Helly, good morning and welcome, welcome, welcome me. It's time now for Cherokee Chat. John Weston in the house and John, as always, he brings fans. How you doing, I do, Tom, how are you doing? Super doop osio and nagatostus on the lee, which just means hello everyone, Good morning, Welcome to another edition of Cherokee Chat. Last time we were here, Tom, we talked about the potential for wicked weather.
Unfortunately Oklahoma weather delivered. Well you prophi. Yeah, and we certainly want to keep all those folks affecting our prayers and help out where we can. Our hearts go out to the people of Barnstall. I know several businesses in Barnstall and the area who either organize drives for supplies or open their doors for people who needed shelter. We all know, the Barsels an amazing community.
When it comes to that, I can remember, you know, my entire life, I've lived here, so I can remember the eighty four flood and they wiped out part of the west side of town. And you know, we always, we always seem to come together and build, We come together as a community. I think it's great. I think I'm very fortunate to live in a community like this. So, as always with the h of our episodes, we want to extend our thanks to our sponsor, Cooperative
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where you belong. Check them out today on Facebook or other website at cooperativecu dot com. Insured by NCUA. And speaking of Coffeeville Credit Union, I saw their president, Lyle Martin this weekend. It was at the one hundred and twenty fifth anniversary homecoming and picnic of the Indian Women's Pokhontas Club Nice and it was a great event. He couldn't stay very long and he had to head back to Bartisville because he was celebrating his parents' seventieth wedding anniversary. Now
I can't even imagine that. In fact, I was just telling stage before he came on that I'm going to be married for sixteen years on Saturday, so I could not imagine being married for seventy years. That's a lifetime in itself. But we're going to wish the Martin's a happy anniversary. That family is a kind and positive influence of the Cherokee Nation in our communities, and
we're happy to see the Martins reach that mile. So this past Saturday's event was held at the Will Rogers birthplace that's near Ulaga, just off the lake. Will's birthplace was the Dog Iron Ranch. In last June, Cherokee Nation acquired it and is in the process of restoring the house there on the grounds. I have to say, as a Cherokee, seeing that Cherokee Nation flag when I pulled in, it gave me a boost of pride. Honestly, it gives you a good feeling. The ladies of the club did a wonderful
job organizing the event. It's always good to seeing some of our friends from that club. Manta Ewing, the club president, was there, Ali Starr, she was the main organizer. Celest Tillery and of course Chris Crane from Fried Bread Journey. She's been on the show before and a secretary at Native
American Fellowship. Manta is actually going to be on our show with us here on Cherokee Chat in June seventeenth, we were able to catch up with Shella Bolin, who's our Secretary of State from Cherokee Nation Can Duncan or Undersecretary.
It's always good to see them. I spoke with counselors Poindexter and Kevin Easley and our former counselor over there, Keith Austin, and he's helping to oversee the restoration project, and he said, we would guys talk a little bit about the efforts to have going on there, and he said something I thought was pretty profound about the whole process. He said, one of the difficulties restoring a historical building that needs work is you're restoring some of the main elements
of the building without actually disturbing certain aspects of it. So, for example, the roof is in desperate need of repair. He said, there were just tons of leaks that were in the roof, and say that they've got the shingling stripped off and everything, and he said, but the problem is
in some of the repair efforts. They have log hewned rafters, so you want to make sure you keep those things in their place and undisturb when you're actually trying to build around it. And he said, so that's going to be a long and tricky process. It's that's going to be a little tedious exactly if anyone knows, if anyone's ever worked on their home and done something major like that, replacing flooring or replacing a roof, Yeah, it's going
to be. It's a job without having to worry about that. Yeah. Set the event, there were several vendors, There was live music. We had traditional games such as hatchet throwing, cornstock shooting Cherokee marbles, and I tried my hand for the first time of my life at at at laddle. I have a hard time saying that at laddle for those that don't know, well, before the invention of the bow, at laddles were used to throw
spears. It's basically a piece of wood with a hook on one end and sometimes it has a rest on the other and the hook goes into the blunt end of the arrow or spear, and you study it and then you get it lined up with your target and then you overthrow. You basically you throw it just kind of like you would a ball, and what it does is your arm and the at laddle actually act as a It actually gives you leverage to give you a little more speed and power as you try to whip.
