado quote is not sorry, not sorry,

It's that Froyo Stan tried to kill me. If we're gonna quote no no, no, no, no, no, I'm sorry, this is the most famous quote. So I went up to her and I beat the ship out of her or whatever. From what was it? She like, it was I'm gonna I'm gonna beat that bitch up. I'm gonna beat that bitch up. It was from the documentary where they heard about one of their backup dancers talking shit or something. Anyway, so I said, I'm going to beat

that bit. I watched the first fifteen minutes of that documentary because the YouTube algorithm is so cruel to me, I mean, simply complicated, simply complicated. I don't think I made it that far, but I did learn a lot about Demi Levado, So you know, Demo continues to be one of the most thrilling presences, especially recently when they like sang to an alien about their trauma or something

like there wasn't There wasn't. There was an article that was that came out that was like Demi Levado has sung to an alien and as a result discovered the aliens. Um they're producing a show about extraterrestrial where everything good is it's on Peacock, of course, on Peacock Peck. Peacock is giving what the what everyone else wants to give. I'm not even saying this as uh An NBC employee. I do love Peacock on Peacock every day, all day for to watch Real Housewives of New Jersey. I'm on

Peacock watching Stay by the Bell. I'm on Peacock watching Real Houses of Miami. So goodt Wait, fran fran you'd love you? What are you would legit? Love it? Well? I have to now I have a Peacock subscription to have to watch them. Ultimate Girls Trip Um The Ultimate Girls Trip gave everything. Y'all watched it the first couple episodes and okay, it's pretty enjoyable. Yeah, okay, okay, yeah,

yeah yeah. I thought it was like, honestly really frightening how much they gave you a behind the scenes of like filming the show, and asked about what the experience of filming the show was like because they don't do that.

It's particularly like crazy for me because I don't know if y'all I think I told both this, but like, I had never seen a single episode of any Housewives franchise before the pandemic, and when the pandemic started, I watched all of New York, all of Beverly Hills, three seasons of Atlanta, all of Salt Lake, and two seasons of Potomac and like, like I just devoured it in

one like adult like stoned. Yeah, like kind of like mind fuck um and so like I think finally watching Ultimate Girl Trip, which you know, everyone always talks about Housewives, All Stars whatever, it was so different and like tender, and I don't know, it's not what you would it's not what you would expect. Yeah, yeah, I wasn't cross. It's not a bad but I loved it. What about so y'all you liked you y'all liked Ultimate Girls Trip.

I really enjoyed The Ultimate Girls Trip because sort of like you like, during during the pandemic, I think I really went into the Housewives of it all because just because there's so much of it to watch, and I think volume is important when you have a lot of time. It's like, well, you know, here's this big old thing that I could never tackle outside of this. But I think I watched, you know, thirty one seasons of Survivor

and hundreds and hundreds of episodes of Housewives. And what I liked about The Ultimate Girls Trip was yes, of course that they broke the fourth wall, but also that it seemed like they got very very very much a diversity of experience, like you definitely have the people there that have only ever been hero protagonists and then people that there that have been villainized by the oh, and you know, certain dynamics like the Theresa Judas and Melissa

Gorga dynamic is I think a really interesting one. And I'm very into Jersey now and I recommend everyone watched Jersey because it's it's it's different. Like I always say, every house size franchise is about something different, and I deeply believe that Jersey is about like the patriarchy and about the whole that that the patriarchy has on these women especially, and that's sort of like Italian American culture, where it is very much what the man says goes.

And you know, Theresa goes to prison because of the actions of her husband, and I think that you see her development over time, and then to see Ultimate Girls Trip, you sort of get like a different perspective on her. I like Theresa a lot in Ultimate Girals Trip because I didn't really watch Jersey and I was like, oh, what's like, she seems perfectly great. I don't know, she comes off like a clown when you don't know what

what New New Jersey Housewives is. Like I remember when when I when the first image I ever saw of Teresa Judais was prostitution and we're flipping the table. I was like, Oh, that's a show about a crazy person. That's a television show, but a crazy individual who's off her rocker, and I'm not watching Jersey. Then you do watch it, and you actually you get surprised because you actually fall in love with Theresa a little bit and you understand, mind you like, this is something else there.

It's not like a no, like she's like monstrous, but but but Teresa, Like it's interesting because all these women start this show, they're very family first and they're very much in service to their husbands and their children, and it's like, you don't talk about our husbands, you don't talk about our children, like I'm on my family stick

thieves all that stuff inside. And then like as these women gain autonomy because they're on the show, and then you see Teresa Judas in like Ultimate Girls Trip and like a new relationship and it's like a businesswoman and the best selling author and all these things. It's like, oh, she definitely has had to evolve and transform from this person who was just a Jersey housewive to now understanding how big the world is, and like, you know, that

development is interesting to track. So that's what I liked about The Ultimate Girls Trip. I haven't watched Jersey, but like Matt, I love like your thematic readings of like

housewive franchises. It's like that was so my experience of watching Beverly Hill season two, Like I remember just like watching everything go down and being like I mean obviously like I was like smoking, but like I was just like, well, obviously this is like a microcosum and perhaps the greatest argument as to why like wealth is a disease and how classism effects like the human psyche, you know what

I mean. Like it's it really like you do watch how like these women's lives are so like warped and like so outside of an actual reality that their problems, I don't know, just like blow up in obviously they have to do it for TV two, but like the way they blow up their problems is still very real, you know what I mean, And it just like speaks to your like, oh my god, wow, like these women are really actually going through this thing. Matt, what would you say that thematic rate on Miami is now that

it's you know, Miami is interesting. Um, Miami is sort of being carried by one cast member. Her name is Alexia, and um she Um, she is dealing with well, her husband, her ex husband who's now deceased. She's found out was gay, and she's meeting his lover and like sort of finding out about that and now she's in a new relationship. And I don't think I've I don't think I've really put my finger on what exactly it is in Miami.

