Land Of The Creeps Episode 427 : Kills & Killers

Welcome to Land the Creeps Horror Podcast. I'm your host Greg Amortis calling in from North Caggy Lackey. That's North Carolina to all you Northerners and you're listening to episode 427. of LOTC, baby. And we're super excited tonight. We're back.

Yes, we're back. Back again. Oh, God. Okay, I quit singing. But if you're new to the show, welcome. We're officially... skypless tonight because we've recorded skype forever and a day i mean literally this podcast has always been via skype And now we're zoom, we're zooming, we're zoom, zooming. uh i zoom zoom zoom so uh it's new we got some hiccups going on uh one of the hiccups is bill van bagel is not on the episode right now so maybe he'll pop on here in a little bit we hope so if not

We'll hear from them on a later date or whatever. But we do have, of course, the crew here with special.

guests that we have been so secretively mentioning throughout the last couple weeks, right? I can't wait to get into that, but let's go ahead and welcome in the crew. We'll go ahead. outside of philadelphia pa and welcome in the dvd infatuation uh podcast and many other things we love love love our our encyclopedia of knowledge himself dave dr shot what's up dave and greg

Good to be here. Yes, this is probably the first time that you and I have recorded um well definitely the land of the creeps um without without uh skype but going back to the first time when we were first recording back in 2010 it was always skype so uh this is going to be a little unusual It's definitely different. It's a little bit different. But no, and Zoom, you were doing a Zoom, that's that old PBS show, right? Yes. I remember, I think it used to play right after the electric company. Yes.

when i was a kid i don't remember the theme song on that one quite as well i don't i didn't hang around to watch that one you know i was usually out by the end of the electric company But, no, this is going to be fun, and as you mentioned, we have a very special guest. Yes, who we'll get to right here in one moment. Let's go ahead and welcome in first the Twisted Temptress herself, the love of my life, my wife. I'll just say me wife. What's up, Pearl?

Hi, me husband. Hi, me wife. How are you doing? I am good. I'm actually on the phone trying to get someone on, and we all know who. I actually have to accept, I can admit, So we'll do that while you're introducing. Okay, because he says he has joined, so... No, he has not joined yet, but he will join. Let's see if we can pop him over. If he says he's joined, ask who he's talking to. Right?

May not. We'll see. We're going to admit. We'll see if he joins here. But this is super exciting, Pearl. We've got a special guest coming on who we are super excited to have. Many of the listeners know. But do they know? They might know. I'm more than sure they do know. They've been hearing a certain someone throughout the airwaves. And they've been looking over their shoulders quite a bit. Holy shit. And guess who? Came in.

No, he's not there, he is. No, he's there. He's there, hang on. I assume it says he's on mute. There he is now, he's there. There we go. Okay, there he is. I was just about ready to, I think I sweat five pounds off swearing at my computer. But we're going to introduce our guest first before the late one goes last. Let's welcome in our special guest for tonight. He is...

We don't know. We don't know who he is. He's an unknown caller, though. We have him on. Alright, unknown caller. Introduce yourself, my friend. Unknown caller. Don't scare me like that! What's happening? You got me looking over my shoulder, damn it. If he's looking at you through the window, right? If he's looking behind me, I don't mind that feeling. Oh, there's a fucking Canadian on there.

The line finally cleared. It's because we got a frost board. Well, we got five minutes left, so if you want to give your plugs, go home. Welcome, unknown caller. It's good to have you home, buddy, officially. Thanks for having me. Absolutely. Do you prefer Mr. Caller or just Unknown? Unknown sounds great. Unless you mention Unknown in something and I may respond so I'll try and keep it quiet.

I'm going to call you UC. I actually like UC. I was actually thinking that's a good idea. UC works. Let's see if I can remember to say UC. So, Mr. UC on the line with us. But let's go ahead and welcome me in.

from Canada. He is the butcher of non-computery. Let's go ahead and welcome Bill VanVegel. What's up, Bill? This is what I need right now It sounds like you were blowing that smoke into your computer I would have squirted anything on the damn computer to get it going. Yeah, how I welcome everybody. I had the biggest bunch of computer crap I had to deal with, so I am enraged like a killer, which is our topic.

this is true and so everybody i'm glad to have the unknown caller finally here i'm finally happy to smile again and i don't want to hold us up anymore so let's get rolling let's do it so the episode tonight we're talking

killers. We're talking some favorite kill moments in horror cinema. Pearl? Yes. We're going to be talking all about killers because we got them. You see on here the unknown killer himself. So, you know. Well, see, that would be UK one. Yeah, that thing about Unknown Call, that's a bit of a Freudian slip there.

You'll be pissing off another demographic. Yeah, we might not. We might give it the unknown caller. I don't think I can maintain a British accent the entire time. But we're super excited. So what we're going to do is... uh we'll do our shots here in a second so we'll get them out of the way first but then the episode itself will be Us talking about killers, our favorite killers, our favorite kill moments in cinema. Those things. We're going to throw out five memorable moments.

Our memorable kills. each of us and we're doing it in a round robin style so We're going to start with the UC, and then we'll head to Dave, and then we'll head to Pearl, and then Bill, and then myself, and we'll all each give one round robin style until we get through our five. We can name, I'm sure, all of us can name hundreds. I've got some backup. So if one of mine gets mentioned.

i'll just go to the next one and that's how we'll keep on rolling you know and i've got lots i i chose i think i something like 13 or 14 off the top of my head that's right like i didn't do any research my my research was If it got through to the point where I remember it, good enough for me. There you go.

So we'll do five, and then when we close out tonight, we'll do honorable mentions and throw a few more out if they haven't been mentioned. In between, we'll be doing voicemails, so we have some calls come in. We'll let you, the listeners, come in on those as well. Can't wait to hear what... Each one of you came up with that super awesome.

So I think without further ado, let's go ahead and get our shots down because it sounds like Bill needs to probably have a stiff one over there. A stiff water. What did you say I need? Oh, you know what you need, boy. Bang! I have my Jim Beamon honey as always in a very gorgeous beautiful very busy shall i say shot glass of california and there is like every i'm assuming multiple landmarks on here i know i've got the bear I know I've got the Golden State Bridge. I know I've got

A lot of stuff on there. There's a lot in Beverly Hills. There's a lot of them. So anyways, that's what I have tonight. So let's head over to Bill, what you're drinking tonight? I have got squirty juice and water, and mixed in is a rock star called Strawberry Freeze. So, we'll see if it freezes me up. Alright, Doc, what you drinking tonight? I have, what coffee is, oh, I think this is just Colombian coffee in my trusty Wawa, I guess, thermos. That keeps it scalding hot much longer than I'd like.

I was gonna say Dave I was watching a video the other day and somebody was comparing Wawa to sheets they're another grocery yes i i saw that sheets is another local one um they are a little bit a little further north from me but where my parents live in lancaster they're all over up there they have wawa and sheets up there

And Sheetz is pretty amazing too. I'm not going to take anything away from them, but Wawa is sort of the standard around here. So what's the pecking order between Bucky, Sheetz, and Wawa? I'm not as familiar with Bucky's. I would say Bucky's before Wawa. Okay, I've not been to Bucky's.

Um, but I would, uh, I would put Wawa first. Um, and, uh, and Sheetz is a, is a close second because they're, they, they're pretty amazing stuff. They're like, they have, uh, they're basically almost like a little restaurant in there too and that's what Wawa is as well you can get like a lot of different things in there and it's uh you get dinner there you can just get coffee there they um you can fuel up uh it's yeah they're they're pretty uh they're pretty great

Hey kids, you want to go hang out at the gas station today? Sure. You can get gas there, but there's a lot more going on there. And it is a hangout. Jesus, in the morning, sometimes I go there, like when I'm coming back from the gym, and it's these same three guys standing around the trash can outside.

like smoking people are walking by throwing away their trash and they got their like breakfast sandwiches sitting on the trash can like it's just like this it's like a receptacle type thing not just one can But yeah, the trash can crew and every time I walk by they're bitching and moaning about something. Bunkies is like a city. I don't even know how to explain it. Cleanest bathrooms I've ever seen, but they're food stations and the amount of things they have in there.

We'll blow both of those away. And I've only been to it once. Nice. Yeah, I visited once and my God, it's like a mini mall. It's crazy. Alright, Pearl, what you drinking on tonight? I have A&W cream soda because I need the sugar tonight. She needs the sugar. So yeah, A&W cream soda. Let's head over to the UC. What you drinking on the night? Have a nice Chianti. with some type A-B blood.

Do we not know who's AB blood? Yes, but the rarest blood. I was expecting you to say fava beans. Later, later, later. All right, well, let's go ahead and count it down. We'll count down. Three, two, one, Chuck. It's all so smooth. I love it. I like it. Ah, now I've got to put the Warlords version one. So here we are tonight.

We're talking horror. We're talking killers. We got the UC online here. The unknown caller himself coming in. Probably... in each other's houses right now we don't even know it so as we're recording if you start hearing us one by one quit recording and you hear you see over there laughing a little bit You know, call 911 at the end of this show and check on each one of us. You're going to find out Greg is going to say he is Zooming from inside the house.

I just named full names and addresses of everyone that called him. There you go. Well, if he's at my house, can you finish cutting the back lawn? I'll cut something. Yeah, there you go. As long as it doesn't slip on the frost, right? That's exactly right. So I thought it's very fitting that you came up with the idea of killers.

uh killer moments in movies and whatnot our favorite kill scenes i thought it was very fitting for you to be on the episode and choosing that theme i thought it's awesome so we're super excited we got some uh Some lined up here that I cannot wait to get to. I'm chomping at the bit. Oh man, so many. I just come off top of my head. with a lot of these and

They're bangers, man. They're literally bangers and some of them are literally bangers and you'll know what it means when it gets to it but we're super excited about this so the The way we're going to roll with this, like I said, we'll sprinkle some voicemails in between our shenanigans as well. But we're going to do it in round robin, so we'll start with the UC and work our way down. And I think we're just going to go ahead and start off this thing.

with killers. I think what I would like to talk about is what would you say, Pearl? What do we consider? How is we going to word that about the killer? Like what type of killer? Like what drives a killer? Like what drives a killer, I guess, is what it is. In your opinion, it's cinema and we don't have to necessarily get to.

moments yet let's look at killers themselves okay so what drives in let's specifically say horror movies i think most of the time it's uh trauma childhood Issues. I think childhood issues. Well, in the movies, that's certainly where they normally go, right? Yeah, or vengeance. Revenge. Revenge is definitely a big key. When I think, when I look at most of it, like you take a Jason Voorhees or you take a, who else would you throw out there? Freddy Krueger would be more of a...

I guess more of a vengeance, you know? When I'm thinking vengeance, I always think of maniacs. True. Yeah. That's a good one. So, I mean, there's different killers and there's different motives behind killers in horror cinema. I mean, when you say killers in horror cinema, I mean...

They're all killers, right? I mean, if not, there's not a horror movie. There's got to be death. Or it's not really necessarily a horror movie, whether it's a haunting, a possession, or something. Usually somebody dies, and it's usually via the hands of somebody or something.

So, to just say killers is kind of vague so to bring it down and say okay there are certain types of killers And I like that aspect in horror movies because for me, being a slasher fan, right, I specifically prefer My Killers to be somewhat human-like. So when I'm saying that, I'm talking about a physical force, like whether it be a Michael Myers, even though he did become supernatural in later episodes or series. but a Michael Myers or

Jason Voorhees, who we surely know became supernatural. Yes, yes. Being resurrected by lightning. Yes. And a freaking lightning. After being a decayed corpse. Not just a corpse. A decayed corpse. That's funny. I saw an interview with Robert Englund and he was saying they were talking about they were on the serious level of doing Jason versus Freddy versus Ash. And there was all kinds of squabbles about it.

And Robert Engle goes, what do you mean I can't be revived? You revived me with urine. You brought me back to life with urine.

I saw that. It was like they were fighting because they didn't because ash was was probably gonna win and they're like we don't want to kill freddy off again and then and robin is like what are you talking about you kill me off all the time and you always bring me back right what's the big deal well i mean honestly when it cut freddy's like a totally different force anyway so I mean in a death In a Freddy Krueger situation, it's all about dream, right? It's in the dream world. So in dream world,

Death is part of dreams all the time. It would be like nothing to kill a killer off in a dream. And then the next day, wake up and go on and be on your own business. And then wake up and, oh, wait, guess what? I'm going to go to sleep tonight. Oh, shit, there's Freddy again. I killed him last night. I mean, it happens every- you know what I mean? You kill-

In your dreams sometimes, you're like, I fucking killed you last night, bitch. And then, wait, you go back to sleep, and you're like, well, motherfucker, why are you a pack again? because guess what it was a dream so he's a different type killer so Human type. You can get into Cropsey from the Burning. You get into these killers like that. I tend to lean a little more towards those more than I would something like a a supernatural or whatever.

So you like an actual serial killer? I like an actual- uh serial killer like killer i like somebody that i can follow this person and and see you know henry portrait of serial killer which is a very twisted dark you know well it's based on reality exactly you're looking at a real life um serial killer there which which is always a little bit more troubling for me uh just because when when it gets into that realm like i can watch i can watch jason voorhees dispatch you know 15 people in a movie

It's not gonna bother me. But, um, then when you watch something like, like, uh, what was that? Carla. Yeah. You know about those killings up in Canada. What was it? I can't remember. Carla Homolka and Paul Bernardo. Yeah. Which was that one more than most because they were really trying to make you sympathize with her. um which they really shouldn't have done uh but um and but you know something like um um oh god what was the no man of god where the interviews with, was it Ted Bundy? Yeah.

Those type of things are just a little more troubling to me knowing that this is real. That actual people were killed by these individuals. You know, and then you can say all you want about like, oh, well, you know, Psycho and Texas Chainsaw don't work based on Ed Gein, but it's not Ed Gein. You know, it's not like these are actual Ed Gein crimes. that he had perpetrated. And I just find it a little more troubling when it gets into the real life ones.

And I'm saying that knowing our special guest could very well be in the ranks of that group. So this is episode 427, correct? Yes. So I looked at the meaning of 427. And it's a message of encouragement, urging individuals to trust the divine guidance leading them toward fulfilling their life purpose. And so the theories about killers is interesting because Do you think killers are born? Or are they made?

I mean, that's actually a good question. It really is. That's a very good question. I mean, is it nature versus nurture? Is it... Does something happen to them? I mean a lot of times in the movies when you look at even something like Billy in Black Christmas that they tried to show you in the remake from was it 2009 I think? that it was a trauma from his childhood that sort of pushed him that way. And you see that. It's so funny because in Friday the 13th, you had...

And this is spoilers for anybody who has not seen the Friday the 13th movie. Oh my god, don't do it. Skip forward a little bit. You had Mrs. Voorhees taking revenge for the death of Jason. The next movie, Jason taking revenge for the death of Mrs. Porky's. Right. That's true. That's true. I spit on your grave, though, too. Yes. Revenge. Somebody brought up revenge earlier.

And none of that would have happened if what had happened to her hadn't happened. That's right. Yep. So that one was somebody that was made. Yes, that's very true. That's very true. Yeah, I think, and here's my two cents, which means nothing. But for me, I feel like maybe, you know, I don't know that anybody is fully... And I don't know because I'm not a scientist. I'm not a whatever. There's no proof. There's no way to know this. But for me, I would feel hard-pressed that there would be

somebody as wicked as a Ted Bundy or somebody actually born at white. But do you believe in reincarnation? That's the thing. If you believe in reincarnation, it's very possible. that there is an evil there. I mean, one that we, you know, and it's your favorite, Greg, Michael Myers. You look at Michael Myers. What he from the time we meet him nobody had done anything to him And, you know, when you got into the Rob Zombie, they explained it a little bit more. But when you look at that 1978 film,

Nobody had done anything to him. And you have Dr. Loomis, you know, talking, saying that, you know, he'd spent so many years trying to reach him and the rest trying to keep him locked up because there was nothing but pure evil. behind his eyes leading you to believe he was born that way true but now not reality this is a movie so yes no that's true that's true but i get exactly what you're saying uh so for me I don't know, man. I'm hard pressed. I really feel like maybe...

Maybe there's something genetic. Maybe there's something... I don't know, Pearl, what do you... Me? Well, it's not going back to Freddy Krueger. It's not the son born of a thousand maniacs. But you gotta realize, too, like... For example, like Norman Bates. Right. In one of the movies, he was afraid of the girl getting pregnant. Why? Because he thought it would transfer genetically because

Supposedly, psychiatrists say it's neurological. It can happen. It's in his blood, supposedly, as he puts it. It can happen. I mean, it's hard to say, and I don't like necessarily talking about killers like that. Serial killers don't really... You know, it's like that subject that's like taboo for me, like I don't.

necessarily like to i don't know give me a movie i think i think in movies the whole overview of killing um there's different types there's the visionary there's the mission oriented there's the hedonistic there's the power control there's the organized and disorganized so i think that applies to every movie that we watch you know somebody mentioned maniac before that was very disorganized yeah sure right and but then you look at norman bates and he was a little bit more organized

you know and part of that could have been the um um i guess from uh whose perspective we're seeing it from if you think about it Joe Spinel was the lead character of Maniac, so it's going to be that way because he's the one we're following.

When in Psycho, we started following Marion Crane. So we're seeing Norman through her eyes initially. So that's why it maybe seemed like a little bit more like, okay, it's not quite so helter-skelter, but with Maniac, We're spending our time with Joe Spinell. He's the main character. He's the one we're hanging around with. That could be why it's a little more chaotic, because

That's his mind. He's obviously warped, and we're sort of seeing the world along with him. Right, and then you think about Art the Clown. He's hypnistic. Yeah. Because he just kills to kill.

Exactly. Here's my take. My take is that Not everybody necessarily is born able or bad, but I think everybody in their heart of hearts is capable if something happens. Sure. And so, like, for example, Cropsey. Cropsey would have been happy living his life in his little cabin in the woods for 100 years until an event happened that made him seek revenge, right?

So there are certain things that the most educated, well-rounded, sane people can have that click harry warden would have probably just been a would have just been a minor it just would have been a minor yeah exactly or but on the other hand like me being a teacher I've seen kids that come in with a certain disposition where you know You're gonna own your money today.

and like for example my daughter ella she's turning 10 in august i have not once ever seen her melt down cry or yell oh cry but yell and have a fit like i'm one of those parents i'm lucky she will always be well behaved But that doesn't mean in 15 years somebody double-crossed There are people born with certain intellectual deficiencies.

not and through no fault of their own it could be genetic it could be chromosomal it could be fetal alcohol syndrome it could be uh one of something on the spectrum that because they're Brain is not able to function at the level of an adult aged person They just do and they're easily manipulated or they just do because it isn't as well thought through. Or they do something based upon a diagnosis that went wrong or whatever.

So you can be like somebody with fetal alcohol syndrome has no memory retention and has no ability and has a much lesser social ability and they're very easily led astray. So there's a lot of kids that end up being killers that aren't at the same intellectual level. I can see it. I mean, you just never know. I mean, there's situations that can arise that can make, like you said, I can see where you're going with that as far as a trigger. or some kind of situation. I mean, we see

We see every day, you know, somebody loses their job, they lose their home, they lose their family, they live on the street, and then you never know what goes from there, right? They get unhinged. They get unhinged. So there's situations, remember the movie, unhinged.

Yeah, well, that one, but unhinged. I mean, with Russell Crowe, when he went from being a normal person to having that road rage incident, right? And it was all because of situations that happened to him. uh during a course of a few days weeks whatever and then you know just one thing triggered him and bam right so hopefully that never happened i'm gonna say what's that what was the asian one was it a guest house what was the one where the girl Wanted the apartment across the street

and she couldn't get it because it was going to be rented out and she made sure she killed all the people that were going for the dream house dream house that was it so that mean that's a situational I mean she probably otherwise wouldn't have done it

I just still feel like somewhere deep down, conscience has to kick in somewhere. You know you're doing wrong, and it's whether you say, okay, I know this is wrong. Am I going to act on this, or am I going to be... the better person and understand that this is wrong you know what i mean so i think you know some of that

gets triggered too. There are serial killers literally with no conscience. Psychopaths and sociopaths, they don't care. But were they born that way? Nobody knows. I don't think anybody would fully be able to know that. Clearly, when you're an infant, I don't think you would be able to say this child's going to be

When you're getting into Nietzsche and Kierkegaard and things, you're above my level. The ones that really perplex you, because it's been a few, are the ones who have never been captured. Like Jack the Ripper. Yes. Yes. Was he pure evil? Did something happen to him? I mean, now they kind of know who it was from DNA. The Zodiac Killer. Nobody was ever prosecuted for that. Now you get an idea watching the movie that they had a suspect in mind.

could very well have been that person. But, you know, these ones, you're left guessing. Was this pure evil? Was this somebody who had, as Bill was saying, had something wrong with them? Or was it something that had triggered them in the past that caused them to act out this way? In those cases, you don't know. Son of Sam was caught. A lot of them were Ted Bundy, obviously, and Richard Speck.

And a lot of them were apprehended, so yeah, okay, well, we know the background of this person or that person, or, you know, here's what led them to do this or that. but it's the ones that were never captured that you're just kind of like, huh, you know, what was that really all about? That's why I enjoy the giallo and you guys covering it so much. You know, the fact that there is people researching and trying to figure out who's doing it and why they're doing it. バイバイ I'm really fascinated.

As cool as the kills are in the Jalo and all that stuff, it really is the mystery that drives them. That makes them as fascinating as they are.

But they do always say when they're doing the breakdowns with the FBI profilers and such, Excluding the random killers. The ones that aren't caught and it takes a while and there's a chase and they lead the police on for 2, 3, 5, 10 years. They're more than likely highly intelligent, right because they planned it out and there's a reason why They're one step ahead of the police, right? So that's why you know like To be a profiler is still a gap.

right because you don't know the inner motivations but it could be somebody who's mental level it could be somebody ex-military it could be somebody that uh professor like somebody that's got the planning ability and can actually fulfill what they plan to do yeah that's a whole nother level than Guys getting high looking for drug money. To be honest with you, something like Jack the Ripper, part of the reason he got away with it is because of forensics at the time.

The fact that he was going after prostitutes who were not the most reputable to begin with, and the cops are not... There were other things. If it had happened in more modern times... I think he might have been apprehended a little more quickly.

The Zodiac Killer went after, like, two couples, or went after, yeah, two couples. Then killed a cab, like in sort of the outskirts in California. Then killed a cab driver in San Francisco. Right. He changed it, like he changed He changed it up. You know, so he knew enough to change it up to throw everybody off. Saying, okay, this is just random stuff happening.

But to Bill's point too, you know, you think about Seven and that was very methodical, very planned out, very intelligent person. Yes. You know, who wanted their point to come across. Right. But then you run into killers like Albert DeSalvo. the Boston Strangler and and what did he do he sexually molested and raped elderly women Now, you know what his methodology is.

You know what his target audience is. Oh, by the way, there's three million elderly women in Boston. Good luck. Yeah, it makes it tough. Yeah, it makes it very difficult. So he doesn't have to be the smartest guy, but if he's smart in the way that he kills and goes about his audience...

You could go forever. Unless you're stupid. Or the other thing that catches them all the time is they brag at the bar. Or there's something they might want to be caught. You know, you get some of them that they say that sometimes, just like, okay, now they're making it so that they almost like they want us to catch them. I mean, you might be Richard Ramirez that likes the spotlight. I don't know. Every Friday night, I'm at the fucking bar. Oh, what that bartender can tell.

