#1118: March 14, 2006

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I love you. Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledge Fight, I'm Dan. I'm Jordan. We're a couple dudes. Uh like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. Oh indeed we are Dan Jordan. Dan Jordan. I have a quick question for you. What's your bright spot today, buddy? Well we have a tradition here. It is February, so that means that I go second. Yep. Okay. Uh my bright spot today is that Jill Scott has a new album out. Okay. It's very good.

Uh it's fantastic. It's her first album in like ten years. And she does my favorite thing that Jill Scott does. Uh which is uh she's a poet and she finds the metaphor in the mundane, which is always lovely. But also sometimes that looks like I w I woke up at four I got some eggs. Like it's just narrating your day. And it's like sometimes you're finding the metaphor in the mundane.

Sometimes you're just narrating your day. Sometimes it's just the mundane. Sometimes it's just like you really needed to tell me about these scrambled eggs you made. And maybe there's a metaphor in there that you, Jordan, are you I don't need it. I've ne yeah, exactly.

So it just seems mundane to you. Totally. Someone else might be crying about those things. Somebody else might be losing their mind. Yeah. But at the same time there's also the mundane in there. Well that's great. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar, my friend. Sometimes it's not. Sometimes it's a penis. Yeah. That's right. Absolutely. And sometimes it explodes. Wait, the cigar or the penis? The both.

On a birthday I'm doing some eyebrow wagging at you. What's your bright spot? Um I so I'm feeling a little bit better, uh we're a little bit late with this episode'cause I got struck with uh another Another illness. Um it it was uh it was weird. It's it I feel like neither of us were sick. Pretty much through COVID. Decade. And this year has just already been Um a bit a bit of illness.

At the beginning of January fucked up our immune system because It might be for ten years I don't think I've ever gotten sick. No, it's very weird. Yeah. It's and then I got sick again too. We've both been sick twice already within the first two months. Yeah.

It's it's something. Yeah. Um but yeah, I s I was sleeping a lot, did a lot of sleeping. Um, but also had a little bit of time to uh enjoy some Pikmin. And so I've been making my way through Pikmin. All right. And I have some observations that I'd like to share with the class. Um they're all good so far. All the Pikmin are good so far. All Pikmin are good Pikmin. Okay. I'm on Pikmin three.

And that is really where it came together. Okay. Pikmin one is good, but it's kind of easy and it's a little bit short and Almost like proof of concept. I was about to say proof of concept. This could be fun if we nail it. Yeah. I think it has the feel of like a very successful um demo indie-ish game. Yeah, gotcha. And then two, they evolve on

some of the stuff, but it's not fully there. And then I think in three it's just like this is the fucking game. You guys nailed it. It's so good. Yeah. Nice. Um so yeah, I'm I'm and I'm still just enjoying the hell out of it as I play I've played them Many times throughout my life and I'm still enjoying throwing those little guys around. There are just some games like that where it is for whatever reason, like the time in your life when it hits you or just like

This gameplay loop, the tactile feel of it just hits my brain right. Yeah. Yeah. I think there's just a lot of charm. Mm-hmm. The it looks so good. Yeah. Like everything is cartoony and pleasant and most of it is like You're riding around little gardens or whatever, trying to pick up bottle caps and shit.

That's it's just fun and calming in the same way that a lot of people found like uh Animal Crossing calming. Yeah. Um and then uh those little guys. They're fun. They I mean, yeah. You throw'em. No argument. It's fun to throw little guys. And I think you know, this sucks, but I do feel like the villains in the game have it coming.

Like I I feel bad that there's combat. It would be nice if there wasn't. Yeah. But those big guys they're gonna eat your little guys at night if you don't kill'em. I mean to a certain to a certain extent, narratively, every villain uh has to be. ha uh deserving of the of their comeuppance. Uh regardless of whether or not we would say so outside, the narrative has to drive towards them receiving a uh uh uh an equal

Yeah. But I would I would argue that in a lot of narrative driven uh stuff the villain has a good point though. Like oftentimes they're misunderstood or they're like hey, they're right, but they're going about things in the wrong way. Sure. These villains in uh in uh Pikmin. Nah. You know what undercut uh Black Panther? Uh because I think Michael B. Jordan's character does have a lot of really good points, but it's tough when your name is Killmonger to be the good guy.

You don't name yourself Killmonger if you're the good guy, right? A name that you negotiate with. Yeah. You don't come around on Killmonger. No, no, no, no, no, no. You're you're trying to send a message. Yeah. Yeah. Isn't I mean there's a a villain named like Apocalypse, right? Yeah. Yeah, like that guy's not gonna be Did he not chill? Yeah. Now on the other hand, if the if the villain names himself just like Terry Jones, you're like

I mean he seems like he could be a normal guy eventually. Uhhuh. Yeah. Or like your name as a a supervillain is we've gotta deal with the problems Then it's it's like, well yeah My welcome to Systemic Issues Man Yeah I can I could hang with that quicker than Killmonger. Yeah, Killmonger is real I I I think you just write yourself into the corner once you name a character. People are gonna treat you a certain way. Yeah. Yeah.

