LangTime Chat, Episode 16: Tonogenesis Language Sketch, Part III

So we are recording. We are live, welcome to link time chat episode. 1716.

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All of the above. I really thought I was ready, this time.

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But i'm checking now because i'm really curious it's 16 okay.

Okay. So welcome again So why did you lead with 17. that's just not what it was.

Because. Sometimes. You are looking forward to the future, and you know, sometimes when you look forward to the future, you. You jump right forward.

yeah I totally. so doing.

Well, we are hopefully introducing tone into our language today.

Right, because the whole point was to do a tone language right.

Right and every time I think we're going to make it. We don't um, so this is episode what the first the third episode, I will say.

yeah. I almost.

said three, but this is the third episode. Where we're working on this language, and of course don't know name, because we literally haven't even made it through all the sound rules and everything. And when I can go ahead and share my screen.

yeah that's probably a good idea, so that people can see what's going on. So this is our third shot at. trying to get tone into this thing.

Yes, it is. and Oh good one.

I need to sorry I need to minimize my screen, so that I can actually work on this.

Just.

made everything go full screen okay okay there we go i'm all set. Excellent ready so cool.

I I am ready. cool um. So let's.

Get back in.

I know I know and I almost like I was going to do a review session. But then I was like you know what for people listening along it's been a month, so you need a refresh session too so. We hope. To do some refreshing here. So our current continental inventory. We do the objective series for the voiceless stops, and so we have those we wiped out all of our up lawyers and we do have some Africa what's. At the you know i'll be alert palatable and even vilar Africa what's other than that.

wasn't yeah I get it to like it's just doesn't make any sense but that's alright it's alright it's fine.

But it's there because it's the only onset consonant cluster that's allowed like it. And so, anyway, instead of like trying to write a rule for it, I could it in the IPA chart. And we have a very healthy system of vowels. we've you know.

Had.

fun we actually have like an unbounded front valid the MID level so that's exciting. But we of course killed the central bells because.

Because there's. there's no purpose to them and, yes, we do have an. unbounded Val at the MID level but usually that's not usually it's not super exciting because I mean most of the time you expect an unbranded front Pal.

And that love oh my gosh around it from hell hole we yeah.

Thank you yeah that's. yeah.

That was an unfortunate I almost said typo but. came out of my mouth.

was a speaker Oh, not a typo. In team. Coming out of your paycheck.

Speaking of when was the last time you remember to pay me, I mean if i'm going to get a paycheck if you're gonna if you're going to threaten to take it out.

i'm pretty sure I paid you, the last time you earned it.

2019. So if you go to page 12 and that's, of course, where I am on the screen share but you're going to need to get there, and your documents you. Excellent this is. This is where we've been working on these forms. And I don't believe yeah so we have seven rules that we have actually created we've applied them to our list of routes that we're moving through. You know, showing how they they evolved and now we need.

i'm leaning against the top option, because we have so few. Stop coda's.

Right and then we would like literally only have a couple words with.

Those words. wouldn't make any sense. So. Cheese like. it's actually really tough, I mean maybe this is just not a representative sample.

I mean it is. It is just a random list of routes that really my goal in creating them was to make sure we had targeted every sound in the inventory and so. And and tried to like. You know, get some combinations going that could be interesting, so no it's not necessarily.

yeah I did forget, though of course I can. i'm debuting my new glasses. Because I got new glasses and I was doubly supposed to be wearing them because. i'm very tired today, and so I like to wear glasses, to make it like you know cover my eyes a little bit so.

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So we are.

Leaving now. I think they look great. Alright, so.

Good choice, what is the Thank you that's what I was hoping for okay. hmm. So.

So i'm. going to strike through the top option. Okay, because we considered it. So that is something to think about, by the way, if you are creating a tonal language as you start thinking about where the tones come from. definitely also be thinking about how much of your inventory that would affect, because that would be silly to only have a few words with high tones and nowhere else they need to be you know more distributed. Right. And so.

So. I. yeah Okay, so I see what okay it's. Essentially, the second option is the same as the first only we're having the other code is to do stuff too. Right and. And so i'm thinking that i'm leaning towards the fourth option, because I don't know what dejected should do to tunnel traces to you have any idea.

If they love to trace, and this is just like for some reason it's not an actual connection it's just like if they left a trace, it would be a high tone. And it's like I say that as if it's so natural and obvious but I mean there's nothing about it that suggests that it has to be high, it just in my head i'm like ooh objective hi. yeah.

