Land Of The Creeps Episode 422 DD 59 Umberto Lenzi & Kids On Horror

LOTC presents Black Glove Mysteries with Ian Urza and Greg Amortis. Welcome to Land of the Cre- presents black glove mysteries this is episode 422 of lotc double double 59 if you're keeping up scores and we are back And I am your host, Greg Amortis, along with Ian Erza. What's going on, Ian? That moon doesn't bother you? There's no moon in my hotel room. I was right. You're a sweet, sweet whore. But you have to shave your beard first. What?

Your sweet, sweet whore doesn't take any payments, but she does have her whim. I figured it was a good way to start with something. Amazing flirting between Susie Kendall and Robert Hoffman and Spasmo. And then right after that, he proceeds to vaguely threaten to rape her. Could have you hear it now and you'd like it.

with the beard one of the oddest movies that we will be covering tonight yeah and i enjoyed it i gotta say even more so than the first time i watched it i had a lot of fun with that film and i watched um uh so i own the scorpion releasing dvd the blu-ray i don't think was available at the time i tried to buy it but the dvd still looks really good and

uh lindsey in an interview talked about how this was his favorite of his giallo movies the spasmo was nice um and he even talked about spasmo a lot uh in the in the blu-ray for uh seven bloodstained orchids on the interview he was talking about this handheld camera shot he did in spasmo so he is

He's rather fond of it, actually. I have some notes from the interviews that we can go over as we go along, because both of them, especially the one on seven bloodstained orchids, was actually very informative. He was talking about.

you know his filmmaking process and like different cameras they used and how he would have them use the cameras like it was actually very informative and very interesting and of course he's very candid like he's uh he skipped no uh you know lindsey is known for being uh I'd say the opposite of modest. And he was talking about Gabriella Giorgelli in the opening of seven bloodstained orchids. He was like, um,

He said she was beautiful while naked and it was a pleasure to shoot that scene. So that's definitely the type of person. lindsey can be nice well these are the movies we're going to be covering tonight if you're new to the channel welcome This part of the show we call LOTC Presents, where you will hear typically black glove mysteries as well as mortise vision.

this was released every other week so if you're new to the show ian and i cover italian cinema specifically giallo but we are not uh susceptible not necessarily stuck to that we will slip out to Maybe some Spaghetti Westerns, some Polizias. So Italian cinema is what we're going to call it. But we stick mainly to Jallo for sure. I will always appreciate you for... some of the, you know, the forays you've gone on.

to to have here where you you've been like okay i'll give all these different kind of films a shot because you know we want to keep this show going and if we just did giallo and even horror and giallo it wouldn't last forever so the fact that we have some other genres we can cover with actors and directors we like.

is really fun and it's always fun you know if we do some you know we we split off and do some spaghetti westerns or some euro crime films it's always come back it's always fun to circle back to the giallo and cover some films within that genre and sometimes stuff we haven't seen that's right so that's what we're doing so welcome to the show hope you will stick around enjoy we got some cool things coming up in the near future

But we are going to be covering tonight Humberto Lindsay, and we're about ready to finish up. We got one more film of his to do, of his Jallows. And we'll be finished up and we'll have something special coming up that we'll announce later on in the next few weeks. But anyways, so. Tonight, we're covering 1972's Seven Bloodstained Orchids. as well as 1974 spasmo. And as you heard at the beginning, That little excerpt of dialogue that Ian gave us. This movie is bonkers as it sounds.

So we're super excited. We're going to get into this. I hope you will enjoy this episode for sure. So let's go ahead and break it down. Oh, and we do have one call to get to before the end of the episode, too, from someone very special to Ian and I. So we'll get to that at the end of the episode. It's going to be fun to hear some tape.

Tonight, we're going to look at the chronological order. We'll go to 1972, and that is going to be the Seven Bloodstained Orchids. We'll go ahead and play some form of a trailer right now. No! Ah! Ah! And then I'm going to send it over to you, Ian. What you got for a plot snob?

A killer begins murdering young women, leaving a half-moon pendant as a kind of calling card at the scene of the crime. When Julia is attacked and nearly killed, the police and her husband Mario decide to let the killer believe that she has died from her wounds. so that they can try and get the upper hand. The series of killings continues and eventually it transpires that all the victims have a connection.

which helps Mario to unmask the culprit. And as usual, the synopsis is taken from So Deadly, So Perverse by Troy Howarth, Volume 1 in this case, because this is 1972. Nice. Love, Troy. So we got this movie called Seven Bloodstained Orchids. This one has a screenplay by Roberto Giovanni Vitti, and then you got Roberto Lindsay as well.

I think it's noted that Angelo Lottie has been the cinematographer for this movie, and this movie shot well. I really enjoyed the footage in this movie, the way that we have some... Some really cool angles, man. I just really enjoyed the cinematography in this one. But we have a killer. Now this one really plays more of a giallo than even spasmo. I think this one definitely hits that black glove.

mystery killer of all of all his eight giallo movies this is the one that's what you'd most expect from the genre when we watch eyeball i'll have to see if that one resembles it but i do remember that film being kind of silly at least in tone and it's closer to like an agatha christie type story than a giallo from what i remember this one has the black glove killer it has the killer you know on the phone you know everything like that has the

The object of interest that like little crescent moon pendant thing. So this is hit. This is Lindsay. like really doing what you'd expect from the genre. It's almost like his Victor Miller, so to speak, Friday the 13th compared to John Carpenter's Halloween. And he's rebuffed in interviews saying that it was an Argento clone, which a lot of people accused them of.

Really, I could give a damn because a lot of a lot of people are doing that. It's like every movie that had a black glove killer and any plot like that could be confused to the Nargento film. So he wasn't the only one. You could label as a person who was ripping off Argento, but he tried to say in the interview with.

This is true. He based it off a Cornell Woolrich novel and he switched the gender stuff within that story. So he said he tried to say, look, I based it off that and it wasn't an Argento clone because of that. Now. Look, he may have based it on that novel. There's definitely some Argento influence here. Sure. Let's be real. So it's a combination of both. Yeah, absolutely. And, you know, copying is a form of flattery.

uh you know it's not a bad thing we all seen that with halloween you know what came thereafter so it's not yeah i Recently, it was announced that Shout Factory, to be more specific, had gotten the rights to all the John Woo movies. And I can't wait for people... to talk all over the internet and Twitter and Blue Sky and all these places when Ring of the Lamb's City on Fire finally gets released about how Tarantino literally copied that whole movie and the ending for Reservoir Dog.

And no one talks about it because Tarantino is Tarantino. And I'm not slamming Tarantino. I'm just saying so many people accuse each other of copying and ripoffs and no one talks about it with Tarantino. even though he's done it. So, you know, teach their own, I guess. Exactly. Exactly. So we get into this movie. I like some of the POV shots of the killer. It's like you're looking through the eyes. I think there's a couple of kills, one with a.

with a hand stretched out Frankenstein-esque style that I really enjoy. I thought that was fun. We got a foam cord kill in this one that

I won't say it mimics Halloween. It doesn't. But we definitely get a phone cord killer. And if it was Halloween-esque, Halloween would have ripped it off. So there you go. But I really enjoyed that kill. There's some really good kills in this one. But we get that opening sequence where we got the... uh baseline rolling in the scene we got somebody driving down the street

What a cool interest, right? You know, to open this movie up, you got that boom, boom, boom. Yeah, they're very similar to something like Strange Vice and Mrs. Ward. Yes, absolutely. And then we kind of get into the movie, man. We got, you know, you got breasts within the first 10 minutes of this movie. So you got a jello for sure.

so a cool little kill sequence there that you know it's like what was it a pipe or something maybe you know minor spoilers isn't the first lead pipe and that was uh gabriella giorgeli our girl from uh police are blundering in the dark where she played the nymphomaniac and that what a stretch of character in this for her playing a prostitute it played a lot like that movie i mean that opening sequence where we have a bunch of

You know, prostitutes out on the street. We got a car. Pearl was even mentioned. She said, we've seen this movie before, which I don't think we had. But I think that sequence definitely reminded her of that. But this one, it was filmed in Italy and in West Germany. It plays well. It definitely hits the shallow notes that I really enjoyed. I thought the acting was good in it.

I did like the inspector, the detective in this one that we know very well. I just really enjoyed, which is Pierre Poirot Caponi. playing Inspector Vismar. I liked him, man. Yeah, we saw him in, what is it, Cat of Ninetales? He played a cop in that, and then he was in Forbidden Photos of a Lady of a Suspicion. playing maybe a different kind of role in that. But yeah, I liked him in this. He's great as sort of that.

sort of grumpy temperamental cop i love that scene where you know they're at the crime scene for the the second kill of the movie with rosella falk yes and um you know he immediately starts in on mario and he's like what are you two doing here so quickly? Like, how'd you not like, you know, he's, he's automatically just accusing them of being suspects. Then he says to his assistant, he's like, why did you tell me they called? Like he's, this guy is a, this guy definitely has a, you know,

a bad attitude. He's a bad cop, so to speak. Absolutely. I totally agree. But he has that authority, too. So I like that. You need that one guy that has that authoritative figure. Well, what I kind of liked about this movie was the second half kind of focuses on the cop. tracking down the people, the women who were at the hotel and were on the registry list, whereas Mario is doing his own investigation.

trying to find out who else is involved he finds frank or finds out about frank i should say where the cops are trying to do their best to protect the victims not that successfully yeah exactly uh our main character mario played by none other than antonio sabato sabato sabato i guess we'll call him sabato it sounds

What did you think of him as the main lead? I like him in other stuff. I think we did Escape from the Bronx however many months ago. It wasn't that long ago, and I liked him better in that than I did in this. pretty much in everything better than i did in this i thought he was kind of sleepwalking in this to be honest with you i thought his reactions were he always just kind of has the same look on his face and

He's not really doing a whole lot. He's not one of our better investigator characters. I don't think he's the worst we've ever seen, but he is far, far from the best. Lindsay didn't get along with them, which is not that surprising because... I've heard from a multitude of people that Antonio Sabato has never been the easiest person to deal with. I know on an earlier episode when we talked about him, well, it probably was Escape from the Bronx, actually.

because I think that's the only movie we covered with him. Eric Zaldiver and Mike Malloy had some stories about him, specifically Eric, on the set of Eurocrime, the documentary that they filmed. Shout out to them. The documentary like Antonio Sabato was just a complete jackass to deal with. He was, you know, rude to everybody on the set. He was one of the interviews they paid for. He.

He basically refused to talk about any Eurocrime movies. He tried to circle everything back to Grand Prix, which is one of his first films, the Frankenheimer film. It's an American film. And basically they gave him the release papers to sign at the end, you know, the certain non-disclosure thing of like, hey, if you don't approve of.

What we say in this interview, we can't use it. And he refused to sign it. And then one of the crew members just flung the papers in his face because he was so angry. And he said something like, just sign the fucking papers. And he did it. But he would always tell all these stories. Like Eric had said, he told the story once about how.

He was in the Atlanta airport or something like that. He's like, I got off in the airport and there were these three black guys. You know what? I didn't even give these guys a chance. I beat them all up. And it's like, those are the type of stories Sabato liked to tell. He got arrested for shoplifting at one point when he was living in Kentucky, which I found very funny. So yeah, Sabato is really something actually.

Another story, too. I'll keep this. I'll keep this quick. He had asked Richard Harrison, who sort of was sort of a B-movie king of sorts. He was in a lot of Eurocrime movies in Italy. He was in Peplum movies before that. He asked Richard out to dinner at one point. Richard, you know, was a really nice guy. Apparently Sabato had owed him money at one point, but he didn't care. They went out to dinner.

