Land Of The Creeps Episode 404 : The Voodoo That we Do So Well

Welcome to Land of the Dreams. Voodoo that we do. So do special. This is Gregor Mortensen. You're listening to the Land of the Creeps Horror Podcast. Episode 404. And as you can tell, it's all about the voodoo that we do oh so well.

And we're super excited to be back here. Thank you for tuning in. I was going to do my original. I messed up. I had to re-record because I wanted to do something voodoo. Was that voodoo though? I don't think it was actually voodoo anyways. We're going to call it voodoo. It wasn't. So be it. Anyways, we're excited to be here. I was going to say, Greg, are you wearing these weird bone necklaces? I am. And hush, you ain't been introduced yet. Hush over there.

I'm going to put a voodoo curse on you. Boy, this is going south really quick, and I love it. So here we go. Let's get this party started. If you're new to the show, you can tell there's going to be a lot of laughter and hilarity, but we are talking voodoo. tonight, and we've got a couple movies we're going to be reviewing. Super excited about that. Once again, 404 of LOTC. I am Greg Amortis from North Caggy Lackey. That's North Carolina to all you Northerners. Let's get this show.

going let's go ahead and welcome in the crew even though we already heard from one of them we're gonna keep him quiet for a little bit good luck yeah right i curse you with the curse of nothing How's that? The curse of nothing I'm cursing you with. Let's go. I'm putting a voodoo curse on you for nothing. Let's welcome in outside of Philadelphia, PA. We're going to welcome in. the encyclopedia of knowledge himself mr dvd infatuation it's dave dr shop becker what's up dave

Thank you, Greg. And you can add to my list of merits someone who knows when to shut the hell up. Because you don't want that curse of nothing, right? That's right. I love Dave. See, he listens, Bill. Oh, wait, we ain't introduced yet. You hush over there. I love this man. We're excited. Dave, we're going to have a blast tonight, dude. We've got two movies.

No telling what we're going to get into. It's going to be a lot of fun. It's funny because there's not as many movies as you would think. There's a few. It'll be interesting. Absolutely. Well, let's go ahead and welcome over. We're going to release this curse now. We're going to relieve it so we can bring him in. Welcome from Canada. And he's a Canadian who pulls for Chicago, I think. But anyways, we're not getting into hockey tonight.

But anyways, we're going to welcome in, out of the butchery himself, is Bill the Butcher Van Vagel, my buddy, my friend. What's up, pal? I have nothing against the Blackhawks. I really don't. They're original six-team, but it's Les Gloriels, Les Bleus, Blancs, and Rouges. The Canadien de Montréal is who I support. Who is that?

The Montreal Canadiens. Oh, okay, okay, okay. I knew you were a Canadiens fan. Okay. But it's in the NFL. You're in Green Bay. I'm in Green Bay. Green Bay Packers, Toronto Blue Jays, Toronto Raptors, Newcastle United, and whoever the hell wants to.

to win in college football. You just like to watch it. I love watching it. I love watching college football, but I don't have a particular rooting interest. Nothing wrong with that. I just want to know who's getting drafted, so I watch. Sweet. And anyways, I'm really excited for this episode. Dave was mentioning and Greg is mentioning there aren't a wide breadth of voodoo horror movies, but that doesn't mean the ones that are available aren't good.

So we're going to talk everything about curses, about pins being stuck into little dolls, talk about every kind of little thing we got.

So let's have some fun. Let's bring on the party, and I'll see if I can come up with some curses. Maybe I'll ask my students next week to come up with a Christmas curse or something. There you go. The curse of... krampus or something well it's funny one of the kids i had them do an activity where they created a christmas story with various characters and settings and then one kid goes on the white screen mr v can you put on a picture of krampus

and all i can see is my job floating away yeah right just slowly floating away so all i can all i can do is pre-screen a few and say hey you have a choice of three this one isn't so bad there you go

Oh, cool. Well, let's go ahead and finish out the crew tonight as we're talking about putting pins in dolls and curses and stuff. Let's welcome in the Twisted Temptress herself because if anybody knows anything about... putting pins and dolls it's going to be the love of my life the twisted temptress herself pearl what's up love hi everybody hi yes that's right now i'm asking my enemy do you feel that do you feel Anything right now? I actually do. I feel something in my back right now. Not you.

Sorry, sorry, sorry. Did she miss the doll and get you, Greg? She did. She poked me right in the back. Okay, see if you feel this one there. Oh! That was a nut. No! That was a spiked nail. Let's not start talking about nails. One scene that I just can't even...

I just cringe every time, but we'll get to that. Oh, my God. We'll get to that here. I'm sure some people out there already know what I'm talking about. Oh, yes. So, Pearl, you excited? We're getting into this. I'm very excited. It's like, as of now, I'm here in the booth. do drums and chants and all that i'm like moving to it okay i'm inserting some drum beats right now i actually want to go get a chicken and okay we're inserting drum beats and we're having kfc is that what you're talking about

I can do a KFC. I think she's talking live chickens, but we're putting KFC out there. Yeah, KFC. Pay me for putting that. Some of the chicken you get from KFC, it's only good to use in a voodoo ritual. Right. I love it. So once again, we're talking all voodoo tonight. We've got a few calls come in that we'll get to. I hope everybody had a great Thanksgiving time with your family or if you're at home, whatever you did. I hope it was safe.

Fresh and all that good jazz and hope you had a good time. I overate. Pearl overate. I overate. We had a good time. We went to go see my parents. It was a fun time. We went to go to a wrestling convention. It was awesome. I finally got to see... Woo! The nature boy, Ric Flair. And I sat beside him. And he was a womanizer hitting on Pearl over. I said, hey, buddy. And I couldn't say nothing. But, yeah, that's my wife. And, yeah.

at least he said sorry he did say sorry he said who's that i said she's the queen and he said oh is that your wife i said yeah he's oh okay uh and then we met the other one That's right, the Stinger and Barbarian. See, I've got to put all the names out there like that. But we had a good time at the wrestling convention. Wrestlecade 2024 in Winston-Salem. It was a great time. So every year during Thanksgiving, listeners, every year during Thanksgiving.

Make your plan for that weekend, that Friday, Saturday, and Sunday after Thanksgiving. They do a celebration at the Winston-Salem Benton Convention Center. Go ahead and start making plans. Save up a lot of money because they'll have over 100 wrestlers there from past to present. And if you like wrestling like we do, oh my God, it's a heavenly dream to walk in there and see all the cast of the past. I love it.

so that said let's see we're going to uh do this we're going to take our shots first let's go ahead and get them uh out of the way and then we'll start getting ready I am drinking tonight, guys, a shot of Old Smokey Gatlinburg, Tennessee Salty Caramel. Also says mountain made. There you go. So made from the mountains of Tennessee, I guess. Dave, what you drinking on tonight? I've got my usual Jamaican Me Crazy.

which I now brewed over an hour ago, so it should be good to go. An hour old making me crazy, which means you got some voodoo up in that one, I'm sure. Well, yeah, actually, possibly. It's possible. islands i'm sure there's hopefully the voodoo cooled it down a bit we'll see uh bill what you drinking tonight friend i was gonna say david if it's been cooking for an hour does that mean it's nice and thick

It's not thinly sliced for sure. It's not thinly sliced. I have got water with lemon-lime squirty juice and rock star peach something or other. Peach something. I don't know. It's got like this shiny orange pinky label. I don't know. Orange pinky shiny.

I love the way you describe stuff exactly the way I do. Anybody that can follow along with me, just follow along. When you have to have your brain on for six hours, I don't want to have it on if I don't have to. This is true. This is true. All right, Twisted Temptress, what you drinking on over there? I just got my favorite water, my white grape. Even though when I was in the store, I was looking at, I was wanting to get a beer. And they had the Voodoo Ranger. Oh, they're nasty.

yeah that's what i was gonna grab and someone said that they're like don't don't do that i'm like why they're like it is nasty and i'm like okay so well here's the thing i'm not an ip drinker and i'm not a drinker of those type drinks and that's what voodoo ranger i've tried one one time it's just too hoppy for me it's just way too

I don't know. I was going to text Ian and be like, which one's better? Yeah, Ian loves them some Voodoo Rage. I was going to say, when I used to drink, I used to like them. What I used to like about them is you can make bread out of them. Literally. Plenty of yeast. Dave, was you a fan of the Voodoo Rage? or was that around when you were right before you quit the voodoo ranger yeah the brand

No, I'm not familiar with it. Okay, so that was probably a little bit after you stopped. All right, so let's go ahead and get these shots down. Let's chug it. We're going to count it down in my California shot glass. Three, two, one, chug. That don't taste as smooth as the Jim Beamon honey, but holy cow, is that caramely. God, that's a lot of caramel in that. Woo!

I was going to say, I drank mine out of the mug that Greg and Amy bought gin. Aw, that's so awesome. Greg P. and Amy Lee, the gruesome twosome. wonderful wonderful couple they are beautiful couple so here we go and and pray for them because they've been sick for months we'll find out and they they really well they got the flu now i think i think amy says she's got the flu bug so yeah dude

I was going to say, Greg can pump you full of blood. That's right. So what I want to do, guys, before we get to our reviews tonight, we've got two feature reviews. I'll go ahead and name them. We're going to look at 1932's White Zombie. and then 1988's The Serpent and the Rainbow. So that's the two movies we're going to look at specifically tonight. We're going to talk a lot more because, guys, I want to go to this, and I want to run this down from 10 to 1. I found a list on Ranker.

Ranker.com. And, uh, they ranked their top 10, uh, about voodoo that are truly possessed. Okay. So their top 10, Dave, Bill, Pearl. And I thought we'd just run this down this list and see what you think of it. As y'all mentioned, there's not many voodoo movies. And I want to ask, do you feel like there should be more voodoo movies? Is it a...

A sub-genre that really needs to be tapped into more, or do you think they've kind of already tapped the wheel too much? Pearl, you be first. What do you think? I want more. She wants more. Dave, do you want more? I would say so, yeah. I think that there's still a lot of room to... you know to to explore with it now uh you know a lot of times that it also crosses into the zombie genre you know a lot of these especially the the in the um back in the 40s and and 50s and whatnot but

Yeah, I think I really think you could, especially when you're going to look at the two movies that that we're going to discuss tonight. You know, they're they're very they're very original in their in their way. And I think. I think you really have a lot more room to explore this topic. Agree. How about you, Bill? I think there is room. I agree with everyone on the panel. But if you're going to do one... I want one done well. What I don't want is it to be like just another zombie movie. Yeah.

You know, like there's a thousand of those. If you're going to bring one, bring me something compelling. Because it is eerie. It is creepy. There's lots of witchcraft and religious themes that can work with a film like this. But make it decent. Agree. And then I'll go to it. Yeah, I agree. I think that for me, it would need to be, and I'm not a found footage type guy, but I think if we could tap in a little bit to the found footage side of it.

making it feel a little more realistic. Like, I want to see some filmmakers down in Haiti and doing the Haitian or maybe even New Orleans or whatever. You know, you're in... wherever you know and really tap into the whole found footage side of it maybe they found a camera or maybe you know they're filming a documentary and then this happened maybe tap into that a little bit i don't think we've seen a lot of that

Uh, so I think that'd be kind of cool, but, uh, so ranker ranker.com. It's easy to look up. You can type it up. I'm not being sponsored and they're not paying me money for this, but I just thought it'd be kind of a cool thing to start to show out with. So they're number 10 guys and guys. was Sugar Heal, a.k.a. the zombies of Sugar Heal. And, uh...

We actually, Pearl and I just watched that right before we started recording, so we're fresh on that one. What say the guys and gal? You like number 10 being Sugar Hill? I'm surprised it's... number 10. Now I'm really anxious to see what the other nine are because I would have thought it would have been maybe at worst number five. Yeah, I totally agree. I think I really thought it was going to be a lot higher. And so...

Yeah, I'm really curious what else is on there. When I start naming a couple of these off, you're going to be saying, why was it not higher? Because I'm going to go ahead and let you know, Sugar Hill's fun. It's a black-exploitated type film that is just... a lot of fun it's like voodoo that's cursed uh vengeance side of things so you got that vengeance side of voodoo and i love it and then

uh some recognizable people dave and i you you and i were talking about it off air and bill that uh the mama from jefferson's is in there yes and the other thing it has going for it if I recall correctly, the director is Paul Maslansky and Paul Maslansky is the same one that did police academies. There you go. He was cutting his chops with blaxportation before he got into crude humor. This takes a little more of a serious approach, so I like that. It's actually a really good film.

Again, there's no comedy really in this. It addresses it straight. If I recall, there's a scene of... things emerging from like a swamp or something yes it's pretty it's pretty murky yeah yeah definitely all right so number nine guys see what you think of this one scream blackula scream never saw it I don't think I've seen the sequel either. I never saw the sequel. Now, for me...

I feel like... And I've seen this one. It's been a while. And this is the sequel to Blackula. And everybody... We love Blackula, which is a vampire flick. And this one... Definitely watch. Unlike the first Blackula film, which was a Blaxploitation remake of the well-known Dracula story, Blackula Scream takes the story of Prince Memelwald in a completely new and original direction.

Mammawald is resurrected from the bones by the spiteful son of Voodoo Queen who seeks revenge of being passed over for succession. So there you go. So scream Blackula scream. Interesting. Okay. All right, let's go to number eight. I think everybody will agree with this one. I may even think of this one being a little bit higher, but how about Child's Play? As number eight. Charles Leroy. That works. Charles Leroy. I have to sit there and it doesn't immediately come to my mind as a voodoo.

It doesn't, but the way that... It hits slasher more, I think. I always thought of it as a slasher film. Or even Supernatural. But I guess Supernatural and Voodoo kind of are tied in. Yeah, that takes you a little bit closer to that. But it is. It absolutely is. Yeah, when Charles has to put his body into the spirit of the Chucky doll, the good, what is it, the good boy's doll? Good boy.

Good guys. Good guys, doll. There you go. And Charlie becomes Chucky. So that was number eight. Let's go to number seven. Number seven is one that we watched today. Haven't seen it in a while. 1941. I think it was 1940. Was it 1941? I'm pretty sure it was 1941. I walked with a zombie. No, it's not. It's called White Zombie. No, no, no. That's White Zombie. I watched that the other night for the first time.

Yeah, White Zombie is the one. Yeah, but that's a different one. I was just picking with you guys. The one that they put number seven was White Zombie. Seven? Yeah, number seven, which we're going to review tonight. Even that one, though. Even that one, I think, is a little low.

Yeah. And we're reviewing that one, so we'll hold that one off. So we'll let you know what we think of that one. But at number seven, I still say wow. Let's go to number six, guys. Number six. Pearl just watched this one last night.

Tales from the Hood. Okay. I don't think I've seen that since 1988. Little dolls of the politician. But it's only like, like you said, Pearl, what is it? Just like one... scene basically right because it's it's it's it's a um um oh god what am i trying to say an anthology right yeah yeah so it's probably one segment from it

The first one has a little bit of voodoo because the guy wants revenge when he comes back. The second one is the dolls and the politician. Okay. So that one is the main voodoo. That's the main voodoo. Okay. That's the reason. Okay. all right so number five i agree with and maybe even could go higher and that is i walked with the zombie yeah that that's that's that belongs on the list um

probably would be top three for me. But, yeah. You know what's funny is I watched that the other night, and I watched the first half Stone Sober, and I watched the second half after I'd had a couple puffs. But... You know what? It really didn't change much. It's just a solid film. It really is. And this is one that I hadn't seen in a while. Pearl and I watched it today. And what I like about it is the zombie, big-eyed, you know, just...

The voodoo slash zombie creatures in this one are humans. They're creepy as hell, dude. It's really creepy. This for me, and we had talked about it real quick, I know, Greg, but for me, this and Cat People are Val Lewton's two best. Yeah. And I mean, the way Val could stretch a dollar. Yeah. You know that it was made way less than the way it came off. Well, I mean, I walked with a zombie. I think it was 1941. And if you think about going to the theater and seeing that in the theater in 1941.

It would have terrified people. I mean, it would have completely terrified people. So, yeah, number five for that one. Here's their number four, guys. Let's see what you think of this one. How about Angel Heart? Oh, I like I like that one, actually, because that's that was in my top 10 of the 80s. Yeah. Horror films of the 80s. And I think that is a great choice. And it sort of combines.

It combines like demonic with the black arts. Yeah. And I love that about it. I really do. Did we not review that when we did one of our devil episodes? I'm sure. I'm sure we did, seeing as that's who Robert De Niro is playing, Louis Cypher. Let's not forget a couple scenes that Bill Cosby wasn't happy with.

Lisa Bonet, baby. Exactly. She's very attractive. It is dark and dirty, and it's that part of New Orleans and Louisiana. It's not quite horror, but I'd call it horror adjacent. Midnight in the Garden of Good and Evil. Same sort of feel to it.

Let's see what y'all think of number three. Now, this is where I really am scratching my head because of what we've already heard. I mean, White Zombie, and I Walked With a Zombie, and all these movies. Here's their number three, guys. See what you think. The Princess and the Frog. What? The princess and the frog. The Disney cartoon one? Yeah.

All right, well, this isn't voodoo horror, I'm guessing. This is just top 10 voodoo movies, right? Evidently, it's called, when I typed it in, let me see what it says up top. So that was number three. So 10 movies about... voodoo that are truly possessed is what it says as the caption when I typed it in I put the best zombie movies I mean best voodoo movies and this is what it came up with

The Princess and the Frog was kind of a game changer for Disney. And I think it's 2009, right? That's the year that came out. Yeah, I believe so. Okay, I'm almost positive it was 2009. That was a bit of a game changer because they went back to traditional animation. Mm hmm. For that movie. And it you know, that was the year that like all five nominees for best animated film. I think The Secret of Kells was one of them. And.

Persepolis might have been Persepolis that yeah I can't remember all of them but they were all really solid and Princess and the Frog is a good movie and it does have a lot of voodoo in it. But when you're talking like every other movie we've discussed so far has been horror. And then to throw that one in at number three is a little bit of a switch. I don't quite get that. But if it's just a list of voodoo films, then okay, yes. It does belong on the list, at least.

All right, here we go with number two, guys. And this one I have not seen since it first came out, but Kate Hudson and the Skeleton Key. I really wanted to watch that one. Ian Softley directed that one. I really wanted to see that and I did not get a chance to because I did notice that on the list and they have it at number two.

Yes. Wow. I don't think I've seen it since it came out. When was that? Oh, my God. I don't have the dates. Is it the 90s? No, 2006. It was 2005 or 2006. 2005, 2006. Yeah, it's in the 2000s. first decade. But... I did not get a chance. Pearl didn't get a chance to see it. No, I haven't seen that. I have not seen this literally since. That was on the short list of one I really wanted to check out for this. I just didn't get a chance. I ran out of time.

I really remember enjoying it, but it's just been too long for me to respond to it or anything. The number one I think is pretty obvious, and that's one that we're going to be talking about tonight as well, and that's The Serpent and the Rainbow, which I think is going to hit most people's number one list when it comes to...

to voodoo uh so that's that's a no-brainer there i think that's pretty pretty accurate but the rest of them uh let's rank it down again serpent rainbow number one skeleton key number two princess and the frog number three number four they had angel heart number five they had i walked with the zombie number six tales from the hood number seven they had white zombie number eight they had child's play number nine they had

They had Scream, Blackula Scream, and number 10, they had Sugar Hill, a.k.a. the zombies of Sugar Hill. The Princess and the Frog really stands out now. Is it really? It really stands out. Yes, I'm like, hmm, interesting. I was looking for, like, screen rants. I have a list of four or five. Okay. That wasn't mentioned. One of the ones I thought of right away. was the segment of the Amicus anthology Vault of Horror with Tom Baker. Okay.

That has him going back and steals and deals with black magic and what it does to his art. If you remember Vault of Horror. The Oblong Box. With Vincent Price. Yeah. Where there's the brother who's kind of kept on the upstairs and he gets somebody involved with voodoo to set a curse out to let him out of the top. Dr. Terror's House of Horrors. has a segment involving another one of the Amicus anthology films. Trilogy of Terror. Nice. With the Guru doll. Yeah, with the end, yeah.

And there's one I haven't seen, but I saw on a list. 1957, Dave, I wondered if you've seen Boris Karloff in Voodoo Island. Absolutely, I have. Reginald LeBorg directed that one. It is... It's good. I think it's good. I mean, no one's going to say it is. No, you know what? I think I remember. I think I'm confusing it with a Bela Lugosi. um voodoo one i'm not sure voodoo island is really that strong you know what yeah i'm just i'm reading my my review of it here and it's it's

Kind of coming back. I put Karloff and a few of the other actors, notably Rhodes Reason as the hard-drinking ship's captain, give it their all. But alas, they were fighting and losing battle. Voodoo Island is boring, confusing, and at times just plain ridiculous. All right. But I was confusing it with there is one from 1940. It's the early 40s, no, 44, with Bela Lugosi called Voodoo Man. Okay. Which is good. And it's got Bela Lugosi, John Carradine.

It's hard to believe John Carradine appearing in a movie we're discussing. Yeah, right. I think he's now been in every movie we've discussed in every episode of Land of the Creeps since the dawn of time. And George Zuko. And it's it was one of it was it was Poverty Row. And it was the last movie that Lugosi made for Monogram Pictures.

And it is good. I mean, Lugosi does his normal, you know, he's all he always gives it his all. George Zuko is also good in this. And even John Carradine, he plays this. he's the toby he's a sort of dim-witted assistant and there's a scene in the movie that i can't help but laugh at i had to bring it back a few times where he's walking with a match

And the match gets too close to his hand because you just see him shake and start shaking his hand. He drops the match because it burned him. I mean, it literally burned him, but he never broke character. You know, it is pretty cool. So, yeah, you know, the monogram is it's poverty row. So you get what you get. But this one sort of struck me as being the better of the of.

of that bunch of films okay i'll have to check that one out i haven't seen that one so or have i seen i don't know i don't think i've seen that one so that would definitely be one i'd have to add to the list for sure oh cool let's do this let's um Let's throw in a couple of voicemails right here. So I think what we'll do, let's read off Patrick Gunners.