But um, because I think that Miami hasn't really figured itself out yet, and I'm not super familiar with the old seasons. I have watched the reunions, but um, there's something there. One thing I will say about Miami is that they have their their complexes. Um about plastic surgery and youth seemed to be different than the other, which is saying something. I don't know what it is, but it seems like, um, the the cosmetic enhancements there are

on another level. I don't and I'm not sure if that's like a comment on Miami or like that type of culture, but there's definitely that thing of like panic about a husband moving on from you. Um, the founding of the Fountain of youth chasing is very palpable, you know what I mean, which is across all these franchises. But anyway, some sort of turn up the dials on certain things more than others. I love that. I kind of went up. Now should I watch Miami? I love

you this look. I also love this spice you put on. I love because I thought and then if someone said was like accents on the eye, this is this is this is giving you guys doing the cafe boostello ads. Do you think they reach out? You can cut this if you want. Do you think they reach out like being like, oh this Latin podcast lost culture resta. This is actually why for the sole reason of we're not cutting a moment of accountability, a moment of accountability for

appropriation in the Latin community. That's actually why I'm here. Um, And now we've said it. We take accountability in so far as Spanish is a colonizer's language, and therefore we are actually totally not accountable because it's not our language. It's literally culture. Rea's like fashion, and we put the we put loss because we thought, oh, that's just like that's what you said, and then I don't know. Honestly,

this is very um. This is also giving uh, not to excuse Aaron Sorkin's remarks, but like the people that we're mad about Javier Burden being cast as because they were like, he's not Latin, and I was like Desi Arnaz was like white, like he he went through a time where obviously like his Latina dad was the marginalization, but he was still white and it's like, I don't it's it's fine by me for like a white person to play like a different kind of white person, you

know what I mean. And also he was amazing. He was really was. He was so good. I'm sorry, like he transcended the race. It's honest, it's honestly kind of how like I mean, I think it happens more with like straight women or straight women actors and straight Maile actors. But like when straight women nail a queer role, no one says anything, like no one's that you're talking about, Carol, you know what I mean, Like I'm not calling in. That was a beautiful performance. I think sometimes you just

stick the landing and it's fine. I don't like to see Jared Leto planning a transgender woman obviously, like that's crazy, Like that's deeply coming at the expense of of of an actor in their opportunity, and like we see in Disclosure in like that amazing documentary that Netflix put out,

like just how damaging that is over time. But like when it's like, um, when it's Kate Blanchet or if it's or if it's just like you know, I don't know, like Harry Styles, I guess is playing a gay policeman coming up this year, and yeah, a gay cop or something, and I'm just like, look, ultimately, like I do think that there there should be a lot more representation across the board, and like maybe we should, I don't know,

but never all these gay cops. Didn't Lena Wait to play like a gay cop cops or whatever and she was an animated gay police And also wait, wait, there's a didn't doesn't Will Truman and Will and Grace fall in love with a gay cop? Really yeah, when he's a Bobby kind of Valet played gay cop and he's hot, he's so hot Bobby kind of Alli and Eric McCormick both straight. But the and the thing is like it gets a little exhaust thing over time, but I don't I don't know. I guess I don't even know if

I have a backup for why. But every single time it feels like it's announced that a straight actor is playing a queer role, it feels like the response is the same, which is like, funk that's funk funk this, And I'm like, I don't know, like we like we don't know what exactly the role entails. Like I don't even really know what I'm saying here. Obviously I want to argue for more representation that's proper, but I just don't believe that it should be a blanket condemnation of

every single casting decision. It feels weird to me. This is this is maybe an unfair question to pose, map, but like, if they cast a straight guy to play your role in this TV show, you would be doing and and let's just spoil that maybe this character that you're playing is gay. I mean, like I would be annoying. I mean, but like not that you would like know that you were up for that part, or maybe you

do know that you're up for that part. I have I have recently gone in for auditions that have been listed as gay and then in the casting they change it to straight, you know what I mean, Like like so like I don't know, like it's it's weird, Like I think the best person should play the part, and I often feel that queer roles are just best going to be played by queer people. But I'm not casting it,

I'm not directing it like I do. I do like hand it over to these people to make those decisions, and you hope that you know they're making these decisions based on talent and based on suitability for the part, and it's not just some studio note of being like, well can we get a fucking straight actor in here? That's like a name. Sometimes sometimes it is that, which which which is definitely I think the case. I don't know.

I just I'm talking about the blanket statement of it all where it just feels like, yeah, it's not it's not a global it's not a blanket applicated. Yeah, I get what you're saying. I am also, like you, Matt, like kind of concretizing my thoughts on this, Like I think it's like a case by case kind of like nuancing, you know, I think it gets more contentious when like

the role center's queerness. It's like it's a experience that I think with trans and general conforming people specifically, it's like, because there's a much bigger lack of opportunities for transactors, like that creates like a just an It's something that's very frustrating to watch like happen. But like I totally agree, it's like, what what do you do with heterosexual fagotry? You know, like I think that, Um, honestly, this is a very good segue to the Matty morphosis of it all.

Have y'all watched drag Race. I have not finished this this most recent episode I saw it. I mean, but and you know, it's funny. It frustrates me what's going on on drag Rass with Mattie morphosis because and but this is what frustrates me about it. It's not necessarily that Matty Morphosis is on the show. It's the other contestants the way that I think they're being told to discuss it. I just don't believe that there's gonna be no one in that room that's going to confront Matty

morphosis about it. I don't believe for a second that these ten other drag queens who are drag queens like primarily as a result of their queer experience and as a result of the way that they've had to like navigate, you know, becoming performers, and the lack of opportunity for them that they've been you know, you know, led to

drag and fall in love with drag. For that reason, I don't believe that universally, every single one of them is literally going to be like I say, work Maddie, like, yes, drake guys in drag, like absolutely, it's time to knock down the door. I don't believe for the second that that's the reality of that workroom and the emotional temperature of that workroom. So I resent that it's being portrayed

portrayed that way. To be honest with you, it's palpable, especially if you watch Untucked, Like you can see what those girls are thinking. Ye know what, I should say it and they should be allowed to say it. And that's I think. That's like, I just don't believe that that we need to be like straight rights drag. I just don't. I do love that RU came in and basically like gay bullied Maddie morphrisis because like good she came in and she was like, I mean, I don't

know how far you are bo. But she basically came in and was like immediately immediately out's Maddie and the girls, well that all these girls are gonna be like what the funck? But she also said something to the effect of like are you afraid you're gonna be a fag? By the end of this, you know, it's like and it's like that is actually like the thing I would always want to have said to like Maddie Morpheus is you know, um, but I don't know. I mean I think if you watch on Tuck, I think she she

says a lot of like the right things. But at the end of this like spiel, she says something something to the effect of like, um, like, well, I don't actually think that straight people should do drag, Like I actually don't think it's like a lot of straight people should do drag or whatever. And I'm like, you can't say that on the biggest platform in the world for drag, like sitting right here, Like it's just it makes it just looks so crazy. But at that way, beyond that,

like she really ate the runway. It was kind of sick. I I mean, there's nothing to knock about what Maddie presented. I mean, Maddie presented very competitive drag on the show. It's it's like, not about that for me. It's for me, it's about the way that the show is framing the responses of the other queens. I just don't buy it. It's gaslighting. It's very but I mean love. I mean, I think the cast this so far, it's like really like I'm very excited for Aingeria to go up against

like corn Bread. Maybe also, I don't know. I loved Bosco, I loved Carrie. Carrie seems nervous, but like I'm rooting for Carrie the show girl. Carrie stunning. I'm I'm obsessed with Willow and we love Willow Pill, truly obsessed. I love Willow Pill. I love Willow Pill. Maybe not it's like a Willow Pill Willow Pill. That joke will never get old. M I like Willow Pill. I think I don't like her as a winner of Drag Race. I like her like a Katya of drag Grace, you know

what I mean? Like I I like her the way I like Brooklyn drag and that she looks like she dropped out of the New School. You know what I mean. Yes, we're saying, you know, her talent was something you would see at the like the Annoyance Theater, and like, oh yeah, that is like I don't know, Like I think they're hosting viewings. I think because Willow it's from Denver, but and now is in Chicago, and I think, Um, Dairy