And guess who left the restaurant before the bill showed up? Antonio Sabato. Really? Stiffed him. Yeah. So Antonio Sabato. Yeah. Larger than life. Maybe not the nicest guy in the world. There were even more stories that he told. He was apparently estranged from his son, Antonio Sabato Jr., who people might know from his soap opera career and other stuff. And he would tell a lot of stories about his son that weren't even true. Like he would say stuff like.

Oh, my son and I be once with shark hunting with shotguns and stuff like that. And yeah, this is the way Antonio Sabato is. I kind of like him as an actor. But in this movie in particular. I think he's kind of just, he's just there making the same expressions on his face the whole time. I actually think Pierre Palo Capone's... Much more compelling as one of the better actors in the film. Ushie Gloss is interesting. She's in the film because the German distributors wanted her to be.

Lindsay said that Antonio Sabato was just hitting on her the whole time. I can imagine that. Yeah. After all the stories I've told, which, you know, can't say that I blame him. Truth be told. Yeah. But yeah, I enjoyed her as sort of this. She actually ends up being kind of a strong character. She does. The way the film goes is a twist early on with her. I won't say exactly what it is, although it's...

let's just say Scream 5, or just called Scream, kind of does something similar with General Ortega's character. That ought to be enough information. And... And then at the end, she's like, you know what? I'm tired of this. Let's set a trap for the killer. So I thought that that was really cool. And then...

I also really liked it. I don't think she's in this movie enough. Troy Howarth would agree with me from his commentary, but I enjoyed seeing Marissa Mell playing dual roles in this. She's a very, very striking woman. I did not realize Troy Howard talked about this in his commentary. She had a car accident at one point and had to get like a surgery. And he basically said, yeah, it doesn't show. It didn't really do much to her. And I kind of agree. She still has.

a really sort of striking, luminous look that she does in this and Danger Diabolic and Mad Dog Killer, any movie she's been in. She is just... a revelation on the screen yeah i totally agree and um it's one of those uh actresses that that just really when i when you really think about it like the movies i think the couple that we would recognize her from would be you know the red queen killed seven times and the night evelyn came out of the grave i think would be two that

would be recognizable that people... Oh, there you go. Are you thinking of Marissa Mell or Marina Malfotti? Marina Malfotti. I'm sorry. I was talking Marina Malfotti. I'm sorry. Other girl. Other girl. I was thinking about it. I was like, wait a second. No, Marissa Mell is the woman who plays like the aunt in our, like she's the aunt and then she's the mother of the kid.

uh but marina malfadi is awesome as well and her small appearance in this movie yeah she was like she plays kathy adams in this one it is a very small uh play in this but I really enjoyed her in this one. And even though I would like to see her more in the movie, but I think where she comes in and where she exits is a good spot.

I really enjoyed her character. And there again, you know, knowing the Red Queen kills seven times and that, which is such a good movie and all those movies. So, yeah, I like that. The movie plays well, man. I think it's paced decent. The musical score is good in this movie. It's not great in my opinion, but it's definitely good. And I think we know it's Riz Ortolani. And I think we, or you mentioned earlier, where it's kind of...

Some notes that he's took from other movies, for sure. But it still plays well, I think. I think the kills in it are decent. We get a total of, well, we got like seven. How many kills we got in this thing? We got one. I think it was about seven. One, two, three. Yeah, we got roughly around seven, eight kills in this movie. Well, it says total of 10. We got.

But some of them are not necessarily by the kill. Lindsay, of course, has tried to say that body double ripped off a certain kill from this movie. Of course. why would he not say that uh what did you think of the the reveal of the killer at the end um if you've seen giallo moves before and uh Maybe there's a certain demographic. occupation, let's say, of people that sometimes turn out to be killers in this movie.

But and I remembered that it had been a little while since I had seen this. However, I was looking for hints along the way. And there were a couple of subtle ones. You know, I don't want to give anything away, but I do like the fact that they foreshadowed it enough. And this person was in the movie just enough to where you may not suspect them, but it makes sense at the end. Absolutely. Yeah, I wasn't.

upset with and i totally agree with you on the if you watch many of them you'll kind of pick up on Script-wise, decent. Killers, cool. I like the, it kind of drags some in the middle, I think, with some of the investigation. But, you know, there's some scenes where they're out trying to find what's going on.

Some of that drug a little bit for me, but overall, man, I was actually okay. The killer leaves this little pennant thing, which I thought was kind of fun, and that plays out toward the end of the movie, but this crescent moon-looking pennant. Uh, so that's kind of cool. Kind of the calling card, I guess you could say. Yeah. And I mean, I like the catalyst for this film where they figure out, um, who she glosses character figures out, uh, that, uh,

You know, she worked at this hotel and there were the killer is going after women who stayed at this hotel on a certain day. And Frank, the American, stayed on there a certain day, which is what Mario decides to pursue. The kill scene with Kathy Adams played by Marina Malfotti is a really suspenseful and, you know, pretty creepy scene. Like the part with the cats is like really unsettling. Yeah.

I was kind of startled by that. I was like, oh, wow, that's actually... kind of interesting to do that and like you know she goes back to her painting that we saw and there's blood all over the painting like it's that's a really good scene like even though marina malfadi isn't in this movie very long she makes the most out of that brief appearance and plus

Oh, man, does she look good? She's the hottest cat lady in the history of the world. And she's wearing this weird... I don't even know what the hell that fashion is, what she's wearing. It's basically a sequenced of... I don't know what you call the top. It barely covers anything for sure. Yeah. Like might as well not even wear anything. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Troy Howarth and his commentary. I'm going to choose to go with this.

Marina Malfotti, her birthday has always either said 1933 or 1940, depending on which source you look at. Troy Howard said 1933, so that would have made her either 38 or 39 at the time of filming. I could see that. I could definitely, yeah, I could see her being about that age in this.

Well, she looks a bit like a woman who's, let's just say, past her 20s. I'm not going to say anything more specific than that. Agree. Agree. But no, I think the movie, man, I think it's definitely a good shallow. I like the switch of pace.

uh with some of the sets we go to a factory in a sequence we're outside we're in houses i mean it's got a lot of different locations different locations and i like that especially the factory part i did like that little sequence but uh i just think it plays well i just really really thought the musical score kind of drives a little bit of it and uh So I was impressed with that. And of course, I always am. I love order.

lindsey had uh pointed out that it was shot in uh to vera and spiletto like he was pointing out different areas in rome where it was shot again his interview was really good like if if the code red blu-ray this is still out there I would highly recommend it because it's a great print, but Lindsay's interview was one of the better ones I had seen as a bonus feature.

That's cool. I think the actual cinematography, once again, as I mentioned at the beginning, man, is what really makes this movie an Angelo Lottie, man. Jeez. uh shot so well man uh i want to see this thing released maybe uh do we have another like really cool umberto lindsey box set other than what we have with the uh you know, the biker. There needs to be another one, right? Yeah, it would be nice if like Severin or one of these other, even Cauldron.

did like a better even better release i mean the thing about code red is and i love code red to death you know back in the day bill olsen rest in peace but They definitely skipped on the special features. They did a great job with their restorations, but...

I could see some of these getting more of an upgrade in the future. And Severin has already done, you know, upgrades of Code Red releases already. So I wouldn't put it past them to do either this movie or another Lindsay set of some of his giallos. that weren't the Carol Baker ones, which they've already done, which was outstanding. Cool. Well, the killer is basically hunting down seven.

There are seven people that he is hunting down or she is hunting down, and it just really plays well. I want to get Nightmare Beach. I know Keno has a good release of Nightmare, which has also actually been released on 4K. Yeah, I might be getting that. I'm debating right now how much I want to.

spend on this march madness thing that they're doing right now but i might end up getting that one yeah see i'm stuck on the arrow one man yes several others let's just say that i don't know how many i'm gonna get yet but we'll see we'll we'll see you know payment plans do exist true this is true i did the vinegar syndrome last month and april's i was like not really feeling april so

We'll see what May shows up and finances and everything. But, yeah, vinegar. Give us something better than what I didn't care for. And another thing with this movie is Eugenio Alibiso is the editor who worked regularly with Sergio Martino. Nice. Yeah. Hell yeah. What do you got on dubbing on this? Ed Mannix is dubbing Pierre Palo Capone, one of the most recognizable voices. If you're talking about dubbing, he dubbed...

The main character in New York Ripper, Jack Headley. I was having a hard time remembering his name for a second. Louis Cinelli was dubbing the partner Palumbo. I'm not sure what the actor's name is. I've seen him in other stuff, but he was the partner. I think Richard McNamara is dubbing Antonio Sabato.

Do not quote me on that, but I think he was. This one I know for sure. Carolyn DeFonzica was dubbing Rosella Falk in her brief appearance. Great actress and had been around forever and continue to do stuff after this. Susan Spafford is dubbing Franca the nurse, which I definitely couldn't find a credit for who that was. But she's in all the scenes with Rosella Falk. Ted Russoff is dubbing Renato Romano as the priest that we see in this movie.

Renato Romano, we've seen in several of the movies. Really good character actor. It can be shifty. You can play good characters or bad characters. William Keel dubbing Franco Fantasia as the other cop that we see. On a side note, that reminds me, I do love the scene where they're doing like the crossword puzzle.

Him and the other partner and they're trying to spell Acropolis or something like that. Yeah. Yeah. Franco Fantasia has been in a ton of stuff too. We saw him, well, Hands of Steel. I'll just name that. Yeah. He's in the very beginning of Hands of Steel, but he's been in a ton of stuff. Fulvio Mangosi is in this movie, too, playing a cop, and he's in, like, every Dario Rizento movie in a bit part. So there's a lot of good character actors in this.

It's a large cast, man. It's definitely got a lot of... I will say the title of the movie works. I like the name. I love Seven Bloodstained Orchids. That's a really cool title for a movie. The poster art that they have looks really cool with, I don't want to call it like a shattered glass, but it definitely has this image of four women on the cover coming off of Orchid, which I thought was cool like that.

So overall, man, this is a fun watch, man. I definitely enjoyed it. I think it could have been a little bit better. Don't know what, maybe with Sabato, like you said, he was kind of robotic in this movie or stiff, I think. It didn't help. It didn't necessarily hinder, but it certainly didn't help. And I did like Ushi Gloss, man. I thought she'd done really good. I just think I would have liked to see Marina Mafadi a little bit more in this movie.

But, you know, her small part was impactful. So what else you got on seven blood-stained orchids? What do you got on any kind of info else? Not a whole lot, really. Like you, I do like to score. Riz is taking a lot from So Sweet, So Preverse specifically. Lindsey had actually pointed that out in one of his interviews.

So I'm going to go through some Lindsay stuff here. He enjoyed working with Ushi Gloss, even though she was sort of forced on him by the German producers, but he actually did like her. He was not happy. So this is another part of this movie. He was not happy with Rialto's involvement. So Rialto was the company that would. put out the German Krimi movies and labeled this a German Krimi. This was actually the last Rialto German Krimi movie.

So it started, I think, around in 1957. And this is 1972. So this was the end of that run. And he was not happy for them. labeling it an edgar wallace adaptation which i don't blame him because it's not yeah you know uh

So, uh, that's, that's an interesting thing. We're going to have to do like a crummy month at some point on the show. I'd be up for that. I've not seen many crimmies, so that would definitely, I've seen a couple. Um, but I would, I would definitely be up for a month where we try some. Namely, some of the ones with Christopher Lee. I would definitely enjoy trying those ones. And these are basically, what we're talking about is basically German-based films kind of in the crime.

Right. And they're kind of crime combined with the GLs. They're a little different. They're not quite as erotic or not as violent as a normal giallo, but they do have the murder mystery element. Exactly.

Yeah. I did want to do this while you're talking. And let me do this real quick. Episode 322, which is double double 11. We talk about so sweet, so perverse. So if you want to go back and listen to us talk about that, you can go back and listen to that. Go ahead. Awesome. Awesome. Great shout out.