All right, here we go. So here is Patrick Gunner's top five voodoo movies. You ready for this, Pearl? Mm-hmm. The Serpent and the Rainbow, number one. Number two, Trilogy of Terror. Number three, Child's Play. Number four, Angel Heart. Number five, I Walked With a Zombie. And, all right, you little smart-ass Patrick. He says, Greg, please leave the song Voodoo. To God smack, LOL. I highly recommend checking out The Substance 2024. The last 20 minutes are insane. I will leave.

voodoo to god smack for you patrick just because i don't want you to put a voodoo curse on me my friend And yeah, The Substance 2024 is a must-see. If you've not seen that yet, definitely watch it before you come up with any list. Not saying it will make everybody's list, but definitely check it out. For sure. Have you seen that one yet, Dave? I have. Okay, and Bill, have you seen The Substance? Yes, I have. Pearl, have you seen The Substance? Of course you have.

I love it. I was going to say, was she sleeping while you had it on? No, she would have watched that one for sure. That was right up her wheelhouse. All I'll say is Demi Moore, if all is as shown. Wow. Like regardless of what is shown, what an impressive, gutsy, really gutsy performance. When it comes time for Father and Son Watch Horror Movies to do their horror Oscars, she will absolutely be nominated for Best Actress this year. And I haven't seen one yet.

That could beat her. Right. Agreed. Agreed. All right. Well, let's go to a couple of voicemails. Let's go to Darren from Northern California. Hey, Greg Pearl, Dave Ville from Northern California calling. Okay, we are talking about voodoo. Voodoo, Louie. You know, every time I hear the word voodoo, the first thing that pops into my head is...

Harvey Korman from Blazing Saddles saying, Now go do that voodoo that you do so well. I don't know. That just always pops into my head whenever I hear the word voodoo. Anyway, my top five that I think about, I haven't watched a whole lot of voodoo movies, but... I have a combination of things here from both TV and the movies. The first thing is an episode of Kolshak the Night Stalker. It was an episode called The Zombie from 1974 by Alex Grassoff.

That was an excellent episode that definitely delved into the world of voodoo, resurrecting a body to commit murders on behalf of this one family. So check that one out if you get a chance. Then there's Dan Curtis's Trilogy of Terror, the episode Prey from... In the TV series, they called it Amelia, but it was based on a Richard Matheson novel called Prey. If you never got a chance to read Richard Matheson's story, I'd suggest you do that. It's really excellent.

White Zombie from 1932 by Victor Halperin, starring Bela Nugosi. I definitely... Yeah, I saw that when I was a kid. I need to revisit that one. It's been a long time since I've seen it, but I remember really enjoying it. Next is Plague of the Zombies, 1966 by Don Gilling. Now listen. Hammer's entry into the world of the zombie. And I thought they really did an excellent job. And it predates 1968's Night of the Living Dead, but even though it had a zombie...

Even though the zombies had a voodoo connection to it, it was starting to get into the area that George Romero was heading toward. And then finally, The Serpent and the Rainbow by Wes Craven. 1988 uh that one really scared the living hell out of me and uh you know i have a thing about being buried alive and that has a scene that just really haunted me forever

I thought I just got disconnected. Anyway, that's all I have, so I hope you guys have a great show, and I'll talk to you next time. Take care. Bye-bye. bam darren calling in so and you know what darren i am with you 100 when when they sent me the um uh when pearl sent me the uh

message that this was the topic. The first thing I thought in my head was Harvey Korman giving that speech to all the Cowboys, sending them off to... to tear up the town of Rockridge and him just saying, now go, first off, it's after. A line that preceded it is one of my favorites in the movie where he's sending them off. He goes, you will only be risking your lives, whereas I will be risking an almost certain Academy Award nomination for best supporting actor.

And then sends them off with the go do that voodoo that you do so well. I think the same thing. I quote that movie more than I realize. I mean, every now and again, when we're trying to dig around for some change, like if we're standing there at the register, we don't want to. break a 20 or whatever when we're digging around for change, I always want to describe someone's got to ride back and get a shitload of dimes.

Well, you heard me at the beginning say the voodoo that you do. Oh, that's where I got it from, too. So I guess I quoted more than I thought, too. That's what it is. And the funny thing is, Harvey Korman was nominated for Best Supporting Actor. Of course he was. He should have been. In the movie. So it's almost like he was campaigning for it with that line. Yeah. And I'm so glad he brought up Plague of the Zombies.

Oh yeah, the Hammer film, yeah. Which I directly will make reference to, to one of our other films that we're going to review. And he brought up a Kolchak episode, and that reminded me of, there was an episode I remember watching years ago of the original Law and Order. where they were dealing with, I don't know if it was voodoo, but it was voodoo cults in the basement of an apartment in New York City killing chickens.

And it has to do with ceremonial deaths. Interesting. That sort of stuff. In an urban center, this kind of thing actually occurring. That's really cool. You know what? I have to check out because I have the whole series of Kolchak and I got to check out that episode because I love that series. You know, Darren McGavin is just such a master in that in that series. And I got to check out that episode. So it's called Zombie. And of course, we're truly.

of terror. Does anybody even really remember the other two stories in that? Pearl does, not me. Yeah, that she's in the entire thing and it's named, all segments are named after characters that Karen Black is playing. But really, the only one that I remember clearly is that third segment. It stands apart that much more than the rest of it. And the rest of it's not bad. It's just that one is so good.

That it just overshadows the other two. And it was definitely a smart move putting that third. If they had let off with that one. People would have been like on the edge of their seats and then they would have been slowly moving back as the other two segments played out. So they knew what they were doing, putting that one third. Absolutely. He called one more time, but I think it was because he thought he got cut off. Let's listen to it here.

Hi, it's me. I couldn't tell if I got cut off or not, so just in case I did, my last entry was Serpent and a Rainbow from West Craven, 1988. And I have a big fear of being buried alive, and that definitely was the one that really threw me for a loop when I saw it. All right. Hope you guys have a great show. Talk to you next time. Take care. Bye-bye.

There you go. So he's just reiterating his number one. So cool. All right. So I think let's go to Pearl because, Bill, you named a few off. Let's go to Pearl. I know you've seen a couple extra, or you have maybe a couple extra zombie feel. I mean, I keep saying zombie. God, voodoo. They're so close. Any other voodoo moves you want to throw out there at the front?

I watched one that was called Voodoo from 1995 with Corey Feldman, of all people. I'm sorry. That was mean because I do like Corey Feldman, so that was rude. That was rude, Greg. I'm going to kick my ass around. Go ahead. Well, I mean, yeah. Not the best one. Why did I chuckle? Everybody chuckles at Corey Feldman. I actually like Corey Feldman. I got nothing against him. It's Corey Feldman after a certain time.

1980s movie with Corey Feldman. Okay. Yeah. It's probably because he just took anything after that. The 90s and the 2000s, it's, you know. Yeah. Getting a paycheck, man. So, what'd you think of that one, Pearl? I liked it. It had a good story, but when it comes to certain things, it became very cheesy. But I'd still give it a watch. I mean, it was fun to pass the time with.

Would I recommend us all, you know, every now and then watch it? No, but one time watch. So it's called Voodoo and it was streaming? Yeah. Okay, so 1999. It was on Tubi of all places. Tubi. Bill VanVegeltuby. I saw it on there. I was like, nah, I got better things I can do with 90 minutes than watch Corey Pelton. Now, wait a minute, Bill. Now, wait a minute. Now, half the crap that you send me you're watching, dude. I think you could watch a 19-

95 voodoo come on now well it depends is there anything worth seeing in the movie not really another one that's code word for bill saying is there boobies in the movie and that's why i said nope that's not what you said dave Back me up on it. Bill's saying it was her boobs. Well, he said things. But yes, Bill's not afraid to just come out and ask for boobs if he wants her. That's true. That's what I love about Bill. So I will definitely give him that. I would.

If that's what he wants, that is what he will ask for. Yeah, I guess the thing to see is a slightly older Corey Feldman. There you go. Yeah, I would definitely not push Bill to watch this movie. There you go, Bill, so don't watch it. Granted, I watched a lot of stuff on Doobie. You have. You have. You've went down Tubi Hill for a long time. You're an originator. That's it.

Yeah, but before it was fashionable, I was... You were definitely what made it fashionable. I will give you that. You are the one who... I use Tubi now. I'll go there if I say, you know what? I want to see this, but I sure as shit don't want to pay for it. So let me go over to Tubi. And how often is Bill and fashionable in the same sentence? Whenever you talk about Sasquatch. No, I thought I wasn't going to go worse.

Because I saw another familiar name, so I went with it. I decided to watch Voodoo Moon. It had Jeffrey Combs, Charisma Corpse. And Eric Mabias. So I thought, okay. That's a full moon release. Yeah. Yeah. I thought you were going to say Eric Roberts for a minute. I know, right? But that's the thing. Eric, my bias, is starting to become Eric Roberts. True, true, true. So what was that one like? Oh, God.

Well, when you have two guys floating in the air throwing little spitballs at each other. Oh, nice. No. Oh. It was corny as hell. You can see the CGI. You can see, like... Oh, God. It was just bad. Let's just put it that way. It had a few good moments, but that was about it. I mean, those few good moments, I would say the total of five minutes out of the whole movie. What was her boobs? A brief side boob.

There you go, Bill. You can watch it. Again, I'm not going to get excited over a side boob. How about CGI spitballs? That could be something. It can't be worse than Demonia. I'm all about some spitballs now but I will recommend because obviously I you guys know I'm into anthology I will recommend Tales from the Crypt season 2 episode 4 till death

When the guy wants that woman and he wants that spell to work, he ends up giving her the whole entire thing to drink. Yes. And she's his forever, even to death. That's such a good episode. I'm sure you guys remember that one. They were in the jungle. I used to watch it all the time. Oh, my God. I wouldn't have seen it.

since it was on. I'm sure I did. I watched that show regularly. When a dead corpse comes knocking on your door and saying, I'm hitting yours for life, baby! Or whatever it says. If you think about it, if we're looking at Black Magic and...

and things like that. How about the story of the monkey's paw? I wonder, would that fit? I mean, it's not voodoo. Yeah, that would fit. Monkey's paw does belong in voodoo. I would think so, too, because it is kind of cast in spellage, and I would kind of lean it towards that. Because I remember in sixth grade, a teacher showing us a short film of the monkey's paw that traumatized the shit out of the whole class. Because it was so creepy.

I'm looking at a list here, and one person has number six, Tales from the Hood. And there's an episode called, a segment called KKK Comeuppance. It's on Dread Central, and it says, the whole movie is great, but there's something deeply satisfying about watching a racist Klansman get torn apart by dolls. Yeah, we actually got it playing in the background right now.

Would you consider that voodoo? Oh, yeah. Yeah, that segment especially. Yeah, because the New Orleans plantation. Yeah, they're definitely straight voodoo in that one. I don't think I've seen that movie in 40 years. I don't think so. Okay, and then the other one is X-Files Season 2, Episode 16 called Fresh Bones. Hmm.

Yeah, that one is even in North Carolina. Really? Season two. Can I make a phone a friend to Nathan? He would know this. Right? Phone a friend. I don't recall that specific episode. I recall several episodes. of the X-Files vividly. That's not one of them, but I bet you there's probably a couple episodes from the X-Files over the years that would fit in this category.

And then the last one is Voodoo Mamba from Friday the 13th Series, Season 2, Episode 2. Yes, I love Friday the 13th Series, man. It's so fun. Nice. Holy crap. Awesome. Well, cool, Pearl. Sweet. What else you got over, Bill? You said you had about six. No, nothing much else because I don't watch a lot of TV, so I can't dig into that. I did go into Tubi while we're sitting here and just typed in voodoo and saw it come out.

Honestly, there wasn't much there that I recognized. You know, there's a little bit of bloxploitation voodoo horror. And then there's your CGI, schlocky, late 90s, early 2000s. There isn't a lot. It's really a barren landscape. There was a movie that I have not seen from a couple years ago called Spell. Oh, yeah. that i saw on some oh spell that was the one i couldn't think of yes yeah yeah yeah that's a good one and i haven't seen that i haven't seen that one yet but it looked like it could um

You need to check that one out, Dave. It's actually really enjoyable. It's a low-budget film, but it actually shot Pearl and I both when we saw it when it first came out. Yeah, it's actually really well done. It's definitely good. You need to check that one out. I have it on Blu-ray. Oh, nice. Yeah, put that on your short to-do list. Well, I will warn you ahead of time then. There's a scene.

That will make you think of both misery and the nails. Oh, there you go. Okay. There you go. Have fun with that. Well, cool. We're going to get into our feature reviews tonight, and then we'll also have voicemails, and then we'll get into some more shenanigans here in a little bit. But I think we'll go ahead and start out with our first feature review tonight, which is going to be...

We'll go in chronological order. So we're going to go way back in the time machine. I'm trying to do. What was it? Oh, God. Dag on it. Wayne's World. We're doing it. We're going back in time. And we're going way back to 1932. We'll insert the, if there is one, we'll insert a trailer right here. From Haiti, land of the voodoo, comes the most infamous cult of all. Bela Lugosi as Murder Legendre. I see death. Master of the undead damned. The sinister power behind the white zombie.

Zombies? Yes. They are my servants. This soul killer takes men from their graves to be his slaves. His instruments of terror. And now this fiend plots to possess a woman. Only a pinpoint, Monsieur Romand. In a glass of wine, you know. Or perhaps a flower. Keep it, monsieur. Keep it. You may change your mind. Not dead? Are you mad? I saw her die. The doctor signed a certificate. I saw them bury her. Captive in the borderland between life and death. Her brain drained of the life spark.

The white zombie obeys the unholy commands of her demon master. As mindless creatures carry out his cursed will, terror explodes in horror and heartquake. Never eyes so evil. Never power so potent. Never magic so black. Bela Dracula Lugosi. as the master of the white zombie. And then we will let Dave give us the plot synopsis for 1932's White Zombie. 1932 White Zombie, produced by his brother.

I'm not sure what his, I can't remember his brother's first name. He was the producer of this. This is sort of a, what you would say is an early sort of poverty row film made outside of the studio system, independent. And it is considered the first feature length zombie film, the first full length zombie film ever made. All right. The setting is in Haiti. Madeline, played by Madge Bellamy and Neil.

played by John Heron, are engaged to be married, and they're traveling by carriage to the house of wealthy plantation owner Charles Beaumont. Robert Frazier plays him. Beaumont has agreed to let Neil and Madeline use his mansion for their wedding ceremony. But what the couple doesn't realize is that Beaumont himself is in love with the bride-to-be and intends to prevent the marriage from taking place is the main reason why he's agreed to host it. He enlists the help of Murder Legendre.

Played by Bela Lugosi. Murder. Let's just think about that for a minute here. On the birth certificate for this person as a baby would be murder. You're kind of pigeonholing your child for a specific career when you give the first name of murder. You know, and not even spelled differently. It's just murder. Anyway, he is a voodoo master who has developed a potion that transforms a normal person into a mindless zombie.

He agrees to, Legendre agrees to help and gives Beaumont a sample of this elixir to use on Madeline. The potion works, but Beaumont starts to regret turning this woman that he loves into this sort of... dead, well, not dead, but emotionless zombie, and asks Legendre to change her back. But when he refuses, it kicks off a battle of wills between the two men, one that takes a...

A sharp turn when Legendre summons his associates, meaning his zombies, to join in the fracas. One of the things I was thinking as I was watching this is that... You know, Bela Lugosi was in Dracula, the first, you know, first American horror film, the one that kicked off the Universal series of movies. And.

by not being in Frankenstein. They wanted him to play Frankenstein's monster. He thought it was beneath him. He did do a screen test for it, but then said, no, I'm not interested in this. I don't just want to play this mute character.

It's beneath me as an actor. So that's when they brought in Boris Karloff. Now, that would turn out to be a great... great move by getting Boris Karloff as Frankenstein's monster but it kind of pissed the powers that be at Universal off that Lugosi sort of stood up to them in that way so when his next movie Murders in the Rue Morgue failed they didn't renew his contract

For horror fans, though, that allowed Lugosi to become like a free agent. And he would make White Zombie. He would make Island of Lost Souls. He would go out and appear in these other films. before finally being brought back into the fold with Universal when they said, hey, maybe he is still, you know, a viable star. And of course he was. But we might not have gotten White Zombie.

If Lugosi had broken down and played Frankenstein's monster, we wouldn't have gotten this version of White Zombie. Because I think this really does rely on Bela Lugosi. You know, you get that stare like you got in Dracula. They rely on that. You get some shots of of Legendre's eyes. And that's a big portion of this film. I think that this owes a lot to...

It owes a lot to the stubbornness of Bela Lugosi, that it is the movie that it is. But along with being in the first horror movie, he is in the first zombie movie. He really was just at the forefront of horror across the board. you know not just universal but across the board and you see that in this movie now this is a strange movie

It is weird. I'll turn it over to everyone else in a moment. But there are great scenes in this that the set pieces look every bit as good as something you would see in a universal for a movie that's... obviously you know as low budget as this was uh and i'm saying that dracula was broke the bank as far as budget but when you look at some of the set pieces in this and some of what what transpires

It's really impressive what they were able to accomplish in this movie. This is a classic. I really do, and I think it's withstood the test of time. This movie is weird as hell sometimes. So anyway, that's my take. It is. The tagline on the poster is, with these zombie eyes, he rendered her powerless. With this zombie grip, he made her perform his every desire. I love the zombie grip. It's like the Kung Fu grip, man.

But go ahead, Bill, what you got? Yeah, exactly. It's Bela Lugosi with a Kung Fu grip. Yeah. Go ahead, Bill, what you got on White Zombie? Interesting film. I love Thunder, whatever it's called, right? Nice set. There's good ambiance. Dark atmosphere. Cool visuals on the zombies. I like that in these early interpretations of zombies, they're not these... menacing, you know, guts, you know, you don't have worms coming out of eyeballs. Here they're just literally reanimated corpses.

So they kind of got that very staid, purposeful walk. They've got a purpose. You don't have to worry about them coming to kill you because you can see them half a mile away. And the other thing, I didn't think they laid out the story that well because it had been a long time since I'd seen it. And you're sitting there going, why did they stop at that house again? Why? Oh, they're getting married. Okay, they're getting married.

It didn't quite fill in the gaps. At least I missed it. I don't know. Lugosi was a bit stiff and overacting, I found in this film. Like, it was Lugosi at his schlockiest best. if that's a way to put it. I can't agree with that. I thought he was giving what they needed for him to give. I saw that ending scene and the guy, he's standing there unaware and the guy just hits him with a club or something and he falls like a bag of potatoes.

That hurt. And then the zombies just walk off a cliff and you're like, really? This is how this is ending? Like they're following him, yeah. Okay, sure. Yeah, I mean, I had a hard time in the last part of it. I followed the first part okay, but when it got to the second half, I was kind of like, what the hell? This is kind of going off in different directions. That's it. I think it...

I think that Bella gave it his all. I don't think he ever has a performance where he doesn't give it his all. But I just thought, although I'm sure when you get into things like the double bat, it gets a lot worse, right? The movies do, that's for sure. Who knew Bella was such a good carver? With a knife. He was really good making those little dolls. But here's my one joke. There's one character called Silver. Well, poor Silver went hi-ho.

And you have to discover what that means. I said the ending got a bit clunky, a little over the top. It was an enjoyable watch. I'm really glad I watched it. Would I call it a classic? I don't know that I'd call it a classic, but I would say that if you're interested in the history of the genre, you should watch it. Okay. Pearl, what's your thoughts on White Zombie?

I kept getting distracted. I think I was more mesmerized with a whole bunch of things. I kept looking at Madeline. I'm like, gosh, she looks like Betty Boop. Yeah. I kept looking at... bella lugosi and thinking like why did they call him murder i mean then then i started with the whole red rum thing because it was she was she kept she even wrote red rum on my hand like with a pen i was like why did you do that and then she marks it out now i got a big red mark

and i was just watching like how different faces when i guess whenever trying to make him look more evil his eyebrows would change she's cracking on his eyebrows yeah I was going to say, did you like looking at your glass of wine and seeing Bella's face in it? Right. No, it's like, I mean...

He didn't escape wearing a cape. He was still wearing a cape no matter what. There was a moment that you could tell like he kind of wanted to chuckle because he even did the Dracula voice at that second. Like it was a quick pause.

But I mean, I still enjoyed the movie for what it was. The men who were supposed to be zombie-like under a trance by him, you know, they... they did a good job it's just in the very beginning it was confusing because you just seen a whole bunch of people walking out of forest so you're like well where they come from but other than that i mean i enjoyed it for what it was i mean come on it was 1932 so

what more could a day have done yeah i mean here's my take on it you got 1931 we had dracula right so 1932 clearly they did they did it in this one they focused in on the eyes right he was able to do the eyes And, uh, they would do these closeups and then he's able to like squint and then, oh, they're under his spell. And then he'd do this weird Kung Fu grip thing that, you know, would help in that. But, um,

I didn't dislike it. I was telling Pearl in this movie, I tried to put myself back. If I was in 1932 at a theater watching this movie, it would probably terrified me. And the scene with the image of Bela Lugosi coming up in the wine glass, we chuckle at it. We laugh. But in 1932, that had never been done. So stuff like that would have probably been terrifying.

in my opinion. I agree 100%, but I'll put yourself in 1932 and there's a scene at Murder's Factory. He's saving money on labor, so he's got these... basically his zombies doing the work. Well, one falls into the equipment and is instantly killed and the others don't even... It didn't even happen. They just keep on going. They don't stop. And for a movie in 1932, that's, you know, I mean, it is still pre-code. You can still do things like that. But that would be like, holy.

cow what the hell is going on here and i could see that really shaking some people up yeah absolutely and then there's the scene during that whole setup where you talk about dave where the zombies are basically walking this wheel around with with wood levers or whatever and it's like it's this creek the whole time i'm like you know and it's just a a tone that's very

i'll just say it it's annoying to hear yeah but he thought they work long hours they do they never get tired so it's like they just work and work uh i was gonna say that's the tie-in with plague of zombies right right exactly bill uh so for me i mean it's a very enjoyable film but you got to really be in now i'm saying now uh the newer generation and the younger generation and people of our age you got to really love

older black and white film right to get into this and this is going to be one that if you're yeah if you're any which way of of having some attention disorder or something you're not going to like this movie you're going to be all over the place uh your mind will wander your mind will absolutely wander. This movie is 92 years old. That is crazy, dude. Holy crap, 92 years ago. And that's something to even fathom that this movie's still being seen. I was watching this one via...