Oh, yeah. Well, that's different bartender every week, you know. Never the same bartender twice. No. There you go, so never know who to trust and who not to trust. That's kind of a look at killers, and this is more, we're looking more at reality, but in movies, you know, which are... You know, filmmakers do take, of course, their inspiration from real-life killers, clearly, and then they fantasize them some, so to make it more of an entertainment value.

um so what i want to look at now is switch gears and let's start getting into actual kill moments let's look at some of our favorite you know, actual murders in horror movies, right? We're not talking reality. We're not going to be talking real life serial killers. Let's look into movies because they're fun to watch. I think as horror fans, I think that's what draws us to horror movies is murder and mayhem because it's something that makes us

You know, we don't want it in real life, but if we can sit and watch it in entertainment value and see it from a cinema side, okay, it's okay to watch this. It's a movie, right? It's only a movie. Where if I was to see real blood in real life, I'm telling you, I pass out or I'm going to, you know, I'm going to be, you know, I cut my own arm. I'm like, I hate blood, but now, you know, I can watch.

you know some movies and be like i love gore i love blood i love you know let me have the red room and let me have the shining door open with blood flowing but if i saw it in real life i'd be puking and probably pass out right well i was gonna say it'll be like dead alive and you'd walk in with a raincoat Yeah, exactly. Yeah. So, you know, I think that gives us kind of an out. It gives us a way to kind of

release sometimes. So for me, I think what we'll do is pass around, we'll throw five moments out that we love in horror cinema. Maybe not our top five but five killer moments in a movie. that we feel that, you know, just kind of resonates with us. And you can be as elaborate or just say, hey, I like this, right?

We'll do that round robin style. We've got to go to the UC first because he's the OG of this. So let's go to the UC. Alright, I'm going to go with a 2016 movie. Okay.

called raw and i think about the death of adrian nice you know justine's laying there with him thinking that uh she can trust him and then he suddenly is dead very gruesome death too and so it makes you think about why he died and what was what was the impetus there what what what caused that to happen you know not necessarily a serial killer but just the drive to eat the flesh and not in a zombie way either which i find fascinating about that movie

Yes, that's my cat, by the way. I'm about to murder. I was going to say, is she all for it?

uh yes yes he is oh he is sorry he is yes it's it's either your cat or the person you have tied up in the next uh hey shut up dave if you hear any banging it's just my foot it's from under the floorboards that's where it's coming you know the reveal at the end of that movie too just you know is so shocking and i you know i know it's a 2016 movie it's it's been nine years i i don't know if it's worth you know

ruining it for people that haven't seen it but you know just when you see her father and you see what he's been through to to satisfy his daughter It's shocking, but I'll just never forget. There's been certain bedroom scenes where we see dead people, and that scene in Raw just gets me every time. Agree. That's such a damn good movie too, man. If you've not seen it, it's a cannibal film that just... I mean, the only reason people might not have seen it is it is a subtitled film, right? Sure.

No, it's never let subs ever get in the way of a good movie. Not when it comes to French extreme anyway. I would never watch a dubbed version of Otansion. That's right. Or dubbed like Insight. Or Martyrs or Frontiers or whatever. I almost watched the American version of Martyrs before I watched the... the original version. I refuse. I absolutely refuse. I'm glad I did not. I've seen it, so I took one for the team.

I actually own it, believe it or not. It's nowhere near the heart of it. There's a couple good kills in it, don't get me wrong, but they're just cheap knockoffs of the original, so it's pointless to have that movie. when you got such a masterpiece in the original it's like why do it like there's no yeah anyway

It's Americans trying to do something the French know how to do. They know how to do it. Let them do it. You just back off. All right, well, cool. There is our first one. It is the scene from... raw adrian from 2016 let's go to dr shock dave what you got for your first one all right well my first one is a little thing i like to call

Captain Rhodes goes to pieces. This was one of the final scenes in George Romero's Day of the Dead. Which is very interesting because it's, you know, Joe Pilato plays Captain Rhodes. He's basically the heavy in this movie. He's basically like the bad guy. And what's interesting is that you have Bub, played by Sherman Howard, a zombie who you identify with more than you identify with some of the human characters in this, especially Captain Rogue.

um now captain rhodes gets his comeuppance and then it's really just uh tom savini just great work by him like i said he's basically torn to pieces and it is like graphic and it's right in your face and it's an amazing amazing kill scene I think But this is like, this is George Romero sort of evolving his universe of the living dead by giving us By showing us, yes, these zombies were once human. And here's Bob. You know, what was he? What Stephen King book was he reading again?

Was it the stand? It was something. He was reading a Stephen King book, I think, as he was sitting there. But anyway, that's the one. Whenever I think of great kill scenes, that's sort of the one I... go to and then I like all three all three of the original of the original three are in my top 250 movies of all time. I love all three of them. And a 251 is Diary of the Dead? No. No, if I were to extend it to 5,001, I don't know that Diary of the Dead would make that list.

But, yeah, so I put this one at least on an even keel. with Night of the Living Dead and Dawn of the Dead because like I said, it's that evolution of the story. saying, okay, yeah, not all the human characters are heroic, and not all of the zombies are just monsters, you know? And we're going to show you, and he sort of shows you that here.

by putting them all together. I mean there are times in this where you actually feel bad for the zombies. Look it up, it was The Dead Zone he was reading. The Dead Zone, okay. Thank you. Yeah, I know he was reading some Stephen King book.

um and that that's kind of funny actually um but anyway so that's my that's the the first one i would like to i'm not gonna say it's my number five because like i'm not ranking these these are just sort of random ones but that's the first one exactly so yeah And also, we are giving out

spoilers okay listeners so there's no way not to spoil yeah I mean it's kind of hard to give out kill scenes without spoiling exactly so letting you know I was going to say I don't think we're going to be going through too many of obscure films now. They're not big into 1972, Jess Franco, film number eight of the year or something. How do you know? So just letting you know,

You've been forewarned that there may be some spoilers. So let's go to you, Pearl. What is your first up on the kill sequence here? What is one of your favorite kill moments?

you know what i'm gonna go with 2009 movie and it had to do with A guy who was a thief who was going into this home and he just happened to pick the wrong day to go in it because In there is someone who also likes to be a collector. collects human bodies and facts and he was already there setting up before him and it is the collector What am I? There you go. Go ahead. Boy, was he setting up. Holy cow, was he setting up. Oh, yeah, definitely was. Dude. Pearl, I love that freaking movie. I love

The first two. And I think there's a third one. There's a third one coming. I can't wait either because I'm going to be honest. The first one. Out of nowhere. I'm watching it and I'm like. At the end of the movie, I'm like, damn, that was actually really entertaining, right? And then we get the second one, not as good as the first one, still entertaining as hell, though.

uh so if you've not seen the collector or the collections man i'm telling you dude oh you know my favorite kill in it is when the girl victoria gets stabbed multiple times falls down the stairs her tongue gets cut out Her mouth is sold, and then she chokes on her own blood. Yeah. Yeah, it's like ZAALL Without. the jigsaw so there's a lot of those traps out. It's like Saw without the moral lesson. It's a combination of Saw and Cube. You walked into that house, you're fucked. I'm just saying.

You better just crawl on the ground because you're going to get hit by a man. Like Pearl said, you picked the wrong house, buddy. You just literally walked into the old shit storm. You're fucked. Cool. All right. We'll go pick Pearl. I like that one. The Collector from 2009. All right. Let's head to Bill. Bill, what is your first one up here?

Yeah, okay, so... To put back the veil, I was sitting on the couch last night. I hadn't done a damn thing and I was texting with Pearl and I said, I'm not doing any research. These are all coming off the top of my head because if they get through the top of my head, that means they meant something to me. So one of the ones I always remember is one of Greg's favorite singers.

and then not Gene Simmons. It's Saw 3D, and it involves Mr. Chester Bennington. Oh, Chester. When they get a group of racist, And obviously Mr. Saw Man says, no, no, no, you're going to have to repent for your sins or I'll die. And they have the girlfriend is on the ground being held down underneath a moving vehicle. Well, the wheels are moving. The vehicle isn't. One of his buddies has got a hook through the lip.

uh attached by a chain in behind and his other buddies in front of him in the garage being held i don't know if it's by chains or whatever And he's got 30 seconds. Oh, by the way, good old Chester is stuck to the vinyl of the car on the inside for him to survive and all his friends to survive. In 30 seconds he has to move forward and basically separate his body from his skin to reach a knob to save the day. and

He doesn't. But the special effects and practical makeup with his back pulling off and the girlfriend's head getting crushed. And then he gets ejected. I love that kill. Of a franchise that has so many good kills. This is the one that sticks out to me the most. That's a good one. I really... And the fact that it's Chester Bennington from Lincoln Park.

Rest in peace, my friend. It was such a great scene because I was such a big fan of Linkin Park at the time and, of course, of Chester, and that they gave him such a memorable moment. Like, they gave him, like, such a nasty... nasty death like if you were gonna if you were gonna be in a movie and let's be honest for me uh james dean anybody that wanted to put me in a movie right there's one of two things i either want to be the main killer

Or I want to be murdered, and I want the murder to be memorable, right? So it's like I don't want to be the third person that died falling off a cliff, or I'm the guy that was in the trash can. No, I want to be the guy. that literally had the Chester murder, right? Like, he was brutalized more than... Anybody in that movie and it was insane. So for me, it's like give me that if I'm in a movie so he was

He was very fortunate to get that role and be able to go through all that crap. It's so much more haunting to watch now with the way he died in real life. The Saw movies, to me, I re-watched them recently last year. They just have such a heft to them. And when you start rooting for Jigsaw, of course, the last few movies, it's such a moral dilemma. But you understand where he's coming from and why he's doing it.

Sometimes people have to pay. And we mentioned it a few times already, so good job. But yet he is giving them a chance to survive. It's not like their death is a foregone conclusion. They have a chance to survive. They just have to do something that nobody in their right mind would think they could ever do unless they were facing that situation. He has his own moral justice. And in his mind, if you can withstand and do what you gotta do to survive, you've repented.

I don't know that there's many repenters that made it. That's right. See, I'd like to see Art get caught by Jigsaw and see what happens. That would be interesting. I'm liking it. I'm liking it. Well, it's no good if Art the Clown has to do anything verbal. True. True. Well, that would be a hell of a challenge, wouldn't it? Yeah. He's got to hit the high note of a soprano or something. He's got a horn. He can blow it.

All right, great choice, Bill. All right, so my first one I'm going to pick, and of course it's from my second favorite director of all time, and that is Mr. Dario Argento. And I can literally pick every... movie that Dario Argento put out. And I could probably name three scenes out of each of his movies and put them in this category. But this one right here is going to come from the also masterful masterpiece film that Bill can suck eggs. Suspiria 1977, which is...

I actually thought of this one, but fuck, I'm going to write it down. I'm going to give this scene out, and let's do a little background on it. So we're on Suspiria 1977. And the individual's name is Pat Hingles in the movie, okay? So Pat Hingles, spoiler if you've not seen the movie, she's played by Ava, what is her last name? Ava Ackerman.

Eva Axson is the character, or her actual physical name, and she plays Pat Hingle in this movie. So to set it up, there's this kill sequence where this girl is looking through a window at the dance place or whatever, and she's She sees these two eyes pop up out of nowhere. Just random eyeballs, right?

And then all of a sudden, hands come through the glass, draw her to the window, and he's pushing up against the window. And you're like, what the hell is going on? And then she begins to be stabbed multiple times. And I'm talking vicious.

stab wounds that dario's cinematographer nailed the camera angles the the makeup effect artist crushed it it's like these it just doesn't show it's like slow motion almost you see these knives going through the body uh slowly and it's just so freaking awesome but this woman gets stabbed so many freaking times and eventually gets hung from a glass rooftop falling and being hung and is such a gruesome

horrific death in this movie and it's so beautifully shot that it's it's my it's on my list man i absolutely love it there's a heart puncture scene in this that's insane like you see the heart You see the blade hit it, the blade come out, and then you see a little poof, and you see blood squirting. That's how much detail Argento put into this film, man, and that's

Just one of the million reasons why I love this fucking movie so much. And why I think it is an absolute masterpiece. But it's Suspiria 1977. Specifically Pat Hengel's death. If you've not seen it. look it up on YouTube and just watch just that death sequence. and just go, wow, it's so gruesome. Absolutely love it. So that is my number five. I don't know what y'all think. Y'all got anything else on that one, guys?

I like that one. That's a good one. I mean, that starts that movie off in pretty amazing fashion. It does. It's like, what am I watching? Like, holy crap, I'm all ready. I mean, the fact that I can't stand the movie, it actually came to me in the first half hour. It's pretty memorable. I mean it's almost one of those things where you wish it was a 3D film, when you could see that. It almost killed it. Thank you. Thank you, UC. You know great cinema. That's why Bill will be killed first.

I'm not the jock. I'm not the horny guy. I'm not the good looking guy. I'm just the dumb guy who's going to survive. Wait a minute. I thought you were messing with some Sears catalog earlier. Yeah. Yeah, Bill. I think that was one of the rules Jamie Kennedy laid out. That's right. The first scream. Don't get horny.

Well, it has something to do with having sex. It didn't say that, you know, it had to be a consensual couple. Yeah. No, it's just that you just need one person and I guess maybe a serious catalog. I was going to say the solo... One of my favorite lines in the movie was Woody Allen and Annie Hall, don't knock masturbation, it's sex with someone I love. Isn't it weird to think about?

How we were obsessed with Sears and JCPenney catalogs when we were kids. Oh, yeah, that's absolutely so far gone. Absolutely. You know, it's funny where I live, it wasn't used for whacking off was used for putting on your legs to be goaltender. That's what we use them for. I've seen them used for that. I just remember my mother, we'd get the Sears catalog around Christmas. She'd start circling the gifts you want. and she's like you want that bra i said no i want the woman

Can you get her wrapped in a bow for me? Right. Well, it would have been something if she started saying, oh, you're about a 36C. That's right. That's right. Let's go to a couple of voicemails here, and then we'll come back to our number four.

First one up would be Patrick Gunner, and he wrote in his, so let's look, his number one is the Halloween 1978. Bob and Linda get it. Another one of mine. Damn it. Oh, that's on my list, too. Don't worry. You know Bob. You know Bob's on my list. That was such a great, memorable death. uh oh god no anyways all right so it's number two get ready dead alive lawnmower kills one of the best most insane scenes ever put in the film i think that's probably on everybody's list oh yeah it's gotta be

Not on mine. Oh, well, not Pearl's. Sorry. Number three, final destination to the logging truck scene. It always makes it harder to get behind a big rig with logs on it in the highway. 100%. 100%. Number four. This is vague. Any kill and hatchet because they're all over the top. Yes.

I actually have on my list the one where they split open the mouth yes well that's the one i had too yeah with the tongue is in a wagon oh that is such an art richard real is just standing there going right yeah and his last one is the hitcher from 1996 When Jennifer Jason Leigh gets pulled apart by Semi. Do you see it? I don't know if you see it, but you think you do. No, the mind's eye is so strong. Yeah, yeah.

and it scared the crap out of me because of the character you really like it's when you assume is going to make it Yeah, but now in the remake where they had Sophia Bush, they actually showed that scene again, and they do the rip apart.

okay so they went a little bit more extreme with but you're right in the 86 when it's it's a modernized version of the oft-repeated uh kill in some of the older films where they tie and quarter people to horses yeah exactly and they just split into four right all right so he said those are just some that i can think of off the top of my head i know this is an unconventional list but if i put everyone

uh every one of them on here the email will be three hours long thanks for the entertainment as always heart eyes is a great movie probably my number one so far until i see sinners Thanks for putting what's coming up earlier in the episode. I appreciate it a lot. So there you go. Thank you, Patrick. And you are welcome, buddy. And we'll continue doing that in the future, too. So let's go to Tim Mitchell. Let's go to 0010.

Oh, it's too many. Let's see here. He says, this is what he says. All I'm saying is, if these guys find out where I live, they're going to kill me. And he's got a picture of Bay City Roller. and it's hilarious if you've not seen it the face city rollers it's literally and i'll show pearl i i i don't know who these

Anybody know who the Bay City Rollers are? I don't know. Oh, yeah. I remember the Bay City Rollers. Saturday night. That was a nightmare. Yes. Did they do Saturday night or was that KC in the sunshine? No, I think that might have been them doing Saturday night. Yeah. Every VanViegel wedding, my dad gets in the middle and they all know the request Saturday, and my dad starts stomping his feet. Oh, wow. That's crazy. The base city roller.

Yeah, well, he said if they find out where he lives, they're going to kill me. So let's go to his voice. This is Double O Tim out in Bloomington, Indiana. And had you asked me three years ago about my favorite killer, I would have said hands down Michael Myers and then given this big explanation. But when I got COVID three years ago,

I binged the whole Final Destination franchise. I mean, there was nothing I could do. I was just laid out in bed. And that's when death became my most favorite killer because if death really has a plan and people can't foil it, then death is the one giving the visions in the first place. This is what Death does when he just wants to have some fun. It's just freaking awesome. If you watch those movies with that in mind, they almost become completely different movies.

And I think, honestly, probably my favorite kill is going to be those two chicks, I think, from the second one that just get burned alive in those tanning beds. That's just so gruesome. Any guys. Before I go, I just wanted to share a dumb story as I am given to just making up songs at random. It's just a thing I do.

So my wife comes downstairs, and she can smell that I'm baking a Meat Lovers pizza, and she can see a couple Blu-rays on the counter with a bottle of whiskey next to it, and she's like, oh, are we watching something? And I turn to her with that grin, and she's like, don't you start singing. Of course I did. I said, my wife wants to watch a movie. So I said. A slasher tonight, slasher tonight. Cause I, I, I wanna see that knife. I, I, I, in that camper's life.

Cause it's good fun with a ton of blood because they can't outrun a slasher tonight. Slash it tonight. S-L-A-S-H-E-R-2. Night. S-L-A-S-H-E-R-2. Night. S-L-A-S-H-E-R-2-9. I guess it was Bay City Railroad. Yes, it was. And, Bill, there's a new version for you to play at the next wedding. Oh. Oh, good point. Good point. Hey, spot on, my friend. Spot on. I'm glad you sung to Kat, because Kat probably loved that. You know what? Not only is this the first time we're recording LOTC on Zoom,

It might be the very first LOTC where the Bay City Rollers have ever been mentioned. I can guarantee you it's the first time. I'm looking forward to Bloodline. Bloodline looks like it might be good. Yes. Yeah, it might be.

All right, next voicemail, and then we'll get back to our list. And this one is from Mike Stanislavski. And this one was actually... How do you spell that? I need to make sure I get all these kills right. I'm not going to tell you, because he'll come get me. This is actually his 1993 list, and he sent it in last week while we were recording. I meant to play it, and I didn't. I totally dropped the ball, totally forgot at the end of the night.

And I apologize. He's like, it's fine. I wanted to hear Bill and Dave's take on my list anyway. So we're going to play that now. So this has nothing to do with Killers as far as this episode. This is his top five of 1993, but we're going to go ahead and play it and then we'll respond to it. Let's go. Hello Creepers, this is Mike Stanislowski calling in with my top 5 horror movies of 1993. And my number five choice is Leprechaun.

which is not my favorite of the series, but I do really love this franchise, so I've got to have Leprechaun in my top five. My number... For choice is Skinner. Not a perfect movie, but it does have some really good intense gore effects. and Ted Ramey's character is truly disturbing. Plus, it's got Ricky Lake and Tracy Lords, even though it is not Tracy Lord's best performance in this movie. That's my number four. My number three choice is Dario Argento's Trauma.

I rewatched this fairly recently and liked it a lot better than I did when I first saw this in the 90s, I believe. And I think that there is now an unrated version available that has more of what we want from a Dario Argento film in it. And I really like the score for this one. My number two choice is Necronomicon. in my opinion, a highly underrated anthology movie. H.P. Lovecraft Stories has got Jeffrey Combs. It is, I think, a little bit hard to...

Fine, but it's well worth thinking out. And then my number one. choice would be John Carpenter's body bags. The stories are good, but what really makes it for me is John Carpenter as the Mortician, horror host. I really wish that this had been turned into the series that it was originally tended to. John Carpenter is just great in that role. Maybe second to the Crypt Keeper in terms of...

the ranking of horror hosts. So that is my top five. Thank you, Greg, Bill, Dave, and Pearl for keeping this show going. And as always, Thanks for keeping horror alive. damn what a list fellas that's a good that's a good listen that's part of the reason i love body bags too is that one of the main reasons actually is though Or those wraparound segments with John Carpenter. And yeah, it would have been great if they turned it into a series and we got a whole bunch of those.

that's why i'm hoping the mortuary collection does more because clancy brown you know was so good in that Yes. And I feel like he kind of did a did a john carpenter uh vibe to that yeah mike put out a good list and what i like about mike's list whenever he calls it he's always researched he's thorough he knows what you know what he likes and what he doesn't i will never criticize anybody on a 1990s list

Because whatever you like is what you like and whatever you can find and sit through. How many movies can you sit through for 95 minutes? Whatever. Right. That's right. I mentioned Skinner though, so there you go. Oh, that's right. Skinner's an interesting film.

So let's see here. So let's get into our list again. And we're back to the UC himself. So UC, what you got for your fourth choice? Okay, since a couple of them were taken already, I pulled up one. Let me get to it. A movie I'm not too much a fan of. I know when I mentioned that you guys did like this movie, I disagree. But 2022, staying modern. But it is a fantastic kill in the Texas Chainsaw Massacre on Netflix. A wonderful break the forearms, stab with the forearm.

Oh, yes, absolutely. Chef's kiss, fantastic. All right, go ahead. Dave, we love that. Yeah, Dave and I remember us talking about that one, Dave, over on J's. And we were like, holy crap, dude, I'd never... And we've watched a lot of horror movies. We had never seen anything like that. That was original. That was really cool. I did like that movie quite a bit. I did not like what they did with Sally. I thought they were building her up to be like, you know,

They were trying to build up like Jamie Lee Curtis in the new Halloween to be this sort of, you know, badass who's going up again and completely ineffective the minute they're face to face. See, I hated the bus scene. I mean, I'm 51. I don't... Judge Millennials and Gen Zers. I think somebody on that bus would have reacted differently. but then again you watch all these videos where people just keep on reporting when people get hurt recording when people get hurt

Right. Maybe that's what would have happened. I need to do a second viewing. I don't know that the best line at that time was, you're going to get cancelled. right i don't know if he walked on the bus he wouldn't have struck me as someone who would have cared about something like that or would even know what that meant or what the hell they were talking about right but

No, that's a good one. That is a really good one. I did not think of that one, to be honest with you, but that is a damn good one. It stokes the flame for the beginning of the movie. It's great. Yes. It's like if you have seen it, you know. If you haven't seen it, You need to know. That beautiful field with the flowers. It's a gorgeous scene. Yes, absolutely. Awesome, man. Great choice there. Chainsaw Master 2022.

The use of a broken fever, or not a fever, it was a wrist bone or whatever it was, as a death utensil. I love it. Alright, let's head to you, Doc. What you got for your force?

All right, my next one, which would be, I guess if we're counting backwards, it would be fourth, is this is one that... changed the tone of the movie immediately and brought in the horror in a big way it was there before but not quite to the level it was from this point after And I'm talking about the body split from Bone Tomahawk. Oh, damn you again! That's all mine too. I thought you were going to say Terrifier.

I'm sure some of those are going to come up too. But when that happens in that movie... Um, you know, I think it was Richard Jenkins' character. He's saying, we're in hell. You know, we're in hell. You believe them. that that is exactly where they are with with this particular tribe of Native Americans the ones that every other Native American tribe says stay away from there you know that they know better than to go anywhere near this this group Um...

At that moment, this becomes just a terrifying, terrifying movie. Yeah, it went from a western to a horror movie. And it was a good western. It was a good western. And it had horror elements. I mean, you had that opening scene with Sid Haig. Where they're setting something up and you heard the sort of noises.

