LangTime Chat, Episode 7: Conlang Game (David’s Conlangs)

I did it based only on the information I could find on your wiki page. So, This is gonna be great. David J. Peterson: Okay. David J. Peterson: Okay, we're going to you're going to guess what language it is But you don't have to guess what I'm saying. Because like I get it if you can guess what I'm saying. Then you get bonus points and we'll figure out points at the end.

So this is going to be challenging. By the way, for people listening for three big reasons. The first is that David has a lot of languages. So that there's options. The second is that my translations may be totally wrong. You know, There's the wiki doesn't even have like all the grammar information so David J. Peterson: I I've been having a time trying to figure out how I want to format it David J. Peterson: A lot of laughter

Yeah, with the effort, but also the formatting. I can imagine would be a nightmare, especially knowing and people listening. What will likely know because Surely you've watched the live stream. You know what the document looks like in trying to think of how that would work on a wiki page like kind of make gives me a headache, just thinking about it. Okay, so now the third reason this is going to be difficult. Is because I'm pronouncing it

Which means goodness only knows what what's going to come out. And so then after you have your guests. I've written some like questions and if you have any features you want to share About the language that you find cool and I can tell you what I find cool Will do that. David J. Peterson: Today, I'm already laughing. So this is going to be horrible.

David J. Peterson: Yeah, I'm gonna be so embarrassed. I mean, hopefully I'm just hoping that there's going to be a key word that I recognize it will clue me in. I'm just Looking always You always have the out to say, Oh, your pronunciation David J. Peterson: Yeah, you wrote it down and JP, I assume they Jesse phonetic alphabet.

Um, no. That would have been smart, it would have been smart to also use IPA, because sometimes I forget going back and forth between the Roman is a day. So that would have been smart, but I did, however, in multi syllable words underline the syllable. I should be putting the stress on David J. Peterson: Okay. And work because we're gonna find out if that worked for me.

David J. Peterson: Because, you know, some of those are actually real world room innovations, so like they don't always do the things I do because they actually have some cachet in the real world. Yeah. So like I said, real interesting. David J. Peterson: All right. Alright. Alright. David J. Peterson: Are we ready. Yes. Game case. I gotta try not to laugh while I'm doing this. This is serious. Alright, sentence number one.

Use three C's. Don't lose the new leaf Brinker I think I held my breath while I said that too. David J. Peterson: Okay, so that's that's definitely true. Get a sign so that you gave me an easy one first and that's What I did. David J. Peterson: And that's, that's your, your little sister. David J. Peterson: And then something your eyes, but I missed the verb. Yes, okay. Don't this. Yeah. David J. Peterson: Yeah. David J. Peterson: And then loose. Yeah.

In New York blinker Don't lose a new leaf blinker Okay. David J. Peterson: Okay, so I mean that that's not actually a complete verb. It needs. The other part of it. So okay, so that was my question. And it was in square brackets. Because I want to talk satellites with you. Yeah. So I think the satellite would be out so lose some new things out.

David J. Peterson: So yeah, I'd say just she she fried or something to that effect. What's a newly newly Newly blinker David J. Peterson: Newly blank so said, something's eyes so it, it opened David J. Peterson: The little sister opened the eyes of the David J. Peterson: New the green oh oh oh she opened her own eyes. She opened her green eyes. Is that right, yes, yes. Holy crap. You're good, okay. David J. Peterson: So, I know so

I did it without the satellite because in reading I cheat. Well, I didn't cheat. But this one actually has a very extensive grammar on a fandom page. Yeah. And so I looked up information there because all the grammar stuff is not All in the wiki, or maybe it was your tumbler that I found I don't remember, but I read about satellites with the verbs.

And so for anyone wondering what I'm talking about with satellite, the verb was loose out and the algos at the end, like if you're familiar with German kind of getting separable prefixes kind of things.

But on a site. It said a verb that is agent initiated motion or causation will not have the satellite. So I didn't know if I wanted the interpretation that she purposefully opened her eyes would I leave the satellite off or is this a verb that always has a satellite David J. Peterson: I will have to look up David J. Peterson: Who wrote that and what exactly they're writing and why because that's just completely wrong. Ah, so it's probably on the fandom page. David J. Peterson: Yeah, since

Since I wrote down like kind of a quote there. That's what I was quoting from. So yeah, it was probably on the fandom page. David J. Peterson: But the thing is, that's not coming from know where that came from somewhere that came from somewhere. And so I need to figure out where that came from. David J. Peterson: Because that's David J. Peterson: That's just not correct.

David J. Peterson: That's just not correct. Now you got it. You have to have it in there. It's, it's essentially two parts of the same bird. It's it'd be kind of, I mean, David J. Peterson: This system of course comes directly from English comes directly from it. And so that's how we have with the verb like take where take mean something by itself.