I think Amazon Prime, I think it was, had a colorized version, and I had to cut it off. I watched about a minute. That would suck so bad. It was bad. That would suck so bad. Yeah, it was really bad. So like a minute and a half.

We're two minutes into this movie. I told Pearl, there's got to be a black and white version somewhere. So we went and found it over on Tubi or whatever. I can't remember where it was. Pluto Tubi something. And we watched it over there because I was like, the color was so bad.

Like so bad. And I was like, no, this needs to be watched in black and white. So watch it in black and white. This is a movie that needs to be black and white. Colorizing this one is, it's like when they colorized the movie suddenly with Frank Sinatra and gave him brown eyes. And the other thing that's funny is like we're now getting remakes of movies that are 30 years old

This is 92, and this could easily be adapted into a modern film. I think it could, yeah. I agree. I agree. Yeah, we could do the judo zombie grip in this one. And I'm pretty sure this is in public domain. I would say so. I would say so. It's on Pluto and everywhere, so I'm sure it is. Yeah, and you get like there are two Blu-ray versions of this from two different companies. One of them was Kino.

Kino put out a Blu-ray. I bet it looked good. I'm pretty sure this is in public domain. Yeah. Isn't it on a lot of those 50 movie sets? It is. Yeah, I had it on one of those. But that shows you right there. But I mean, you can also get this in the $5 Walmart bin. Yeah, exactly. I don't think there's anybody who theoretically would be alive who was involved in this.

And if right now you can't wait to make a Peter Pan horror movie because he's going into public domain, then why can't we get this one back? Yeah, right? Give us something. So, I mean, we know we got the band, Rob Zombie's band, White Zombie.

Tommy clearly took from this, or at least the title itself, which is really killer. It's a fun... film to watch it's it's good to go back and watch these type i bet andrew is in heaven watching this movie uh but i can definitely see people of a certain generation that have a more closed mind just giving it three minutes Yeah, yeah, this will be one, like I said, especially if you have to have something...

action or something happening you're not going to like this movie this is and a lot of the 30s and 40s stickler for you know higher-end movies or you know big budgets or this is not your thing no no no no no this is very I don't want to say guerrilla, but when you're watching it, it is what it is. Now, Dave, you might know, is this considered a poverty row film?

Absolutely. Yeah, I think it's an early version of that. I don't know how if it fits neatly into the poverty row, what would become poverty row. But it is that it is an independent movie made outside the studio system. You know, so I think, you know, but I again, I don't know what.

categorized a poverty role. And that's something that Legosi would become big into later in his career. But I think this is, you could certainly make this, you could certainly make a case that this is a poverty role sort of film. It's an RKO film. And I mean, they did King Kong, right?

So they would have had some sort of thing. But did they produce it or did they just distribute it? Oh, that I couldn't tell you. Yeah, United Artists released it or distributed it. Oh, was it United Artists? Yeah. Okay. Yeah, the funny thing is, here you go, guys. It's only 67 minutes, so it's a really quick movie. It is. The funny thing is, if you go over to Wikipedia, it says 67 minutes or 68. or 70 minutes so it's like which one do you want you want 67 you want 68

You got 70. I was going to say, what's three minutes that they cut in? Yeah, I know, right? I want to know. I must know what three damn minutes. Maybe it's showing the body grinded up. I don't know. You're right, Dave, because it was shot in both. RKO Studios and Universal Studios. It was in Universal as well. They just sort of rented studio space from the two to shoot it there because, you know, being independent, they didn't have theaters. Back then, the studios...

had a lot of the theater, like they were, they controlled the theater. So they would have needed a studio to release this, to get it out to the public. They didn't have really have a means to get it out to the public. Yeah, the actors in this one, really good. I enjoyed that. I thought the acting as a whole, even though you get the over-the-top goofiness of Bela Gosi that works, I love it. I liked the couple in this better than I liked the couple in Dracula, to be honest with you.

Me too. Yeah, I did too. And we will say this. Let's see. The lead, let's go ahead and get them out. So we had Bela Lugosi playing Murder, Lissandra, or Lagandra. You got Madge. Bellamy, who played Madeline, who is the main lady in this one. Dr. Bruner, who is a missionary preacher played by Joseph Cawthorn. Charles Beaumont.

Mr. Beaumont was played by Robert W. Frazier. He's the guy that wants Madeline. He's the one that's head over heels and says, I want to put a spell on you. What kind of answer do you have to be that while you're walking her down the aisle, you're hitting on her? I know, dude. Like, really? And there's one great scene. Well, I say great. There's a really good scene in here where the curse has already been put on Madeline. And she's playing the piano. And Beaumont's watching her play.

And he gets up. He's got a necklace. He goes over and he's trying to hand her a necklace. And she's zombied out, right? She's completely motionless playing the piano. And he puts it around her. And it's a really good scene because it shows... you know, the affection that he had for her, but now he has nothing at all. You know, it's like, well, you know, now I got her, but I don't have her.

So where did I accomplish anything in this matter? Why did I do what I did? Because now I have nothing. You know, I have just a body here that doesn't even recognize me. So, yeah, that was a cool moment. Everything he fell in love with is gone. It's gone. It's gone. And even at the beginning, if you remember at the beginning...

He said, just give me one month with her. And the guy's like, what's one month going to do? And he says, just give me one month. That was a cool scene there as well. But instead, he's like, I've got to have now. I've got hours because she's getting married. John Heron plays Neil. Parker. Brandon Hurst plays Silver, Beaumont's butler. I loved Silver, by the way. I did too. The butler. He was cool. The demise of Silver was unique. He sure knows how to take a header.

Yeah. Yes, he does. And then, let's see. Let's put in Clarence Muse. He's the coach driver. He was kind of cool. Oh, we got to give Frederick Peters a nod. He was a zombie. We got to give him a special credit because he is the first one to say the word zombie on screen. Oh, that's right. That's right. He totally was. Did he call him zombie? Yeah, he did call him zombie. He called them zombies. That's right. And that's like in the first few minutes of the movie. Mm-hmm.

There you go, Clarence Muse. We got another zombie here by Frederick Peters. We got another zombie as Lado, Jean Prince. And the old witch doctor, Dan Crimmins. He played Pierre. He was the old witch doctor. That was kind of cool. Let's give Claude Morgan. Play Garcia. He was a zombie. And we'll give John Ferguson. He played Marquee a zombie. So there you go. There's you some.

and there's just some zombies. So overall, man, this is a fun watch. Barely an hour of your time. Did you mention Velma Gresham? I did, but yeah, go ahead. I was going to say description. Tall maid. Who played short maid? Who was the chubby maid? That's what I want to be called in a movie. I want to be the short maid. Or the long made. Short made one or two. Yeah. I was going to say the other one, Annette Stone, she's just made. So it's tall made. Okay, so it's one. So in other words.

She's like an indistinguishable maid, just a maid, but then there's one who's slightly taller than her, and that's how they had to... You're the maid of the maid. There you go. Let's see. This was a personal favorite of Bela Lugosi, according to his son, Bela Lugosi Jr. A little trivia looking down, some trivia. Not much on this one anyways, but I love that.

I enjoy this one. I really do. So anybody got anything else on this or are y'all ready for a rating? I think I'm ready. I think I'm ready for a rating. All right. So let's go to you, Dave. What you got for White Zombie? I'd give it, I'm going to say 8 out of 10. I think as a classic movie, I think this is definitely worth, it's one that, it is the first full length zombie movie. Not the first one with zombies in it, but the first full length.

It has it has Bela Lugosi, you know, they those those shots with his eyes. Now they go to it a little more often than they did even in Dracula. But I think that that was by design. You know, they're sort of exploiting that facet of Bela's talents. And I do think that there is some genuinely creepy imagery in this. And I think that... Yeah, I say 8 out of 10.

um it's really it's just a little over an hour it's not it's not going to tax too much of your time you do though kind of you know which is unusual to say for these you do have to pay attention because things sort of go real wacky. Yeah. You're kind of like, OK, well, wait a second. I looked away for a second. What did I miss? You know? Yeah. So you do sort of have to pay attention to it, especially as it as it gets to that second half of the film. Agreed.

I agree. We're cool. Eight for Dave. Bill, where are you coming in for White Zombie? I look at this in a way where I have no bias either way. I just wanted to watch the movie. So I give this a six and a half. I think it is well worth watching. As I said previously, if you're a fan of someone of the history of horror films or zombie films or voodoo films or early films in general.

And it's funny, on the bottom of the IMDB page, it says more like this. So you're guiding like the body snatcher, the Val Luton, you know, like the black cat, the old dark cows. And Dave, they mentioned the devil bat before they mentioned a walk with a zombie. Oh, wow. Okay. Interesting. But, yeah, it's not terrible.

But it does have some really cool zombies. I really like the way they walk and the way that they're mannered and the way that they're displayed as characters. But the story is a bit meh. Let's just say if with a bigger budget, I could have used a rewrite, you know, just amp up a little bit more of the terror, a little bit more of the tension. So I think six and a half is a fear. Okay. All right. Pearl, where are you coming at?

I like the part where her scarf got taken. Yes. Forcefully. Yeah. I like, of course, Bella Gossi's performance. I even like the use of the vulture. That sound of that vulture. That damn thing was so goddamn loud. It sounded like a girl screaming. That's what I thought it was at first. I'm like, does nobody realize somebody's screaming? Oh, it's that freaking bird. Okay.

Almost like the giant claw out there. It's the giant claw. After a while, you're like, somebody just take that bird out. It's so freaking loud. This is right up there with the bird that took Dave's hash. I mean, this is the same bird. Yeah, I took my corned beef special. You're damn right. Yes, no. No, that bird was from the bowels of hell. This one is just sound effects that's making it seem so evil. That other bird was straight up evil.

Like Reagan possessed evil. If I ever find that son of a bitch thing. I want to thank Dave that when he took your sandwich. that he probably choked on it and died. I'm going to thank that. Because it did fly off with it. It carried the whole thing off. Son of a bitch, I still see it flying away. You know what I probably think? He probably flew in...

toward the ocean because some birds, other ones came in and probably tried to get it. That's what it is. They try to get it out as far as they can, you know, so the other birds don't get it. Yeah, so he probably flew toward the water and probably Jaws jumped up and took him out. So that's probably.

Yeah, I think the part that hurt the most, like I said, was my last bit of corn beef for the week. And the fact that my wife and two sons were sitting there cracking up. It was the funniest thing they'd ever seen. It was just miserable. I'm sorry, Dave. I'm laughing against you, not at you, buddy. No, no, no. I understand. I understand. Looking back on it now, it's one of those things that just...

Let's move on. Let's move on from the bird and the vulture and the loud noise. Pearl, what you rating? I give it a 7.5. 7.5 for Pearl. And I'm going to come in, I'm going to give it an eight as well and say, if you like the classic films, definitely watch it. get your hands on it. Keno has the Blu-ray, Dave said, and I love Keno. So anything Keno puts out, I would trust. So, uh, you can definitely, there's another one, another Blu-ray, um, that has a commentary. Oh, wow.

that I think I started listening to it. I wasn't able to finish it. And it's, yeah, the Carrie Rohn Signature Edition. I think that's the newer of it. Yeah, that one came out in 2018. The Keno one was from 2013. Now, Keno's might have a... They usually put a... commentary on as well but this carry room signature edition does have a commentary

And there's not a lot else. Let me look. Let me look at the back cover for the Kino one, if it's still available. Yeah, they got quite a few. Oh, they have two versions. Dual edition. includes both a digitally restored version as well as the raw unreleased film transfer on yeah Audio commentary by film historian Frank Thompson. I wonder if that's the same one that's on the Cary Rohn signature. Let me take a look here.

Because if it is, you know what? Don't even bother getting this Kyron signature edition because I didn't think the transfer was all that much better. No, this one has a commentary by author Gary Don Rhodes. So it is a different commentary. Okay. So if you like commentaries, get that one.

Well, just to learn a little bit about it. It has a bonus feature trailer for 1931's Dracula. Yeah. That doesn't appear anywhere else. That makes me want to go ahead and get that. I've got to have that. I would just say... Even though it's the newer version, I would just go ahead and get the Keno if it's available still. It might not be. A lot of these Keno ones drop out of print pretty quick.

But if you can find the Blu-ray for the Kino one, I would go with that one. There you go. All right, so that is our ratings for White Zombie. It's available to stream on many sites, Pluto, Tubi, a lot of different places you can find it. I think I found it. a really clean version on youtube okay and youtube as well so there you go so you can find it out there for free if you want to check it out before yeah thinking about purchasing uh so let's go to a couple voicemails here let's go to uh

Let's go to Derek, uh, Derek Johns. Let's go to Derek Johns. See what he's got. Hey, Creeps, this is Derek Johns calling in from Canada about the voodoo episode. Not too familiar with too many of these movies that I Googled on, but obviously I always... The first one that came to my mind when discussing this was Child's Play and The Skeleton Key.

That was another one. I don't know if that's really a horror movie or more just a thriller, but I always remember enjoying that movie. I haven't seen it in a long time. And then one I've been wanting to check out, but... I don't think I own the movie. It's a serpent in the rainbow, so I think I'm going to have to look it up. I don't think I've ever watched that one. It's one of the holes in the Wes Craven filmography I haven't seen yet.

Anyway, keep up the good work. Really been enjoying the shows. Binged all the five that we were behind in a matter of two days at work. Gave me something to listen to. Can you guys... or record a few more like that so that we can have a bunch more to listen to at work. Thanks, guys. Anyway, keep up the great job. Greg, Dave, Bill, and Pearl. Bye.

What do you think, guys? Record about three or four episodes, drop them at one time, and we all go for that. So people can binge them. We'll take about 12 hours. We'll knock out three, four episodes.

few just random reviews and just kind of greg can piece them together and there you go i'll throw a couple reviews out we'll get up to 600 like we said we'll be at 600 before uh what do you think do you know it yeah and we're at 405 404 right now so 600 we could hit that by the end of the year sure absolutely we got it let's do it all right let's see who else we got here this is uh oh yeah here's eric shaw from utah Hey everyone, Atlanta the Creeps. This is Eric from Syracuse, Utah.

just calling in on thanksgiving by the way so just saying happy thanksgiving to everyone um i'm just calling in because you guys are doing a episode about voodoo so i just wanted to give a shout out to uh child's play and the child's play franchise um voodoo is a big part of at least the original movie and they kind of take it less and less serious as the franchise goes on obviously with the the comedy that comes in later but um

It's definitely a series that I think of when it comes to voodoo, so I just wanted to give it a shout-out. Anyway, looking forward to the episode, guys. And again, just wanted to say Happy Thanksgiving. Hope everyone's doing well, and I can't wait to listen to the episode. All right, bye.

Nice. Appreciate Eric Shaw coming in. Excellent. Keep the calls coming. Yeah. Before we go back to Utah, we'll have to look up for Eric Shaw. Another Utah. I know. We'll have to meet up with you, Eric Shaw, if we come back to Utah. And, uh, hang out with you. Maybe. I don't know if you're in the Salt Lake area or not, but anyways, uh, I know you did win. He won something over on Jay of the dead's new horror movie recently. He did. And that was, that was exciting. I think it was during the, um,

That was the Immacula, right? The video, his short movie, five-minute short video. Oh, it might have been, yes. I think him and Brian Scott and... someone else. I can't remember who the other one was at one hour. It was really cool. If you haven't listened to Jay the Dead's new horror movie podcast, go check out the new episodes and go check out Macula's five minutes short over on YouTube as well.

So here, let's go to 00 Tim. This was funny. He sent us a, he always sends like an email and he sends it in a picture. And he said, here's my Christmas wish for Pearl. So basically, everybody just heard her go, ooh, is because this is the chocolate stream from Willy Wonka's Chocolate Factory. If you've seen the movie, you know what we're talking about, the stream. Yeah, the only problem is that...

Gustus Gloop was swimming around him. Ew. Is that true? Well, that was his wish for Pearl. And he said, Greg, my Christmas wish for you is the same thing, except a river of Jim Beam instead of chocolate. Ooh. Could be interesting. You wouldn't even care if Augustus was swimming around. After about two minutes, I'm good. I don't care. I wouldn't know the difference.

Okay. He said also had to hustle today, so he recorded while driving. Apologized for sound quality. So let's see what we got here. We're going to go to 00TM's voicemail now. This is 00 Tim out on the road in Bloomington, Indiana. And I know it's late, but congratulations on episode 400. That is a massive accomplishment, and I hope you're all proud. You know, 400... was kind of a special episode for me because my very first voicemail I sent in was on episode 200.

Which means I have been crawling out of my introvert shell for 50% of your guys' runtime. That's five and a half years. It's insane. Thank you for making LOTC such a safe and fun place and a great place to just want to keep staying at. So on to the voodoo. I figure you guys are going to cover all the driver's seat voodoo horror. So I'm going to go where voodoo is more like a...

Featured element, more like on the passenger side. And what I got in my top five, starting at five, Child's Play, Asylum, Angel Heart, Don't Torture a Duckling, and Zombie. Before I go, I wanted to say something to Pearl. In my voicemail on the 1979 episode, I used a phrase like, you guys are all national treasures. And that phrase included you, Pearl. I meant guys in the...

generic collective sense. Like, Hey, you guys want to get lunch? Not in the gender based, like guys versus girls sense. And it wasn't until I heard the episode that I thought it could have been taken that way. So I just wanted to make sure it wasn't. taken that way pearl you also are a national treasure and more than that my friend you are a priceless gem i don't think anybody wants to see land of the creeps

Without the twisted temptress weaving her magic in front of the mic or behind the curtains. So I hope you take that to heart, how deeply appreciated and valued you are. Okay. So I'm heading out. All you got. All you people. Purple rock. All right. Double O Tim out. Oh, thank you. That's awesome. Wow, so his first call-in was the Hitchcock episode. It was, yes. That's awesome. And so he's been...

He's been calling in now. He's passed the halfway point. He's called into more episodes or he's been calling for more episodes than he hasn't been. I just barely beat out Tim. Yeah, that's true. That's just barely right. I think it was nine episodes. Oh, man. I love WOTM, dude. What a great guy, for sure. And love that he's come out of that shell.

Yeah, that's great. We'll get them back on at some point. Oh, yeah, absolutely. You know what I love? I love when he's looking for license plates. He is a finder of license plates, that's for sure. Yeah, he just had something he posted recently. Yes, he did. Greg, you mentioned one of your favorite movies, Asylum. I know, right? Boy, don't torture a duckling. I didn't even think about that.

I don't know that I remember there being a voodoo connection to that, but maybe there was. I mean, zombie you could kind of see. You kind of see there being one to that, just the nature of that story. But don't torture a duckling. Wow, I don't recall that. yeah i'll have to re-watch i've only seen it twice so maybe a third time yeah i definitely got to go back and check that one out it's been a hot sack it since ian and i watched it last so uh yeah we definitely got to do that one

So let's see here. Let's go to one more voicemail, and then we'll come to our feature review tonight, our Sacket one there. Let's go to this one. Hey, it's, you know, Dr. Walking Dead. Hey, Kyle. Hey, Kyle. So I'm calling to respond to the Terrence Fisher show. But first off, I did want to say I totally missed out on the vampire show.

And contrary to what people might believe, I think vampires are my favorite of the supernatural creatures. And just to chime in on sort of a discussion you guys are having, for me, my favorite Dracula is Christopher Lee. Christopher Lee is so amazing. I would love it if Dave someday did some sort of Christopher Lee historical retrospective because that guy was amazing. Crazy.

Plus, he played drag kill like a thousand times, and he was a Sith Lord in Star Wars, and he was Saruman in The Lord of the Rings. That guy's pretty amazing. Yeah, super sexy. Super powerful, super terrifying. Good Dracula. All right, so about the Earth Dies Screaming, Bill, I absolutely think it was an inspiration for Night of the Living Dead.

Romero was mostly drawing from the book I Am Legend, and so by extension, probably Last Man on Earth was Vincent Price. But he's been really open about how Night of the Living Dead was a kind of adaptation of I Am Legend. He was clearly super influenced by Hitchcock's The Birds, that whole idea of the siege narrative and boarding yourself up inside a house. He's also, I think, gone on record talking about how influential...

Invasion of the Body Snatchers was because, you know, the people you know and love become the monsters that are after you. So I know those two were influences. I think he drew heavily from Plague of the Zombies, which I think is a Hammer film. I should know that. And I think he was also drawing from white zombie, especially kind of a look and movement of the zombies. But he also gets a lot of that in the plot structure, I think, from Earth Day Screaming.

And I think he may have also dipped in a little bit to Invisible Invaders. So Romero kind of infamously was drawing from lots of different sources as he cobbled together this thing. which ended up being new, even though it was a bunch of old stuff. But yeah, and he would have been aware of Terrence Fisher, I think, without a doubt, because he was a film student. He would have been studying horror films and science fiction movies out the lazu.

I think I ultimately say that those are just zombie adjacent critters. I don't think... They look and act like the early screen zombies, but, you know, they're not actually zombies, but they certainly are zombie-like, zombie-adjacent, etc. So, super cool show. I do love Karen Fisher. I'm not as widely viewed as I'd like to say.

to be so thanks for the recommendations and uh yeah i'll probably call back for whatever this episode is about once i get to the end of the fisher episode but uh hey pearl love you miss you and good work guys and thanks for keeping her alive All right, back at you. Oh, love Kyle, dude. That's my Utahian friend. Always great to hear from Kyle. Yeah, that's great. Kyle's awesome because after, I think he just made the phone call and he messaged me, Bill.

Earth Dies Screaming. Oh, yeah, I know all about that. I reviewed that back in episode blah, blah, blah. So, Kyle, I will go back. I think you referred it to episode 38 or something. I can't remember which one. But I will go back and listen just for you, buddy. I love it. Well, cool. Well, thank you guys for calling in. We'll get into some more voicemails here in a little bit, but I think we'll get to our feature review tonight, our second and final one. All righty, let's get to 1988s.