Um, and then it became a good Western. They're trying to find someone. It's like a, it's almost like, you know, like the searchers where they're looking for somebody. They're trying to track somebody down and it's, it's working as a Western. And then that scene in that cave, you're just like, holy God. The acting and the accurate time period dialogue, and everything about that movie, and it builds, and it's a slow burn, like all of his movies are a slow burn.

But yeah, that just shocked me. I was not expecting that. I was not expecting to see all of it Right. And it just brought a new meaning to me of like the Oregon Trail. Yeah, exactly. What could have possibly happened? And you're right, the dialogue in that movie is amazing. The speech that the wife gives. about the problem with the West isn't the this and the that, it's the idiocy. And my husband's right there, he was an idiot because I told him not to go on the roof.

And you are idiots for bringing him out. She's just laying it out for her. Kurt Russell and Richard Jenkins were there sort of to rescue her. she's just laying it out it's it's you you guys are a pack of morons and that was that was a great scene and it has what i think is one of um the great final lines for the spoilers it's like

Say goodbye to my wife and I'll say hello to yours. Yeah. Oh, God. But it's one of those films where it's going along a certain way and then all of a sudden takes a hard right. Yes. And you're like, I remember watching that movie, what was it, Summer of 84? Oh, yeah. And all of a sudden, it's kind of becoming like a burb. Somebody's missing. And then all of a sudden, you find about something in a basement.

yeah right okay this takes a hard right yeah went from the searchers to the hills have eyes like exactly immediately yeah and then and just wow so yeah that that's that's my uh that's my fourth i guess Great choice. Love it. Let's go to the twisted Temptress. Let's see what's in her twisted mind. What you got for number four?

Got my eye on you. No, I'm just kidding. I got my eye on you. My movie is 1999, and it's about a policewoman who is in a hot pursuit of a serial murderer whose calling card is that he leaves a small shard of a bone from each victim that he gets. Along with a cryptic clue. She pairs up with a criminal expert. And between the two of them they try to find out who is the next victim as this serial killer is going through a book.

and it is the bone collector cool what particular death sequences or what's what's something in there that really stands out Out of all the deaths that they were following, the one that stayed with me was the guy that they tied up in the underground. And he is right in front of a... a hole and it's supposed to be the hot air blows in front of him And when the time comes and it does, does he get really melted?

No time, he barely even had time to scream or anything, and that was one that stuck with me. Yeah, that's a good movie. Have y'all seen Bone Collector? Yep, I have not. No, I haven't either. I'll be honest, I have not seen that one. It's been a while since. That's Denzel Washington, right? Yes. No, I have not.

I know it is because I have the DVD and I can see the cover of the DVD in my head, but I have not seen it. It's a good movie. It would make you think kind of the Zodiac in ways. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, definitely give it a watch, Dave. I think you'd like to have a good Sunday watch just when you've got some downtime. Oh, nonetheless. Yep, there you go. All right, cool. Pearl, thank you for that. You're welcome. I'll do a double feature of the Bone Collector and John Q. Perfect. There you go.

Or, yeah, God are so many Denzel's. Ricochet, ricochet. Ricochet, that's one I gotta, you know what? That would be a good one. I just got the Blu-ray for that one. That would be a great double feature. That was fucking amazing in that movie. Yeah, nice. That one movie with John Goodman and him. Fallen. Fallen. Have you seen Fallen, Dave? No, I haven't seen that one. Brother, you've not seen Fallen? That's good, Dave. Time is on my side. Yes it is.

Denzel is one of those actors who's, every time I see him, I think he's amazing. But there's a lot of his films I have yet to catch up with for some reason. you know and i like i i want to i definitely want to uh just like Training Day. He was amazing in Training Day. Glory. He deserved the Oscar for Glory. He's just one of those actors who's so good. Every time he's fenced My God, an amazing performance. Well, you got your triple feature now.

What's that you got your triple feature now? Yeah, there you go. I do and I'm pretty sure I have them all I think I have all of his movies I love it. Awesome. Well, get on it, Dave. All right. All right, Bill, what you got for four? One of the types of kills I enjoy is a good one that's off screen, but you hear it happening. Yes.

Because then your mind has to go there. And I have multiple types of those on my list. And I'm going to mention at least two. And another one I'll list an honorable mention. The first one I thought of. was, I don't know, was it 77, 78, the Canadian film Ritual. Okay. Where at the end

The one actor... For those of you who haven't seen Rituals, it's basically... It's like a Canadian deliverance in a way. A version of deliverance where guys go fishing and a lot of things happen and people die along the way. But at the end... One of the guys is captured and is held above a fire. He's basically being burned alive on the stake. And the other actor is in the cabin. but can't get at him due to circumstances he's dealing with. And you literally hear the guy burning to death.

and you hear like my god there's a certain point where he's like my god they're actually gonna kill me because he's burnt and he can't stop and then all of a sudden the talking stops and you're like You don't see a thing.

scarier than 80% of the kills you're ever gonna see right because your brain goes and you empathize you put yourself in that situation what you do if that's your best friend burning to death outside but you can't help him because the guy's screaming come and get him come on get him for me it is scary as anything so if you haven't seen ritual You know, follow along, follow along, follow along, but the final five minutes, holy cow. Nice. That is a good one, Hal Holbrook. It's like you really...

Every time I see Hal Holbrook, he's one of those guys, I always think of designing women. I see Hal Holbrook. When I was younger, that's sort of what I was associating him with. You don't think of the fog? I think of Mark Fletcher. Definitely The Fog and Creepshow and Mark Twain, you're right. I forgot about Mark Twain.

And he's done that he did a I think hosted like our narrated our town at one point He's like one of those actors who's done a lot of different things But he was really good in this one as well I've not seen it, sir. If you have a 50 movie set, Greg, any of those Mill Creek 50 movie sets, it's on one of those. I think it's on the drive-in one. Okay, I've got one, so I'm sure I have it. I don't know if it's called Rituals on that.

but i know it's on that set because i'm pretty sure that's where i saw it and quite frankly it's you can always find it on youtube yeah i'm sure i'm sure it's out there

Alright, so number four for moi, I'm going to go with Dario Argento's Opera, 1987. I could mention a million. uh one that i'm gonna mention is the death of stefano and we got betty who is the lead actress in the movie, so she's basically Christina Marsalek, but she's got these needle things put under her eyelids to keep her eyes open. Yes. And... She's forced to watch the death of Stefano, which they come in and it's this brutal butcher knife to the throat.

uh you see it come through the mouth which is vicious and then it began you know and then it's like hand hand stabs and it's all kinds of shit dude it's things bonkers dude it's Dario Argento once again doing what he does. That whole idea of the needles on the eyes. Jesus, God. That was my first and still my favorite Argento movie.

a fantastic pick. I love horror movies that are set in you know spaces where you know there's limited spaces to get around and especially in theaters because they're dark there's lots of curtains there's places to hide people can pop up from behind So, yeah, I really like them. Such a good movie. If you've not seen it, definitely check it out.

one of my favorites for sure that's the one where the the uh the blind person has the handler is is that opera and uh she's making out with somebody while the person she's watching is getting killed i don't recall that being in there okay there's some scene in one of our gentles ones where yeah i'll have to look at

All right, well, there you go. That is our fours. I think we'll go ahead and go into our threes, and then we'll go to some more voicemails. So let's go ahead and get into our threes. Let's go to the UC UC, and what you got UC there for your number three?

All right, my number three, I'm just going to say it now because I don't think I'll be able to say it later. It probably would have been my number one, but the shower scene in Psycho with the Bosco syrup. uh the 77 what 77 cuts in that uh yes um so just a little side story down here in florida uh universal studios used to have a wonderful

Alfred Hitchcock exhibit. And you would watch the birds. You watched the 3D section of the birds. You know, not the whole movie. And then you would go into another room and the entire set of Psycho was sitting there in front of you. And they would actually pretend to film the shower scene with Norman.

My dad got chosen to play and that kind of blew me away when I was a kid And so when I watched the movie, you know, I had that in the back of my mind, but just What that must have done to audiences in 1960. and how they felt about that what that must have done to the initial audiences before anybody could get word out you know that's iconic it's like yeah yeah definitely perfect cool well awesome all right doc all right well this next one it's not a traditional killer the killer in this case

is tradition. And I'm talking about the Adastupa ceremony from Midsommar. What a fucked up movie. Did you ever see the three-hour director's cut? Yes. I liked the original. I think the three-hour director's cut is much better because it gives you so much more about the characters and really defines everything that happened. But that particular ceremony with what transpires and the way that the visitors react, which is a natural reaction, any of us would have reacted.

to seeing that but it's the second one and then you get to see what happens with the society as the person is screaming in pain they're screaming along with him until they finally go up and and finish finish this person off really like the movie and you know it's setting you up for something you don't know it's setting you up for that and that this is what you're in for

And this is what the characters are in for. Not that you know that this is going to happen to them, but this is where they are. This is now the people that they are associating with and they're part of the, like, and sort of, um... visitors to this community. Do you buy that they were predestined to be there that he is the one that actually killed her parents? I don't buy that. No, no, I don't buy that. I think it was definitely that he saw that she needed that.

And I think he's the one who sort of helped set it up that she could get there. Because he was the only one who was excited she was going. Not even the boyfriend was excited she was going. He was the only one who was happy she was going because I think The whole idea is I think they were looking to bring people into this community. Yeah. And she would have been the best candidate due to what happened to her. Yeah. So that's what I think happened.

But that scene, I'm telling you, it is brutal as hell. It is just absolutely brutal. Great scene. I love it.

So that's some bangers now. It's back to the Twisted Temptress herself. Pearl, we're already back around to number three. What you got, love? My number three is a 1998 movie. And it's about a... I want to say he's sadistic. A little insane. Obviously he's insane. But he likes to engage on the internet and lure young girls. He likes body torture. Odd tattoos. and His name is Captain Howdy. It is Strangeland.

Oh my god, yes! Yep, and my favorite kill from this is actually not all the body torture or the stitching or stabbing, but it is his particular kill. Because he is hooked Only on his back! He's being pushed, he's being burned to death, and he's still... laughing and saying things until a big chunk of his back falls off and he's still burning to the ground and you hear it and you hear the crackle of his skin I love that part.

I think one of the things that's so good about that pearl, I come home the other day at lunch and she's watching it. Or was it after work? After work. After work, I come home and she's watching. I'm like, well, damn, that's awesome. Of course, I had to watch it. If it's plain, I'm watching. Oh, yeah, absolutely. And that scene, I think what you said was perfect, Pearl, was where you were talking about hearing him still laugh.

Yeah, because he just kept going all the way to the end. Right, and then you hear the screams, but God, dude's burning to death, but he's still that sadistic. What a freaking great movie and some good kills and that. Ugh, I think I'll be damned. I think for me it's more of the... Of course, the ISOs and the mouse shows, you know what I mean? But wasn't there one, like they had the catheters up, right, where they would pee into the tube, right? Yeah.

So I think it was like those sequences where he was taking those people and like the one girl got scared to death so much. She's just pissing like right. Dude, it's horrible watching somebody die right in front of you. Of course you're going to piss, right? Yeah. You know what's funny about that movie? I remember I lived in Chicago at the time, and Roger Ebert absolutely hated that movie.

Which, you know, of course, makes you do something. No surprise there. I love Roger Ebert. You know what's good to do? I love Seesaw, because he loved The Cell. And there's a scene in that where Vincent D'Onofrio is hanging his back off of all these hooks. And, you know, so you've got to take them with a grain of salt. I miss them a lot. And they always said, they always defended their stances on slashers by saying they liked Halloween.

They liked Halloween to the point that both Cisco and Ebert had it in their top ten of the year. Yeah. So they really were fans of Halloween. But that only takes you so far. I mean, you know, it's almost like they would say that every time they reviewed a slasher or something. You feel like they didn't. But you felt like they were saying, hey, look, we like this one, but the rest of them are all crap. Yeah, it had to be high art for them. But Strangeland is great.

Yeah. I feel like Roger Ebert should have been hung by some hooks. Like I said, I'm a fan of the two of them. I grew up watching them. They helped me love movies, too. I got to give them credit for that. but it's just, you know, different tastes. And they were looking like... But their horror movies that they grew up with were like the 1950s sci-fi, like the giant ants and the tarantulas and things like that. were their horror movies.

It's funny because I remember hearing Jay one time defend Roger Ebert by giving a quote that he had reviewed for Texas Chainsaw Massacre where he did say something positive about it. What Jay forgot to tell you was he gave it two and a half out of four stars. A movie that I consider the greatest horror movie ever made. He gave two and a half out of four stars. It was not like it was a glowing review.

I don't want to make it too long, but there's a wonderful book about how those two got to where they got and just the underhandedness of both of them. It was fascinating. I don't have it in front of me. I'll try and look it up before we end the show. But it's a really fascinating story about those two. And they really did not like each other. Toward the end, I think there was a mutual respect. And I think that Ebert finally realized that after Gene Siskel passed.

yes um is when he realized wow i really did sort of like this guy we had about he was like a brother you know and then you fight with your brother But, you know, but oh man, that video that's out there of them recording that promo. Yes. It's hilarious, you know, where they're just going at each other like, oh my god, this is brutal. It's like tough to watch. Good choice, Pearl. Good choice.

I would have rather seen Dee Snider in a room with Gene Siskel and see what he did. Could you see him putting his little, what do you have, like little plastic gloves or whatever, probably a type. I could see him on the chat room going there, Siskel, come over to the house. We'll have a party. Oh, God, I love Strangeland so much. Love that choice. Bill, what you got next?

I'm trying to decide which one. I'm going to go with one that whenever I think of deaths that stick with me, this one probably sticks with me the most. I've told this story before. And this is a movie where I could have pulled four or five kills from And it's I spit on your grave. And it's the bathtub scene. The OG one. The OG. This is a scene that makes every man wince. That's the one where you wish it was more of an instant death.

Sorry if it's happening to you is it just that mean art because part of it is the thought of that Happening the second part of it is what I referred to before where you don't always really see it and the hearing of it is this right that's the part where the guy's just sort of reacting hey what did you do like it doesn't even realize it at first um and Now! Totally justified. Yeah, absolutely. I absolutely justify that it's not like I feel bad for this guy.

I just cringe for this guy. I cringe for what happens. To set it up for people that haven't seen I Spin On Your Grave, the main actress is an author. She's writing on this idealistic setting because she wants to create a work of literature. And essentially a bunch of thugs from town come in and rape. and she gets revenge on each one that was involved in the incident.

And one of them, the main gang leader, she turns on her female skills and lures him up to the bathtub to have a romantic escapade, shall we say.

well underneath the bubbles while she's using her hands with his meat let's just say she puts her other hand underneath a rug with a knife and she slips it underneath the bubbles and one quick slice it was so quick that he didn't even notice it was one of those the blade is so sharp and it's like uh when i was a kid i sliced my finger cutting uh tomatoes and i didn't feel it till i saw the blood it wouldn't have been in those situations

except his manhood was taken and he's sitting there and you see the blood squirt through the water she gets her naked body up towels off closes the door and locks it And the screams of him, I can't stop the bleeding. While she's on the bottom level listening to opera on the record player and sitting there so calmly. It is terrifying.

It is literally terrifying. Not one kill has done more harm to me than any kill I've ever seen. And it's one, because I'm a man, but two, it's... just hearing the death screams very much like ritual If it seems like it could be real, that's what scares me. Seeing somebody getting blown apart in 50 pieces looks cool, but yeah, whatever, that's special effects. But something that you could actually have happen to you... or possibly conceivably know that it really could happen.

My god, that scares the bejeebers out of me. And what's sad is in the remake, the remake's good, but, you know, the bathtub scene's completely different, and the penis-cutting scene is bolt-cutters, which is kind of just like, eh, really? You know, but yeah, that is a terrifying scene in the original. Oh, yeah. Because it's so matter-of-fact.

yeah yeah that's the thing about it there's no dramatic music building up to it or anything like that it's just in a slice and that's that yeah that's sure I mean, I mean, can you imagine bleeding out from your groin like, oh, we're I've watched it happen. No questions. I'm not going. Yeah. Writing down names.

Oh, my God. Good choice, Bill. So let's go to my third. Man, I can choose so many, and I swear I'm still on my Argento kick. I'm still in opera. I can't get out of opera, man. I'm going to stick with another kill in Opera that just really stands out, and it's the character of Mira, and that's Daria Nicolaita. And my tongue's tired tonight.

Anyways, the kill scene of Mira, and if you've never seen the movie, sorry, watch the movie and then listen to me. If you've seen the movie, you will remember this scene. There's a scene where there's somebody at the door, and Mira is looking through a peephole. And she's trying to see what's going on on the other side. And there's a scene where he shines a flashlight and kind of shines at her. And then he holds up like a driver's license or a badge or whatever. And then she holds a gun up.

And this scene that's fixing to happen, I don't know how they pulled it off. but it is one of the most realistic eye shot scenes I've ever seen in my life. And it breaks something on the table. It does. They literally, to finish out this thought, and I'll show Pearl, I can pull it up on YouTube and let Pearl watch it right here. What ends up happening here is when she sees the gun, he holds it taunting her like, this gun? You want this gun? And he keeps holding it and she's kind of showing it.

and you know back and forth and then all of a sudden he sticks the barrel in the peephole and you see the bullet come out of the chamber in slow motion go through the peephole It hits her in full force. I don't know how they pull this off as a squib. But you see her hair fall back. You see blood come out of the back of her head. And like Dave said. Behind her about 30-40 feet, you see something shatter where a bullet went through her eye and hits that. It's fucking insane.

I don't know how she didn't die doing this sequence. It is so fucking great. If you've not seen opera, do it. Watch this scene alone. It is glorious. Ah, so well done. I just showed Pearl. What did you think, Pearl? yeah i was looking at that i was like wow i mean either she had no brain or yeah it was just dude the way it goes through her you see like blood from the front

But it's actually like an impact. You see her head kind of fall back a little bit. And you see the hair blow back almost. Yeah, she basically got whiplash. Yeah. from there it was just a done deal dude it's insane like i don't know how they pulled it off but so good so good if you've not seen that sequence oh Oh, tighten up Buttercup and watch that. It's so freaking good. So, yeah, Opera. That's mine. Mine. What do you think, Dave? That's great.

Yeah, absolutely. That's what you really appreciate, sort of, and it seems strange to say it, but the artistry of Darrier Argento, that he thought of all that stuff. he thought of how the head would go and from that close range if it would go straight through and break this thing in the back and the hair blowing back and everything it's like a lot of thought was obviously put into so they're the last one maybe a second or even a split second

That's really something. Yeah, it's a quick sequence. It'll remind you, and I'm not going to tell the scene because somebody may have it on their list. I will just mention the name Fulci. It kind of is in that vein, so if you've not seen it, that's definitely, I think, where it was going, and it's just so well done. So that is our 5, 4, and 3. There again, we're not ranking them. It's just moments. But I want to get to some more voicemails.

uh let's go to oh here we go dave we got walking dead we got kyle on here pearl I don't know, but he's such a big lovable teddy bear. He's a great guy, really. Kyle, whatever you want to talk about, go to hell and talk about it. Absolutely. I love that, man. Bye, Kyle! I will say this, too, because in our chat room over on Jay of the Dead, Dave, I looked over and it was like 30 seconds. Holy shit. Yeah, I know. I was going to say, my phone keeps like ding, ding, ding, so we're already about

40 messages behind. That's what happens. All I did see was Jay posted Greg Amortis' mountain, which is a mountain in Utah that I monikered mine. Pearl's got hers. She's got her specific mountain, but it instantly makes me think of it. Joel mentioning how he's heading out there with his family at the end of the month. He's going to meet up with Jay and everybody else. That's so cool. But I had to say that I saw my mountain over there, Jay shared, and I said that because Kyle.

Instantly, I always think of Kyle and that big ol' hug he gave. Oh, yeah. Can't wait to hug you again, my friend. So, let's go to Reservoir.

Dr. Walking Dead here. So I've been thinking about the moniker, the tardy guy, and I don't like it. Sounds too much like the turdy guy. And I ain't no turdy guy. No, you're not. But I am LDS. So what about the late saint? Yeah, the late saint, that's pretty good. Anyway, I saw on Facebook, I just missed the best of 1993 episode, which is too bad, 1993. It's a good year. There's a lot of stuff going on in 1993. Let me see.

Well, I'll talk about that later. Jean Roland! Jean Roland! So, yeah, we're talking the quirky cinematic styling. of the French pornographer, Jean Roland. I learned a lot from the episode. It was great to hear all JV on there. Great to hear all the picks. I am not well versed in Jonathan Holland, so I'm going to give you a top three, because that's all I got.

But I'll expand from that eventually. So number one, well, let's go backwards. Number three, number three is the demoniacs. The demoniacs, which I recently watched because of you guys. I don't remember which show I learned about it, but I watched the demoniacs. That was weird. I didn't hate it, but it was weird. Now number two is a bit of a controversial pick because Dave pointed out it's not a true Roland film, but Zombie Lake. Zombie Lake's pretty cool. I like...

I kind of like Nazi zombies, but not like I want to be friends with Nazi zombies or I cheer for zombie Nazis. I just think You know, if you're going to have a monster you kill with extreme prejudice. It's always good to throw a little Nazi in there, because then, you know, wipe them out. Anyway, Zombie Lake, kind of cool. And then not surprisingly, not surprisingly, the best... genre-land movie I've ever seen is La Raison de l'Edmond are the grapes of death.

Grapes of Death. By the way, you probably noticed I thought it was hilarious. when I think, Dave, it was you who accidentally called it The Grapes of Wrath. That was awesome. That was awesome because Dave suggested, of course, intentionally a play on the title from the great John Steinbeck novel. Anyway.

It's a weird zombie movie, but it's a pretty cool zombie movie with some shocking, shocking turn of events. So yeah, I'll probably need to check out this fascination. It's got a great poster. You guys talked about the sci-fi. That's really cool, so I'll check that one out. Also, Internet Movie Database is pushing Night of the Hunted. pretty aggressively so that's on my watch list. So thank you guys for sharing, for expanding our cinematic minds and experiences.

And he got cut off, but man, I love hearing from Kyle, dude. Always great to hear from Kyle, and he reminds us of shows that we've done. I totally forgot we did that genre-rolling episode. I love it. I'm surprised you didn't say Merry Christmas, by the way.

Let's move on to Terry from Northern California. Let's see what he's got. Love you, Kyle. Greg Pearl Dave, Bill Deere from Northern California, Colin. And welcome he- I almost gave away your actual name, unknown cover. Nah, you don't. You're having a great show. I didn't know that I knew you. Anyway, hope y'all enjoyed this topic of kills and killers. The only thing that as far as my favorite kills and my favorite killer They're linked to the same franchise.

I mean, to me, the most memorable kill I've ever seen on screen and it's probably the one that even people who've never seen the movie are very familiar with and that's the shower scene in Psycho. with Janet Leigh and Anthony Perkins. I mean, that's just one of the most iconic kills that has ever been filmed. I know they did that remake with Gus San San. You know, we can kind of put that aside.

But no, that infamous shower scene will always be embedded in everybody's memory. And like I said, even people who've never seen the film are definitely familiar with that scene. As far as killers go, yeah, for me it's... even though Halloween is my number one movie but as far as killers go I do think about Norman Bates because He was, you know, you had one feeling about him in the first movie, but then when Psycho 2 came out,

He really became a sympathetic character that you actually was rooting for. And you were hoping that he would... He would finally be cured and would be able to go on to a regular life, but then it turns out that that just wasn't really meant to be. So, he was a very complex character and somebody that you definitely enjoy following throughout the four films that he did.