I think that. I think that we're going to have to go to the. What you call it, I think we're gonna have to go to the Internet, to see if there's any association between. watching the call it objectives and tone, because I think that there is, but I don't know what it will be so let's do that also need to give me just one second nobody.

Nobody go anywhere.

Nobody looking at my hands.

yeah well he's moving around back there I am doing what you do when you need to do research right just start typing in Google. So effective objections. Sometimes it takes a while to figure out. figure out the right search terms um. Oh there's there are. Some good articles on the preceding valuation. But that doesn't help. When we're looking at objectives as onsets. ooh I think I found it, I think. What we need. So there's a whole. Article here on toner genesis so actually I say it right now i'm.

This sounds like a really like really useful resource so very, very good fine Thank you.

Definitely that's magic of Google, you know. i'm. I OK so. Alright, so there are effects that are referred to as pitch skip and pitch dip for raising and lowering. The the zero format of the bow that follows it. voiced consonants tend to cause lower. performance at the onset of the following valdan unvoiced consonants. And all of our objectives are of course unvoiced so that to me. yeah just that high tone is good.

Globalization would change anything.

Justice second. So there's also impulses and so on rents. rise, so the format after an impulsive in a son or it rises and then it falls after an obstacle. In places and objectives involved changes and larynx height and glottal constriction in might therefore be expected to have effects on f0. Variable creek enos.

So basically they're not going to do anything different from plain voiceless stops.

right balance for me and. I really should have also I realized probably sent this to you because I in my head i'm sharing my screen and so Therefore, you can see everything i'm doing, but my screen that is being shared is of course the pages documents, so that.

yeah I mean you can do a reshare and just. and share the document itself.

I sure can. And then, of course, that doesn't help you as much because i'm like literally down on page 11. well. i'm. And so you'll have to let me know if you want me to scroll to other locations in it, but. phonetically it's striking that all the depressed. So. I mean. Let me go back up to the paragraph just a second where this is.

Why did we. goods are they treat it sounds like they're treating objectives and explosives, as the same.

It. I was kind of reading at the same after this I honestly don't think objectives get mentioned very much more, because everything really turns to a discussion and my go and download that so don't forget everything really moves on to a discussion on impulses so. So. There this chart It shows. correspondence illustrating the difference between high mark and low Mart languages.

she's look at this like see a proto proto DNA right, you have. chipper jaan and then quick teen and hooper and we literally have three different tones we have low high and mid. Oh, but they're opposite.

Right.

got it so weird. There they're opposite high and low and then they both have mid and maybe mid or just no tone in hope hope I might be might just be a language that doesn't have town.

In that may. Be it. Oh, it is right above it hope or oba exemplifies the situation of non tonal languages. And so. I mean that, but this is also in objective consonant as a coda. We were looking at them as onsets and so apparent obviously as a cota as a cota if. You go either way.

Obviously, like are you are you seeing this is unbelievable, this is the second time i've heard of this phenomena. they're suggesting that there were two different glottal stops. and i've heard about this before in 10 minutes, where the the person who's done all the work on 10 minutes insists that there are two different glottal stops and that they somehow sound different.

You know and i'm you know how how good. I am with being able to distinguish all the finer details of every sound. it's so. yeah it's. That is interesting though that. And in the article it suggests that. lapse into creaky voice for that kind of glottal stop tends to be associated with relaxation and that's the lower pitch. And then the ones that are influence that would have a rising tide, there would be potentially a presence of a falling or breathy tone like an earlier final ah.

This data is awful I do have a suggestion, though, so. This is what I think that we should do so okay so looking at the data or like the stuff that we have, I think it should be, just like we'll get. we'll get high tone after voiceless stops whether they're objective or not low tone after voice stops at the beginning for neutral things let's just do.

I like it, and I think we need to type it up so that way you know.

We remember them.

So i'm going to go back to the pages document. on the screen so. That we can actually type it and I when I mean at this point I would actually we would want it. As one of the number of rules right or do we want to create.

Probably several.

Several. Steps of. application.

yeah okay so. How do we know about having yes.

Oh, I was gonna say The other thing is like are we, assuming that the Tongue gets applied after the seven or we. Like in terms of the ordering of the rules would they.

I suppose that something that we can consider. yeah that's something that we can talk about. And are we okay with words like sweat are just sweat I guess it would be because we're losing the glottal stop so sweat we okay with that.