The Serpent and the Rainbow. We're going to play the trailer now. From Wes Craven, director of A Nightmare on Elm Street. Comes a story of the forbidden world between life and death There's a door to the mystical And you just walk through it Somebody brought him back from the grave. And I want to know how they did it. Death is not the end. I'll take your soul. You think you can take these people's secrets and just walk away?

In the shadows of the imagination lies the ultimate nightmare. Don't let them bury me. I'm not dead. The Serpent And we'll go ahead and head over to you, Bill. What you got for the plot synopsis? Well, I'll give you the extra long version. imdb has oh my god here we go this is epic guys get your get your uh recorders out because you'll want to record this this is going to be epic imdb right all right so this is 1988 rated r one hour 38 minutes

Did six and a half stars or 6.4 stars, which is actually pretty good for IMDb. Here it is, an anthropologist. Goes to Haiti to research a drug that makes someone appear dead by suspending all vital signs. That could be anything. There it is. There it is. Recorded it. Right? You took that. That's going down in epicness. Wow. Dude, the people that come up with these plot synopsis had to be like... authors and and and writers and flat liners

This is like stuff that I would put together. It was a film that in the 80s, even when I was 12, caught my attention. It's one of those films that... You'll probably only see every seven or eight years, ten years, unless you're really big into it. It's not one that's on TV a lot or anything. I digress. We'll get into it. Directed by Wes Craven.

stars a young Bill Pullman. He hadn't quite emerged as an A-list actor at this point. Kathy Tyson, who was in the film Mona Lisa and the TV show Dune Prophecy, among others. Zakes Moke. who is one of those actors that by name you don't recognize, but the moment you see him, you can recall him being in seven or eight different films, all within the genre.

And he's all over the place. And the other film name you'll probably know is Paul Winfield. Yeah. Going all the way back to Aliens, etc. Paul was a Winfield, Dave, in one of the Bond films? Um... I'm not sure. Are you thinking of, like, Live and Let Die, maybe? Or that, or, sorry, maybe I've got to mix up with Yafit Kato. Yafit Koto was in Live and Let Die. That's who, yeah, he was the villain in Live and Let Die.

And so this film starts out, you know, you see someone academic and they're discussing medical. discoveries and research and in a lab, and they get wind of this drug, this phenomena over in Haiti. where there is rumors of people being rising from the dead and living 15 years after they perished. And the people in the universities, and I think this is basically being big pharma.

big pharmacy they're interested in figuring out what it is now they want to know for altruistic reasons yeah money but they want to find out if there's a way they can help out medically getting their hands on this drug or this antidote or this serum that seemingly is doing things that science is bewildered by they have no idea what's going on here

And when the movie opens, there's a little bit of a dialogue at the beginning that's written on screen. And in voodoo culture, a serpent equals the earth and the rainbow equals heaven. The creatures that live on the earth are somehow stuck between living and dying. And so we're kind of playing out what a higher power may be wanting us to do. It was inspired by a true story. I put it in air quotes. How much reality there is, is obviously up to the writers. Right.

I want what Bill Pullman drank at the beginning, playing Invisible Tigers, then drug underground. All of a sudden, you just get sucked down, and I'm like, that's one hell of a drink he's drinking. At the beginning, I wasn't so sure where the movie was going. And then we knew exactly why, where it was going. It's going to Haiti. Now, the one thing with this movie is it's very...

I would call it purposefully paced. There's moments of action, but they are spread purposely throughout the first 45, 50 minutes leading up to the last 20. and so again very much like like zombie if you're one that's looking for thrill a minute jump scares or you know decapitations or eviscerations you're not going to get that right off the hop

This is built on mystery, science, atmosphere, and the unknown. And that's what you're getting with this film. Spooky atmosphere, creepiness, characters that don't always... say exactly as they may be feeling the motivations and actions of some of the people you know and some of them you don't and there might be some subterfuge involved here

it basically is a scientist going back to haiti to investigate people being brought back to life using a white powder there's this mysterious white powder no it's not cocaine no it's not some drug that's recreational. This is something that's being used to raise the dead. And so Pullman goes back, Pullman goes back to Haiti and Mackay. is someone who creates this formula and for a purchase price of a thousand dollars i believe in 1988 he's able to procure the ability to have this powder

And there are people within their society that don't want him to go anywhere with this, both with the physical powder and the knowledge that it brings. And so you're getting Makoe, who... is a rebel leader in a tribe in Africa that's leading the people, the resurgence. And he does not want this being let out.

And Bill Pullman gets worn multiple times. And I'll give it to Pullman. He won't back down. He is one stubborn son of a bitch. At a certain point, he's kind of like, I really got nothing to lose. I'm going to keep plowing ahead. He actually goes back when he doesn't need to. To me, there's way too many scenes of Bill Pullman and his tighty-weights. God, there's got to be at least four or five of them. I've seen enough of them.

but pullman has really cool dreams i will give him that like like he takes you know if you think you have a really funky dream get into his head i found the the acting a bit over the top for me for example when paul warfield has a particular scene, his head flings right off. You're like, okay, I guess that's where we're going with this. You definitely get an island feel during this film.

And you get a sense of the creepiness. But at times the story lets you down. It is slow. Now, if you're, again, somebody that needs a lot happening all the time, you might be a bit disappointed. Stick with it. It's well worth watching. And I would say, other than White Zombie, it's one of the two preeminent films in this subgenre. But to me, I didn't really care about the characters, really. I just wanted to see how it played out.

And I won't tell you how it happens. But I never felt a real emotional attachment to it. Now, is it a good film? Yeah, it's a good film. I'd say watch it if you haven't seen it. Or for like me, I hadn't seen it in many a year. it's worth revisiting because Pullman really does show at this point what's to come with him as an actor. So I won't give my final rating, but I will at the bottom, I wrote down.

The drug slash vitamin slash solution that they are talking about is called tetrodotox. And apparently it's still being used and studied. Is there anybody in our listenership that's in the know about science or medical use? Is this drug actually still studying? Or have they since this movie come out extracted parts that do help society? I really don't know. I didn't have time to look into it.

If anybody knows, let me know. There you go. Oh, cool, Bill. I'm going to go to Pearl because Pearl had never seen this movie.

and uh first time viewing i know you've seen parts i think or maybe bits here and there just first time viewing so let's go to you and then we'll head over to dave what'd you think of it pearl i actually really enjoyed it i mean I mean, of course, I was more into it because knowing that it's a true story, I don't know how much of it is, but apparently the main character was drugged and buried.

you know alive and suddenly came back um i did appreciate all the voodoo stuff in it of course like i mean the i don't know how to say it i uh huashka which is that psychedelic active drink that they gave bill pullman in the beginning i appreciated how they went into detail of he saw his toman uh cheetah

And then he saw his enemy. The gopher dust that they use, that you see so many times being blown at people, you know, to control them or to, like, possess them. I like the... way that the shamans told the witch doctor that possession is like breeding so it's so common so natural I enjoyed this movie. It gave me a few little heebie-jeebie moments and I was into it. I stayed invested and paid attention to it. And I'd recommend it.

Cool. How about you, Dave? What did you think of Serpent and Rainbow, and how many times have you seen it? This was probably my third time seeing it. Like Bill was saying, it's not something I watch all the time. But it does sort of show you that how Wes Craven, he really was a very... He's very interesting director in that in horror, you know, he's responsible for not one, but two franchises to, you know, with Nightmare on Elm Street and Scream.

He sort of launched both of those franchises, you know, obviously at different points. But and then he, of course, was like the last house on the left and the hills have eyes. He sort of had that that rougher. sort of horror film out there, sort of down and dirty type of horror film as well. But then he would always do these sort of off-kilter things, like the people under the stairs. And Deadly Blessings. And this one. This one especially. Because what I liked about it were the scenes where...

they entered the realm of the dream world, like fantasy. I thought those were really where the horror was. And just... how really cool those scenes were. I thought those were really cool. You have this sort of skeleton in a wedding dress that seems to be following. Bill Pullman, every time he's having one of these dreams or fantasies or whatever it is, you can call them, the hallucinations.

And those sequences, I think, are my favorite in the movie. I thought Bill Pullman was good. I mean, he would be better later on. I mean, this is early Bill Pullman. But I really liked Kathy Tyson in this. And I had, Bill, when you pointed out Mona Lisa, I had forgotten about that, yeah, she was the one in Mona Lisa. with Bob Hoskins, which is really cool. But I'm a fan of it. I think it's one of the Wes Craven films that doesn't get the attention it should.

And you can't say that about a lot of Wes Craven's films. Some of them get a little more attention than they should. But this one, it doesn't get brought up enough, I think, by I think it does by people who are really, you know. big Craven fans, you know, they're like Craven aficionados. They'll bring this movie up. But when you're talking about his filmography, I don't think it gets the respect that it deserves. So, yeah, I do enjoy it.

Yeah, I'll piggyback on everybody there. I really enjoy this one as well. And this one I've only seen three or four times as well. I think much like everybody has already said, it's not one that I would go to often. But when I do, I enjoy it. So it's like maybe sometimes it's one of those movies you could put in the list of it's good to watch in time, like not every week, every month, every year, maybe every four or five years.

It's one of those movies that does better to let it sit for a little while and then re-watch. So I feel like that's kind of this movie. And I always get this one in a layer of the white worm for whatever reason, kind of. intertwined even though they're different.

But I don't know. Maybe it's because of the serpent and the burial and all this stuff. But anyway, when I see the serpent rainbow, I always think Lair of the White Worm as well. Lair of the White Worm is also a very trippy, strange movie. But I kind of love that one. It's kind of like do a double feature of these two.

That would be a very, very intense double feature. Yeah, yeah. Your mind's going to go in places. I agree with much of what you said with the dream sequences and the far-out world that Bill was talking about. some tremendous times i mean the spirit animal the leopard or the jaguar was really cool so seeing what you have to do, you know, follow your spirit animal and he'll always guide you type scenario like that. I thought Bill Pullman done good. I'm with you. He wasn't, you know,

Oscar worthy or anything like that, but he definitely played the part the way he needed to play it. I did also like Kathy Tyson. Um, I thought she done really well with her character, but the ones that I really enjoyed a lot in this one. for whatever reason, but I think because of the villain side of them, I really liked, and I got a sneeze. Bless me. Sorry about that. You got a little bit of Pullman drinking. I think I did.

All right. A little bit of Pullman and Drink. You got a little bit of Curly Howard in the way you see. You like that? Uh, for me, it's the villain side of things. I liked Dargent, uh, Patriot played by Zach. Okay. I thought he was great. I loved Louis Mozart, Brent Jennings. I love Mozart's character in this one.

both really good characters too especially that villain man you know he played that you really really dislike this guy well what it was was when you first see him as in that dream state right he sees him yes and you're like okay and then he When he does the nail, and here's the thing, we've got to bring up the nail in the nut sack. Oh. Damn.

In the scrotum. I'm like, oh. Yeah, but Greg, it's a clean right through. Yeah, that's true. He didn't do it to, what was it he said? He didn't do it to basically mutilate. He did it for. Fear. Yeah, I'm fearing. I'm fearing. As soon as I saw that big spike, I'm like, oh. You come in my scrotum with a nail. I'm going to start fearing.

Somebody's got my nutsack and a nail. Yeah, I'm doing whatever you say. Yeah, I've got you. I'm your bitch now. I will give you every bit of the Army's plans. I will tell you. whatever you want to know he's got the codes it's all yours just don't come down on the nutsack uh but no that scene right there was so oh my god dude i just cringe every time i see that i've seen it four three four times now and it just

And it's not like you see it. Sometimes not seeing something is more effective than seeing it. It's just the effect and hearing that scream. I feel you, brother. I feel you. Just some really good scenes in this. Visually, this is a trippy movie. I agree with you, Dave, on Wes Craven. uh man how he gave us so many different films right like we went down uh you go with the slashers you got those you got the trippy movies like this one um deadly blessing

You know, we get that. There's just so many movies that I feel like he gave us such a different feel. And he's just... i don't know man it's just really good uh so for me i really enjoy i think this is really good i think everybody should check this one out

even on it like you know if you want to pick up the blu-ray if they still have i don't know i haven't searched it out i actually do not own this one so this is one no i do i'm sorry i own this one i said i don't own it i own this one on a four pack guys a dvd four pack four pack with

Yes. I have that same four pack. Hang on, let me pull out. I've got my DVD right here, so y'all keep talking. You literally rolled. I'm trying to think what other movies are on there. I want to say that a part... or two of something on that uh yeah I have it here. I actually have it on a different pack than you have it on, Dave. The one I have it on is a four-movie midnight marathon pack zombies. It has George A. Romero's Land of the Dead. It has the remake of Dawn of the Dead.

It has John Carpenter's Prince of Darkness, and then it has The Serpent of the Rainbow. Like, holy crap, dude. Those are some pretty solid films. I mean, the one I have, it's just a cult horror collection four-pack. And it has, you know, that snake movie with Strother Martin and Dirk Benedict. It has A Serpent and the Rainbow. It has Phantasm II.

And it has the fun house. Toby Hooper's the fun house. I feel like I own that one too. I think I actually do own that one as well. I'm pretty sure. Because when you said that, I know I have the S. No, wait, no, this one I have is on there with the Sentinel as well, so that's what I have that one on. Okay, so that's a different one, yeah, but boy, I picked this one up early. No, I got this one back in 2011. Wow. All right. Right when you did your review of the blog. There you go.

There you go. Cool. The Serpent and Rainbow Fun Watch. I recommend checking it out. We'll give our ratings and see if it's worth the purchase. I already said it is, but anyways, we'll go back to that. Let's go to you, Mr. Bill, since you started this off. What is your rating on this movie, my friend? 7 out of 10.

7 out of 10. And would you, well, you wouldn't because you don't purchase movies. No, but if I did purchase, I would consider this, if I'm going to buy any in the genre, this is the one I'm going to buy. Okay, so it's definitely worth the purchase. Yep. All right, cool. And what did you say it was again? I'm sorry. Seven out of ten. Seven out of ten. Yeah, I did that. The movie. Who names a movie? Like, really? Like, literally? How are you going to?

David Fincher. Yeah, that's right. That's who would do it. In this case, it was directed by... Bernard Kowalski. But who produced it? Richard Zanuck. The producer. This is before Jaws. He did this a couple years before he produced Jaws. There you go. Hey, get your hands on it, man. Let's see here. All right, so Dave, where do you come in on the rating for this one? I'm going to say the same as White Zombie. I'm going to say 8 out of 10.

It's definitely worth picking up. I don't know if there is there a Blu-ray. I know there's a standalone DVD as well as these other collections, but I don't know if it's on Blu-ray or not. It would be nice if it is. There is a Blu-ray available on Amazon.

for this one. It is a collector's edition for $26 if you want to get it on Amazon or you can pick up the DVD for like nine bucks uh the collector's edition and i'm trying to find the uh it looks like a screen factory yeah it is it's a shout factory so they do a great job with it yeah why do i think i had this god dang

I think I do own this on Screen Factory. I'm such a dumbass. I'm almost positive I own this Blu-ray. I'm like really... questioning myself when my movies are so far over and i'm blind as a bat and i can't see them but uh i feel like i own this over there somewhere but anyways regardless uh 26 screen factory you can probably find on ebay as well so

uh there you go so eight for dave pearl what you come in on this rating i give it a 8.5 8.5 for pearl and that would definitely be one you want us to pick up on yes okay so this would go in your shelf no Not in your shelf? Nope. Okay. So to kind of pull back to Kurt, we have Pearl's Shelf and then we got My Shelves. And Pearl's Shelf is the movies that are really... Stuff that she really enjoys. Rocky, Superman, Labyrinth.

John Wick. John Wick. All the fantasy anthologies. Yeah, stuff like that. So I always ask her, would this go in my shelves or your shelf? Because her shelf is a little more limited and it's stacked now. She's got... you know a few hundred in her shelf and it's a small shelf it's stacked to the rim uh but yeah Yeah, and trust me, it's a small shelf. It goes up to my waist while his gold passes head. Yeah, I've got her. It's like a three shelf bookshelf, but it's like stacked from top to bottom.

too deep and stacked on top yeah it's time to upgrade her into a A little bigger one. Maybe one day. We'll see how it goes. All right. Well, cool. That is your review. Oh, wait. I gave my damn rating. What the fuck am I talking about? Oh, yeah. Let's see. I'm going to come in with a eight. I'm going to come in with an eight, and I'm going to say purchase as well. So there you go. Serpent and Rainbow.

Get your hands on it. Let's go to some voicemails, guys. I'm ready for some voicemails. Let's hear what everybody else has got here. Trying to remember. We left off with Kyle. Kyle Bishop was our last call. So let's go to this one. stand up next to a mountain and chop it down with the edge of my hand. Well, I stand up next to a mountain and chop it down with the edge of my hand. Cause I'm a voodoo child. Y'all know I'm a voodoo child. Yeah. Land of the creeps. Chris Bartoli here.

I just had to do that. Sorry if anybody's listening to this first thing in the morning. Probably not the wake up you wanted to hear, but hey, what the heck. So that was the first thing I thought of when I was listening to the last episode. And you're like, yep, the next one is going to be voodoo. Well, the first thing I thought of was, yeah, Jimi Hendrix Experience, Electric Ladyland, great album close with Voodoo Child. And the other thing I thought of was Zombies, the pre-Romero Zombies.

because those were mostly voodoo based, you know. And so I was like, okay, I don't have a huge, like, knowledge with the voodoo movies, but that's okay. I figured I could call with a few things. like one zombie movie uh lucio fulci zombie which is probably one of my favorite zombie movies but that one it's kind of like a cross between voodoo zombies and like the dawn of the dead zombies but so it is that in

Then there was another movie that I remember seeing like a long time ago. It came out in 77. The book was written by the same guy that did Jaws, Peter Benchley, and it was The Deep from 1977. And I remember the first time I saw it, I don't even remember what it was. I'm sure that I was younger. I was pretty disappointed. I was thinking it was going to be like another Jaws. Even the post, it kind of looked the same.

you know so i wasn't too impressed and then maybe like a decade later i watched it again and you know i liked it a bit better if i do remember there being a voodoo element to that movie as well But it's been so long since I've seen that that I really can't even comment on it that much. But I just remember that that was a movie that had voodoo in it. I don't even know if you'd consider it a horror. It was more like an adventurous suspense.

One movie that I did get to watch, which definitely had a lot of voodoo in it, and it's funny, too, because a month ago, the Criterion Collection had their 50% off sale, and I picked up a few titles. And one of them was a double feature as I walked with a zombie and the seven victim. And I hadn't watched it yet. But I knew that, yeah, I walked with a zombie, had the voodoo. I think I remember hearing it from...

Dr. Walking Dead on his Dead Men Still Walking. So I was excited to hear that. I said, well, this is great. I can actually open up and watch those movies. I did watch both. But I walked through the zombie. I liked it a lot. That was from 1943. And, you know, early horror movies like that, it's hard to compare it with more modern ones. But like I said, I... And guess what? He's going to get bitched.

Bartoli getting bitched. You got bitched. It's a rites of passage. It is. It is. That's right. Let's go to a second call. Hey, everyone. Chris Bartoli again.

Boy, when I was thinking back, when I was getting ready to call my dad, I don't really have a lot of voodoo stuff. So this will probably be like a really be able to do this in one column and I just gone tangents or something. But that's OK. So. I was talking about I Walked With a Zombie from 1943, and I think I was going to talk about the voodoo rituals that they showed were pretty intense.

i mean i've never been to a voodoo ritual thing before but to me they seem like they could have been pretty realistic and the plot of the movie was had was pretty interesting too um it was kind of like a loveless triangle in there and I mean, as far as, like, scariness, you know, like I said, it would definitely be considered, I'm sure, horror in 1943, but it's not the most scariest movie you'd ever see. But when the protagonist, Betsy, was taken...

Jessica, who was really sick, she was almost zombie like herself, to see the voodoo priest at the home fort or something like that. The walk that they... take to get there was real creepy a lot of bizarre voodoo imagery along the way um whether it be like it looked like a dead dog hanging from a tree from skulls you know laid out

on the ground as they're making their way through like the uh like the wooded area i guess or whatever and then when they come to the uh was it like the keeper of the crossroads i think his name is like careful or something like that and He was definitely like a zombie. And he was real scary looking. And I'm thinking, honestly, back then, it was a pretty disturbing scene. There wasn't really a lot of makeup. It's just, well, I'm sure there was some, but...

But he was real creepy looking. They'd show him a few times throughout the movie, and he would probably have been the scariest part of it. But it kind of ends on a down note as well. That I really really like that one and that would be my and that was also I don't if I mentioned that was a first time watch for me first time I seen that one or the other one is seven victim, but that's had nothing to do with Voodoo that's more like Satan and stuff, but

Both very good movies. If you don't mind, you know, the older stuff, the black and white, I would say check it out because they're really good. But anyways, that's all I got. So Land of the Creeps, love everybody, man. Thank you for everything, and thank you for keeping horror alive. Bye.

I love Chris Bartoli, dude. That's so freaking cool. I love that he started off with some Jimi Hendrix, man. That was really cool. Yeah, Jimi Hendrix is the greatest. I love that. I've gotten to know Chris a little bit. over the last little while. He loves his movies. He loves his music. So laid back. Love having him as a listener. Keep him going. And you did the Jimi Hendrix version, obviously. But Stevie Ray Vaughan had a hell of a version as well.

That's true. Hell yeah, he did. Let's go to next call. Let's go to Victoria. See what she's got. Hey, Land and Creeps, Victoria calling in for the voodoo horror episode. First of all, I hope everyone had a great Thanksgiving and ate too much. um had good times with friends and family um i had a great thanksgiving so when i was looking at movies

that, you know, specifically booty magic, not, you know, just regular witch or just any kind of magic, demonic or something like that. I realize I've not seen a whole lot of them. There were some I just hadn't seen. But there are some. Obviously, I think it's going to get mentioned is the Serpent in the Rainbow. I haven't seen that one in years.

You should probably revisit it. The Skeleton Key. I have not seen it since I originally saw it when it came out, and I actually still remember the ending. It was... I know it's early 2000s, but it was one of my first horror movies I remember seeing and having that effect on me. I remember really liking it. Obviously, the Child's Play series and Angel Heart, which was a first-time watch for me last year, and I really enjoyed it.

