LangTime Chat, Episode 27: Fun with Fauna

But there will be a PDF of a keynote presentation available as a downloadable resource and if you're watching this on the video, then you get to see it and so yeah if you're looking at it, then you know that today's topic is uh let's talk animals colon fun with fauna, really. Is this is the main title that's the subtitle where's the colon it's understood it's implicit academic titles have colons between a title and subtitle I see I see.

that's how we how we roll, and let me ask, are you how we crawl if we weren't in all caps which words which letters would be capitalized in which would not be capitalized. Well, depends on where you're publishing and where you're presenting in a lot of cases, the main title, so the lt and a from let's talk animals all be capitalized but then the subtitle only the initial F of fun would be capitalized because this title.

It depends, it really you have to follow whatever guidelines they give you I would not do that, I actually only capitalize the first letter most titles. yeah, and this is where David leaves okay so. I have crossed the line.

Okay, you are literally sitting back body language arms crossed, you are you're so out of this from the capitalization just do this dirt i'm just here, so I don't get fine Oh yes, because there is a very big fine there's already a fine because the reason we're late is your fault. Wait why.

i'm just i'm just trying to lay the blame on you for this being a weekly Okay, but you admit that it was your fault, no, no i'm saying is your fault i'm trying to be nice it wasn't my fault listen I made today's entire presentation. On the rain Oh yes, it was the race I think it's a plane last week so we're good, and we can blame him thunder we can blame it on the rain stars.

Oh, my you need to warn a podcast before you do that, because they may have their volume up and like no i'm sorry here's the best part, though of course if we were a real podcast with a fancy production team. They would just edit that out, in fact, the producer would say all right let's take that over go back from this and one and 321 and then we would just take it back.

we've been end up doing a bunch of retakes and instead you get David sneezing with the echo of all of our instruments right behind us yeah I know. we're great we'd end up being one of those every one of those people I don't know we've been in one of these situations where they're like you know today we're going to talk. let's talk and you know what i'm going to reject that today we're going to talk let's talk, you know what i'm going to retake that you know, maybe if you've been with us.

Now i've never been one of those people i'm more of a look at this lie, have you ever have you ever done a thing with one of those. I do live thing I don't like it anyway, I don't like it anyway, we are, we are doing a thing on talk let's no wait let's redo this we are doing a thing.

yeah we're talking animals today we're having some food with ELENA okay so we're talking about animal names and I am providing a lot of examples and then i'm totally putting David on the spot, to add more on the fly I don't have any so you're welcome yeah.

Okay. Of course the first strategy that i'm just going to lay out there is, you can make a basic group for it, but this is the least interesting strategy because it's like if you have a basic group for the animal what you're saying or insect or whatever it is. What you're saying is it's like so super common that they had to have a specific name for that, because it was so it was like such a big part of their environment.

But like there's not much to say other than some animal names or basic roots let's go to step 0.5 what we're going to be talking about is creating words. for animals that's the fun with fun it right, I would hope so okay just thought I should state that, as a comm link podcasts I just thought I should state that.

Okay anyway okay so make assuming assuming you have some sort of environment in mind and there's animals around your speaker yeah and they need names yeah one strategy is to make a basic word for it yeah. How dare you embarrass me, I know you know I i'm gonna i'm going to tell you this i'm going to tell you this and i'm going to admit this freely since. since very few people will hear this podcast well they'll eventually hear it in several months.

We still haven't and by we I mean me, I still haven't put season three podcasts up on that in the marathon okay so. I am guilty of having most of my animals be this and, in fact, if you were wondering why earlier today at dinner I had so many. So many tidbits about trout just at my fingertips, it was because I came across the high valerian word for travel, which is big or which is just a root means trout I love it, I mean.

I know that is one strategy, yes, one strategy, but there's not much to say about it it's not much to say about it it's probably not common. It so it depends because of it again if it is something common to daily life. Then it is common because, like what you will find is that it's like they trace it back and it's like well this just meant this and I was finding that a lot.

As I was searching for example is especially where it was just like you look at the etymology and the etymology means the animal name and you're like. Oh so there's not much to say about it other than is just always meant that. Until yeah it does happen, but where you wouldn't expect it to happen is if they are introduced to new planet, you know, like whether an animal is brought into the area by another group.

Or whether the speakers go out into a new region where suddenly there are new animals and it's like things they've never seen before. they're not going to to create a new route for it they're going to create a word for it, or a term or maybe use an old route where it's like if they move to a new area and there's like all of this animal, but none of this animal anymore.

They may just be like well that looks close enough we're just going to start calling it this and then the old term is now obsolete for the old animal so. Like but you're going to do something to give a name to those things, and so we're going to be talking about some animal names and some fun places. beyond just like hey there's a route for it, by the way, a folksy imagining of this was done by Mark Twain.

who wrote a short story about Adam and Eve, and how you know the way Twain writes it Adam was just enjoying life and then he came along and started. Taking all of the animals that were around she would pick one up and say your name is going to be this and she would write it down and give it a name and send it along he's like. he's like Why are you doing this it's like they need names yeah they give names they doing names I don't agree with them.