I mean I am.

I mean, I guess yeah Why did I even ask you.

Because you know. You, the ash.

yeah no but I meant more like it's just it's a it's a monosyllabic word that ends in at swell hi TIM.

What do you think about it, are you okay.

i'm okay with it slap I mean. I keep saying it's just so funny to me sweat.

But that makes it a good word right like the more that you could be excited.

it's like you're so excited about swag you don't say the G.

And you put it in a high tone.

it's a it's an abbreviation it's a shortening of swag because swag is too long and got some swear.

I think I think that's I think it's perfect.

Okay, very, very, very, very good okay so. All right, let's try to formalize this then. Okay. This is where it's going to be relevant, where this rule is placed, because if we have. If we have voiced consonants leaving a load up hold on, let me go back to our proto forums. We did not have voiced stops. In the parade.

Right. Those okay came later.

Okay, so, then that means that we should put these tone rules at the very least after Rule three.

Right.

So, then, we have some voice stops. That we are are these crooked.

I swear to God, I thought this the first time that I put these on when I was at the at the the the optometry place.

Are they crooked or my glasses crooked.

At this very moment no.

Yes, no you're sure.

I mean your eyebrows look. Even lead plate well now. Now they look even better. David is doing weird things.

Did you know I can do that, did you know i'm a person that can do that.

I did not know that you could do it or do it that well that's actually quite impressive i'm. Just having fun looking at yourself raising your eyebrows. yeah raise.

An eyebrow kid.

little bit, and this is this really goes well with with tone.

And you do it, can you do a high tone IRA. A high low melody now like you can't not like you can and, like, I have to think about it, and then I have to like really lower the other I brought like hang on a second hang on a SEC. hang up hang on a second. You. say something again.

I am trying to do a podcast here, and you are.

Sorry okay. So. What what had happened was this no I. The pest control company called and it put the ringing into my air pods and it knocked you off of the so for a very, very brief moment but then I guess it doesn't matter because you're recording the audio on your end doesn't it.

yeah yeah.

That I shouldn't have said doesn't it there huh. you're recording the audio on your end. aren't you.

You are on fire today.

Okay. So guys, we have one of my favorite jokes on the Simpsons confused, would we.

So. After Rule three. Minimum lead. That gives us. Post nasal voicing so we have something going on there and post nasal voicing, though, also means that. we're never going to have a coda that is a voice nasal our voice stock which is fine that doesn't mean like if we want voicing to affect that it needs to be forward.

But we could leave that you know if we're. i've just kind of tacitly assume in my head without saying anything out loud and without writing anything in this document that we were doing high low do you want to do high mid low.

We actually had already made that decision and we wrote it.

We did. yeah I did.

Okay yeah. And i'm going to pull that up to so that way people can see it whenever they're watching the YouTube version, so we have high low and falling rising tones are not permitted.

Okay.

So that gives us more things to play with too because. You know, like.

Okay.

To get more variety and the tones. So.

Okay, so here here are the thoughts that i'm thinking right at this moment, if we were going to do, the thing that I just thought it didn't say. And how to stress system where it was just a simple stress system where it was like you know penultimate evidence and Val also bit of it ends with a consonant.

Just depends on how often we would have word final ends and else. Right now.

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over my head. Right now, that would be that would be. yeah. That would be four of our current routes.

yeah. yeah.

So I mean it's not like it's going to be if.

Okay.

Like for me, I would be okay, with it, but.

Okay, if we started counting things, though. yeah if if we started counting things and we started like doing this like. what's the thing.

what's a like. It guy like me like really.

The data like tally marks yeah or like. Like tally marks or. You know, like when you're stacking up orphans and you see how, who has the most orphans. That type of a thing, like a like a T chart like. A pro and con list right.

Oh okay.

Yes, Sir, and it's like it's like we we just add up how many votes this syllable has for low and how many votes it has for high and it's like if it has more votes for high it's high if it has more votes for low it's low if it's even then it's falling hmm.

Okay gotcha yeah.

OK OK.

And now I get what you're saying, although stepping up orphans i'm still a little bit lost on.

Okay, so there. that's.

that's quite a right, I get what you're saying and i'm on board with that and yeah that would create. A lot of variety and.