So for some other ones I have, oh, Lucio Fulci Zombie, that was a first time one for me this year, and I had a blast with it. Some ones that aren't from movies but segments from anthologies. I have Trilogy of Terror with Amelia with the aboriginal little warrior doll. That's a little scary doll, you know. She's a little spear. Anyway, I have From a Whisper to a Scream from 1987.

with a much elderly, more elderly Vincent Price in that role. And one of the segments is called On the Run, where Terry Kaiser... who obviously weekend at Bernie's and then he's on the Friday the 13th of New Blood as Dr. Cruz. He plays a man set in the 1960s. who has gambling debts and he's like living on the bayou kind of and they come for him and like these gangsters come for him so he takes off and he gets shot but takes refuge in the

Like this swampland where this man takes him in and takes care of him. I was trying to keep it to the middle bench. But let's see if I can just do the one. Anyway, like I said. Terry Kaiser is a nurse back to health and healed with this voodoo magic this older gentleman has.

he is looking over i don't have the name of the character i forgot to write that down i apologize but anyway he he starts looking around the man's home when he's not there is shack and he starts realizing he's a lot older than the old timer he thinks he is. And so he realizes this guy knows some voodoo. He knows, you know, this magic. So he's going to get it for himself.

And a twist comes at the end that I'm not going to reveal because it is really good. So I highly recommend From a Whisper to a Scream. All the segments in it are good, but I highly recommend On the Run. And the other one I have... is from the Vault of Horror from 1973, a segment called Drawn and Quartered. It stars Holm Baker, so, you know, I'm going to enjoy it, my first doctor.

And he is a painter living in Haiti because, from what he knows, his paintings are worthless. He's been told that they don't sell, that no one wants them. So he... goes to Haiti and he's living there kind of impoverished and so he an old friend comes and sees him and says no no no your paintings are highly praised or what you know millions I think he says

So, again, I forgot to write down the character's name, but Tom Baker goes back and, excuse me, he goes and asks the tribe in there that for... for magic for voodoo and you know he goes to the guy and he says um what do you want he says i want to buy voodoo he says put your hand in pot and he looks and it's boiling i just i just love tom baker's little bit no

Long story short, he does get the voodoo magic to where what he paints happens. And he goes to get revenge on the critic and the... I guess the guy that does the marketing for it and the other guy, I don't remember exactly what job it was, but he paints things happening and then they happen and unfortunately...

He has a self-portrait that he painted previously, and that comes into play. Again, I don't want to say what happens because I think it's worth the watch. That's it. I'm not going to get benched again. I hope everyone's doing well. I can't wait to hear the episode, and I'll talk to you all later. Bye. See, determined she's not getting benched a third time.

Right. It's it's really interesting. Everything, you know, that a lot of people are bringing up, including, you know, Bill initially and and and you, Greg and Pearl are a lot of short. like segments of anthologies. or television, like episodes of TV series dedicated to zombie. It seems like there have been more short subject zombies than there are, than there, well, there definitely have been, than there have been feature length.

zombie film. I keep saying zombie too. Voodoo. A lot more shorter voodoo films than the feature length. And that's really interesting because so when you get a serpent in the rainbow or white zombie or I walked with this. zombie or you know the skeleton key which now i'm really wishing i saw yeah um you know because even in something like angel heart

That's not a straight up total voodoo. I mean, that's dealing with like the demonic as well, like like Satan and and contract with it, with with the devil and things like that. But when you get those full. length voodoo films. They're really something special because there just aren't that many of them. Exactly. And I think that's where we're at. I think because everything's so limited to amounts that...

They're kind of impactful because there are so many limited ones. You know what I mean? It's not like an influx of zombie films where we got... bill you mentioned earlier like thousands like literally thousands and thousands where zombie film i mean voodoo films were literally looking at you know a handful Right. As far as feature length. Right. But so many great segments from anthology films. So many TV series. I'm really anxious to check out that cold track. I've been wanting to break that.

series out again and just watch a couple episodes just because I'm Darren McGavin is so great as Kolchak in that series and the movies that inspired the series and the series itself that I want to check out that one that was brought up. But, yeah, it's really very interesting how it seems to work more in a short subject or in a shorter format. At least that's what people think, and that's where it's been addressed more often than in feature length.

But I knew it would be Victoria that was the only other one with me that brought up the Tom Baker segment. I know she does. And I've talked about Doctor Who with Victoria as well. Like me, Tom Baker is our doctor. Victoria's pretty sharp with a lot of the stuff. I often go to her if it's a new film or she'll bounce something off me because she's seen four times as many 2024 films as I have. Oh, she's crushing the new films.

aspect to this is you know we're lamenting the fact that there isn't a lot of voodoo films or ones that feature voodoo as the main thrust of a horror film And that's interesting because in the last 10 years or so, I'd say there's a big influx in religious horror. Well, voodoo is tied in with Catholicism back in Haiti. It's all... based upon spells and voodoo and the Haitian culture are tied in, as I said, with being Catholic. They're one in, you know, they're brother and sister.

So you'd think maybe that that strain would go in towards the movies, but it really hasn't. And, you know, we talked about it being working well with. short segments versus long format films and part of that is because i don't think it's really part of our culture like zombies are now inbred i mean they're now mainstream you can buy you know zombie meals a mc zombie meal

McDonald's or something, but you don't get voodoo. Sure. You know, to me, I mean, something I'm going to bring up with a phone call that comes in later. To me, the biggest person involved in voodoo that's been in culture in the last 70 years is Screamin' Jay Hawkins, the singer. I put a spell on you. And when he performed on stage, he was in full nose gear.

You know, small outfits that you would wear with loincloths and walking around the stage. You just don't like it's a part of the world that not that many people have been to. You know, the depths of Africa. How many people visit Haiti, Dominican Republic? Like, it's not, you know, at the forefront. More people talk about Krampus than they do about voodoo. So it's not something that...

You're going to have to build an audience for these kind of films. Yeah. And I'm wondering if it is that religious aspect that might be holding it back. Could be. Like, nobody wants to be that filmmaker that defames a religion that gets people outside protesting. Yeah. And maybe that is. So there is an element to that as well. Maybe that is it. Pearl, what do you think? You kind of think that is? I mean...

There's got to be a reasoning behind it because I wouldn't think it would be that difficult to make a voodoo type film. I think there's more secrecy to voodoo than there is in comparison to like black magic and witchcraft and all that other stuff. I mean, it's more...

I would think it's more of a protection where, like, they're more afraid. Like, I mean, you got, like, extra test movies, you know, things happen on set, blah, blah, blah. But, you know, you go to church, you got the Bible, you say prayers. There's not so much you can do to save yourself when it comes to voodoo and black magic. So maybe it's a taboo thing. They're just afraid. Maybe filmmakers are afraid to really dive.

Because you got to do your research. You're going to go in and you start doing things. You never know playing a certain song or certain music. You never know, man. I mean, I don't want to touch it. Well, yeah, that's the thing about voodoo. You got to be very careful what you say, what you do. I mean. what you have on you i mean it's just a lot of people like yeah it's just a bunch of mamba jumbo it's like well no i mean people put a lot of energy and a lot of the other aspect of voodoo

Obviously, they go for the evil curses, and that's what gets all the eyeballs on the screen. But just so you know, some initial research over the years on voodoo.

I mean, you can give positive spells. Not everything is doom and gloom. Well, that's what voodoo originally was. Voodoo was nature. Voodoo was healing and talking to your ancestors, looking for guidance, getting all that stuff. But... like anything anything has the good and evil and evil rules yeah apparently in that section now that you know now it's all about like hexes and spells and you know getting back at like

you know, poisons and curses, possessions, you know. So it's... Who thought I could do this episode and tie in Ronnie James Dio? I did. But I mean, it's true because... I mean, honestly, what sells blood, boobs, and beasts? Not positivity. So anytime there's voodoo involved in something like this, they temper the positive end of it.

And they always talk to, you know, I want to kill your sister or whatever, you know, but they don't ever talk about, you know, rising someone from the dead for a positive purpose. Well, I guess to go ahead. Wasn't there an episode of... sort of Gilligan's Island where there were like dolls.

of all seven castaways yeah i seem to remember at one point the person did that holding them over fire and their feet all started to burn and then gilligan found the dolls and there was like each one had a um like he's like hey here's my rabbits foot, and here's, you know, a personal item from each one of them was needed with these dolls. Who would have thought Gilligan's Island would have given us insight into Voodoo?

Yeah, I remember that episode. Boy, you're scraping back, Dave. Yeah, I know. I haven't seen it in decades, but I just seem to remember. I don't even remember.

like like the the whole story of it or what exactly happened i just seem to remember that a scene of their dolls of them being held over a fire and their feet starting to burn yeah what do you think of this like what if The reasoning behind it is, okay, so you take... religious horror you take exorcism movies you got god versus the devil right so you got good versus evil i think that's with any horror movie you always have good versus evil you always have the devil getting the upper hand but god

coming out at the end right with voodoo i think it's a little different i think it's just a little different the casting of spells and the the rituals and all this thing maybe it's because it's a little different with the take of the final outcome right because

taking the hex away or taking the curse away or whatever, you know, is it truly fully gone or whatever? I mean, I don't know, maybe in a movie stance, maybe it's a little bit more difficult to kind of pit God against devil or, you know, whatever. I don't know. There's always a sacrifice. There's always something that gets taken away no matter what. I don't know. I'm curious why. Filmmakers tell me why there's not many.

Voodoo movies. I don't know. I was going to say Brian Barsulia or Hugh Lloyd or any of our friend James Dean. Let us know. Or maybe we'll inspire you to create a zombie voodoo hex. With some positivity. Let's go. I like that one. Let's go to Greg Bench. All right, land of the creeps. It's Greg from Ohio. And, ah, yes, the old voodoo. Voodoo economics. No, not really voodoo economics, but voodoo and voodoo movies. So, you know, Serpent and the Rainbow was...

Literally the first movie that popped in my head when you suggested Voodoo. And then it went right to Child's Play because, you know, of his incantation and all that. I mean, there's so much. so much that just popped right into my head and you know i even double checked if shocker but i knew that wasn't but it was just that kind of a kind of a thing and uh the skeleton key

I thought maybe Get Out, but Get Out was completely different, but yet it still had that voodoo-esque feel to it. But I was also, as I bruised through the list, Some jumped out at me that I would rather mention. And because they're not horror movies. But still, equally as worthwhile watching. Like Scooby-Doo. on zombie island yeah you know totally out of the wheelhouse of horror but yet it kind of rides that ridge um and i mean and it's just a fun watch

especially if you have the kids. But Pirates of the Caribbean, that whole series is all about voodoo and voodoo magic and some cool, cool stuff. But... And somebody may have even said it. I'm looking at Dave, Dr. Schockbecker. Maybe he suggested it or said it. But my favorite, and he knows where I'm going with this, my favorite. Roger Moore movie is 1973's Live and Lead Die. And there is voodoo in that movie, and it is cool. And it's...

You know, it was such an awesome movie to bring back James Bond, not from a failed attempt, but just from that 60s. And then they brought... Bond back with Sean Connery and Diamonds Are Forever. But it wasn't until he said, I've had enough, and they get Roger Moore straight out of the gate with probably my favorite and the best of the Roger Moore series. Live and let die. So that's all I got, you know. Keep it at life. Keep it flavorful. And we'll talk at you later. Live and let die, Dave.

We name-checked it because we were talking about Paul Winfield in the AFT COTA. We name-checked it, but I was going to bring it up, and I figured, you know, Greg is definitely, he is the James Bond guy, so I figured he would definitely bring up Live Inlet. Right. That does have a voodoo aspect to it. I have it as one of the better Roger Moore Bond films as well. I might have it at number two, maybe behind The Spy Who Loved Me.

And I also liked For Your Eyes Only quite a bit. But for Roger Moore, yeah, that was a great one right out of the gate with Live and Let Die. And that absolutely does have a voodoo aspect to it. He is 100% correct, and I'm glad he brought it up, but Greg Bench would be the one to bring it up. He is the James Bond guy. And an excellent sound. soundtrack. It's my favorite theme song. Well, I shouldn't say it's my favorite theme song. It's my favorite Paul McCartney and the Wings song.

by a long shot it's my favorite paul mccartney and wing song um but uh you know but it's also one of my favorite uh theme songs uh from a from a bond film yeah i'll go with that or hi hi hi That's Bill overnight. I just was never a Paul McCartney and Wings fan. I just... think his best work was behind him at that point, and I still think his best work was behind him, even with his solo work and everything. I think the other Beatles sort of outshone him, outshined him when the band broke up.

Yeah, I chose that because I'm super friendly. Hi, hi, hi. Yeah, buddy. All right. So let's go to Ian Urza. Hey, Land of the Creeps, it's Ian Urza here.

uh sending you a recording about the voodoo horror movies episode this is not necessarily a topic i'm a huge aficionado of i you know i looked it up and i was looking at the movies i'm like oh i've seen some of these and i'm you know awaiting see what you guys pick and what some of the listeners pick because I think there's going to be a lot of movies there that I probably haven't seen and maybe some that I haven't even heard of.

As far as some of my favorites go, I really like Serpent and the Rainbow, a really good Wes Craven film. I always admire Wes Craven's ability to do something different for his horror movies, right? He never really stuck with one thing necessarily.

I mean, yes, he made sequels to some of his movies, but he never seemed to get pigeonholed into one particular genre or one particular movement. And Serpent in the Rainbow is definitely a good example of his work trying to do something a little different. And there was a couple movies, one in particular, that I saw that people were watching and I saw the poster for that I hadn't seen. And I was like, I got to see this, which is the Val Lewin movie. I walked with a zombie and I really.

kind of enjoy the idea of... Almost any voodoo zombie movie. Because I like the idea that zombies were brought back by voodoo. I kind of like that. Just that idea. White zombie being a great example of that. But even Lucio Fulci's Zombie 2. I don't think a lot of... of people talk about this but in that movie they do say

voodoo is the thing bringing the the dead back to life and Richard Johnson says it at one point and he's talking to you know Al Cliver's character and Al Cliver's character explains what voodoo is he's like oh it's a religion brought by the the Spanish conquistadores and you know, the Africans that came from the slave trade. So that was an interesting aspect to that film.

As far as others go, I mean, you've got a couple of blaxploitation movies in there. Scream, Dracula, Scream. Pam Greer actually plays a voodoo priestess in that one. Not one of her better roles, honestly. She's a little bit more of a victim in it.

and a little bit more vulnerable in it than the character she normally plays. She's definitely not a tough woman in that film. William Marshall is still really great in it, though, and you feel his pain as this vampire who kind of wants to find a way to die, really. kind of an interesting aspect of that film.

And Sugar Hill is another really good one. The one with Marky Bay as a main character. In that one, you do get one of my favorite lines from, I think, the bartender at one point when he's like, allow me to introduce you to my favorite. drink the zombie so there's there's a lot of there's some good you know voodoo horror movies out there and

I'm eagerly awaiting some of your choices and the choices of the listeners as well. And as always, guys, thanks for letting us send in our recordings and our phone calls to the show. And I hope it goes well. Cool. Cool voice, man. I agree with you. I love when he does his voices, man. If you don't listen to Black Glove Mysteries, you need to because Ian's always coming up with something at the intros or every movie or every episode, I should say.

hilarious man love it if there's anybody that can bring al cliver into a conversation it's you dang right i love it and it's it's interesting because like like i said i haven't seen a scream blackula scream and it's kind of hard to imagine pam grier not playing a strong character i don't i don't that It doesn't happen often. I don't know that it's happened in any of the Pam Greer movies that I've seen, so that's interesting. She's usually kicking butt and taking names. Yeah, absolutely.

Cool. We got, as we are recording, we only have two more voicemails left. Now I'm not going to say there's not going to be some come in later on that we'll try to squeeze in here because we are recording a little bit earlier than what we normally do. And I think we know who last is. Well, we're going to play that one now. We're going to play Brian Scott first, and then we'll get to Greg P and Amy Lee. So let's go to Brian Scott and see what he's got for us.

Hey guys, Horror Movie Fanboy here. And my voodoo movie pick is Zombie Nightmare. It's a slasher movie from 1987. Starring... tia career in her first movie ever besides tv work she had done prior it's got adam west batman in it and in the first five minutes typical setup of a slasher a baseball player dies but then it goes supernatural because a voodoo lady resurrects him to get revenge on all the people responsible for his death so

It's a supernatural slasher killer, which is all right, I guess. But what's unique is he uses a baseball bat. And this isn't an amazing movie. I'd say around a 6 out of 10. But I tried to pick something unique that nobody else may bring up. In fact, Bill the Butcher, I think, do you remember? I think we covered this on Phantom Galaxy a few years ago. So you might remember Zombie Nightmare. And that's about all I got to say. Suffer L-O-T-C for life.

Brad Scott. That's the first time we heard that movie tonight. Greg, it stars you. Who the star is? Your good buddy John Micklethor. You daggone right it does. Hello. But it's also got this really odd role with Adam West. Working as a police officer in this film. Wow. Yeah. I can't picture him delivering his dialogue any differently than he did Batman. But a very young Tia Carrera.

Before, you know, she kind of blew up a bit. It's such a beauty. Low budget, yeah. Good production quality, no. Much of a story, not really. But it is interesting. IMDB gives it a 2.7. Screw that. I wouldn't say 2.7. I'd put it at about a 4 to a 5. Thor and Tia Carrera get you up to a 5. But seeing Adam West... in like a three-piece police officer's suit. That's an extra point there. That's a six. I want to see Adam. I got to see him. Like I said, whenever I...

See, Adam West, even later on when he became sort of a self-parody in the way that William Shatner has become a self-parody, where he's sort of mocking his Batman delivery. I mean, even in The Family Guy, he's the mayor. he's delivering his dialogue. Oh yeah, Family Guy. I thought it was Simpsons. That's right. It's available on Tubi. And King of Queens. He did a cool episode over on King of Queens. What was his name?

Doug's, uh, Greg James. No, not Doug, but the other one. Oh God, he works down in the subway. But anyways, uh, he's wanting to go to one of the conventions and he invites Lou Ferrigno. Cause he's like, Oh, we got to have the Hulk.

Well, then Batman comes down, you know, Adam West. And he's like, oh, I've got to have Batman. So he's going to take Batman instead. And then he has to leave Hulk out. Well, then they both find out that they'd asked each other. But anyways, they're like, he lost out on both. He was getting ready to have the Hulk. Batman. Come on, dude.

Yeah, Vince. You're thinking of a Simpsons episode with Adam West. Yes. I mean, he played Adam West. He plays Mayor West. Mayor West. There you go. I thought it was. is hilarious where he says, how come Batman doesn't dance anymore? Remember the Battoosie? I think Bart says to Lisa, just back away slow. i love it uh cool we got one more voicemail as we're recording we'll play that now and then we'll come back and do some follow-up and uh finalizations here so let's go to Greg P. and Amy Lee.

Hey, this is your gruesome twosome coming to you from Georgia, just shy of Atlanta. We don't claim that, though. No, definitely not. But we're somewhere in the south, in the spooky south. for the Voodoo episode. Oh, we get to talk about the cat. Yeah, we can talk about the cat anytime you want. She does kind of...

have that whole soul sucker thing. Yeah, she does. She yawns, if anyone's seen my Facebook. That's probably true, too. So, yeah, we have a cat named Voodoo who can open her head as wide as, like, um... Those things on, um... Alien or something, maybe. Oh. What? What movie? You've got to come up with the name of it. I know, but my brain hurts. Well, think about it. And you're also a deathly allergic to her, so she does try to suck your soul out. Yeah.

kind of allergic to her but i love her yeah i know you do she's obviously my favorite cat i'm guessing since we're recording we're probably not talking about her but they don't mind that kind of stuff anyhow so this is for the food Voodoo edition of Land of the Creeps. I tend to like these type movies. We saw two movies for this episode.

Mainly due to time, it's the holidays, as well as we're both trying to get over the voodoo that has taken over both of us and made us into walking zombies. It's going on three months. It's ridiculous. I'm over it. Yeah, I know. Yeah. We keep giving it back and forth to each other, I guess. I don't know. Or whatever this nonsense is. But one of which I'm sure that has been talked about in...

You know, ad nauseum is Serpent and the Rainbow, mainly because it is kind of the forefront movie for this type of thing, at least in the recent modern era, I guess you'd say. I had never seen this before. I realize you have not seen that. movie certainly the rainbow came out in 1988 it's a west craven film kind of a departure from any of his nightmare damn street type stuff stars uh at that time uh Little known Bill Pullman, who went on to be, you know, relatively a big star.

Paul Winfrey, who I knew from Sounder and from Star Trek, the Rathacon. He was also in The Terminator. He plays one of the policemen in that. And then... I think it's Zeke Mackay, which I showed you in Waterworld the other day. A South African actor who plays a police chief slash voodoo priest.

It's creepy. Yeah, it's creepy. It's loosely based on nonfiction works by a Wade Davis. So this film I saw originally in the year that it came out. I'm pretty sure I saw it on... VHS and just really enjoyed it because it was a different kind of horror film it wasn't your typical slasher and by that time 88 most of your slashers had gone completely over the top and were just you know they were more like superhero movies. It was a nice change of pace. I really liked the lore of the film.

And that'll wrap around later. It'll come back to something I want to talk about. But this movie, again, loosely based on a nonfiction. Not, like, dead chickens or anything? Oh, I don't know. Because that's what I associate with, like, food. Well, exactly. No, no, you remember in the movie, he was researching the drug. Yeah, drugs.

you know the drug and how could it help people as a painkiller or whatever anesthesia big pharmaceuticals so sent him out to uh hunt for this stuff and come up with the concoction that they do i have to go back and look at exactly what they use that because they actually do use parts of that drug nowadays but I forget what it is and maybe somebody has covered that in the podcast I don't know i think one of the biggest things i like was the atmosphere it was very spooky

It had a very spooky feel to it. And I remember the first time I watched it, I was very unnerved by it. To be a fairly old movie, I mean, it was done really well. Right. I know y'all laugh at me for an 88 movie being old, but... And it kind of is. Well, yeah, it's almost 40 years. Not quite.