David J. Peterson: But take in means something different ticket means something different. Take out means something different, taking off means something different. David J. Peterson: Take off can mean two different SOMETHING DIFFERENCE IN FACT, right. David J. Peterson: Or two different takeoffs David J. Peterson: And in those cases, you can't simply remove those prepositions. David J. Peterson: Right, like David J. Peterson: You know, saying like

David J. Peterson: The rocket took yesterday because there was nothing else just wouldn't mean anything. So with with triggers, like most of the time. David J. Peterson: That it's simply got rid of any usage of the English verb that didn't have David J. Peterson: That associated preposition. It was just no longer a preposition. David J. Peterson: More like kind of an adverb.

would always be at the end versus how right now our current version of English you would if it's a pronoun. It has to go before it so like take Our side it has to go after. So like take out the trash versus take it out. You can't say take out it. Like will it always be at the end, or is it still movable in tremendously. David J. Peterson: It's movable, but it's not movable in the same way that it is an English so David J. Peterson: It's default position is at the end.

David J. Peterson: Okay, that doesn't change by verb, which it kind of does with English right David J. Peterson: Right, it is subset. It is susceptible to have a shift. David J. Peterson: And also, it moves when you want to forget of its emphasize or focus or whatever the object so David J. Peterson: The object. David J. Peterson: Is more in focus. It comes last.

Okay, and with the heavy movement. Does that mean if I had like a really heavy object that I would put the that little satellite before the object is that Yes. Okay. David J. Peterson: Okay. Exactly. David J. Peterson: Wanted to make Sure, I was understanding that correctly. David J. Peterson: Yeah, by the way, another little fun factoid about that. So we were coming up one day we were coming for the bunch of

David J. Peterson: Words for colors. So this is me and the the fans that triggered us links that crew. David J. Peterson: And when it came to green. I thought you know New Leaf because, you know, a new leaf is green, but also it's a very rare almost impossible could never happen in any other language shout out to my agency New Leaf literary David J. Peterson: Nice like and what language, could I ever do that in here, it actually made sense. And so

Is awesome. So I also because I was going through The Dictionary And so this is like the most backward thing. You can imagine while you're trying to translate something I essentially like started with the noun entries and just kept clicking on nouns until I found some that would work together and would make sense in one sentence. So like this is how I can post But like one of the entries that I was immediately drawn to just because of how it sounded was freak trainer.

And that one I found interesting. Just because, by the way, I'm I've never actually seen the show. It's something that I do want to watch, but like I remember you warning me that me with my sensitivities to gore may not be able to watch the whole thing with Isaac. And so I'm fascinated by the language. So at some point I will just watch it, just so I can hear it.

But that one in particular caught my eye. I couldn't figure out how to work it into a sentence because that's just really random because it means like somebody who didn't get the radiation, like it's a very specific thing for the show. And that one was cool, because like you talked about all the different variations of coming up with the word and how it ended up actually being somebody from the show itself.

Who put it together. And I just, I thought that was really neat to see all the different possibilities that it could have been along the way. David J. Peterson: Oh yeah, that has happened several times where, you know, I've been asked on the show. It's like, hey, give us a word for this and I saw like so I say, Okay, here's that word in the like can you get some variance. It's like, this isn't, this isn't a priori con line like

David J. Peterson: This English, right, what, what do you want me to do. I can't. I just can't invent English words so I try my best. It's a Real flesh words every day. You can see when David J. Peterson: I blow that but so the problem is like I forgot my chair is broken. I can't lean back. David J. Peterson: flip out for Me a good lean back, left though so David J. Peterson: But

David J. Peterson: It's it's a fun exercise because it requires you to stretch your brain because it's like, hey, we need a word for this and it's like, well, this is the most obvious word. And they're like, I like the sound of that. Can you do something else. David J. Peterson: And it's like, this is your own language you're working with. And so you're just trying to stretch your brain to think what what possible other associations, can I draw to somehow approach this term.

Was the source like your best friend at that point. David J. Peterson: What did I often do Because I feel like that would have Been what I did. David J. Peterson: Or you know what some sometimes. Gosh, and this was the. This was the worst. There were some times where I changed the word, even though it was really good and perfect David J. Peterson: Because of the lamest David J. Peterson: possible reasons. One of them being that in in triggered a saying right sh just makes the show sound.

David J. Peterson: So very simply. David J. Peterson: However, it also compounds and so there can be instances. David J. Peterson: Where you get a word, ending with S and a word, beginning with age. And in fact, it would happen a lot when I was trying to come up with different type of words, his head as the word for the commander. David J. Peterson: And they have at various times wanted different words for, like, you know, commander of death commander a blood and so on.

David J. Peterson: Sure. And so it's like I tried like okay this word makes sense. And then I see S H next to each other. And I'm like, goodness gracious. David J. Peterson: What am I putting it apostrophe between these David J. Peterson: Are hyphen. Hyphen total hyphen. That would have been a problem too, with th right because doesn't does trigger this lane still have the th the theta.

David J. Peterson: It does have th but it generally David J. Peterson: It that wouldn't be an issue because there wouldn't be a word, ending with tea. David J. Peterson: Okay, wait. David J. Peterson: No, no. Yeah, you're right, it would be a problem with tha as well. No, you're right, you're absolutely right. It just never happened to occur. All those all those little graph things that we Run up the diagram I need to. I should call them. My grass. Okay, so that was triggered display.