Yeah, Lindsay called Claudio Gora. We've seen a couple scenes in this. He's the guy like smoking a pipe or something. He's connected to the whole case. He said he's one of the best Italian actors ever, which is a really big compliment. from lindsey he called uh his cinematographer top notch and he talked about He would literally name the specific cameras and what they did with the handheld cameras. He said sometimes people exaggerate the use of Steadicam. He names Goodfellas as an example.

He names a really great scene from Goodfellas, but I, I don't necessarily disagree with them where that great scene in Goodfellas where, um, Ray Liotta walks into that restaurant right I think everyone knows that scene kind of towards the beginning of the film he just says look

understand what they did with it but he was likely he could have just filmed them walking into the restaurant and sitting down you know like so and I kind of I don't necessarily disagree with them I mean it's a great scene but he's like yeah like people exaggerate the use of it, which I don't disagree with him on that. Um, he talks about, well, he talked about spasmo, which we'll talk about in a minute anyway, but, um, he talked about that scene and spasmo where.

It's it's the lighthouse scene where someone's going down the stairs and looking at the window. And he said that was like one of the better sort of steadicam scenes that he's ever seen shot, or at least he had shot his career. Yeah. Hell yeah. So with that said, seven blood-stained orchids. Once again, Umberto Lindsay. I enjoyed this one.

I think I'm going to come in with this one because of the JALO aspect. I don't remember seeing a did you see, because I don't think I even saw a lot of alcohol in this movie, to be honest. There was, oh boy, this is going to be hard. It's that it's not J and B, but you see, um, Is it Punted May? Is that the name of the alcohol?

signs for and stuff in the bar it's another alcohol that's that's commonly seen in some of these films not as much as j and b but it's the other one okay i just don't exactly know how to pronounce it yeah I looked, I know when, uh, Mariana's our girl, I don't put my notes down. Daggone it. Let me pull it back up so I can get her name right again. Cause her name is so hard to pronounce for me is a Mariana Malfatti. Malfatti. There is a saying where she does have some alcohol.

But anyways, so for me, I'm going to come in. I think I'll give this big bad seven. I'm going to give it eight. I'm going to go eight with this one. And I really want to see this one again. I actually had a lot of fun with this one, but a seven bloodstained orchid. Where do you come in, Ian, for a review on this or a rating? I'm actually going higher. I'm going with a 9. I really enjoy this one, and I think, like,

It's one of the better movies to start with in the genre, honestly. It's extremely well-paced. It moves really quickly. There's never a dull moment. I mean, it has its flaws. You know, we talked about Antonio Sabato, but. The story just keeps moving. It's pretty easy to understand. Like I said, it's a really good example of the genre. You've got the black love killer. You've got a high body count. You've got some unique and bloody kills. You've got.

sort of that object of fascination with the pendant you've got The story from the past that comes back at the end of like, oh, this happened two years ago. What's going on now? So it's a checkbox of everything you'd want in the genre, basically everything you'd expect as well. Agreed. There you go. Body count total of 10. Now, some of those are not by the killer, so a total of 10 people die in this movie, but the killer, I think, only gets like six of them.

Bam. So now it's time. We're going to go to 1974. What a title for a movie. What a movie to talk about. So we're going to play the trailer right now. Spasmo! Spasmo! Spasmo. Spasmo. I killed him. I killed the man at the motel. I killed him. I can't accuse you of killing ghosts in the night. Who am I to say that any killing took place? Ghosts in the night.

I've been living in a nightmare since yesterday. And you, Malcolm, are part of that nightmare. Nightmare. Listen, if you're afraid everyone around you is your enemy, you better just disappear. What else can you do? Do you need her help or don't you trust her? Yes. I'm not mad. AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH Before they find us here. That's no solution. I found you here. And you two are very real. Mad. Mad and dangerous. Always. POSMO! POSMO!

Are you sure this intruder wasn't a woman? But I have to know. I must know now. Christian! Christian! He won't go far. And it's 1974 Spasmos. Ian, what you got for plot? Alright, so this is taken from So Deadly, So Perverse by Troy Haworth Volume 2 because this is...

1974 and it says christian becomes involved in a relationship with barbara after meeting the latter under mysterious circumstances on the beach They retire to Barbara's apartment for some lovemaking, at which point a mysterious man named Tatum attacks Christian. Tatum is apparently killed in the ensuing struggle.

But all is not what it appears, dot, dot, dot. That's a good plot. Yeah. So here we got Spasmo. This one, once again, directed by Umberto Lindsey. This has got a large... script uh story whatever so let's get it felix uh felix to sell you got pino bowl there massimo francois You got Luis Montagna, and then you got Umberto Lindsey, which I think Umberto Lindsey kind of wrote most of this. Well, we know Fulci actually came up with this. That's exactly what I was going to say from his interview.

He had said that Fulci was originally supposed to direct it. He ended up doing a different film. At this point in time, I'm not sure what that film would have been. Maybe one of the sex comedies or something, or it could have been for the apocalypse. I don't know.

uh, or maybe one of the white Fang movies. I'm just, uh, I'm brainstorming now because you got me on that. I'm like, Oh, which film did Fulci do instead of this? Uh, But yeah, Lindsay has said the only thing he really did, because he had said this was one of the few films that he was involved with that he really didn't write. He said he did the stuff with the mannequins and that psychological aspect of the film. He didn't.

He wanted to show more of the psychological aspect of a killer in this film rather than something else. He thought that the story was too broad, so that's what he added in there. It's interesting because I will give him, I think the mannequins are the best part of this movie. I think that is a big part of this movie I enjoyed are these mannequins that kind of give you a feel of maniac.

Maybe even. Yes. Definitely Maniac. But also, what was the other one I was trying to think of? Hatchet for the Honeymoon. Oh, yeah, yeah. I haven't seen that in a while. That's why I didn't think of it myself. We'll have to cover that on the show eventually. I say this all the time.

but yes it's noted in the back of our brain but the use of the mannequins in this one is really fun and it feels to me it feels out of place so i can feel like maybe that that was something added because it really it's saying i don't want to say it seems odd it is odd but it feels a little off in the movie but it works like i think that's the more uh intriguing part of this movie like the one part that i'm like

But we got an opening sequence, man. We got two people on top, you know, getting ready to make some sex. And you're like, okay, this is this movie. And then we go from, I guess they're up in lover's lane, basically is what it looks like. And then just a weird sequence where the guy walks over and just randomly sticks his head in the car to get a cigarette lit. Okay, can I have a light? I thought he knew the person. Oh, my God. Yeah, that was.

Who does that? Like, Ian, who sticks her head into a random car in the nighttime and says, hey, can I have a light? Well, and again, it's a different time. I mean, I, you know, back in the day for one of my sociology classes in college, I had to interview. someone you know and i ended up interviewing my grandfather just for like a life story and he had talked about at one point when he was in the marines or something he hitchhiked

All the way from North Carolina, I think it was, wherever Camp Lejeune is, back to Maine. I'm thinking that would not happen now. No, never. No, if you want to live, it wouldn't. Right. I think it's illegal in most places to do that now. Definitely in North Carolina it is. uh interesting but yeah this is it is a time period for sure but i like the title spasmo i like the artwork of the poster

white mannequin head with a hand coming out of it, which is really cool. We do have some key members in this movie. that we recognize one being ivan razimov yeah and you know it's it's interestingly pops up it almost reminds me of like um I don't know if you've like well I'll just use I'll just use interstellar for an example like when Matt Damon pops up in interstellar like

Towards the end for a quick scene, it's like, oh, there's Ivan Rassimov, you know, an hour into this movie playing, you know, a brief role. It's awesome to see him. And there were others I loved in this movie. And I've seen this guy before play villains, the guy who played Tatum, Adolfo Lestretti. He's awesome. He's one of my favorite parts of this movie. Agreed. Agreed. Susie Kendall, who most of us will know from Torso.

Susie Kendall plays Barber in this movie. Yeah, and Bird of the Crystal Plumage. She's actually dubbing her own voice in this, like she did with Bird of the Crystal Plumage. She did not dub her own voice in Torso. Yeah. Her character's interested in this. This is the one that you mentioned at the very beginning. She plays the quote-unquote whore. The sweet, sweet whore.

uh just an odd character placement in this movie you know we first see her lying face down in a on the beach sand and we think she's dead and then she's not and Then she appears and disappears throughout the movie. This is weird. Weird. But Robert Hoffman, who plays Christian in this movie, He's the lead character, and here's my problem with this movie is Robert Hoffman is, to me, kind of like a brick wall. It's like he doesn't give me enough.

I think he's fine, but not great. He doesn't make the movie any better or worse. It's funny. Troy Howarth would agree with you because in the commentary for Seven Bloodstained Orchids. He was talking about literally the three actors he doesn't like in Italian genre cinema. Antonio Sabato was one of them. Robert Hoffman was another. And Anthony Stephan was the other one. Wow. Wow. Interesting.

I wouldn't say he's the worst in my opinion. I've not seen as many as Troy has by any means. But Robert, for me in this movie, I think it's more the... uh the the appearance of him like he's so dry in this movie and to me it was just not enough motion, I guess you would say. I really wanted to see

I really want to see Ivan more in this movie. And then when he finally shows up, it's kind of, I don't want to say a waste. It's not. It's a good spot. But at the same time, I was waiting to see him more in this movie. And I would have liked to have seen it flip side on it. But now the movie itself, I mean, we got these moments in it that are unique as far as the characters of what we're watching. So the cast itself we're watching is...

Is it mental? Is it in your mind sometimes? Because there's mentions of, you know, like one scene where they're up in this tower or whatever, and the lead character's looking down, and he's saying, you know, see this guy, and the woman's like, who are you talking about? There's nobody down there. So there's these moments like almost mannequin-esque like or maniac where is this in his head or is this real, you know, those moments in it? Did you feel that throughout the whole movie?

Well, that's one of the aspects I actually enjoyed of it, because at the end, it is it is very rewarding when they explain it, at least to me. It was more rewarding than something like Footprints on the Moon, where there's really not much of an explanation at the end for that film. I actually thought this film came together really well at the end. Yeah, I agree with you.

So overall, man, this movie, let's get into it. Let's really break it down. So Spasmo, we're following these characters where they're trying to track down some things going on, right? He's trying to find the girl, first of all. Like, he sees this girl dead or thinks is dead on the beach. Then she's alive. Then she disappears. He finds a coffee mug thing like a thermos. And then he tracks her down to a yacht. And then he tries to...

you know, just finds this yacht out of nowhere, pops up on the yacht, you know, at a private party. And even the guy that owns the yacht comes up like, Hey, you enjoying yourself? Yeah. Like, you know, how'd you know about this place it's some random shit like that and then we just follow along that story man and and i love when the mannequins just randomly pop up in the movie like there might be

Just a mannequin off the side, hanging off a tree. Right, and they almost seem like a non-sequitur. Exactly. But they're not, as we find out eventually. And I'm not even spoiling anything by saying that because I'm not saying specifically what it relates to. I was actually really surprised by the end of this film when I watched it again. I did not remember it.

It actually the threads came together better on a second viewing. And I know I've always said that sometimes the second viewing of some of these films can be better. And that was. That especially applies to this movie. Agree. This was the first time I'd seen this one throughout. I think I've seen this before in parts, but I don't think I'd ever fully...

Or maybe I haven't, I just didn't recall. But re-watching it, other than the fact that I was kind of I don't want to say irked with Robert Hoffman's character. It was just throwing me off a wrong vibe. I still enjoyed where it went with it. I still enjoyed the process of the movie itself.