Queen shout out to Dairy Queen who who's listening. Um was was telling me that they're hosting um together like viewings at the Annoyance in Chicago, which I love, which we love that that little cute little intersection of like all comedy and drag. But um, before okay, we're already an hour and we have to ask the question, Oh my gosh, we really do? And I really I thought about that earlier and I was like, we'll get to we're getting carried away because basically third cultural STA did

I no, no, you did it beautifully. I was standing shady, thank you so much for coming here and destroying the Cafe Bustello Advades because yes, no, no, I went in Boston. Cafe was still right after that up not a shred of facetiousness in my voice, girl, nothing but respect. Fran, What was the culture? Now? Listen to hear me out that made you say culture was for you? I thought a lot about this. There were a lot of options,

as all your guests in the race, hum. I think if I had to pick one, it would be a Greek mythology. Yes, I I was, you know, a library kid um. I I like, hey, talking about it at this point because it's like so boring, and I talked

about it so much in the podcast. Like I, you know, grew up very under very strict Baptist parents, under a very intense jurisdiction of cultural consumption um, which means like I was left out of like most things that kids grew up with culturally um, which is like you know what like a virgin is kind of predicated on. But like I was allowed. I had a free pass at the library, you know what I mean, Like my parents would take me there and I could explore any corner

I want. And of course, like my gay ass like found Greek mythology and I was like, there's some fagship here. Let me take notes, you know, absolutely, And as a Greek myself, I can say firsthand like that they're the girls were certainly dipping it into interesting areas. It's not even that it's like Greek mythology overall has some of

the darkest shit period. Oh yeah, it really it dealt It dealt with I mean it dealt with like so much like humanity, but using these avatars of like shredded demigods, you know what I mean? Like that ship is gay? Now? Who were your favorite girls on top of the hill

called Acropolis? Um? I okay, So I have a very vivid memory of like, after consuming like every illustrated book about green mythology that I could get my hands on, I migrated bravely over to the adult section and found like books without pictures, which, like even even now is difficult for me to do, you know, books about pictures, and like I feel like I remember reading like a passage about different myths and then reading about how Apollo had a lover named Hyanson and he was and I

remember reading it like I was probably like nine or ten, and I remembering like he he big question, he yeah, And it was like such an aha moment because like I don't know, like it was so effortless and it was so like in passing, and I think that maybe not so much true now, but like at the time, like every gay narrative coming out, it's like when the gay character enters, the whole narrative has to like come to a screeching halt and we have to like stop

and like acknowledge that this character is gay and then like move on. And like with this, it was like so seamless, and I think that like from there, I just like kept craving things that were that. And then also obviously like Greek mythologies, like the most homoerotic shit ever, it was the o G and he happened to Yeah exactly,

he's gay, Yeah, but he's blind. Um. But yeah, I feel like there, I mean, Paula and Hind said this basically about I mean, it's basically kind of like what every Greek myth is about, which is like a god who loves his twinks so much that he accidentally kills him with toxic masculine Um. It's it's, you know, a story as old as time. Um. But like I you know, they just like had sex all the time, Like it was at a time that predated, like the shame around

sex predated like homosexuality. They weren't fucking in the butt since well before Christ, Greek men used to walk around with little packets of lube, like so that they could fun at any time. Little oil sex. I can't remember what the name is, but they had these like little oil sex. They would just walk around and just funk whenever. This is actually that's like that actually is like ancient culture, like the there would be certain figures in a young

boy's life. It was almost always a young boy like um, and that that these that these things I learned focused on as well, there was like a father figure, and there was like a mother figure, and then there was like another father figure who like exclusively fucked the kids. Yes, yeah, I mean obviously I'm not trying to like, um, you know, glorify too much. There's a lot of consent issue is not an ideal time for like women are like you know, enslaved people. But like it's like like the fact that

gods and demigods were faggots, like that's that's revelatory. And even like like even with like Zeus, like taking Ghanamy, I remember being obsessed with this Zeus and Ganymede and the Zeus like plucking this boy from Earth bring him to Olympus so he could be like the cup bearer. I'm like, see, like this is even something that like like gay men of a certain age or wealth or or a game game and of a certain like class to do. Now, like they'll just like pick out a

boy and then have them live in their house. This is this is a current phenomenon. It's crazy that you're saying this because, um, like over a year ago, I was commissioned to write an erotic by a big company that I won't name, and they ended up flaking on me. But I literally wrote an adaptation of Zeus and Genia Mede in the modern day, and it was about like a daddy that owns the club and like usurps like

a bottle service boy. You know what I mean. It like it gives that like it's it's it is as I said, I know thatss Yeah, that's why they remake it every three years. Yeah, but that I mean from there, like I I grew to love Greek mythology. I think I really fell in love with like the the world

building or the world built that is Greek myths. And I think a lot of stories that I love now have those like that intricate like architecture of all these different gods and goddesses that are entwined in some way, and like, I think that was something that I always responded to. And also I think the Disney's Hercules came out around the time that I was like seven or eight, and that was super formative and is also so gay,

you know, and Gladiata so good, what a good soundtrack? Yeah, And it's just like I don't know, I mean, obviously I was horny for Hercules, like who wasn't like that the quintessential like los feeless, like twank, but like I feel like there was like so I don't know, I just I loved that as like a I loved all of the mythology surrounding it, and therefore obviously fell in love with that movie. And I don't know, it's very

formative to like the work I like. Now, Isn't it a shame that James Woods is one of the best Disney villains as Hades and yet is like full on cuckoo, crazy insane person, Like, oh god, He's Hades is so good. Love a queen, Love a queeny villain, Queen villain, Disney.