Just to just to catch everybody up there is this amazing amazing sketch by the State state is one of my favorite sketch comedy groups of all time and they have this game show sketch, where. it's like they that you come in, after the end of round one, and you know the host is very bubbly and excited and then you see the two contestants who are very disturbed.

Can you have a one bedroom studio isn't a studio by nature zero bedrooms.

Oh you're just really on me right now aren't you Okay, excuse me, I live in a studio loft or something I don't know what the exact job was anyway, so that may go on to like start you know, asking questions. Like. say. Like the final question was like. Like name a type of boat. And soon the guy says. wooden. wooden that's where it is like and how many orphans, are you going to risk. All of them. You. want says, I named my type of boat this blue. And uh.

What are we doing back to town. Oh. yeah. gotcha and. Then we're going going to essentially have several different things that will influence tone, leaving certain tonal traces and we're going to yeah like basically count them up and see what what stacks out on top.

Okay let's do it alright so voiceless see voiceless stop are voiceless anything, because I think voiceless frank, it is are actually depressives aren't they.

i'm.

Sorry voiceless frickin is I think frickin have no. No, no. I know the drinking. sodas.

yeah. I think frickin lives and stops tend to both be depresses. By. weight that the voiceless voiceless. Is a razor.

OK OK OK OK so got it alright, so let me write this down. voiceless consonants plus one hi. voiced consonants onsets, this is what I should be doing. One sets. Last one low okay so then. Do we want to say that with nasal and liquids too. yeah let's do it let's do it let's let's let's have fun with this let's just go nuts and just do is, we will. Stress. Last one hi.

There is actually an interesting paragraph as you're typing. Guy talks about that in most cases they don't actually think it's voice vs voiceless that causes the difference in terms of whether it's an oppressor razor.

Okay, then.

Let us just kind of go.

yeah let's revisit our inventory here. Okay, so we only have voiceless promo consonants so we don't have Z or as we don't have either of those actually even in the modern language.

yeah we only have.

We only have voice stops and Africans okay. got it alright alright so then. I guess it's really up to us, then how tense, do you want your SS and ash and do you want them to have the same level of tension or different levels of tension and let's see how we can try to simulate this i'm trying to think of like a really good way to. demonstrate how this might work. So it's like.

Okay.

Did you did I actually do that correctly like did you hear a difference.

I think I did, but maybe i'm hearing the difference because I was looking for one.

God I hope so, so I mean no, no, I mean I hope there was a difference, not that you heard something that wasn't there. soda soda.

yeah that was yeah.

yeah basically a ton tip is a little bit forward and some languages have that whereas like an English it's more of. Its more just something that certain speakers do, which is just something that I take note of and find interesting. And okay so interesting with my Lingus hat on I hate to admit this, but I do find it a little annoying. I don't know why, and I shouldn't say that it's fine it's fine whatever look my auntie Lisa does it and so like I just always notice it, you know. I love.

And do you decline the the soda because it's not soda.

yeah I mean I I would, but I just decline in any way because seriously who wants to drink something carbonated it's awful. awful experience.

i'm.

Like Why would you so okay so, but then there's also like fertilized as like in Arabic and sadiq is i'm sorry I did a little bit off Saudi Saudi. Saudi Saudi Saudi I have a trouble some trouble with that one, but the word for friend in Arabic has a fringe lightest s for ritualized D and then Q so it's a very it's a very difficult word to say for.

um. I mean. Obviously, since. you're not a fan of the April, we need to do a. I honestly. i'm not feeling a major Opinion one way or the other.

it's too bad. um. let's see.

Are you are you leaning one direction.

or tell me about the first time I saw this this commercial with one direction and drew brees. And it was all like a thing about how they were both big and like it was clearly like like these are like two things that are really big from separate you know worlds. And i'm like there's this part where they're like yeah we have one direction i'm like who the hell is that, like because it's like it'd be one thing if it was like you know.

Instead, not bad.

But not that I was just. Reading.

Do you think though it's really just your age group that your age group, not mine. That didn't know them at the time.

yeah that's true as 40 year olds we you know people in their 40s we. Mainly just watch daytime TV and. Talk about the weather and sedans. I mean you, while people in your 30s you just. Listen to. We.

wonder ready know about one direction yeah we knew about it, before.

And you're bts and you're 21 pilots and all that.

Pilots it's good, though.

Okay, so. No, no. Okay okay there okay so here's what's happened like three separate times and we can actually go into my exam to verify this. I had been tricked in dishes I mean a song on the radio that ends up being by 21 pilots everyone every time i'm like How dare you you got me again it's the same song every time it's like ride or something or something like that. I don't.