All right, so one strategy if it's a common thing give it a basic group, but if it's not common. Or if it's something that it's like sort of on their periphery of existence, or something new to them let's talk new. Okay, so strategy to this is, they need a new word. They could make an analogy to another animal so, in other words like give one animal a name that's actually based on a description, using the name of a common animal.

And this would be a route, by the way, like the other animal will probably be a basic group because it's like we have this common word. And so, for example, now of course if you're following along on the the presentation you're about to see. Oh, I don't know if it's an angry looking Hippo or a you are taking my picture Hippo it's a Hippo that needs a big hug around his neck, but there are several hippos emerging from the water, of course, Hippo is short for hippopotamus.

And the reason i'm using this particular example is that our word hippopotamuses of course borrowed because you know, like we're English was natively spoken there were no hippos. And so the word is borrowed from Greek and it's from a compound literally meaning river horse and so like this is a loose connection because it's like when you look at a Hippo.

it's not really a horse they live in water, so you get the River part right so that makes sense, but really the closest that they come to a horse is that they have a snow and like to not huge yeah not small ears. And they're strong horses are strong. hippos are strong and so, but it's like that's really the only connection, are you looking at pictures of horses no I am I was. going to show you what this reminds me of, and I will show it on the podcast maybe JESSICA just share it.

But what this reminds me of is maybe it was a joke on the market, part of the Greeks, they was kind of like the buff dojo mean. Because it's like basically you know the the actual shiba inu there looks like a horse is the equivalent of a horse and a hippopotamus is a version of the buff those there so maybe they're like you know. resource and river horse, the big horse yeah um but yeah like this was so popular, though, by the way, that like.

So many other languages were like well that's a good compound, and so they count it and so really Armenian I know i'm going to just do my best, because I couldn't find pronunciation some of these. So Armenian something like a touchy Danish flow test and finish via the Hippo all literally break down to mean river horse wow and so, and these are like from different family well family branches from different families in the case of finish.

And they took that idea and but, again, none of them would have I really don't think any of these would have needed, we had a word. For it bow in their language and so they were borrowing this idea of like, how do we talk about these animals Oh well, we'll do with the Greek said and call it a river horse honestly if none of these guys seen a pig like a pig is much closer this thing that this needs to be.

I don't know what you're thinking ballclub the closest thing is a rhino but they didn't have rhinos if they didn't have hippos they didn't have rhinos and so. that's really unhelpful David yeah but I i'd say pig is closer than horse these things don't look anything like horses. But that's really interesting because, like this is not the only example they didn't know you're it's either so they wouldn't know about horses on steroids.

This is not the only example i'm going to show you because later i'm going to randomly give some examples where it's like oh hey, and this was an analogy to another animal. That happens actually quite a bit where it's like it's obviously not a one for one match and so that's really cool because it's like as you're trying to think about like. Well, what if they have this kind of animal or they encounter this you know, even if it's an earthy animal whatever it is.

You can be creative and how you make these analogies it doesn't have to be a direct like obvious match, and so this is, I think, a good starting point where it's like the the match is not obvious but it's. Okay, David is just shaking his head like I just don't know where to think about early humans, sometimes they were pretty smart sometimes they seem pretty dumb I don't know. I don't I don't buy this I don't buy this.

i'm going to mean if you see this emerging and all you have is like the concept of maybe, of course, emerging from water, and this is like the student that did no work in your class the entire year and shows up the day of the final and it's like an oral presentation. They were supposed to be working on it for weeks and they're like Okay, so what is your word for this animal they're like ticket. river horse. And they're like fine i'll give you a see they're like yes, you know what if they had.

river cow I feel would be a better I feel like cow is a better than horse, because then you get the bulk you get the ox really would be better, but I don't know if they had ox ox Either that, or they just hated horses and thought they were really dumb. Whatever the recent well not dumb I mean they're strong they're big they're strong they're.

clumsy water but I don't know, maybe you know, maybe this is also that I don't have it a personal experience, we have a bottom says, but, honestly, from the sounds of it, they didn't either. Well, we have more examples we could stay here wild and wonderful animal is just in appropriately named. let's hope I did a transition slide because I can't see what's coming next oh boy, here comes strategy three.

So maybe you're not going to make an analogy to another animal again i'm going to give a couple random examples later it's going to tie in with examples i'm giving but strategy three is to say what color is it unless let's name it by its color yeah, and so this one, I did for David. that's right there's this huge evolve because David really likes beavers and so you brood animal that's right and so here, it is, and I found what I think is a really cute picture of what and so.

I wanted to showcase that and So here we go beaver in English and in a lot of other languages, a lot of Indo European languages ultimately derives from a proto Indo European root meaning Brown. It just needs from this might be coming somewhere later, but isn't it also the origin of the word for.

