"Address Her Correctly!" (w/ Dr. Wendy Osefo)

is the only Essential home line. I have a question to ask, have you ordered your five wiks or seven weeks? I think the nine is out? I might be mistaken on the catalog on the off road. No, there's no. I don't think there's a nine just yet. But there of course that. I ordered two five wicks and they're on the way to my apartment. They are on the way. I got matching ones for me and Sudie, and I could not be more excited. Then, when of a new line, a new line? Okay, well, is there anything that we

should just any housekeeping? We should get out of the way first. I feel like we're just kind of diving head first into the guest and I have no qualms about that at all. I have no qualms about that. This episode is not just an episode of podcasting, but it's a testament to why you always have to shoot your shot in the d M s. Okay, this is what this is why that you have to go for it in life. I would say in terms of housekeeping, it's definitely Oscar season. I mean, I've definitely seen some

films I'm actually in the middle of. Have you heard of this film Passing by Rebecca Hall? This has our our favorites, This has Tessa Thompson. This, Yes, it's exquisite. I'm watching it right now. I actually just watched King Richard the other day with Will Smith. That was amazing. About the Williams sisters. Everyone's got a stream that on HBO Max will Smith is unbeatable. For the Oscar I would say that might be a family. That might be a film I watch with the parents, like they understand

what's going on visually just enough. You gotta understand anyone who anyone out there with immigrant parents who where there's sort of a language barrier. You gotta just watch something that's visually stimulating to sort of get them. Can I just can I just say say something. I took my parance to go see Hamilton's when they were in town for my birthday. Poor Dad fell asleep in the first act and I got upset at him. I was like, Dad, like, you got how can you fall asleep to this? It's

so loud. That's it's so loud. There's so much going on. There's such a loud, explosive performance and even some effects, and even some effects. I mean he I think I think we went to go see Leyms in London and I think he lived was many booms in that show, many booms he was. He was also like, wow, I love that circular stage, the way it spins around. I go, well, there's one here too, there's a there's another circular stage

on this one. Dad, Like, what what gives? I think if you're watching stuff this holiday season with your family, if they have a hard time, you know, staying compelled to watch something, just just do something big, bright, fun like King Richard. I'm just saying the tennis is popping off and kid tens off. I think this is I'm really excited to watch this. I'm saving it for for the holiday. It's a really good one. It is a crowd pleaser and it's it's like it's an amazing story.

I mean, will Smith is great on Jane Ellis who plays Oris and Price their mother is great, the girls who played the Williams sisters are amazing, and it's just obviously we all know how the story ends, but it's kind of nice to see how the story begins. Like it's really very winning and it's a triumph, I would say. And then I also saw early screening of the film don't look up the new Netflix movie that's coming out, the new Adam McKay, and that was it will Stay

with You, so look out for that one too. But basically, none of this is as important. I think we should just get right into it. I think we should get right into it because really the pop culture moment is

really Housewives of Potomac reunion happening right now. And our guest, I don't know about you, Bowen, but when I turned on The Housewives of Potomac the first episode of the reunion and I saw who was sitting right on X to Andy, I said, absolutely and someone who does not take that positioning lightly in a literal sense, like she knows the placement, the meeting behind the placement, and oh

my god. Basically they said Karen Huger, move over. Well, I just want to say you you remember the beginning of season five, we were watching it together or just checking in with each other, and I was just like, Wendy's got it. I was like, Wendy's got it. I

love of this from the first episode. I'm like, I'm very interested and honestly not to like be reflected too much in this, but I go, it is actually very meaningful to have this housewife who has this interesting relationship with her mother as this immigrant who expected a lot of her and who has opinions about her career path. I was like, this is extremely powerful to watch on a TV show like The Real Housewives, and I hope that it likes has sort of broaden people's scopes on

like what that is. Speaking of her mother, she has a book coming out, Tears of My Mother, The Legacy of my Nigerian I'm bringing it out in Mayo in pre order now, pre order now, um we we we've been waving around our ownnee home essentials. I don't need the namestake candle right here. A lot of it is sold out right now, which is a great sign that means she's in demand. That means she's in demand. But

we've been over that already. Um what else not political commentator and obviously the star right on Andy's right on that couch on the Real Housewives of Potomac. And I don't think we could be more excited to welcome and let's address her correctly your ears doctor, here we go. Oh my gosh, I'm so deactiv. Yeah, we cannot. You

can tell you how excited we are. I mean when I when I looked down at my phone, it was it was a better d M, you know, response than I've gotten from any gay man who's DM I've slipped. I loved it. I loved it. I was like, I am honor. It's so funny because when you reash out to me, I was like, they want me. I felt, So you're the first housewife we've ever had. Are you serious? I hear so many great things about your podcast, and even when I put it in my instant story, you know,

like people like, oh I love that. I'm like, I know, well, it's our it's our honor. What are you talking about, it's my honor? I mean honestly, like, thank you, thank you. Oh my gosh, this is too much. How are you spending this this holiday week, Wendy, What's what's on the what's on the agenda? Um? So Thanksgiving? This coming up. Thanksgiving us like a blip for my family. And I think it's because of the two different cultures. Like Nigerians we don't do Thanksgiving. We do it here in America.

But it's like, okay, let's get over this hump so we can get to the big shebang, which is a smith. So Christmas is like big for us. But this week is spent like decorating the house like they, you know, the people says I like to call them, came in and judged up the home for us. And I'm behind on grading for my students. And it's fall break at Hopkins and so I'm catching up on my grade book. So that's my life this week. What is what is

the grade book these days? Is it? Because I think there's I kind of yearned for the days of remember someone someone tweeted this, like remember when you would peak at the physical grade book on your let's just say like you're in grade school, elementary school, middle school, when you would peek over at that grid page and to be like a hundred nine whatever and you just like get a sense of yourself. Now it's all electronic. I assume, yeah, it's all electronic. I put and no peaking, and then

it's it's like every assignment has a different weight. So I'm I hate math. I'm not good at math. So I'm like, okay, this is only worth five points. So now I'm using my low calculator on my iPhone, Like, so what's the three out of five? Is that a? Is that a A? Or is that be? Like so I I despised it and nothing is out of a hundred, Like, let's go back to everything is out behindred. No, no, no, the entire semester is out of a hundred. So everything

was broken down. Sorry, I'm I'm a millennial professor and it comes out in my aggravation at all faculty meetings. They no, but I have to ask, so, like you are you back in the classroom now or is it still all virtual? So the good news is the program I teaching was always virtual. Every once in a while I did face to face classes, so it didn't the pandemic really didn't impact my teaching because we've always been virtual.