I had a lot of fun watching the movie. I just think I would have rather seen a different person playing the lead character for whatever reason. But the main lady in this movie that is his... sidekick what do you think of her besides barbara you're talking about monica monet yes clarinda yes well she's very um she's very striking uh she she's interesting because you don't you can't really get a read on her up until a certain point and then

She ends up being, I think, a little bit more involved in the plot than we would expect. And it's one of the first times there's a scene between her and Christian where you finally see... let's say, a bit of a different side of Christian than you've seen so far. I agree. Yeah, totally. She never did do much as far as in her career. It looks like she only had nine titles. Acting wise. Which is interesting because it doesn't.

Like I said, I think she has a very striking look. Because if I remember correctly, she has red hair and she has blue eyes, which is not very common. No, not at all. I remember Pearl even mentioned how striking she was as a redhead. She said,

She did, but she's nine titles to her credit, so it's odd that maybe she got married or maybe she wanted to do something else with her life, and that's fine. But overall, man, I think the movie does well for what it is. I think the mannequins work the best of this movie.

We got a lot of scenes with cliffs. We got the car off the cliff sequence in that we always love these little moments like Fulci would use and don't torture a duck on the different things when bodies are going off the cliff. Well, we got a car off a cliff.

uh which has kind of got a a moment in it where you know they're oh somebody was supposed to die and it's oh they did die because of this and then they realize that oh maybe not Yeah, and I got to point out, Guido Alberti is Malcolm, the older guy who shows up. He's funny and he's a good actor. Another one of these character actors, sort of like Claudio Gora in our last movie, actually, who just pops up in a ton of stuff.

euro crime movies especially uh in um in almost human he plays the father the father of the kidnapped girl in almost human so that's what i remember him most from i knew i had seen him he is such a recognizable And maybe it's just that face that you just think you've seen him in a million things, but he definitely – struck me as somebody i recognized right away and i loved it when he was on screen and my dad and i when we were watching this he got a kick out of a light he had when um

Robert Hoffman's talking about like, Oh, I killed that guy in the hotel room. And you know, Bernie's just like, Oh, I've often had strange hallucinations too. And my dad just laughed at that. Oh, he suddenly jumped to that. My dad was laughing at a lot of them. lines in this in a good way yeah he actually enjoyed this film from from what i remember quite a bit but yeah um that that was a funny moment um and you know as as the film goes on like

you really are wondering what's going on. Like, is this guy, you know, hallucinating? Is he schizophrenic or whatever you want to call it? Or How much are these people just messing with them? Like we've seen Lindsay films before where people try to get tormented. into madness, although normally it's a woman. So it's kind of interesting that they kind of flip it in this where it's this man who is, you know, psychologically fragile. Yeah, agreed.

I think the musical score in this one is one to be noted because of who it is, Inyo Morricone, who we know. I think it was largely original. I don't think he's repeating too much in this. It didn't sound like it. I will say it's not his best by any means, but it's Inyo Morricone and it's still really good. It's really good. which is always that moment.

That makes me say, yay, it's Ennio Morricone. Because I get excited when I hear his music. There's a lot of strings in some scenes in this movie, the string instruments. That is creepy and cool. I loved it.

uh just inyo man he just excites me man he is such a genius when it comes to to freaking music man oh my god but i love it and uh i can't say it enough ian when i watch this movie and i see a mannequin hot you know hanging off a tree or i see a mannequin in a bed being stabbed or i see a mannequin anywhere whatever reason I giddy a little bit. I get a little excited. Maybe I have a maniac excited me. Well, I mean, you know, maniacs is so good. It's just kind of.

Whenever you see it, for me, whenever I see like a mannequin in any movie, I think maybe he has. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's such an amazing film. Is that the movie, like if we were to break down movies with mannequins in it? Would that be the movie you think that would be like the upper Chalant, like that's the best movie with mannequins put in? I got to say, for me, I've not seen a ton of them.

But when you go Hatchet and the Honeymoon, and I know there's some others escaping me. Mannequin, the movie. I don't know. Well, that would be the obvious one, right? Right. Another one I enjoy, and this might be... It's been a while since I've seen it, so it might be more sex doll than Mannequin, but the movie Love Object, have you ever seen that? I have seen that, yes. Yeah, with Desmond Harrington. Yeah. I remember really liking that one.

I'm going to put maniac at the top. Cause that's the only one that really pops. Yeah. That one, that one would be at the top and the remake. Both of them really. Although does he do much with mannequins in the remake? I can't remember. I don't think not as much as he did in the original. I think it's more. It's more.

And you have that great scene, not to go off on a tangent, but you have that great scene where, you know, Joe Spinell does that monologue and it's just so fucking creepy hearing him talk to himself when he's in the hole. He's like. He's like, they'll take you away from me. All that kind of stuff. He's like, you're getting very, very messy and all that kind of stuff. Yeah. Yeah. Like Spinel is so great in that movie. Like, I love the fact that.

You know, this guy Joe Spinel was like, OK, I'm going to be on Francis Ford Coppola's set of The Godfather trying to do different things every day to learn how to make films. You know, he would go around. being a different member of the crew every day. That's why he made the second most amount of money on that film, because he was always getting residuals for being a different member of the crew, which, by the way, in the 80s when Joe Spinell was...

let's just say a hot mess off screen that those residuals are probably helping him out quite a bit. And then with this knowledge, he makes maniac, you know, it's amazing. I love it. I love it. So for me, I think the movie plays well. I think the reveal of what we find out at the end, does this play shallow for you? It definitely is a Jallo, but it's not your conventional Jallo, in my opinion. No, it's way more...

It's way more psychological and it doesn't even do some of the stuff. Lindsay's movies normally do. Like I'm going to read some notes here. Lindsay had talked about, okay. He was like, he said, likes how this film was about going through the psyches of individuals and people who indulge in life excesses and it paid for years later. That might apply to some of his other films as well. He said the story had death that he wanted to avoid the sexual aspect of the killer.

that had been exploited in so many movies, wanted to look at the psychological aspects as we all have a dark corner in our soul. And I thought that that was really introspective by him. I noted that. says normal people can explode into acts of madness any time. You know, he said his other films were like, you know, people were having existential crises that leads to murder, mostly in his jet set films, which are his favorite of his films. He said.

A lot of his other films are about the malaise of living on the VIP of high society. but he, he enjoyed that. He said he wanted this film to go deeper into the psychology of the characters and he rewrote it to have the mannequin stuff. Okay. I'm glad he put that in. I really am super glad he put the mannequins in.

The reveal at the end when we find out what truly is going on and we see there's like this flash sequence where they're replaying the murders, right? They're just kind of re... showing you what happened through the movie because we didn't see it you know as we're watching the movie Clever, liked it. I thought that was cool.

uh so overall man it's a fun it's got a 10 body count total in this one uh which is a 10 body count in the last one we had even though some of them are off kill and not necessarily by the killer same in this one But I enjoyed it. I thought the movie plays well. So what do you got on a dubbing? Well, and I'll get to that in a second. I just want to respond to what you just said.

You know, I think people who know me know that I'm not necessarily a big fan of offscreen kills, but even more so what irks me sometimes is when you don't even see the lead up to a certain kill. And this movie did that and it didn't bother me. It's kind of amazing that it didn't. Most of the time I would be bothered by something like that. And really here, it did not do that. You know, like that was one of the reasons why. And I know people love Maxine. It's just my.

personal viewpoint that that movie i didn't like it because not only did it not show the kills for a lot of the film it didn't even show the lead up to a certain amount of them and it it bothered me a lot in that film particular and here it didn't think because that's not what this film was going for I think it was going for that psychological aspect, and I think Lindsey made it.

you know, it basically made it feel that way in my mind where I wasn't thinking that way. So credit to this film for, for doing that before I, so now I'll go to the dubbing corner. I had Louis Cinelli is dubbing sunglasses guy, which is Franco Silva playing Luca. Luca. Yeah. Carolina Fonzica is dubbing Monica Monet as Clarinda. So you get the same voice between her and Rosella Falk in Seven Blood St. Orchids. Same voice.

Let's see here. Frank von Kugelen, who I don't think we had in the other movie. is dubbing Robert Hoffman. He's like Edward Mannix. He's one of the more recognizable voices he dubbed. Paolo Malco in House by the Cemetery of Newark Ripper. He dubbed Giovanni Lombardo Radice in Cannibal Apocalypse and House on the Edge of the Park. He dubbed Tomas Milian in Almost Human and the Tough Ones. His voice is everywhere in a lot of these films. Blu-ray released this. We know... Who was it? Oh, shoot.

Scorpion, I think, is the only... where did i read or is it in my brain i thought i saw somewhere where there was a 4k of this coming out am i wrong on that i might be uh oh that would be interesting maybe if film treasures or one of those companies i don't know uh Let me try to see if I can find anything. Yeah, it was something, and maybe it was a dream I had. I wish I had weird dreams. Maybe I was dreaming Spasmo 4K. Not seeing anything. Coming to a theater near you.

Maybe you were dreaming. I would like to see this one get a good release. This is fun. This is a fun one. This movie really impressed me the second time around. Yeah, I want to see it again. I really, now that I know truly at the end of the movie what had happened, I just really want to go back and see it from the beginning and see what happened. Antonio Milan did the cinematography. Really good cinematography in this one. We got some wide angle shots. We got some dream sequences.

Shot well at the night. Some cool stuff going on. I love the mannequin setups of this movie. It's just got a good feel of it. Once again, the only thing that hurts me a little bit in this one is... the lead character that's the only thing robert hoffman and it's not that he's horrible i don't want people to understand you know don't don't take me wrong it's not that he was horrible as acting it's just his facial expressions and everything irked me a little bit uh but i can't

fault too much of that in my ratings and everything but uh you got anything else before we get to our not necessarily uh i did enjoy that it was um i did enjoy the filming locations and apparently it was shot by uh orbitello tuscany Wow. Unique filming location with the lighthouses and everything. And this is not the first time Lindsay's done something like that. I remember A Quiet Place to Kill specifically. He had...

Sort of a unique secluded filming location for that as well. Yeah. Well, let's get to our rating on this one. I'm going to come in. Say I was eight for seven bloodstained. I can't say that I enjoyed this more than 7 Bloodstained, but I had a lot of fun with it. I'm going to stick with an 8 on this one, too. Where do you come in for a spat?

It would have probably been like a seven the first time I watched it. Now it's an eight. Okay. Eight for Ian. So definitely fun watches. Ian has posted in the group where you can check these out for free over on YouTube. I will tell you that if you look up... I believe it was, was it this one or Seven Bloodstained? It was... No, it was the Seven Bloodstained Orchid one. If you go and look that one up on YouTube and you check out that version, it looks good.

but it is not or no, it's this one. It's one of them.

uh no it's this one but anyways it's it's blurred like it's edited so you need to go to the shallow realm channel i think it was ian that you had mentioned on odyssey okay yeah there's one of them that is yeah and i know that odyssey is you know kind of for lack of a better way of saying it kind of a pain in the ass like i get it but you know that's the way you kind of watch it that's the way you kind of watch it um you can you can hdmi it through your laptop or um

Airplay it through your phone, I guess. Yeah, there's definitely one. It might have been the other one. Anyways, one of the two movies, if you watch it, it's edited. So just letting you know that you had to go. Odyssey had it without it being. So eight's for us. And we're not done yet because we actually have a voicemail to get to. And I cannot wait for this.

As I get the recorder up and everything. Neither can I. And that should have been your cue for what's coming up listeners. This is going to be fun. So I know Ian's going to appreciate it. We got a call from Ian's father. And it's going to be a blast. I have not listened to this, listeners. So this is going to be fresh on our minds. So let's get to it. Hey, this is for Black Gloves Mysteries. My name is Luke Urza. I have a review on Spasmo, the movie. A few observations.

The two brothers in this movie, Christian and Fritz, have schizophrenia in the family, apparently. It seems like neither of them recognize that actively. In the family history or themselves, although in the movie, apparently at the end, it tells us that it's an hereditary condition.

