Right. Welcome to link time chat think it's episode 10 David J. Peterson: No way really I've Been Doing it a while. I feel like I just nine last time. So it may be 10 I may be wrong. And maybe I just welcome you to the wrong podcast. David J. Peterson: Okay, so we know it was at least seven or at least I know it was at least seven and if it was at least seven and that means it was at least eight. So this is either nine or 10 right A close. Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, you would think that I would check before I do my welcome thing. It's not that hard to actually check. But I always forget until the second I hit record and then I say, Don't know what episode. This is David J. Peterson: Yeah, well, this is coming out in December. Right. So I know that the earliest, earliest we could have started with march right Right, so maybe it isn't. David J. Peterson: Okay, we'll find out. This will be exciting. We find out it's a puzzle for all of us.
David J. Peterson: Okay. David J. Peterson: So, so be good. It'll be episode 109 and the title will be episode 110 it'll be great. Except I haven't been using the, the one because we're not in seasons. David J. Peterson: I mean, we kind of are or at least that's the way I always looked at it, but David J. Peterson: Just now. Okay, you're right. No, you're right. We I did, I did release them in season. David J. Peterson: For some, right, because I
David J. Peterson: advise them to the whole patron thing, but whatever. Yeah. David J. Peterson: Right. You're right, but like in my head this continuous. Exactly. So, um, so we will call this three different episode numbers by the end and everyone will be thoroughly confused. And that's the best way to be David J. Peterson: Here we go, want to wait, let's go. 111 Oh wait, no one's David J. Peterson: Here. Oh my goodness. Okay, so we are in fine form today and today we have a special topic.
Because I realized that someone had asked Maybe a few live streams ago about my con lanes and I'm horribly slow about getting information onto my website still like don't go there, it's not So many things are wrong with my website right now. David J. Peterson: Jessie, Sam. I'll come I'll get Thank you, David. Um, but I'm going to today, talk about my con length about my five that are most fully developed.
David J. Peterson: I am really excited for this, but just really quickly because I know you have your CV on your website. What if we called CBS cookie ventures. David J. Peterson: You're just not Sure it would be much more exciting than curriculum it David J. Peterson: Except, of course, in the proper Latin, it would be cool. Very cool. Now we tie. Right. It would be, but Who's proper I don't know about all of that.
David J. Peterson: Okay, good. Yeah, seriously. I just thought of cookie venture, but this is exciting. I, I, I really want to hear about this because we're talking about your five most developed online. David J. Peterson: Yes, smoke. Wow. David J. Peterson: I will be learning And they're going to go in chronological order, so that's Exciting. Because that's the best way to go. Right.
Yep. Okay. So just as a an introduction to me as a con linger because I think most of you don't know me outside of link time studios. Work with David. And so whenever I online on my own, just for fun. I do what I call a type of logically oriented approach. So in other words, I picked patterns that makes sense, given what happens in natural languages. But I don't really have proto forms or that kind of thing for two reasons. There's two reasons.
By I don't really have proto forms. I just don't Just create a language. So again, a few reasons here, first and foremost, it lets me create for creation sake, and it gives me a puzzle to work with while removing like the biggest cognitive hurdle, right, because I don't have to think about where things come from just got to think about What I want it to be.
Also, another reason is because I was that student in my grad school historical linguistics class who was never happy with any of the answers because all of them are guesses. They're all guesses. We don't know. So like I always got angry at proto forms like We have no evidence of this. We have no idea what we're talking about. So anyway, I was that student. And so I think sometimes I still have a thing against proto forms. David J. Peterson: That's done because I'm Jesse this episode.
David J. Peterson: You took a historical linguistics class in graduate school. David J. Peterson: It was offered. Yes. It was actually one of the required courses. David J. Peterson: That is really, really cool. I of course took historical linguistics and undergrad, because the big focus at UC Berkeley. But UC San Diego. There's, I mean, there wasn't even anybody on the faculty there's nobody who could have taught that class.
Remember to though that quite a few of our professors were from Berkeley. David J. Peterson: Yes, that's true. And so there may have been that carry over. I don't know how common it is to have required historical or diet chronic linguistics classes. David J. Peterson: very uncommon. Very Well, shout out to Aaron Shane is she has Ever listening because she taught that class and I loved her. I loved how she taught it. I was just very angry at the field. So that's, that's how that played out.
Okay, so that were like David J. Peterson: Diametrically opposed were complete and total opposites. Yes, but I also wanted to make sure I said that out loud. David J. Peterson: Because I know a lot of commenters have made. Comments about not having the evolved forums and I'm like, I never do so. Welcome to that club. David J. Peterson: Do you want, do you want my take on this or now. Of course, you're welcome. Just second sorry I realized that I'm sorry. Okay, I had to move my leg. Go on.
David J. Peterson: Oh, oh yeah oh yeah cuz it's on. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. David J. Peterson: So the way that I, the way that I kind of refer to these two are as an easy way is either week naturalism and strong naturalism.
David J. Peterson: Or or statistical naturalism for week naturalism and David J. Peterson: You know, historical or democratic naturalism around if I forget evolutionary nationalism, something like that, but David J. Peterson: You can't really say that one is for sure, better than the other. David J. Peterson: The way that I put it is that David J. Peterson: Using this strong method.