I guess anything over 20 years is technically... You're saying Bill Coleman was unknown at the time. It was funny to me because that's all I've ever known him as. Yeah, he was a big star. I think one of the first things you said is, oh, look how young he is. He was super young.

was very very young you had brought up a certain scene which oh nail through the balls yeah nail through the scrotum was um pretty scary i don't even have that it made me cringe yeah i know but yeah it was definitely one of those parts that made you i don't know i think the being buried alive thing was one of the worst things ever you know that he wakes up while he's under the ground and he was that with a spider yes he had a spider and basically he's paralyzed you know that is terrifying

It is. You got any other things you want to talk about with that film? I guess. I did very much enjoy it, though. Well, I do try to pick films that I think you will enjoy. You know, I could have went back and got you some older films, which are a couple.

I will mention in a minute. I want you to stay awake. I should have liked to do that and the one we watched yesterday. Because the older films, you have to go for atmosphere in the... dramatic effect of it the older the film the more they were you know like the origin the original films were taken from stage plays and so the acting is much more like you would see If you went to a stage play, it's a little more over the top. You know, they hadn't really found that. Like nowadays, it's...

You and I sitting here talking. The acting is more like that. Then on the stage, you're trying to reach the people in the back. So you're over. You're showing your emotion through lots of, you know. I know. All the makeup. I get all of that. So that's what it was. 4. Yeah, I just hadn't taught you to do any of that stuff yet. I do appreciate it. I'll work your way there someday.

I stayed awake through the one last night, too. You did. And the one last night, I actually enjoyed that film. I did, too. Low budget. It's called Voodoo. It stars... Corey Feldman. Corey Feldman, yeah. He plays Andy. Andy is a college student, wants to be a writer.

He is studying abroad and decides he misses his girlfriend. So he surprises her and shows up and enrolls in the school that she's in. That she's going to be a medical student. Doesn't tell her when he dated her for like a summer. Yeah, I know. That was really crappy. Yeah, well.

You know, people are weird. And not to say that shit doesn't happen, because you know it does. I know. But it's sad. Especially when you're young. You're young, you do dumb stuff. So I can say I never did that. That's valid. But, you know, people do. alter the course of your life because of circumstance and where you want to be. Anyhow, sort of girlfriend takes him over to a fraternity or no.

To a frat house. To a frat house that she knows he may be able to pledge and have a place to stay. They were just drunk assholes. Yeah, they were drunk assholes. So, he is befriended by somebody at the Omega house. who just happens to be a voodoo priest. Interestingly, in this film, there is not one Haitian, Jamaican, New Orleans practitioner of voodoo, although...

If you go to any of the Voodoo websites, they will tell you that it spans multiple cultures and nationalities. So it's not just, you know, it may have originated as a Central and West African religion, but it's...

practiced by many people today no but that's kind of there should be a prequel to that like how did he get how did he get this how did he get into it you know because that's right the only thing it really tells you is he wants to be immortal basically well it's like anything he just wants power really what the are all about. Anyhow, this film had a good atmosphere to it. You do get to see a lot of the...

Things you would see in voodoo movies and, you know, there were voodoo dolls that were used and there were consequence to many of the actions of these. Oh, but you were told last night when we watched it, you were talking it may not have been. As popular at the time because of the school shootings and stuff. Right. Which was interesting. That's true. So, in one scene of this movie, the head voodoo priest...

makes the guy at the other fraternity kill everybody in the fraternity as well as himself. This movie came out in 95, and I'm not sure when, but I think it was when we had Columbine around that at time. Yeah, I mean, that's valid. But as well as the movie...

It also had a feel of like it should have been a TV episode of something like Masters of Horror. Yeah, I get that. Or Tales of the Crypt. Yeah, it probably would have been a good Tales of the Crypt. Exactly. Because it definitely had that more of a feel. It was definitely low budget. But it was well done. You got anything else to say about that?

I said I liked this one, too. It was a bit slow, but it had all of its components there. Speaking of Tales from the Crypt, the movie we really wanted to see was called Ritual, and it is a remake of I Walk With a Zombie. It stars Jennifer... Jennifer Gray. Jennifer Gray. After the nose job. And I saw this movie years ago, but the only way you can get it is to buy it off of Apple TV.

I don't have Apple subscriptions. One of the very few that I don't have. And I went about to pay four bucks for a movie that I know is not that great. I wouldn't convince you to stay awake in. And the only reason I bring it up is because of I Walk With a Zombie, which the reason why I bring this whole thing up is I really enjoy the works of Val Lewton. He was a producer back in the 40s. His use of shadow.

Kind of creating the atmosphere in horror films made them so good. Like the original Cat People, my personal favorite is the return of the Cat People, which has to do with this little girl that... Seeds of Ghost. Oh, I'm thinking Sleepwalkers. Oh, yeah. No, no, no. I'm going to 1940, not 1980. There's a big difference. That's okay. That's okay. Many say that the movie White Zombie.

which my favorite thing about White Zombie is Kurt Hammett has a guitar signature line with White Zombie on it. I almost bought that guitar. I ended up buying the blue one instead of that one. It had come down to those two. Anyhow, just the use of shadows really added to that dramatic feel and the spookiness of it. It's a great one if you want to.

Show kids. I definitely think it would be a good starting place. I think the only other thing I would mention, and the reason why I like the voodoo stuff in the beginning, or to begin with, is Mark for Death with Steven Seagal. You say, an action film? Well, yes, it has voodoo in it. Basically, he is a DEA agent that runs across a Jamaican drug crime syndicate that's run by Voodoo Priest. Seagal's first three films are actually really good.

I like how you have to preface that. Well, after that, there's just a... They're very hit or miss after that. But the first three, and the third one being Marked for Death, was a very good film. It actually did well at the box office. The first film, you get to actually see him work with a sword using his training with Kendo. just because you can fight does not mean you can act no but that's true but you know a lot of

Action stars don't have to act. So there you go. But even him is pushing it to say it's action. So he's one of those characters you either love or you hate. And at that time, I really... really like considering i trained all this stuff when i saw him using these techniques i'm like oh I know that. I know this. I can see the appeal of that. So that was why. But it also made me curious. I remembered Serpent and the Rainbow. It made me want to read up on...

You know, what is voodoo? And how does this work? And what are their practitioners? What is it? Their god is called Bondi. Then they have like... lesser gods or something like that it's been a long time since I've read anything on that I mean just the few movies I've seen obviously I was not a voodoo movie person well they're spooky well and I'm curious to know if Dr. Walking Dead is going to be on there

The reason why he's called that is because that's where he got his PhD in. So I'm sure he'll be covering some of these stuff. But that's what I was going to say. They don't cover a lot of... In just the two that we saw, it was the same concept, like taking over someone's body or soul or whatever. Right.

There's got to be other components. Yes. You're just covering this one thing, which is fascinating. Don't get me wrong. Well, it has to do with the religion. So basically, you know, it's like any religion or any... Hell, the government is controlling the population and bending them to your will and what you want them to do. I don't know. I just need a voodoo doll for a couple of people. Well, I get that too. There's nothing wrong with that. Maybe I can find you one for Christmas.

I have, well, I have the dammit doll that one of my patients gave me. Well, we have those cute little voodoo dolls that... Oh, I have lots of them. The component of voodoo is also blessings. It's not just cursing people, too. That's one of my little voodoo dolls. I get them at the airport, by the way. It's just like random voodoo dolls. The little...

I don't know, you find them all over, airports and little touristy places. Right. Just for various things. I had, like, you know, the test taker when I was in nursing school. Right, exactly. Just various things. Right? And I think I have the Frankenstein beauty doll. You have Frankenstein about you? Of course. It was just the fun.

And, of course, our favorite voodoo of all is voodoo donuts. Voodoo donuts. You've got to love that. And if you ever go to one, if you don't know what it is, you ever see one, you have to go and get the voodoo donut. Holy shit. Yeah, you do. If you do, you've just got to go get one. It even comes with a little pretzel through its little heart. Yep. It is the cutest thing.

It is cute. And they're very good. Very tasty. They are super yummy. All right. You got any other things to say with this? No. All right. I guess with that, we'll say good night. Night, guys. Good night. Well, that was entertaining. We do donuts to bomb. Yeah. All right, there we go with the gruesome twosome. And I love that they're great to hear from them. Yeah, and it's great music. Always. Funky intro music.

I love that their cat is named Voodoo. Right. Yes, that's really something. That's really cool. That is awesome. I'm looking at Pearl like, if we get another cat, man. But now they named it Voodoo, so we can't. Well, I wouldn't be able to anyways, because remember I had a white bunny named Voodoo? And it died mysteriously, so I don't know whatever happened to it. Yeah, that's true. You pissed off the gods there, Pearl. Damn it, Pearl.

But no, we love the voicemail, man. We love them. Greg and Amy, I got two suggestions for music. Screamin' Jay Hawkins. Or CCR's version of, I put a spell on you. Oh, that's really good. That is really good. Because you're mine. Or... Santana slash Fleetwood Mac. She's got a black magic woman. Black magic woman. She's got a black

Okay, nobody wants to hear me ramble. But listen for the Fleetwood Mac, the Peter Green Fleetwood Mac. What about the fact that he mentioned Steven Seagal and Mark for Death? Oh, yeah, the whole Steven Seagal bit. Pearl is not the biggest Seagal fan later, but the early Seagal. Early, yeah. He put a lot of effort. He was fast. He was really good. Now he's just... Yeah. Almost the one where he was on the submarine.

Oh, God. He was like fighting, you know, crap under the water, like 3,000 feet under the water. Yeah, I think I'll something, I'll break up. Yeah, something like that. Under siege. Yeah, that's it.

There was one on a train. Isn't he a police officer or something? He is a sheriff or deputy or something. He's been... uh sworn in so yeah he is technically or was at the time i don't know if he still is but i don't know how all that works but yeah uh he was badass when he was younger for sure he's probably still badass now he probably still up my ass so i can't say nothing but

He's got 15 years on me, so he's got to be 65. And voodoo donuts. I have not had a voodoo donut. Have you had a voodoo donut? Vegas. What's a voodoo donut? yeah i don't know what that's a brand that's uh it's a uh that's actual store name right pearl yeah i've never had it but evidently pearl has They're in Vegas but they weren't big at the time yet. Now they are. Oh, okay. So they're bigger.

Well, hello, gang. It's Dr. Walking Dead. Man, I hope I didn't miss the voodoo show. But if I did, maybe this will show up on the next show. I'm so bad about calling in. Anyway. Kind of had to call in on voodoo. I did quite a bit of research into it when I was working on my zombie dissertation. Of course, the voodoo we get in Hollywood isn't the actual...

religious practice of those people. A little sensationalized, a little glorified, a little more shocking, but that's cool because that's what sells tickets. But if you're interested in the anthropological roots of voodoo... Get me an email. But what we're talking about is Hollywood. I have not seen a ton of great voodoo movies, honestly. So I'm just going to give you a top three.

Because, well, that's what I got. So I think my number is third. Well, let me back up. Let me back up. Let me back up. I'm not going to put White Zombie on here. Now, White Zombie is super important because it's one of the first.

Obviously, it's important to me because it started the zombie craze, but it's not really voodoo. It's this weird kind of mesmerism and this kind of... I don't know, offensive, but at least inaccurate presentation of kind of the voodoo culture and the exploitation of kind of enslaved and imprisoned folks.

I don't love that aspect to it. But there are other films that are great. So my number three film is The Plague of the Zombies. The Plague of the Zombies is very interesting because it's about a white guy. who has appropriated voodoo practices and used them to create his own zombies in England to help him in the mines. And I think that does kind of ring true for the...

the kind of folkloric origins of the zombies. Plus, it's a really cool film. I think it's the first time we actually see zombies crawling out of the grave, unless you want to count Plan 9 from Outer Space. My second favorite is going to be Surfing in the Rainbow. Surfing in the Print Rainbow is sort of based on a nonfiction work by Wade Davis, but it is given the...

The real treatment as it's put on screen. Scary moments. Love that one. And then my number one film, my number one voodoo film is I Walked with a Zombie. which is probably the most accurate presentation of video culture on the screen that I'm aware of. I think it's a really cool zombie movie. It's a version of Jane Eyre, but with zombies. Kind of haunting and creepy. So I'm sure you guys are going to talk about that one. Anyway, I'm running out of time. Don't want to get benched.

Thanks for keeping horror alive. Thanks for bringing us cool topics. And this was after we had recorded, so I'm here to respond to this. And I wish you would have been on the show, Kyle. Because you are a expert on voodoo. And yes, we did do white zombies. You've already heard. And now to hear that you're saying it's not voodoo makes me go. But I totally get it. And I need you to email me. I need.

to know more about voodoo my friend we need to have some conversations maybe a whole episode of just you and i just talking right i want to know more but i love your choice man i love i love i walked with a zombie i love that movie uh but anyways man love your pics dude appreciate you calling in and uh listeners that was kyle bishop the doctor walking dead check them out So with that said, that is our calls for the night.

That's the movie reviews that we had. So we're kind of technically done right now, but I'm going to pass it around, see if anybody has anything else to bring up on the show. We'll talk about it. If not, we'll start closing out. So I'm going to head over to Dave first. Dave, you got anything else you want to add to the show tonight? we speak? Not titles or anything like that. I think, you know, we've we've at least name checked or

Most of them. But what's really interesting is Brian Scott coming in right at the end with a movie that was not brought up by anybody before. So I'm very anxious to see if any of the callers have. you know, have some titles that we might have missed and what they might be. And I'm looking actually at you, Dr. Walking Dead. You're always behind one episode with your call anyway. So please call in and let us know. Did we miss anything?

Did we miss any voodoo movies? So I'd be anxious to hear that from any of the listeners. All right. How about you, Bill? I agree with you, Dave. How about you, Bill? The one that I saw on a couple lists that they made, you know, connections to Voodoo of the huge film Candyman. Would you have connected that to Voodoo? I was thinking about that. I wouldn't just off the top of my head, but I guess I can see the connection.

A little bit, I guess. I mean, I guess loosely. I mean, really loosely, but I can kind of somewhat see it. In the loosest of terms with it being, you know, like a story or, you know, something that's happened in... the past that might connect it, you know. Yeah. I came across two. I was just doing some scanning. There was one from 1936. I wonder if Dave or Greg or anybody's seen one called Uanga. O U A N G A. Nope. In, in Haiti, a black female plantation owner enacts a voodoo curse.

and revive zombies for revenge on a white male neighbor who has chosen a white woman over her for marriage. O-U-A-N-G-A. O-U-A-N-G-A. It's on Tubi and some station called Fossum. Okay, I see Freddie Washington. I've seen some stuff on Fossum before. They're kind of like a... Tubi or whatever, but they play a lot of public domain movies and stuff. It's a free thing. And there was another one that was from 2005 called Venom.

It's supposed to be a slasher, a supernatural slasher. A group of teenagers fear for their lives in the swamps of Louisiana, chased by Mr. Jangles, a man possessed by 13 evil souls. and now relentless in his pursuit of new victims. And you can apparently rent it on Amazon. That sounds really interesting. It stars... Agnes Bruckner and Jonathan Jackson. And Bijou Phillips. And Method Man. Method Man is in this. Method Man. Where's Red Man at? I don't know.

He didn't bring the whole crew, just brought himself. Okay, okay. They don't love those guys. I never heard of this one either, but this one intrigued me. The fact that it's a slasher, it's supernatural, and it's relatively modern. You've got to find this one somewhere. I mean, it gets a 4.6 on IMDb, which ain't bad for this kind of film. No, for a horror movie on IMDb, I mean, that might translate to a 6.5 for us. Yeah, exactly, yeah.

I mean, there are movies on here that are 6.2 that I give like an 8 to a 9 on. Right, exactly. You got to add some points when it's an IMDb rating. Exactly. Definitely. Yeah. But no, I don't really have much else. I think between... our research our thinking the listeners recommendations this is a limited field but at the same time as we've discussed earlier there is room for expansion

Just do your research and make it good. And there's all kinds. I could see an entire franchise being based around voodoo. You know, some explorer travels overseas or some entrepreneurial spirit looking for lost gold and finds a voodoo tribe. Like, I can see... almost a horror version of an adventure series if it's done well. It's going to take somebody who's willing to dig into the research and put the time into the writing.

Sure. Yeah, I can see that for sure. Pearl, how about you? You got any? I only have a couple more TV to mention. All right, what you got? Well... One being specifically about Marie Le Vieux, who was the most famous voodoo queen. Okay. She's being portrayed by Angela Bassett in the American Horror Story. And the one that's the series of Coven. Oh, the Coven series. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. And then the Twilight Zone has one called the Voodoo Man and the Little People.

Now, is that in the first run series or is that the one with the Forest Whitaker? No, the first run series. Really? Yes. Wow. Amazing Stories has the mission. Where a soldier is encountered by a powerful voodoo priest. And also the hearse. And Outer Limits has to tell the doll maker. And A New New World. So there are a few more episodes out there, TV series, where people can check in and catch a voodoo episode. All right. Fair enough. Cool. The only thing I've got...

And I didn't think about it until I was looking up on Letterboxd. And I'll give a shout, I don't know who this is, but K-U-L-T-G-E-S-T-A-L-T. Kultgestalt. I looked up lists, and he's got a list, or she, I don't know if it's he or she, but they have a list of 30 movies. Okay, some of them we've already mentioned. But I didn't even think about this, guys, but Hatchet 1, 2, and 3, the series Hatchet. Really?

I didn't think about it, but it is taking place. I saw that on the list, but I was too tired to look up the connection. Well, if you look at the connection, they were in New Orleans. There was the whole Tony Todd was the voodoo king type character. I could kind of see that. I could go with that. Venom? I don't know about Venom. That was the one I was just talking about. Slasher one. I know Interview with the Vampire has a scene where the Voodoo people are trying to get them out of the mansion.

Another one they mentioned was The Believers, Netherworld from 1992. Some of these I've never heard of. Black Demons from 1991. After Death, which is Zombie 4. It looks like Zombie... No, it ain't Zombie 4. What is After Death? Is that Zombie 4? Ain't that Zombie... Is that Zombie 4 or Zombie 5? Yeah, Claudio Fragasso. No, Zombie 5 is killing birds or something like that. It might be. Is that one tied to Claudio Fragasso? Yeah, I'm looking at Zombie 4 right here. Now, that's...

Yeah, this is After Death, Zombie 4. I thought it was. I've got it up here on DVD, so I thought it was. I knew the fifth one is Killing Birds, which has nothing to do with any of the other zombie movies. None of them. 1988 Headhunter, he's got down. Also from 1994, Shrunken Heads. 1974, Night of the Sorcerers. Here's one from 77 called Call of the Blonde Goddess or Voodoo Passion.

angel heart serpent rainbow we know about sugar hill we know about live and let die we know about uh vengeance of the zombies from 73 And then The Plague of the Zombies has been mentioned, as well as The Four Skulls of Jonathan Drake from 1959 has not been mentioned. Not familiar with that. The Four Skulls of Jonathan Drake. That's a really interesting one. I reviewed that. Let me look that up. Yeah, Jonathan.

drake and that's 19 once again that one is from 1959 yeah it's an older one and i'm not familiar with that one at all or at least not that i'm aware of I like the title of it, though. Has anybody here seen one from 1977 called Petey Wheatstraw? No. Comedy, fantasy, horror. It looks like a blaxploitation. Yeah, not heard of. Did you find yours, Dave? Yeah. You did? It was directed by Edward L.

C-A-H-N. Synopsis. Okay. When his brother turns up dead, college professor Jonathan Drake, who has dedicated his life to studying the occult. returns with his daughter Allison to his family's estate. Despite the findings of the Drake's long-time physician, Dr. George...

Bradford, who says Kenneth died as a result of a heart attack. Jonathan is convinced his brother was the latest victim of a curse that's plagued their family for over a century. One that claims the life of every male Drake's soon after they reach. the age of 60 as if this wasn't strange enough someone has gone to the trouble of cutting off kenneth's head all right so yeah this is um i don't know i definitely see it has the occult okay so it's possible

Here's one I found on Tubi. It's called Voodoo Cowboys. 2010. When Hurricane Katrina opens the gates of hell to New Orleans, only a scrappy band of hoodoo slingers... Can take on the zombie apocalypse that follows. Oh, wow. Geez. No, thank you. No, thank you. I'm bookmarking this. I am going to review this somewhere. I'm sure you will. You have it. What are the stars?

How many stars on IMDb did that one get? Oh, I don't know. I'm literally on the Tubi site. What's it called again? It's called Voodoo Cowboys. Voodoo Cowboys. Scream's probably not even got an IMDb page. Oh, no, it's got one. No, it is. It has one. It's got one. Let's see. Oh, yeah, video. Shot the video. 5.9. Holy crap. 5.9. Wait, but how many reviews? 63. Okay. 63. Six. 63. So that means half of those are from the people in the cast and crew. 63 reviews. Oh, God.

I'm cracking up because I'm looking at this thing. Exactly. Like I said, send an email out to all his friends. Can you guys please tell us a 5.9 out of 10 with 63 reviews. When it's starring people as illustrious as Jessica Angelica, Ian Argo, Sean Michael Argo, and Joel DePapa. Hey, it's got Debbie Rashawn in it, though, so we give it some credit.

Oh, well, you know what? And I'm a Debbie Rashawn fan. Big Debbie Rashawn fan, so I will give it some credit. She's way down there on the cast. It must be one of those things where... Hey, Debbie, here's a hundred bucks. Can you show up for about an hour and shoot a scene for us? Oh, and Dave, the episode of Gilligan's Island was called Voodoo.

It aired October 10th, 1966. A witch doctor wreaks havoc on the castaways after he steals a personal item from each of them and then creates voodoo dolls that bear their likeness. Okay, so that was one of their Halloween episodes. That was one of their October episodes. Okay. Yep. Well, there you go, listeners. That is the voodoo that we do oh so well. If we have any more calls, we'll squeeze them in here and there as well, somewhere in the show. But this has been fun.