Yeah exactly. Um, but yeah, that's my answer. That was like maybe like peeling through those and like you know, horny young adult fiction in the library and all the different stuff checking out like exiting my cultural vacuum, and like checking out things that would have eventually corrupt me like um, hotel paper, um, Destiny Fulfilled, like these things that I wasn't allowed to like you know, consume, but could You don't think the Baptist Church would have approved

of Destiny Fulfilled? Which track? Do you think we'll upset them the most? If you such, you will never found love like matter You're gonna miss me. I fucking love Destiny Fulfilled, And I believe Baptists should listen closer. You know. When I think about like the Destiny's Child of it all, I do think my you know, Christian upbringing would have loved nasty, which is a slut shaming anthem, and I you know, must respect. I mean, we have to remember

that Destiny's child famously. We're not going to compromise their Christianity. No, okay, because their mama the meta than that. No, their MoMA taught them better than that. Absolutely, But I'm pretty sure that was like one of the first pieces of like secular music I ever listened to, Like I'd only been listening to cater cater to. You really sort of talked to your formative culture because you're you're thinking of, you know,

the voice servicing. But when I bonded over this because we both used to be switch foot heads and then yeah, oh my, I think all three of us were switch foot Heads were sad, I mean only during Dude to Move. Yeah, of course, come on now, Christian rock, Christian rock baby, I mean, oh my god, twenty four. We we've talked

about twenty four, right, Johnny. I sent it to my I sent the lyrics of that song to my pastor, and he was like, let's break it down, Like what do you like do you know about, you know, wrestling the Angel? Like what this is what this lyric is in reference to? And like he really like it. Blew my mind genuinely to be like, wow, switch Foot is the most genie is music that's ever been written. I

truly was like pastor pilled with Switchfoot. Did you have like weird I'm only I'm maybe I'm projecting, but did you have like weird relationships with your pastors? Pastor's youth pastors. No, I didn't. He his name was Pastor Paul. He was a lovely man. He was the white pastor at this like all Chinese church in Denver, and you know he was he was just everyone at my church was great, like no one was like no one was like like

especially great. They really were. I will say something like there was this pipeline from you know, there was this pipeline from like the diaspora Asian pockets in Denver and in most parts of the country. I would say where you would sort of like as like a millennial growing up in these places, the only cool place to find cool Asians was at church, I will say, at youth group. At youth group, like you would like you would like go to Chinese school or Korean school, Japanese school on Sunday.

But then like the real like everyone there was just like two square or whatever, and like the parents were always there watching over you. But like where it was at was that youth group Friday night at the church. It was just the teens playing guitar like doing like youth group ship and it was like kind of it was like the shiny shimmery thing for me growing up. I was such like a loser, loser in high school

that I very relate to. Like church was like one of the first places that I was like I belong like people like people like me, Like this is like, am I even popular here? I wasn't, but like it's you know, you get the kind of I don't know, you feel like you belong to something. Um yeah, which which God blessed like Minesota speak, like God blessed that we had that back then. It came in this like someone in City of Swarm. I don't know, Matty, do you laugh? But when you hang on this episode is

the coolest people ever are at church? God bless God. I'm saying, the coolest people in my life at that time we're at church. I'm teasing you. I know what you're saying. It was so true. I mean I literally did not learn how to play the acoustic guitar for any other reason than to be a youth pastor, which was to me the coolest job you could have, period, Like there's nothing else in my imagination's period. That's that's a rule. That's a rule of culture. Number ninet two.

There is no no cooler job than you pastor. Period. Can you still play acoustic? No, but I will, I will. You know, say that the first song I did learn how to play was good Riddance by Green Day. Okay, Bowen, did you ever pick up a guitar in high school and like try to teach yourself how to play? Yeah? I was like, this ain't for me. I just yeah,

and how far do you? My mom won one year for Christmas, my mom and dad had gotten me an acoustic guitar, and my mom looked at me and she said, I just figured it was time, And I was like, you're right. I took my acoustic guitar up to my bedroom and I YouTube searched how to play Taylor Swift begin again. Wait what year was this? Two thousand? Because the beginning and came out right? So this was when I was in college then, or maybe just out of college.

I mean, learning how to play the acoustic guitar is something of like a rite of passage, you know, for young white man. Did you say it was high school? I think I asked, did you ever pick up an acoustic guitar in high school? And mine? Mine was when I was like, because I think it was after I discovered like you know, the music in our comedy whatever. And then I was becoming more musical in my twenties and my mom was like, well, I'm getting him an

acoustic guitar. I just never well, I mean, it's it's never too late to pick it back up. Matt. No, maybe maybe Matt was certainly not um like picking acoustic guitar. Definitely not at church, We're doing cool stuff like football games and yeah stuff the little bit of you know, nose nose drugs and fresh off the slopes. You know. I was a feeder kid, but I wasn't. I was too scared to like partake and like drug or alcohol

use that like cast parties, which were frequent. Oh yeah, No, people don't realize like the cast parties went in but I was. I wasn't at them. I was like, yeah, you were, you know, playing football. I was play football. No, I No, I went to like I did go to football parties where there was a lot of alcohol use, but I didn't meet anyone that like smoked weed or did any drugs until I got to college. Not me. Really.

It was like I think my town was like midwestern enough where it was like just generally looked down upon to like part it was like part of I think it was in their culture. You know, lot of like anti drug propaganda at that time in high school. So remember dare Do you remember what is it? Drugs and alcohol resistance education which literally made drugs worse for kids apparently, didn't it or something like that. I think I've seen

some sort of association. Yeah, I haven't verified this fact at all, but basically it was like, you know why euphoria happened. It's like kind of how I see it. I just remember we would get like, do you guys remember that. We would get like a sheet of paper and it would just be it would say three words. It would say marijuana, cocaine, heroin, and it would be a picture of a blunt, a picture of like cocaine,

and then like an injectable. And basically what it made us think was like, these are the three drugs and they're all equally bad. Yeah, here's what happens to. If you smoke, your brain turns off forever. If you do cocaine you get addicted and you become crazy. And if you do heroin you're dead. And all three of these things are equal, equally bad. And then they were like an alcohol is also a drug. Yeah, they were right, it was just it was fear based education that did

not work. In health class, every student had to give a presentation on a specific drug and they were group projects actually, but the drug I had to give a presentation on was ecstasy, and it made me want to I can't tell you mine, can't tell my mine, because we did we did something similar LSD and who is dropping acid once every two years? As like I haven't. I actually haven't done it in like three I'm not time.

I love LSD. I actually have never done asseid you'd enjoy a deep fran and I, Frank, can we share that we've we've we've done rooms together. Yes, that was such a night. This was like a couple of years ago. This is me Justin and France Justin. We and we just justin made dinner. That's so beautiful dinner and we giggle. It was stupid at things. It was really wonderful. Yeah, but I haven't done asset because I'm kind of scared about what I might realize about it myself. Did you did?