So during the movie, it seems like in order to take over the family business, Fritz enlists a number of people, Fritz is the older brother, enlists a number of people to convince his younger brother, Christian, that he's losing his mind. It appears the effect of this

is that Christian doubts himself, but in fact commits some murders he may not have committed without this campaign to commit him to an asylum. So, you know, his brother has enlisted a few people to try and make him... appear to be insane. And I feel like Christian may have done some things. that he wouldn't have done. So it seems like the schizophrenia or illness is awakened in him because of his older brother's efforts to take over the family business.

Conversely, Fritz, the older brother, begins his campaign to have Christian doubt his insanity, or his sanity, excuse me. Telling himself and others it's for Christian's own safety. However, when Christian supposedly dies, Fritz, the older brother, has little remorse for his primary role. and justifies the outcome of the death, saying Christian is safer or the community is safer.

with Christian dead. However, Fritz is actively engaged in his own abnormal behavior, stabbing half-naked mannequins and having a secret room. with several half-naked mannequins. Ultimately, in my view, Fritz knew he had a problem, evidenced the mannequins. Christian is the victim, I feel, in this. It seems he was driven and exposed to schizophrenia, causing him to do things he may not have done if that was not exposed or his brother hadn't pushed so hard to make him feel.

insane or schizophrenic or doubt his reality. And he got cut off, so let's go to a second column and then we'll respond to him. Hey, this is for Black Glove Mysteries. This is Luke Urza with a... Oh, well, some observations about seven blood-stained orchids. Okay, so I'm going to pause that. So let's go ahead and get to his spasmo. He got cut off at the end, but that was his spasmo.

rendition what'd you think of it ian well um he explained it well i'm glad that he actually watched a movie when he was here definitely tell um but also he made me think of something because We talked before about how a lot of these films will deal with... people trying to get an inheritance right and i think there was something i think there was something about him uh fritz wanting to take over the family business or something like that

but it was kind of vague in the film, but it kind of makes sense because there wasn't necessarily a clear motivation for him to do what he was doing to Christian. But that makes sense or to cover up his own issues. But I think it's a little bit of both. But he made me think about that more. Yeah, agreed. And like you said, it wasn't the main focal point. So it was kind of on the backdrop.

Uh, but I guess it was kind of in there for sure. So cool, man. Love that one. So let's get to his take on the seven blood stained orchids. A few observations about this, uh, story and movie. So two unforeseen plot twists, to me anyway. The Julia fake death and funeral and the twin sister twist with Anna and Maria both kind of throws you off a little bit. Just for a short period of time with the fake death and funeral and the twin sister thing. I thought that was kind of interesting.

and then some story observations, it struck me that the police seemed to seize on any opportunity to close the case. It seemed like they had a pretty narrow focus justifying their own theories and observations. But that also lends itself to, as the story goes, Mario kind of getting out on his own and being a little bit of a renegade and investigating things and his innovation. extends the investigation through various means. And it also struck me thematic through the movie is the church.

There were several scenes, including church and things. And I watched the movie with Ian, and almost at one point I said, the priest seems to be suspicious. That many references and scenes with the church should have led me to believe someone was involved. Overall, it was an enjoyable movie, but... said the priest did it, but I didn't get there until it was exposed, and then I kind of was in agreement with the plot.

But overall, it struck me a good movie, enjoyable movie. And thank you guys for doing the podcast. Bam. There you go, buddy. so that was yeah yeah you know what's what's interesting is um i remember watching and like we were we were talking like i think we even talked about that whole thing with the priest of like hey could it I think we even talked about that at one point, that it might be a little obvious who it ends up being.

Again, he did a great job because even I don't know the character names. I don't know if he was looking at Wikipedia or something as he was doing this, but great observations, great job of... showing that you had interest in the film.

and wanted to say things about it and yeah you did a better job than even i would have of knowing the characters normally i just named the actors so good job on that great job love hearing from your dad man it's awesome he came visit you and sat down and watched movies with you man it's freaking that's that's special and my dad doesn't really like horror movies but he's talked about how like look

These Italian movies, I'm starting to get used to them because I've, you know, I've showed him movies in the past and he's like, you know, that wasn't that bad. Like, I think he I think he had a different view of horror movies than he has now, mostly because of me, because.

The more he watches with me, especially the older ones, he'd be like, you know, this isn't as bad as I thought it would be. Maybe the modern ones are a little different. But for the most part, the older ones are are fairly tame. Like I remember him watching Black Christmas.

with me a few years ago and i'm talking about the 1974 black christmas and he's like yeah he's like that wasn't as you know that wasn't as bad as i thought it would be it doesn't mean bad as in terms of it's a bad film it just means bad in terms of the content or the violent content to be fair So that's kind of the way he is, but he's watched stuff with me that he would not have watched if it weren't for me, and he's ended up liking it or at least respecting it more. I love it, man.

cool uh so that is the black glove episode tonight we do have mortis vision coming up and pearl and i are back and we have a special uh A special surprise for everyone to listen to. I can't wait for y'all to check it out. Super fun episode. We've already recorded and it went. Just so awesome, man. I cannot wait for y'all to hear that. But let's go ahead and wrap this one up, Ian. Let's mention to the listeners, what are we going to be covering on episode 424, double double C?

All right, Ian, so what are we going to cover for the next episode of Double Double, which will be episode 425? All right, so we're going to start a director spotlight on Andrea Bianchi, who I would describe as sort of the king of outrageous moments in Italian genre cinema. And we're going to be doing...

cry of a prostitute and strip nude for your killer. He also went on to direct, uh, burial ground so that's the type of director we're talking about here that's why I describe him as the king of outrageous moments but uh cry of a prostitute and strip nude for your killer are the two we're going to start with there you go and then after that we've got a really cool surprise for you listeners that will not announce until the next one but we're super excited and uh

Yeah, so hold on to that. But what you got for closing here? So you can find me on Twitter, also known as X. Blue Sky at Instagram at Erzanomics. You can type my name in the letterbox if you want to add me on there. You can add me on Facebook at my name, Ian Erzo, which is I-A-N and I-R-Z-A. And this this was a fun episode. I enjoy talking about both these movies and.

Looking forward to the Andrea Bianchi spotlight and then our surprise coming for the next episode after that. It's going to be fun. Listeners, you're going to hang on. It's going to be super exciting. Stay tuned. I'll do my outros at the end of this episode, but stay tuned for Mortis Vision. For me, thank you for tuning in. I hope you enjoyed the section here. So with that said, we're going to do this as we always like to say. Get your jally.

LOTC presents Mortis Vision with Greg Amortis and the Twisted Temptress. Welcome to Land of the Creeps Presents. Mortis Vision with the Mortises. And I am Greg Amortis and... The Twisted Temptress. Ooh, Pearl. We're super excited tonight. We're back. Took a hiatus for a week or two. Yeah, sorry about that. I needed to recover and I did.

Hey, when you have to talk to Dave and Bill all the time, you've got to take a couple episodes off, right? Right. No, we're super excited. We've got a special guest on tonight. We cannot wait to bring them in. So, Pearl, do you want to do the honors or? Myself. But we got our guests. I will throw it to you. Throw it to me. All right. We got the curveball. Came in low and high and to the side.

It's a strikeout. No, we are welcoming him in. Just such a cool family. And I got to keep it PG here tonight. We got to be good, Pearl. We're always good. Yeah, that's true. We're angels. But no, we're welcoming him tonight. We got the family of John Cantu, as well as his kids, Eli and Lilo. We're super excited. Welcome to LOTC. Hello. Hi. Thanks for having us. Oh my gosh. I melt every time I hear you two. I swear. And you too, John. You got a sexy voice. But those two kids make me melt.

All I can do is like that high gets me every time. Y'all are sweet. Y'all are. So we're super excited, bro. We're going to be talking, I guess we call it gateway to horror movies. We'll be talking all kinds of stuff. We done told John and, of course, Eli and Lila that this is an SAT test we're having. Yeah, because we want to know the views from young minds. Not just our regular viewers and listeners, but...

A lot more to say than what we know. Hey, what would you do? We're not going there. We're not going there. Well, here it is. Here it is. Let's be honest. In the minds of a kid, I am a kid. I'm a 53-year-old kid. I like to have a lot of fun. I like to play with toys. Yes, I admit that. And I have no problem admitting that.

It's what I do, right? I'm a kid at heart. We're big kids at heart. And for myself, yes, plushies, candy, and all this other kind of stuff. So yeah. If you saw our house, you would think we were two years old. It would be okay.

but but i gotta do this like john i gotta know man like what got you into into horror itself how long have you been a horror fan all your life when did you start getting into horror movies and then we'll go over to uh of course the kids too and we want to or the young children we'll call them how's that i don't even call you children y'all are like adults Aren't y'all like 20 now? The youngsters. The youngsters. almost Lila sounds like she's 19 and I think

Eli, you might be 20, right? Am I close? Yeah. 13. Okay, you last 13. Lila's... I'm nine and a half. No, we're super excited. But John, I want to know, man, where did your horror love come from? Actually, it was probably when I was little and we had a babysitter and they were watching Nightmare on Elm Street. I kind of snuck around the corner and started watching with them.

Of course, I wasn't supposed to. It scared the bejesus out of me. So then we tried to explain to my mom that, no, no, I didn't watch it. I was just having nightmares. But then one of the first ones I actually got to watch with my family on purpose was The Dark House. Yes. And so I watched that one with my grandparents. And my grandma the whole time is trying to wash through her fingers, saying it's way, way too scary and just saying, I want to see something funny.

I want to see something funny. So for me, that's like one of my, at least the sentimental favorites of like every horror movie out there. okay i love the dark half by the way that is such a good movie and it will probably come up on the next episode of lotc just throwing a little spoiler out there because We are doing our top fives in 1993, and that may or may not pop up on the list. I'm just saying.

maybe on mine too I love it so that's cool so uh youngster babysitters horror movies that screams about every one of us i think we all got our start from the babysitter syndrome That one babysitter that came over. As long as you don't have the babysitter like from the Amityville Horror Remake. I don't know Eli or Lila if you've seen that movie yet, but I'm just saying. It was such good quality, y'all.

that babysitter was not the best babysitter in the world so i don't know what babysitters y'all might have or or john if you had you know what your babysitter was like my babysitter was cool i had a few of them but there was one she was hot

like she was hot she was she was she probably wasn't but for me at my age i thought she was like the bee's knees of all all women right so i'm like trying to be all macho like i don't need sitter and i'm watching a horror i can't remember what i was watching either it was something like I mean, literally, it would have been something equivalent to the burbs or something. And I remember being freaked out so bad, but I couldn't show her I was scared because I'm trying to impress her.

You know, she's a lot older than I am. And I'm like, you know, like she would ever date a kid that's like 20 years younger than her. But it's okay. My babysitter, she was a very attractive young lady, I think. I had the advantage of babysitting.

And that's the thing that I wasn't supposed to be watching this. Like the babysitter had like a friend over and they were watching it. And I was like sneaking from behind the corner, you know, behind the wall and just kind of like laying down and peeking behind the couch. So they didn't even know I was there. You sneaky, sneaky guy. And I'm sure Eli and Lila, you never do that with your dad, right? If he's watching something really scary, you're not sitting around. Never.

no definitely not no we would never do such things as that i remember oh my goodness i've told this story on here before pearl i remember um I was watching Pet Sematary. No, not Pet Sematary. I was watching Salem's Lot. It's that infamous scene on Salem's lot, the rise of the vampire, right?