It's just that in the spring I'll pick up one or two classes they're face to face because the weather is nice. I like to be on campus. But now I'm like, hell, no, I'm not in the classroom. I'm not doing that. No, no, no, no. You're saying how your students, some of your students, mostly you're undents, are very aware, but keep the boundary the distance between you being on them being aware that you're on the show.

That you've had a couple be like, hey, um, I had this question about public affair stuff whatever, But then what's the deal with Robin and Gizella or whatever? And you're like, I can't tell you that. I swear the conversations for the most part. And when I say most part, I mean like of my students, they don't question, they

don't say anything is completely professor student relationship. But then you always have those few who will say something like, hey, I was looking at page three of the syllabus and I wanted to know about the final exam and whether Karen Hugo is really shooting in suring. I like, here, really shot? How did we go from the syllabus to Surrey and peanuts? I'm self confused? And it escalates that quickly. Is now like a period between the syllabus conversation and

then the Karen Hugo conversation. It's like a running thought. I'm just like, okay, all right, don't doesn't that put something on you to be like, well, I can't think any differently of this student. I can't let the professor student relationship be affected by what they just brought into this, Like I feel like that puts the onus on you to like, I don't know, like brush it off. Is

that fair to say? Yeah? No, I I always what I do, what I have learned is I answer whatever question they have about the course, and I put l O L. I saw your last question. You have to stay too, smiley face. It's literally a copy of pace. It's literally a copy of pace I put for everything just to say I acknowledge it. I get it. But l O L smiley face. You know I I mean, what can I say? Like they want to know about

you know, they want to know about Candice's album. They want to know if they could come to the album release. I'm like, girl, no, you cannot come to I have to say I um. I was on Instagram this morning and she posted a little bit of her singing Alone by Heart and the vocals are there and they've always been there and I really liked the album and drive Back is basically become the theme song to this podcast. But she's got the real chops like there's and I

saw her on Kelly Clarkson and she killed it. I think she did. Wow, I think she killed it. I think that, you know, if nothing else, I'm happy for her chasing what she loves and what she has been doing since she was younger. No shade to anyone, but you know, Candice is not like, Okay, I'm on this platform, now what I'm going to start singing? No, she has pictures of her singings and she was little. So I'm always a big proponent of people chasing their dreams, no

matter what it is. I'm glad she's doing that. Yeah, it's been really interesting, like because because from the first season to the second season, obviously it's like it's almost like a Wendy two point Oh. There has been like this this glow up if if you pardon me using the expression, but what I've really loved about it is

like it is actually a progression from season one. If you really think about it, it it doesn't really come out of nowhere, because you've been saying since the first season that there was parts of you that you've been wanting to explore that you've maybe been hesitant to explore in the past because you do have this relationship with your mother and with your you know, Nigerian upbringing that sort of prevents you from stepping outside the box too too

much because you have this expectation with yourself, with your mom, with your culture. So I actually think it's not really coming too far outside the box because you already made the big decision to be on a program like The Real Housewives of Potomac, and then it shouldn't feel too surprising for anyone like your castmates or anyone that's watching to see you also branch out into things that housewives have done in the past that we shouldn't be surprised

your interests like home essentials. So what would you have to say to people that are like still on this narrative of but where's this new Wendy coming? Yeah, I mean, I honestly would say to them, you know, look at how we end up season five, Season five, and then with myself and the conversation with my mom, she gave me her blessing so to speak, and said, you know

what I'm proud of you go chase your dreams. So if you stop it there and you pick up from season six, it's like, okay, so now I'm living for me and in our culture, people may not know this, but part of the expectation is not just education, but for women is also family. And I finally had a girl. That was like the full circle moment, like you have your two boys, you have your girl, You've completed what you were set out to do as a Nigerian woman.

Now go live. I have nothing else to beg of you because you have the degrees, you have, the children, you have the husband. Now go live and live. I did, and I don't know who else didn't get plastic surgery while we were in the pandemic. It's like the perfect time that you It's like the perfect time to heal. I mean, I know so many of my friends I didn't get that. I'm saying, like, yeah, that's about to say. So many people got no because we had masks on.

So I just I mean, I get it, and I and and I'm not faulting people because I do understand if you leave somewhere as memory serves you, you're thinking about the professor, and let me speak to that too. I feel like, culturally, and when I say culturally, I mean as a society, we put people in professions and boxes. If you're a professor, you look like this. If you're

a doctor, you look like this. And so here I am this professor and I got my tits out and it's like, hey, this, this is not this is not what we were ingrained to believe. And I love I love music and Nas has this song, Um has this lyric on Hate Me Now with him and Diddy, and he says, people fear what they don't understand, and and that's the truth. Well we don't understand something is almost like wait, that's not what I was talking. That doesn't

make sense. That's that registering it is what it is. How do you feel like you can like assuage that fear and people? Though not that it's your responsibility. But I kind of feel this way sometimes, not to like I don't know lionize myself or anything, but like I feel like I kind of always every single day. When

do you feel that way about? Like, I don't think an audience watching, you know, this show that I'm on really knows what to make of this, like queer Asian guy, and so that's why, like that's where a lot of their anger comes out in their frustration. They like vent all of these weird things onto me, and I'm like, oh, it's just because you've never like seen seen someone like me before. And that's okay. But I I kind of

think about this with everybody. I'm like, how do you sell yourself to people when they just like are kind of coming into this, I default saying I don't get their whole deal. What I have come to realize that I'm not, you know, all knowing is I feel like our biggest form of revolution it's just to exist because I don't know about you. I didn't see me growing up. I never saw a professor who was, yes, a professor, but also very confident in her sexuality in a public space.

And I think that it always sucks being the first. I'm not saying I'm the first, but sometimes when you have such a big platform, it puts you on this pedestal that you are not yeah, this person. And if I can like just reach out to everyone who has reached out to me and said thank you. I'm I'm a doctor, I'm a pharmacist, I'm a firefighter. And you have allowed me to live in my truth to say I don't have to go with the label or the stereotype that comes with me. Then that's what I have done.

That that that is my contribution to the conversation because people need to see us, people need to see you existing in your truth, because when they don't, then we are helping continue the narrative of what people who look like us, think like us, love like us, are supposed to act like And that's not helping at all. Wendy, this is this is it. This is why you you tune in, This is why you watch her talking head on the political shows. This is this is the power.