Yeah, did you have anything else to add before I go to language. Number two. David J. Peterson: Oh, I'll also just add that link is one of my oldest words it was David J. Peterson: Like a part of the very first David J. Peterson: Sentence I created for them when I was coming up with an example. David J. Peterson: Before like what I was thinking it for the sound and then they heard it in there like whoa that's way too much change it. Change it. I like that word glinka

Yeah, fine, although it oddly and not this is gonna be the weirdest thing that it reminded me of but just go with it. Whenever I saw the word. The first thing that popped in my head, and I've never seen it. I've only heard about the show is the Peaky Blinders And I don't know why, but when I saw that I was like oh my gosh, it's like blinders blinkers, I don't know, like, I don't know why. Maybe it was just because the sounds. If you put them all together, eventually you get blinker

David J. Peterson: That has been on my watch list for like two years. I really want to see it. I haven't seen it either. I've been told that it's amazing. It's just, again, my inability to watch Certain gory things. Okay. David J. Peterson: We'll watch it together Blinky blinkers In my blinkers will be closed the entire time. So you can just tell me what I'm missing. David J. Peterson: blinkers up It would be Lucy blinker out David J. Peterson: That's it. That's it.

Okay, I'm practically a native. All right, here's the next one. And Okay, I should have practiced this. Okay. I've got this fully patched Cushing humor. David J. Peterson: I recognize that one. That is a that is David J. Peterson: What you would call it shoot you lish David J. Peterson: Chronicles

David J. Peterson: And that one, that one is a fun one cat hair. Can I ask you a favor. Can you either hold up that card or type it into the chat. I'll give you, I'll give you my read on it. Here we go. David J. Peterson: Oh ok, so that should be families. David J. Peterson: Who lead. Okay.

David J. Peterson: Is that they need to leave his key she she met if he need. Wow. I don't even recognize that last word. So David J. Peterson: So yeah, I know that that first one should be families because you're saying a friend. Yeah. David J. Peterson: And so David J. Peterson: It has an evocative days. That's a bar in case I miss know that David J. Peterson: Yeah, the bucket events and sure David J. Peterson: And then David J. Peterson: Recognized

David J. Peterson: Humor. That's it. It's a preposition means like inside right I'm over. It's a suppressive David J. Peterson: Over David J. Peterson: To yeah I was way off. All right. That's a preposition. David J. Peterson: Yeah, good sleep. It's probably to do right and that's just an infinitive looks like. It isn't infinitive. It's not to do. To get or grab David J. Peterson: Okay, for the pitch QC okay and that's definitely an accusative, so that's nice.

David J. Peterson: Shame. I don't recognize that I kind of remember creating it. It's a fun word, isn't it. Yes. David J. Peterson: Oh my god. Like I just keep holding the card closer, like maybe that'll help David J. Peterson: Anytime never going to get David J. Peterson: Any I'm never gonna get i'll tell you that right now. He or she David J. Peterson: Is it like snowball David J. Peterson: Yes, yes. Oh my god. So many bonus points right now.

David J. Peterson: Okay. So it is noble, but it's Plural object so David J. Peterson: It's no course snowballs right And then a hip. Is bow or branch. In the object case in the object for A hint. David J. Peterson: Are you sure are you sure that looks like a nominative plural. Well, now I need to normal check. Just a second. I thought so, who, and I still have the website pulled up. But let me just, you know, dance on over to you lish um So that one was one of the nouns.

I'll go there to shorten down my list of possibilities. And It is nominative plural. That is so unfortunate. It should be I in David J. Peterson: OK, and then it wasn't intended to be indefinite as opposed to definite Yeah. Not really, I just forgot to write that down when I was taking notes. So it would be if it were the branch, it would be a hand enough We'll go ahead and make it that because that's cute. Oh, you say it so much better.

And I put the stress on the wrong syllable not really helping myself and I do want to check the prepositions for humor. And then Yeah. Let's see, yet over or above. David J. Peterson: Okay, so David J. Peterson: So it's like grab grab the David J. Peterson: Grab the snowballs above the branches. David J. Peterson: Yeah okay so I wanted under I wanted under the branches.

But I couldn't find the word for under so it became over like the branches on the ground and the snow balls are on top of it. Just go with it. David J. Peterson: Yeah, no, it's probably because there isn't a word for under David J. Peterson: I'll get there one day but ok so the verb should be in the imperative. Because I did not find that information.

On what verb form should be. And so one of my questions was, I didn't know how to inflict the verb forums, but that would be fully Oh, full that that Total David J. Peterson: Good luck. Has a David J. Peterson: It always has a Gemini. OK. David J. Peterson: So the internet and it always has a Gemini. David J. Peterson: Right. Uh huh. Yeah. I just wanted to make sure that I wasn't missing something unless. Oh my gosh. Yeah. Anyone

anyone listening. Make sure you click on the, you know, expand button for the contribution. As I like embarrassingly trout my head like, though I did not even try to click on the expand until just now. And then this big, beautiful chart opens up and that would have been the information that I needed. David J. Peterson: Yeah i thought that i did conjugation for that one. I haven't done conjugation tables for most of the verbs, because it's really difficult but

David J. Peterson: When I thought it would be easy. So I did. Okay, so this one. Okay, this language. David J. Peterson: Is this. I mean, it was designed for you know elves in a kid's Christmas movie. So it was supposed to be, you know, cute. And actually, when I do My own sorry your direct quote was warm and fuzzy David J. Peterson: Go. There we go.