All right. Can't wait to hear what your discussions are about on this topic, and we'll talk to you next time. Take care. Bye-bye.

Oh, darn. You know, right. It is the, as UC has been saying, it's probably the most iconic kill. It really is. Psycho might have been, I mean, I don't know the history as well as you, Dave, but, you know, in terms of cinematic history, was he the first, quote-unquote, you know, was that the first killer movie? Well, no, Peeping Tom came out that same year. Okay.

Um, and I looked at that one as more of a proto slasher because in that one, you're following the killer and you like the killer. Like, he's the main character and even though he's doing these abhorrent things, you like him and you kind of want to see him maybe get away with him at the end right um we don't know that about norman base that's a big bunch of surprises in that movie yeah um you know so it's like it's like we like norman

Even though we don't know what he is. In Peeping Tom, we like the lead character even though we know what he is. Mm-hmm. Agree. I find it fascinating that I don't think Psycho would have worked in today's age because people would have spoiled it online. Only the first audience would have gotten the full experience. The minute.

that showing would have been done the internet would have been blowing up with everything and it would have been it would have been spoiled and even if it wasn't spoiled someone says something happens in the movie that you're not going to believe and now you're waiting for something to happen you know so it's it's you know What year was...

60. And that was the same year as Peeping Tom. The only other one I could think of that might be before that would be A Bucket of Blood. It could have been. Yeah, that might have been before because Corman was making movies in the 50s. So yeah, that could have very well been before. Let's get to one more call here and then we'll get back to our list. Let's go to Buffalo Paul.

Hello, LTC. That's Buffalo Pop. Yeah, sorry I haven't been calling this to the 1990s. I'm trying to block 1991 through 1994 out of my memory. See how the bill has lost more. straight Super Bowls. And I'd like to personally thank the Miami Dolphins for the following year winning the AFC Championship and saving us from a fifth straight loss. But for the horror movies and for this awesome topic we have this week.

Favorite killers and their favorite kills. So I'm just gonna give you the first three I thought of in all order. First one, I warned you not to go out tonight. Sweaty Joe Spinell and 1980s maniac. I absolutely love this movie. I think, I mean, Joe Spinell should have won an award because he really portrays a serial killer. He is very believable. I absolutely love this movie. And favorite kill, I've got to go with Tom Savini. gunshot through the window. That still looks great even up until today.

The second movie, this one gave me nightmares myself as a kid. This is another Tom Savini FX movie. This is 1986's Texas Chainsaw Massacre Part 2. Killer, obviously Leatherface's favorite kill is when the two punk kids were pranking the radio station and on the bridge Leatherface pops up in the back of that pickup truck. and saws to their car. That is awesome. I love that scene. That is some of Tom Savini's best work. Last one I'll talk about.

It's closing time at the Walnut Lake Market, and this time they're closing for good. Yeah, it's 1989's Infrooter. I think Dan Hicks, this is such a different take on a killer. He does a great job in this. This is one of the last great ones of the 80s. I really love this movie.

Please, don't misuse the bailer when unfortunate night crew employee Bob gets his head squashed in the bailer. That is Greg Nicotero on special text there. He does a great job. Absolutely loving Schroeder. One of my favorites. So that's what I got. Can't wait to hear the episode. Thank you for keeping horror alive.

Very cool. That's a great listen. Every time I use the bailer at work, I think of that damn scene. I really do. What about when you used to use the meat slicer, Dave? Do you think about that movie as well? No, actually I think about a scene from Ash vs. Evil Dead. Where the girl throws one of the Evil Deads, they're in a meat area, she throws it on a slicer like the type I used to work on and starts saying, slice thin just how I like it. That's what I think of.

I love it. All right, so let's get into our next list.

Alrighty, here we are. We're ready for our number twos. Let's head over to the UC himself. Anonkala, what you got for number two? Alright, so I don't know if I'm going to pronounce this right, but are you guys, does this name ring a bell? Ayoama? Ayoama? Ayoyama? Ayoyama. I don't know. Let me talk about the tool that she uses. Piano wire? Ah. Oh, yes. Oh, yeah. Is there some dog food involved? Yeah, audition. Audition. What a movie. What a movie. Just the slow burn, the actual romance that

develops, you know, you think it's one type of movie and the ending is just absolutely shocking. What a kill. What a kill. Love, love, love that fucking movie. If you've not seen Audition, holy crap. Go, whatever you want to do, whether you want to stream it. go hit arrows fix and release it on 4k there's a blu-ray of it man get that freaking movie i actually have to buy that movie

And there's a scene, I mean, the one you're talking about, everyone knows who's seen the movie knows the scene you're talking about. Oh, yeah. Obviously, and it is incredible. But there's also a moment in there that makes me jump every time. where she's just looking down at the phone and then something in the background. Yes. And I'm never prepared for it. I know it's coming and I'm never prepared for it. It's such a... For Takashi Miki, it's such a different type of movie for him.

It was always in your face, but in a lot of movies. Well, this is another one. This seems to be a bit of a theme where the movie takes a right turn. Abrupt. Yeah, it's like sort of a... I liked watching The Love Connection, you know, for the first half hour. Right. I love that movie. Great choice, man. Audition from Takeshi Miike. 1999. Wasn't she in Tokyo Gore Police? I believe so. Yeah, you might have been, which is a great move.

There were a lot of those type of films, like Yo-Yo Machine Girl, and just so much fun. Vampire Girl, The Ninja War, Hell Driver, and yeah, Tokyo War Police, there it is. I love it.

All righty, so let's head over to Doc. Doc, what's your second one? all right my second one um we're gonna go to an italian film like yourself greg not not uh an argento though And this is a scene I like to call puking her guts out. And it is from City of the Living Dead. Where the girl literally pukes every bit of her guts out and this poor actress had to actually like regurgitate tripe You think you see every single bit of her innards come out of her mouth In that scene. I love it.

I love it, dude. That is freaking awesome. I was thinking you were going somewhere totally different. Oh, yeah. When you hear Fulci, you automatically think the eye. Yeah. And rightly so, because he had an eye fetish. um but uh this this one is just i i the when as you're watching it like she can't have any she can't have any

Right. But there's still more coming out. Mm-hmm. Yeah. It's a freaking great scene, great movie, man. What a fun Fulci film to watch, man. I mean, it's not even my favorite in the series. No. of the beyond is of the um the gates of hell trilogy this is like the first entry But they're all great. I mean, I like that. Even a house by the cemetery. Poor Bob. That's not the kid's fault. It was who they got to dub him in English. That made him so annoying. It was not Bob.

because he was in i want to say manhattan baby i think Was it Manhattan, baby? He was in another Fulci movie, and they got someone else to dub him, and it was perfectly fine. Well, you know, sometimes you just gotta live with it, right? Yeah. I love a great scene.

Alright, Pearl, let's get to you. Number two, what you got? My number two is almost kind of like my number five, I think. Okay, all right. 2020. There's a robbery that's about to happen. And possibly go on. But guess what? They go on to the wrong house. And it turns out that the owners of the house are just as vicious and brutal themselves. And this is the owners.

We talked about that recently, didn't we? We did. And my favorite kill scene from that is Gasp, where he gets his face smashed by Mary with a sledgehammer. That's the British one. Yes. That's very recent. I remember seeing that. That is something. It's on Tubi if you want to see it. Yeah, that was that movie that shocked me because I didn't expect it to be that good. And then I'm watching, I'm like, damn, that's got some pretty good kills. That's weird.

because they were already originally there were killers a couple inside but they didn't know it yeah exactly it's another one of them like you said you said it perfectly kind of like the collector you You kind of happen to pop in on the wrong. You're going to know what house you're breaking into. Just like that. Don't breathe. It's another one that's along those lines, you know.

Yeah, exactly. All right, cool. Good choice, Pearl. Let's go to Bill. What you got, buddy? Well, I'm trying to think. I got so many good ones sitting here. But I'm going to go with my all-time favorite movie. Texas Chainsaw. Now, Texas Chainsaw, I always get mad at people that call it a slasher. It's not a slasher. You don't see any slashing, and you only see one kill. It's more like an exploitation horror film. Yeah, it's atmospheric. Right.

But the one kill is spectacular and it's William Vale playing Kirk going into the house looking for Pam And gets a sledgehammer to the hat. I have this on my list too, absolutely. Oh my god, like it's quick swift work. Leatherface comes out with his garb on, takes the sledgehammer, whack! Like in one foul swoop. Whack. Life is gone. The twitch though. That's what gets you. You see the body twitches. What I like about it is it's so abrupt.

Like it's just I'm taking no shit from anyone whack You think like he doesn't say oh, he doesn't let him to plead for his life He doesn't torture him. He doesn't molest stomach. He just kills them and I love that It's a profound moment in the film. I believe that, you know, that movie would not earn an R rating probably even now, but the intensity. And that scene just changes everything so much.

And then the door slam and the boom. Look what your brother dunked into the door. Look what your brother did to the door. Ain't he got no pride in his home? Oh my goodness. Somehow in my lifetime, I'm going to have to go down to Texas where they've separated the house from the property. They moved the house to a completely different area. But you can go have like a high tea.

Yes, at the slaughterhouse. Right. Where the chicken in the cage was, where the bone couch was, you can go in and have a spot of tea. Yep. A spot of tea. And it's so funny because you mentioned Texas Chainsaw Massacre 2. The kill at the beginning. The one image from that movie, and there's a lot of them, and I've come around to it. I wasn't the biggest fan of it initially, but I've come around to that one.

The image I take from that movie every time is Jim Sedow spilling the chili from the trophy on his polyester suit as he's holding the trophy. It's the mate! See, my favorite scene in that is I always think of whacked out Dennis Hopper running with a chainsaw in that underground tunnel. Yes. And it seems like Dennis Hopper's just in a different movie. It just seems like everybody else in that movie. The opening kill is awesome when they're on the highway.

Oh, yeah. No, that's a great scene. It really is. Nice. Well, I love it. All right, let me get to mine. I've got way too many that I really want to give out, but I'm...

I'm going to go with 1979. I'm going to go with Don Costarelli's Phantasm. Yes! I know where you're going with this one. I've got to go with the orb. It's the scene inside the mausoleum. And you hear the sphere, you hear the noise, and all of a sudden that sphere hits that dude square in the head. And the drill comes out and the blood's squirting out. Dude, what a great kill, man.

It's a fun kill. It's like one of those that you're just like, damn! And then it's even like some pee coming out. This is so fucking good. uh if you've not seen it man you've got to watch this fucking movie dude the other cool thing about that scene is like it was what 1978 79 whatever it was 79 that had to be had to be done practically Oh yeah. But in modern times now, would they do it practically?

Well, the problem is it was a low-budget film. Right. Which means, no, they would use CGI, but it would be the type of CGI they could afford, which means it would look like hell. Sometimes doing practical, even though it's not quite as pristine, is better than doing a crappy CGI. Right. Sure. So that's my only thing.

I haven't seen a box set so bad. I have not seen that movie, I swear, in 30 years. I need to re-watch that. Which box set are you talking about? There was a box set where they actually had the orb as the box. I remember seeing that. That's really cool. Our buddy Keith Brower, Keith, hopefully you listen here, buddy. Keith sent me a, and it was DVDs, he sent me The Sphere years ago. And I have sensed one of the prongs on it, the hook.

or whatever has come off, and I still have it, but it kind of broke off. But anyways, you would open the sphere, and the disc would lay in there, kind of standing up. I love that freaking set. I know exactly what you're talking about, and they've since released an even nicer set like that. Keith Brower was the one that sent me that, and I love it. But it still says I got it on my shelf back here. It's just the blades are in a box somewhere. I couldn't get them to stay off.

Well, there you go. So that is our twos. Let's get to our ones. These, once again, are not our number ones, but just ones. Let's get to you, UC, what you got for your last one. We can probably do some honorable mentions after, right? Yeah, we'll do it as we do our outdoors. Okay, well, this is not the name of the movie, but do you guys remember the hunchback in this movie?

what movie young frankenstein there's a cult and there's two guys that were former british soldiers turned hitmen and they're sent on a quest and it ends up with the last one waking up in a field of cultists and there's a knife fight and he has to fight the hunchback in the movie kill list Oh, Kill List. No, I don't... Do I remember that one? I don't know if I know that one.

No. You know what? I thought I'd seen it. I don't know if I've seen that. That's a Ben Wheatley movie? Ben Wheatley, yes. I know Ben Wheatley, yeah. And I know J of the Dead's a big, big proponent. He loves this movie. Okay, well, I won't spoil it for anyone, but all I can say is I know the end of Serbian movie shocked everybody, but the end of Kill List is extremely shocking.

Okay. It's an amazing kill. Nice. But I won't run it since you guys don't know. We've been doing it all night. It's all good, buddy. Yeah. It's a very... For a Ben Wheatley movie, it's very straightforward. The twist at the end is amazing. 2011, I'm looking it up on the I am the baby. Don't look it up on Wikipedia. It'll ruin it for you, but yeah. I was going to say, was that before or after a field in England? It was before. It would have been, yeah.

and before the Meg too thank god I love it alright well cool kill this for you see over let's go to you doc what you got buddy alright this is one that just disturbed the hell out of me and stayed with me for a while and afterwards.

It's not the most graphic one, but it feels as if it is. And it's probably the one that has the biggest stars in this particular scene. And I'm talking about Julianne Moore, Ray Liotta, and Mr. Anthony Hopkins. It is the end of Hannibal eating your own brain. That scene, because he's just sort of slowly winding down. That smells good. Can I try some?

And it was like, it wasn't so much just removing like the skull, it was peeling the membrane. That's when it became real to me. I'm like, and it was just handled so well. You know, and I'm not gonna sit here and say Hannibal. I mean, Hannibal was a decent sequel to Silence of the Lambs, but it wasn't the level of Silence of the Lambs. It just wasn't. But that scene bothered me more than even anything I'd seen in Silence of the Lambs.

it just really really got to me and i was for days i was just thinking about that like how would that really play out i mean is that how it would really happen because it seemed like it would play out that way that

As his brain is disappearing, he's slowly winding down. It's almost like the monkey scene in Temple of Doom, but to an extreme on a human. Exactly, yes. I remember seeing that in the theater as it was happening, going... this is friggin awesome because he's like he's peeling back the membrane and he's slicing it and he's frying it up on the pan yeah and julian more's like twist she wants to get out of there

And that smells good. Can I try some? Sure, go ahead. I love it. Good choice, Dave. Let's go to the Twisted Temptress and get in that twisted mind again.

Oh, it's so twisted. So wicked. What you got in there, Pearl? You know what? I do. I have a time. I know him personally, but I love his work. Did you hear what she said though Dave? No. I have a tie. I almost said, I almost said, I almost said, just to piss people off her, I almost said I have a five-way tie for first. Yes, I just gave her a high five on that one. I love it. Alright, bro, what's your tie? The first one I have to go with is a 2007 movie. seco

The family goes back to Barstovia. And the young girl Beth and her friends go to travel to get, you know, unwind and all. but they end up finding a russian cult that likes to have a game of their own it is hostile part two and my favorite kill from this is actually the one the bloodbath

It kind of has a Elizabeth Barclay feel to it. Yeah. Wow. Girl hanging and getting scared. That's the one moment I remember from that movie. I had to turn that movie off the first time that scene showed up. It freaked me out so bad.

funny because i put a rewind i watched it again i had to see it again i watched it a lot since then but man oh man but that was my first one okay okay Okay, now to explain the second one without giving it away because I know a lot of people have not seen it and it's too good of an ending twist to not you know to It's best kept secret But a beautiful young French woman

travels to a country with her family and brings along her friend until her parents are brutally attacked by a psychotic truck driver who proceeds to stalk them two until her friend's in the back of a truck and she goes to follow. To save her. Now all I'm going to say. Is that the best. Kale for me on this one is when her father's killed. face slash with a straight razor, decapitated with a bookcase.

and this is high tension 2003 that's another just matter of fact scene where it's just happening slowly and you're like oh shit that just happened yeah Yeah, that movie right there is insane. You could pick probably 15 kill scenes in there, however many there are. Like, every scene in there is epic. Like, it's just... And whenever anybody posts on Facebook or they ask me and they say... What's a film with a cool twist?

That's your film. That would definitely be the one. It outfights Fight Club. Did I say too much? I was just looking up Hostel 2. Did you know that Edwidge Fennec was in it? yes yes and the other one that is is uh oh who is it down here forget there's another there's a few people do cam oh rogero deodato's in it oh wow as the italian cannibal yes Alright, let's get to my last one. Are you going to skip over me?

Oh, yeah, Bill, you go to yours good because that gives me another minute to look at mine because I'm sitting here like I still have like 15 I want to talk about. Yes, I got you. Same thing. Now, I originally had this list and... This actual one came to me as I was sitting here and I can't believe I didn't have it on my list. To me this is perhaps the most spectacular death scene without actually seeing the individual die. It's an early 70s thriller horror, 1973.

Mr. Edward Woodward in The Wicker Man. Oh, yeah! That final death scene. That's one of the most iconic. That's right. That's up there with Psycho, I'd say. That is... For anybody that's not seen The Wicker Man, I can see the first time I ever saw The Wicker Man, I kind of stumbled through because it's a bit of a police procedure about missing people.

Until you get into a certain aspect of this film. And let's say you've never prayed to God the way that Edward Woodward did at the end. With a little bit of burden. a little bit of cult action a little bit of whodunit or why is it happening to me again it's those death screams

It's that wondering, what would you do in this situation? Because you know that your floor is getting warm and you can tiptoe all you want, but the inevitability is going to happen. What would your mindset be as that's going on? It is. freaky as anything. Really looked at that for Midsommar is like the end, you know, the way that that movie ends

It might have been an inspiration. I mean, I don't think it was a direct homage. I think it was absolutely an inspiration. Yeah, definitely an inspiration. He came up with something different. But just enough of a similarity to make sense. I mean, the other nice thing about this film is Brett Eklund. Ah! Dancing around, yeah. Dancing around, and Ingrid Pitt. Like, I'm in... You forget that there are portions of this movie where it's a musical.

yeah there's musical scenes there's like it's almost uh what's that japanese one the cat kuris welcome to the cat yes yeah you know like there's some musical elements to a horror film and you're But yeah, this is, this is, I think it's a death for the age. I love it. Great scene, man, for sure. So there you go.

Down to mine now. Oh, God, I still haven't. I just got to pick it. Pick the bloodiest one. Well, I'll save that. I'm going to save that. Alright, so let's go with one that was not bloody, but I think it was one of the most impactful, packful, and forceful, just knock your socks off, literally. death sequences and that is in 1989's Stephen King's Pet Cemetery. It's the kill scene of the gate. That kill right there is still embedded in my brain. I can't see it. I can't unsee it. It's like

I still cringe every time I see it. It's shot so well and it's that build up. You know it's going to happen and it just takes time and it takes time. And then when it happens, you're like, no, there's no way. And then the face of Lewis Creed just, you know, it's, there's so much about that kill that there again, no blood necessarily. It's not that type kill. It's just the,

The way it just gets you in the crawl. It breaks you. It just really destroys you. But it's the fact that it breaks a trope that very rarely gets broken. Like, you can count on your hands the amount of times that kind of death has occurred in a movie other than, like, a drama or something. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And... Yeah, like anybody that's a parent or has cousins, it's a gut punch. It's an absolute gut punch.

Last one I'll give. I've got a bunch more we'll get to. It's like Old Yeller, though. I can never watch Pet Cemetery again. Exactly. Old Yeller. Damn it. I'm tearing up already. Was Gage rabid? He later was, but maybe not right away. All right, so that is our fives that we're going to give. We'll still give out some honorable mentions and stuff, but we still got some calls to get to.

And I do want to mention this right here before we go to Dave to give us what the next episode is going to be about. But at the end of this episode, you are going to get to see, or not see, but you're going to get to hear myself and Justin Beam, and you can hear Pearl in the background, talking about killing. and what we did was Justin came and stayed with us last weekend and we had a great time and we ended up recording about an hour or Just impromptu.

We didn't have any notes or anything. We just kind of went off the fly. He sat here right beside me when we recorded. So you'll get to hear that at the end of the episode. So I hope you enjoyed a little over an hour or something around in there. So anyways, I said that, but let's go to you, Dave.

Let's let the listeners know what the next episode is going to be about. Right, well, the next episode, number 429. And throwing a little monkey wrench into the works again for Bill. We're going to be doing our top five of 1994. I'm right sometimes. And our special guest, Victoria. Victoria Chambers will be our guest for the top five of 1994. That's right. So go ahead and get your calls in. 1-804-569-5682.

uh your top five horror films from the year 1994 with special guest victoria uh so go ahead and get those calls and cannot wait to do that we'll announce this again at the end of the episode but uh it's gonna be fun Yeah. Not a woman on. There's going to be a lot of them. Hopefully she'll still be alive.

If Victoria's not around here, we're coming after you. Well, it's funny. Every time I message Pearl, I say, are we getting more women on? We want more strong women to have their voices heard. So please, don't be shy, ladies. I don't bite. unless you ask me because I mean it's really just a ball of laughs

Alright, so let's get to our voicemails here. Let's see who we got up. Hello, Reaper. This is Anthony. And for my shot tonight, in honor of our gracious host, I'm going to do an unknown shot. An unknown shock. I don't understand what it is. It is our secretive. Uh, cheers. Cheers to everyone, though. It's not based on. Oh, God. That could have been water. Oh, it's a peanut buttery. Oh, shit. Oh, sorry. I'm Eric.

Um, what are we talking about? Killers? I guess shout out to my favorite killer, Freddy. Freddy Krueger. He kills you in your dreams. He's creative. He's a funny guy. He'll crack a joke and he'll... What'll he do? He'll pick you up. He'll put you into a... He'll put you into the TV. He'll say welcome to Primetime Day. one of my favorite kills of all time is the Tina kill where she's like flipping upside on the room and just like

The blade wounds appear in her body and then just blood rains down. It's just... He kills you in a video game, you know, he'll make your organs, your veins into a marionette puppet. I'm not trying to give the unknown caller any idea. I swear. I'm sorry. I want to let that be known. I do want to give a shout out to part two. Very unknown. Not unknown. It's not a known, because everyone knows Freddy. The lesser loved of the franchise, where Freddy comes through the torso.

of uh jesse no not jesse his friend his uh his boyfriend but i do want to say that um for the unknown caller if you're there if you are really there i don't want to you know i don't give you ideas but if you do come for me if you do come for me You know, first of all, I'm ready. But if you do come from me, I just want to put in a request. I want you to come through my torso, like explosion through the torso, like Freddy does in part two.

with Jesse's boyfriend. Either it's supernatural and you just burst through my chest or I can lean against the door. like practical style and you can come through through a hole in the door. Just like as you come through my chest, just turn around and I can be like, oh yeah, there he is, he's been on call. I just want to make a request. I'm ready, I'm ready. Anytime you would come for me, I'm ready.

Yeah, that's it. Freddy's on my mind because, oh man, I've been going back and I've been doing it. This is a segue into Feedback Friday, which I'll get to in the next call. Peace and love, peace and love. I gotta know what was in that shot. That went dark really quick. He wants it too much, you know? Yeah, he's asking for a very unusual home invasion. You guys ever watched Always Sunny in Philadelphia?

I've seen it, yes. Yeah, you know how Mac loves Dennis and he wants Dennis to do things? I think he just wants it too much. I like... He used the word segue. I might be using a segue instead. It's kind of a turn-off, isn't it? Yeah, when they want it too much, I don't know. Maybe that's Anthony's idea, to turn you off that way. Yeah, good reverse psychology.