Before we close this out, let's find out what 406 is going to entail. So let's head over to Dr. Shock, Dave Becker. Dave, what is episode 406 going to be? episode 406 we are getting to our top 10 of the 1970s we've been going through the decade this year we are going to tie it up now with our top 10 and we're going to have a very special guest on For...

Years and years, he's been Memorex. Now he'll be live. It is Darren from Northern California. That's right. He's coming out of Memorex, coming into VHS now. We're getting it. I was going to say, for those listeners that don't get that reference.

Look it up on YouTube. Look up at the commercials for Memorex from the 80s. Is it live or is it Memorex? That's right. We're super excited to have Darren from Northern California coming on. So what are your top 10 horror movies of the decade from the 1980s? That is the next episode. You got 1-804-569-5682 to get your call in. Go ahead and start calling now so you can get in on that episode. We're super excited, man. The 70s were...

were really good. We had a couple of lull years. There were some really good banger years. So this is going to be fun, man. I cannot wait. So that said, let's pass it around and close this out. Let's head to you, Dr. Shock. What you got in closing, my friend? In closing, this is, it was an eye opening.

episode because it it just you showed that you know that this just hasn't been you know when you come up with a topic like like voodoo when it was first thrown out i said okay well let's see what we got i'm sure we're going to come across a whole bunch of movies and

we pretty much discussed most of what you know when we first brought up the topic off screen and we're saying oh yeah there'll be this one there'll be that one and then we didn't come up with a whole lot more than that initial conversation but um some very interesting uh uh you know the callers coming up with some titles and whatnot and a lot of tv a lot of uh segments and anthology so um yeah it's it's it's it's always fun to to go

sort of off the beaten path and look at a topic like this just to see what's out there. And maybe that there's not a lot out there. So, yeah, this was great. My plugs are always the same. DVDinfatuation.com is my blog. I'm on Twitter. I'm on Facebook. And definitely join up the Land of the Creeps group over there.

getting some people making their first posts over there, and that's great. It's always great to see new people posting on the Facebook group. Other podcasts, of course, Jay the Dead's new horror movies. And also our weekly watch list on considering the cinema with Mac and Jay and myself. DVD Infatuation. There is another episode that we'll hopefully be posting soon.

of once again going through my favorite films with a co-host who has not seen them yet and discussing the movies. There's another episode of that coming out. And I think, Greg, your episode. I don't think yours is posted yet. No, it hasn't. where we talked about French Connections. So you will be in that next episode. Hopefully that'll be coming soon. That's also on Considering the Cinema. And yeah, that's about it.

Love it. Check out all these shows. Head over to Jay the Dead's new horror movie podcast as well, as well as considering the cinema. Definitely watch all these, or listen to all these podcasts for sure. I appreciate you, Dave. Let's head to Bill. Bill, what you got in closing? I had a blast this episode. This is fun. It ties in a bit of religion, ties a little bit of spookiness, a little bit of supernatural, a little bit of spells, a little bit of pin cushions. Everything here...

creates atmosphere. If it's a well-done film, all the elements are here. all the ingredients. I'm just looking for, like, I'd love to see somebody's take on this, you know, the difference between an Eli Roth version of this versus a Jordan Peele version of this versus, you know, more. head the guys do the endless films I think could do a really good take on zombie films so I think that this is a genre that can grow

But there needs to be a commitment to it. And somebody has to put the time in. So thanks for all the calls. Thanks for everybody for doing what you do because we do have the best damn audience out there. Everybody? I have one episode that came out a little while ago where I reviewed Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young's Deja Vu on fellow Creep Ryan Schaft's Broken Record Player podcast. Check it out.

otherwise I really do sincerely hope everybody finishes their Christmas shopping gets their wrapping done as a man I'm done woohoo and you know what it's getting colder Stay warm. Turn your heat on. Get close to that partner you have next to you. If you don't, get a good book. Get yourself a fireplace going. Let's be good people.

Let's understand the world has many changes. We're just going to evolve with them and watch some horror movies. And let's keep horror alive. Nice. Pearl, what you got in closing? This was fun. and it's always fun to tap into voodoo and yes someone please out there make a good voodoo movie we need one to all the callers that said great things thank you so much and it's mutual right back at you

And hopefully we can get into more shenanigans in the upcoming new year. And I'm anywhere Gregor Mortis is at. You know that. That's right. follow us all right so uh for us facebook instagram x all them places uh thank you for those that have tuned in and uh joined the group recently so with that said we're going to see you on the flip side Help keep whore alive. We do that one movie at a time, one review at a time. Until next time. Peace. Mwahahahaha. Put a spell on you.

Hey guys and gals, Greg Amortis here with a mini review of a new 2024 film that has, it actually came out in theaters in October, October 16th or 18th I believe it was, but it is a video. ...available via Paramount Plus now. So if you are subscribed to the Paramount Plus app, you can actually watch this with your subscription. But the movie is Parker Finn's directed sequel to... It's Smile 2. Smile Part 2. It's the last thing you'll see. So we'll play the trailer right now. So...

Back with this now. Parker Finn, who gave us Smile 1, is back with the sequel. And I've said this before. I was not a big fan of Smile. I was not a big fan of the first one, and I think a lot of that had to do with the trailer, just gave away so many plot points that by the time I watched the movie, all the impact was gone because I'd already seen it, right? So I did go into Smile 2. with a clean slate. I know the premise, of course, because it's...

part two, but I did not watch any of the trailers, so I didn't know what all was going to take place in this one. So I think that may have helped, because I really did enjoy this one. So here's the plot synopsis. It's six days after Rose Carter's death. Carter's death. And we have Sky Riley. Okay, Sky Riley. She's a pop star trying to make her comeback. She was in a car crash.

previous her and her man and there was like some drugs involved and her image had gotten kind of a black eye so to speak and now she's making a comeback tour she's trying to come herself straight so she can get back into what she loves to do perform and everything and if you've seen smile one you know the premise is it's a a curse that's going around that causes these people that once you see this

person smile uh that it follows you right and it drives you insane because you start seeing stuff and that's what this whole movie is set up uh once again is the first one i just felt this one i liked a little bit more maybe it was the musical side of things it's at a concert and then it's at home i think a lot of it had to do with sky riley played by naomi scott man she was

Really good in this movie, man. Really good. Very believable in what she's doing. She felt like a pop star. Very attractive. And it's just good on the ice. So everything worked in this for that avenue, right?

I think some of the characters in this, you had Lewis played by Lucas Gage, really good, strong character in it. And I thought the overall feel of it... was creepy enough to keep you in a horror uh field like if you're into horror you kind of would love this if you're into thriller stuff you would like this as well but there was some creepy imagery in this one and the smile always does get you

you i mean it's that whole it i don't want to say it's comical but at the same time you look at it and you kind of chuckle a little bit but when you see that smile you know you're screwed you know that that you're fixing to have something happen to you and that's what happens in this one of course, and we followed the life of Riley.

knowing that this smile and she's trying to figure out what's going on and and she starts seeing all these visions and she starts seeing all these people coming at her and it's driving her crazy she's got a over protective mom or should i say over uh

achieving mom that's kind of her agent slash mom that's all about the business and trying to somewhat keep her straight but at the same time you know she's all about making sure that she gets out as much as she can as played by rosemary dewitt so there's that avenue of it and then it's just the

supporting cast is really good in this one as well. So if you liked Smile 1, I think you will really enjoy Smile 2. If you didn't enjoy Smile like I didn't, you're going to really enjoy Smile 2. It's just a different feel.

thought it was just really well done. I think the cinematography is really good in this one. It looks good. It sounds good. I think the musical score in it's really strong. It has some... upbeat music got your pop music everything it's got everything that you'd want in music so i really enjoyed that one as well it's it runs at 127 minutes so not

Super long. It's not one of them two, two and a half hour movies that we're becoming tiresome now. It's a good run time, so it plays really quick. Done, I think, fairly decent at theater, but here it was. Paramount Plus has released this, so it's coming out on Blu-ray, all these avenues that you can get it. I'm going to say it's worth a purchase. I'm going to say this is definitely one to watch, especially at this time of year where people are trying to get their top tens of 2020.

together and uh i say don't skip out on smile too it may hit uh surprisingly on some of your list and you'd have to stay tuned to mine which will be in january february ish before it releases on lot but you'll have to wait and see if it makes my top 10 but with that said it's definitely worthy of a viewing so if you do have paramount plus you can watch this and uh i would recommend that definitely check it out

Once again, Naomi Scott crushing it as Sky Riley. Man, I thought she'd done a tremendous job. And Lucas Gage as Louis. I really enjoyed his character. I thought it was really cool too. So I got to give props up once again to Parker Finn. who wrote and directed this one. He really did a really good job with this one. If you go on IMDb, they have it listed as psychological horror. It is. Supernatural horror. It is. Tragedy.

It is. Horror, it is. Mystery, absolutely. Thriller, absolutely. So it hits all the avenues that IMDB's giving it. Definitely go with that. And they gave it a 6.9 rating out of 56,000 ratings. system over there, but it's really strong. I really enjoy it. So definitely check it out. It's Smile 2. It's available once again on Paramount+. You can also, I'm sure, rent it if you want to. If you don't have Paramount+, I'm sure you can find it too.

pay for that if not go ahead and pick up the blu-ray and everything when it releases so that said i'm giving this thing two thumbs up i'm gonna give it a rating of let's go with an eight And we'll give it an 8 rating out of 10 stars. So there you go. Smile 2 available now from Parker Finn. Released by Paramount. So with that said, we're going to catch you on the flip side. Until next time.

Peace. Hey, guys and gals. And this is actually a really cool thing that we're fixing to do. This is going to drop on our episode with... Of course, Dr. Shock and Bill the Butcher and Pearl. And what were we talking about? We were talking about... Voodoo. I really wish it was, but we're going to talk about that now. I totally missed it. No, this is going to be another episode with the voodoo, and it turned out really well. We've already recorded it, and we were talking all about voodoo.

We could actually tie this in with voodoo, maybe. Maybe there was a little bit of voodoo going on in the making of this. But, no, we got a special guest. And, man, I have known this man since 2009. We're welcoming him in. And you've heard him on LOTC back in the morning. today as well and it's just been way too daggone long uh but he's back but it's uh director writer michael neal and the movie

that we're talking about specifically, but we'll move on from other things too, is Infinite Santa 8000. But Michael Neal, what's up, my friend? So good to talk to you, Mr. Mortis. It's been way too long for those of you that might not know. uh you were one of our very first fans back at horror hound when greg anson and i we made infinite santa together but at that point we've made drive and horror show and we brought it to horror hound for our first ever screening at a con

Greg, you walked right up to us and, you know, you were excited to see Drive and Harsha. You came right back afterwards and wanted to talk about it. It was awesome. It was. And how could you not want to go up and talk to you guys? Your booth was really cool. You had it set up. I was a newbie at conventions.

Pretty sure that was my very first convention, actually. And I just remember walking by and seeing you guys standing. I was like, man, I got to go talk to these guys. And, man, I'm so glad I did because the friendship's always been there, man. And I've appreciated you guys so much. I wish Greg could have been on. but I know he's busy. He's such a Californian now. He's so cool. He's so hip.

I think it fits him almost more than being from Massachusetts. I mean, he'll always have that. You know, you can't get it out of you. But, you know, the warm weather suits him, I think. It does. I like the cold. Right. I'm a glutton for punishment. You are. I don't understand it. I don't understand why people love gold, but you know.

Greg loves the sun and loves playing guitar, and he's amazing at it, and he's doing great stuff, and we love Greg, too. But we got you on tonight, Michael, and what we are going to be talking about. mainly, and we won't keep it just solely here, but we do want to talk about Infinite Santa 8000. We've got some really exciting news to talk about because literally this movie has been since 2013. Is that correct?

Yep, that was the first version that came out 11 years ago. That is crazy. I still remember seeing the screener. of this movie in 2013. And I was like, wow. And you've improved some of it, right? You did some edits, maybe some colorization. There was something you did different to it. It's still the same movie.

But I'm going to tell you what you did. It's Blu-ray, brother. It come out so crystal clear, man. This movie is insanely colorful and I love it. I love it. I'm holding the Synapse Blu-ray in my hand right now, literally. I'm doing the twirl with it.

I'm seeing the front. I'm seeing the back. So get that visual, listeners. And the artwork's always amazing, man. You got the cool infinite Santa Claus on it. And I'm talking to you, Brian Scott, horror movie fan. Boy, you love your Christmas horror right here.

it is in animation but michael talk a little bit about infinite santa brother and what's exciting right now oh sure so for those of you that might not know um infinite santa is It started as a web series about a cyborg Santa Claus who must kill mutants, robots, and robo-people in the year 8000 in a vast post-apocalyptic wasteland to save the Christmas spirit.

It's quite a mouthful, but that's kind of our little pitch. But yeah, it started as an episodic web series in 2010. Greg Anson and I were waiting. to see what happened with Drive and Horror Show or Waiting for Distribution. And we figured we'd jump into animation, not really knowing how to do it. I'd done some stop motion in college and a little at an animation studio, but...

really didn't know much so we taught ourselves after effects and you know we saw a talk um featuring one of the guys from aqua teen who told mentioned how we did it like oh we could do that so this whole project from the beginning was just a whole lot of serendipity and kind of good luck like we You know, we got some great artists involved. They were the effects artists from Drive and Horror Show, and one of whom was tattooed me at lunch.

And they did great art for it. We got heavy metal. One of the heavy metal bands from Drive and Horror Show called Hot Black, the guitarist and drummer, came over and played on it. We got a former legendary DJ from Massachusetts to do Voice of Santa.

and a friend of ours to do martha and dr shackleton the other two main characters no casting at all we just chose them and that was it and i did everything else wow and Yeah, it just kind of evolved like you can actually watch the web series and you can see episode to episode us learning what to do and just figuring it out and

you know so by the end of 2010 we had the web series it had all come out it was 13 episodes about 32 minutes 33 and then greg and i are like all right well what next like and this was early youtube so it wasn't really monetized like we tried we got some ads it didn't really work um and it's not like today where you can put out consistent content and generate you know sponsorships and stuff like that so we thought well let's make a movie

And, you know, the big rule of adapting from small format to big format is make it bigger. And Infinite Santa is a sci-fi action adventure. So we decided to have... giant battle scenes we decided to have santa fly in a sled and a jet pack having never done it before um we had him do a really elaborate hand-to-hand combat scene which we also we did a little in the web series but

you know it was unbelievably difficult and i was like well we have to do this to show off like the first scene in the movie is the one i'm talking about took like six months to do or something i think um and yeah so Greg and I ended up doing over 2,000 shots in three years. By the time 2013 rolled around, our deadline was coming up because our distributor wanted to put it out in Christmas and in order to get them everything they needed.

that we needed to give it all by may because you know they need to convert everything they gotta reach out to their distributors and get all the artwork and all that um so as we were approaching our deadline a couple months away we're like we just gotta start cutting stuff because we're not going to get it done so there's a big dialogue scene at the beginning that wasn't or maybe like 30 minutes in that wasn't crucial to the plot like you could get it without it

um there was another hand-to-hand combat scene that was the first to get cut because it's like dude this just takes so long um and then another scene with some monsters um and i think that was about it so after the film came down and out and the dust settled i started animating all that stuff because you know we had all the dialogue recorded it was like a four minute dialogue scene um so it's really just animating the mouths and then doing you know the kind of

creature and some of the sci-fi gear and stuff um and then so over the years after 2013 we kept kind of tinkering with it and we eventually put all the stuff back in that we cut out then we look at it we're like man this movie drags like this thing is like a slug so we had to go back and start cutting things out and it was a mixture of

you know, seeing the film with the full script and realizing that there were things that needed to be trimmed just because they were obvious. Some was getting a little bit of perspective on a film and hearing from reviews of people even that really liked it that said it dragged a bit, which we agreed with, you know.

um and then there were also a lot of shots that like we just had to rush like some stuff that i would just cringe at i'm sure i'm the only one you know the audience wouldn't care but like you know santa bouncing like his whole body instead of laughing with like his you know chest heaving and stuff like that yeah um and there were mistakes everywhere there's one shot where santa didn't have a mouth on him

We just forgot to turn it on. It was there. We just turned it off. Whoops. I know, right? And this made it through to the final version. Craig and I never noticed.

there's another one where santa's sleigh has a little afterburner on it and it wasn't attached to the sleigh like it was just kind of floating in the air um astronaut style yeah right yeah exactly exactly and it looked ridiculous um and then there were tons of shots that had mistakes on them they were pixels floating around it that we had to erase and you know just i think we reanimated like

50 60 shots something like that it's been a while and i can't really remember but at any rate we kept tinkering with it and we kept cutting it and we got it to a point where we're pretty happy with it There were still a few things I would like to cut for pacing. This is me just being a director and just kind of endlessly messing with it. But you can only cut so much because the film is mixed.

If it's in the middle of a battle scene, you can't just cut three or four seconds out of the middle because the music's going to jump. But you can cut the beginning or end off of that scene. Or maybe you can be super clever and move a few shots around.

if you have a scene where you're intercutting between santa doing something and dr shackleton the villain doing something you're going back and forth well you can cut some of those or mix them up so that's what we did and it played at a few festivals it played at gen con it played at boston sci-fi film fest that was the first time it ever played publicly but the new version and that was amazing um but then it was just kind of

sitting around and two years ago at Christmas I was I wanted to show it to Jasper my son who was 10 at the time and I had the screening blu-ray that we you know pressed to bring to a screening just sitting in my office so I popped it in And I was like, man, this movie really kicks ass. It'd be great if people could see this. So I talked to Greg.

and we said all right let's just put it out ourselves you know just to get it out there because distribution's so hard we didn't know if anyone would take a chance on a movie that's like 10 years old and now has a new version and the old one you know it not for lack of trying it just

didn't get the same kind of market um you know kind of uh it didn't attract as much of an audience as we'd hoped and it does attract an audience right people that love it absolutely love it so it was never a problem with fans you know it was just not enough people seeing it so we talked to our good friend jessica dwyer who um works at horror hound and she was going to horror hound in march and said oh just stop by the synapse guys maybe they take it

And Graham was like, oh yeah, thanks, that's cool. And I'm thinking, there's no way they're going to take it. Synapse is amazing. Why would they do this? They are. And then they took it. I remember them saying to me, we will put out a beautiful Blu-ray.

for you and it just made me so happy i mean i i know them i know the care they put into it i have a bunch of their dvds and blu-rays like you know when they did this it really opened up a lot of doors for us and we had what's basically a soft release of the blu-ray last year where it was available for sale but then this past uh this christmas starting on november 12th

um it was released you know to like amazon and target.com and walmart.com and deep discount and you know got proper press and all that kind of stuff so this is the real big release and It's pretty amazing. I keep scouring social media and seeing it pop up in random people's Instagrams.

um film review sites and inevitably someone will comment under it like i just read the google review and this sounds insane i have to see it you know that's it that's always been our appeal right it's a wacky weird concept that gets people to start watching and then we got them and that you know that's kind of where it goes so that's the kind of cliff notes version of where we are and you know this is the actual version of the movie cut to the script and it really changes everything

um it's by far the best it's ever been and we got a second chance no one ever gets that you know you even i drive in horror show there's shots that i cringe looking at like they're like oh i wish i could have done that better um and i'm proud of it don't get me wrong it's a movie but

You know, but that movie is done. You know, and that's how it is. That's how it should be. That's how movies are. So to get a chance to go back and really mess with something, you know, is rare. I never thought this would happen. I just figured Infant Santa was done. It was out there. We were proud of it, warts and all, and just happy to get it done, you know, with just two of us animating and a tiny crew. The work that you put into it's insane. I mean, notably.

Rightfully so, but I'm telling you, the work that you put into it has definitely came out in spades because it looks... amazing and to piggyback off what you said with jessica dwyer she's such a sweetheart and for her to go out and do that and then

I could only imagine because like if I had something and I'm like, yeah, it's going to synapse. I would be the same way, Michael. Yeah, sure. Okay. You know, I won't hear back from them. And then you hear back from me like, holy crap. Cause that's like.

that would be like getting your your article put in fango that would be like you know all these different things that that we grew up with synapses you know such a huge uh distributing company that we love as horror fans because they put out so many titles that we love so to have your title in that catalog dude has got to be just

you know mind-blowing and and exciting and i'm excited for you i remember you know when you reached out to me and i immediately went out and bought the blu-ray man and it came in i was like holy crap Like, this thing looks gorgeous. Slipcover case. I mean, it's just, you just don't get slipcover cases often anymore. Or if you do, you know, you pay the special edition price, man. So I was like, I was super excited. Synapse always goes out and does.

bang up job so I was super impressed and it looks gorgeous I just watched it literally before we started recording and it looks amazing man the art the the musical score is insane if you like metal music you've got it If you remember the 80s cartoon heavy metal, this has that feel, but in a modern take. It just has that feel. If you like the show that used to be on BattleBots, I mean, you got your BattleBot.

You know, the epic battle at the beginning between Santa Claus, yes, and this freaking bot that has all these different gadgets coming. It's insane, dude. Like, I never knew that you would have a freaking Easter bunny, like... bot coming at you i mean this thing's got you through the kitchen sink at santa claus and he still comes out victorious maybe

We won't spoil it. Maybe he does. Maybe he don't. I'm putting my finger on my lip. Maybe. But, dude, I'm telling you right now, man, this movie is fun. It's fun from start to end.

uh i know as a filmmaker you do look at stuff because it's your baby and and there are probably are still those moments you like you say you scratch your head like oh but then you like it's out there i get it because as a podcaster i do the same thing with every episode i do i'm like oh i wish i'd have done this it's just because you you got so much passion for it and it's your baby and you know that that's just what it is

But for a viewer, I'm telling you right now, this movie's insane. And if you love Christmas and you love horror, like this has got it all. It's got blood. It's got everything. I'm not lying when I say the kitchen sink's coming at you. I think there may be a scene of a kitchen sink. kitchen sink in here. I don't know. I'm sure there is, literally. I'm sure we could find some way for Santa to kill someone. I don't know if we had any crushed heads. We did a crushed robot head. That's not true.