I don't know I really stressed out and he then are my top two songs I know by them so.

Maybe it may be stressed out.

But I do think there is one that's something like car. Something it may be like car right or something.

yeah something like that.

But neither here nor there what's. More important. Is.

own thing Okay, so I. Did. The town, I wrote up some rules for the for the tone thing, so I have some potential things there to allow us to tally up. and So what i've got right now is. Wait that's right we didn't okay how about this. sibilant plus one low okay voiceless continents are going to give us plus one high voice consonant these are on sets are gonna give us plus one most sibilant sibilant on sets.

Right, and so we had did we want to specifically have something for objectives, separate from voiceless consonants okay.

No basically that's what we that's what we determined with with all the papers are like nope objectives aren't going to be different they're just going to. You know, leave. You know heighten the, just like the other voiceless consonants so.

Right in.

terms of tone like you know top will be the same as apple.

And, did you want to do anything with other kowtows.

Oh rate with a stock curtis plus one hi voiced kowtows plus one low.

momentarily my. my eyes weren't separating the plus one ah and disappear, and it was just like plus one hand disappear.

ooh. I like that idea here check this out and get a magic trick you ready.

Your hand is going to disappear okay.

Watch just just just you know watch this. is right.

You do remember that this is actually a podcast.

it's pretty good right.

Can you disappearing hand trick, which was actually not even very good won't be seen until later okay okay.

much later we're actually we're nearing the end of season two.

Oh yeah that's true.

Yes, and we just put all these up in a badge like like we just do it netflix style. We.

make you wait for a long time and then release.

We could do one, at a time.

I mean we could. we'd have to remember. Okay, so all of this. sounds. Good sounds good for me i'm. Good where do you want it. To come rule wise.

let's take a look nasal assimilation you've either coloring post nasal voice and it's got to come after that. Either merger. Love Elvis.

Honestly, I don't think it matters because five through seven is all about bells. yeah and those aren't going to affect. And then the feeler vilar merger it's still going to be.

Okay.

they're not the same tone of rule.

Okay, this is they're not ordered with respect to each other, but I think it should come after the merger.

Okay.

Because this is essentially basically what this is saying is like distinctions are collapsing here, and so this is the distinction collapsing phase of this language, or rather the distinctions are being shifted from one area to another, and so that's why I think that it should go there. And maybe the you've either either merger can be what kicks it off that's my thought, what do you think.

Right okay all right, I like that.

Okay, so then. let's. Have corresponding fewer consonant buddies that's cute. call this Bruce is going to simplify this and call this tonal genesis. goes to plus stone.

So the SP the bell gets tone yes.

voiceless stops collapse into. whistle stops collapse into glottal stops and glottal stops. leave a height. race on the. Val okay.

And can you. Can you change that actually though to. voiceless stop coders.

Yes, voiceless. kowtows.

Thank you, because we don't want to get rid of. You all. yeah. you're welcome we don't, otherwise we would get rid of all voiceless stops.

Yes, absolutely okay so. leaving a high to trace on the previous fell at this point in time, the phonological system reorganizing itself. And the. And the language becomes. Language becomes fully total Okay, let me think how I wanted to this now, I wanted to next.

Did we want to also. Formerly specify. Somewhere that. The stress was. An ultimate if ending in about. ultimate if ending in a.

yeah. We probably should i'll just i'll just. i'll just do that here so i'll make that a part of this. OK, so the old stress system you laughing at me you laughing at me. Or do to you. All right, the old stress system is replace. The old for their system Okay, where. Where was I gonna say. Where okay so. we're ending in quotas for stressed finally. Words in Apps are not coders consonants I mean same thing we're sending and constants are stressed, finally and words ending in our. soul. yeah.

Oh, I was just gonna say like whether you would type constants are code is really saying the same thing cuz.

yeah I know.

consonants our photos so.

it's really slowly.

And she gonna do.

Okay. Okay, so then launch Nina Thank you OK so. The result of this is that. syllables that used to have stress. Now. I won't get it. They are. let's say or gainsaid by. A.

game said.

Yes, by depressed or it's a real word. It is 100% a real word.