Anyway, we had a killmonger to talk about today, uh and we'll do that in a second. Let's uh take a little moment to say hello to somebody who wonk. Ooh, that's a great idea. So first, Paul in Alabama has just joined the ranks of the policy wonks. Thank you so much. You're not a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much. Thank you. Uh next, Agrippa says Jar Jar Binks to the wonk.

Sorry, Technocrat on Aegis Company, that Kaiju has a black Caribbean accent. Thank you so much. You're now Balziwonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you so much, you're an IO policy won. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much. Thank you. And we got a technocrat in the mix, Jordan. So thank you so much to Lucy Lee, into my gang. Happy birthday. I love you, Mr. Kylie. Thank you so much. You're now a technocrat.

I'm a policy wonk. Four stars. Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant. Someone someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop. Daddy Shark. Uh Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent. He's a loser little little titty baby. I don't want to hate black people. I renounce Jesus Christ. Thank you so much. Thank you very much.

So Jordan, today we're back in the past. Gotcha. I think when you're a little bit under the weather, uh it's tough to listen to Alex. Uh when you got He's he's an annoying man and it it it's a challenge. But when you have like a head cold and a fever, you don't want to be listening to this fella. No.

So I decided to you know, we gotta make things easy on myself. Let's let's stay in the past. So we're gonna be talking about march fourteenth, two thousand six. All right. And there's not mu there's not a lot here. There's a lot of lot of filler on the episode itself. But some of the things that we're looking at in two thousand six. are heavily developed. Namely Alex's relationship with Slobodon Milosevich. That is I I mean sure.

All right. So we're gonna find out that he's he's actually it's okay for him to use slow boat. They are close. Yes. Okay. Um I think he's quite I think we're gonna come away from this with a Alex is neutral on genocide. Well, I mean neutral I've I've throw this out at you. There is no neutral on genocide. Neutral? You already on the you're on one side. That's it's an interesting take you have, and I I uh I I agree. So uh we start off here and Alex is talking about how Slobo was murdered.

Spend on. Intelligence agents are in overdrive right now. spin the murder of Slovak Milanzevic. It fits the classic MO. He said he was being poisoned, said he was gonna going to be murdered. And they had uh admittedly twenty four hour a day bright lights on him for years. He never was allowed to have even semi semi darkness. And uh video cameras on him at all times. It it had been even in international news that uh there would be three guards whenever anyone was in the cell with him.

He has not seen his wife or or or children in in five years since they grabbed him. So so so no one was allowed in to even sing. That's all not true. And it's unclear where Alex is even taking those assertions from. Yeah. For one thing, Slobodon Milosevich was acting as his own lawyer, and that granted him certain privacies from the jail and the prosecution.

He was able to have a private office area and he was able to meet with people confidential uh confidentially when it was arguably part of his defense. This is how he took many meetings that were likely how his associates smuggled various drugs into him.

They had to give him like privileged visiting for like b partially because of head of state stuff and then also uh partially because of he's acting as his own lawyer. Yeah. He can't have a fair trial if you're always watching him. Right, right, right, right. The jail that Slobo was kept in had a separate comfort room for conjugal visits, and while I'm not sure he if he ever used it with his wife, she did visit him on multiple occasions. Sure.

This behavior from Alex seems sort of desperate. Like a major world event happened and he needs to make a conspiracy out of it. I'm not sure there's much of an upside to this because I have no idea what the globalists would hope to gain out of killing Milosevic at this point. If the idea was that he they were killing him to shut him up, they took their sweet time with that and allowed him to speak in court in his own defense quite a bit already at this point. Crazy.

For Alex, everything has to be interesting, and Slobodon Milosevich's death isn't really all that interesting. Him dying of a heart attack during his trial for crimes against humanity is disappointing from a narrative standpoint because There isn't a big closure where he's held responsible for his actions, or he gets to have this big third act Dios Machina reveal that he was innocent all along.

Him just dying sucks, but life sucks sometimes. Yeah. When people say that folks gravitate toward conspiracy theories because they make them feel better, it often means something like this. The international community spent all this time unseating Milosevic and then all this time putting him on trial, then what does that even amount to? It ends with a heart attack before the verdict even comes down. This is an intolerable level of chaos, and most people just want any other explanation.

Alex is willing to directly lie to the audience and make a victim out of Slobodon Milosevich because doing that helps him pretend that there's an order to the universe. He couldn't have just randomly died of a heart attack. This is too important of a show to get cancelled mid season. Yeah. And Alex is providing people with the feeling of like, oh no.

This is actually part of a bigger plot as opposed to like, no, it's just a letdown. It sucks. Yeah. You know, I I think we talked about it off air off air a little bit, but like, listen. You don't send a pole into the island. You just kill him. Right? You can't be you can't be doing this. You gotta learn your lesson. We fucked up that one time. Slowboat, eh, I get it. We all want trials and all that shit. No, get him out of here. What are we doing?