Sorry, Anthony. But you have to do it in your own method. Don't let him predetermine the method. I want you to walk him down the hallway with his veins. Dream Warrior stuff, yeah. He is right. 2 is underrated. I feel like it's a good movie. You know, just like Halloween 3, you know, people poo-poo on these movies and they're always worth a second watch.

That's right. Nobody mentioned the mask kill in Halloween 3. Well, we're still rolling. We're still rolling. It might be mentioned. Let's see what he's got on his second call.

Hello, Brayverse, this is Anthony. Ah, General, uh, calling in. I believe that was benched. I called in last night.

Technically, I think I'm still on the hook for a penalty shot, so I'm going to cheers right now. Oh, boy. I know the cat's out of the bag. I'm drinking a screwball peanut butter whiskey still. I haven't stopped. Cheers. Cheers. Cheers. Cheers. Cheers. Cheers. Cheers. Cheers. Cheers. Cheers. Cheers. Cheers. Cheers. Cheers. Cheers. Cheers. Cheers. Cheers. Cheers. Cheers. Cheers. Cheers. Cheers. Cheers. Cheers. Cheers. Cheers. Cheers. Cheers. Cheers. Cheers. Cheers. Cheers. Cheers. Cheers. Cheers. Cheers. Cheers. Cheers. Cheers. Cheers. Cheers. Cheers. Cheers. Cheers. Cheers. Cheers. Cheers. Cheers. Cheers. Cheers. Cheers. Cheers. Cheers. Cheers. Cheers. Cheers. Cheers. Cheers. Cheers. Cheers. Cheers. Cheers. Cheers. Cheers. Cheers. Cheers. Cheers. Cheers. Cheers. Cheers. Cheers. Cheers. Cheers. Cheers. Cheers. Cheers. Cheers. Cheers. Cheers. Cheers. Cheers. Cheers. Cheers. Cheers.

Alright. Okay, so really quick. I was reflecting on my call last night. I think I had the kill wrong.

number and number two it's not a big deal but i just wanted to i said jesse's friend got killed it was jesse got killed it was like freddy becoming jesse well jesse becoming freddy vice versa why do i have freddy on the brand uh it's flashback friday i want to you know Looking back on previous LOTC episodes, I've been listening to the amazing Nightmare on Elm Street coverage episodes 7 through 10 all the way back.

So we love top fives here. So what I want to do right now, I do want to, we love top fives here in LATC. I want to do the top five moments for the first 10 episodes. of LFGC and I'm just gonna break it down really quickly. My number five moment was from episode 7. There was a metal song played, the entire metal song played at the very end of the episode. The band was called Alex Tracton. The song was Beauty and the Beast. It was great. Just played the whole song. I was rocking out.

after listening to a Nightmare on Elm Street breakdown. It was great. My fourth moment is from episode four. I think Double H expressing his disdain for waxwork too. I mean, what do you got to love about Double H is he doesn't mince work. Even though I disagreed when he said that the best part of Batman Effect 2 was when it was over.

I disagree, but then again, you gotta love it. He doesn't miswork. Number three, episode two, they're debating The Walking Dead. Like, the season two, the beginning of season two, that's how long LSTC's been around, of course. Of course, Bill Shetty hated it, but there was a nice little debate about talk about early Walking Dead. That was fun. Night number two moment is Greg interviews Hirsch and Gordon Lewis in the second episode.

Not just for hearing from Hershengard-Lewis was great, but Greg had great questions. It was very informative. He's a big, learned things about Hershengard-Lewis. Like, he's a renowned marketer. And my favorite moment from the top 10, the first 10 episodes was probably episode 3 and 4 at the end. There was a Horror Palace 12 Days of Christmas song done with like a chipmunk-y voice.

and all the people who were in the horror palace at the time. You got to hear from Dr. Shock as well, and Jay of the Dead, just giving holiday wishes and recommendations for horror movies. It was pretty cool. Jay of the Dead recommended inside class horror movies. and i remember none of this i had forgotten that land of the crease was originally part of that horror pal it was it was yeah We were one of the first ones. That's right. How long ago was that interview, Greg? Do you remember?

It would have been 2010 or 2011. Yeah, it would have been 2011, something like that. It was a while ago. That's still up. Because he passed away how long ago? How long ago did Herschel go home? It's been quite a few years. It's been at least five years. Yeah. Yeah, you won't find it on Apple or anything you see. You'd have to literally probably go on the blog spot. On the actual site, yeah. Yeah, you can go back and check it out.

Are you on Podbean? Podbean keeps their stuff archived for a long time. I'm sure I'm out there. Wasn't that Waxworks episode something sort of notorious? Number four, episode four was the notorious one. That's the one you had to record how many times? We recorded like felt like 20 times. I don't know how many it was. Pearl, you are recording, right? No, it wasn't that. The whole deal with that one was by the

fourth or fifth time was when Bruno, Jeff Bromley, sat and told me, he said, if they don't record this time, I'm not doing it again. It was that forceful, like this is it. You're recording this episode, right? Yeah. Maybe. We'll see. I'll watch this. Listen, this is going to scare you guys, but listen to this right here. Watch this. Recording in progress.

Don't let that scare you. I was going to say, you better be shitting. This is a Zoom feature that is like a backup recording, but I'm recording it on a regular record, so it's all good. But you said that, and I said, oh, I better hit record.

Anywho, so that's Anthony. I appreciate the call, buddy. And you know what? I just recently heard him over on Headlong in the Monsters. with Raul and their special guest was G-Rag. Yeah, I gotta go back and listen to that one. And it was right before it's sort of a time capsule because it was right before Christmas of this last year.

because they were talking about the upcoming christmas episode so they're a little bit behind on on uh headlong in the monsters but they were they were looking at um oh god who was who was the filmmaker um a bugler They looked at Troll. They looked at... He's the guy who directed Friday the 13th Part 7.

Yeah, right. So they looked at three movies and it was a lot of fun. You know, it was a blast listening to the three of them go back and forth on that one. Because it seems as if Anthony R. has become sort of a permanent co-host. over on headlong in the morning. Well, Ashley's taking a break. Ashley's taking like a hiatus, yeah.

So Anthony R stepped in, and it's a lot of fun. If you haven't heard that episode, definitely check it out. Ashley's got some stuff going on, but Anthony's filling in more than capably. And Raul messaged me recently. He said, hey, just so you know, I'm finally watching Welcome Home, Brother Charles. And I said, that's great. Have you ever seen one do that before? Anyone who's never seen the movie knows what we're talking about. Nope.

We'll leave that alone, so if you've seen it, you know. If you haven't, go watch it. Yes, I'll tell you what. It was right up, well, I would say it's right up Raul's alley, but that would be a little bit gross. It's just something that Raul, I thought, would appreciate. Let's go to our next caller here.

Hey man, to the creeps, Chris Bartoli from Worcester Mass here. How you doing? I want to say hi to all these awesome hosts. We got Greg. Bill, Dave, of course Pearl, and special guest, OMG Unknown Caller. Holy shit, man. I was wondering where you were for a while there. Didn't know if maybe you got pinched for, like, something else, and then you might come back, you know, when it got released or whatever, but I don't know. But no, all seriousness, man.

Hope everything's going good. Everything's straightened out, man. It's great to have you back, Colin. You are one of those, you know, besides the host and everything like that, you know. One of the ones that make this show just freaking awesome, man. And when you called back a couple episodes ago, I was like, holy shit. I was like, oh my god, it's him. Or I said something like that. I can't remember what, but it was pretty exciting, man. So good to have you back. And

This should be a fun episode. I can't wait to hear your antics, that's for sure. All right, so kills and killers. I'm going to go a little bit crazier. So I got two favorite kills. These are the ones that kind of hit me when I was young, I guess. So the first one, happy birthday to me, and it's the shish-gabag to the throat kill. I remember seeing that the first time. I was probably 10 or 11.

So it was right around 81, 82. We had HBO back when it was like the, um, the box you put on top of the TV. You have to flip it over. It was like a pay thing. It was, uh... Now, Dave, I know you had that. And, uh, so at the time, it was just a movie my mom had probably watched at first deemed it okay for me to watch, which meant there probably wasn't a ton of nudity or sex in it. seem like, you know.

Seeing heads locked off, throats being slit, people being disinvolved, that was fine. Better moves on the screen. No, I can't see that, but whatever. But anyway, so... I had no idea that was coming when I saw him. It just took me by, like, holy crap. It was, it stuck with me for, like, long time it's a shame too because like on the any like I'm you know VCR DVD the boxes that's like this that's like what they put on the cover which is a shame because when you don't know that's coming

And you see it. It's pretty crazy. And I haven't probably seen that movie since then. I would definitely like to see it again. Because the only reason I haven't seen it. I just haven't seen it. But that's one for sure. And another one I have. is one that I rented on video probably back like Early mid-80s, I was probably maybe 12, 13 when I saw this one.

and City of the Living Dead, and it's the girl, like, regurgitating all her innards, or her bowels, whatever. That, I'm watching that as a kid, I'm like, Oh my god, this is unlike anything I've ever seen before. And it's like, is that really a kill? You kind of think, well, if it's a kill, someone's got to be killed. I say, no, it's a kill if it's something that's just unnatural. Now, I haven't been to college. I didn't go, I have no med degree, but I'm pretty sure puking up your answer.

It got cut off, but that's okay. He called back. Let's see. Let's go to a second call. Hey, everybody, Chris Boutfield again. Got the old Ben Chirou, but that's okay. I think I left off. My other favorite kill, Sid and Living Dead, the girl puking up her bowels, her intestines, all that stuff. a natural act so to me that counts as a kill alright so now as far as a favorite killer goes okay

I can easily say Michael Myers because Halloween favorite horror movie of all time, absolutely. You can go Jason, you can go Freddy, and they're all... could be a favorite but i'm gonna go with one this is another one i'm going like to my young years like when i was just a kid probably before the age of 10 and i remember seeing a movie and i'm

I was a teenage werewolf. And for some reason I remember seeing that and thinking the werewolf makeup in that was just awesome. Haven't seen it in years. I'm not sure how it would stack up today. I saw this well before American Wolf in London, Holland, all that stuff was out. I was aware of launching his Wolfman, but for some reason, I was a Teenage Werewolf. I remember seeing that a couple times on Creature Feature or whatever on Saturday afternoon.

I just love the effect and I thought that was just really, really scary. So for me, I'm going to put that as one of my favorite killers because it's just, it's, again, a movie I haven't seen in decades and it still registers in my head. So I'm going to go with that. So those are my picks. That's it. I can't wait to hear what everybody comes up with. I know everybody's going to kill it, as always.

Everybody, man, love y'all. And I'm going to call it so good to hear from you. I can't wait to hear the show. All right. So that's it, man. So LLTC, thank you for keeping horror alive. Bye. What a great call, dude. Yep, very cool. If anybody wants to know, I did have a knife up to his throat the entire time. LAUGHTER It worked. It totally worked. I'll wait to it. I'm sure. I love Chris Bartoli, man. Such a great guy.

Yeah, he messages me sometimes. Not even about movies. We talk about sports and horror and just life. He's wicked hardcore, but he's probably a Patriots fan, so whatever. What are you, Bartoli? I know what you are, but that's okay. You're my friend. That's what you are, no matter what team you go for. I was going to say he's jealous of Bill Belichick's young girlfriend. Ask her first about that. Yeah, be sure. Watch out, Tar Heels. I got two coaches now. So let's go to this. G-Ray.

Hey, Land of the Greats, hello with G-Reg, uh, Other Greg from Northcack Lackey at Wilmington, and calling for the, uh, Killers episode with special guest Unknown Caller. I'm not a caller. I forgot what I said about being from Wilmington, North Cackalackay. I'm actually from... Willington, North Delawacky. I'm way up in the mid-Atlantic states, not obviously near where Greg and Mortis live. So anyway, just outside of it.

All right. But anyway, about pillars and lots. I was listening to another podcast. They were talking about horror comedies. And I was thinking about Art the Clown. I would say that Art the Clown is probably my favorite killer that I've seen in years. on a film because he just he brings together like different things that you've seen similarly done in horror movies before like he's got the clown aesthetic where you might think of Captain Spaulding you know, or petting vines or what have you.

And he brings the happiness, you know, that heart and... I've marked Pennywise and Captain Spaulding all have kind of a lightheartedness to what they do. Although Captain Spaulding's kind of curmudgeon about it. But in any case, you've got the clown part, but then he's also a silent killer, you know, unlike the very talkative.

Pennywise and Captain Spalding is a silent killer, so he kind of brings in, you know, the classic horror stalkers, but Michael Myers and Jason, etc. You know, he doesn't say a word, but he mimes about, and that's where you get the brilliant talent of David Howard Thornton bringing his mime talent.

You know, his physical expressions, non-verbal, that he can do. It's so impressive to just get a laugh out of you. You know, and I like some Mr. Keaton and some Charlie Chaplin, you know, those great silent film comedians.

And they could crack you up without saying a word. And, you know, bring that horror to combine those things, put those together. And then his, like, you know, just... amazing abilities the things that he does that he should not be able to do that are like Freddy Krueger let loose into the real world kind of just how he just he just does what he wants to do

and sometimes people in a dormitory do not hear a chainsaw and screaming, you know, what have you, just because they don't, you know. So, anyway, I'm going to go art and clown for those reasons. And go, before I get cut off, honorable mentions for favorite killers. Go to Michael Myers. And I can't remember a chop top from...

And he got cut off, and he did call him back. I cut him off, I cut him. Oh, you got him. He thought he fooled you by saying Wilmington, Delaware. Man, I don't know, Chop Top, I think he was going with Chop Top Killing. And I don't remember Chop Top actually killing anybody, but he was definitely in the family. And he liked to pick his brain, so it was a little metal plate.

I would consider that one. I'll go with it. Let's see here. We've got about five more calls left. Let's get to... We've got to have this one. We can't have a show without this individual. We know who it is.

Unknown caller. No, this is not the unknown caller, but unknown caller. I am coming to get you before you can come and get you're on the kill or be killed or killers or whatever that kills That's going to be nothing if you come after me. And I don't know why I'm talking like that all the time. I am. No. Why don't you come on up here to Ohio so you can hang out with the Benchman. Uh, as for the subject of kills and killers and all that, You know, my mind goes right to just my favorite movie.

You know, there's so many interesting incidents, but yet I always seem to go back to those favorite movies. So, like, let's go to, well, that one, The Greasy Strangler. You know, there's a scene where there's three foreigners and they're trying to get some potato chips out of a vending machine. And the whole scene is just absolutely ridiculous, too.

You know, it's over the top ridiculous. It's hilarious, it's well crafted, and it's the first time that we actually really get to see the full extent of what the Greasy Strangler can do. And it's over the top. The one guy getting his face bashed in. The other one getting choked. He's talking about it. There's just too much going on. I go to all of them that I enjoy. You have Friday the 13th Part 6.

which, you know, this is the sixth entry into the series, and yet it has some moments that just are, you know, sheer cinematic gold. The whole RV sequence is... is probably my favorite sequence of the Friday the 13th series. Mostly just because of the wicked ending of where he's standing atop a flaming RV. How can that not be cool? And it's shot perfectly and executed just as great. And I just go down the list of my favorite.

Another standout because I mean it's not really a killer, but it's a killer shark and you have Jaws. The Kidner Boy is absolutely killing and it's It's visceral, and it's not one that you easily can... Uh-oh, and it got cut off, so let's go to the bencher's bench. The bencher's bench. I thought I was just talking about Strauss and, you know, the Pitner boy, not spoiling anything, but it's probably one of the more visceral scenes.

that movie where Spielberg isn't pulling any punches I mean he's just going right at the jugular and in that sequence we learned that The dog probably perished as a smack before getting to, you know, little Alex Kichner. as the main card.

for that sequence but i mean it starts off with with a bang with with chrissy the first victim that we see as she's swimming with her with her new uh friend that she met by the bonfire and they're going in for a little skinny dip and she becomes the first meaty morsel that we know of for the shark. You know, people, I know Dave laughs at Christine and how you can just dart out of the way. And, I mean, I'm not going to sit there and disagree with that. But yet, I mean, the moochie death.

He had nowhere to run. He put himself into that corner. And Christine takes him out in a deservingly manner with Arnie making comment to the detective about how when they had the shovel up his leg. Isn't that what you do with crap? There's a certain level of brilliance there. I just look at them as my favorite movies. That's exactly where this went to. Michael Myers in the first one.

Probably, um, oh my gosh, my name, you know, I'm trying to think of his name, but of course I can't think of it right now. Bob. And he gets stabbed, and it's the classic. scene where he's just sticking around. And it's just well done. It's those ones that really kind of make you go, yep, I see it.

Yep, that's pretty dang cool. So, I mean, I'm, I'm, I'm, I don't know. I'm eager to see the episode and, uh, no, no, I hope you're having a fun time. And, uh, You better keep looking behind your shoulder. Greg from Ohio just might be behind you. Uh-oh. Uh-oh, what do you think of that, UC? Hold on one second. I got somebody in the background there. Hey, how you doing, buddy? I'm doing great, everybody. I may have called too many times, so I'm not in Ohio anymore.

Shut the fuck up, buddy. You'll be fine. I'll loosen the ties in a little bit. I love all the shout-outs, man. This is great. This is great. Greg will be dead very soon. Now you see, when you kidnapped him, did you kidnap his meat as well? Yes. Greg, formerly of Ohio. He will bench no more. No more. Remember when you guys actually thought he was me? We were going back and forth with who the hell were they? Such dumbasses. It was the best. And

He must have escaped because he called one more time. Oh, no! Went on the floorboards. Damn it, I better go look. Hold on. Uh-oh. Is he going unknown? He's running through the backyard with the handcuffs still on. Let me get my knife! Hold on! Who's that behind me?

Oh, shoot, I thought that was the unknown color. Man, dude, unknown color. I am so sorry. I was just teasing before. Man, don't come and get me, man. I'm up here in Ohio, you know. I just got out of the movie theater. I saw... Clown in the cornfields and I'm like I don't know man, it was a fun movie.

Uh, plenty of cool kills. I mean, that's what you guys are all about. Killers and kills. And, you know, if you have a phobia of clowns, I mean, this one's definitely going to make you wiggle in the seat a little bit. It definitely, uh... Have some good clown usage, I would suppose, I would say.

Um, I don't know. Very fat on a rating. I just got out of the theater, so I kind of gotta let it sink in. I enjoyed it. Some people were immediately griping, not spoiling anything, but there is some comedic elements to it. Uh, I'm going to chop it up as, look at 45 years of slasher movies. I know it's longer than that, let's just say.

For 45 years of slasher movies, this thing kind of puts them all into a blender, took out some high notes, took out some references here and there, paid some homage to, you know, some other movies. self-referential moments. It'll be a lot of fun. I enjoyed it. It's a good throwback to multiple different years and decades.

However you want for the slasher movies. Uh, after that, you know, another divisive movie that's been out this year that has plenty of, uh, how I will say whimsical, uh, over the top Goofy, the highly entertaining kill is the monkey. I know that this has been a topic where people, they just, I don't know if they don't get it. I don't know if they didn't read the source material. I just don't understand, but that's okay. I'm just griping the gripe.

Yeah, the monkey is high on my list. I thoroughly enjoy it. But that's just because that's how I am. I'm a monkey deep in heart.

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Alright, we'll talk to you guys later. Enjoy it. I can't wait to hear the episode. That's what I'm going to enjoy. Oh, no, no, no! I got him. You got him. I thought you did. I thought you had to have got him. I mean, that's about it. Yeah, I mean, that's Eli Craig from Tucker and Dale. That's probably why it's got some humor. I can't wait to see it. I'm actually going to see if Pearl is going to see it maybe tomorrow or sometime.

It sounds so dumb, though. It really does. Can you use your coupon card thing to go watch it? Well, yeah, we don't have to pay because we pay our monthly thing. But yeah, it'll be free to us. So we might try to watch out tomorrow, Pearl, or Sunday. We'll see. She's okay. Alright, so let's see. Let's go to Victoria, and then we got Brian Scott, and then Greg P. That's what we got left, so let's go to Victoria.

Hey, Lynn's reach. Victoria's calling in for the... Killer. Favorite kills. with the Unknown Caller. Hopefully he's just calling in and not anywhere physically close to any of us. Kind of concerned about why he wants to know our favorite kills. Yeah, maybe taking some notes. No reason. Anyway, so some of my favorite killers, I would have to say Freddy Krueger for... irritating and being able to curate the kills to your nightmare and then art the clown for

being Art the Clown. He's gonna make it funny, at least for him. Gotta give it to Annie Wilkes for... She got away with her brother before she, um... uh went on misery was her favorite author there but she got away with a lot of murder before she got killed mick taylor He is

It's one of those that's interesting because he's almost charismatic a little bit, but there's obviously something wrong with him when you interact with him. So it's like you don't want to be around him, but at the same time, you're like, am I overthinking it? So, and then, uh, last one I'd say is the Wishmaster, because he's going to find a way to make you word what you say to him as a, I mean, you know, quote your wish. You know, it doesn't matter how you word it.

You're gonna find a way to make you regret it. My favorite kills... You know, I gotta go with my favorite kill now of all time being from In a Violent Nature, Johnny Killing the Yoga Girl. If you haven't seen that movie because you think it's boring or your heart is boring, just watch it once. I like that one. One that's always gotten to me is from Final Destination 3, the tanning beds, because I am... I don't know if I should tell this without them calling, but I am terrified of fire.

So that one always, I can't watch it. Make mistake. The opening kill with Cesaria. I think that's a good one, Bill. I know. I know. I'm sorry. I love that movie. And the last one I'm just going to mention is, because I know a lot of people are going to mention a lot of them, so I'm just going to mention one more and then be done.

Um, the jump scare in Exorcist 3. If you haven't seen that movie, you need to see that movie. It's a damn good movie. So good. Alright, so I'm going to say, I'm sure the unknown caller is crazy in this, so I'm going to hang up. See you later. Bye. Oh, it is. A little bit. A little bit. Wishmaster 1 and 2 were so good. I wish they would have followed up with that better. Yeah, well, that's because of Andrew Devo.

Yeah. He was gone by number three, and that's unfortunately where it just, that was where it was done. So sad. He was the one who made, he has, one of my all-time favorite lines is in the first one. When he's like, what wish do you have? And she's like, I want you to shoot yourself. And he does it like, that which is eternal cannot die, but if it's any consolation, sweet Alex, that hurt like hell. Such a good saying.

Let's go to Brian Scott, which he emailed, and this is what he said. This is because of you, unknown. So, he says, I called in super early. He called in on April 29th, by the way. He said, I called in super early so unknown caller won't murder me. That was his email. Now, keep in mind, Brian is usually the day of recording is when he usually calls in. Day of. Hour of. Yeah, literally. So he literally called in. As if leaving a message this minute.

He's probably doing a follow-up. Yeah, he is. Yeah. So let's go to his voice belt. Hey guys, Brian Scott, Horror Movie Fanboy here. Kills and Killers Best... My best favorite kill is... Where's the Corkscrew? It's always been my favorite ever since I was a kid, Friday 13th Part 4, when Kristen Glover gets a corkscrew to the hand, pinning his hand down to the kitchen counter, and then immediately a hatchet to the forehead.

Tom Savini effects. I just always loved this kill when I was a kid, and I love it to this day. And again, when I was a kid, an honorable mention would go to Tina's death in Elm Street 1. That thing was so brutal, and it really stuck with me when I watched it back on VHS. As far as a killer goes, I mean, it's gotta be Jason, hands down.

I mean, but that's an easy answer. Jason always will be my answer, but let me throw out somebody fun like Patrick Bateman. He's got a charm to him. He listens to 80s cassette tapes. and then lectures as victims about the importance of the music and how it shaped the 80s. And then he kills him. So weird and so cool.