David J. Peterson: You get more for free. In other words, you have to invent less. It just kind of happens, but it takes a lot longer. David J. Peterson: And not only that you're projecting a lot. So it's like I'm setting this up to get this and then you try it and it may not work out. David J. Peterson: And so sometimes it can be less satisfying or require even more work because you have to go back and like undo a whole bunch of stuff that you did that may have far reaching consequences.
David J. Peterson: So it takes a lot longer, but David J. Peterson: You have to spend a lot less time David J. Peterson: Thinking about, okay, which one's of these should be a regular what kind of things should I have Over and David J. Peterson: They, they just kind of happen. So I really liked that approach. David J. Peterson: Because it does take more time, but I just feels David J. Peterson: It just feels more satisfying to me now statistical match. Makes sense.
David J. Peterson: Yeah, statistical naturalism. And I think what we all kind of hit and that's certainly where I was for a long time. David J. Peterson: And basically it's like, yeah, there's no proto forms anywhere. So you're relying entirely on your own judgment and on your own knowledge of topology or not or across linguistic knowledge to get something that you hope is going to approximate a natural language.
David J. Peterson: And then the one thing is a lot quicker and other but a problem is that David J. Peterson: You're often constrained by what you've seen David J. Peterson: It's difficult to create something that that you have never seen that nevertheless could exist and a natural language. However, the big drawback for strong naturalism is that David J. Peterson: We don't know how language emerged. David J. Peterson: Right, so it's like at some point in time.
David J. Peterson: At some point in time, you have to stop. David J. Peterson: And you either have to David J. Peterson: posit the origin of human language by yourself and then follow it along that path or you have to say I'm going back this far and no farther
David J. Peterson: And so then it becomes a, like a turtle stalking question and say, well, what do you do at this point, like you have to create something. And so what do you do David J. Peterson: When you're basically stuck again statistical naturalism or something. David J. Peterson: Anyway, So, so it all comes back. Yeah.
So that those are all good points. By the way, um, and also I whenever I teach. I teach the I guess what you would call statistical naturalism and I teach that method to my students in big part because I show them patterns that they can use and also because it's for a lot of my students, they're brand new to linguistics. And so it definitely gives away to say, you know, like, hey, look. Try these patterns out or try something.
I think it gives them more structure without having to introduce the evolutionary Sykes. I feel like that is more advanced for many students Are all students. I don't know why, like one student out there would think. Ooh, this evolutionary model is way easier than just Form. But that's also how I teach And in the con links that I'm going to be introducing today. So again, there's five
The first one I created for more artistic reasons but really after that the other ones. I was trying out certain things because And I think every con linger hits that point where you realize You want to try a new pattern, but you really can't introduce it to your language without it just being a muddle of a mess. And so, like, you have to reserve it for future language right like
Okay, next language. I'm going to try this out. So, a lot of them. I had very specific goals in mind that I wanted to buy like what if a language did this. Or what if a language did that. And you'll also see that I just have particular tastes in languages because there are things that show up a lot. And I'm unapologetic about that. I like what I like. Okay, so are you ready David J. Peterson: Oh, yeah.
Trying to get my screen all balance so that way I can have zoom in, in some places in my document with all of my notes. My like seven page document here. Alright, so my very first con line that was a real coddling is cute stuff and the speakers are humanoid they really just look human. But they're not actually AND IT'S ALL FEMALE SPEAKERS in a fictional world I created for a young adult novel. Type of logically it follows David J. Peterson: That you write up I did.
David J. Peterson: Are you serious, David J. Peterson: Wait, so we we both like written complete novels. Yeah. David J. Peterson: I didn't know that. I don't bring it up often David J. Peterson: Like it I do. But I want to rewrite it because So like I've started rewriting it because I decided I wanted the voice to be a little bit different. It's so now it's in like three different states. David J. Peterson: So, so it's not something that you can just email to me.
Oh, I can definitely email you The original version, the edited version like You would get half a chapter of one style and then the rest would totally different. David J. Peterson: I i read William S. Burroughs. That sounds fun. Okay. But yes, no, I can, I can send it in to warn you though. Even if you make it through the whole thing. It's the first of a trilogy. And I've written the second one, but I haven't written the third one I really don't know where I want it to go.
David J. Peterson: Are you serious, I'm serious. David J. Peterson: So we both written multiple novels. Yes. David J. Peterson: How did she not tell me this. I don't know. Sometimes I'm a better listener has been thinker of, oh, I should say what I did to David J. Peterson: Whoa, okay. Also, I just feel like I have to clarify. I'm not, I have read William S. Burroughs I've read two of his novels and I hate them. So like
David J. Peterson: They're awful but but i really appreciate his style, but also gotta hate them. So like thinking I'm a fan. Alright. So moving forward, psychologically, it does follow a lot of patterns because you know it's trying to make it Natural like But there are definitely some less natural features.
Including a very high frequency of voiceless for captives because my goal for the language was literally for it to sound like everything was a whisper, like a Kind of slithering kind of whisper. David J. Peterson: We talked about how I created a voiceless language to Oh my gosh. No, we have not David J. Peterson: I did it for the White Walkers because I reason that they wouldn't actually be able to vibrate their vocal folds. Excellent. So when I give you a sentence in this, you're gonna be fine.