If you have like transcendent realizations, existential crisis? I think the first time that we did it. We had like a breakthrough, but but everything stuck. Nothing stuck on acid like I have not like I'm not a fundamentally different person for having done it. I don't know if that's helpful to hear, but like you won't realize something that's so deeply upsetting that you will be like a scarred

version of yourself afterwards. It did shift things for me, like emotionally at the time when I needed it, Like I remember the first time I ever did it, I really went in with the sho of like because that's what they tell you're like going with like a mission, and I was like, I'm going to figure out what it is I need emotionally from my ex that I'm that I'm not allowing myself to get, like I really

want to leave this like being over my ex. And then I remember it was really weird, Like it was like a half hour into the trip literally right away, and I realized while I was drawing this like truly stupid picture of like a fish that was a bird, I was like, Oh, all I want is for him to always care about me. And I texted him and I was like, I just want to I just want to know that You'll always still care and he's like, I will always care about you. And I was like, Okay,

then I'm good, and I remember I moved on. And then Bowen and I had a moment that we needed to have and that was also important. And then every other time I've done LFC sinants has just been likes, giggle, I love it. I laugh harder than ever. I am kind of looking for realizations. That sounds very good. Nice to meet, for sure. I really wish people weren't like weird and afraid of I've been thinking about doing ayahuasca,

but I'm scared. You're like, yeah, but I have, like unfortunately and so much wu Wu culture that like all my friends are like, oh my god, I do aawaska like once a month. It's so great. And I'm like, I don't know if I need to have like a you know, can I ask does Channy do it? Oh my god? Um? Well, you know Channy talks about this in her book. She she grew up in an environment where, you know, she was surrounded by a lot of drugs, a lot of al you so right now she like

is completely moved on from that. Like, but she told me specifically that if I'm gonna do ayahuasca. That it's you have to do it at the time that you're ready. You don't just do it to have a fun time. You're as you're saying, you know, you're going with something of a mission in Yeah, Like I feel like that's the thing with ayahuasca is it feels so intense that it can't be this just like cool, boutique liberal thing to do was like to go to ayahuasca, you know

what I mean. It's like you really have to be sort of like needing it and I don't need it, and you also have to invest in doing it like somewhat ethically, otherwise you're gonna end up with like a white shaman, like on the last episode of Salt Lake City, Um, which was kind of wild, but like what was her name, Betunda Bettina's Yeah, Yeah, I went to her website. I

looked up her her resort. I love when they were beating the drum and like Lisa like the white woman names like Whitney Heather narrative for them to do like a healing drum line in this season and then last season to happen yeah, and then like last season was basically like the penultimate episode was like a transformative justice circle. Like these women are like really want to, like, you know,

have the moment they wanted to talk about it. Um, but Jen just doesn't possess like any of the anything to do it one of the scariest women on television. Yeah, maybe I don't really need like that kind of transcendent drug experience to me. Honestly, Like when I when I do too much weed. Um, honestly, I'm texting my ex to asking him to love me. So that's like enough

for me. You know. That's the thing. Is I wonder sometimes like if I'm going to learn the wrong things from it or like you know that because it also is it is a lot to do with people you're surrounded by weed or yeah, yeah, I figured, Yeah, it's it's about the environment who you're doing with it. Do you did you need like a chaperone or like someone to kind of watch over you we are the first time I did it, I had one and he and

it was very essential that he was there. Um when we when Matt and I did it, to get that we did not have it is I would say, the first time you do it, you should have someone who is there to just like guide it, but not in like a shamanic capacity, like someone who's just like either like being d d basically and just being like, I'm just making sure we're all alive at the end of this um which is scary than it sounds, or not

as scary as it sounds. UM Like. I think it's just helpful to have someone who's done it before it at the very least. Everyone's always like, um like, I'm always whatever. Everyone's always like, oh no, this isn't this kind of drug where you get really horny. It's not.

It's not, it's not. Every time I do it, I get so fucking horny, the kind of thing where it's like it doesn't matter who I'm around, like, and that's just so I have to sort of be careful, like like I don't know, like I'm very sensitive to that stuff, and like it doesn't matter what it is now, I just get so fucking horny on it that I don't want to be like horned up, you know what I mean, Like and and then like be in that sort of state and be all fucked up in horny, you know

what I mean. I'm just on a baseline horny, just like I don't even want to know what happens when it's escalated. That's kind of how I am to like, I don't know what's happened to me the other day, you guys, the other day I jacked off six times. That is some seventh grade level. That was. I don't know what it was. I think I was like I had like sitting around. I was just like nothing was going on. I was just like, well, I'm not hooking up with anyone anytime. Sooner into town. I did that

too when I had COVID. Yeah, there was one night where I just I literally masturbated six times. And I'm sorry to say readers, by the sixth nothing was sometimes coming out. I don't think, I don't think anything, not even air just at a dry heave a dry like I thought it truly was like it was like it was like when a baby dragon used to cough, like yeah, like a little guy. One day you'll get it when

you grow into a big dragon. And it's like it's like it's like Figment, you know, Figment, the Disney Figment. By the way, did you hear this controversy about Figment? What's this controversy? Fran how versed in Disney, do you become um, I mean, I don't know what Figment is. Let's just say you're you're you don't know about the controversies. There was there was a seven hour wait at Epcot for a for a popcorn stand that was selling Figment popcorn.

What And you don't even know who Figment is. Imagine seven hours worth of people who do know and they decided to spend their day because they want a Figment popcorn bucket? Why is Why did it sell out so quickly? I think that's just that's just the way Disney kind of is. I don't like that anymore. That might be I don't think so honeyworthy, but not not on this episode.

But you know, I could pooh pooh it. But also like I went to Universal Studios for the same time, which I know is not you know, Disney, I p but like I was in the I didn't think I was going to drink the juice, and then I was in the world, you know, obsessed, which which particular land really struck you? Well, you know, we're Universal, Universal, We're peacock.

We can say Hogwarts. I mean, Hogwarts was our face of Rose and I joked that we were going to go, and we we were gonna were you know, grou show marks like disguises so that no one would recognize us in this like kind of transphobic whatever anyway, but it was amazing. Um, I will say we got there um early on accident. Rose was very adamant about being there. You know, right when the park opened. I'm sucking obsessed

with Rose. Rose is so like Rose spiritual cellular level to get there when the park opens is so my culture. Well I well, yes, a culture that honestly I'm learning in public about. You're calling me more than because when I arrived, I was like, you know, we arrived and I was like, oh my god, it's the park isn't even open yet, and like Rose and Ashtrain to me, they were like, um, sometimes they opened the park fifteen

minutes early. It's like a surprise to the guests. And I was like, how do you And sure enough they opened it like five or ten minutes early, and and they made this crowd of hundreds of people chant like count down to the opening of it was not even on a special day. It's nine, all right, let's go to just spickable me. It's like and I'm not and I'm not like awakened big girl, but like I waked and and so sober so when they were counting down,