It is it's not coming later I was just going to mention it that, like actually it's the same route that through different applications and sound changes beaver and bear actually come from the same P yeah, and so they both mean brown so it's literally something like the brown one. Is is what you're going to be calling them and, as you can see, they are in lovely shade of Brown.

Multiple lovely shades of Brown and so it was just like hey it's the brown one I think if you're going to come up with a good name for it be where you could build it off of route for loyal because that's what beavers are. Well, other languages are industrious shows different rounds charming majestic. fun side notes Armenians word is your sorry I ruined that but it breaks down into water dog, so this is an example where it's like let's make an analogy to another animal.

And they compared it to a dog and it's a wonder dog yeah and so that's the word for beaver in Armenian and Greek actually had. Like so there are two different words for beaver in Greek. um and one of them is costing us because the other one was was based on the brown route, but then the other one that I found was cost us, and it is based on a root meaning would, and that makes sense because that's like what they.

say to him yeah and so and also what is Brown, so I don't know, maybe it is still a brown play, but it could also be like hey we associate them with wood yeah. And so, those are our beavers do you actually like you say most of your words in your con links end up being roots and so like have you done any creative words for beaver since it's your favorite animal or have you just.

Given every sure, like, I have to have a word honestly, I think that I only have a word for beaver in one language, and that would be made Davey. If I have it in another one, it would be, it would be dealer would just be utilizing the noun classes, but yeah I don't think that I have a word for beaver in. Anything else to be honest, I even death rocky, but when valerian have this little water.

aquatic they certainly would and could and should, but I don't think they do we need to rectify that yeah I do here i'm going to try to find it as I remember how to where is it. where's the where's the thing it was just I got drive and it should be in languages, and it should be here shouldn't know know whichever languages, it should be here. Now, in languages, here it is, why is it I know some file huh.

Anyway, so david's looking now, mind you, I asked you if David before this podcast because I warned him what the topic was but I didn't give him any of the examples. But I was like hey do you need your laptop over here so that way you can look up examples and he was like no I don't because I got my phone. As he's. My font loaded on my phone well, I am very impressed, are you looking for the English yeah. Okay, so he's scrolling so let's see there made it to the B section.

There it is what is it best fun so let's see Fen that's just I know automatically that's the small mammal route so let's see what vest is. And, of course, this is NGO or alphabetical order because I thought that was such a cool thing to do, wasn't yeah where the heck is the Navi is close to the beginning, I think. Are. You search. searching is a pain in the butt on the iPhone version of pages.

i'm really sorry to hear that we're getting close so David still scrolling but if you're looking at the power, no it's not a PowerPoint and keynote presentation, I need to get used to saying keynote. If you're looking at it just keep enjoying this beautiful little picture it's kind of a large picture, actually, I want to be cast as large as can be.

So oh that's right vegetable is tree oh so it's a tree mammal yeah Okay, so you did like a great kind of yeah forest woods tender firewood would branch. Cigarette wow really must be the only any branch This must be the only language i've ever had a word for a cigarette and something I didn't not partake and do not condone. But yeah I know i'm pretty sure that that would be the last language, I have a word for ether and.

And, and of course immediately, what I want to do is go create a high valerian word for beaver. And I think it'd probably be based on rabbit like a tooth rabbit. Because they're more like rabbits than dogs yeah What about a water at them. or a rabbit well what happened we've I guess we've gotten this far, but the word for otter there's two words for otter in high valerian.

One of them is ocean cat and the other is river cat well that's delightful yeah I believe one moment please while you're that's right look at my next one yeah animal I was going to talk about was otter because i'm looking at the water dog example specifically from our minion oh. Sorry, do you want to keep going with this, or do you want to hear the word for beaver and I believe in to death rocky what is it, so this is it's just its own root.

And the root is Sally Sally, and this is because my beaver that I had since I was three years old, I gave it a name, when I was in kindergarten when I was six years old. And that name was solid in this very and my mother said, do you mean Sali and I said no Sol a. Nice and so that's the word for beaver and he, of course, by the way, means a stuffed animal yeah he does not have an actual pet.

I just want to share that out good but no stuffed animal I still have it anyway, but so if you recall, on the last slide I mentioned Armenian has this word that means water dog I was like that makes me think of an otter. So, then, I looked up origins for otter and I found a couple interesting ones. In an ancient Greek the word was cool meaning water snake, so the word for otter in Ancient Greek was water snake oh my God that's actually he did I that's what gives us Hydra.

That was the word for otter oh my God yeah wow and most Indo European forms of the word, though, for otter come from. Just something simply meaning of the water and where it comes from an English yeah yeah the word otter in English traces back to the Indo European root meaning water and like it essentially grammatically breaks down to just like. thing of the water of the water and so it's you know that association with where they live and so that is definitely a strong association, but.

i'm so adorable Okay, so that that's all to say, those are some some strategies we've got like five more have no fear, all right yeah we've got more and I will mention that. Really, quick and fourth and fifth grade, I think I told you about this, but my teacher, Mrs Jean drum she had a time where we read, and it was called otter time otter stood for our time to enjoy reading that's amazing.