Um, by the way, for everyone listening. Yes, I'm going to make David read for me in my own languages. And so David J. Peterson: Now I get the name itself. It's perfect. Wow. David J. Peterson: Okay, sorry. Go ahead. There's also like almost all of the language is highly regular which means that's really unnatural. But a part of that had to do with the mythology and the lore behind the speakers and that's this community that not only resist change but like
It's very much without going full bore into how the society work works. It's very much sort of this reincarnation model where the fourth generation when they die. They're reborn as the next generation. So there's always for generations of families. Whoa, it's so like David J. Peterson: Like this. There were reasons that it didn't change. It also makes you question because you know that authors always you know like
Write about something important to them. And apparently I was anti change for a while. I don't know. And so some type of logical things its head initial word order. So I had a via so language propositional My thing. Too. I really like you're going to see. I really like the verb to either be the first or the last I Really just like that. Um, alright, so then we're going to jump in because I created this language. I started working on it in 2008 2009 to 10 it became like a lot more
Language like and the grammar just kept getting bigger. And then we're going to fast forward to the year 2013 when I decided to join the LCC five coddling relay And I was placed in the second position or right after someone called David J. Peterson and It was of course it disrupt effects. And so I was freaking out any weeks never met you before. I just knew you were the dose rocky guy and like that was before you were david david Peterson, all in one breath.
And so I was like oh my gosh they put me after him. I can't go after. Anyway, so I get the text and here is roughly what I translated that you sent me David J. Peterson: Or I'm going to read this because I need everybody to hear the full scope. Was translating So this is not about my language. This is about what kind of texts David will create if he is in charge of creating a text for a calling relay Mm hmm.
Come to me, my child, you will leave your family and ride beyond the mountain today but I give this advice to you before you will go don't trust a person who speaks with Turtles, Turtles can't be burned and they will scare your horse. You here, carrots, but only when the moon is full. The moon will strengthen that fruit and you will be strengthened to
Finally, don't touch not once a tree that bears poems those trees are your enemy. They will dishonor you your horse in your ancestors all these trees are totally evil. I will hunt you and kill you if you even look at a tree that bears plans. I sneak this promise to you, my child, I will destroy you. Don't ever touch a plum tree but plums taste sweet, you should eat plums tried plumps to they taste good. Now ride my child right and scream like a goat. I got to the end of that.
And the very first thing I did was I emailed David because I was like, did I just miss translate half the text because I have no idea what I'm doing. And this is so bizarre. And do you remember getting an email from me about that. I do so many years ago.
David J. Peterson: I do. I don't remember how I responded Something along the lines of, I don't have the original so I can't quote, but the message was the whole point of a coddling really is for you to use what you think is there, don't ask these questions. David J. Peterson: Yeah, I mean, I couldn't, despite the fact that I looked upon you as a as a deadly adversary. I couldn't have been that rude. And so if if you would like. If you would like a little trip down memory lane.
David J. Peterson: I will actually find the email. Oh my god, because you know I don't save emails that old. So this was my memory. I'm very curious to know what you actually said Well, David look that up, though. I'm going to fast forward. To it, because I translated it, I got it out in my 48 hour leg and sent it on, then I get to the LCC five, which, by the way, if you don't know that stands for language creation conference, I get there.
And I had no idea what was coming at the end of the day until there was an announcement that the relay participants would get up and read their text from one of everybody. I will really my first reaction was, Okay, I'm gonna run away and pretend I never heard that announcement and just never come back. And then I don't have to worry about it.
Because seriously, put me up in front of thousands of people to do an academic presentation or speech and I'm fine, but asked me to read in a language that's not English Nope. So I think I Think I made it through. The first like two lines and then I just went like, you get the idea. And I David J. Peterson: Did I forgot about that. You know, I have to say, I'm really Sorry. Okay. David J. Peterson: That that's on me. That's on me and I'll tell you why.
David J. Peterson: Because like at that point in time. Like, I started the LCC relay at LCC to and then, you know, we kept it up. And so this was LCC five and of course all con lingers in the community, no it relays are, but I didn't ever realize that David J. Peterson: I was gonna say David J. Peterson: Sorry, I didn't realize that, of course, somebody who didn't know what it was wouldn't realize how we did it. David J. Peterson: Huh, yeah. David J. Peterson: Yeah, so
David J. Peterson: That was a shock. Yeah, that's something that's on me there. I should have. I should have Said that, okay, it's fine. The email. Oh, yeah. David J. Peterson: There we go, sent you the torch. David J. Peterson: Then I sent you an immediate follow up because I left out the word father in the lexicon. That would have been amusing. If that it's good. David J. Peterson: You say thanks, David, I got the text and I'm excited to get my hands dirty in it. David J. Peterson: Like that.
David J. Peterson: Then you said Okay, I never want to hear another email I wrote years ago, cuz David J. Peterson: Hang on, because you're going to hear more. David J. Peterson: Hi, David. Does the Wii prefix on a verb. Make it future tense of the verb begins with a vow. First of all, yes.
David J. Peterson: Also, I just want to make sure I've translated this correctly, the father tells his child to never touch a plum tree, but the child can and should eat the plums. Does that sound like what you had attended David J. Peterson: And then I said, very simply, yes. In the future tense semi-colon on the ladder. You have to decide for yourself. Smiley. See, I don't think that was that was so bad right David J. Peterson: One more. David J. Peterson: Okay, go ahead. No, no. Go. Go on.