David J. Peterson: And when I when I do my own read. I actually do my little l Elvin accent. So, you know, David J. Peterson: That you know David J. Peterson: You seem So on. That is amazing. David J. Peterson: Yeah. For the first movie. I actually did get to record some lines with the group when I was there. So I'm in the movie. I'm one of the people saying

Are you for real. Yeah. That's awesome. And wait can we back up a second because you said first. Is there a second David J. Peterson: Oh, I mean there is, but I don't remember if I was supposed to say that I may need to do a little, little blip out David J. Peterson: Let's find out. Let's find out. David J. Peterson: I mean, yeah, it's it's it's been announced coming out, December. Yay. Oh, that's exciting. Okay, cool. David J. Peterson: Yeah, so, um, so yeah I did that.

Who I don't need to edit anything. I was like, David J. Peterson: That guy. David J. Peterson: So, David J. Peterson: So the. Now, I noticed that one of the flaws of IPA in general. David J. Peterson: Is of golf course, everybody knows one of the flaws is intonation. But when it comes to stress. So this is definitely a stress system. There's no way with IPA to I think adequately indicate how stress works.

David J. Peterson: Which is that David J. Peterson: The David J. Peterson: I've been saying that the stress syllable is the last syllable and generally the way it is, is the second to last syllable. David J. Peterson: Is actually stressed. David J. Peterson: But there is a rise on the last syllable. Okay. David J. Peterson: So it's like heskey she

David J. Peterson: And in fact, if you look at the language. More often than not, the second to last syllable has either a long bell or Kota which allows you to kind of put that emphasis in there. The right way. David J. Peterson: The only exception to that is imperatives where it's absolutely stress on the first syllable. David J. Peterson: Not Okay. Okay, yeah.

Gotcha. Yeah, one of the words that I had wanted to try to figure out how to put in there and it's probably a good thing. I didn't, because now I'm even like in my head, trying to say it. was quiet wash David J. Peterson: Wash Followed by a W. Quiet wash David J. Peterson: Closet KH W. Yeah. David J. Peterson: Okay hw a sh K David J. Peterson: Yeah, question. Oh, you get the Class. Okay, there we go. Um noise. David J. Peterson: Yeah.

So probably the good thing because that one was a tough one. Okay, so then the other thing was that I couldn't necessarily find and I'm not going to say it doesn't mean it's not on there because you saw I didn't click on expand so Goodness knows what else. I missed was word order. And so I just guessed that it was a VO word order based on like a couple of examples. I saw

David J. Peterson: It's actually usually the verb comes at the end. But for Imperative sentences, the verb comes first. So you did put the verb in the right place. David J. Peterson: Yeah. David J. Peterson: So, but yeah. For like ordinary ordinary sentences. Yeah, the verb verb does come at the end. So it's basically sob. Okay okay so awesome. You did another great job. I can't believe you knew any of those words, quite frankly,

David J. Peterson: I remember a family because it's like I came up with it for friend and I thought it was kind of cute, but I also thought it was just didn't work at all. I don't know. It reminded me of something else. It Might be a family. David J. Peterson: Family that's oh that's maybe that's why it sounds nice. But it's all warm and fuzzy. Okay. Here we go. Wait, let me underline Where I know I was supposed to underline Okay. I'm right now. I'm not yes I David J. Peterson: Agree.

Geeta new Seema Heaney on Gila David J. Peterson: Okay, so that's definitely that's definitely muntjac kin. David J. Peterson: City. David J. Peterson: Yes. I mean, it's got the word. It's got the word seem on it. So, of course, you know that word. I didn't invent David J. Peterson: That word was in the script from day one. So somebody else invented it. So, Seema Seema and jack kin were and then that total met dog that was. Those were the only words that were in the original script.

David J. Peterson: That. But yeah, he would you say that the Gila it's two different words. David J. Peterson: Oh see more viewer. Okay. David J. Peterson: Okay. Oh, sorry. I keep moving it as soon as you start reading David J. Peterson: Here we go. Lucy more Heaney on Gila That's definitely what I said. David J. Peterson: I love this language. David J. Peterson: And is it. Are you sure it's see more and not see more Um, I probably underline the wrong thing.

David J. Peterson: Let's take a look. Oh, no. David J. Peterson: auto correct, don't do that. Don't you hate that. It thinks it knows what you want. Yeah. Okay, so David J. Peterson: Really that David J. Peterson: No, no, you have it right, according to that but Okay, do David J. Peterson: I have it wrong in the web page. Now I gotta look it up because that it's not usual I will just say Okay. So no Emily, it would be similar.

David J. Peterson: Yeah. Ordinarily, it's, it's pretty like it's it's pretty much always penultimate stress unless there's some special reason that it should not be and I David J. Peterson: Invented special reasons for it to not be David J. Peterson: A see more. I have wrong in the webpage. My bad. I will fix it. Thank you. You're welcome. See, that's what I'm here for. Will have to do more of these. Let's find out. David J. Peterson: Here a word I gotta fix that.

Okay, so in this language. By the way, I looked up and found a quote from you. You describe it or use it for how you described it. David J. Peterson: Yeah. I love this a language that sounds at time like a pinball machine and other times, like a babbling brook in a stony pond. David J. Peterson: What on earth. David J. Peterson: If I, if I didn't know that I had never done a drug in my life, I would ask what drugs I on when I came up with that. I was like, how do you have a broke in upon

David J. Peterson: I yeah I'm wondering that myself pinball machine seems kind of accurate. I don't know about the second one. Did I do this for like press or something. I think it was an interview, I'd have to look it up. I just remember trying to like look at more information and finding that I'm David J. Peterson: A mess. David J. Peterson: Let me ask, I must have been asked to do something like that. I eat those things I eat with a passion.