That is amazing so that's another etymology our time to enjoy reading and, of course, look he looks like he's reading a book or getting ready to. wish we had a picture of an otter was holding a book instead of a Shell or Raj well that's just just downright adorable Okay, so this was part of all part of.

Random side notes on strategy 323 okay Another example is donkey because the best guess of the words origin for a lot of Indo European languages, including English specifically this one traces English. Is that it means miniature done horse were done is a root, meaning a brownish Gray color and then it actually had to diminutive suffixes Och in E, so it was done AKI.

And then that that shortened to donkey hmm and so that is one that is the best guess like unfortunately a lot of these words are so old that it's really difficult. And, of course, then I looked up because, in English, we can also say jackass right which is specifically a male donkey, by the way, yeah. And that's because ass is another word for donkey coming from us, the news in Latin, which was the word for donkey.

And way back in Latin stages like even earlier Latin stages, it was already a derogatory term for like a person and so already that term was being applied to people, which I found interesting so it's like not only did we borrow the word, but we also borrowed the the derogatory form. And then the jack portion of it was like what made it me I like jack rabbit yeah lumberjack.

And jackass I don't know and so so that was kind of interesting too, but like so a lot of what I found where a lot of the languages, you could either see. The form donkey in it, or you could see that I see news route in it the other ones, some of them a lot of these, where I was like super excited to chase down other origins. They just ended up being donkey like that was the route and I was like Oh, really.

Because if it's a common enough animal again, but I did find some interesting things so this one is based on color, which was a color association. But in other languages it that that that strategy for you could come up with a name based on books, other than color and for example chickasaw.

hex rubbish fella literally means long year Oh, and so that's cool right, and this also associates, I know you have a word and high valerian for donkey, indeed, and it means so there it comes it's who none name. And it comes from two words coolness which means rabbit and and a which means horse and so it's a rabbit horse referring to there years.

And so, not only is it an analogy based on other animals to in this case, but it's based on looks because it's it looks like a type of course, but it also has those long. They very much are rabid here Sunday and I chose I knew that that was your word i'm going to be honest, so I specifically chosen image that really showcase those rabbit style ears, because I mean this donkey is like.

Such a rabbit horse yeah and you know it's funny is that the the two glyphs used to spell it in high valerian or the glyphs for rabbit and with her horse and when they're put to Catherine they look like you know people do like a Halloween costume with a horse. it's like it's like somebody the backside and somebody that's amazing that is amazing. Okay, so you could like come up with a word based on color but you could also think you know what does it look like other than.

You know, like you can do animal analogies but you could also like what features really stand out about it, and of course here that your stand out. But you could also think about what items are they associated with and in Dalmatian which was an older, it was related to romance languages. Some word that was the word in the language, it came from late Latin Sigmar use which breaks down into a drive now meaning thing with the saddle.

And so it was a saddled animal and so like that that's another thing it's like if this is a useful animal to them that they associate it with a thing or an instrument, you could actually end up using the. The noun that instrument that thing as a name for the animal it's kind of hilarious it's like what's that thing with a saddle. Worse, I don't know the thing with the settle.

course, how could you think horse who would put a saddle on a horse listen donkeys are the pack animals horses you rode bear back for a long time settles were much later thing for writing. But, but you loaded donkeys down. With Why would you put a satellite if you're going to load it I feel like the early saddles we're not writing saddles Okay, I may be wrong i'm really just making this up as I go Okay, but it feels really right. Maybe they just like to eat saddles.

Oh, that would be really funny. They renamed the subtle thing because it all the saddles in the barn always gotta settle in its mouth. This one is obviously not a saddle donkey but it's such a cute little tiny looks like a very, very down to really is it really needs to be petted and breaston been loved.

So adorable and it's and again if you're not looking at the image it's in the mountains it's like on a on a. hillside meadow in the mountains very referred donkey It really is scruffy dog he looks like he likes to be scratched with beautiful rabbit ears, we cannot, we cannot stress that enough. So those are some more associations, I feel like i've flown through those examples and part of me is like slow down, we have another half hour to go.

The other part of me is, but you have more samples, and surely David will have something interesting to say no. can never count on you. so sad alright, so another strategy is thinking about how does it move yeah what does it do and so here, if I remember correctly, on what slightest next. Oh yes, Okay, so I did this one first okay I forgot about that. So this is obviously you can tell from david's reaction a raccoon. And again, I was going for you know solid images and David wants to hug him.

very, very cute little raccoon. And the word in English was actually borrowed from an indigenous language, which I thought was actually a different language, but in the etymology was listed as a poet on word. I thought it came from a different I thought it was like alcohol queen or something, but I could have just missed remembered that.

And it was like our version raccoon comes from a longer word that I know i'm gonna mispronounce but like something like our human something like that, but it literally means he. My little things in the way he scratches with something. happen to remember, I think it's the scratches with them, but oh my gosh our little video panelists and the way yeah you can't you're done there once you just open it up on your why don't you just open up on your phone.