David J. Peterson: Go ahead and Play that my perception is all wrong. And we can have a whole discussion about how memory gets good some colored by the fact that I was so nervous to send the email in the first place that David J. Peterson: Yeah, by the way, can we stop and appreciate the fact that I sent you that reply email at 944 in the morning. The hell's I do went up. Like Wow.
David J. Peterson: That's impressive. You you emailed back one minute later, one more question in the title. It has a soul and which I parsed as have a father and own David J. Peterson: Possession. However, I've got an extra David J. Peterson: S. David J. Peterson: Is that a plural marker or is it simply a combining consonant take David J. Peterson: Home can David J. Peterson: You use you use that with animate nouns that and and about just an apathetic connector.
David J. Peterson: Thanks for answering my question. And may I say this text is quite created Smiley, I have my fun with relay text smiling so David J. Peterson: I don't know. That doesn't seem unpleasant. OK, so now that we've read an entire weird. This is going to be like a two hour episode, we're not Look good, but we've read a text message exchange. Yes message, email exchange. David J. Peterson: Yeah yeah Okay, I'm going to see if this works. Oh my gosh, it does. Okay.
I am sending you in chat. A sentence. David J. Peterson: So you got it. Okay, and it's not It's not beautiful, what's up. David J. Peterson: I see no stress is that are the accent stress. I added the acute excellence for stress so that way you would know where to stress it thank You, you're welcome. Everything else is just straight up IPA. So like that's the only just because I don't like doing the IPA little uptick things so I just
Sure, I just do that. Okay. So David is going to read to you a blessing. This is a blessing in the language. David J. Peterson: Okay, and otherwise there's no punctuation right just as is Yeah. David J. Peterson: Okay. And these are replaced balls are voiceless. So if I were really good at speaking the language, everything would have been voiceless, including the bows. David J. Peterson: Hmm, okay. Because it is supposed to be like totally whispered.
Okay. Yes. Now I hope that came through on the recording. Then you just heard wizard that was, that was great pronunciation, by the way. David J. Peterson: There were a couple of stresses that were a little off. It's okay, it's okay. Um, some of those are compounds. And so the stresses off anyway so it's good. David J. Peterson: Especially now because I really love this word. So I want to do it again. David J. Peterson: That's how it should be.
David J. Peterson: Just like that's very, very, very pleasing. David J. Peterson: rhythmic pattern. I love it. Nice. Okay. So, this what you just told everybody the blessing literally translates to May your tree grow and have four branches. because four is a lucky number because always for generations for right so that's the cycle of life. That's everything and
Very big into nature. And so, you know, yeah that's that's the blessing. Now if you changed it by saying, May your tree have three branches, you would be cursing them hoping that they'll always feel like something is missing from life. Or you could curse them by saying, May your tree have five branches. In which case what they're saying is they hope you live in paranoia that something needs to be destroyed. But you don't know what it is. David J. Peterson: Wow. That is awesome.
Intense There's also say There's a curse being created that translates as May your daughter intentionally lie. Because they're very big on honesty and especially from family members and so yeah it's may your daughter intentionally lie. Okay, so that is language, number one. David J. Peterson: I love it. My Dad in 2013 teen. Yes. That was the year I created a language actually for a friend.
Who had written this short story and she wanted a con laying and she didn't know she would ever publish it, but she wanted one and I'm like hey I create one every time I teach my invented class. So like, let's do this. And so it's called COO, Rob. It's, it's okay. I'm My pronunciation of my own names. This is why I'm making David read for me.
But it is the speaker as a translator who wants a language that can express himself better than any existing ones because like all he sees are all the flaws and like the actual languages that he speaks, which are very many And so he creates this language. And in this language. Some of the things the linguistic goals that I had to play around with were that I wanted to keep all the sounds maximally distinct. And so, especially
Among the consonant chart like I really kind of avoided some of the, the middle consonants. They were either really from a really bad. Um, and it's actually my only SV O con line that I've made on my own. I've made another one with David, but this is the only one I've made on my own. That's SEO and its head initial for the most part. I also Excuse me. I also wanted to play around with having a lot of zero derivation. So that way, there's a lot of overlap between different parts of speech.
And David J. Peterson: Hard thing. So that was some of what I was going for. And so this is a very short sentence. Again, fully an IPA and David's going to read that. David J. Peterson: So I began. Wait, I'm sorry. That's straight IPA straight IPA. David J. Peterson: Great idea. David J. Peterson: Without our I began Yes and yes and you just ask, do you understand David J. Peterson: Huh. How's that intonation. I just you know how to do something. So I put it kind of growing up that right
I, I like it. I honestly didn't get that far because it was meant to be written. And so I didn't think about the full Centennial Pronunciation and every word has one syllable. So stress wasn't in that wasn't David J. Peterson: Well, certainly not with the intonation. You know, the Oh yeah, you know. Yeah, but I didn't get that far. So I David J. Peterson: Written you didn't. You didn't even drop a question mark on there. No cuz it's IPA, but
This is the point where David's about the closest laptop and walk away. I'm Done. Here's another sentence. If you want to just hear a little bit more. And this one has my name in it because I was just showing how you can like pop names into questions. So it's another question. David J. Peterson: Huh. David J. Peterson: It's gonna be a little tougher. David J. Peterson: Who watches the way Oh, yes. David J. Peterson: I do Oh, good, good. Sorry, I didn't hear.