I was like having a euphoric experience. I'm a projectile from my body, like just like this is the greatest thing that could ever happen to me. See I want, I want to say, like, no one has ever really had a good experience if they hadn't gone with me. But I think because you went, you probably killed it. I would love love to go to Universal Studios or does any Disney Park at literally any time I have a car now, I I love just I will say

yes to That's honestly. Something about having expendable income as well as a car is I become the target demographic for literally any any product, anything, anything, any expert exactly when Bowen comes to l A next, we will go, Okay, sounds great, it's decreed. Should I do an Orlando birthday one year? You are so sick to dangle that in front of me, knowing that you're probably not going to

do it. You're cruel, not really mean, streak, and you actually been messing with me from the beginning of the I didn't forget about when you said I wasn't as good at vomiting on camera, s s JP. I didn't forget about that. Can you at least just admit that you that like, she has more experience with that and so therefore she knows how to control her own trapdoor,

as France says, fine, I'll admit it. Well. I think that we have sort of stumbled up on the part of the episode of Lost Culture, which is called I don't think so, honey. Don't you think bo? I think so? I think so. This is where we take one minute to rail against something in culture. Um frant is very experienced, very very not a virgin, not a virgin like not a virgin. The last thing I did, I don't think the honey, I got in trouble. I got in trouble a little bit. Did you? Did you all see the

ramifications of my I don't think so, honey? By any chance? Did you break it down for the readers? Did someone named and Tortorella? I mean, I don't have any problem. Basically, it was like, um, I mean, I don't think honey, I dragged the queer I fab five for a specific reason. It was like, right when the reboot was coming out speaking of reboots, and I did call Nico Tordarella the Rachel Dolishal of the queer community, which was then added to Nico's Wikipedia page. And yes, it was added to

Nico's Wikipedia page. Here I'm here, I am thinking no as a podcaster, I was like, no one listens to the podcast I can say this, and there are so many I was like, it'll be fine. It was later taken off, which means like they you know, I just want to, you know, clarify that I don't want to be gate keepy with non binary people. I don't despise

Nico Triterrello because they're non binary. I just spise Nico Taterrello because they are a legitimately bad person, and most people in the industry, as someone who worked in remedia for so long, find them, you know, bad and annoying. So now we said it, and now we said it to have Camille Grammar be dragged into this, I had to I just once you said, I don't think somebody added a trauma response and I actually, we we forget that people do fact listen to podcasts. Against all odds.

We get on here assuming that not a soul is going to hear, not me, not Ross don't um, but I do. I do have a topic. Okay, this is Matt Rogers. I don't think so honey, his time starts now. I don't think so honey bussy. I don't think so honey bussy. I don't think so honey. Um. Usage of the word bussy during sex mostly for example, like when you're in the middle of the act and someone says, yeah, yeah, like pound my bussy. This to me takes me out of it. Um so bussy. It's a boy pussy or

a butt pussy either way for me. And when when people sort of say the word, you can't just be like pussy. It's always you know what I mean, It's always got like sort of a sort of an energy behind it. That's very I don't think. To me, I just think like maybe this maybe there's something else, you know, maybe maybe there's maybe there's fun my assho you know what I mean, something a little bit more per bussy.

I don't bussy. And that's one minute, okay, And being like have we considered as have we considered pound my ass? I there's I would rather say fuck my butt then bussy. I mean like, bussy to me is just like I don't know, Like I feel like we're in a weird place with the word pussy. Why bussy? Bussy? Can I try? Can I present a theory as to why. It's because I agree with you, like I don't want it. It takes me out of it. Something about it doesn't sit right.

So it's a bussy to me is like an internet word. Yea, And someone tweeted, do you do you do you remember this tweet? It was something to the effect of like some gay person tweeted I was I was getting fucked by this guy, and then he said, I'm about to come on period. I'm about to comment period, Like that's

what That's what bussy during sex? I guess it reminds me of is that, Like it's so darring to hear like, oh my god, I'm about to come to think to think of you at your most primal, when you're like, oh yeah on period, Like this is like my coming from my movie right now. Honestly, it's reminding me of this one time. I um like, this is like a

few months into quarantine. This is agent. This is right when we started to not be scared of having sex with people, and I topped this twink who like could like had told me luckily after we had sex that he bought like seven copies of Cromatica to support album sales. And it was it was it was the same where I was like, oh, I'm I'm like, this is kind of taking me out of the experience. The experience. Yeah right, I don't know, it's just a thing of you know

what happened. It was during my marathon day of the other day, my six time extravaganza. I literally, I just I just I was watching a pornographic video on the site only Fans dot com. You were using a little sex ty and watching shaddeas Instagram stories like I was watching and just like that, and it was the scene where Shade he has just kissing Miranda's nipples saying I'm really good at sex. And I was like, I have to come on period. I basically had to come on

period when I saw that. Um no, it was like I was watching, I was watching Only Fans like, you know, sort of getting my life and I found this one site. Um is it is it proper now in the in the days like in the in this currently time, like if you are a huge fans. Should I say who it was? Yeah? Who was? His name was? His name is Drew James. And he's unreal. I think he's incredible. I think I'm in like a very bottomy mood right now.

And so he was like he's like definitely like sort of like one of those like quiet, intense tops, and he like makes direct eye contact with the camera when he's fucking and not his partner, which I think is the best. I think it's so funny that like his partner is like just looking dead in his partner in off screen because he is making direct eye contact with the camera like communicating with you the viewer. I loved it.

So while I'm having this moment with him and sort of you know, sniffing my pop person like going to town on myself during during my covid um sorry coronavirus um, the bottom goes gonna make my bussy pop or something like bussy my bussy, and He's going bussy, bussy, bussy, and I'm just like, well, you know when you sniff poppers and in the middle of it, something throws you off and like then you're just like feel weird and

stupid and like like not horny anymore like distracted. So I'm like, I'm like pathetic, had my dick in hand, COVID positive, like stroking, coronavirus positive like and now I hear the word bussy and then I like, leave my body. I look at myself from above and I'm like, I'm pathetic and I just was the word The word busy threw me in the gutter emotionally and I was like, oh my god. And then I like, you know, you know, figment poof came and then rolled out of bed and

much more Teresa Judas, I'm not a figment. I mean, I the this porn actor kind of looking directly at camera. You gotta give her props for cheating out. Okay, this guy is so fucking hot. And also, you know what's crazy, Like the other day, I saw one of my favorite only fans of people at the grove. Oh, that's amazing, And I was like, I was like, do I go up and say I'm a fan? Like it was weird. You can't do that with only can you? I mean

you could. I feel like I would not. I feel like it would destroy my experience because I don't think I need to know a lot of the porn actors that I might subscribe to it and only fans, but but I relate to like this like coming out Like I was watching something recent. I was trying to find porns from a specific porn actor and it came across the Fourth of July themed one where um, they were playing ping pong with their dicks, not as a joke in earnest, trying to hit ping pong balls with their

erect penis. I think I've seen this, okay. And then there's another scene where there's like a platter of like hot dogs and buns because it's fourth of July, and you know that thing where it's like they're having sex and a third person enters and the third persons like

you know, pretends not to notice that they're having sex somehow. Well, in this one, one of the guys had his erect dick in a hot dog bun on this platter of hot dogs, and the other guy was squirting ketchup onto his hot dog dick and about to eat it when the third person entered the room and pretended not to notice that this guy's dick was in a hot dog and then like left it was it was performance Hart I was going to My favorite two is like in an only fans, like when when you see like a

clip of them just before they funk or just after and they forget to turn off the camera and you hear them like talk like fags and they're like, wait, you know who I think is underrated? Em A Robert.