Unknown caller, have fun recording. You called in 13 times on our Friday 13th episode. I did. That's dedication, man. So I'm calling in on this episode for you. Love ya, and please don't kill me. We love Ron. That will be the head above my mantle one day. Brian is killing it, man. He has sent me some pics recently of some Atari and some games he's got, dude. I'm so jealous. Love you, Brian. I still got my old Atari games. I gotta find them.

Jesus. And I'm telling you, though, you ever go to a wedding, just do that Crispin Glover dance? You will just ignite the dance floor. Absolutely. They'll be pointing at you, talking about you for weeks. Where's the corkscrew? Where's the corkscrew? I was chatting with Brian the other night. He usually texts me every night. He said, Bill, here's a picture of some of the things I've unearthed from my grandma's house or whatever it was.

And I'm like, thank God I don't collect anything because there's no way I could keep all this stuff. Are you collectors Dave you're dedicated That's right. I'm committed. He's in it to win it. Your DVD. That's right.

All right, so we're going to go now to our last call of the evening, unless something comes in between now and Tuesday, which... I've got to kill all these people, so get over with, man. I know, you've got a long list. We're going to go to Greg P. and Amy Lee. DJ Cumberbund Oh, I should probably put that in my ears so I can hear. What's the other chick, the other person?

When you say that, hello, it's either Lana or Richie or what's her name? Adele. Adele. That's what I think of. It's either one or the other. There's a row in between. That's true. You got your notes? I do. Are you ready? Yeah. Can you go sing hello? No. Alright, so this is your gruesome twosome coming to you for the Miller's episode. You are quite excited about this one because you like all the

serial killer stuff quite a bit i was excited about it like i usually i usually struggle with some topics but this one was like a no-brainer for me i have been oddly, probably scarily, serial killer obsessed since I was young. Oh, well, that's true. Um... As we've discussed in the past.

You know, you were living in Florida not too far from where Ted Bundy was apprehended. Yeah. And when it came to the college girls and that kind of thing. I was on the bus. I was on the school bus the morning he was executed. It was a Tuesday because the radio station we were listening to was chanting Tuesday as Friday for Bundy. That is stuck in my head my entire life because that was in the late 80s. Yeah, I guess so.

Yeah. Crazy shit, right? But I'll never forget that. Very much so. But I'm pretty sure that's what started my, like, session because I hadn't really thought about it before. I was in junior high, I guess, at the time. Yeah. I went home and... Research shit and just been fascinating. I did

Well, that's your little... That's my intro into why I... That's your intro intro. I guess mine would be, aside from your typical horror movie type things, my first introduction into... Serial killer stuff really was. Red Dragon. Thomas Harris. I was barely 20 when I discovered those books. all the people that I work with and we read those and then we read Signs of the Lambs and it really kind of set me on that same kind of fascination with it. what goes through the mind of

Someone that is a killer, just someone that, you know, sociopath, psychopath, whatever you want to say. A person that just kills for pleasure or fun. Oh, I have notes on all of that. I know. Because it comes down to, okay, so you've got several. aspects to this. You've got nature versus nurture. Right. So you've got your triad. Learn that way or did they socially learn what you're saying? Yes. But you've got your triad of what they believe most serial killers killing animals, bedwetting.

some form of abuse if you look through history of serial killers Almost all of them, or a very large majority of them, have most of those characteristics. Same traits. Interesting. Overall, Dexter, of course, would be my pick here. Yeah, I know. Since we have to choose, I guess. Right. Dexter would be mine. There's several reasons for that. Okay, go ahead. I did not say I like the concept of what he is, but...

Considering what he is, I would like to think that that's how someone would actually be, although history's proven it's not. They're just psychopaths to be psychopaths. I mean, there's no good part of those people. Although they hide it well, but Dexter has a He does have a good component, but his was nature and nurture. Right. I mean he was born into this watching his mother die and and sitting in her blood for days before his quote-unquote dad found him. Right. And then he taught him how to be

You know, noticing this, of course, in him, noticing these triad of things on him as a child. Wanted to hone that in so he would be a better serial killer, I guess, or only kill bad people. Well, and... in the Red Dragon book since we bumped that up. Will Graham is a profiler, and he gets in the mind of serial killers, and he's able to think like they think, and he has trouble with that. It bothers him, and so he has to... At times, take time off to decompress.

Well, criminal minds people are the same. Well, that's where a lot of that criminal minds, and we did love that show quite as well, that really... Mindhunters. Mindhunters, that's what it was. I love criminal minds. Criminal minds, yeah. Sorry. No, I can see, and they do talk about that quite often, the struggle of why is it that I can think like a serial killer. Right. It just makes them good at their job, but I don't know.

Well, just because you experienced or your childhood was similar to someone that was a killer like that doesn't mean you have to be one. No, that's where nurture comes in. Right, exactly. What else you got? I've always been fascinated with the brain of serial killers. Well, of everybody just because we do mri every day right like seeing the images of the brain fascinates me but even when i was a kid like worked at the old bundy thing like

The research, looking at the research on people, you know, they scan the brains of these killers. Right. A lot of them are, they have like less gray matter in their head. Interesting. So it takes more gray matter to process things. Processing Emotions and whatnot. Yeah, empathy.

behavioral control, even how to suppress a reaction. Like, anyway, all of those things are gray matter related. Right. Like, to me, I always think something's misfiring in their head, chemically misfiring in their head to make them this way. Right. Like I said, the MRIs show that a lot of them are basically almost atrophied in some areas of their brain. Interesting. And a lot of them had that abuse as a kid or accident.

Right. Well, that's where I was going to go. So there's some talk of head trauma causing some of these issues. Yep. If you hit your front a little hard enough, your personality is going to change anyway. Yeah. Sorry. The bit in my head actually came from a piece of wood. I'll not talk about that, but...

Um, it didn't change my personality. I guess I got lucky. On the top of your head, not frontal lobe. Well, yeah, but it's still a big dent. It is a large dent in your head. I'm glad I didn't turn you under a serial killer. I know, right. What else you got to say? Well, no, all of that. Happy Pace. I've been watching that show. Yes, you have. Which I didn't even bother you with because it's just kind of bleak and dark. And I guess most shows about a signal killer.

are going to fall into that but if y'all haven't seen it it's based on obviously the happy face killer from the night i believe it's the night news starring dennis quaid yeah dennis quaid's the killer and he played such a good role he's just scary and creepy and you know he's also almost likable and in some way for well to some people he has that characteristic of any cult leader

So Manson-esque is what you're saying? Yeah, because he has people on the outside that follow him. He's got this girlfriend that does things for him. Yeah, and we talked about that the other week. It's just fascinating to me how someone locked up behind bars, a known killer or an orchestrator of killing, has groupies.

you know it just tricked me out yeah but this one it's what's really scary is you know his daughter and the show is from his daughter's perspective you know she's grown up thinking that he's you know he loved her and he doted on her as a kid and all these things and he was um i think she was a teenager when he was arrested

But it took her until, you know, an adult to realize he's always been this person. Just like all the other serial killers, or a lot of the other serial killers, they hide that part. They can project some sense of normalcy at some level. And those are your...

better I guess serial killers that can do that the more intelligent versus like batshit crazy like wrong turn or you know in those types of movies well and i think once say like my favorite killer is going to be in movies it's going to be jason because he's just kills kills kills relentless he's iconic looking and but it's

to the point of disbelief. My favorite kill by him is where he takes the sheriff and breaks him backward. Okay? That's disbelief. You know what I mean? He's a supernatural being at this point. So, that is very different than, say, like, You know what, you've been watching a true serial killer. However...

You know, at some point I may watch the Happy Face thing, because I have listened to podcasts. It's just dark. Well, one of the podcasts I listened to was The Root of Evil, the true story of the Hodel family, and if you don't know who this is, this has to do with the Black Dahlia murder, where that happened in Hollywood, and it was the way she was displayed, what was done to her physically. essentially cut into and her face was made into a grotesque smile and no one quote quote

Lots of theories of what happened, but no one ever was arrested for this podcast. It's about his grandchildren. Basically, no for a fact, he was the serial killer George Hodel George Hodel was a physician he was a doctor for Los Angeles the county of Los Angeles he was one of their coroners he was a coroner but he was also He was well-liked in the community, but he had like a orchard dungeon and crap like that.

And he knew all these highfalutin people, so there were more people that knew about this. But that's where that intelligence level comes in. Exactly. Yeah, those people are scary as fuck. Right. Well, it is, and then you go that way, but then you can also go to, like, another podcast, In the Red Clay, you've got the Dixie Mafia, one of the main guys of that. He... Pretty much was a serum killer because he killed multiple people.

for various reasons usually because uh there was a chance that they might betray him or if he got tired of a woman that he was dating her that said i'm gonna tell what you've done next thing you know she's missing and people can't find her you know it's just the same thing

Yes, it's very Southern Sopranos. It's actually a very good podcast. Where would you even put like those types of people? You know, they're not crazy, but they're not. Oh, they got a present. I mean, category wise, like they're not. Nature versus nurture. Although I guess in the mob, that's what most of them did grow up seeing. True. I agree. Since it's familial. Obviously, it's the family business. Right. I don't know. You just got so many... subgenres, I guess, that, like, y'all say.

serial killers and i'm fascinated probably by all of them well now that i'm thinking about it um say like julia from your favorite movie hellraiser or one of your favorite movies you know she would do anything for a dream Yeah, but a dream, wasn't it her? What? Not Joy. Oh, she's the stepmom. She took the hammer to the guy so he'd get the skin off of them. No, she was gross. But that's why I'm saying she would do this for this man that came back as...

through a mattress. As much as I don't like gooey. She's batshit. That's what she falls under. You think so? I just think she's manipulated into that. She missed what she had with Frank. She was willing to kill for him and bring him back to have all of him. She's different than other women serial killers because women serial killers are usually not violent they don't want to poison people yes you get poisoned and there was a lot of them drowning like things that just wouldn't leave a huge mess

That's sad. Even in that aspect, we still think about... That's true. Do I have to clean up that shit? That's right. It's going to be messy, so heck no. You got any more? No, I don't think so. You know, Mistral, we could have this conversation forever and go into 9 billion rabbit holes of these things.

I missed out on. I wanted to talk about Julie Benz being in Dexter. She was the girlfriend, but... She was also Darla and Buffy the Vampire Slayer, so she was a killer of her own. Right. And then another book that I loved, Doom Toon's Intensity, which is about a serial killer and about a girl who's, essentially, she was a child with her mother and her mother's boyfriend.

were very similar to, like, the Firefly family. That's what she grew up with. And then they were basically, you know, killers in this book. She sees this little girl that reminds her of her, and she realizes this. Guy has abducted her, and so she tries to get this little girl back. You know, she just has this determination, and it's because of her own childhood. What she doesn't realize is that she's wandering into the lair of a serial killer. And it's an excellent book if you've never read it.

If you can get it on audio, I'm sure you can, but I've read it. two or three times and it will make your heart race. It's that good. Sounds interesting. I don't know. A little different than what we normally talk about with movies and stuff. I know. I thought that would be a better thing anyway. I think we've been all over the place with this. But at least it was all serial killer related. It was all serial killer. Yeah.

Statistically, it's like, what, 80-some serial killers walking around in the U.S., like, just randomly. Including the unknown caller. He is the guest of honor. I'm not talking about where we live anymore for that reason. Well, he will protect us. That's true.

Unless you have cheese. That's right. So if you're a serial killer, she'll go to our house with cheese and she will let you right in. She'll just let you right in. It's scary. You don't bark at your fur. She sounds like she's going to eat your face. No, it's just that frightens me, though. Like, how many... How many people have you walked past in your lifetime? That's true. How many times have you walked by someone that has actually taken a life? Right. Or multiple lives, for that matter.

Creepy. But you know, I think a lot of times you get a sixth sense of those things. You know, it's like, yeah, I'm going to go this way. Oh, I get that. You're right. Do you remember when we were in Austin and Nick wouldn't go near? Oh, yeah. That was that. I don't know, there was a person there, and boy, she had her hackles up the entire time. Yeah, my dog that passed, she would not let that man out of his doorway. Nope.

She, and this was the most docile animal you've ever. She knew some dogs have a sixth sense. She barked like crazy, every piece of fur on her body standing up and would not let, he's yelling at me, which just made her. Worse. I'm like, I would suggest you go back into your house until we leave. Anyway. But, yeah. She was a great dog. And she loved everybody. So that's her trip.

Alright. Well, I guess that's what we should just end this now. Before we ramble forever. I'm sorry. Alright. Night, guys. Night, babe. So, good night, guys. Good night. Yeah, my God, stop doing this one. I'm tired. Oh, that was funny, though. That is kind of funny. Good Lord.

Alrighty, there we go. Greg P and Amy Lee. Cool song, man. I love the mix of Dragula. I thought that was actually really cool, man. Yes, that was great. That's a clever mix. That was great. And the knowledge that Amy has. Amy has some great knowledge of actual serial killers. I think she might be a good partner. I was going to say, it's disturbing.

It was interesting that Amy got into... brain injury and change personalities and things and it made me remind me of athletes with CTE who it's the disease they can get or the I guess the condition you get if you get your head banged too many times right and like multiple concussions and then I started thinking about serial killers and then I started thinking about Aaron Hernandez

ah wow the new england patriot tight end that was all world but was all wacko and that kind of thing the other thing they started talking about i know greg started talking about My favorite all-time book and that would count in this killer movie is In Cold Blood by Truman Capote.

And I'm assuming, Greg P., that you have read that book. But if you haven't, I cannot recommend that book enough. And I haven't read the book, but the movie. Robert Blake. Robert Blake. as as the killer and it's it's it's amazing the clutter is out on their farmhouse out in rural kansas yeah any and this is for anybody listening you know once you're above the age of 17 or so and you want to watch

You know, like the big thing on podcasts now is true crime and that kind of stuff. And before that, when I was a kid, it was A&E would have every true crime out there. read In Cold Blood and watch the movie. I was a sophomore in high school and my teacher had us read that sophomore year. High school. Like 15 or 16. Wow. Yeah, think about that. That explains a lot about you. It does. It really does. But it was very well written. Very well.

Well, there you go. That is the calls for tonight. And that's pretty much the episode, except we're going to give out our honorable mentions and stuff as we do our outros. And we still have another hour. ish of justin beam and myself talking about horror and killers and just all kinds of killer movies and moments and stuff so uh stay tuned for that as well so you'll hear us do our outros you'll probably even hear the indie music

But hang on, because you've still got Justin Beam and myself. So with that said, I think we'll go ahead and do this. Let's go to Dave again and find out what the next episode, once again, of LOTC will be. And then we'll start passing around.

Alright, just a reminder, next episode is number 429. It is our top five of 1994 with special guest, assuming she survives to that point after this episode, Miss Victoria Chambers. I'll let her pass. Okay, yeah, we're looking for the next episode, so... I'm gonna be looking for headlines for House Fire. I can write that down. Cool. That is the next episode. 1-8-0-4-5-6-9-5-6-8-2. You got now in a week or two to get your calls in. So let us know what your top fives are.

Well, that said, let's go ahead and do our outros. And what we'll do during our outros is give you your chance to do your honorable mentions as well. So I think without further ado, we'll head over to the UC.

Our special guest tonight, Unknown Collar, you have been freaking tremendous. It's been a blast. I won't say we've gotten to know you because you're still mysterious, but we have definitely gotten to be able to hear from you. I am more than willing to do a meetup with everyone. I don't know how it would last. There is that movie, What the Last Met in May. I think it'd kind of go like that. Fair enough, yeah. Be careful, I like eyeballs. But yeah, no.

So I'm not really on social media or anything like that, but I am working on a graphic novel. I'll let you guys know when I get closer to finishing it. Nice. I am a cartoonist on the side. Nice. um besides working for the government but uh yeah so uh I don't really have any more honorable mentions as far as everybody pretty much mentioned everything, but I would say just to titillate Bill a little bit, I do think the Song of Solomon from 2017 is worth watching.

It is an American guinea pig movie. It is spiritual and satanic, but the practical effects and the kills in that movie are just astonishing. I think it's on YouTube, actually. It might be. Yeah, it could be. Yeah, I'll have to look it up. YouTube or Tubi. Tubi has Sacrifice, I know. Yeah, it has Sacrifice. But yeah, I can't remember where I watched it. But it's worth a watch if you really like more. And the kills are great.

and you know i i have totally i used to hate the saw movies i totally changed on them i think they're brilliant um and so i always recommend those uh but yeah looking forward to more stuff and you know in a violent nature just give it a try if you like video games please just watch it it's worth that And what was that movie a few years ago where it was a man and a woman trapped in a house? and everybody's trying to come in and kill them.

I think it had violent in the title as well. Not in a violent nature. No, not in a violent nature. You guys know what I'm talking about? They tied the one guy up and they start torturing him. I can't remember the name of it. Maybe when I call in next episode, I'll mention it. it was a great movie but yeah no no uh just

Thank you for all the shout outs. I love all you guys. I've had a very hard year. Someone mentioned April 29th. That would have been my 30th wedding anniversary, which sadly is no more. so just letting you guys all know don't mean to be a downer but uh i am entering my second life and that second life will just be more killing so there we go i didn't kill her okay I was going to say, if you put UC in a dating profile, it will mean something entirely different. Let's see their stairs.

What would that be? Would that be Ripper? I'd have to look for the app for that. I don't know. I don't know. God knows if I'd be single now, I'd be single the rest of my life. Gotta be someplace out there for serial killers to connect. I'm not going on the dark web. All right. I was going to say it's a message board on the dark web. All right. Thank you guys so much.

No problem. Sorry for being later. I would have tried to jump ahead of them. We'll talk more. I'll get your number. Oh, okay. But you know what? I don't know if you can get across the border. I'm not worried about that right now. Hey, I got the Star license, so I should be okay. There you go.

Well, that's the UC. We love having you on, brother. We'll see you on the flip side soon for sure. Thank you. And hang in there, buddy, because now you've got nothing to stand in your way from doing what you want to do, buddy. That's right. And now that you've been on once, you know the secret handshake, so you're all good. I do. I do. I didn't realize

so much penis was involved, but that's fine. Hey, hey. You know, it is what it is. We have not been the same podcast since we reviewed The Greasy Strangler. That's right. Thanks a lot. Over there, Greg Bent.

All right, Dot, what you got for some honorable mentions? All right, well, first off, thank you very much, Unknown Caller, for joining us. This was a blast. I had a lot of fun, and I look forward to having you on again. Some of them, you know, some of them are obvious ones here, and I hate to, like, because I have a whole list here, and I'm going to probably skip some of the obvious ones to leave them for others.

Um, so I'm going to go to ones that I think there are no others. Okay. Well, other, other honorable mention lists. Okay. All right. Yeah. Alright, so I'll go to some of the ones that maybe are a little more obscure. uh the i can smell my friend cooking from the green inferno how that one ends with that one i can smell my friend cooking

You mentioned the death of Gage, you know, running out into the street from Pet Sematary. I'm going to go with the second death of Gage with No Fair, No Fair. Ah, such a fun one. I mean, not fun, but you know what I mean. Yeah. The father on fire in the remake of The Hills Have Eyes. That's a pretty brutal one. A little one I call The Little Girl Takes a Dive from 1931's Frankenstein. That was on my list. I forgot about that. Oh, yeah. The office invasion from the end of Cabin in the Woods.

That one was a blast. When they're let out of their little cubes and head into the office. The entire sequence with the country western band and the devil's reject It's pretty intense. What I'm going to call the biggest oh shit moment. Samuel L. Jackson in Deep Blue Sea. Because you just don't see that coming. I'm gonna go outside of horror. I got a few here that are outside of horror real quick The feral boys boomerang toss from the Road Warrior

I call this one, I'm on the toilet. It's the T-Rex kill of the blood-sucking lawyer in Jurassic Park. Good one. And now this is a two-parter. Harrison Ford has had enough part one shooting the swordsman in Raiders of the Lost Ark. After he shows off his skills and he just pulls out his gun and shoots him he's like okay enough of that.

Harrison Ford has had enough part two. Executing Greedo. Fuck you, George Lucas. I was there in 1977. I remember he executed Greedo. Greedo never saw it coming. Change it all you want. He fucking executed him. And the final one, the kill that got the biggest cheer in, I'm assuming, the biggest cheer in the theater, Franklin in the Woods in the Texas Chainsaw Massacre. I cheered.

Not annoying at all. He's not annoying at all. So those are my honorable mentions. And again, always a blast. DVDinfatuation.com I am... a few days away from my review number 3000 posting As a matter of fact, it's going to post the day after this episode posts.

So that's another milestone over there for me. And of course, twitter at or x i guess now at dvd infatuation over on facebook please join the land of the creeps group if you have not done so yet it's so much fun and a great community over there And other podcasts, of course, Jay the Dead's new horror movies with Greg and a plethora of other hosts. the weekly watch list that Jay and Mac and I are doing where we just get together and talk about what we happen to be watching.

That's on Considering the Cinema, also the DVD Infatuation Podcast. I have one more segment to record before we release the next in my series of my top favorite movies. talking about them and then i know bill you and i are gonna have to record one soon i gotta get with jay on that one just just ask jay when he can slip me in yep absolutely I think that's it. I think that's all for me. And again, thank you for joining us on No Caller. This has been a blast.

Hey, real quick. You know, I think I mentioned it before. Jay's the person who got me into all these podcasts. I love Jay so much. Oh, he's great. And I hope he's great. i i will need his information to contact him one more kill that i thought about was the um the bar scene in near dark with the spurs oh god yeah oh yeah boy the the minute they walk into that bar you know everyone is screwed oh yeah I love the Tom Savini pecker.

Yeah, you know that's a good one now the other the other bar scene I like is in feast Another one where a child dies early. Alrighty. Well, good day. We love you, buddy. Check out all these spots that Dave's on for sure. And let's head over to the Twisted Temptress.

Pearl what you got for your honorable mentions and I'll Well, my honorable vengeance, whether you're pushed to insanity, going through trauma, went insane, got triggers provoked to be a killer, or revengeful, or you're just mentally disturbed, I say... My list is Miss 45, Orphan, Coastland. Sleepaway Camp, Hand of Rocks the Cradle, Even Fatal Attraction, Mother's Day, House of a Thousand Corpses where a whole family of Deviants

kill good and even invent a merman. And last but not least, which I'm surprised Unknown Caller you did not mention since we talked about this. But the house that Jack built. Yes, yeah, I was going to try and watch it again. I watched it when it came out. But yeah, that whole ending scene is something else. That entire movie is great. That entire movie is great. As for my outros, everyone knows where to find me in the main LTC group page and anywhere Greg Amortis is at.

She's there, and I love it. Wouldn't have it any other way. Love her. It's a great list there, Pearl, for sure.

All right, well, let's head over to Bill the Butcher. what you got for uh outros and uh honorable mentions as i said it's great to have unknown caller finally in and uh now that he knows where the back door is he can sneak in anytime he wants but he better damn well announce his presence Uh, okay. Uh, ones that are... I left on the table. I had so many. Uh, the movie Prophecy has a really cool sleeping bag kill. It picks up a kid and throws him in his sleeping bag.

Friday the 13th Part 2, where there's a spear through the two lovers. And that's essentially a take on a very similar kill from 1971's A Bay of Blood, where two people are basically messing around and they get a spear right through them. The one I almost went with was Quint and Jaws. God. the pool death scene at the end of house at the edge of the park one of the most satisfying deaths you're ever gonna find in a movie

The head chop off of Mr. Radisi in Cannibal Ferox. I love when his head flies off. One I was going to put, I can only put so many on that were ones that you can't see, but the burning ending of the burning bed where Paul Lematt gets killed and Tara Fawcett takes off. You didn't see it, but you know damn well what's happening.