We had a bunch of crushed heads. You had a lot of crushed heads in this one. Severed body parts. This thing has it all, man. The only thing it doesn't have is maybe... No, it's got it. You can definitely like this is this. I'm not going to say it's kid friendly because it does have some disturbing imagery. It's got some blood and stuff like that. So I don't know how young, you know, you are willing to let.

your children watch okay because there is uh animated blood so i get it i mean for me you know there's no nudity there's no nothing like that that's going to be oh You know, you got to explain to your child about Santa or whatever. You don't have that. It's just an entertaining movie. And I keep saying Brian Scott. I'm going to throw his name out again because Brian is such a nut for Christmas horror.

Like, that's his favorite subgenre. And he's always looking for new Christmas stuff. This one's him. This is definitely Brian Scott, I'm telling you right now. And some of you others, man. I can't wait to introduce it to him, man, for sure. Oh, awesome. Sounds like my kind of guy. I mean, I'm a Christmas horror nut myself. I love it. And I do think one thing that's different. I was just thinking what you said about, you know, watching for kids.

It is really violent, obviously. Do you know Carnage Counts, the YouTube channel? Yes. They did a count for our movie. Do you know how many it was? How many? 854. Oh, my gosh. that had to be the bot scene where you had the uh where they sent out like almost like the wizard of oz monkeys come out

Yeah, that was a lot of them. He went through and counted everyone. Greg and I have no idea. Yeah, there were a lot in there. The finale. I mean, the finale took us like six months on its own, I think. Like the last... i mean it's an action movie so everyone knows it's a big finale um the third act i think has like a quarter of the shots in the entire movie like it's just yeah it was a lot but it is funny because like

we actually ran into the issue of making it because you know i'm a gore hound and it's really hard to make stuff like gross with animation i mean you can make it violent but like making it actually uncomfortable and this This film doesn't have like a, you know, like an R. Crumb quality or like, you know, like something really uncomfortable and unpleasant. Like it's Santa's still charming and funny.

you know it's definitely really gross but it's not we intentionally didn't go disturbing it's not like maniac or like christmas evil you know that's like a dirty dirty movie and it's one of my favorites sure but like You know, we didn't, we made Santa like, you know, Coca-Cola Santa, like he's sweet and charming. And, you know, he has this really sweet relationship with this kind of adopted daughter cyborg.

that was all greg my initial idea was to make it as twisted as possible and you know have like santa be the most demented thing ever and i think that was the smartest thing not to do it because it gives it like a moral center it makes you root for them it has downtime because the rest of the movie is like a rocket like once you start with the exception of a few scenes it just doesn't stop so you need a chance to breathe you know

Yeah, absolutely. And I think Dwayne, you said, I believe he was the voice for Santa. Yeah, his voice is Coca-Cola Santa. Like, I can still hear him. now an hour later and i can hear it almost like the chuckle Like, it's just like if you were to hear Santa out at the Macy's parade, like, speak. This is this guy. So I agree with you that the voice is very wholesome, very...

quote-unquote Santa Claus-esque, and it works because you do want to have that person to root for, and you are rooting for Santa. And Santa's got a dark side now. He goes to the, he has to... flip switch and go to the dark side and i love it man he definitely goes there man i love the cyborg look of him too i love the almost terminator-esque look of him i mean he looks freaking kick kick ass dude he just really does

I'm just like, my Santa Claus looks like that. He's battle-worn, and he's coming out of the chimney looking like freaking Arnold Schwarzenegger from Terminator. He's like, I'm here to give you your presents. I battled all that. I battled the demons of hell to get you your damn slinky kid, so shut up. That's right. I'll put a severed head in your stock. Yeah.

Come out here and look at me one more time, and you're going to get an icicle to the neck. But this Santa's kick-ass, dude. I love it. But you got exciting news because now not only does Synapse own this thing. Or at least distribute it. I shouldn't say own it, you own it. But I mean, they're distributing it for you. But there's something else that listeners can get a hold of too now, right? Another platform. Yes, there is. So as of December 9th...

This film will be on Tubi, which, as far as I'm concerned, is the perfect place to find our audience. I mean, obviously, for the nerds and the collectors, Blu-ray is the way to go. But I get that not everyone has a player. I know that as a horror fan and a fan of cult cinema and weird stuff, I mean, Tubi is where it's at. You know, like they don't...

They don't have the same kind of issues that something like Amazon will do or they'll pick it up and drop it. Or, you know, did you see what they did when Amazon dropped Freebie?

which i don't know if your blitzers are familiar it was like amazon's to be basically uh yeah i did have free v but uh what happened with that i don't even know so um to be put out a tweet basically trolling them being like oh yeah yeah we're still here but we're not going to get rid of our you know we're not going to close down or something like that and it's like you know

It's really a perfect place for a film. And depending on when someone's listening to this, too, I mean, I imagine it'll probably be streaming somewhere else at some point. You know, if someone's picked up this podcast next Christmas and is checking it out, you know. Do a search on your streaming, whether you're watching on your computer or tablet or Roku or whatnot. Just see where it is because films do tend to pop around sometimes.

But yeah, as far as Tubi's concerned, it's a perfect place for us. And, you know, the real thing with this film that I've realized over the years, Greg and I both have, you know... We don't have an advertising budget. I mean, that's not new. Indie films don't in general. And it really does. So, you know, it works on word of mouth and it's just about reaching critical mass, you know.

I just uploaded the first episode, episode one, to TikTok today. And I already got a message from someone saying, hey, can I buy any merch for this? And it's like, which, aside from the Blu-ray, I don't have any on sale. regardless it's like you know i posted that so that someone like that who's a fan who's looking for this kind of thing can find it and

That's really how it works. I mean, all independent film is like that. But, you know, Drive and Horror Show is much more mainstream. If you look on IMDb, it has more ratings. You know, it'll pop up. on social media or YouTube or, you know, someone will post something about it and a bunch of people chime in and saying, oh, I saw that when I was a kid or, you know, I had the DVD or that kind of stuff. Infinite stand is much more niche, which.

it's funny too because like if you look at the ratings in a lot of places it's like five stars out of five zero stars out of five and it's like but that's cool right because they have passionate fans like yeah you know i think that's great Yeah, and it's not for everybody. I'm not going to say that Infinite Santa is going to be your be-all movie, but I'm telling you, if you love Christmas horror, this is right there, man. It's right there.

Even though it is animated. And I say that like it's a bad thing. And it's not. I'm not trying to say that. But like a lot of people like movie movie. But give animation a shot man. It's like really. And hunger strike force. that you were talking about, Hunger Force Strike. That was good, man. I used to watch Hunger.

And it does have that feel. And I think people like that. Like, I'm telling you, man, this is a very colorful, very bloody movie. So if you're into all that stuff, you're going to absolutely love it. You're going to have fun. You're going to laugh. You're going to chuckle. You're going to look at the freaking Easter Bunny.

that's evil and and be like what am i watching why is he in this thing but hang on because there's a reason behind it and uh it's just really fun you even have the i'm gonna call it the quote unquote dr satan it's not really dr satan but you do have the evil side It's this doctor that looks like Satan. I love it, man. And talks up the side of his mouth. I'm going to get you, you little kitty. It's good stuff.

but i love that you're on tubi man because tubi will definitely uh open up avenues for sure man because there's man i know just in our lotc community man a lot of people Bill, uh, Bill, we call it too. Uh, what is it? Uh, what do we used to call him? So Tubiville or VanVagel, VanVagel TV is what we used to call it. It's what it was because everything he watches is on Tubi. Like that's his go-to. So it's out there. It doesn't cost anything to, you know, get on Tubi. So I feel like.

it's going to really blow up for you michael for sure and then hopefully if you're watching it on tubi you'll go buy the dang thing now see your physical media guy you watch it now you're like shoot i'd like to have that in my shelf because it looks beautiful i'm telling you you will want this freaking blu-ray Which comes with bonus features, brother. Yes. Yes, it does. And it also comes with the original web series, which is in 1080p and a new transfer.

little side note we made this so it could be blown up onto film and the day the film came out all theaters went digital wow so like i know but we still could i mean the original yeah is on For nerds, it's Apple ProRes 4444. If there's any filmmakers, you probably use Apple ProRes 422 or 422HQ. This is the same codec, but it's just bigger, basically, and a little...

I mean, it has more information, but, you know, nerds aside, like it's done in a way that could be projected. And, you know, the quality. is really amazing. But when we first put the web series online, it was early YouTube, and the compression really wasn't there. It couldn't handle the same kind of quality. The compressors we were using on our computers weren't quite as good.

My compressor is for people listening. It's the process from which you take the original film and then you put it through a program that makes it so you can upload it onto YouTube or... you know instagram tick tock i mean people use this all the time might not even know it probably don't know it um but for the synapse blu-ray they went back to the original web series and re-transferred it and like I got nervous when I watched it because I was like, if we have mistakes in there...

Maybe people haven't seen them in the 14 years they've been on YouTube because you couldn't see them. If they're there, we're going to see them now because you can see every pencil stroke. It's just wild. That's awesome. Get your hands on if it is Santa 8000. Head over to Tubi as you're listening to this. It's been out for officially a day or however, whatever day you're listening to this has been out for at least a day. So you can go to Tubi.

be right now. Type in Infinite Santa 8000. That's I-N-F-I-N-I-T-E Santa 8000. You can watch it. I'm sure it's the Synapse release. I'm sure it's the Blu-ray release that you're watching on the transfer. going to look great but go that extra step forward after you watch it Go ahead and go buy the Synapse Blu-ray. I would love for the LOTC community to sell Synapse out on it where they have to make more copies and be like, oh, crap, we're out of copies. We've got to go do something.

Do it! Do it! They will. And actually, this is a good note for any collectors out there. The one that you got... Greg Amortis and the one people have bought so far has a limited edition slipcover, only a thousand printed. These are the ones that are being sold now. They've been sold for the last year. They've been sold at cons.

so once they're gone they're gone i have a box here to save because eventually they ain't going to be around anymore and i know synapse will keep printing them you know of course but it won't be it won't be with the slip cover so if you are a collector i'm a collector you're a collector i love stuff like that i want the steel books i want the limited stuff yes you know yes so yes go ahead and get it you mentioned features too there's commentary on the film

commentary on the web series, all these extra featurettes, all this stuff that we made and just, you know, had ready to go. It's wild, man. It really is. It's been a lot of reflecting on this project since we first sat down and started animating.

you know so long ago to get to here yeah it's just it's wild man it's really cool it has to be man i mean it's like your baby and i know your son jasper who uh he's such a young intelligent young man i ain't calling him kid no more because he's not a kid he's a young man and and young jasper man i'm telling you some of the stuff that he's done online in the past dude he's got your your spirit for sure brother and i'm looking for him to be doing some of this and

the near future i know he's he's delved into it a little bit but i think 16 17 18 20 years old you're gonna be in trouble he's gonna be out there uh making all kinds of movies or acting him or so he's gonna do something i can feel it i just feel it he's he's a nil

He's going to do it. Thanks, man. He's been doing theater. He's actually, depending on when this comes out, you know film fans keep an eye on our social media Jasper is involved with some social media that we have and I don't want to say anything specific but it definitely uses his talents and it's something new but it builds on what we already have and it was cool and i got to work with him which is always fun i filmed him for a bunch of stuff um

you know one he's good and two he's free because i'm independent everything costs money that's right which he hasn't he hasn't always been happy with i made a film with him over over uh lockdown and he was like stop taking me away from my half days I want to stay at home and play on my Switch. He's like, no, dude, we've got to go out. The sun is setting. He's like, I don't care. I want to play on my Switch. Such prima donnas, right? Like actors and stuff.

can I just stay one more minute and do it? No, get out there and get the shot. That's it. I'd be the same way. I'd be like, Papa, leave me alone. But when he was in Solifayus, for the... One of the shoots, we bribed him with a Kit Kat. The other, we bribed him with, what was it? A Twix and Pokemon cards. Dude. Dude, that's so good, man. A Kit Kat? Heck yeah, that's like gold.

Hey, good job, Jasper. Get that KitKat out of him. Well, the KitKat he was cool with, he opened the Pokemon card and was like, eh, I didn't get anything good. I'm like, dude. you just got free pokemon cards like i get it i used to collect baseball cards yeah i'm not gonna say anything but you know maybe you can trade them maybe you know but hey it's all good he did a great job yeah that's awesome so

Talking projects, too. Any upcoming, anything new that you want to throw out besides Infinite Santa, even though we're talking Infinite Santa tonight. And it's a perfect time because it's coming up to Christmas. Yes, it is. So you can watch it. But anything else you got going on in the burners?

Yeah, so a couple things. So, Infinite Santa related, we do have a streaming series that we've written. And actually, stay tuned for a bonus scene at the end of... infinite santa film in marvel style we actually have a teaser for um the series and if you don't want to it's also on the on the blu-ray as an extra feature um so there's no immediate plans to make it but we could

It will be a couple of seasons going back to the year 3044 and the origins of infinite Santa. Um, so that's cool. And then in my, um, Another film endeavor with Joel Lemieux, he's one of the artists and associate producers on Defendant Santa, but he was also a big part of Drive and Horror Show. He was Zombie Frank. He was one of the guys with shaved head. He shaved his eyebrows for our film. thankful for. He and I made an adaptation of H.P. Lovecraft's Selephaeus, which is a dreamland story.

No one had ever adapted his Dreamland stories before, which I thought was shocking. And for those of you who don't know, Lovecraft's Dreamlands are like an Alice in Wonderland world that exists within his mythos. It's where a lot of the monsters are. Or it's a lot like Aberat, the Clyde Barker stories. It's like that a lot. But yeah, we filmed it on location in Massachusetts.

all practical effects some puppetry miniatures and the big thing was that now has extra weight to it we got tony todd to be in it um he lended his voice i got to direct him and joe got to be there too which was probably the the highlight of my career i mean if not the one one at the top and he was so kind and generous and talented and you know we were this independent film that booked him for a few hours and we flew out to la we got a great studio and stuff and you know he

he's such a i mean he was doing venom then or he'd just been announced and it's like you never know with actors he could have shown up and done what he you know done what he wanted to do and left and stuff which is totally cool but yeah he came he was super nice he wanted to work with us he wanted to be directed like he really wanted to collaborate with me because i was doing the directing and you know we talked afterwards and he was like i have a good feeling about you guys and

you know, we'd message and stuff. And so, you know, I'm sure all you horror fans out there know, you know, the great Tony Todd and what a loss it was. I do feel like, you know, when Celesteus finally comes out, Hopefully in 2025, it really depends. There's some other potential stuff going on that'll figure out whether Soliphius happens first or second. But when it finally does, I think it might be...

It's going to be one of Tony's last roles, if not his last role, which is kind of wild and kind of moving and humbling. And, you know, I mean, Greg, you saw him at cons. nice and supportive and I think that if he knew what his legacy was able to do for our film you know, um, in depth, I think he'd be happy with that because it is going to help us. And, you know, we have Lovecraft's name already. That's why we did it, you know? And that's going to be a push for us regardless.

And having Tony in it is a push for us regardless. But this will help too. It's a wonderful role. We're so happy with the movie. It's got incredible reviews. We're very thankful for it. It will be out eventually. I'm the biggest Lovecraft nerd ever. To be able to do this. Dude, we filmed on location where he wrote this stuff. I don't know if people get that.

you know all of new england right now you know i'm in assachusetts you look outside the window looks like a stephen king story it looks like a lovecraft story like we just walked out the door and started filming like wow yeah that's that's anyway that's my little little uh you know kind of um yeah just musings on it i guess and i love it i love it uh miss tony man he was such a sweetheart and and uh yeah his legacy will continue on forever for sure man he's

Way too talented not to have his work out there just spoke about daily, if not weekly and monthly and yearly. And to have him a part of one of your projects is so freaking, I know it's humbling, man. But well-deserved to, I'll be honest. You listeners need to really keep your eye out for Michael Neal. And Joe Lemieux, I love Joe. He's such a good dude, man. And, of course, Greg Anson out there in Cali. You're such a beach bum. I love Greg, dude. He's such a man.

Yeah. He's so cool. He's a good dude. He is. He's totally cool. I can't believe he left Massachusetts to go to California. Of course he did. I would have too. I know, right? Get me out of here. Get me to Cali. But we get cool atmosphere. We get snow. We get, like, lots about it. But it's still pretty awesome. Sure, sure, sure. So Infinite Santa 8000. You can pick up the Blu-ray from Synapse. I would recommend that.

Like Michael said, ain't guaranteed you're going to get a slipcover case, but you possibly could. You better order and get it while you can. Or if not, just get the Blu-ray. Blu-ray looks amazing. I'm telling you, listeners, I watched it. Pearl watched it. It looks beautiful. It's very colorful, very vibrant. It's got metal music. If you like heavy metal, it's in there. You get it. You get blood, gore, guts. It's going to be on...

Tubi as of December 9th. So if you don't have any money, you're like, dude, I really want to watch it. You can go to Tubi. Everybody's got Tubi. I can about guarantee you everybody has Tubi downloaded on their smart app. television or whatever you've got it somewhere dude so you can

Type it in, Infinite Santa 8000. Sit down and watch it. It's an hour and 40. I think it's like an hour and 40, hour and 42 minute long. Yeah, that's right. Full-length feature, listeners. This ain't no 20-minute cartoon. This is freaking hour and 42 anime.

animation insane in the membrane i'm telling you cypress hill wrote that song for this movie uh insane they just didn't know it i love you michael dude you are such a a inspiration to me man i've known you like i said since 2009 horror hound uh and jessica dwyer was there like the whole crew was there uh and and how we've

been kindership ever since man we haven't talked in a while and that's my fault but dude it's always great to talk with you brother oh man no it's on me it's a two-way street man it's all good i'm just happy to connect again You know, you've always been such a great fan. And speaking of fans too, like for people that watch our film, tell your friends, reach out on social media.

you know leave us a review on you know anywhere give us some stars on imdb you know just spread the word like i said before the biggest thing this film has is word of mouth and you know that's That that's it. And, you know, yeah, it's just awesome to talk to you. You know, Greg, it's been been a long time, but but it's all good. Oh, a little coda on this whole thing. Yeah. Guess who got us? Tony Todd on the film. Who?

Jessica Dwyer. Of course. Of course she did. I met her when I met you. She was assigned to our table because she was working for Horror Hound. Oh, wow. I thought you'd already know her. So that was the first time too, huh? It was the first time for all those people. Same with Troy and Charlie Gonzalez and Brad and all those guys.

it's wild man wow and and now look back however many years god it's been a long time ago it was man 29 man lord have mercy we're getting older but we're getting smarter not really i'm not you are My body hurts. That's something I got going on. Same. So any kind of plugs in, and if you'll be so gracious to send me your links that you won't share, and I'll put them on the show notes at landthecreeks.blogspot.com.

But definitely plug it right now, brother. We're sites that they can find it. We already know Synapse, and we already know Tubi. But what else do you got for you, brother? Sure, a bunch of stuff. You can find everything at InfiniteSanta.com. you can also find our youtube channel for all the web series um you can find me at you find infinite santa on instagram it's also on tick tock

We're on Facebook. You can find me personally on Instagram, Michael Neal. It's actually Michael K N E E L. because like someone else took michael neal normally and i just put the k in there because it's kind of a joke like kneeling you know but more confusing but that's okay um and uh and yeah that's you know we're on x formerly known as twitter you can reach out to us there too it's infinite santa um and yeah like i said please reach out and um just

Let us know how we're doing. Leave a comment. Check out the web series, too. It's been on 14 years, over a million total views, way more at this point, which for a really old web series is pretty darn good. So, yeah, man. That's where you can find me.

I love it. Go check it out. And we'll have, like I said, all these links on the show notes. If not, rewind and listen to what he just said. It's easy. InfiniteSanta.com. You can't get no easier than that. And you're writing your Christmas list and probably writing your...

letter to santa to put in the mailbox right now or while you're doing that just go visit infinite santa.com and maybe send him a little uh letter and see if you if you don't get what you want maybe you'll get your slinky that you've been asking for for Forever. You might get a slinky with some razor blaze. Yeah. Infinite Santa style. And look. i'm gonna save that for another kill man yes i like that a lot i'll give you a little shout out in the credits okay like that's

You don't know how hard it is to think of different ways to kill people. Oh, I love that. Thanks, man. Yes, you got it. I'm giving you permission right now. Infinite Santa, slinky razor blade. I love it. All good. So we're going to check out right now. So thank you for listening to the show. And I hope you enjoyed the voodoo talk because we did the voodoo that you do do oh so well. You get it? Voodoo. Two time. So we'll see you on the flip side. Peace.

But before we start, I'm not going to do it here. I was going to say, do you have some royalty-free voodoo music? Hell no. I'm going to put it all out there. What are they going to do? i'm gonna start out with a very small little intro clip before we start and i'm not doing it here i'll add it but i'm gonna do i was telling dave bill i'm gonna do the uh supernatural voodoo woman it was at the beginning of sugar hill

Supernatural. Do you know who played, if it's the one I'm thinking, do you know who played her? Who was that? Mrs. Jefferson. George Jefferson's mother. From the Jeffersons. Oh, yeah, she was the voodoo mama. Yeah, the mama, yeah. Yeah. I thought you were talking about the main girl, the lead. But no, yeah, I knew she was something. The main girl, no.

I've only seen that movie once and that was the year that we, that year we did, you know, was it 73 or whatever? I don't know whatever year. I think it was. I think it did. 74. One of those two. Yeah. Yeah, I recognized the mama right away. I was like, oh, she's so sweet. How could she be a voodoo woman? Come on, man. She's Wheezy's mom or George's mom. One of the funniest scenes that was ever in an All in the Family was when they were...

having Lionel's engagement party. And George, the mother says, George, that's your third drink. And I'm not alone. And Archie comes over and goes, hey, there, Jeff, I wanted to talk to your mammy. And she frees up, who you pulling mammoth? I love it. Let's see here. Let's see. Go ahead. I'm ready when you guys are ready. Y'all ready to rock and roll? I'm ready to go. As ready as I can. When you consider you can barely scrape together 10 voodoo movies, yeah, I'm good.

I saw your lug the whole time, Bill. Oh, what a gorgeous picture you got there, buddy. I know. Every time you stood up and put your finger in your belly button, I was like, what is he doing? I was kidding. I was kidding. You didn't do that. All right, guys. Look at the quarter after 10. I know. I know. Yay.