Because that's gonna like no no just look at it, this is going to take a minute, meanwhile, what are you doing word for well i'm going to tell you to look up. He scratches with his hands, that is literally what it means okay yeah the video panel was in the way on my screen I don't know if it'll be in your way when you look at this.

But it means he scratches with his hands and before you pull that up because I know you're still looking I want to give one more example Okay, because the German word. Is wash bear bosh bosh bosh baer sorry. And so that one I of course found delightful because it's that same idea it's like you know because raccoons are are often seen with their their hands running over their faces.

And so again associated with a movement, and in this case associated with another animal which is like little bear okay What was your example that you pulled up, so the word for raccoon and trigger this thing, of course, is snatcher. Like a little yeah at one point in time at at at the old classic I presented with sliding this you know snatch and know snatch and.

That would be a fox that a raccoon it was a record with fox wiping sweat it was no no fox was slapper let me, let me, let me double check, but I got it. Oh, my gosh there was a word for yellow That was a sponge Bob no oh my gosh so many pop culture references, this is very good fox is swept that's amazing okay so snatch and swept. I like it, but, of course, based on like movement associations and what they do so, you know thinking about what they do so is that what.

Is this kind of like where it comes from me they see them like you know cleaning themselves a lot, the last about yeah they look a little bear Washington themselves. A little bears and the sentence, the cutest darn raccoons ever existed, the earlier sentence, you know he scratches with his hands is is obviously just a third person pronoun just means scratch with hands. So it does not make reference to another animal it's just being that scratches means Okay, so I thought, those are rather cute.

Some movement association, so are much more straightforward and so they don't have to be. I almost said fun, but that sounds so rude but they don't have to be things where it's like. It can also just be like oh yeah that's totally what they do. For instance, this beautiful bird what does it do. That would be sound not movement.

slides okay it flies and I got this example from David so he knew exactly where I was going because he's going to pronounce this Arabic word for me well, you, this was an IPA all the others were no authority, I should have just given you the Arabic. Arabic word for bird is his law. And that comes from the verb for fly, which is thought or a long, so the the the Western if you're wondering is tall yeah and then era.

And so, then it disappears in the you know, in the in the past tense so it's all results in a long Alice there, but that first one, Paul is that pattern. is the same as just any agent of noun so cut the bus to write Khatib is writer, so you know thought is to fly ball it bird flyer literally just means flare no man that's what they do. And then I hey or insect The fly is also named for what it does, that it is fly.

And it kind of makes me feel that Arabic is a more beautiful language than English it's like now flying it's a very evocative notion, and so what is a flyer one Arabic it's a bird is beautiful in English it's a fly, which is just. Knowing. Beautiful in its own. But that's also interesting though because way you can know is that these these associations are you take it from there um you know, like flying, especially the color associations, like Brown.

could be associated with so many different things, and so it's like really kind of interesting how different languages, attach those notions and. I don't know I feel like that's really kind of cool that. We we end up getting like you know, a root essentially meaning fly becoming associated with such different creatures as an insect you know the fly, and then a bird.

which also flies, but it could also be like a bee or a net or a Tara dental anything else that flies and now, at this point i'm just stalling until David gets back so that was that was birdman. So our next example I had to wait till you sat back down so you can see, the next example. Because some movement associations are kind of delightful. And so okay so we're dealing with a cricket and I was like listen I don't want a picture of a cricket in the middle of my presentation it's wrong crickets.

I do not like to look at them, and so I decided instead to pull up an image of the lucky cricket from Milan and so it's a cricket. But it's a very cute cartoon cricket know Tom Tom one SEC, well, I was looking for images to try viewers might not know what a cricket I think the lucky cricket is the best cricket you're ever going to see. You know Gemini is right here now, I did look up Gemini but Gemini look too much like a grasshopper because, as the Green.

Now here we go see that's your standard cricket that's your standard cricket and these guys these guys are, let me tell you they are lucky bugs referencing Milan, let me tell you what happened to me in. batches 11th grade or 12th grade. You know it's gonna kill me if I don't remember this right, no, it was either 11th or 12th grade, but I was on America Online, as we all were at that time.

Having a chat with various people, as we did at that time because it's like we had the Internet, why wouldn't we be chatting and anyway, I was chatting with this guy jake abramson he'll remember this. And I turn around i'm like there's a cricket in the House, and he texts me back kill it, and so I go to the bookshelf and grab the largest book, I can find which was born piece of the time and I drop it from a significant height directly onto the cricket.

I pick up the book cricket hops away, I was like this is a magical animal I will never do harm to a cricket again so long as I live and I haven't. You better hope there's never a cricket in our House and I. Anyway, i'm the lucky cricket for move on now, this name, I will say that this little Adam ology is delightful because there's a romance fruit, which is. Green so it shows up in all lot of different languages and it's based on Latin grew this.