And then you come up with a babbling brook in Estonia upon Now, It's not pulling anything I've had to figure out where I found that. It's, um, David J. Peterson: It's not the worst thing I've ever done. David J. Peterson: There was a interview I did for David J. Peterson: Like a video thing I did, I think it was for variety or something like that. David J. Peterson: Or it may be

David J. Peterson: Something else. And they had, you know, in depth discussion of, like, you know what you can do with language. And so I was talking about now in classes and I was gonna say like, but

David J. Peterson: I think it was talking about gender and language but it's like it doesn't have to just be male and female, it can be other things like this and this and this and this. And one of the things I said was big versus large David J. Peterson: I met some all We sure sure but you know sometimes David J. Peterson: They even put a little graphic up there. So it says big large And that's even better.

David J. Peterson: Oh, it's humiliating like Sorry, I'm still trying to find where I found this and I can't remember. And also it's like Really really weird that my search algorithms are different than like on my on this computer than they are on my home computer because like it's trying to give me like natural language results and trying to find natural languages that look like the name when ducking and It's so bizarre to me.

Where was it David J. Peterson: It is David J. Peterson: This is something I sent this is something I sent to the actors. Oh, it was a guide. That's right. There was like a little Yeah pronunciation guide a two page thing. Now I remember looking at it. David J. Peterson: And look at that. If you go to the second page. David J. Peterson: Under practice under bow sequences, look where it has this dress for see more. Ah. Oh, it sure does. Do you think the wiki is wrong.

David J. Peterson: Oh yeah, no, the wiki is wrong. I made a Mistake. I looked at it. But yeah, it should be similar. Okay. David J. Peterson: Yeah, so I sent this to the actors. And so, yes, I made up something I also evidently ended a the first sentence with the broken a Stony Point thing with two periods on accident. Yeah, I thought maybe you were just doing a fancy shortened ellipses. David J. Peterson: No, I absolutely would never do that.

David J. Peterson: Oh goodness gracious. That's one of the most embarrassing things I've ever put my name, my good Well, we are we are just done here. Yeah. David J. Peterson: Anyway, by the way, I have no idea what that sentence means I don't Well, that's okay because I made it pretty random Okay. So, Well, first of all, do you know any of the words.

David J. Peterson: To the dirty martini. And I can tell you what the proto form for news. I know it has a name in there. I remember that. So that's the CMO is, which of course on is David J. Peterson: genitive, or it can also be David J. Peterson: An orange marker. I think that he might be bunny. Is that right, David J. Peterson: It is, yeah. So the, the David J. Peterson: I the I have no idea Gila is it rock. So Gila is actually if it were in isolation would be key walk the

David J. Peterson: Walk. Yeah. David J. Peterson: Yes. And the name On causes voicing so on Gila and that is the word for a woman. David J. Peterson: Us a word for women. That's a recent when I created because I was when I was adding stuff to the wiki, I realized that the language is didn't have a word for women. So now it says, and then okay so G is an adverb. And It means net now. Did I put it into place.

David J. Peterson: I mean, you can always go to the front of. It's like that. So the woman gave a rabbit to the witch or give It's actually The verb to new means to help Help. So the which helped be woman's rabbit. David J. Peterson: The rabbit or the woman. David J. Peterson: Okay, yes. Okay. There were definitely need to be some extra grammatical stuff in there.

David J. Peterson: Sure, I think, Seema should probably come last because I think it's VO s Okay, so this is it's not listed on the wiki. David J. Peterson: As far as I know. It could be in a list that I just didn't click Expand So I just did it based on examples, and I thought it was be so based on the examples I could find. But I also was not 100% sure with that. So I, I went with David J. Peterson: Its David J. Peterson: So this, this language.

David J. Peterson: This language tries to conspire to always have one argument on the verb. David J. Peterson: Okay, tries to rearrange things so that it only has one argument. David J. Peterson: So like it would do things to David J. Peterson: stuff around David J. Peterson: And incidentally, it makes it very difficult if you're going from examples to try to figure things out. David J. Peterson: And also the agreement. David J. Peterson: Was trying to do it too. And also with the examples.

Some of them were with kind of quirky verbs. And so I wasn't sure because it was like one of the because not every word in You know, in the vocabulary actually has an utterance associated with it. And so like one of them that I found for magic because magic was one of the words I have pulled that I was trying to use, but I just couldn't work it in. But it was like, you know, magic has existed in the kingdom or whatever. And so it's like exist is a really weird for

In many languages. And so I was going, based on that. And then there was like one other sentence I was comparing that to because it also have magic in it. But again, it was with another verb, and I can't remember what it was, but it was another one of those verbs, where it's like How does the language work with you know how I didn't know which how the language exactly worked with it. So I was just going with VSO question mark. Which may not be correct.