I would say, like when you came on the show, and I remember you were on Watch What Happens Live one time and Andy said, I'm so proud to have you as a housewife. I really do think I remember him saying that, and I was like, yeah, it really is. You are a different kind of real housewife. And so I was wondering, how did it come to you? Did they were they scouting? Did you have a friend on the show, Because I know often it's like, you know, they try to make it so that it feels like

a real friend group. But how did it come to you? And I wonder what the process of you accepting the role on the show was like, because it had to be a consideration. Yeah. So it's it's funny because I knew I had met two of the ladies prior to even being in this universe type of thing. But I had someone who I mean, I don't even have a title for them. They're not They're connector. And I was in New York filming a local segment and she said, Hey, would you ever do reality TV? And I said, I

don't know, but never say never. I am a big yolo type of person. And so she said, okay, I want you to to meet some people. And so I had a meeting with some of the head honchos for the production company that does Potone It and what I thought would be a thirty minute meeting ended up lasting for hours and we had a great conversation. And after that conversation, they were like, we love you, and the rest is history. But I didn't go into it. I didn't, you know,

apply to a casting call or anything like that. It was really your friend who said would you ever consider this? And at that point I was at a really weird space in my career meeting. I have been doing the local commentary for so long, and I was like, Okay, what's next for me? And I said, whatever I do next, I have to do it quickly because I know that my biological clock in my head for me is ticking

and I will not have one more baby. So when she presented the opportunity to me, I was like, yeah, sure. And the reason I added that last pieces when we came home from New York, my whole family was with me from that meeting that week, we conceived Camera and so it was just like this weird alignment because if if I would have conceived her prior to the meeting, I don't think I would have taken it, you know, because I would have been like, oh, motherhood, you know,

this is perfect, you know my last one. Let me just take it easy. But literally, at like when we came back, she was conceived. And so it's it's just so funny how you know destiny works and how everything lined up. And then that explains the because I think the timing and I getting this right, you Guys shot season five like two months after Cameron was born. Yes, Cameron was born in July. Production came knocking on my door in August and we started filming the first week

of September. And so it just and I remember my interview for for you know, with the executives. They said, would you have any other kids, you know, would you consider And I said, yeah, I would want one more. I want a girl. And I even said I want a girl and I want to have her now because I want her to be able to walk by the time you and my husband when an anniversary. Literally, wow,

that is planning a Yeah. So here we are. Yeah, back to talk about your mother, like talk about like how liberating that was, because I I do relate to that a lot too. Where Like I grew up all the way through college thinking I have this, I am duty bound to what my parents want from me in my career, and it was I was pre mad and then Matt. Matt remembers this moment where I was I fully fell into this depression after we graduated college where I was like, I don't think I want to go

to med school. I think I might try to pursue this show biz thing um and he was going to go home to Denver, and I remember I had seen Bowen perform all throughout college, and I was like, that is absolutely not happening. And we said, I we we basically anchored Bowen to New York to keep on performing. But it was it was a big thing for you.

But it was this huge conversation that I had to have with my parents were they weren't even like I don't think they ever gave me the blessing to like do this, but even just that that tiny, tiny like interstitial space that I found to be like Okay, well you're not saying that you're going to disown me if I do this, so I'm gonnam to do it was like such a such a moment I think in like

like the first generation development of people. And so I don't know, like what was that like having that conversation with your mother having camera's role and then like making the decision like like how soon was it after that where you decided I'm going to go for everything that I want to go for. Wow, that's a powerful question.

It's it's actually funny because I said to myself, I can only have this conversation with her with cameras rolling, because I know she won't call me in front of people, so that was like my safety. So people didn't know that because I think sometimes we have like these hard conversations and people like, well, that's kind of weird that you're having this, because even this season I had a conversation with my mom during the photo shoot, and people were like, why she talking about this in from her

mom in from shoot? Because she can't kill me when people are there. You were and she was perfect. But you know, having having that conversation was really hard for me because Bonus, you said, it's like for for for me being the first gen, it's so hard because you're

straddling two worlds. And in my book Tears of My Mother, I talked about how first generations we often straddle two worlds to the to the point that I propose that we create a new name for the for the third world in a sense right that we are straddling because one feat is here, another feat is here, but we occupy that middle space and it's something that feel like only us No, And it was so hard for me, And I clapped for you because at least you went

and chased your dreams I didn't start chasing my dreams until I accomplished everything that she wanted me to, and part of that first step was actually doing the Royal Housewives because she couldn't say no because I've already been a professor, I've already received my degrees, I've already been married, I've already had kids, and so it was hard for her to say no because it's like, You've done what

you need to do. And I think what's really important that some people may not understand is I understand that for everyone, your children are your pride, but for Nigerians in particular, your children filled the gap for what you did accomplish, and so that's why they push it so hard.

Because for us, I have friends that their parents are, their father are taxicab drivers, and for their father, that's okay, that that's all he achieved, but his child is now a medical doctor, so you cannot look down on him

because of what his child has done. And it's really a delicate balance because you know that your parents have sacrificed so much for you to be here, but you want to live your own life in the same breath, you don't want to let them down because you know that they didn't accomplish what they wanted to because they sacrificed for you. And it's like this big mind. Oh my god, it's just so horrible. But I mean, I don't have any you know, I don't have any beautiful

answers for it. I just know that that's a beautiful conceptualization of it though. That's how people need. I mean, I just hope that the next generation we as first gens for our children. We allowed them to dream. I don't know if our parents allowed us to drink. And if I could pass any gift to my kids, I would say, you can dream, and you can dream thing. You know. I will also say you have the most beautiful children every time, every time, every time, you and

I just it really is. They have such good energy, they seem like such happy kids. And obviously your husband is like a fan favorite. At this point, I mean, we stand Eddie in this house and say that wait,

let me see, let me be aduilding mom. So yesterday Eddie and I went to parent teacher conference for Carter and Cruz and we went to Cameron's last week and their teacher for Cardon, they said, you know, your sons are so compassionate whenever they have a child struggling, you know, Carter with his teacher said he's the first one to help, and the Cruises teacher said he's the first one to help. To the point that Cruz was out last week and the kid that he walks to the bus to make

sure his frankness. The bus missed the bus because Cruz wasn't there, and the teacher's like, oh my god, for god, Cruis didn't come to school to day, so this kid missed the bus. The reason I'm telling the story is here I am and my hoodie and and leggings at this meeting, crying like a baby because I'm like my kids, you know, even my daughter, they said the same thing. I'm like, the one adjective that everyone has used to describe my kids as compassion. And I was like, and

I am such a bit. I'm crying because I'm like I want to be because they have this train and I don't know why I don't have it. And I'm literally and Eddie's looking at me like literally he faces like this he's look and the conference that he's like, it's not about you get yourself together. In that moment, I was just like, oh my gosh, like you know, because at the core of this, I want my kids to be successful. Yes, yes, yes, but I just want

to make good human beings. And to hear that, I was just like, oh my god, how then my parents failed me? I'm not but they did not, But I do.