You know I know it's a real life. i'm I know it's a real word I don't think i've ever had somebody just so casually drop it like that.

yeah well get used to it because I dropped game said left and right when it's appropriate and, in this case, yes, unless it's fair game said by a depressed or consonant. voiced consonants on sets leave a low town trace and. As to civil and concepts. Simple and onsets in the voice kowtows. by default.

you're typing that and I know you need to like talk through what you're typing Since you know people are hearing this, but just as a really random thing I looked at the origins of gainsay because I was like why. Why does it mean to go like to contradict something if you think about like to gain something that anyway and it's actually because it's from an old. prefix that meant against and it's really like literally where we also have our word against from.

Though it's.

like to say something against us and essentially.

So and i'm guessing that the and against probably is the same little prefix that we see in like a go right.

You know I would think so, but i'm looking at. Of course I need to look up again, to be able to fight against um you know, actually, it may be different, because this again again comes from the old English on the end and so. I had the oh in.

nope oh not again.

But against is from again.

Well then, i've learned something new.

It is going ahead with. What I was just gonna say against has the SF verbiage genitive and then the T was probably by association with superlatives as an amongst. That was just that's how we get against a go.

We say towards and forwards and backwards, is that way I have that is because I like to use that all the time, but it's like.

I do.

You know not inappropriate, but like.

My.

Formal.

yeah, so I think it's a British American distinction quite frankly. i'm. A girl is actually just listed. As a go. It doesn't provide any breakdown ahead comes from the a prefix meaning in our APP.

Alright, well, let me, let me see if I can come up with something a little bit better here just a second i'm gonna i'm gonna take a quick little Johnny ski over to which scenario. and see if they got anything else for me. For middle years ago gone from a gone gone to go away to pass prismatic out. And so it comes from woods. And that cave descendants. English. But it says, equivalent to a plus gone and there's that prefix up away all right. Okay, so glad that's settled.

And now we can go back to the the gainsaying. Of depressive consonants okay. Yes, and you left off, we have voice continent on sets leave alone on trees, as do civil onsets and voice coda's unstressed syllables take a boat on by default and now you're ready to keep going.

Now I have totally now like, I totally forgotten where I was just completely and totally completely just forgotten exactly okay so i'm going to read this again. where's the stock quotes collapse in a glottal stop suicidal stops leave a high tone trace on the previous bell this point in time, the phonological system reorganize itself the language becomes fully tone old stress system where words in a constant stress violin.

Well, not everything, because then you have to mention that, however, you want to word it but. yeah more.

Okay. These um let's see let's call these these tonal influences will fight amongst themselves. War, if you will, for control of the syllable. should be. should be high tone influences went out the soul. soul will have. The the low tone influences when out the syllable will have low. Should there be a tie. No, I want to make this even better, excuse me. Stranger in the event. Of a tie. The syllable will take a falling town.

And so, for the people who can't see EG like that.

Right i'm sorry I keep forgetting that everybody can't see this, I mean they'll eventually be able to see i'm so sorry so. My bad my bad there okay so high tone is going to get an acute accent mark low tone is going to get nothing because it does you know. You should have something so like low tones just get nothing, and then the following tone is going to have a circle FLEX accent over it, and that is how we are going to write the home part of the language okay.

and Do you want this or complex, or do you just want the graph because we're not using that for low tone. Or would that be like cognitively confusing.

know that would be very confusing so now there's like no way that we would do that but yeah, thank you for the recommendation I I take our recommendations very seriously from my employees.

Your unpaid and please. awesome. wow. Okay, so let's go ahead and like actually walk through and apply these rules to at least a couple i'm looking at the time, I know.

yeah. we're almost coming up.

On the end, but like I also just want to leave these kind of somewhere, so we don't have to read a whole paragraph to remind ourselves. So, having it actually written now with the. You know, stressed as this unstressed as that I think will be very helpful. And so we're starting small because we just have. pale.

Okay, so yeah. let's let's go through it let's add it up.

we've got a voiceless onset so that's plus one high yep. But we have a. voice kota so that's plus one low. Right and then for one syllable word that has to be that that's where the stresses. That is where the service plus one. plus one hi. and

I think that says that high is the winner is that right. Yes, okay. Very good. Then I guess we're just well we're probably about done with our sound changes I think at this point, so there we go bed bed bed look.

like it.

it's, no, no, I think, is. Pam baby.

yeah yeah.

It was like it's. it's a word for like a like a rice dish or something. You know what I mean like some sort of savory creamy rice trish yeah.