David J. Peterson: What you said after that. I said, nice. I thought you under it's good, it's good. So you just asked, Where can I find Jesse David J. Peterson: I'm OK. OK, so that's language. Number two, not really, fully developed. And by the way, because you looked at me funny when I said the name. That's the name of the language. So you can go ahead and read it. David J. Peterson: And it's just on the last syllable. Know smokers.
Yes. And so that's a compound, all, all of the words were one syllable, but Calm down. Sometimes I wrote them as one word and because of the way I named files like I wanted as one word. So technically, it's two words but anyway. David J. Peterson: Yeah, yeah. No. No. Good. It's a whole thing. Okay, so that takes us through 2015 know yeah 2013 so then I taught my invented class again in 2015 and I needed another language and trying to think 17 Know 2015 I know what happened.
Or was that 2013 I am so confused on my dates 2013 was not the year Was it. No. Yes, it was. Yes, it was. I'm so sorry. It was 2015 was the year that I actually was trying something totally different ended up being a language sketch instead of a full Connie. I didn't have time to fill it all out. So I just Moved on in life so that that year is 2017 That's where we get to Noma. Okay. And this is the only one that I actually have online because it's on feeling
My grammar for that. And so this one is a head final language which I wanted to play with, because I hadn't done in SOV language. And the other thing I wanted to experiment with was an office theory language. So this was my first time trying to work from the language and move forward.
And I'm starting to question myself again because I think I actually published this in 2016 which means I would have created it in 2015 which means I have no idea which year I made this David J. Peterson: I thought that you had said 2015 I did. But then I changed my mind. Didn't I Know, whatever. Okay. Yeah, the goal is, it was somewhere after But before No, it was 2015 because now I remember what I did in 2017. Okay. Um, so I'm going to read this short introduction
Because it's in the grammar, too. But like if you recall at one point I said it has influenced from Turkish and you looked at me and I was like, it has reasons and commenters thought that was hilarious, but I was like, they need to know reasons. So, so you don't have to go, like, read the whole thing. But here's where my good Noma language came from.
So first of all, my speakers, by the way, we're obviously my garden gnomes okay Because if you don't know I collect them David knows, but I don't know that everybody listening knows that I I kind of am obsessed with cute little garden gnomes okay So in the early eighth century this history goes back David J. Peterson: Yeah. There's a word like tribe of Goths and they may have been the last Gothic tribe to speak the language. We don't know.
It's a great thing about history, who knows, and they began setting out on raids from their home territory, so they were originally in the community Crimean Peninsula and they started going on grades. The raids often involve kidnapping and Arsene arson, they left neighboring villages and any travelers and very dangerous situations, not good people and one of these bands of travelers that they came across was a group of money.
And so when the gas attack the group they kidnap one of the women killing her husband and sounds in the process. But what they didn't realize what was that they had just kidnapped a skilled which And she was not happy about that. And so instead of extracting revenge by killing the gods. She turned them all into small peaceful creatures who turned into statue in the presence of a human. And so that meant they would be unable to harm any other humans.
And so in casting such a powerful spell she transferred some of her magical powers to them. So they did have this special power to care for the earth, which is why they're associated with Gardens and the which found her ravished band of fellow travelers lead them back to the Goth camp and they collected all the statues and then they ended up kind of taking them with them.
They moved into an area with Turkish settling settlers and the small statues were placed in gardens and lush vegetation grew all around them. So many years later they had lost a lot of their original culture and language because they were surrounded by sounds of other languages, including many IN TURKISH And though the gospel could still move in speak with each other in the absence of humans their movements were obviously constrained because there's just these little garden gnome things
And so that's good. There's more to it, but I'm going to skip that part. And eventually, a leader emerged, they called for a revival of their own have a new culture. And not the word like culture they had and also their language had had, you know, changed quite a bit as well so
They adopted a new identity. So they left behind their graphic identity to become the good known Moni, a word borrowed from Greek meaning the ones that know And this reflects the fact that humans view them as only statues, but they had intelligence and wisdom stored from their years of experiences human watchers and so they use this new cultural identity to name their language and they called it granola.
And so that is who the speakers are David J. Peterson: Do they have sentience or conscience, while they're in their statue for him. Yes, so they can watch that's why they're like such good human watchers. So they see everything going on around them. They feel it. They know it but they they can't say anything or do anything until there's no few months. David J. Peterson: Wow, that's really good as a punishment. Okay.
So they also, by the way, can't die unless they get broken and then that's how they die. And so some of them are still like thousands of years old and yeah and that's why, like the worst thing that any of them could say like their, their version of the F bomb is break you. And that's like Just cross the line there. Okay, so I'm giving you a sentence. This one came with a period on it.
Also an IPA with accent marks to tell you where to stress, if there's no accent mark. It's on the first syllable. David J. Peterson: Yes. And this is straight IPA. Yeah. Great IPA. David J. Peterson: Yes, regular trill our David J. Peterson: Man Here you drill and arm. David J. Peterson: Is very nice. Thank you. Okay. Okay. David J. Peterson: Yeah do grab Beyonce. David J. Peterson: Generated the astronaut the end yeah do Caribbean's twice. Go money.