I do want to ask, though, because whenever we have people that have been on reality television on the podcast, and we have had a few, one of the most fascinating questions I think, and everyone always gives a different answer, is when you see yourself edited to and depicted as a character, And oh my god, I can already tell it has to be such a mind fuck because you know, even like when Bone and I see ourselves on television

playing characters, it's weird. And then when you see yourself as yourself, but it's also filtered through this you know need that the producers and editors have to make you into a part of the narrative. I want to know what your experience is with that and how much you recognize yourself. Oh my gosh, I can cry answering this question, and I don't know why, because I feel like, oh gosh, that's such a you know, and you know, the saying

check on your strong friend. So you you don't know it, but like that's like you check it in because it's like no seriously, because you know you play. We're on this show, and everything we say we said it by Everything has contexts, And I feel like the viewers sometimes they're not privy to the context or things are cut and spliced, and so even if it was said in one way, now it's a whole another way. So when I see myself, I feel like, you guys see the

worst version of me. Oh, it's who I am because I said those things. But that's not all I am. That's that's that's the piece, you know, Like if you see me telling someone, hey, don't don't talk about my family, yes, that's one piece, but the larger pieces because I am this mom who goes to PTA meetings and I care about my kids being compassionate and we do homework together

and I just want to make sure they're okay. And so when you talk about my family, you were touching my achilles heell, because the only thing in the world that can break me is my family. But you don't

get that piece. You don't get that story, that that backstory, you know, yeah, But I feel like if we're talking specifically about the Williamsburg moment, Matt and Matt, so Matt was in town, Um, this is one of the this is one of the few episodes where Matt and I watched together season and and that episode, I mean I had hills. I mean, Matt, you remember, like I I held my breath that entire ten minutes span or whatever, and like by the end, like you and I were

like on our feet just applauding, clapping for Wendy. Were you essentially you booked seasonne? I mean, it's cemented the legend because because and as as fans, of course, we want to see Gazelle and Robin get dragged because I mean, you know, as fans and also saying this, you know, with compassion for them as the full and they are,

knowing that they're playing their roles. But I think that it would be disingenuous for any fan of the show to watch that and feel like like that was responsible of them to do because and now to see them play, you know, and not to get too too much into the narrative of the season, because people can watch the

reunion for that. But I think it is really obtuse for them to not recognize what they've done when they bring something like that narrative onto the show, which, as you said, goes from being known by hundreds of people to millions, because, as you've been saying, your family, as they grow older, can now recognize that this was a narrative on the show when it had absolutely no basis

in truth. And so it is a lack of respect for you, and you as a mama bear and as someone who's a proud person and and like a lover of your husband, like of course you're going to go all the way in. And so yes, we appreciate that moment because we love to see Giselle get dragged for her foolishness and Ashley, you know, be exposed as the henchman that she is on the show. But also like, I want you to know that we are hundred percent at least we bowen and I know where that comes from,

rooted in what you've been saying. Yeah, I think, yeah, well, thank you guys. I appreciate that so much. You know, it's we we sign up at this show and we don't we know what comes with it. We get it. We understand it. But what I realized last year at the end of last year is you have to know who you are when you come on this platform, because if you don't, you will have millions of people telling

you who you are. So you have to know who you are, because when I tell you, people will tell you know, this is who you are, and for some people they start to believe it. So I am very I hold very close to my family and the people who don't win and the people who know me because when I say that I am, you know, Eddie will tell you I'm the biggest softie ever. Um. And it's so funny because I was watching the reunion, I guess new narrative they're trying to play is that I control him.

So yeah, that's a new narrative because they have him air certain the questions and like quick bites. But he literally gave gave a whole dissertation, and then at the very end Andy asked me a question like, so when you wather your final thoughts on this, I said it, But then they played that in the way that I cut him off and I spoke for him. In the whole world is saying, well, why don't you let him speak, why would you cut him off? I didn't. I was

asked the question. I was asked the question, but you didn't see that. So it's it's it's those moments that you're just like, yeah, let me change the damn channel. I know. Yeah, Well, there's no way that it's not completely dissociated for you to watch yourself completely like reshuffled, spliced,

like assembled differently literally in like this real way. And I think that with what you were saying earlier, like I bring up me and Matt watching it together because I think there are a lot of viewers who are watching a moment like that and thinking, oh no, I do actually see the nuance behind this moment, that there is more to it than even this something so a emotional and big and there's obviously conflict here, but like I think there there's this implicit understanding of like what

was going on? What was that play? Like I I completely understood where you were coming from personally, um, and I don't know. I feel like you've done a very remarkable job of like presenting the totality of yourself, even though there's no way for a show like this to represent that, like on your behalf and the best way. I feel like you do bring all of yourself to the show, which is why I love you, which is why I've gone on record to say that you're my

favorite housewife. Don't I appreciate that? Oh, I really appreciate that. You know. I think that for all of us, we come into this and we just you know, the hope is just to bury your soul. And what Eddie was telling me, because he's my therapist, UM told me you have to be an authentic self. But with that you also have to know that people digest you how they want to, and you can be mad at how someone

digests you. And that has stuck with me. And you know, I am just moving with the adage is better to be hated for who I am the love for who I'm not. So this is me and you love it. Thank you. If this is me and you hate it, I'm sorry. But at least I'm giving you who I really am. I don't know, don't apologize for Yeah, I feel like, um, you really are you? You do elevate

the show, and I would say like, um, obviously. Next week is the last episode of the Reunion at the end of this season, and it is hosted by Nicki Minaj. So before we asked, before we asked the question of what was the culture that make you say culture is for you, I want to know if you can tell us a little bit about the experience of being at a reunion hosted by Nicki Minaj, and if you can tease how it went at all, or just just explain what it's like to be in the presence of Oh

my gosh. So I I was just so taken aback because it's it's it's layered. It is layered because first, it's okay, Nicki Minaj is hosting the reunion, that in itself was like, whoa. The second piece is Nicki Minaj watches your show. So it's it's it's really so many pieces to it. But once I found out that Nicki Minaj was going to be the guest, it was in that moment that you guys see the preview, because she started out by sending us a video saying I can't

make it, but I love you guys. I was like, oh and world, we bought that, And I was completely okay, and I was honored by because I'm like, she did a video first, this is great. Let's move on, let's get to the questions. Oh my god, that's amazing. But if but I'll be lying to you if I didn't feel like something was up. I started to feel like something was up after our first break. I don't know what it is. I blame everything on my mommy's senses, like I know my child could be upstairs. I'm like,