Okay. And by the way, in case I haven't made it clear, I feel like I've said it multiple times. But they need to bring that show back and I love them and check in. Okay, so I feel like the listeners needed to hear that. David J. Peterson: It's one of my David J. Peterson: Favorites, too. It's my. It was my attempt at Comic Con. We done right. Um, okay. So I'm going to sketch show you my next card cuz David J. Peterson: Number four.

Number four, I tried to get a translation and I read a lot and I clicked a lot and I went around in circles, a lot. And this is all it i i left card was cast a THON question mark, exclamation point, because I couldn't figure out how to translate a single darn thing into the language. You can just like I'm like okay, it's an SOV language. I found that out by reading that one actually has quite a bit of grammar on the wiki.

But then, every now and I looked up there was like a noun form, but also a flood form. And I was like, Well, shoot. What's this, what form and then like I couldn't find it quickly. And then there's all these different steps. There's three different stems, which if I had time to like really dive into the grammar. I could have figured out the three different stems, but

I kind of put doing these translations off until last night. And so, you know, like sitting there like I how much time do I want to spend on cast of fun. Before I just go in a very big spiral down grammar things. So can you tell me what's a flood form. David J. Peterson: So in in caster, then the idea was that, and this is the this is the cannon story that we eventually ended up with

David J. Peterson: The cast of things were originally from Planet Castillo, which, you know, whatever. But apparently at one point in time, they came and conquered the planet Iran where the reference were and took it over. David J. Peterson: The people who did so we're they kind of thought of themselves as like kind of

David J. Peterson: American style 1776 patriots when they were really pretty bad colonizers. And so what happened was, at this point in time in a language. There was a conscious shift in vocabulary, not in grammar.

David J. Peterson: Where they just started talking about things differently to reflect their, you know, hyper nationalistic worldview that everybody that came over to the new planet bought into David J. Peterson: And what happened with people that remained on the old planet is an interesting

David J. Peterson: Question that the series never really delved into. So because of that, David J. Peterson: When people spoke from then on, they tried to actively use this new vocabulary is this new way of thinking and new way of being.

David J. Peterson: Okay, as they were presented themselves as cultural superiors, however, of course, language is language. So when they would get pissed off, they would David J. Peterson: Dip back into the old language and so David J. Peterson: My cyphy premise was that children who were raised hearing this just believe that there were two different vocabularies David J. Peterson: Okay, the one that you used in everyday life. And the one that you only use when you were really upset.

David J. Peterson: And so these David J. Peterson: Were called the flood forms when you have a flood of emotion that comes out and it brings it David J. Peterson: To the surface. David J. Peterson: And they were partially triggered by David J. Peterson: The usage of old pronouns, all of which were phased out. Okay. Okay, so I will say in the vocabulary that is in the wiki, most of what I could have said to you would have been vulgar. I was not finding a lot of noun options. That weren't insults.

That weren't flood forums. And so I was like, maybe I'll stick with tween between me getting confused on what what the forums are trying to tell me and then having a difficult time working through because it's one of the noun class dictionaries. And so it's just difficult to try to read on a small screen to figure out Yeah, oh, you know, all the different forms and how they go together. David J. Peterson: So let me, let me tell you about this grammar, because I was kind of proud of it.

David J. Peterson: The, the final forms for nouns and also reverts arose from an older state of the language where that allowed quotas and at one point in time that just became disallowed. David J. Peterson: So you couldn't have word final kowtows you couldn't have word internal code as David J. Peterson: They evolve them again, you can have word internal causes, but you still couldn't have word final quotas.

David J. Peterson: And so something that kind of grew out of this pressure was a David J. Peterson: Not really a case system, but more like a definite nervous system, there was David J. Peterson: No, kind of like definite marketing and definite marketing and then there was a evocative David J. Peterson: Just use when you were talking directly to somebody and that was the EU form. And that's why the general citation form always sends an Uber. Oh, because final you dropped out.

David J. Peterson: For the others, though, when that system died. What was retained was the combination of a post position with one of these forms and specific in a specific meaning so David J. Peterson: Every now and it's tagged with a post position, kind of like in Japanese outside of certain circumstances.

David J. Peterson: And so in order to produce a sentence in this language. I mean, you just take the verb and conjugate it over and then you decide. All right, what's, what are the arguments. What are their roles, find the post positions and see what terminal form that post position assign Okay. That sounds so easy. David J. Peterson: It is so much easier than a Raphael. David J. Peterson: You just get used to it. So, I feel it all makes

Sense like hearing you say that like things that I read in the grammar clicking together now about cast on that. It's like okay I get where these forms come from and you know if this weren't surprised. I would have called you and been like, just tell me what's going on.

But then I did momentarily. I was like, Well, I want to do it defiance language. So I did go over to her at the end. But there wasn't much information there on the wiki yet. And it wasn't anything that I could Translate enough to make sense out of so defiance is only represented by my question mark. So that's that one. Okay, we're on the fifth and final Okay. Okay, this one is also going to be problematic for me. Okay. This one. Oh, I also need to say this one is only a phrase.

Or not a sentence. But it's a big phrase. Got it heirloom coo coo neighbor, so I already did it backwards. Let's start over heirloom low poo poo neighbors who Did you could argue Kamal David J. Peterson: I guess that's that's got to be David J. Peterson: The Shepherd's Issue. Sure is. David J. Peterson: Whoa. Okay so pronounce it for me because this is awful. David J. Peterson: heirloom coo coo neighbors who get you could wear, go check. Oh. That was so much more beautiful than what I did. Okay.