David J. Peterson: Now wrong stress. Yeah, dude. Robbie. And I go, man named good mood zombie David J. Peterson: Maximum right there. The beyond was yeah yeah wife's car yard was Nice. Yeah. Those I really wanted those Jimena in showing up in odd places but I struggle with saying it so it never comes out right when I say it. David J. Peterson: It has David J. Peterson: See, I just want a little bit more practice with this. So usually, that's what I do. I guess that
David J. Peterson: I feel like it's got a very nice, real into it. I began to. I go, man. Give him a, b, and was your wife. Yeah. There we go. That was David J. Peterson: Nice. You only needed like twice. You just said. Just said a wizard gave two men seeds that would grow into magical trees. David J. Peterson: I started with. The start of a fable. Nice. So one of the things I like to do is have fun with like curses and blessings and things like that. And so
It's really taboo for them to talk about fights or wars among themselves because of their history because like that's what turned them into stone. Right, so like it's really taboo to talk about it. So they do though have native words. So like
Do you gun means fight, but it's never used because that's their like their native word, and it's really taboo to say it. And so if they want to talk about humans fighting. They actually borrowed the word caulk gun in if they want to refer to their own fighting. They use a euphemism. Ooh, Qian which means to make a lot of noise. David J. Peterson: Hmm, that's good. And then a curse. Is give Young's are young, which means grow bad plants. Okay, so that is good Noma. Thank you, little nose.
Okay, so then I'm back on track with my years. I know what year it is. In 2017 I created Guinness. Oh, and this language. Really my goal was to do more work with head final languages. And experiment with say head final, I swear. This was head initial though. I mean, you know, it said It said final For some reason, I just thought the structure was different. And I also wanted to experiment with highly a gluten eating languages.
That had noun categories, but not known categories and the way that you have a base and you have fun with it because I didn't do that. It was more that I was inspired by languages like Swahili and higher and higher, like where if you want to say like one. You have to know what noun class you're dealing with, like, you can't even say like, what the number one is unless you know what you're counting like that kind of
Yeah, so I wanted to do that. And so then this language is just back to being a priori, like all the rest of my languages are just For me, and so these speakers lives of the Guinea. So the language name and the people name is the same. They live on an island on an alternate version of Earth. And they when they arrived on the island. Originally they settled in a tropical forest area. Because that's where just where, you know, the sea brought them in
And so lots of like big trees and everything. And they actually took their boats and tied them up into the trees to create shelters high off the ground.
Which is good because the the forest floor actually has many poisonous plants and insects and once they figure that out there like, oh, we should keep living entries. So this is actually like a tree civilization. They live up in And like, with all the big bridges connecting them and everything was great to Imagine that look like So when they first arrived there their group is really unified and they have a small oligarchy to make major decisions.
And eventually, like their, their community needed to be divided like up into groups of people who are responsible for different aspects of life. And so like they have builders expedition teams caretakers crafters, and so on. So, like they're they very much know like everybody has this purpose.
Otherwise, they can't stay. They celebrate their mother goddess in an assortment of minor gods and goddesses, all of whom also worship the mother goddess and their major festival is an annual festival of lights that celebrates how the mother goddess led them via the stars to the island. And so this is this group and here Is a sentence. For David to read And this was my first language with an objective. David J. Peterson: C didn't have experience with it before manager.
David J. Peterson: Okay, I think I got it. David J. Peterson: You book added a new failure on what the ad that you're mad. Yes. Oh, that's nice. Well, my languages sounds so much better when someone else's reading them. David J. Peterson: And this this type of thing is easier for this. I don't know. I don't even know how to define it, but I just like looking at all the languages is like, yeah, I can do that one.
Excellent. This one is third person animate subjects or whether it she or he found berries near that tall tree so You know, talking about that. I'm in it. We do have a post position. So this is a post positional language being all head final and whatnot. And I also did another thing I experimented with was by personal marketing and so the verb is the final word. And so the thought is the third singular subject, and then you'll is the third person plural object.
David J. Peterson: So you basically like predicted many David J. Peterson: Like I was preparing I was preparing myself before I knew that it would be a thing. David J. Peterson: Yeah. And like many she was even originally, you know, had final with David J. Peterson: Great, you know, word final verbs. That's so wild. It really is. It's funny how those workout. So that then brings me to The last time I taught the class, I don't know, like, Do I dare try to create a another language for the class.
When I'm already Working with you on so many languages. I'm probably shouldn't do it. But like, let me tell you it's darn tempting because I love creating languages with my students So, Con line number five is what, you know, though. And this one is VSO This one also is the first language that I actually created intending it to be a producer language for a family of con links. So like Because again, with the proto forms. I'm like, I want to know what the whole portal form would have been
But, but I also because I couldn't have it be like an actual full on proto language just because I needed to go ahead and create grammatical features that wouldn't have been there and appropriately. So anyway, it's kind of a mess, but That was my goal was, I had specific goals for how it would evolve. Also my big linguistic experiment for this one is that this language has no adjectives or adverbs. And so I wanted to play around with that. And
This is also meant to be part of a story. I like to create stories. And so like every introductions every language. I have is, like, this big. Introduction to who the speakers are. And so, yes, this one. My introduction. So I was reading one day why I don't know, but I was reading this book called What if the earth had two moons. And it's a thought experiment.