And that scene's creepy, right? I don't care what age you are, that's a creepy scene when Orlok kind of rises up. I remember my son, I didn't know he was in the room, and he at the time was petrified of horror movies. He was behind my chair, had snuck up and was trying to watch the movie. He saw that scene, and all I heard was a blood-curdling scream of terror. He was scarred for life, man, over that scene. you weren't supposed to be watching what are you watching this for but

So, yeah, don't do that. Don't do that, Eli. Y'all don't do that. Yeah, I think the closest we've had to that is I've been watching some stuff, and then Layla will come through, and I'll just hear. What are you watching? Oh, nothing. Let me change that real quick. You weren't supposed to be near. Yeah, I didn't know that was on. I was flipping channels. We are not watching scary movies. I can confirm that.

So, Pearl, we got some stuff that we were going to throw at all of them, but especially Eli and Lila, because we want to think through the minds of the young. Because, you know. Yeah, because...

It says that the percentage has risen in this new generation. It's risen by 28% that they're saying that young horror fans are a lot braver than we used to be. I believe that. I believe it too. And it all depends on how their parents... you know, talk to them if they choose to show them horror movies, you know.

It's good to explain what you're gonna watch, what's true or not true, etc, etc. But they're saying that the 28%, the type of horror movies that they're watching, I'm sure everyone's different, but we want to see what young minds think. Yeah, that's exactly right. And I want to send this over to you, John, because I want to know.

You know, kind of your, how old were Eli and Lila when you first introduced them to some horror? And what was kind of some of the first movies you kind of opened them up? Well, one of the first ones, especially when they were little and not quite really understanding things, we actually watched a few of the Friday the 13th with Eli. Nice. And he actually fell asleep in the middle of the third one.

But without nightmares or anything, he was like good with it. Okay. But then once they started getting older and as I become aware of what they can both handle. Yeah. So like other movies I can watch with Eli, you know, I can't necessarily watch. with lila because part of it is i do want them to love horror and if i go out and throw them something that i know that's way too much for them i don't want them to hate it because i discard and traumatize them and put them away from it forever

That is. I mean, because that's like myself. Like, I come from a horror family. I was thrown right into it young. I might have not understood it by two or three. But at four and five, I knew I loved it. I loved it a lot. My sister, no. She gets scared of a drop of a pin falling if it's dark and everything. So I know what not to show her.

You know, so she's way different than me. Yeah. But you get to learn what, she's more of the sci-fi alien kind of movie. I'm everything. Well, see, that's, you know, with my kids, my son is five years older than my daughter, so. When I first introduced my son to horror, he was able to handle a little more harder movies than my daughter ever was. My daughter's not really a horror fan even today.

She's trying, but like she was more like I showed her Tucker and Dale versus evil. Such a fun movie. And she loved it. Dead snow. She loved it. So I found out really quickly like Shaun of the Dead and those type movies that are humorous. with a horror 10 she was good with my son started becoming more of the hardcore give me you know slashers give me these things so Eli I'm gonna go to you what what kind is your bread and butter what's those type movies you like is it

Scary movies? Is it comedy horror? whatever, what kind are your favorite to go to? Well, out of all horror movies I have seen, Like with Insidious, that's probably one of my favorite horror movie series ever. So I'd say I really enjoy movies that give lots of jump scares and don't like totally overdo the blood everywhere. I got it.

Because, like, how they did Halloween was perfect. But then with Nightmare on Elm Street, that might be a little bit too much with the guys' blood going everywhere out of the bed. So it sounds like Paranormal definitely for you, a little bit more of those thriller movies. Yeah, okay. That's cool. And I love hearing that from you, too, because Insidious is...

It's a freaky movie for me to watch, man. If the lights are out and you turn the volume up, and forget it if I'm on a laptop with earbuds in. Forget it. I'm not watching it. Because it's just not going to happen. So to hear that, that's really cool. So I got to go to you, Lila. What are your go-tos? Are you more into the comedy horror? Do you like maybe old school black and white horror? Where's your flavor at? Definitely comedy horror. Or mysteries. Ooh. Nice.

I've got to know, have you ever seen the movie Clue? No, I don't think so. I've played the game Clue. Nice. Okay, not really a horror movie, but I was curious. John, we know. Have you seen Clue, John? I should ask you that first. Yes, and Layla did, but she probably doesn't remember. She was so little. Okay. That was a movie because it is that mystery. Yeah, I remember it. Nice.

so mystery comedy i like it so have you seen or dale and tucker versus equal i'm sorry no okay that one might be a little ooey and gooey because there is some ooey gooey moments in it so i i don't know that might be one that Your dad can introduce you to a little bit later on. And Shaun of the Dead. Yeah. What about Shaun of the Dead? Have they seen Shaun of the Dead?

No, they haven't seen that one yet. That's pretty hardcore, though. That's got a lot of blood. I think Zombieland's a little tamer than that. Yeah, but Zombieland, I mean, with the humor, but Zombieland has... That's some pretty grotesque scenes in there too, so yeah.

I get it. Okay. So I'm starting to feel your flavor. I'm already seeing a little bit of this. So that's cool. So we know that your favorite movies now. So Eli, you're a little bit more into the supernatural and all those little creepy jump out. Maybe Evil Dead movie in the newer version because there's a lot of them in your face.

Do you scream? Are you a screamer, Eli? Do you ever jump out of your... I really do not scream. Okay. I mean, I think the worst I've ever done is jump because sometimes when... It's funny because sometimes me and my dad are watching movies like Insidious. He'll just randomly jump scare me. It's like there's a quiet part of the movie and he'll randomly just jump at me. I'm like, come on.

I'll try to get him back, but he's just like, that did not get me. And then he does it again, and I get scared again. I can't say nothing. I do that to Greg. He does it. Yeah, she does it every day. And I literally tell her it doesn't do anything, but I'm inside. I've done jumped out, and I'm screaming like a little girl inside because she scared me.

I try not to let her know it sometimes. I'm like, yeah, that didn't bother me. And inside, I'm like, ah! And I'm laughing. I'm laughing. She's evil. All right, Lila, do you jump? Do you scream in your movies? scream a little bit she screams a lot i figure i'm figuring lila would be the screamer and the giggler i love the giggle

The giggle is awesome. Do not lose the giggle. I'm thinking Dr. Giggles right now. One day you'll get to watch that movie and you'll know what we're talking about. I love it. All right, Pearl, what you got to throw at him? You know what? I want...

I want to know, like, if you guys had the chance to make a movie, because you know what you like already, what would it be? What kind of movie? So, I know I said, like, you know, I'm into the super... supernatural paranormal but if i could make a movie because i would probably make one that's like post apocalyptic because i

There are a few movies like that, but I think there could be more and I really do enjoy it. And I think if there were more of them for me to watch, I think that could maybe be my favorite. Nice. More like robots or zombie apocalypses. Or even just like after a big war or something and there are a bunch of mutated animals everywhere. Wow. I think that could be cool. Nice. He's a fighter. That's a good answer.

That is awesome. That is. All right, Lila, what would you, if you were going to make a movie, what would it be? I would try and find like an interesting true story. A true story? I would want it to be like kind of scary. Scary and like interesting and I would make it kid-friendly and it would be a comedy. I would add into my funny moments Nice. All right, I'm watching both y'all's movies. I don't know what it's going to be, but I'm in. I'm in for this.

Have either one of you seen the movie Scary Stories to Tell in the Dark? Yes. I have. Nice. Are you afraid of the dark? it's a different movie it's similar yeah but definitely different is have you read the books yeah have you read the books i don't think so okay I hadn't either. I had never read the books, and I watched the movie, and I thought the movie, we went silent in the theater, and we was like, it's pretty good.

I think if I had been, you know, versed in the books, I would have understood a little bit more. But it's still a fun watch. You know, I like kind of dig the special effects. Especially when you lose your big toe and a big spider comes out of your cheek. Yes, yes. Okay. All right. So I got to know this, John. I know you got to be a fan of this. I'm hoping you're a fan of this. I'm one of the biggest Goosebumps fans there ever was. I love Goosebumps. I loved them as a kid.

I love the books, and I absolutely love the movies. The Jack Black ones are great, but I remember the original Goosebumps movies, which were, some of them were like 30-minute segments or something like that. I got to know, have either of you seen, and John yourself as well, have you seen Goosebumps? Yes. Yeah, that was definitely one of the ones we showed them.

So they've gone through pretty much all of the old seasons. Oh, okay. And we're going through the new ones they're doing now on Hulu. And so I think, yeah, because I think they love that Haunted Mass. which I think was a movie they turned into like three episodes. Yes.

that one freaked Laila out a little bit but they they loved that show we've probably gone through it but two or three times now yeah i'd probably say so about that the haunted mask is my favorite of the whole series and the book is really good uh but the story the blonde haired girl man she was so creepy when she put that mask

on i was terrified of that girl man i'm like what at first i was like i would put that mask on you know the only thing that bothered me was the gummy bears oh yeah because you can't eat them instead they were chasing you oh you're talking about the movie though yeah the movie Yeah, that's horror for me. When you can't eat candy and it's chasing you, no. Don't eat the gummy bears because they'll join forces and make one big giant gummy bear come at you.

I know, right? So cool. All right, so Goosebumps, I love it. I love that you love Goosebumps. I'm a big fan. What is my other favorite love? This might be a little... Afraid of the dark? Yep. Are you afraid of the dark? Are you fans of that show, or is that a little too... Yeah. Okay. Oh, yes! I love Are You Afraid of the Dark, John. I'm a big fan, buddy. The new ones are amazing.

I don't really watch the new one. No, that all scares me way too much. Even the little carnival one at the beginning. Yeah, that was the one. Okay, but I do have to admit the second season with that shadow figure, that one was like, this is Nickelodeon? Holy cow. It was like, wow, you think this would be some...

Maybe Paramount Plus. Maybe. Right. I would have guessed Hulu. I love it. Yeah. So, yeah, we exposed them all to that, and it's kind of like the progression. So, it started with a few spots, and we went to Are You Afraid of the Dark. Mm-hmm. And like I said, the new seasons, I don't know if you've seen any of the new ones, but instead of being one story per episode, it's one story for the entire season. Okay. Each season is its own story. So the.

first season was like carnival of doom yes and then the second one is uh shadow figure of the world yeah and then like i said so each one's its own separate story I love it. I've seen season one. I loved the carnival guy. I thought that was awesome. And I'm a big carnival guy. And I like how they did where it... They tell the story of first, but it comes to life. I really like that. So they still have like the... Old episodes inside of them, they still keep the original.

But the story has just come to life. I love it. Which I think is cool. I love it. Y'all are young. freaking get me now now have you guys seen it's appropriate for ages 7 through 15 it is on netflix and it's called creeped out have you guys seen it yay i'm so glad John Pearl is obsessed with that show. You don't remember creeped out? I remember the creepy mouth. Yeah. I think probably my favorite episode was probably the one with the phone where the It's Siri type thing went against.

That kid, I thought that one. was really good or even the one where it's like the like cub scout people and that blue ooze stuff gets inside of them and takes them all over i thought both of those were pretty cool yeah that was an awesome one when the music would distract you know the evil thing that yeah pearl was like watching this like non-stop in the middle of the night i'd wake up it'd be on or i'd go to work and come home it'd be on or

getting ready to go to work in the morning, it would be on. What was the one with the electricity guy? Wasn't that creeped out? Yeah, season one. Okay. The blue guy, the blue bass. Yeah. Well, the reason I also mentioned it, because this came out in 2017 and season two, 2018. By popular demand, they are finally bringing it back. So there's going to be a season three coming soon. Really? I did not know that.