It's just like that. Literally, I mean I'm exaggerating, but like literally it's like they'll have stopped sucking and then they're like like, oh yeah, that was, Oh my god, I'm so happy for Melanie Lynsky, like real deserved this, Melanie Lynskey deserves and then they turned the camera off after you just watched them like like truly like get so carnal with each other that you feel you're there, and then they're like, Melanie Lynski deserves, camera on, gaping holes,

camera off, Jennifer Coolidge out at the Awards, you know what I mean literally literally the other the other day, I was watching one and I think it was like there were was they were watching like the Carrie Diaries

in the background. I'm not even kidding you. It was like a setup you show that was like really and like you just see them fucking and It's like usually they have like no music on or like a fun playlist on, but this was like ambient ten and it was like, I forget what show it was, but it was truly like it was Rachel Bilson vibes. Actually, one time, and it's the only time I've ever tweeted from my porn altar, one time I saw I probably shouldn't even

say this, but whatever. One time I saw a porn and they were fucking to Linda Ronstad's cover of Both Sides Now, and I literally I could not resist. I was like, how why are you having sex to Linda Ronstad's cover up Both Sides Now? I actually it might but it was a song like that. I'm pretty sure it was that song. Anyways, what were you about? I?

One of my favorite videos on o F dot com is of a massure who likes to put on music during his sessions, and he happens to have one of the most gorgeous men ever to live, and they end up sucking on this massage table. But the music that's playing off like a YouTube compilation in the background is Ed Sheeran's greatest heats and it is deeply It is an obstacle that you have just just you do you do? You just have to like transcend and be like I I will, I will tolerate this and embrace it. Actually

you can. I have sucked a guy that loved E D M. And we had to have sex to that. Look, it's it's a lot. You have to m one thing though, Like I feel like like it's it's weird. Like sometimes when when I'm having sex and like like my playlist will run out because that's so long, I can go um, like it will go to a song and I will have to stop sex if a song is weird, like

I'll start laughing, like I can't. I I can't pretend I do not see slash hear it, you know what I mean, Like I'm I'm like, I can't possibly stay in this if fucking you know, the like Rainbow Connection comes on, I I mean, I I'm not doing it, but it's fair not that it would ruins the ambiance because of course when the fucking I listen to Kermit the Frog Rainbow Connection radio, yeah, and then after that at Charon Charon. But you know who's a really sexy

Rainbow Connection cover? Oh? Unfortunately by con Jason Morass is Jason Morez a bi con. He's kind of like, kind of very lightly in a very classy way, the Fedora. That's biculture, and he's a vegan raw fudist. Actually there you go. Like I think a couple of years ago, like without much like fan fair, he was just kind of like, yeah, like I've had I've had sex with men and before it was cool. Sure this to you, Jason Murrez. The remedy is the experience, Okay, And maybe

you and I both Sure fuck, I'm horny. I'm for Jason Morass, Andrew Garfield, Jay Kay, the Holy Trinity. Yang, It is time for your I don't think so, honey. Do you have something on today? I do. It's a little I feel very strong and I hope you guys agree. But this is how I feel, okay about this subject. This is bone yangs. I don't think funny. This time

starts now. I don't think so, honey. Putting miss Juju b into another different iteration of RuPaul's Drag Race, Jujubi is in Rupulse Drag Race UK versus the World, the sort of international as promised version of like an All Stars esque show and crossover that we're gonna have. It's a stellar lineup. You've got Monique cart You've got Jimbo, You've got um Lemon, You've got a bag of chips, You've got Blue Hydra and Nga Cheryl Hole. Juju b has been through this enough and she has been susting

too many times. I cannot will not be able to stomach seeing her possibly leaving before top three, top four or whatever. And if she doesn't win, then that's even That's another like edging scenario where I'm like, just give her the fucking wins so that all of us can celebration on on the communities. Behalf the community wants to see Jujuby win, and the possibility that she might not

is more than I can process at this point. She needs it needs to be a guarantee win or else I don't know if I'll be able to watch her film. And that's one minute. Thoughts on jujubes participation in RuPaul's Drag Race UK versus the World World. Did y'all see Queen Queen of the Universe? No, I've I've heard a joke and Booster loves it, and I've heard great things. I heard. Trixie is hilarious on it trick. I think

the judges panel is sublime. I think Leona Lewis, Vanessa Williams, Trixie and m and they give every pocket of what you want from a judges panel. None of this singing. It's good, I don't think. But that's not what the show is about, you know, it's about the judges panel. But Juju be is a contestant on She's she's put herself. I mean, I think she probably enjoys it. She enjoys the beating in this scenarios. But I've got it, I can't watch her lose again if that's what we're getting.

It's it's it's disappointed because she is a winner. She is she one of the best to ever do it. Every time. She has everything it takes to win, and it's just like because of another slightly better winner that she whatever, and it's like, it's it's hard to watch, it's it's painful. I can watch her lose again because it means you're gonna watch her, you know what I mean.

Like if she's not on television, she's not on television, Like I think she knows the value of appearing and she does that so well every time, so I'm good with it. Also, she she signs up for it, I know, I'm just I am too emotionally. Jujub was like my first, like season two was my first. I remember I was there. I think we used to watch it, like, well, Matt and I would be like, oh my god, you're Raven. I'm Jujub ha ha, like we're besties. But like I

just All Starts five was very hard. I mean, Shakhole one of the best contestants ever, rightful winner, but there was something that I had to really mourn about dob losing, especially in that season when she was and I remember when when they announced she as the winner, was off social media for like weeks and you could tell that she did not take it, but she like had to like take some time away from socials and like really like and I was and I felt for her. Oh,

I just there's there. There are a few people in like the media landscape I love more than I guess like for me, it's like if I'm juju by and I'm very aware of the drag race, you know, fandom, I'm very aware of how the seasons have gone. I'm going into All Stars knowing I'm not the anointed winner. Like Shakul was the anointed winner of that season. It felt like Trixie Mattel was the anointed winner of that season. In so many ways, Kylie Sonik felt like an annointed

from the beginning. So it almost feels to me like I'm not watching All Stars and thinking, well, let me really invest in who wins this. It's more about the experience of watching it, because to me, All Stars and the winning of All Stars is not drag race and the winning of a regular like Juju B did not win like and and so, and she has not won so many times that's part of her legacy now, so

she I don't know. I guess she shouldn't expect to win. God, if she did win, it would be very gratifying because it would have been so many times. She's definitely a fave of mine as well. But I love Juju B. But who out of this cast do you think is the annointed winner, because it doesn't it feel like it should be someone from the UK, either jujub or maybe

like Bagga Chips. Yeah, I love bag Up. Bagga is so lost me in her like kind of final moments, she kind of did what Alaska did and All Stars and like she had like such a great kind of like record, and then all of a sudden she like spiraled about I think it was her mom or something, and it was she like exhibited such ugly behavior that I was like, I don't want you to win anything.