Japanese guinea pig part 2, flower of fresh and bud. Basically, he just chops her apart piece by piece. This warrior. I love that movie. I don't care what you say. I love that movie. I love the guinea pig movies. I'm on your side, sir. Awesome. Awesome. We've got to join a cult. The movie Seed, not a good movie, but there's one scene where a woman's sitting on a chair, and the killer hammers her in the forehead to death, and eventually her entire skull just becomes mush.

Really good scene. That's the one scene from that movie I remember. Yeah, the rest of the movie's... uh david warner's death in the omen where his head goes flying that that was one of the ones that was leaving open yeah yeah that was one i had here yeah that's decapitation yeah yeah i mean it's It's not, compared to today's standards, the effect isn't great, but I can imagine in 1973 or whatever it was, it was fantastic.

Greg, here's my Dario Argento. I put down the opening death in the bird with the crystal plume. Because that death sucked you into the story. And so I thought that you get that voyeuristic point of view. I really like that. In the movie Cube, right at the beginning, one guy gets sliced.

And about 14 different pieces. That's the one I remember from that movie too. And that's a good movie. That has a lot of memorable scenes in it. Because I really do like that one. But that is an amazing scene. The exploding head and scanner. That was another one I had that I was leaving open. I figured you would have that one being a Cronenberg film. Cronenberg one. And Saw X.

There's a scene where you have to drain a certain amount of blood out of your body to survive the trap of John Kramer. And he has a whole... uh system of measuring how much blood you have oh it's fantastic uh the beyond i'll just leave it as the beyond the the nuclear waste guy in robocop Don't touch me, man! Hey, how about the drop your gun?

And the guy drops it, you have five seconds to comply. That's another amazing scene from Robocop. Have you guys watched the four-hour documentary on Prime about Robocop? You have to watch. It's broken up into four episodes. It is so worth watching. They brought everybody back to talk about it. It's fantastic. I also put down my best non-horror death scenes. The shower scene in Scarface.

Fantastic. Wow. And Gene Hackman in the Poseidon Adventure when he decides just to drop. Yep. That one affected me for a long time. Yeah, that was because he's one of the ones you expect to make. Yeah. And the last thing I put was coolest killing method. The hawk and Bay of Blood. What a great scene with the hawk. The gremlin microwave death scene. Makes me laugh every time. The Hellraiser where the face gets torn apart. The barrel roll in 2000 Maniac.

And the toilet melt in street trash. Oh, boy. Oh, I also mentioned teeth. Don't talk about that movie. Every single guy listening crossed their legs. So this was a heck of a lot of fun. Again, I basically wrote this out. After a long day yesterday was just scribbling them down on the couch and like it was just flowing out I could have gone

Like, I don't know, did anybody mention the Johnny Depp death in Nightmare on Elm Street? I did, I did briefly. You know, it's good that you were here so early for the show that, you know, we could have talked a little bit more. Yeah, real quick though, I forgot, the other pool scene that's really cool is the second Strangers, that pool scene. Yes, that is a good one. Yeah, that's a really good one.

And so, we come to an end of the episode. I was going to say thanks for The Unknown Caller. It's been a blast. Thanks for everybody. And if you haven't listened to music, movies, sports, and stuff podcast, check her out. And I've got a few that I'm going to release to the audiences that are not from there, from other podcasts.

Everybody, I know, and Southern Ontario on May the 6th, or what is today, May the 9th, we had a frost warning. So I don't want anybody complaining about, oh, it's a little windy out. May 9th, I've got fucking frost. Okay, so that's why I'm a little pissed. You'd think that's bad. It was only 58 here today. Oh, 58. Did Jax have to wear a jacket? Well, no, but...

Alrighty, so everybody, you know, let's enjoy the nice weather that will be coming, I'm hoping. It's a great time of year for sports fans. There's so much going on. Let's enjoy each other. Let's use our heads. Let's be good, people. Let's keep horror alive. Elbows up. I just want to throw in there real quick, like, thank you again, Unknown Caller, for joining us, and you know you will be back again. So, yeah. Bye.

Oh, and happy Mother's Day to all the moms out there. Yeah, happy Mother's Day, Mom. If anybody wants, I do live in Florida and I will be at Halloween Horror Nights sometime in the fall. So if you want to meet up, let Pearl know and she can let me know and that'd be great. There you go.

You can meet the Unknown Caller if you want to. I just got to throw a few out. I didn't hear anybody say your next Blender scene in 2011. in the head shot which is great um 2021 spare street 1994 the bread uh oh yeah the bread slicer to the head i thought was great uh terrifier i thought you were gonna say when they were underneath

underneath the toilet. You can name probably about three or four really good ones in that one. I like that kid too. I didn't want him to die so quick. Terrifier 2, the bedroom scene, Allie's bedroom scene. horrendously great uh of course the alien chest burst scene i love liquidation uh the jason x face smash is always great and i don't know if anybody said the ice splinter scene from zombie 2 is obvious but uh but there you go so there's there's a few kills and my favorite all-time kill of any

Horror movie will always be Friday 13th Part 3. The body split with the headstand. I had that one on here, too. I figured I'd leave that one for you. That will forever be my number one kill of any movie. Wasn't there a really great kill in that Kiss movie? Yeah. Kiss big family. I think they killed dialogue. The whole audience died. You know what they killed? My fucking brain cells. So that said, unknown caller, it's great having you on. And as Pearl mentioned, you will be on again.

thank you listeners stay tuned right after this once again you will hear uh in i mean uh justin beam and i you'll definitely want to stay tuned for that i do as we mentioned in i do want to let you know that Black Glove Mysteries has now gone video so not only will you hear us on audio form as you're hearing us now but if you go over to my YouTube channel which is the easiest way to go

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Yo, what's up peeps in LOTC world? We're super excited. I have with us tonight who we got.

Justin, MNF, and Beam. That's right, Justin Beam live with us. What's up, JB? I didn't know who you were pointing to. I'm in the room now. I can just see how Greg directs this, which is about as good as he gives tours of the town that he lives

which is an absolute absolute abomination talk about how we do that we drive around and greg will talk about something that he wants me to be aware of and he'll point out the window and he'll say oh that house back there two blocks ago that was a house where I don't know, Burt Reynolds once got an enema or something. But we're already like two blocks beyond it. And that's how the whole thing is. Or he'll be like, hey, about two miles beyond these houses here is the ocean. Yeah.

So all I'm seeing is road and houses and businesses. And then Greg's like, but just take my word for it. If you were to sprout wings and fly, you go two miles that way. And then you can see the ocean. So that's what it's been like, people. It's totally there. I promise you, it's there. No, it has been really great, in all honesty. It has been amazing. This is day three of us. Day three.

And I showed up on Friday afternoon, morning, late morning, and we've been at it since. And I've been getting the grand tour. We've gone to so many fun places, done all kinds of great stuff. Watched hockey.

We did watch Montreal win in a very exciting game that happened the other night. That was totally awesome. Went to an amazing restaurant. There's an Edgar Allan Poe themed restaurant here that Greg and Pearl were unaware of which is amazing to me but I'm so glad that Pearl found that And then they're like, oh, we're going someplace special. What could it be? It's a restaurant. And then we turn the corner and I'm like, what? Yeah, yeah.

And the funny thing was because everything had been kind of epically me pointing, like you said, two blocks back. So for me to say we're going somewhere special to you is probably like we're going to McDonald's.

yeah yeah i had no expectations by that point well no we had tried to go to the bridge i've been i've been talking to you for years about getting out here and the one film location that I've pointed to the entire time is wanting to go to the bridge where he shoots the fireworks off in Silver Bullet. And you're like, man, it's so epic. It's so beautiful when you go out there and you get to stand and blah, blah, blah. I'm like, oh, I can't wait. We get there. And what happened, Greg?

no bridge bridge is gone bridge is like gone it's like the invisible man gone yeah yeah so we epic fail but we the little gazebo where they find the bloody kite and all that we got to see that and with a homeless man living in it that's true and there was we got to see a gator on a log that was exciting i really wanted to see some alligators and i got to see one so that was amazing and then but we did redeem yes things on the bridge front

Yes, for Maximum Overdrive. Which is another thing that I wanted to see out here was the opening of Maximum Overdrive, which absolutely mortified me as a child. is when the bridge goes up and all the cars fall back and the watermelons are rolling and ACDC's dying and whatever else. I love that shot. And Greg's like, we'll go check out the bridge. And we turn the corner to go see the bridge and he's like, well, you can take pictures as we drive over it.

well we get there and the stop arm goes down yes and i'm like wait a minute is this happening and then And Greg, you informed me of what? What did you inform us of? I have lived here since 2011. I have never been where that bridge has been opened. Ever. Ever. First time. Amazing timing. Yes. And then, so we're like, okay, a boat must be coming through.

and we're sitting there we're looking around like there's nothing there's nothing coming through and then we look off to the left and we see this mast like a like a sailboat mast and it's moving at I a glacial pace toward the bridge The bridge opens all the way. I'm hopping out of the car like an idiot tourist.

In the middle of the road these people behind must have thought I was nuts. I got out twice because I got pictures early on because I was so excited but then it kept going up and I'm like well that looks even cooler so I hop out again. And then get back in the car. And then anyway, we ended up repositioning ourselves a bit, which was perfect. Got some great shots. But then we got to watch this sailboat mass. Not the boat. We couldn't see that. Just the mass.

poking up and slowly making its way under the bridge as we're just laughing our asses off. And Greg had, of all fucking albums, playing at the time was the elder by kiss which is their grand sweeping adventure concept thing and this song's like it's like this really dramatic almost like cinematic adventure music as we're watching a mast move at like half a mile an hour yes underneath this bridge but it was that was really cool getting a chance to see that and knowing it was the first time

That you had encountered it. I loved it. We both saw it for the first time together. And it was going at the zombie 2 eye gouge pace. Like that whole. Oh yeah. It felt that moment. Like you keep seeing it gradually going. You're like it's going to happen. It's going to happen. And then you keep going.

And at a certain point, I just wanted to impale my own eye out. Yeah. I was ready to jump up there and just commit suicide and slam that thing through my skull. Somebody, please shut this gate. Please. The door's shut. Come on, Brent. Stop. We're done. That was really cool. And then we, I mean, it's really been a lot of, great scenes uh we got to visit some filming locations i got to see the courthouse from matlock which was exciting we went to an oddities museum which was all right we

Was that alright? It was alright. Okay, it was alright. I'm not going to promote it. Well, I will. It's the audit. What was it called? The Museum of Bazaar or something like that. Don't waste your money. No $3 worth. And then...

I mean, the Poe restaurant was incredible, too. Like I said, the great... Oh, so we didn't really talk about that, though. So this Edgar Allen Poe restaurant, it's got him everywhere.

we get there i go in the bathroom to wash my hands and i look at the walls are covered with pages of poe writing and they lacquered over them and then over the sound in the bathroom on this loop it's people reading his stories which was really really cool the main restaurant had just regular pop music playing but in the bathrooms it was actually a genuinely cool experience going in there

And the staff was great, the food was good, and everything. I was just sitting there in awe, looking around, all kinds of art and postcards and letters and whatever else scattered about. I was in heaven. I was like a kid the whole time. Yeah, I felt super excited because we'd never seen it. Pearl had found it Thursday or Friday before you got here, like the day before or the day of. So we look it up, like, okay, we'll try it. We don't know.

But seeing your eyes when you came out of the bathroom in this business, I'm like, Well, I got to go now. So, like, I literally get up. I'm like, okay, I'm going to go in the bathroom. I didn't want to come out. I even told you guys, like, I would go in and take my plate and eat in there and just listen to the reading. That's disgusting. That is disgusting. Don't do that. And then Pearl went up and went. She had to check out the ladies' room.

And then we come back and reconvene and we all had a delightful lunch there. And then we went to the beach, two different beaches, which was so cool. Wandering around, way overdressed. I'm there in like black pants, black boots. and everybody else is in flip-flops or barefoot swim trunks and everything and I'm like this Angel of Death swooping down on the beach. wandering around, but it was wonderful.

It was wonderful. We even got to see the girl, woman, whatever, trying to, I don't know what she was doing. I didn't think you were going to talk about her, Greg, because that's disgusting. It's disgusting. I don't know what she was doing in the ocean. Greg's theory, there was a girl standing in the water, and she kept fiddling with the back of her swimsuit. Not a girl, she was like a woman.

She was leaning over sometimes. It looked like she was trying to wash her anus or something. That's exactly what it looked like. In Greg's theory, she took a dump, and then she was trying to weasel it out of her swim trunk. before she left to get back in her car. And eventually she did. She and her friends left.

They made a quick retreat after that. So maybe Greg was right. I think I was right. I literally, I was waiting to see if the pool would turn water, would turn blue. Like if the ocean water would turn that. That's not how it works, Greg. It's the ocean. Everything shits in the ocean. The ocean is the earth. toilet. It's fucking disgusting.

And people go in there with their eyes open or they fucking drink. And in movies, they kiss underwater. There's sometimes where they hook up and have sex. That's my biggest problem. I talk about this too much on different shows. that I'm on where we'll watch a movie and there's going to inevitably be some scene where there's a couple who's in a lake

some stagnant, filthy, vermin-filled water. Yes. Or like a river where there's gar and whatever other horrifying things. Yeah. And they get in there and they're all making out and the guy's wanting to... That is a guaranteed UTI at best. Yeah. Yes. Parasites. At worst, something can end up up your urethra. Yes.

It's just disgusting. So anyway. And while that's even sexy, why would it be sexy to be in that filth to think, oh, I'm going to make out and get lucky tonight? I don't know. Nothing screams. We need to ask. horror screenwriters who have done this. when you look at Madman and that hot tub scene, there's countless hot tub scenes where people get it on in movies. I mean, Jim Wynorski has

Three hot tub scenes in every movie that he makes. But there's always people, and that stuff isn't cleaned. It's not like it's a filtration system that's the same as a pool, so... Dead skin cells. You got oily surface skimming. You have to skim it like milk, like old milk off the top of the surface. That's no way to share your love with your loved ones. No, no, no.

Yeah, do it in the... Don't do it there. I really hope you keep all this in. I'm sure this is delightful for people to listen to. Everybody's loving this, I'm right. But this is cool, so... We've had a good trip. This is the day of the departure, unfortunately, but we've been told Justin he can't leave, so that's what it is. He don't know it yet. I may not survive the day, guys. They're not saying why I won't be able to leave. They just keep saying it, so there's a part of me that's...

kind of certain they're just going to take me and throw me into the alligator lake. We've gone back to this lake where I saw the alligator on the log a couple times because I'm obsessed with seeing more alligators. In Iowa, we don't have alligators. We just have hillbillies and so We even went at night last night, which was a genuinely haunting experience driving around looking at this creepy park with a lake in the middle of it. Didn't see any more gators that we're aware of, but...

Anyway. We might drive by there before we take you to the airport. One more shot. If you're going to the airport, we might drive you by around. Yeah, to the point, if I live beyond today. Well, we're on recording saying that you're not leaving. Yeah. So I guess technically, if you don't make it there, then... Maybe we didn't let you leave.

And you would never release this. So this is for show for me to make me feel comfortable before I leave. Like we're having a connective moment. It's a facade. And you're just going to stuff me in a trunk and drive me into a lake. It's the fact that the unknown caller is on here and he's probably upset right now. Knowing that he's not part of this or it

We wouldn't know, because we don't know what he looks like. Maybe he is here. He might be! The unknown caller could fucking be Pearl. It's probably Pearl. She's the only one that knows him. We don't know. Pearl! Are you the unknown caller? Maybe I'm not going anywhere after Sunday. I don't know. This might be it.

JB, this might be it, brother. It has. It's been a great journey, brother. It has. If my plane goes down, this was a great way to go before I die because this was a really fun trip and it's long overdue greg and i have been talking forever about getting together guys and just we have we can't make it happen he is he's busy

this beautiful marriage that these two have they're always out doing stuff and doing the show for you guys and i'm out just living an insane thing and so i'm so thrilled and i have to say i hope you don't mind me saying this bro

that this is Pearl's doing. Pearl reached out to me a while back and said, hey, We need to get you out here. You and Greg need to be together. You need to see each other. And she made it all happen. So this is 100% Pearl. All on you, babe. And they've been the best hosts in the world. It's been absolutely incredible. So awesome. JVS has been like literally the highlight forever. So we're super excited, man. We've had a good trip.

We watched hockey. We did all the things that Justin's mentioned. We watched some wrestling. We watched some wrestling.

I can never watch, I will never be able to watch 1985 Starcade again in the same manner that I've ever watched it before because Justin has I had picked up on something that I had never seen, and I've watched this pay-per-view many times. I ruined it. But during the main event of this event is Ric Flair versus Dusty Rhodes. And it become the man. Watching the match and you're quickly in the match Justin his his ears are parking

And you found something out that instantly you said. And I'm like, what are you talking about? And then I started, I could not not hear it no more. There's a guy somewhere near one of the live mics. So I think it must be the announce table or something. And the whole time the match is happening.

And you need to go back and watch the whole show again to see if he's doing it throughout the whole show. Because he might be doing it T2B. Top to bottom. And anyway, during the match between Dusty and Rick, he's Just the whole time going WOOOOO Woo! Woo! Woo! Woo! Woo! It's like an owl on Adderall. And it's right near someone's fucking mic. I mean, it's incessant. And then it goes away for a little bit.

And then you forget about it. Then it comes back and then we start laughing again. We were laughing that whole match. It was great. Do you think it was Tony Schiavone because he would get quiet for long periods of time? No, they were just terrible commentators. They would forget to talk during matches. They only talk about a quarter of the entire show, and that's a long show. Yeah.

I was kind of amazed by that. But I think it must have just been someone in the crowd who happens to have that seat that's just right at the angle they needed to be at to get right to that mic. Where were they? Because I don't even recall exactly where they were in... in the scope of where the ring was because they had like a barrier and then the barrier there was like a

You know, there was like two or three rows of emptiness before seats. Yeah, there was definitely some room there. I don't know that we ever saw where they were. We saw the timekeeper guys who were right up against the ring that ring the bell.

and all that stuff they were there right up against it on this little table so who knows i don't know in a gorilla position i wonder if they were up somewhere like maybe that's probably what it was so i don't know but we gotta but now we gotta woo now now woo guy is part of the

Part of our lexicon. You guys need to check this pay-per-view out and see. 1985, Starcade, The Gathering. Epic. This is the greatest pay-per-view ever. That's what it said on the front of it. They were advertising to be the largest You know, because it was way better than the original WrestleMania, correct, to then. That was like, this is the biggest thing that's ever happened. It was the WrestleMania, and so...

There you go, right? Cool. So we got Unknown Caller on here tonight as, well, not on here, but I'm sure Unknown Caller is on this episode right now. But it's Justin and I and Pearl over here. So we're talking on this episode, I'm assuming we're talking about killers. Well, you wanted to relate it to the theme of the show. Right. And this show apparently has a theme about different killers. I think the theme is killers.

And killer scenes. But Justin and I popped in our heads. We were trying to figure out what we were talking about. Your head was your brilliant idea. So if this shit goes south, it's my fault. This is completely my fucking fault. I'm taking it all. So I thought, how about we look at misunderstood monsters or killers, right? And which one is the first one we've mentioned? Which one is the first one that comes to mind?

The very first one you thought of was Frankenstein monster, which I think is great. I think he's the most misunderstood, right? Like, he is Did he kill? Sure. But did he kill out of necessity? Did he kill out of meanness? What caused him to kill? Well, he was forced to be what he was. It had nothing to do with his own will. And he's the part of all these different people. So really it's a lot of people being forced into re-existing again after death.

which is something that I don't know people would ultimately want. And so it is against his will that he's this thing and that he looks the way he does, that he can't, you can't do anything about your face. I mean, like as a person, you can't. Your body is your body. Your face is your face. And if you have money, you can do some things about it. But most of us, you got what you got. And so we all can relate to a certain extent with this.

Just the fact that he is coming into awareness in that story. of what people perceive him to be. That doesn't mean that's what he is. People call him a monster. Is he a monster? No, he's just a thing. He's a person, ultimately, that just looks different. And so different equals monstrous. And this is a thread.

That runs through most of the universal monster films. I've always pointed to the creature from the Black Lagoon trio of movies. I think it's the perfect three-part arc. Greg's looking at his Blu-ray set right now. But those three creature films are the perfect story where man enters this creature's kingdom. Man injures the creature.

The second one, they go back into the animal's environment, pull him out of it, put him on display, try to make money and exploit him, and then he has to wreak havoc and get the hell out of there. So he escapes again in the third one. They literally burn him. Right. And his gills, burn his gills off. And luckily, by some stroke, they find that he can breathe air, which is great. Little secret. And then he ends up caged.

by man living and he gets stuck in the middle of this stupid love triangle thing and and at the end the creature makes the decision that so few creatures do in these kinds of movies where he decides he's he's ready to die and the entire all three movies end with him choosing to walk into the ocean knowing that he's going to be dying when he does that so another example of something that didn't want to be

a monster, a problem in the way, destructive. He was just living his life in his beautiful again. Yeah, and that's something interesting. We don't talk about creature much. Which we should, Black Lagoon. But that is such a beautiful story of us going into their universe, right? We're going into, it's no different than Bruce the Shark, right? If they would have stayed out of the shark.

what would have happened right yeah although he was a killer shark and he's great white and he's eating people but still yeah but it's not like he's getting on land and dressing up as a salesman and knock on your door and trick you like in Saturday Night Live I mean it's just

You enter the environment that happens. It's like last night. We could have gone into that lake in the middle of the night when it was completely dark and seen what happened. But we knew we probably shouldn't. And as a result, we're all sitting here today. And I may be hours from death.

So that very well may be the case today, but that's not going to be because of an alligator. And that's the point of what I'm saying here. This is true. So I think we look and perceive at killers as being something that can be... either manufactured, they could be a facade, as we've seen with Frankenstein the monster, their true monster was Frankenstein the doctor, correct?

So that's your true monster. It depends on your perspective. But yeah, the general note of that movie is that you play God, you're going to pay a price. That's right. You're fucking with forces you cannot control. And you shouldn't be messed up. Or then we look at the Invisible Man. Now, how would you label the Invisible Man? Just boring. I don't like those movies. But I would also look at the Wolfman. He was afflicted.

with what turned him into what they called monstrous. And then he... heartbroken about him and you look at frankenstein meets wolf man He's just trying to die. He doesn't want to find... He presumes there's not going to be a cure. He wants to find Dr. Frankenstein because he heard he might either be able to cure him or kill him. And by the time he gets there, he's just resigned to the fact that he wants to go. And this is what we do with people who we've

society and humanity. We do this with things and animals and people we think are different. We cast them away. And I think it's just one of the most grotesque aspects of humanity. Freak. We call them freaks. They're just people. So the moral of that story is if you see Frankenstein the monster walking beside you, he's not a freak.

He's not a monster. We call it a monster. We call it a monster, but he's not a monster. So the next time you see Frankie the monster walk by, you know that he's not the killer.

That's right. He's not. They came at him with torches. And in horror, you think about, I think, in many cases, there is an element of sympathy that makes sense in relation to those that become the killers in films. There's a lot of abuse that tends to be reflected in especially slasher films when they try to give you a little bit of background on a lot of slashers. It's something horrible that's happened in their past or an abusive parent or a loss that they suffered.

whatever. It's not that often that they just present a killer doing something for no reason. And it's just like a true psychopath who's out to do something absolutely awful. So I think that horror doesn't get enough credit for, I mean, it doesn't always handle this stuff well, but I think that there usually is a little more depth than what we... are giving credit for in this genre to why some of these

characters are that way what are some others you can think of that you would consider to be almost like a sympathetic or misunderstood i mean i mentioned after i did frankenstein the monster i mentioned jason vorhees i thought he was very misunderstood right

He was just a boy, and we'll know in the first one. He's not the killer, so let's go into number two, right? Smaller, smaller, not the killer, number one. But in number two, what was he doing? Like, was he killing because of being mean or whatever? He was a boy that saw his mom die, right? She saved him, but she gets murdered, so he comes after the people that killed his mom. Kind of, yeah, but then there's also, in the first one, Pamela, like his mom talks about how...