They said that they're trying to aim for the end of this year, but more than likely it's going to be the beginning of next year. But it is coming. And I am super excited. I know you guys will be too now. Is this the one that goes... Yeah. Yeah, the whistler. The whistler. Yeah, because remember at every episode, it would whistle. Yeah, if the kids could whistle, they would demonstrate. I can't whistle. You don't go throw me under the bus like that. I can't.

yeah i can't whistle either so it's all good it is all good well cool cool man i'm loving this i'm loving it so john what are uh like some of the movies that you're preparing your your uh children on right now what are some of them that are in the back burner you hadn't done yet but you're fixing to throw at them if you want to tell them you might be wanting to keep it surprising that's perfectly

I won't tell them everything, but the original Evil Deads, because that blood and gore is so over the top, I don't think that would get them as much as the newer ones. Yeah. But because I know Eli's 2 was super excited because Insidious 6 was supposed to come out and that got delayed. Yeah. And so right now we're just kind of going through the...

Doc Shop Challenge. Nice. And we're going to go through those. And so Lila's getting her exposure to black and white. Okay. I'm going to have to pass on that black and white.

Eli's doing his PG-13s. And like I said, so far it's been good. And like I said, they're liking that. And then from there, just as they react to different things, then I kind of... have other ideas and movies you can watch and and even like some of the older r-rated movies that i've already seen that i know that okay this isn't too bad and I know they can handle it and some of them I'm like okay there's no way they're going to watch this yet sadly

You got lots of time ahead of you to watch a lot of movies. Yeah, they're not going nowhere, so you'll have plenty of time. Oh, yeah. I feel like... And Lila, I know you're watching some old movies now, so I know if you think... back now you're nine years old nine and a half the good half yeah so at nine and a good half if you're watching a movie from 1940 say dracula or you're saying whatever, this old house or, you know, some movie like that.

But compared to movies that are made today, they're completely different, right? They're scarier. I feel like we're living in that time where I think because of regular TV, John, I think because just commercials alone can be scary. So I think that society's scary. You know, there's a lot of scary stuff out there. I think people are a little more susceptible when filmmakers are making movies. Like, okay, this is a given. We can go ahead and at least give them this already.

does that make sense like you know it's okay to go ahead and do this well back in 1934 35 they would have not been as acceptable. ease it into this so i feel like that movies are different now i just feel like the filmmakers are already coming at it like a point of view of you know kids are going to be okay with this no matter what even if it does have some murder in it

It's okay. Kids are used to murder, right? Because they play video games, so I think we can get away with it. It's just weird. Wait a minute. I hear you laughing over there. Are you a gamer, Eli? Very much. Uh-oh. 24-7. You've been told on. Lila, you play video games? depending on the game not usually though okay yeah basically just like mobile games for but actually i plan on since i'm uh mowing i'm planning on getting a game called

Phasmophobia. Have y'all heard of that? I have not So basically it's this game where you and it can be friends or bots or just you on your own. Go and investigate haunted places. And have to figure out what ghost is haunting that area. Nice. And it looks really fun. That sounds really scary, too, so I probably couldn't play it. Oh, yeah. It's crazy. That does sound fun, though.

It does. I can't do scary games. I'll be honest. I just don't. Well, anything with a lot of motion, I can't either, but I'll play baseball. I'll play. Yeah, you guys would laugh at him. I've seen him, how he plays the horror games, and he'll be like, no, no, wait. Don't go there. No, well, come on. Oh, I died. Donna, I died. I died. I gotta go back and play Castlevania on Nintendo so I know I can play that.

You know, they're not as scary, right? Yeah. It's funny watching you because he'll die like about six times and within three minutes before like anything. Yeah. I'm really bad at games. I like games too, but I'm... I don't read the rules. I just press a lot of buttons. And that's how I learned. That's how I figured out. There you go. Thank you then. That's a lot of words, and I agree to them. Rules are for dummies. We know that. Rules are for rule followers. Yeah.

Rule followers, they're boo. Who wants to follow rule? That's right. I love it. So I want to know this now. There's a series that's coming out called What's the New? So we got Goosebumps. Let's see. Goosebumps hasn't been out in a while, though. When's the new movie? Isn't there a third one coming or am I thinking out? I heard about it. I don't know if there's a movie but they just released a new season on that TV show. Nice.

And that is on, you said Hulu? No, I saw something online and they're saying there's a third Goosebumps movie coming out this year, I think, Halloween. again i love it yeah this one's gonna be about uh not even about slappy this time it's gonna be about some other thing i need to find that post again there's no slappy what's the point exactly it's gotta be about

We can't not do a movie with us. They're trying new things, okay? Yeah. No, don't. No, I think this one was supposed to be about the witch or something. Oh, okay. Is the witch? What about Fear Street? Have you seen any of the Fear Street? I watched those, but they haven't watched it yet. Okay. Because I was like...

I heard about them and the wife, my wife had read the books. Yeah. And so I was like, well, I know there are all science. I want to go check them out. Yeah. So I wanted to see it first because usually with anything new or if I'm not sure about it, I try to watch it first before. Smart. So I know if I need to prepare the kids. Yeah. They're a little harder. You know, the three B's of horror. Yeah. There's too much of one particular. Yeah. I kind of have to.

take that one out of them for now yeah they're a lot tamer than prior 13 so well i don't know i mean the fear streets are pretty creepy i mean there's some scenes in there that imagery was it's pretty It's definitely pre to post teen. I wouldn't, me personally, I would say I don't think I would let my daughter.

If my daughter was Lila's age, I'd be like, probably not right yet. I'll ease you in a little bit later. You know, without me, well, At 13, I feel like I would probably introduce you to, there's one of them that was kind of a... Not the first one. I think you know what I'm talking about, John. The first one, which was 1978. No, 78 was the second one. I want to say 1990s was maybe the first one. There was one where there's a lot of blood, like a lot of blood. And I was like, yeah.

Yeah, that one I would probably say not. Well, that was, uh, 94, 78, and... Part 3 was 1666 okay yeah 16 yeah that's the witch one uh spoiler it has to be 94 yeah it's probably 94 was pretty hardcore i'd probably let you watch like 78 personally i would probably i think maybe but then there's a lot of bliss i don't

I know Layla wanted to see that one just because it had Max from Stranger Things. Oh, yes, Max. I love it. So, Stranger Things, y'all big fans? Oh, yeah. We're excited for season five to finally come out. She watched it. She watched it halfway. She wanted to finish it. How far have you seen Layla?

I watched season one and half of season two. Okay. Okay. And then our parents cut her off and said, nope. Yeah, it's getting... It made me watch YouTube kids. It's getting darker. I mean, I'll be honest. She got sent to the tablet. To the tablet. Well, that's okay then, yeah. Fear Street would be... To the tablet you go. Here's a tablet, some headphones, and an umbrella to block your eyes. There you go. Peppy the pig it is. Through the closet you go. You have been banished.

But it's okay to be there, Lila. Don't let that affect you because it's good to be in that little room. The closet ain't that bad. No. Absolutely not. You know, a little two foot by two foot place. It's all good. So let's go to you, and I'm going to go to you too, John. So let's go to you, Eli. What movies would you recommend, horror movies, scary movies, what would you recommend your friends to watch, or do you recommend any to your friends to watch?

So I have one friend who is like, no whore, no whore. But, uh. If he was like, okay, I'm gonna try horror, right? I would honestly tell him, let's not start off with anything too scared. And then I'd tell him to watch Insidious. So then he would be so scared that he would probably, uh, unfriend me. Yeah. But like, okay, but on seriousness, if I was actually going to recommend, I'd probably say Five Nights at Freddy's, actually. Okay. Like, that was a really good one. Not too terribly scary.

Based off of very popular games that he probably knows what they are. I'd be very shocked if he didn't. But yeah, that'd probably be the one I'd recommend. But for someone who's watched Tor, I'd actually probably recommend Insidious if they've never watched it. Nice. I have never seen Five Nights at Freddy's, so I've got to watch it, but I've never played the games either.

The games are really good, but I think it was the third one. Yeah, the third one me and none of my friends really liked. Like they were trying to try something new and it just didn't work. I got you. All right, Lila, you're at school or you're doing whatever and you got your friends. What's a horror movie or a scary movie that you'd recommend your friends to watch? Um, one would be, are you afraid of the dark?

Then Goosebumps, the movie or show, Monster Squad and Halloween. Yes, Monster Squad. Yes, I love that movie. Oh, that is such a fun movie, man. That one is like that one and the burbs. I don't know if you've either one of you been able to watch the burbs. Those two movies are like my go-to. If I recommend to a younger generation, I'm like, go watch.

those two movies because they're fun, but they have scary elements as well, so it's a lot of fun. The Burbs, John, have we introduced them yet? Not yet. No, you guys haven't, but that's one we talked about for the... director showcase if we did Joe Dante. No. We can do the gremlins and then birds. Oh yeah, gremlins, yeah. Cool. So I like it. Goosebumps, you're saying, and then.

and uh getting them in there either movie or series i like it lila you're doing good doing good so from there john what would you recommend to any of your younger generation if you well you're You're clearly younger and I am a lot younger, but what would you tell the audience if you were talking to somebody younger? Like, what would you recommend? I'd try to tell them more, kind of like the lines like Lila Neely were saying, more like that comedy whore.

where it's going to have the element kind of like monster squad where it has those scary moments but it's not so scary It's going to keep you from watching it. So this way, like I said, because I want them to be able to like it. You've got to kind of know the kid and know what they can handle.

Like I said, I could give something to Eli that Lila could not. So I think it was kind of like Monster Squad. Something like in the PG's, PG-13's. Like Poltergeist, that was kind of a split. You know, it's PG. Great movie. Technically. Eli liked it. It was just a little too much for Lila. Yeah. And so it...

So that's why I think something more like Monster Squad, where it's more a kid-centric movie, so this way they can do that, or like the Goosebumps, because it's going to have those moments, but not... overwhelm some of them and this way everybody should be able to like it and kind of get a feel and from there based on how they react to different parts of it you can kind of tell what they're ready for

I like that too. And I think maybe movies that are, like you said, kid-centric. So it's something, you know, because in Monster Squad, the heroines of the movie are kids.

you know you have a lot of kid actors and you can relate to them as a youngster so i get that that's really cool there's another one out there too and it night of the creeps i'm a big fan of might be a little much with the element of what's going on i'll not spoil it for your children might not have seen it but Night of the Creeps, I would be kind of like, my son watched it at an earlier age, I would say probably pre-15-ish, and he was kind of cool with it and actually liked it.

growed on them more he watched it was like oh wow i really like this one daddy i'm like yeah it's a cool movie see that's one of them it's got tom atkins in it you gotta love it but it's a cool movie and uh so movies like that definitely like because my kids

Much like what you're doing, John, I had to kind of do the same thing. But my daughter was just still even at the age of 14, 15. She's like... i ain't having it i don't you know she just never really got into the horror genre so you know i had to be really baby feeding her into horror movies uh that's why i introduced her to dale and tucker

And then she was like, oh, I loved it. And the whole time she's watching, she's got her fingers over her eyes like she's scared. But at the same time, she starts laughing. And I'm like, see, this is fun, right? And she's like, okay, Dave, that was actually okay. I'm okay. I'm like, well, good. So what else you got over there, Pearl, that you want to throw in? The only movies I was thinking in my head are more kid-friendly, you know, like witches.

And like Hocus Pocus. Of course Nightmare Before Christmas. Scooby Doo movies. you know all those are the fun ones yes we've knocked those out too They saw both versions, the Angelica Houston one and the newer one. Nice. Which one did you prefer, the newer or the original? I like the original. Maybe that's just more of the nostalgia. Yeah. How about you guys? Which one? That was the one where they turned into mice, right? Yeah.

This might just be because most of the movies I watch have kind of spoiled me into the new, better looking 4K quality. I'd personally say the new one. Like, just like I'd probably say that for everything, like The Lion King, everything, just because I feel like now modern movies have kind of spoiled my taste in movies. Yeah. I'd probably say. I think that's fair to say. Definitely no.

I got to know, did it freak you out when she took her hair off and she was bald and she's like floating in the air? That was a creepy scene in the new one. I'm telling you, that movie's actually, and the original too, is really a scary film if you really think about it. These kids are killing them. That's not good. That woman promised me a bar of chocolate.