Carter is doing something bad. I don't know why. I just feel it. And I was like, I turned to canvas and I was like, I think making minajes here. She said what, No, I don't think that. I said, something is going on, and I don't know. And so when Andy said the whole thing about I think I need a drink, I was like, she is here, and it was such an amazing moment, and just let the record show. You're gonna see at the very end something happens.

But I just know that the bottle that she's holding when she walks in is now in my collection of alcohol. I can't tell my kids. I I snagged that sucker. I was like, none of you get this. I think I think everyone was so caught up taking pictures with her. I was like, no, no, no, no no, no, no no. The bottle way she walks, and she says, I'm here, bitches, that bitches, and we do something with that bottle. That bottle is still in my house. You were not that

is coming to the house. Hope for all of my pain the season that I have explained, that is my token reward, and she really goes in on people what I have I have never felt. So it's like it's I it's almost like you're so I went almost close to last, and it's like you're watching someone push your friends off a cliff, carrying your friends stream as they go down, and in your head you're saying, I'm next,

I'm next. So the rust Squatch starts where Ashley and you see Me and Carrot hold each other because we're like, oh my god. And so in that moment we all realize she is going to reload and it will be your turn soon. It was so chaotic, it was so chao Oh my god. You can tell that even in the I don't know if it was the preview for the episode or something for next week, but like, Nia is completely thrown and I'm like, if you can like

a thrown off a cliffs, as Wendy says. Now, Wendy we have to ask you the question that we ask all of our lost culture is disgust, which is what was the culture that made you say culture is for you? Bowen? Can you explain more in detail, this is the sort of formative foundational pop culture or that kind of set you off, That was the seed crystal that blossomed into this beautiful lattice of culture in your life. Oh man? Okay, So can I pick more than one? Yes? So too?

Oh man, I have so many. Okay, so I'll do movie and music. Okay, perfect for movie. I you know, I'm a child of an immigrant and I have an older sister, and so why say that While my mom was working it was me and my sister. We often turned to movies to tell us what life could be if my mom worked hard enough. And Clueless that's my favorite movie. Yeah, I just I just watched it the other day because I watched it once a month. Clueless

change in my life. And once I saw that, I saw all how the other side of the world lives for us. You know, we were living in a two bedroom apartment and to see these kids, and to see her go to her closet and push a button and her clothes rotated. I was like, this is amazing and it never left me and I was like, this is this is it? That movie as well as um gosh, I know the song top that Top that I don't really give about topping that? What song is that about?

The girl who the tea? What is it? What is it? What is it is? Wich? That was my listen that movie and The Boy Who Could Fly? Those were like my nineties, like, oh, okay, honestly coolest you know what

it was? I was, I was we were obviously we're all young when that first came out, but just remember the image of Alicia Silverstone in that Jean Paul Guttier like like like plaid ensemble that she had picked out in her computer, and then her walking down and then Dion Stacy dash in that like hat, you know, them walking down and just um talking to each other this way, and then you know, as if like the whole thing

is like it was. It felt like it was just I didn't know why, but it hit me right in my like yeah, I don't I don't know what it was, but I was like I need to know everything. It was so it was so much, you know, it's this timeless.

It created this very timeless fantasy. I mean, you know, it's Jane Austin or whatever, but like it's still this but the image of going to that high school and dressing up that way and like driving through the palm trees, like I just like that is so indelible to everybody, I think, especially people of our age. You know, like what a huge movie now that was. That was huge.

That was major. And and thank you to the casting for making Gone right, for making Dion a woman of color, because too often those movies existed, like you know, you can have you know, the Breakfast Club like those movies, but we didn't, I didn't have representation. But to see Dion, you know in that movie, to see Stacy Dash, it was like, oh wow, this is And also you know, the thing about Dion and Clueless is yes, she is the best friend character, but she also has her own arc.

In fact, we actually know more about Dion's romantic life then we do Shares. And also you know, she has experiences that Share doesn't have. You know, you get that Share like takes a lot of cues from her and from her relationship with Murray played by Donald Faison. And also it's just they have this entire thing going on, and it's it's not just the stock best friend, which, of course, as we know, people of color and queer people often are just the appendage. But that was not

the case with this movie. And it's just it is ahead of its time, and it it Actually it's important for people growing up to see it, because then they recognize, like a diverse group of friends is not just like you know its it exists. It's out there. And I just thought, especially at an affluent school, like that representation

too is just it had to mean a lot. It meant a lot, and for for me and my thirties, the fact that it still sticks with me as a testament to how much it does mean and how much it did me. You know. So yeah, so my music, yes, okay, so I have to. The first would be Little Kim's crush on You video when she switched her freaking way I'm from red to yellow to blue to green, and

she had those contacts in her eyes. Let me tell you, I was in the seventh grade and I said, I don't want to wear glasses anymore, and my mom's, okay, you need contacts. I got the same colored contacts as her at one of them up until college when I finally said okay, enough was enough. Up until college because of her, she literally changed how I viewed fashion, how I viewed sexuality. She just how she just dominated. In that five minute video, I said, this is this is it? Alright.

Second Britney Spears. I loved Britney Spears song. Um, I think it's I'm a Slave for You, where she had the yellow python and she had the jeans below her waist, and then and then she did baby Baby that moved the culture, That moved the culture from me in so many ways, because it's just something about these women who just are so sure and so confident about themselves and just the way in which they are showing the world that I'm owning this space. It's just, oh my gosh,

that those are fantastic answers. Have any have any of you guys seen the Janet Jackson documentary that just came

out through the New York Times? Is that the one that explores the thing with her and justined, Okay, yeah, but basically, like everyone is sort of the setup of it all is just like talking about Janet's career up until the shift when I think, um, it was Control was the album where like things like before that, like her first two albums were very sort of like fulfilling the Joe Jackson like you know, thing of like Okay, it's wholesome, it's you know, it should appeal to all people.