Which is believed to be borrowed from ancient Greek grew close meaning performer in an Egyptian dance a comic figure or a caricature, and so I like to think, then, it was just this like they're bouncing around and it's delightful and.

So, like a little dancer man, so I have to tell you, if you want to get if you want to make your way into the lexicon it pays to be an actor, I mean we have cricket we have pants you know sure that's the only two I got off top my head, but I know there are more that's a lot. So other languages, though, have different Association for crickets are you saying strategy number seven sound association i'm going back to the.

And so the word for cricket including English is word is a lot of them are based on the sound they make, and so brown crickets don't make sound, I should point out black crickets do. don't need about Of course they do know the the straight up brown crickets yes that's how we know they're in the House, those are the black crickets the darker crickets there.

No anyway, you don't have those type of crickets here okay well i'm just saying the black crickets are the ones that make noises and then the little brown cricket you use for fishing don't make noise know they absolutely do make noise. They absolutely do make noise but seriously they don't. that's how you know they're in the House, no, we never used when the brown crickets around the House fairly new in the black crickets were in the House now you know the black cricket saying.

You see cuz it around crickets just jumped in scared you have to death, see because they get trapped in that silent, they get trapped in the House, and they get panicky and they go, you know. And it's like first of all it's a horrible limitation, it is not because that's the sound they make, and then like anywhere you go yeah.

You get up to try to let these things out, but then they go silent and it's like I need to be able to find you to let you out cricket keep making your noise okay well Missouri crickets are different than California crickets because the black cricket saying they don't panic they sing. All them you find them or any color there's any regardless, though it is a high pitched no no i'm not even gonna pretend like there's a cricket in here i'm not in here i'm out there.

No, no it's really silent out there and and Slavic languages, by the way, have a root meaning to squeak that a lot of their languages so a lot of the languages in the Slavic branch. Have a route based on to squeak including Polish. So, how would you say that Polish. Okay there's nothing to issue we're making. Okay cheers oh no Polish the w's are pronounced like these, and then the S Z CZ is is the equivalent of the.

Of the Russian you know show with the with the with the tooth or without the tooth I don't know and so, then. And then the S with a with a with a little acute accent there's just a version of shots so she. finished Nice. My bad huh. Okay, so brown crickets are quiet through to adulthood. I just played you there noise from Wikipedia. And the females are always quiet. males mega chirping sound by rubbing their legs to go after their adults when they're not adults, they don't.

Because they don't have any life experience i've got no stories to tell. Okay. Well, listen, I know that the black crickets make noise, the brown ones, the Missouri we're always silent, we never knew they were in the House, they just jumped and it was terrifying. anyway. They jumped for joy. I hope. that's why I wanted to have a cartoon cricket and think about comic dancers, I want, I wanted to be delightful.

i'm not so delighted by crickets okay so that's another thing think about what noise they make, and how you might have some sort of onomatopoeia. As a side note what's really funny okay so there's just like a fun little story, one of my friends kids they were like I think seven at the time and there's a cricket and house and.

It was making noise, and so the kid by to his mom is like Why is why is that cricket cricket and he was like What do you mean like you won't shut up, why do they always have to be creaking. Because he really thought that creek was the verb for what sounding made and then that was rather cute cricket cricket. Anyway, but that is the origin, that is the origin there creaking Okay, but you could also strategy eight if your world has a connection to some strong sense of mythology or for folklore.

You could actually end up getting animal names from that, and so I found a couple of examples here that I thought were kind of interesting, including Another thing I did not want a picture of it my show. So I chose a cartoon image of a Python wearing glasses on right I get that I figured that you wouldn't be afraid of these things anymore, since you've mastered them. I mean, I know what you've done.

even know what you mean by that I think you do, I do not, I think it involves a lawn mower Oh, that was not a Python. It was a snake, it was a copperhead it was a snake was a difference oh my God so okay David is referencing a story and I apologize to any pacifists out there who are like I will never harm an animal. I am terrified of snakes and copper heads are poisonous and so when you come across them.

They can be terrifying and I was in high school and I was mowing the yard, with a you know push mower so not like riding mower where you're. You know, separated from the ground you're pushing the mower walking behind it you're by yourself, I was also by myself and.

I, as I was moving and front of right in front of me was a coiled up copperhead and, of course, if you know snakes you know that coiled up means i'm ready to strike, and I hope I just a kind of close my eyes and ran forward with a lot more. Needless to say, that cover had to not live to see another day and I quit my in one.

Line looks a little funky for a while, because I was afraid to go back out I did go back out like the next day, though, but I was wearing I put on my dad's fishing tackle gear Oh, my goodness, if waiters in the big rubber boots cuz I was like there's a sneak out here it's gonna expect. Oh, my goodness, I was terrified wow. Oh, my gosh because when you see one copperhead you're actually very likely to see another because quite often they. there.