Well, there's a lot of backstory that's mentioned. Not just from her where they talk about fires that had happened. There was a lot of bad shit that happened prior to the events of the first Friday the 13th movie. And that's because of his mom. And then when she is

dealing with Alice at the end she's talking in that child voice get her mommy get her and all that stuff she's gotta screw loose and so he grew up in an environment with a mad woman who is obsessed with his camp and then he seemingly absorbed that And it's kind of territorial. It's almost a little bit like Creature from the Black Lagoon, which the creature wasn't sinister at all. So it's different in the realm of, like, Jason is going to murder. That wasn't the thing with the creature.

Jason seemed to have a territory, an environment that he was protecting starting in part two. Right. And yeah, it turned into just senseless bloodbath from that point forward. But I think it could be said that he was raised by a psychopath. that's all he knew He lived on his own in the woods, and when something would come by that shouldn't be there, he would deal with it, is kind of how it appeared to me.

Yeah, kind of like, no different than a shark in its environment, or the creature, like you said, in its environment. Jason's environment was those woods, so like you come into his home. And I think that will tie in with the next one, which would absolutely be, you know, it would have to be Leatherface. It would have to be... He was very confused, yeah, by what was going on. Like, he...

Was doing nothing wrong, right? He's in it. Well, he might have been doing something. He was in his house, right? Yeah. They come into his house and come to him, and he's like, what the fuck? Then what does he do? He's like, what are you doing in my house kind of deal? And then he had to do what he did to protect the home, protect the family. So I think Leatherface, in a sense, that's the one that really comes to me even more than Jaycee.

As you can see, the confusion. Dave's talked about this a lot, Dr. Shock. that scene where You know, Leatherface has got his hands. Yeah, on his head. And he's sitting there pounding his head like, what? You know, because it's that whole confusion of why are they in my home? Why do they keep coming? Yeah. And they're like coming at us. Like, what are they doing? And he's like confused. He's conflicted. Like, what am I fucking doing?

And then he does what he does. I think he's definitely misunderstood. It's another situation where he lives with an absolute maniac and the cook and he... That's the environment that he's raised in and they kind of use him as the muscle is the way it seems when they need to have something taken care of.

So, I mean, killing people doesn't have to be the choice all the time. I mean, and I say all the time only because there are situations where you might have to save someone's life and you're going to have to deal with A or B or whatever. But generally speaking, I think we can all acknowledge

No matter how bad your background has been, no matter what you've been through in life, you don't need to murder people. So we're not, I just don't want anyone to misconstrue this little bit of this episode for us being defend, like defending murderers in those films. You don't need to ping someone on a meetup. And you're not a good person after that. Yeah, you scan somebody with a chainsaw. You're not a good person, but

on the flip side, you know, you attack somebody's home, you take care of your family and that. So what would be any other ones you would think of? Is there any you could think of? We're watching, we have Big Top Pee Wee on right now, and I haven't seen it in a long time, and I admitted to these guys that when I was a kid, I had the biggest crush on Valeria Golina in this movie, and it's the scene where she and Pee Wee are riding the elephant around, and I just,

When I was... The two horses come together. Yeah, this movie's so good. Were they insinuating something there? I wonder... I wonder if like Pee-wee was having an excited moment. Okay, moving on. So... We're not going to besmirch the good name of Pee Wee Herman, my friend. This is true. I love Pee Wee.

What else were you thinking of? So we got into Leatherface a little bit there. Leatherface, we've done Jason, we've done... Let me ask you, because you brought something up while we were walking around looking at cemeteries today that you brought up. other iterations of Frankenstein. There's other stories that have been told, including one that you watched recently that you really enjoyed. The initial presentation of these

creatures or psychos or madmen or however you want to describe it. Usually... is different by the time you get to the end of something, if it becomes a franchise or a long-running theme of a character throughout a bunch of different films that might not necessarily be under the same franchise umbrella or whatever.

I think that you can point to all of these that we've talked about so far and you can acknowledge that the filmmakers took the sympathy and squeezed it out of them as these films went on. Sure. They became... machines in a lot of ways and yes or they just boil it down to the more horrifying or violent components of what they were yeah psycho is different in psycho they maintain this sort of internal imbalance for

what Norman was going through throughout at least the first few movies. I haven't seen Bates Motel series. But that's kind of a rare example where they didn't just turn him into an out-and-out, just madman slashing throats. But if you look at Leatherface,

By the time you're getting into the remakes and stuff like that, he's just a machine. He's a monster. Jason turned into a machine from probably... jason lives forward especially he was just an absolute slaughterhouse on legs michael michael's the same way although people like to point to the ambiguity of his origin like it what what caused the evil and i know we you and even the episodes that i've been on on this show

We've talked so much about Michael over the years. What do you think about the transition that he took? See, and that's the whole thing. I think it depends on which storyline you're following, right? Because there's so many different storylines that take it. So the Halloween one, do you go to the

halloween 2 route and maybe tie in h2o in that group or do you do the whole four five six where you got thorn and you got all this so if you looked at it from the one two standpoint I never fully saw, because you never get a full glimpse into his life past that one day. Of the murders. Except for the TV footage. Exactly. So we're only getting.

Halloween that year. Yeah. Right. So, but then you go into four, five, and six, and we see the whole period of the Thorn, and how that this has been, you know, put down on him from day one, and how, you know, the whole druids and all this stuff is controlling him, and he has to do it because... The droids are talented. It's just It's etched in the skies. It's in the...

It's in the horoscopes and the glidoscopes and the whatever other scopes. And he's destined to do this. But in 1 and 2, it wasn't destined. It was just the fact that he was a 15-year-old born and then 15 years. How do I put it? I think that you said it when they squeeze you out, right? So as you go through sequels, they squeeze you out and they make them more monsteristic. And Halloween 1 and 2, I don't think...

John Carpenter did that. I think John Carpenter kept him as a sympathetic character that was in his mind evil. Do you think he was sympathetic? I do. I feel that he was To an extent, I feel like Michael was a product of the system. Okay? So, what he did to his sister was prior to the system. Well...

Remember the first murder in that film was when she was a little kid, and Judith died for a reason we don't know. Well, and robbed zombies because she didn't take them trick-or-treat. Well, there was a lot more than that in Rob. But that's a good example to bring up because Rob introduced child abuse, alcoholism, and all these other things into the environment that pushed him to where it is. It's a much more stark and...

more realistic portrayal of how a kid could be led down that path. But in the original, again, it's that ambiguity that people love. They love the idea of the shape and Michael almost being like two different entities, right? Because they were, right? In an extent. Michael was a boy. He was just a normal kid that we think. But the shape was when he left the hospital and did what he did. Got in the system and they

whatever and whatever happened to him in the system for all those years, right? Yeah, but what led to that first killing? Why did he kill his sister? That's a good point. What did it lead to it? What do you feel? I don't know. There's no way to know. I mean, I guess that the novelization, which I don't really remember very well, goes into some more background. They talk in the TV version. There's a little extra dialogue talking about his time when he...

Now that I'm thinking about the novelization, if it was in the additional TV footage or if it was actually in the novelization where... There's talk of Michael really messing with kids in the hospital when he was in there. Otherwise, he was basically catatonic. And you see that in the TV footage when he's sitting staring out the window.

Might even be a little bit of that in... No, maybe... That's just the TV. I'm so tired, you guys. We've been... Anyway. I don't view Michael as sympathetic just because we don't have the reasoning behind his I don't have the reasoning behind his first kill. Other than the only element that's in play outside of him and his sister existing in the same space is that she had a guy with her.

That's a good question. I don't know. Maybe it was that. Maybe there was something in the mom and dad. We don't know because all we know of the mom and dad is when they show up and they look dressed up and they're just sitting there and they're screaming Michael or holding them.

Wow. Maybe there was some kind of abuse. They don't scream. They're just staring at him because they're perplexed, which tells me this would be new for them if he was a maniac who had done this shit all the time if he was some hoodlum they'd be like oh it's michael being michael but it's gone too far now there was none of that they're just standing there staring but then

by the time rosenthal did his did part two and also well written by john right so we can still say an extension of john's story Michael started to move more into the realm of just whoever's in the room, I'm getting him. He was wandering around that hospital, and he didn't have to kill just about any of those people because they weren't in his way. In the original, it's a little more tied to the people who are in and around his house. Mm-hmm.

Pearl held, uh, made a note that she thinks it's a territorial thing, which, I mean, maybe the, cause early on he's inside his house, the Myers house. And then Lori and Tommy come up to the door to get that key. I mean, if he sees him, he'd drop off the key. And he's looking through the door, and he's like, wait, what are these people? It's a little like Leatherface would be. Mm-hmm.

but anyway yeah wow that's good I don't know so maybe I'm not should be sympathetic no it's your perspective man you feel that way about him I just feel like there's something in there that but I did dismiss the fact that you're right he did kill his sister at six years old and we don't even know why. But then, not to just make this all about Halloween, which we can do that on LOTC very easily and have in the past, but the insistence that Loomis has

He is absolutely stone convinced that he should be kept locked away. He has seen something. He wouldn't have known Michael from before. He got him as a patient while he was institutionalized. So... He knew it. He saw it. He got a little bit into it, but he was kind of talking like high level, like it was just madness and whatever, whatever.

That's not even a quote in the film, but he, um, knew that Michael should be should not be let out and when he was let out over and over again throughout the series that was one of the threads that he needed to make sure that he was locked back down again so there was something more there to michael but it didn't seem like he was ever sympathetic to him right There was never a moment where Loomis was trying to humanize Michael. He was always talking about him like an absolute monster.

Yeah. Like a machine that is going to come here and he's going to do bad things. The devil's eyes, the blackest eyes. So he definitely flipped a switch and said, well, I'm going to kill him. And that was it. So, I don't know. Maybe I am wrong on that for sure. I am wrong for that one. So, other than that, then we go for Michael because we could talk all night about Halloween. I'll get super excited, but we're not going to do that. So, Frankie.

We have Creature from Black Lagoon, definitely misunderstood. I feel Jason, I felt like was misunderstood in number one or number two. So after that, he kind of becomes whatever, right? So then we go from there, who else would there be in your eye that would be somebody that you could feel was misunderstood? You got anybody off your head? Right off the top of your thought?

as we're talking about this, to a certain extent, I'm feeling like It's a general note related to most horror in some way. There is some kind of tragedy. There's something that leads to the events of what happened. Carrie. Carrie. Her mom. The kids at school, horrible bullying, stuff like that. Yeah. And that's exactly what Rob's Michael and Halloween and Rob's Halloween was.

It's the same kind of product. I do appreciate that out of Rob. I did want to mention that to you. I didn't say it before, but I did appreciate that more as I seen it. I told you the first time I seen it, I hated it. Yeah, you really hated it. But it's grown to be one of my favorites of the series' number one.

And I think it is because I do get a little more of Rob's take of where Michael... So I think maybe that is what I lacked in the original was that they didn't give you that. Well, why not tell a different story has always been my thing. Yeah, you've got Halloween. No one's taking it away from you. You're going to... If you don't like this one, don't watch it. But it's a different painter. I've always said this, and I know I've probably even said it on this show.

In these kinds of scenarios and discussions, I think of in the center of the room as a model. If you're like in an art studio and all around them, are different painters different artists nice and that model in the middle is the i'm just going to air quote this the story of halloween If you were to be the teacher and walk around that room and just watch as these different painters work on what they're painting, no one's going to have two that look the same, and they shouldn't.

and they shouldn't it's just like when there's a remake of anything if there's a sequel of something it's a different artist coming in different collection of brushes and paints and style and they need to be able to create on their own within their universe and some of it may piss you off but you can't say that they don't have the right to do it. This is so true. You're right. Because Art is art. Film is art. It is money too. We get lost in that shit, but ultimately you don't go into it.

to make money because it's a very fucking hard business to make any money in and it's even a harder business to get anything done in so if you're getting a movie made and you want and you do something that's with a vision I think that that is when you're at your truest as a creator yeah so yeah anyway that's fucking epic dude i love that because it is i love the paintbrush thing too because that's so true and rob has got such a

a way about him to be able to paint. He has a style. He does, and it typically goes to a... I mean, he does have a unique voice, and, you know, it's... It is what it is. It's a different kind of story. I love it, man. But when you're looking at horror as a whole, if we were to flip open just about any book

about the history of the genre as I'm just perusing your shelves I'm like looking at them with my eyes here thinking about the killers in the different films and there are some where there's legitimately just a madman on the loose there's there's someone but even in films like the burning The guy was burned by those kids, but he was a creep before that. So he was an absolute monster prior to that time. And it can be argued, this is another thing in horror where we're talking about monsters.

This is a little off track from the sympathetic angle that you wanted to discuss with me today, but The Burning is a great example of a movie where as you're watching it, There is this killer in the woods that's coming after these kids. But the kids, there's a lot of these guys in that movie that are fucking assholes. And they are monsters themselves. Yes. Preying on these girls.

Like I mentioned earlier when the UTI discussion about lakes, what's that one dickhead's name who takes the girl to the lake? The blonde-haired guy. No, not the blonde-haired guy. The dark-haired guy who gets so angry when the girl won't get on him in the lake when he takes her out there. Oh. and then her clothes are missing when she gets back on the shore and she has to the burning and but that

That's a lot of these movies, especially in the slasher subgenre, where you find that the humans around this element are really just as bad. They are. They might not be murdering somebody, but they're murdering elements of somebody. And every time there's an assault on a woman... anytime there's forced stuff, and it's mostly men on women in this shit, they are... That is a little death. That is a little... That's destruction on a level that actually... ripples and permeates

more than what the story you're looking at would allow you to explore. And so... Ultimately, what I always say, man is the greatest monster of all, or the most horrifying monster of all. And that's proven over and over again to be the case. God, it's such fucking journey, brother.

Oh, my God. Cropsey, like you were talking about with the burn, and now him, I see exactly what you're saying. He was a creeper. He was a fucking perv. He was All the things that are evil, right? Only now he's a burned evil, creepy murderer. So, no sympathy for him whatsoever. I don't know, man. I think, what would you consider Dracula to be? Like, just to say Dracula, for instance.

That's so off. It's kind of a different thing, right? It is. And I don't know enough about... I don't remember... I don't think I've ever read the original book, the original Stoker story, so I can't really speak to that, but I would imagine at some point he was victimized and turned into what he is, too. I should know that. so here I'm losing my street cred with anybody what little cup of that maybe teaspoon of that that I even had I think about Angela in sleepaway camp. She was a victim.

of a physical transformation similar to Frankenstein monster where she became something that she didn't have any influence over didn't know how to deal with it At the same time, though, morality is most always in play in these things. And as she's going through the camp and tearing through the people that she is, they're awful people. Yeah. The cook.

with Mel or whatever and on and on and on the people being killed in that film for the most part are pretty shitty people So even though she has been a victim of something, she's kind of a vigilante that she's going out and getting some semblance of one-upmanship on people who may who may actually deserve it and who aren't just innocent victims and that's the difference between like uh

a movie where it's just a slasher killing whoever's in the room and then the movies where they're being targeted like Alice Sweet Alice where it's happening against the people who have made victims of the killer.

That's a good point. A lot of Italians y'all are that way. It's usually people that were at fault for something in their past, right? Does it make it right? No. But at the same time, you see... Maybe you do or you don't, but there are reasonings behind why they're doing the murders that they're doing, right? Yeah, and it complicates the sympathy, though, to your point of this whole discussion.

sympathy is not a black and white thing here it's not like wrestling where it's like good guy bad guy in this there's usually some sort of layers to it to some extent and there are plenty of mindless horror films or there's a creature who just attacks and kills. Maybe it is the fact that the sympathy shouldn't be necessarily what we would consider. When I say sympathy, it's not that we should be like, he's a good person, but maybe that's because the sympathy is

you see the reasoning behind what was causing the murder. So that sympathy side of things. Well, I think you said misunderstood. Misunderstood, yeah. So the misunderstood side of it, they're killing because of products of their environment like you said are different things so i totally get that do you think it makes a film experience richer for you if you have that a lot that added

depth to it or consideration of the motive or that the background may have led? Does that give you extra depth versus a movie where people enter a space and are just slaughtered I think it kind of just depends. slasher films I don't really care necessarily because you're just there

Or at least I'm there typically in a slasher movie to just see deaths and see how different they're going to make these. Are we going to get a severed head? Are we going to get a whatever? One up the next one. I don't think slasher movies necessarily matters. In a movie like Frankenstein, for instance, I think it did like to see that layer of what's going on. I think that definitely needed that extra for me to fully invest

Uh, Dark Knight Scarecrow with Bubba. Oh, yeah. You know what I mean? So those moments I do. So heartbreaking. It is. You definitely, and anybody who watches that movie, definitely feels for Bubba. That's a revenge film. Think about that. That's a revenge film. Absolutely. There's plenty of those. Like the whole rape revenge subgenre too is that way where you want them to get that revenge. You're then on the side of no matter what

the extent they're going. But then you look at something like the Fun House, Toby Hooper's Fun House. or this guy who is looks different than other back to our point at the beginning of this with Frankenstein like this guy looks different but he's in a very sad environment and he's having to pay this woman to try to touch him and oh my god he cries and yeah heartbreak and he just he doesn't know any better or know what to do he is killing kids who don't certainly there's no

merit to killing them there's no reason to hurt anybody that's in that space so he's you're seeing reasons why you should feel for him so it's a complicated relationship with him in that in that film just for an example is like God, this is horrifying what he's doing. He has no reason for any of this. But at the same time, God damn it, his life is awful. Yes. And he's living in this bleak universe of this carnival. Wow. So you're feeling and then revolted.

like repulsed at the same time I guess now that's so good because that's The whole rape revenge, like I spit on your grave and Last House on the Left, and you're hoping she murders these people. You're like really rooting that she does. not only murders them, but you want her to, like, really make them suffer murder, right?

yeah and where is that right in the world like why is that right that you see somebody torturing somebody because it's awfully easy to write these motherfuckers off that's right and i don't have any remorse i don't have any qualms about these guys like one of my favorite movies in all of movie-dom. It's called Lady Terminator, which is an Indonesian film that Mondo Macabro put out on DVD years ago that hasn't made it to Blu-ray or beyond, but it's on my short list of

Things I would love to be a part of. I found the star, Barbara Ann Constable, and surprised her that I was able to track her down years ago. And I did an interview with her for Fangoria, which was just a highlight for me of that run. And she told me the stories behind the making of that film. But that's a movie where the lady Terminator, it was a riff on Terminator, obviously. But there's more stuff to it. There's like a sea witch involved and all this mysticism and stuff.

And she emerges from the ocean, puts on this guy's leather jacket after killing these two fucking creeps who just want to take advantage of her.

And then she goes on this epic killing spree. And to the point of this element of the discussion here where we're talking about the rape revenge and we want to see them really get it. She blasts these fucking people into oblivion. She has machine gun that never runs out of bullets which is great and she'll shoot a guy a couple times in the chest and when she's on when the guy's on the ground she'll stand there and just

like unload on his crotch right like it just keeps going yes and it's the most rewarding thing somehow to see this occur where and that's how the whole thing is she turns a corner and just shoots a guy once in the head once in the crotch and then whatever So the vengeance in that case, like what she's a part of, is delightfully over the top. And that's what you want to see. Yes, yes. Then in there again, not rightfully so, but it is fun. It is fun to watch that dude. God dang, I love that dude.

Let's see. So the burning you mentioned, Frankenstein we mentioned. But these are not things where we're sympathizing. We're not. We're not. Yeah, that's just definitely...

You say the reasoning behind it. Yeah, there's a little misunderstanding. Because a lot of people just say Friday the 13th is about kids being killed at camp. I know it's a little more than that.

Yeah, go a little bit deeper. Now, I do know, like you said, after six, seven, eight, nine, I mean, these movies have become the cash cow, so they've got to just basically move the story along and have more deaths, because that's what sells. And that's how they marketed those movies. So it was like one... The trailers were counting down and then the body count.

I remember in Fangoria, when there's a new Friday the 13th, they do a body count thing. That's crazy. And what ways they were killed. That's been done in countless magazines and now countless websites and podcasts and blogs and whatever else.

So that's absolutely an honor. You watch Joe Bob and he'll tell you how many body counts are in it. Yeah, he'll tell you. I love it. And how many boobs. Oh my God, he'll give you the boobs if there's a head rolling down the street or stockings that are gray or whatever. He'll give you it all. All right, JB. I think we'll start wrapping up, my friend.

What else do you want to talk about tonight? That's really it. It's like a That's a discussion that could literally go forever. So there's not going to be a good end point. But everyone out there, think about that. And maybe if there's a call to action for your listeners. If you come up with some more characters that are a little more complicated than just mindless killers, put them in the comments.

wherever you can comment or pop in the thread on the LRTC group page on Facebook and initiate a discussion about it because I think it's kind of fun to dive into some alternate views of these films and this is a unique this was a neat idea that you came up with to consider these creatures and these people if you want to call them creatures and monsters and whatever else killers as more than just the machines that we sort of paint them widely with.

I love it. So I hope you have enjoyed this, and I hope you've enjoyed the Unknown Caller, wherever we put this in the episode. I'm sure Unknown Caller's having fun. If he hasn't already killed us all, I don't know. What do we know? We don't know. Thank you guys for hanging in there through this far in the episode. I hope you enjoyed the Invisible Maniac or whatever was earlier. And stay tuned for voicemails.

Which are always great. We love when you guys call in. And I'm really blown away by the sincerity of the listeners, seriously. And Greg's laughing, but not at that. You guys are amazing. And the listenership for this show is second to none. Absolutely. Absolutely awesome. I'm laughing at this little Bigfoot in my hand right now that Pearl has gifted Justin and I both. We both have our own little Bigfoot. And I will probably cherish these forever.

This has been a blast. Love, Justin. Justin, we love you so much. Appreciate you coming to stay with us for a few days. Thank you for having me. Venturing through my tourism. That's great. I should actually get paid to do this in the future of just Like they should give me a job doing this as a regular weekly thing for people that come into town. No. Oh. No. Really? I can show them.

Buy a white van and just drive around asking to pick people up and show them around town. With Werther's Originals. Just as much success. And Greg also is addicted to 80-year-old person candy, Werther's Originals. He's always popping them in his mouth. And asking people to get in my car. So, you know.

No, you opened the door for us, which is very nice. At least open the door. You guys have been very, very courteous. Like, I'm not kidding. This has been a top-shelf experience. I travel alone everywhere, people. I don't... I never get the luxury of having anyone with me unless I take my son sometimes. And then I'm also slapping tons of shit along with me. At the very least, computers and whatever. I didn't have to bring any gear.

I didn't even bring a computer with me this time. Just a backpack on my shoulder. and smile on my face and show up at the end yeah and I'm leaving with more than I showed up with I got I got some gifts from these guys and they've taken such amazing care of me and it's It's going to be hard to say goodbye, but it's been an absolute thrill. So thanks to both of you. And then from now on...

JB's just going to travel. We're going to travel with him wherever he goes. Yeah, you guys just tag him on. That'd be great. We love it. So we're going to hop off here, Justin. We love you, buddy. You too. For real. And we're going to see all of you.

We're going to see everybody on the flip side. Woo! That's woo! Woo! That's how we end us. Woo! Woo woo!