And then Control was when she started to like own her sexuality. And that's when the culture did not know what to do with this black woman who was owning her her physicality this way. And I mean talk about like Little Kim like sort of doing that completely in

this revolutionary way herself. But with the Janet, it was just this thing of like okay, and so of course society is going to pile onto this woman for doing something that falls out of line with what they value, and so of course they're going to side with this man who profits off proximity to black culture and all this stuff highly recommended. But I mean, both Little Kim and Britney Spears, I think fantastic answers and sort of like all and I'm just I was just sort of

fresh off watching this documentary. I'm like, there's something about that time in the culture. I know, we we all talked about like early ots like impactful whatever. But like, little Kim is so major on so many levels, and I still don't think we've processed the impact. We don't give her her flowers. Little Kim is why we're able. You don't bowe, and you and I were having this conversation of us occupying this space and people looking at

us and not knowing what to do with us. Little Kim is why you're able to digest Cardi b Little Kim is why you're able to digest Nicki Minaje. That is she she kicked that door open, and a lot of these women literally oh their entire image to her because there was never a time before that women would wrap, but they were They felt they had to wear men's clothing, like the Queen Latifa's of the world, the empty lights

of the world. They came before her, But Little Kim was the first one to say, I can wrap about this stuff that you know, may seem gangster to some people, but I can do it. Wh I'll be in sexy that's never been done before. So hats off to her. Sometimes I just sit and listen to how many licks, and I just like let it happen to me, And I just like because she's she's going in so hard and it's like you don't think she can heighten it. But the whole song is this build and it just

gets even more. And also that chorus that you get to listen and I'm just like, the whole thing is driving and it's just taking you to Mars. I am obsessed and you're you're right because you know it's it's it's funny that you say Britney spears and also little Kim and in a way, you know, looking at these girls and clueless who you know, we're confident and own themselves. It seems like and sometimes I think like the things that are most important to us are the things that

we need the most. So you, as a young person, was what was the relationship to like I don't know what it is in the culture with your mother, what was their education Aasian relationship to sexuality? Like was it something that you found yourself learning more from outside of of that or like what was that relationship I learned? I we had my mom and I had conversations about what happens to a woman's body as she matures, what

happens if you do have sex? Like what you know, what the result of that is, but as far as my own sexuality, that's something that I had to look to the media for. It wasn't conversations that were that open. And that's why when you guys see me in season six, it's me be liberated too. We started filming the second week of February and I had my surgery the end of January, I believe. So you guys are seeing someone who just got this new body and she's like yes.

And sexuality is something that oftentimes is quailed Nigerian society, especially for females. It doesn't happen as rampant, but they still have female you know, general mutilation in Nigeria when only men should enjoy the spoils of sexuality and women shouldn't. So it's like this sense of ownership. And I feel like I peaked late in life because my friends, I feel like they understood it when they were younger, when they were in their twenties, and I'm just getting into it.

I'm like, oh, yes, I'm loving this, and I'm like I'm like ten years late here, guys, but whatever, because I think I think as as as gay men too, like when you look at especially when we were growing up and this is why I think it's great that there is so much more representation. I mean, it matters in every sense because I mean as a gay man, I'll just say it, like, you don't really figure out how to have sex until you're in your mid to late twenties. Our generation away, Like at least that's how

I can speak for myself. I was unsure of that because we really didn't. Yes, we had sex education, but it was entirely focused on the heterosexual point of view. I mean, there was no there was absolutely no education. You know. Our friend John Early has a joke, I'm in a butcher, But it's like, I think in high school I could have benefited from less trigonometry and more

how to use my butt for sex. Like and it's just like and it's like I identify with that because because we were just kind of like thrown to the wolves, Like, how are you exactly going to learn not just about the mechanics, but about the specifics and the nuances of sexuality if you don't have anyone telling you because either they don't know or it feels taboo, you know what

I mean. I love that, and I think that that's so important for you to say to me as a heterosexual woman, because so many times I'm in these spaces and we have conversations about diversity, and I just think that and I often say this in my meetings. I feel like we put so much emphasis on racial diversity or gender diversity, but we need to understand what it means for people who come from different backgrounds all over and how we're educating them, because like, I never thought

of that. I never thought of sexual education and how that looks at it through one lens, Like I would have never thought about that, And what does that mean for for people who are trying to reconcile, Like I was like, what does sex look like? And for you guys, he didn't even have anything, and that breaks my heart. Oh no, no, no, I promise you. They were talking. It's funny because they were talking about it on the

reel like it was a topic on the reel. It was like one of the hot topics they were saying, Like they were discussing whether or not anal sex should be taught during sex education, and a couple of the hosts were like, this is too much, Like I don't want my child like this feels like a little extra and I feel like there wasn't a voice saying, well, remember that is that is actually how some people have

sex and they don't have another option. So that's just a different perspective I think to look at it, like, of course, like if I'm a heterosexual person with heterosexual children and I think, you know, but sex, I'm like, okay, wait, maybe I'm hesitant, but I do think it's important to voice.

And that's why I think it is. It's it's actually crucial to have more representation in terms of like the voices teaching, you know, just acknowledging the spectrum of sexuality amongst everyone and like radically changing the way that we speak to each other and respecting each other's sexual identities, um, gender identities, et cetera. Because it's not monolithic. And I think that we need to be more respectful, definitely, but absolutely at the baseline, just more aware and more like

as you said before, compassionate about what people need. Dr

Matt correctly. I just think until like we get there in terms of the educational aspect of it, Like I think what Wendy's saying is very after where it's like you are, only a lot of people are getting their sexual sort of context from the media and that's okay, and there's I mean, now it's got I mean, the documentary talks about how even now, like you know, we've gotten much better about empowering women to have to to to be sexually sort of liberated in media, but like

that's sort of the only way a lot of people like figure it out because there's nothing a textbook can teach you about, you know, only having some ownership or you know, autonomy in that no matter what you're gendero is, no matter what kind of sex you have, Like I feel like you might as well watch someone I don't know, like let's just say little Kim like have her tid out at an award show and be like, well, that's that's pretty crazy and cool, Like let me try to

explore that part of myself. I don't know. It is important though, that while I think it's it's not necessarily destructive or or any other way one way or the other, that people get their you know, representation of sexuality in the media. I think that's really why it's important that that representation be responsible and also be be holistic, you know what I mean, Because because I do think that

it's different for women and men. You know what I mean for a woman to say, I'm going to step out like and this is going to be the way

I represent myself. Like, I think that we just have to acknowledge the fact that, like the society treats and we see it in the media, the way that these women are treated and the way that you know, they get disregarded, for example with Janet Like this is why I think, actually it does matter that the textbooks change, It does matter that that it gets um addressed in schools. I think it's actually the response ability of people educating

our young humans to have a more compassionate approach. Because you're talking about the media, Like, yes, I do think it can be empowering, as we're all talking about, but also the media is entertainment industry is a business, and these people, these like corporations and these people that put things together are not necessarily thinking, let me responsibly educate the young people that are going to watch this sexuality.