So, This is now we have a couple problems here why According to a Tumblr post that you wrote verbs are super complex and so they're not going up yet on the wiki. Yep. So there's literally like one verte. They were only one for entry and it was all different forms of the auxiliary for like to be. Yeah. So that was not helpful. Um, so I decided to do like a noun phrase with like nouns and adjectives tied together with like and. But here's the problem.

I couldn't find where adjectives went relative to the noun. And so I just assumed a noun adjective word order to go with what is slightly more type of logically frequent slightly could go the other way. It's incredible. David J. Peterson: Though, that's correct. You got it right. That is, oh yeah and then I shoved the And in between each one. David J. Peterson: Okay. So, yeah.

And yeah. David J. Peterson: I recognize some of these words I recognize four of these words, but I can't tell you what they mean. At all. Okay, like David J. Peterson: Okay. Who is that round that David J. Peterson: Should matter. Oh, versus in here I'm David J. Peterson: Sad losers. Yes, yes. Okay. And then loyal boo is flat. Flat. Flat Earth. David J. Peterson: ladders and It's literally flat land because it's not just Earth. So I wasn't trying to be a flat or here.

I like to. I like keep kicking under David J. Peterson: Yeah, like nebojsa kids you I no idea. I don't Doubt. One is, oh, and this one again just having fun with what I can find. So this is quiet fog. David J. Peterson: Oh, that's nice. David J. Peterson: Neighbors never because yeah because this is opposite your, your, you should be David J. Peterson: Some of this where the door is that door. Oh, it's gate. David J. Peterson: Gate. That's it comes from the same route that gives us door.

Tim, can you Jimmy son. Holy David J. Peterson: Holy ah David J. Peterson: Yes, holy Holy gate. So Flatland quiet fog and holy gate. Yeah. Okay, so this one. I'm curious. To know because again, like what I found on a Tumblr post of yours was simply the quote that verbs are very complex. And so I was curious. What, like, what are you know obviously not all of the complex features, because I'm sure there's a lot. But what makes them complex. What makes them complex

David J. Peterson: So the verbs came from P productive European and the only thing that I'm flex. I didn't say anything actually for Penny Dreadful. The only thing that I'm flex is the accelerate which comes at the end of the sentence. And then the content verb itself comes to the beginning of the sentence. David J. Peterson: Okay, it's kind of sandwich with verbs and and the verb at the beginning is a David J. Peterson: It's a, it's a participle.

David J. Peterson: It comes, it comes from P i p particles. David J. Peterson: And I don't get them. David J. Peterson: Okay. Like, and that's David J. Peterson: And they're very difficult to form these martyrs balls. David J. Peterson: But it's like I definitively wrote up a post like somewhere in my grammar that says this is what all the combinations me so I did it somewhere. Okay.

David J. Peterson: I mean in terms of remembering it. I was just lucky that most of the time I was writing commands in that language made it nice and easy. That is much better. Um, but yeah. So I decided not even to try to look up verbs after I saw that posting that they were complex. I was like, you know what a noun phrases. Good. Word and so everything there's a lot In by a lot. I mean, every single word on my cartoons and who Is that intentional.

David J. Peterson: I mean it's nominative So, okay. David J. Peterson: Yeah, so that that case it's, it's the same thing comes from pro average a frame my bro Afro Asiatic or Semitic comes from Semitic where it's you know the the usual thing where the EU is nominative is accusative, and he is genitive Okay. And so with the adjectives agree. I mean, they do here because I had them into an Uber will do the adjectives then agree with the noun.

David J. Peterson: Yeah, they agree and agree in case in number. Okay, I'm Just gonna do in Arabic. David J. Peterson: And it, but when I say genitive, it also just had to construct state. David J. Peterson: I forget how the E part works. But you know, it's just like in a Katy into, I think it was, I think it was genitive and Acadian wasn't it I'm just smiling. David J. Peterson: Sure. We're gonna get we're gonna get it right now.

David J. Peterson: I dress Acadian grammar morphology case. There we go. Yep nominative genitive accusative and there ended in EMS so David J. Peterson: What's this king, probably so sharp David J. Peterson: As nominative Charlene is genitive shatter them is accusative, and then they have only two duels, I guess nominative an oblique. And same for plural shabu is the nominative plural and shouty is the oblique plural. Cool. Nice. Very David J. Peterson: Good.

Well, you have done astoundingly well at my game, given that you had no idea. I was doing this and that some of my pronunciation. So rather fanciful David J. Peterson: Pretty good. You did pretty good. I David J. Peterson: I was tickled to death by that when you said that. What a charming idea. Well, I hope everyone else had fun. That was really that was our whole thing and it has been about an hour as well so Yeah, that was that is our entire episode.

David J. Peterson: Yeah, I mean I guess we should just say something, I don't know. David J. Peterson: Either topical or personal I mean, I was just going back through it gitane new CMO kini on us. That's how I want to end my Because it has a bunny in it, which is, you know, totally connected with what we're doing. David J. Peterson: Here I've got a question for you. Okay, you David J. Peterson: Did you have a phase where were you were really excited. Anytime Val Kilmer movie came out.