By Neil F Coleman's it's a thought experiment about what the consequences of Earth capturing a second large mass moon would be. And so he talks about a lot of possibilities, including like drastic high tides fewer possibilities of coastal living without engineering planning. Brighter nights, potentially, resulting in different camouflage systems for prey and more intelligent nocturnal predators that rely on other senses like smell sound and heat detection.
More meteoric showers and potentially more meteor impacts more solar eclipses. And a more complex calendar with full and partial months, I will not talk about how long I spent on trying to figure out what to moon calendar.
Would look like there was a lot of research going on. He further states that the new moon might have volcanic activity, just because of the pool from both moons as well visible from Earth. And that would be like a potential source of inspiration from mythical lore. And so I was like That's my world right there. It's earth but future earth after capturing a second moon.
And now this new earth, mind you, has stabilized since the appearance of the second moon human societies have redeveloped for a while it was mass chaos. And they appeared around the globe, but now they face a lot more competition for land and living space from more advanced predators and things like that. So, like, it's The New Earth is less viable land for living because the coastal regions all get flooded all the time because of the stronger tide. So it's like a lot of the coastal areas, just
Are underwater. Now I'm also the new moon also caused a period of intense tsunamis and earthquakes. So it actually changed a lot of the landscape and livable area anyway. And so these new civilizations are much smaller than anything we would think of as like a big place. And in fact, the majority of human civilizations on this new earth really like a big civilization would be like in the the low thousands like 3000 would be a big civilization.
But most of them are smaller groups of like 300 400, something like that. Um, so, humans are struggling because the hardiest who are surviving must also combat both nature and human inclination to dominate the land and other available resources. And so when they do come in contact with each other battles frequently breakout resulting in more depth. Just one thing
And the people that I created specifically here the piano. So the language is working on it though. The people are working piano They have settled in old Earth's Western Europe in like a hilltop city. And they have technologies, kind of like what we would associate with more classical Civilization, like, you know, more stone based they have ships made for fishing or food gathering, but like you got to be really brave to go out on the sea, because remember water with two moons.
It said it's a trip. And in low tides. They, they live nearly a mile from the nearest coast, but in the highest tides. The water actually comes and fills up aqua ducks within their city so like there's a big area there. Mainly agrarian living off the land stockpile food, etc, etc. But everybody all hands on deck for survival and so their word for good is you them, which literally translates as useful and the word for bad is near home which like literally translates as useless.
David J. Peterson: This is basically exactly the same thing as death, Rocky. Did you know that No I did not. Yeah. I told you I haven't watched Game of Thrones. Right. David J. Peterson: Well, they don't really go over that. Okay, okay. But I still have not watched Game of I'm sorry. David J. Peterson: I'm trying to imagine like you know Season two Episode seven like know the death rocky word for good is actually a cognitive or say big as the words for useful. You see, so It's great.
David J. Peterson: do that a lot. Sorry, you go So yeah, in case anybody's wondering why I tried watching Game of Thrones, but I personally cannot watch a lot of killing on screen. And so I had to stop because my hands were covering my eyes so much and they were speaking in other languages. And it turns out, you'd have to look at subtitles to know what's being said David J. Peterson: We're just learning the language. Come on. You're right, you're right.
David J. Peterson: Calling me up. So I'm giving you two sentences for that. David J. Peterson: Okay. Go back to back, though, so it's good. David J. Peterson: Oh, Oh, second secondary stress is marked David J. Peterson: Oh, interesting strategy for secondary stress. David J. Peterson: Okay. And that's, again, very strict IPA. So that's the trail. You feel are true, yes. David J. Peterson: Mm hmm. David J. Peterson: OK. OK.
And I even put periods at the end so you know where this first sentence. It's very the first sentence is obviously much shorter And for everyone. I just want you know David staring at it. He'll get there. David J. Peterson: Here we go. David J. Peterson: More walk la David J. Peterson: La right David J. Peterson: Now, now, it wasn't the best ball walk lead so walk in. David J. Peterson: Faith.
Yeah, there was a better bell David J. Peterson: Fight any way you can swap Z to move way union only now exceeded days, who adds a Wonderful and you just said a tree grows in a field. She believes that she herself possesses strength because of this her branches or near the sky goddess. Nice. Start of a fable. I like to read the most David J. Peterson: Consistent five and I am here for
You. I have my certain taste. So one of the things that, like, That makes me laugh most about this language in terms of what I like built into it because The society right like they're really concerned just about their own survival. And so, in thinking about, like, if you're super concerned about making sure that your community can survive.
They definitely treat finding and keeping mates very differently. And so, like, it's really bizarre for one for to have monogamous relationships because the whole goal is like you'll populate with like the best people. We can so that way. Very, very much like survival of the fittest. Very But like that also means that there's
There's a lot of siblings or half siblings floating around. Right. And so I created a way that's like based on their word for sibling that essentially the way you hit on someone is to ask are you my sibling. And like, if they're if they're not interested. The answer is to essentially say a phrase that would translate as probably so like Go on. Or if you're interested, the follow up question is, who are your parents. And so then you would compare parent names.