So I think it does have to be a holistic approach. However, I think are these empowering figures, And I think as we move forward and as we see media change, it is getting more holistic and responsible. I mean, you don't turn on HBO now and every single show has rape. I mean at least as a conversation about like the fact that that needs to change. And um so I think we're getting better, but I do think it's important that education wise, we get more holistic, more respectful, and

more informative in real ways. Absolutely, And just to you know, tree branch off of that. That's why at the reunion when Andy was, you know, saying, what surgery did I have? I informed him, but I also gave like a disclaimer. Women are dying from this, and it was really important for me to find a board certified surgeon because I know the power of this platform and I understand it and it's not lost on me. So I would never want someone to say, I want to do what Wendy did,

but you know, maybe I want to cut costs. Well, I want to be very clear, people are dying. So if you're going to do it, go to a board certified surgeon. Because you know, I think that to what you're saying at media does have a sense of responsibility

for it to be responsible what they are showing. And I definitely felt that in that moment and it's great that they showed you saying that too, because, as you said, they can cut around anything, because then I think you you probably would have been mortified to watch it, and had they not included that, there's a reason why you

said it. Yeah. Thanks, I'm glad at least they including one thing I like, right, it must be so frustrating all but one one more thing we should commend you for before we move on to I don't think so, honey is I'm very glad they did also show you asking Ashley, do you think colorism exists in society? She says yes? Do you think it exists within this friend group? She says no, Like that is the perfect way to sort of isolate her worldview on not her world view

or her view on this show privilege that it. You really kind of honed in on that in a way that I think was fair to her. You were, you gave her an opportunity to clarify what she thought, and she's still she's still kind of talked her way out of this truth. And like Matt says this, I mean a lot of people say this, but each Housewives franchise is about a different thing in society. You know in New York it's about alcoholism, and you religious, well, they

have there's a clear issue with with each thing. And I think that, okay, tell me what each one is real quick. I didn't know that well. I think that the that's something that's very dark in the New York Housewives is they all seem to have a real dependency and they're grappling with alcohol abuse. I mean, I think that it's from the very beginning you've seen these women change and they've all been through divorces and been through hardship and different traumas, and I think that it's something

that threads them all. Is it gets really dark with alcohol. And I think that that's probably the larger conversation that needs to happen with Beverly Hills. I think, you know, there's so much about the cracks in the China, but it's about appearing a certain way but really having um

really one thing go on. I mean, if you go back to the first season, second season, like it's all about how one of the women is being abused physically to the point where she may she may die, and one it gets spoken out loud and then the show takes a turn and it's really about, like, you know, these women speak in their truth in a real way

and not caring what people think. When I watch Potomac, I think that there is there is an issue with colorism, and I think that there there and I every time it comes up on the show, I think, you know, it's almost a shame that there can't be more of a discussion about it, because I do think like me as a viewer, and you know, I'm also very aware of the fact that I'm not the person to lead this discussion, but I do think it should be had. Is you know, um, I think that the darker skinned

women are treated differently than the lighter skinned women. And for you to pose that question to Ashley and for her to shirk the responsibility, I think kind of says it all because what we're not acknowledging is even if she feels she doesn't behave a certain way, she's not taking in the totality of what the experience of being on the show is, which is you guys deal with the viewers and how they treat you as well, and

so you know, only you know that experience. But I do think that there is obviously a difference that's just what I'll say, that's what I never And first of all, thank you that was so well put. Um, But I A, I didn't know that other people noticed it. Like I know that there's a subsection of people who noticed that. I didn't know that all the viewers and if I'm

being very candid, viewers that are not black noticed yes. Yes, And so that's very interesting to me that you have said that, because we just thought that it's something within black culture that we know of, because we have dealt with it our whole lives versus everyone who sees it and they're like, no, there's colorism at play here. So wow, Wow, it did take it coming up on the show, and

like there are I do. I One of my favorite recappers, just Brooke Ashley, and she she's on YouTube and she talks about the show and she makes it a point and she's so frustrated with it that, you know what stops her from enjoying the show often, um, which is a shame. But the fact is, like when I see them get on Canvas and they don't get on Ashley the same way, and they don't get on you know the way that Giselle and Robin can sometimes be the same way. You can't help but notice that that's all

I'll say, you know what I mean, Wow, fascinating. We'll just we'll just leave it at that. Uh, we live it at that and everyone can think about it. So now moving into our iconic segment, I don't think so, honey, which is the cornerstone, the touchstone of lost culturess, where we take one minute to rant against something in culture, pop culture, whatever is grinding your gears because it needs to be addressed correctly as it were. Um, I do have I do have a topic. Okay, this is Matt

rodgerss I don't think so, honey. His time starts now. I don't think so honey. Method acting, girl, This is this is a mess. So I'm reading reviews for the Power of the Dog, which is the new Jane Campion movie with Benn and decumber Batch and Kirsten duns and he says he did not bathe while he was I said, if you have to do that to get into character, I don't think so, honey, that is not method acting.