Actually exactly, that's exactly where right. And the cool thing is, I mean, they have discovered that this was technology that was used all around the world. In fact, I think they it went back as far as they found one that was like thirty two thousand years old, and they actually found the skull to arms of some of the prehistoric people. They call it at lettle elbow because of the repetitive nature of using that to hunt and probably to
go to battle. I would imagine they actually saw repetitive stress injuries for those folks. Wow. And the cool thing is the guy that was running it. He told me that the world record for the longest spear throw was two hundred and eighty six yards, So, I mean you think about that for a minute. I mean this's almost three football fields, man. Yeah. So anyway, we had a great time at the hatchet throwing contest as well. Bill Davis, Chris Crane, Harry Howard and I. We all played
for Naffy because we kind of vited up into communities. And today I brought somebody with me who's nonger to stickball or hatchet throwing, blowguns or anything Cherokee related or really and that's Sage Ellison of Sage Brush Beads. How are you, Sage? I'm good, great. So we had talked about you coming on today before the show, and I wanted to mention before we get started that Sage helped out at our last cultural day. She helped with beating and
just taught. We had probably about one hundred and twenty people out there so for our Cultural Day, and it was great. But she had a little booth set up out there and she would help with beating. And what I came away with was a better understanding of the ability of some of the kids, some kids who had never beat it before. Yeah. I was just amazed at what they were able to do. So have you seen that before?
I mean, do you see that very often the kids are able to maybe do a little better than some of the adults when they're trying it out. I haven't until that day. Like I had taught my sisters and they struggled with it a little bit, but there was one kid and he really understood it. He sat there with me all day and he did just about as good as I did. A few months in. Yeah, I was amazed he made a keych either it was a key chain or something. Yeah.
Yeah. So, and then the other thing I got to kind of brag on her about is we had some kids, and of course we were being safe. But she's really great with some of the younger people. And I just want to ask you, you know, I try to ask everybody this because not everyone comes to it in the same way. Some people are born into it, some people discover their identity through it native culture. But how did you become interested in your Cherokee culture. I've always been around it,
really. I spent a lot of time with my grandma growing up, and she always took us to the elder nutrition and I spent a lot of time with elders growing up. I heard their stories. She instilled it in us really early on that on oor year elders and everything. So that's a mindset that's I've carried on for twenty years and everything. Yeah, and her grandmother was Barbara Ellison, just a sweet lady. Everyone I've ever talked to has nothing the nice things to say about her. And she showed me a
picture one time over and she's a little five foot grandmother. I think everyone could say that's kind of about their grandma's But she was trying to load her up with food when she was over at her house, and I said that, just that's a typical Cherokee or a really typical grandma anywhere you go, right always thinking their grandkids are going hungry for some reason. So, you know, embracing your Cherokee heritage. What are make some of the values you
think you've learned from it. I've never really thought about that. Like my grandma instilled in me, like honoring elders and anything. That's something that I always try to carry with me. Please remember that as we get older. I don't really know. Well. I think one of the things, one of the things I've learned from it is it's just the aspect of community. Yeah, always given back, you know, and always helping each other out. I mean, just like we saw in the aftermath of tornadoes, you
know, always going around helping each other out. So what led you to become How did you become interested in beating, is what I want to know. Did your grandma teach you that? Or is that? Okay? I was the first person in my family that was interested in anything like that. I was going through a really hard time. My mental health was non existent, and I needed something to do other than sit at home crying around.
So I turned to that. I taught myself with YouTube and TikTok and whatever else I could find, and eventually I got a little bit better, and I started buying better supplies, and I've just kept going now. So you really turned that into a positive I did, really. I mean, that's great. Nice so as an artist, because I really I consider you an artist beating your art farms and you know, like you know, songs, songs are an art, you know, of writing poetry is art very much
in art, especially in the Native communities. How do you see it as a way to represent, you know, Native culture to the public and other natives? I mean, do you see it as a way to sort of open up about your Cherokee Here we're a monolith, but we're all the same and everything exactly. You know. I always think it's funny to watch some of the older mooiners. I still like that movie, but you know,
as tribal citizen, she's still well. And the funny thing is, you know I'd mentioned that he had been a squad overcoming on Cherokee Chat and for everything you do to keep our cultural Cherokee, I'm sorry, Washington County Cherokee Association Facebook of and two this month's prize giveaways two coffee cups and Blaze with Cherokee Nation Seal. You can actually drop the Cherokee word for coffee, Cowie
or the emoji coffee in the comment section on our Facebook page. You can also tune in to catch the next edition of Cherokee Chat May twenty fourth, at eight thirty in the morning with my guest, Cherokee tribal member and Washington County Commissioner MIT Channel. You can follow us on Facebook at Cherokee Chat, or catch us our show on the Barzel Radio Facebook page or on demand to
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