But that just kind of cracked me up the way I kind of hold dialogue ready So that is worked, you know, David J. Peterson: Yeah. And that is language. Number five. By the way, the entire fable. This tree. And Because we have some minutes left. I actually like this fable, what I like it when I delight myself. David J. Peterson: With my own
Okay, so she's angry because she thinks she's amazing. She's very strong because her branches so tall, she's so close to the sky goddesses in the plural. There are three But she is forced to sway every time the wind blows in that just really makes her angry. And so the taller. The tree grows, the more it moves in the wind.
And because of the movement, the tree feels she is weak. So the tree tries to tell the wind. You know, like, Hey, I'm stronger than you. You can't be seen. Why are you annoying me go away. And the wind is all like, I can't stop blowing, you should ask the Goddesses, to give you more strength. And so then the tree goes to each goddess and turn, because again, there's three
Need Sue says no, that's one goddess. So then the tree asked tofu, but the keto was like not even listening, so that one's out. So then the tree asked cleave when does the lady of the sky and Play. When does like, Are you sure this is what you want. And the tree is like, yes, it is my only desire. So Cliff window warrants Warren's okay I'm gonna give you what you want.
And so the branches become stronger and harder the tree enjoys her strength. The wind blows in the field. The tree laughs because she thinks she's too strong to be hurt by the wind. And then the wind blows stronger and the trees branches snap off and fly away and the tree Christ. How am I breaking in live when the answers when you cannot move, you must break David J. Peterson: Okay. David J. Peterson: That is really good. David J. Peterson: And you have a lot of work and all of us.
Yes. Yes. David J. Peterson: That's wonderful. So those are five of my languages. David J. Peterson: And I love them all. That's amazing. Wow. David J. Peterson: Thank you for that, because especially I didn't know much about the later ones. Now because they all just live In documents. David J. Peterson: That are waiting to be put into PDFs and sent to me to put up on the other. Well, Actually, I should give you the, the good news. The one is really, really.
David J. Peterson: You should Brief, but the walked in auto is I should send that one. David J. Peterson: If it's at least a single page. That'll do it. Oh, it may be like 60 David J. Peterson: Hmm. David J. Peterson: See It's got a few pages. Um, okay, so look on feeling where eventually Went David J. Peterson: There we go. Now I can fill in some of those months. But, uh, but yeah, so that's wanted to Introduce you to those languages. And then we have an Episode eight in a wrap.
David J. Peterson: That's right. I mean, I call it to afford whatever You know, whatever episode. It is Did you have any David J. Peterson: No, that was wonderful. Thank you so much. I really appreciate that. That was so cool. David J. Peterson: Wow, man. Yeah, you put on a lot more work into these languages that I put into my earlier ones. David J. Peterson: I mean, I don't know about that. David J. Peterson: Only thing that probably comes closest common Cali and that's just one
David J. Peterson: Or my first language was was just terrible and embarrassing. Everybody knows about that. Because you talk about it all the time. David J. Peterson: I know what do I do that just embarrassing. I don't know. I think it's because I want to be sure people know that I'm not, like, you know, some sort of a David J. Peterson: Statue or something, I don't know, like, you know what I mean. You're, you're no money.
David J. Peterson: No, I'm like people. People need to know what kind of trash, I am you know No, I don't. David J. Peterson: Know, I mean, it's like you know that's that's how you. That's how you build first, first you lay down the trash. It's a good foundation and then you build on the truck. You learn from the first one. Okay. Move on. David J. Peterson: You put a frame around it and keep showing it to everybody. See, see. It is good, though, because I think
In every community. I think that this is a problem, but I see it a lot in common linking communities is that this feeling of whether it's imposter syndrome or just all out like comparing yourself to somebody who's been doing it a lot longer. I definitely see a lot of comments that show that it's like, oh, I mean, it's not that good. But
And that's one thing that I i hate hearing that from other people. So like if I ever hear my students say that I actually stopped them. And I'm like, No, there is no like that. Don't say it's not that good. You're working with what you got, let's let's work with, let's work with this. And so that, to me, I think is important that people get out there like, hey, like my first attempt wasn't the best or like I look back and I wish I had done this differently.
I think that's really good for people to just be open about and be honest because It does bother me whenever especially beginning con lingers get really down on themselves. I don't know. It just makes me want to send a con Lincoln KG to them and say, not just keep working. You'll get what you want. And like your first one is never the best anyway so David J. Peterson: Yeah, and like Malmo when I started out. If I had known know it's been going to catch up so that you know
David J. Peterson: I I needed that period of, you know, creating this terrible language. And again, that not only was it the best language in the world, but that I was the best person in the world, because that's what I truly believe David J. Peterson: Anything I did was just perfect. Obviously, David J. Peterson: Yeah, like that's that's what I've been saying basically obviously David J. Peterson: You are. Yeah. David J. Peterson.
David J. Peterson: And I, and I had been since I created my signature in seventh grade. Which I have to say is really a nice signature. It's very artistic David J. Peterson: Thank you. I put a lot of work into it. Well, since seventh grade. That is impressive. So are there any final words that you want to say to our dear listeners. David J. Peterson: I don't know. I can never think of anything.
David J. Peterson: But, and it's like the only word I always remember from your languages is Interesting. David J. Peterson: I don't know, it always it always stuck out to me. Nice. Okay, well, then in that case, I'll end it on saying thank you for listening and stay grammar. David J. Peterson: And happy going The grammar.