Sure okay so. yeah for the next one. and keep us moving along here, we do have a two syllable word here and but it ends in a consonant and so it's going to be stressed on the final syllables so. unzipped. is going to have that stress so looking at the stress syllable first or do you want to start with the unstressed syllable since its first thing we would type it first.

yeah that's probably a good idea okay let's do that so first syllable we have no onset so nothing happens there. what's next.

We have a voice kota so it gets plus one low and it's unstressed, so it is definitely a low.

So yes, and so we oh boy.

We have both just do. ash and we're gonna have to type something for that.

yeah i'm just gonna write a little a little bitty note ski here we haven't actually done like an official feminization yet, but I think that should probably be like. yeah no no hold on SEC, that will be that and then this will be this and then. All the.

So what he's saying is that the. Roman a yeah and that the ash sound will be in a with an amount over it.

Right and then are you ready for this.

i'm really.

I.

interested in seeing how you're going to mark tone.

I really don't think that you're ready for this i'm just going to i'm just going to say that, right now, that you are completely and totally. unready for what I am about to do i'm stalling because i'm not finding the thing that I want with it because it. don't. lie to me, I know it's here.

Are you trying to find the one where it's the amount and the accent mark together.

it's just. Why are you tired. Like it's supposed to be here in the thing. Not like that, but, like the other one the the one that's more common, the double down is not as common as the double up that I want the double.

Oh Oh, I see what you're doing you're extending the two little dot mounts. And you want the devil acute accent mark over the a.

Yes, but I wanted as a prize, you know no I don't get to do that.

Also, maybe don't get to actually. put it in there, if you can't find it.

it's ridiculous, this is this is how you write it in Hungarian.

You hey oh. I don't know.

Absolutely that's that's how you do it in Hungarian like this should be basic cuz Hungarian is a big language they like gave us most of our monarchs right.

what's really interesting is that the devil graph i'm totally listening the double grub is. easily findable. yeah any double acute.

This. Okay, but Dakota now i'm going to go to Wikipedia here we go home going in the language.

And as he's searching for this i'm going to keep typing.

Right.

And so we've got the ash we've got the end we got the jeezy and then we have the second syllable zero, which of course is the stress syllable so it's got that high tone so there's one for high it's got that voiceless. The voiceless kota the STOP kota so that's another one for high and then it's going to disappear.

And then, my goodness. Of course, oh no.

david's gonna cut me off, but it's got a voice onset which is plus one low so we've got to high one low so high still wins out and so that will be a high tone. on them.

But if I can just interrupt you again, please, so the APP like. there's no front Val in Hungarian there's no a with a new loud and Hungarian it's just a UN UN Oh, with an oem loud So those are the ones that have the double acute not the art and that was totally my bad I am so sorry Hungarian speakers I do that they're. Okay, and now i'm just questioning.

Well, I mean we can make it half one. Ah.

This is terrible.

Why don't you can just use like the IPA keyboard and give it one give it a little hat.

it's better if it has its own unicode spot then it's more likely to render correctly. it's you know what i'm saying. I need a critical marks okay well that's fine all right it's fine it's fine it's fine okay it's fine. This is silly this doesn't matter all right, but okay so yeah and Z OK.

and Now we're ready for the. yeah we're ready for the next word and you're going to say it.

Okay, so stressed high tone, which is a high tone and which is a low tone high tone wins and so Oh well, now we can do it. And we are back in the good graces of Hungarian speakers everywhere, because today. Good in.

That way.

And with that, I think that we are done.

love it. Excellent so yeah so we're finally applying tone and we can pick up here and remind ourselves how to read you know, apply the tone to finish these out and we can focus in the next episode, I think it would be a good time to focus on romanization. And you know strategies there of because I know a lot of people have asked questions about romanization, and so I feel like that. could be fun for us to focus an episode on that.

yeah I mean shouldn't take a whole episode right, I mean.

No, no, but I mean there's so many more things that we can do. To you know continue in the language, so I know, and I know that there are definitely patrons interested in. really talking through a lot more verbs and what verbs can do so i'm excited to I know it's your favorite i'm i'm excited to like kind of settle into that too, and have some episodes where we can discuss all the fun things that verbs can do.

yep alright cool Well then, I guess, everybody, thank you for listening, since you were listening and not watching. As I remember. As I always remember as I always keep in mind and yeah so, then I don't know stay.

Like a grammar.

yeah there we go.

ready until next time bye no USA by two.

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