I did want Alaska to win that season. Obviously it's like a perfect season and she's a perfect winner, but she did like spin out and that's a reason why I didn't like that. Interesting. Interesting, But but we'll see. I mean, i'll watch it's premiering in like two weeks, like at the same time. I mean, there's we're we're reaching saturation once again. But oh it's oh, is it going to be on Fridays too? Are we about to have like a weekly state sanctioned four and a half

hours of drag race this state? Again? It's um, there's two state sanction things in this country, violence and drag race. Um, it's it's February one. It's Tuesdays. That's interesting. So February one is also when something else premiers. Oh, New Jersey, new season in New Jersey. Maybe I should so I know what I'll be watching. I had to other drag show, so I get into housewife seasons better when it's airing. That's how I did, Yes, so maybe I'll do that

with Jersey. I'm a bind I'm a binger, babe. I love that. Love that for you. Fran Toronto, do you have and I don't think so? Honey? I do? I do. It's hot, hot off my mind, hot off a friend's mind. I can't wait to hear this. Yes I do. This is fran Toronto's I don't think so, honey. Time starts now,

I don't think so, honey. Ryah. Okay, I cannot believe I've been duped yet again into downloading this insidious, elitist as pyramid scheme of Okay, we do not know Listen, no one used this this app to meet people, Okay, do not patronize me. We come here to validate ourselves for month I forget to grow Tieranny okay, and for what occasionally matching me with like in Lisbon Toronto. Okay. The fuck am I supposed to do with that? Okay?

It has done nothing for my dating life. It has sent me the same fifteen instan famous people over and over again to have the audacity to say fifty don't have any profiles anymore because we're fostering at community. You should foster some fucking self respect because you don't even deserve to have the same name as Ryan the Dragon, who was a superior in every way. Okay, you are fucking tinder for class traders, and I don't think so, honey,

You're so right. Honestly, I two things I forgot. It costs that much a month, and I have to delete it. I don't have to. And also when you scroll for even forty five seconds and then they're out of people, I lose my mind. And they have a hundred thousand people on the waitlist. Like so, I was just reading articles about this, like it's crazy Bowen Yang was on the wait list for a really long time and it

was unacceptable. Well, I think, like this is my this is my thing with the figment popcorn bucket of it all at Disney, which is creating an artificial scarcity. Is I don't think so, honey to that, you know, like that's that is the frustrating thing about Ryan, And yeah, it's like why am I Why am I really gonna like hit hard on like someone from like Carunia Spain, like I don't, like, I don't know what I'm supposed to do with someone who who does live in Vancouver,

Like it's like like what am I why? Why am I making all of this calculus in my head about like who I swipe right on? It's it's it's really it's so crazy, it's gross and it really it. I mean, this is my second time downloading it. I feel like totally gas lit. I feel like it's like it's just like it's so sexless. I don't know anybody who's met off of like right, it's LinkedIn with dua lipa songs. Look what I'm doing right now, we're moving up. She's

doing well. You have to on subscribe, you have to me, and that's how they get you. That's how they get you. That's how they get you. It is. It is a pyramid. It is multi level marketing because you have to each other and then you create the scarce and even Telly, I have friends that are structurally hotter than me that have not been accepted to the app yet. It's crazy. I don't understand how it works or how like the

moderation works. I feel like I've like swipe right on, like lil nas like so many times, and every time I feel like manic and pathetic, and it's like, why do you have you? I know I could be banned, probably for talking about celebrities on but I honestly hope I get banned because then I'll be free. Though they want you, they want us to have this conversation. It's exactly. I mean. I was just watching ContraPoints video on v per recommendation and really made me think about this specifically,

which is, oh my god. And I've I've already talked about the Envy video, but like that is like all of her themes woven, all the things she's talked about over the last several years woven into the same video. And it's a mass a piece. It is her masterpiece. I can't wait for her to make more. But like that, she really hasn't been on well. She she she does like one. She'll do like one video every six months or one every year, but they're all like they're always

like two hours long. Um, she's genius, Natalie okay, Um. This was a really beautiful episode. What can we say I mean other than it felt like it felt like if and honestly felt like an episode that we just do together. Like we almost forgot to ask you the question. We were just shooting the damn ship. We were shooting the damn ship. We talked about Chay, we talked about House five, Spider Man. There was Kathy with Stello accountability, which is I think I think that was the most

necessary part of this whole. It's the most important conversation we should be having today, truly. Actually, and I will leave that conversation next to the conversation about Rya for sure. I'm this is this is, this is the thing. We there's something for everyone. Okay, thank you for having me. It's been a long time coming. We tried to do this in l ages ago. Oh my god. Yeah, well you got we all got to listen to Like a Virgin. But I have a feeling you probably already do. Everyone

out there. Maybe if you don't, then you should. Okay, I heard siblings. I heard sister and sister's sister. You must listen to Like a Virgin? Is are what are the thoughts coming back? Yeah? We are back. Yeah, Yeah, we have, um, you know, a very undedicated cadence to this dream. But yeah, we we just recorded a bunch of episodes, so they're coming out on Sundays or Tuesdays to pay y'all, y'all are very unjust like that. Y'all know I was gonna say, y'all are very curb your enthusiasm.

So true. Well, honestly, the reason we had to create Like a Virgin is because most of the thoughts don't consume contemporary culture. Because and I just needed someone to talk to you about the things. So but we had we did talk about Salt Lake City, um quite a bit. Oh, everyone's out the thoughts watch slowly. No, Den doesn't. We still have to break her into it. But like you know, it was, it was. It was an experience, well dead was Dead was sort of, you know, the audience surrogate

for anyone who hasn't want exactly exactly. I feel like Salt Lake City is sort of the housewives franchise that broke through with like Bushwick. Actually, yeah, actually you wouldn't. You wouldn't think yes, but yes, you're right, you're right because the women well I don't know if this has much to do with but but the women are like so I would say it's maybe one of the more

stable casts of housewives franchise because of Whitney and Heather. Somehow, I also think Meredith, even though she has so fallen from grace, is very stable. Yes, you know, I think that there are a lot of there's a lot of grounding components to it that I think make it easier to watch or less polarizing. But it's it's just it is just took a really good gateway until a lot of the other franchises, I believe, and one of the best, honestly,

especially especially this season. Now, friend, before we go, um you know that we end every episode of the song we would like you to choose the song You would like me to choose the song to be any song, any song, Oh my God, and we'll know it. You will guarantee, guaranteed, um bone and I are amazing. There were a couple of songs that were mentioned on this episode. Yeah, why don't will you? Will you? Will you pick? I? Honestly I could never. I could never. I would be

it would be too presumptuous. Your fans would eat me. Alive responsibility actually yeah, very neat. I look to live this church, this churchy way, but this live Usians are oh really, no mist