Especially during mating season oh my, and so I was, I was prepared but anyway Python let's get back to pythons yeah and I chose a very cute little cartoon. Python with glasses, and so I hope you all appreciate that now, with david's glasses, in fact, he doesn't have them on right now, but then our glasses yeah took him I think he did that's why you don't have them, so our word in English actually comes from ancient Greek pusan which was.

which was a huge serpent that Apollo slade, and so this was you know, a mythological serpent and, but it was huge and when you know speakers saw the Python they're like Oh, this is the biggest snake i've ever seen. must be that one post and where did that name come from does make it up, no I forgot it came from something else gosh it was actually like another word for delphine or something that location where was.

Because it was it was something about its connection to delphine and the location of where the slaying happened Oh, and they called it, that because that location and delpy resemble the snake. anyway. The things that i'm just the color commentator today. lesson okay so there's another fun thing oh my God is the word and poly as you gotta is from Sanskrit and literally means goat swallower wow and like I feel like that's a bit of hyperbole, because as large as pythons are.

Maybe a baby, but I don't know I don't know like I feel like that may be like oh my God, these things are so huge they could swallow ago and then that just became the name. But I found that super fascinating. Just laugh I. see these things are scary. Which is why I put the cartoon what. I didn't want to be frightened of my own presentation.

Okay. i'm usually not that bad, by the way, but let me tell you, when i'm scrolling instagram and there's like snake pictures or spider pictures i'm like no. And I have to shut down the entire thing okay. Oh no oh no don't look close your eyes everybody, something has happened that I think I forgot to delete a slide and I need to check no don't don't you, you can look down here.

That is okay, so I will delete this before I post it, this is so embarrassing I left in my notes slide Okay, where I was taking notes just go quickly. Okay, everything I saw everything I know you said. Okay Okay, but this is the next animal and Okay, so it is a turtle and I chose an underwater turtle.

For reasons which i'll get to in a moment, but there are definitely languages that treat underwater turtles differently from land turtles and give them different names and so like they actually treat them as different. You know animals in terms of the naming situation, however, a lot of languages group them together, just because, even though they are above water or below water. They do have enough similarities that they just call them the same thing.

And the reason I put it in this section was because I found out something new about our words turtle and tortoise which actually come from the same source, by the way they come from the same root, which was originally from Latin for to cut off the island or to. Any etymology like it's actually ultimately unknown but, like the theory is it's actually related to the underworld because turtles were mythologically.

Connected to folklore about the underworld, and so I put them in the water is this image, because it was specifically like a lot of the underworld imagery what were the underwater turtles. There was an older English word, and that was beautiful thing which was essentially like the it was leaning which is like right like the like duckling where you get a diminutive but that bude came from the root Board, which meant like board plank or table so like it was going.

Oh, my goodness Look how cute is that and so that, of course, is association by looks not an association so folklore or anything like that, but we ended up. You know, like shifting out that word for this association that is a lot like a lot of languages have it, it was hard for me to find a lot of other origins. Aside from from that relation to something related to her to.

which was interesting or they just again have a root for it, which is like well Okay, they have a room, can you imagine if that ever became you know board ling we'd have you know room and board ling is like you know a little. play on words for for bed and breakfast oh my gosh little turtles, you know little little turtle butler's that's amazing all over the place that is amazing Oh, what about German wasn't uh. let's talk about. I want to have a typo here should be Afrikaans.

But I left the SF i'll fix that too, when I delete my mystery slide. But skewed part is an example of the shield toad compound that you find in a lot of Germanic languages, including German were like the the word for turtle turtle turtle actually breaks down to a compound meaning shield tone for its toll like features, but having that you know the shell. They a lot of these languages again treat the underwater and land turtles.

The same, and so, but you'll have to because other languages don't the unfortunate thing again is like tracing down some of the cooler etymologies it's either there's no sources on it or it's like Oh well, that origin my turtle. Like well Okay, then. There was another one Bulgarian which I put an IPA so I was having trouble with the the Cyrillic alphabet Costa Rica Bulgarian that were breaks down into bone diver. Because it's the hard Shell and then it dives under the water.

So I always imagining all of these stories about how like you know turtles went diving for bones, and that you know you couldn't actually. Get rid of a body by throwing in a walk in the water, because turtles would go and get it and bring them to your doorstep that's what happens you I mean left these in my water, I mean we could we could come up with all sorts of stories, I shall next go to the police. But yeah That was a really cool one is again a compound very fun one wow.

And then oh just for fun, there are some advantages I couldn't like shove into. places in the presentation, but that once I found information on them, I was like oh i'm need to talk about this, and so. I was looking up unicorn yeah and you know where it comes from obviously one Horn and, in fact, a lot of languages, that is exactly what the word means it just translated into their own language, meaning one Horn for a unicorn however in Albanian the word is Rican which means Horn dog.

Terrible terrible no Horn horse the horse that's terrible and I was like that's amazing I guess that's on par with calling a Hippo a horse. I think it's actually worse. Maybe yeah Okay, but then I was like you know what i'm gonna talk about david's favorite Okay, here we go. Now for david's favorite.