Yeah, and again, it's the kids in there. It's why they kind of like it. So even with the Halloween series, I hope it's not going to disappoint you too much, Greg. But their favorite ones are the Jamie Lloyd movies because you're following. the kids, you know, you're following her. And so they, they actually like, you know, four and five there better than one and two. Like they ranked number one and they're last as last out of the top six.

or six yeah and and i can see that like i mean um the four and five i can totally get it because of the children's side and those are good movies i actually like four a little more than five but i'm okay with four for sure and five six i've grown on six Used to not really care for that movie, and it's really grown on me. So I'm actually okay with that, especially from a younger viewer. I know one is a little more dated, so to speak, so I can totally get that.

If you've never had babysitters, it really doesn't really resonate with you like it would somebody of our age. uh so yeah i can totally totally get that i know one of jay the dead's favorite movie gateway movies and this is a cartoon animated movie okay so it'd be more of the cartoon side I gotta see if you've seen it. If you had, what do you both think of it? But his favorite movie, it's a 10 out of 10 for him, is Monster House. Oh, yeah, because that's the one with, like, the family, right?

the one that where the family turns into. Monsters, right? Or was that just Monster Family? No, that's Monster Family. You're thinking Monster House is the one with the... Yes. Yep. Yeah, you nailed it, Lila, the bone in the yard. Yep. That is Jay of the Dead's favorite go-to of age movie because he absolutely loves it. And I don't fault him for that at all. It's such a fun movie to watch. You mentioned Lion King earlier. Man, I absolutely love the...

Newer version of Lion King. I have not seen Mufasa yet. We have got to go see Mufasa. Mufasa's pretty good. Nice. I love the other one now. I loved the one that came out a couple years ago. Pearl and I went and saw it like four times in the theater and took my mom and dad to go see it. They come and visit me. I was like, Mom, Dad, let's go. We got to go watch Lion King. I love the Lion King and Mufasa. I've got to go see it.

Do you like the old animated or the new live action that's still technically animated? What would be y'all's opinion on those? Me personally, I actually really liked the live animated. I thought they'd done such a really good job with the animation of it looking real. I think my heart will always love the original because of the music and because I grew up with it.

I'm going to lean toward the original, but I would be honest, like I would have no problem with that one disappearing and all I knew was the new live animated. I'd be totally cool with that. I completely agree with you on that one, except I'm leaning. on uh live action if you can even technically call it that i think with me it'd be like it depends on the movie like the little mermaid the original not the new snow white

I can go with the new. Lion King would be so hard. They'd be split half and half because I love them both. They did so good with that new Lion King. And Maleficent. You know what? I love Sleeping Beauty. It's my favorite Disney movie, but only because of the villain. I like the villain. Of course you do. So I would have to go with the real one with Angelina Jolie. So it'd be back and forth. Okay. All right. So Lion King for me, I'm going to lean toward live animated.

Did you watch those with him, John? Yes. I don't know if I saw the new Lion King, though. The live-action version Lion King. I've seen the boss in the original Lion King, but I don't think I saw... The new Lion King. Oh, you gotta go see it. It's so good. I've always saw it in theaters, do we not? You guys might have went out. Oh, that's true. Now I'm just waiting for Lion King to become a what's the right one.

uh public to where anyone can use it like how mickey mouse and stuff is and i'm just waiting for a lion king horror movie like mickey's mouse trap and winnie Winnie the Pooh, Blood and Honey.

I'm waiting for Lion King to wear Lion King something. Coming back from the dead. That would be so cool. Mufasa's revenge or something. Yeah. They would have to make a really, really... evil looking scar yeah scar needs to be evil for sure or it could be like seriously that could be that'd actually be really good something like mufasa's revenge where he like comes back to take him out And we're going to copyright that so no one can steal that. That's right. It's been patent right now. Bye.

Yeah, there you go. That's a Cantu original. Y'all cannot touch it. You heard it on LOTC first. Great job. Y'all need to write that script and go ahead and put it out. I think it could be a hit. Corpse Bride. Any fans of Corpse Bride? Have we seen that movie? I don't know that they've seen that one. It's dark. No, I don't think you've seen Corpse Bride. What about Beetlejuice? We've seen all of them The second one I think they could have done better same The house with a clock in its wall.

Yes, they have seen that one. That one was so good. I think I'm probably going to watch that again now because I forgot about it. Actually, I'm probably going to watch that tonight. Thank you. You're welcome. I'm a big Jack Black fan. So anytime I see Jack Black in a movie, I'm like all about it. I'm like, all right, I'm in. So I love that. Well, the Minecraft movie came out today and he's Steve for some reason. What? What about you, Leila? Have you seen it? How should the clock enroll? Yeah.

yes i love it i love the little kid in that movie man he's so good remember the boy yeah With his kind of silly looking glasses. Yes. He kind of has them Harry Potter glasses. I've seen Enola Holmes. Which one? Enola Holmes. Enola Holmes. I don't know that one. That sounds familiar. It starred the...

One from Stranger Things 11. Yeah. With Millie Bobby Brown. Oh, yeah. It's basically Sherlock Holmes' sister. Oh, my goodness. I had not even heard of this one. Yeah, it has Superman in it. I've seen... of them. They were so good. Is that like a TV series? Okay. And TV shows, I think. Okay. There is two movies. Oh, two movies. Never mind. I did not even know this existed, but I'm looking at it right now, and I'm a big fan of Eleven, so I will totally be into this show right here for this movie.

Another great one? Yeah, she's my favorite character. She's my favorite actor. And from everything, she's the only one I know, but she's still my favorite. That's all that matters. I love it. I'm putting that down. Enola Holmes. We're going to two hours and three minute movie. Wow. PG 13. I think there are two of them, right? Yeah. Another great one, I don't know if y'all have seen it, but, uh, The School of Good and Evil. Oh, yeah. Oh, I was barely getting into that. So far, I'm liking it.

Yeah, that movie is really good. And then again, me personally, I love the dark fantasy, so that's a watch for me, definitely. Y'all are getting me into some stuff now. I'm starting to look. So The School of Good and Evil. Okay, I see it. I have seen you watch that, Pearl. I have seen you watch some of that. Okay. All right, cool. I'm marking down. All right, so cool. I got me a couple marked down. So let's see here, Pearl. Where are we going to go next? Where do you want to go?

i am not sure i think we covered a lot yeah i like you so this is fun so john what um what would you be wanting to tell the younger audience right now if they're tuning in what would be something that you would like to just you know kind of convey to them about you know maybe teaching children

You know, the horrors of horror movies or that, what would be that one thing if somebody was tuning in? What would you want to let them know? Know what your kids can handle. And as long as you find movies like that and slowly work them up. you'll have another generation of fans coming up with you.

I love it. Like I said, I already know what Eli can handle and know what Lila can handle and what they both can handle and what my wife can handle. Like I said, my wife, Evil Dead, the new ones, not at all. But, yeah, she's still mad at me for that. Yeah. She literally brought, I didn't go, we were at my grandparents' house, but she literally brought a blindfold and we blindfolded her the whole time. Oh, man.

Oh, man, that's, yeah, okay. But, like, Thanksgiving, so, you know, like, I know she likes more, like, less blood, less gore. Yeah. More of the supernatural, more of the thriller elements. So I know what I can watch with her. I know what Lila can handle is going to be more funny. Eli can handle a little more, but then I also know which ones I just have to. I can handle anything. Which ones I just have to watch by myself.

Sometimes that's just going to have to be the option. I love it. So it's more about knowing what your kid can handle and being able to step them up. And like I said, you'll have another generation of fans. I love it. In the words of Stephen King, sometimes dead is better. That's definitely great advice. And parents out there that are introducing horror movies to kids. Do not be afraid to talk to your kids. Do not be afraid to pause the movie and tell them, you know.

if they're registering it like yeah kind of scary or they might have nightmares just talk to them with it that's awesome yeah and i'm super i'm super proud of you as a dad john uh i love what you're doing and eli Lila, I'm super proud of you for testing the waters and for what y'all are doing. You got a great dad, it sounds like, that's raising you guys right. Yeah, we do.

Oh, see, there you go. So that's all that matters when it's all said and done. It's a family affair. You get to do it all as a family. And Lila, you'll eventually get to where you'll be watching other movies, and it'll be there. Until then, that tablet will be your best friend, and that's okay. The tablet is fun. Right? Yeah, I love it. Yeah. To the closet. Headphones all sitting in that corner. Headphones on. Under the covers.

Yeah, we're going to end up right here in a couple minutes. One thing I will say, I had a guy at work, and this is a grown adult kid, so let this be lessons to you, too. He hates horror movies to the point that he would literally put a blanket over his head. He's a grown man. But if something's scary, he puts a blanket over his head because he can't do scary movies. So with that said, you're already at 13 and nine and a half of the good year.

Y'all are already ahead of him on the game. So you're doing great. So we're going to go ahead for August. We'll go ahead and close this out. So let's pass it around. Let's head over to you first, John. Thank you. and your lovely family for being on, man. But what you got in closing thoughts, anything that you'd like to share plugs wise, or just any, anything you want to share right now is your time.

Really just emphasize again, like I said, know your kids. Know what they can handle. Raise that next generation rights and have a bunch of junior creeps being able to run around pretty soon. Love it. As far as where to find me, I'm on X as John Cantu 80 and then in the Land of the Creeps group on Facebook. Definitely check them out. We'll put some links up there if y'all want to. get in touch with john he's doing such a great job over there let's head over to you eli

Appreciate you being on. Love hearing from you and that. You too are adorable. And I mean that in the most masculine way for you, Eli, because you're 13. I know you're like, I'm not adorable. I'm not, but you are. But any final thoughts that you'd like to give out to the audience? Well, final thoughts. I would probably say that...

You know, like, if you're not a person that would watch horror, I personally, like, I feel like most people that don't watch horror typically never even give it a shot. You know, they're just like, oh, no, I'm going to get so scared, you know. But like, you know, they might really end up enjoying it, you know, because you have to give everything a shot.

Agreed. That's really just for anything, you know? If you didn't try so-called food, how would you know you didn't like it? Same with drink. And it's the same with horror movies. So I'd just say try it. Perfect advice. And since my dad said where you can find him, for me, I really only have one thing and just type in on YouTube, actually.

At Cantu Shorts. There's not really any horror stuff on there. I think there might be one horror video if you scroll down. But just at Cantu Shorts. Nice. And you should be able to find me there. Awesome. So we'll put a link of that up as well.

I love having you on. And now let's go to the giggler. We love the giggler. We got to go to Lila, man. I'm telling you, that's your new moniker. That's your new nickname. And I love it. Keep giggling. Don't lose that giggle, Lila. But what you got for final thoughts? You. It's perfect. I love it. Oh my gosh. It's so infectious. Awesome thoughts. Awesome thoughts. Thank you for inviting me on the call. Yes. Let's see if there's not...

Okay, so her mind is just completely blank right now. You lost her when you said giggles. Giggles. There is zero people listening to this show that has not just laughed. I guarantee you they are giggling with you. I'm telling you, Lila, they're all giggling right now thinking this is the most adorable thing I've ever heard in my life. You know what she's making me remember besides Dr. Giggles? What? Tickle me Elmo. Tickle me Elmo. You know what? I'm going to color that from now on.

she does it in a way with that down thank you you're welcome because it's cute the way she's doing it she goes in the doctor giggle but then it flies off and it goes And it totally makes you think of Elmo. Like, tickle me Elmo. See? Yeah, there it was. The most popular toy out in whatever year that was. Yeah. Well, Pearl, what you got, love, in closing on this? thank you guys for coming on it was great having you guys and and you guys are adorable and you guys gotta

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