Not really. Not really. I'm trying to think I'd like I am trying to think of what during his big time. David J. Peterson: Talk on tombstone. The St Batman Forever. No, like, I mean, I was aware of Val Kilmer thought he was good looking didn't mind watching them. It's in movies but like I wasn't I didn't follow him. Matt Damon came out with a new movie. I had that phase. David J. Peterson: That was later. Wasn't that college for us.

Yeah, would have started around 98 so late high school because Good Will Hunting came out in 98 David J. Peterson: Yeah. David J. Peterson: But then I suppose what once you were in college, you could actually get to a theater. Yes. Yeah, there was actually a theater in town at that point. So, David J. Peterson: What an exciting time Jesse in the fall of 1999 what must have been like, do you see electric lights first time. First time ever running water, like what is that

Oh, um, yeah. I mean, by the time I was driving, we would carpool like we would shove six of us into a car and and you know carpool to a movie. So, you know, totally saw movies and I saw Titanic in the theater three times so Also Aaliyah Rio phrase. Yeah phrase. Not phrase, but phase. One. David J. Peterson: We saw it once, but like David J. Peterson: When I say we thought it was 10 of us. David J. Peterson: It was good. David J. Peterson: It was a, like a quintupled group date.

I will say that the three times that I saw it in the theater was over, like, a year and a half, because if you recall it came out in like December of 97 and then it was still playing and like may of 99 so I didn't watch it three times. Back to back it was more like, oh, it's still in the theater. Six months later. So let's go see it again and then I would like go see it again. And so, yeah, it was out forever. Was that Justin small rural areas.

David J. Peterson: No. David J. Peterson: No, that was that was everywhere that was everywhere. I just realized like, wait, maybe that was just because we were at the theater where Yet two screens. Back in the day when we could pay $2 and 50 cents to go see a movie. Those days are gone. David J. Peterson: Yeah, so as as we close. I got a little treat for those on video. Oh, hey. Okay, so is, is that just Relman curled up by a blanket or is there are there two cats there.

David J. Peterson: No, he isn't he is amongst pillows. David J. Peterson: And there was a stuffed rabbit above him. I do see the brightly colored stuffed rabbit. There was just a bump to the well to what I think is the left of Roman that I couldn't tell if that was nope. It is not even black. It is blue. The lady. Okay. So yeah, not a blue cat. David J. Peterson: Meridian calls the rabbit. David J. Peterson: Flap, sir.

Sir, I like that we need flaps to be a word, not In that form, obviously we can't but Something like it. David J. Peterson: It could be almost it could almost be a cast within word for laps. That would be four laps. That would be the perfect form of something. It could be a verb. And I would assume it's a verb. David J. Peterson: There is no word for to hop in cast it then. David J. Peterson: But there is now. Perfect. What made you think about Kilmer, by the way.

David J. Peterson: Um, I don't know. I WAS JUST I WAS LOOKING AT YOUR HAIRCUT. I was like, huh, good hair. David J. Peterson: Things that we haven't talked about usually the past the 90s. Oh, Val Kilmer yeah good hair. He did have good hair. Yes, he did. And did you ever watch psych Know, Unfortunate great show. But David J. Peterson: A crime dramas.

But it's kind of comedy drama anyway um so insight. There's like this running gag where they talk about Val Kilmer all the time. And at the very end of the final episode Val Kilmer makes a cameo. David J. Peterson: Oh, that's nice. And it's great. They also in the final episode because do a hill looks like. Oh my gosh, I can't think of his name. He's the actor who plays Kenny on Because we show he plays booed David J. Peterson: He's the same actor Know they look alike.

David J. Peterson: And so, people always People always confuse them and Deon Richmond. That's who it is. And so in the final episode deion Richmond was there too. And when you see them side by side. You like okay, I see why people confuse David J. Peterson: Okay. David J. Peterson: You just, you just dropped two major spoilers from last season side. Thank you. Sure, I can drop Mark Do you want more. David J. Peterson: I think David J. Peterson: I think, I think.

David J. Peterson: Good watches side. Maybe I need to go. You should. Oh, and there's like in the first season. There's an episode about a spelling bee. David J. Peterson: You're pro spelling things Why wouldn't I be there. David J. Peterson: Oh, I'm anti spelling bees. David J. Peterson: This will be our last Podcast. What's wrong with a good spelling bee. David J. Peterson: Let's listen. Let's save this will save this production.

Okay. Well, Well, that'd be enough fodder for an entire hour David J. Peterson: No, but you know So I need to come up with some backup ideas. Okay, I didn't, I didn't know if like your rant would go on so long that, you know, all I would have to do is say spelling bee and then it would be over.

David J. Peterson: And I just, I felt bad because like we had like we had, we had basically finished this podcast all set. Exactly. An hour but then I was like, oh, but we didn't talk about personal stuff. And now I'm just dragging This is also how most of our conversations go David J. Peterson: This is true, this is true. This chair is chair. Okay, so now for real, then I think we're ready to say to say thank you and stay grammar and goodbye. Did you have anything to add.

David J. Peterson: No, just David J. Peterson: Brother. David J. Peterson: You know what, you know what kids stay hydrated. That's very important, especially right now if if like here you're undergoing a heat wave. So yeah. Yes. Very, very important. Okay, so now We'll say farewell. I do. David J. Peterson: You later.