Obviously, we have to talk about the butterfly, and so I found a couple of cool ones, but then i'm hoping, you can build on it first, though I was like just kind of tracking down why we call it a butter flight in English. Because it really does break down into the compound butter and fly like it's not like it came from something that sounded similar to it it's like it literally breaks down into butter and fly.

The reasons aren't entirely clear for some theories it's because the color of the wings, like me, you know the most common butterfly was like a cream color or butter color, and so they just called it a butterfly. But there is apparently also there was a belief that they ate or stole butter and cream and so there's actually German actually has four words for butterfly, by the way, and I was like what I had only ever heard of one.

But there are German variance milking deep, which means way thief wow and both Erica which means butter liquor I have not heard these OK so Those are two variants listed. It could also be from the belief that they ate or stole oh wait no sorry I just read that oh my gosh so many typos I need to delete that you're good other German.

German variance include schmeling that's the new cream lean yeah um and butter for girl, which means better file and so like those again i'll kind of connect to like there's something to do with this butter and cream that they actually like either ate it or associated with it. Okay, so there's some variants but it goes on. there's apparently also a belief.

That they excrete it a butter like substance and so Dutch both or shoot de it's literally butter, sugar and then I would actually be a Buddhist Rita Thank you but. My goodness like is that the current word that was the word listed online and the translation oh that's terrible that's got to be the worst word for a butterfly that exists. Okay, so there's that. However, there is also a theory that it's actually an ab loaded form of the verb Bhutto, meaning to beat like that.

So there is a theory with the the full form was actually back then, but there's a theory that there is this a bloated form Buddha and that could also mean you know the the association with movement there. And the Pennsylvania German word for butterfly is fledermaus Oh, which means flutter mouse and that word is typically associated with BAT in other German language, yes, including German.

And so, like, I found that really cute, though, that it was like yeah we're gonna call it a fledermaus miscue. And it's not very mouse's that definitely is here i'm looking i'm looking at you're looking at yeah okay i'm in French, have you on pepe. pepe pepe you comes from a root meaning to shake and so that's the word for butterfly it comes from again that movement association.

In Russian there's babushka which means little grandmother from the belief that spirits of the dead live on is butterflies, oh no I did not know that, and so I thought that was really pretty yeah because babushka would be grandmother right which is another diminutive how interesting. Oh, and that was the end of my slideshow done. And done i'm ready for David. As I wait no I don't want to turn the camera away from you, too, but I am going to fix a couple of things oh yeah you go for it.

Oh right, because now it's, just as they can't see you doing this, can they oh no, they can totally because i'm still sharing oh i'm fixing it i'm not saying everybody, but. And I need that turtle slide to disappear, I need you all to know yeah so and I fixed it that's right they'll just pause it and get everything. So the the word for butterfly justice that I knew was fellowship and then photoshop.

And it comes from a route that has a whole bunch of other meetings associated with it, so there's month and butterfly but there's also brush furnish us into like you know lay out of place furniture mattress bedding and the idea is it was related to spreading out or laying out. The wings.

yeah so and then so let's see and then I don't know where my request that comes from that was actually when I meant to look up and I forgot until like literally, as I was presenting this I was like oh shoot I was going to look at multiple so before I did this let's take a look at both. comes from. However, I never looked this up in my entire life I don't know, but we need to add this as a slight Oh, my goodness.

cool and you know what this is so important that i'm going to share the screen, as I do this. Okay, here we go Okay, I have duplicated. And we have a Spanish medical spa. Go ahead buddy yeah. So it's far from a phrase marissa. what's a day. Which. As they say here means is, I guess, it must be old fashioned means marry a light.

that's amazing that is amazing it's also funny to me that this comes from a phrase with two words that are irregularly stressed madea and boss happy and it results in a word that is regularly stressed mariposa that is amazing that is amazing. On believable unbelievable I. I don't know why butterflies have captured the imaginations of so many for so long, but they have some of the most amazing words and honestly, maybe we can post a link to this, if you want an incredible one in the first.

I believe it was in the first AMA I did on reddit somebody had asked me about or heard about that one of my favorite words was butterfly and so, then. that the comments on that comment led to a whole bunch of people who spoke a whole bunch of different languages, talking about their words for butterfly. And where they came from, and it is a real gold mine now so yeah maybe we can yeah, we can only post, the link to that that would be amazing.

But yeah so all this is to say, like again like there are very good reasons to have you know, like a really strong. group of animal names that are just basic roots, because they are going to be a really important part of your you know your con world your speaker surroundings and so. That is a really good reason to have those basic routes, however, when you start expanding beyond those I hope you were able to take some inspiration Davis take a call.

But we hope that you're able to yesterday grammar and all that we hope that you're able to take some inspiration from these different strategies that that there are for naming animals. But as David says stay grammar and we can't wait to see you in the next live stream and thank you for being patient with us as we took an extra week to get this podcast out to you until next time bye.