That does not make you a better actor, That makes you disgusting to be around, that makes you a health hazard, that makes you a safety concern that makes me if I'm Kirsten Dunts very unasy. If I don't want to be around you, if you smell like ass, I don't think so honey method acting Lady Gaga. We need you to be in one piece. We can't have you driving yourself crazy for nine months pretending you're an Italian woman for a house of Gucci, which, by the way, I'm

seeing tonight very excited. Do not drive yourself crazy to go. I got you are already crazy enough. You are just crazy enough that we love you. We don't need you going off the deep. And as you said in Shower, I don't think so honey, method acting girl. I want to talk to you on set. I don't want to talk to Mr Magoo. I don't think so honey. And that's one minute Vera. I'm just saying, like if I was as an actor on set and someone was in character the whole time, like I'm looking at them side

ied because it's like you're not this person. Also, that's what acting is like. I think that everyone does what they need to do to give a good performance, but when it comes to you not bathing for weeks, I'm like, you're not thinking about other people. This is narcissism, ego maniacal. You're only thinking about yourself to to sort of like destroy the boundary between like what you're doing on a

set and what you're doing at home. That I feel like that is slightly dangerous because like, how are I'm just thinking about like Daniel day Lewis being like Abraham Lincoln while he's like chilling on the couch, Like it's like how how is able? How is a Lincoln? That is like the most egregious example to me. I'm like, how does that work like for you as a human being to like process through your your gray matter? Like how are you doing that? Like there's there's something damaging

about that? Potentially. Here's here's the funny thing, Daniel dy Lewis, if you go at home and you're Abraham Lincoln, how does Abraham Lincoln negotiate a microwave? How does Abraham Abraham Lincoln work the Apple TV? So don't pretend like you're Ableham Lincoln. Unless he actually went to go live in a cottage, which I'm not pling it against the girl. Probably she did go live in a cottage with a lantern or whatever. But also Abraham Lincoln lived in the

White House. You can't possibly do that a mess. Everything about it is just all over the place. I don't understand it. And Lady Gaga literally in all her interviews and she's doing she's on quite the press tour for a House of Gucci right now. It's like I lived as her for nine months and I almost broke and when I went home, I never real character And I'm just like to be a fly on the wall while she walks around her apartment like as this woman, Like

what does that even mean? Like in your quiet moments, are you losing your mind? I would go crazy, And I'm just like, I can't get past the bathing thing, like because then you're just not thinking about your colleagues and you become someone who I would go to hr about, to be honest. But but the entertainment industry gets away

with murder because we cater to these egos. And I'm like, I heard the performances great, and I can't wait to see the movie, so we love it, um bowen, I iconically don't know where my phone is, Okay, so it is your time to do I don't think so, honey, and I will I will time you from here, but so you go, this is Bowen Yang's I don't think so, honey. His time starts now. I don't think so, honey, Les

Moon Vez. If you do watch this Jane Jackson documentary, they make the case very convincingly that the whole fall out, the whole reason why her career was sort of created, was because of him, because he was so egomaniacal to demand an apology from her for what happened, for all these FEC finds whatever. The FEC chairman ten years and two thousand and fourteen said, the reaction was overblown and for for less moon Best to be the person who took a hammer to Janet Jackson's career and destroyed it,

just shattered. It is unforgivable to me, just as unforgivable. I'm not going to make this compared to to to quantify this, but as unforgivable as all the sexual assaults that he's sort of toxically poisoned the culture at CBS with um what a small small man, Julie ted Moonvez standing by his husband, her husband. You're so so so awful, just to true true, like simping for the white man. You're you're You're shamed, you You're you're truly I'm ashamed for you as an Asian person. Do you know what

I'm saying? And that I went seconds, one minute and ten seconds. But you know what got a little cons whenever Julie Chen Muvez, we have the opportunity to roast her. You know, I'm on you know we're roasting her. And I say this as a Viacom's CDs employee, lesbian Vez. I mean, truly despicable human being, one of the most despicable human beings in the world, and luckily he's banished from society. And I guess Justin nimber League finally did

offer that like limptic apology. Well, no, it's so funny and I just want to say they like they like put Justin's apology on uh you know, a text thing on the documentary, and it's so ironic that he says I want to apologie. Well this is what he said. I apologize to both Britney Spears and Janet Jackson individually. I mean that sentence doesn't make anyone, doesn't make any sense because what you've done is you've lumped them together,

one together, perfect apologies. What are anyway. That's just my thought. We know when do you agree? Do agrees? Okay? Okay, well this this is gonna be a moment for a life. As Nicki Minaje one said, because when CEO is going to do and I don't think so, honey, do you have something in mind? I can go off the top of my head. I guess something. I want yea because you I mean because baby, okay, rehearsal, no rehearsal, need dead. This is we're going live. Dr weend steps. I don't

think so many her time starts. Now. I'm really get antied of all of these celebrities who continue to go to space, like Michael straighthand like, why is your going to space? I am leaving for people to stop this. So my issue is this space is one of these things that should be discovered and looked at by other people. Why is the only people who are in the top tier of society they get to take their little remedy as on this rocket and go up. I want to go to the space. I think people want to go

to space. People in Oregon want to go to space. Why don't we sign up for people to go to space? And we want everybody to get like their COVID vaccine and stuff like that. Hello, yes, we want people to get the COVID see, but the same talk. In the same way you guys are forcing people to get their back seat, you should be having the same people signed up to go to space. If I get back seating a free trip to space, maybe that would work. If I get a booster, do I go to space? I

don't think so funny? So do you guys allow us to go to space? I think that we should get something, maybe if we turkey, maybe something for Christmas. But what I do not like is these ragney as celebrities continue to go to space. No, herny oh that was the best of all time, Right they get to go to Why point of contention for me? You want to go to space? No? I don't. But I just want to know that other people beside these rich people can go

to space. It's not fair when they go up do they get upon the goal and come back down and we don't know about it? Like? What is up there? Why do you there? What'sn't there? Wait? Michael Strahan wants to go. I miss going today. He's going to space? Right,

come on, here's the thing. What did Michael Strahan do in the beginning of his career that qualified him to do all these other things, Like he's like a daytime host, he's going to space, he's doing okay and yes, okay, Well if anyone if eventually there might come a day where Dr Wendy would want to actually go to space and if and we just hope and pray that you have that access when that day comes. Because you dewife and on Lost Coach, first Housewife and it's more to

my utility though I love it. Oh my god, I have to tell you this was so enjoyable. It was so great to get to know you a little bit better because we are, like we said, such fans on the show and everything that even though sometimes they edit it in a certain way, I just want to let's let you know, like it's coming across. You really do carry the light and we're big, big, big fans. Well,

thank you so much. I'm for ever grateful to everyone who watches the show, and for ever grateful to you guys who just give me positivity because it is not something that is for the faith of heart, so you know, you slide it in my d M made my week. So thank you for being a light to us. I appreciate you, but Wendy True made my a week. Thank you so much for thank you. We do end every episode with a song, and it's gonna, it's gonna. What

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