You guys are the ones who unseated him from the thing because you know he did the crime. Once you unseat him, that is the trial, right? Mm-hmm. No, not necessarily I mean like uh you could you could make an argument of it wasn't like the UN that unseated him. Sure. Th obviously there were you know, there was international support for the groups that were opposing him and shit. But like

Yeah, yeah, I I I don't know. I I I think that the rule of law is important. I'm with ya. And I think that uh you what you're expressing, you run the risk of erring too far the other direction. I I understand that risk, but here's my line for you. Uh Slobodon Milosevich. Mm-hmm. I won't go any further than Slobo. Ha ha Yeah. That's our Mendoza lie. If you're slow bo, sorry, fuck off. I'm not I'm not like being quiet because I'm disagreeing with you

I'm being quiet because I keep wanting to make a no slow boat. I know I'm just like don't do it. Don't d come on, man. What what is this? Twenty twenty? Jesus Christ. Um I I don't know. I I think that there is value to uh having a quicker prosecution, certainly. Let's say that. We can agree in the middle there. Hey, all I'm saying is that once you're like guarding Slobodon Milosevic and he's bringing in somebody to fuck We've ruined we've messed up. We're wrong. We are wrong. Yeah. Yeah.

So Alex uh thinks that the entire story about Serbia is all a fraud. That sounds true. And this is a mess. The whole story we've heard about what happened in Serbia is a fraud. And if Slobo's a monster, then the Croats and the Muslims are even bigger monsters. If if he's a demon, they're Satan.

uh in what really happened over there. And and it's admitted, I mean we've interviewed people like Senator Enhoff years ago who went over there. Piles of dead Sir Serb soldiers Uh the coalition forces would kill Serbs, put them in the KLA uniforms, put'em in Muslim uh uh civilian clothes, uh uh stage mass graves, they'd show piles of manure.

as fertilizer at farms and claim they were mass graves w from orbit with satellites. That was proven to be frauds. They would stage massacres. All admitted. You understand? It is admitted. That all those big headlines and all those big top stories and all the things you heard, mainstream news, the government news, ha has retracted but always back of the paper tiny blurb. The the the the propaganda pieces though were top news for weeks, top news every night.

Top news on the cable channels covered of time, newsweek, people, just just everything. Just oh the mass murder, oh the s concentration camp victims. When really it would be UN in one case uh st uh uh refugees all around a UN food center with barbed wire around it, trying to get in to get the food. This is some really disgusting stuff and I don't want to nitpick this with too much of a fine toothed comb, but I want to bring up a glaring point that Alex needs to do a better job about.

We discussed this time magazine cover that Alex is talking about on our last two thousand six episode, and he's lying about what it captured. We didn't talk about this on the last episode, but Alex is getting the claim that this footage was all faked as a big propaganda stunt from an article that was published in the

in a communist magazine called Living Marxism. Doesn't seem like that's the kind of place Alex would get his news, but hey, you know, two thousand six is a different time. It's a different time, man. So Living Marxism published an article attacking the ITN reporters' coverage of the camps in Bosnia, so the reporters sued them and won a massive judgment in the High Court.

ITN said that they would give the money they got uh f out of the judgment to the Red Cross and living Marxism was put out of business. Right. The claims that Alex is relying on to deny Milosevic's crimes are actually just libels that have already been adjudicated in court and he has every reason to know that. But the bigger problem for his show is that that picture was captured during the Bosnian War, not the Kosovo War.

If Alex wants to make Slobodan Milosevic into the good guy because he was fighting against Muslims or Albanians in the Kosovo Liberation Army, that's wrong. But at least from the conventionally accepted borders of the time, Kosovo was within the territory of Serbia. You'd be wrong to do so, but Alex could take the position that Slobo carried out atrocities for the sake of putting down a rebellion that was uh carrying out even greater atrocities. Sure, sure, sure, sure, sure. He could

Maybe stand on that phone. If you wanted to be uh yeah. But Milosevic began a war against the KLA in nineteen ninety eight. The picture of the man at the concentration camp that was on the cover of Time was from august nineteen ninety two. That picture was taken in Bosnia and Herzegovina where the Serb population of that country, with the assistance of Milosevic, were trying to wipe out the Muslim and Croat population.

Alex is trying to argue that Milosevic is the good guy, or lesser of the bad guys in the Kosovo war, but the examples of instances where he thinks the globalists did propaganda false flags are about the Bosnian War. Even that Mass Graves thing that he's talking about has to do with uh Surabrnenka, which is in uh Bosnia and Herzegovina.

The UN had decided that Sbrenica was a safe zone, so naturally that led to refugees from around the country going there to escape violence. In nineteen ninety five, Serb forces stormed Sabrenica and killed over eight thousand people. US intelligence produced satellite images of mass graves which prompted Bosnian Serb forces to dig up the graves and rebury bodies in various locations and

So someone might think that the graves were just manure piles if they came to investigate. Right. Which is what Alex is perpetuating. Right, right, right, right. Alex is saying monstrous stuff here and Like, it's very inexcusable at this point in two thousand six for him to have

these takes. Yeah. Um but bigger problem, I don't think he knows the difference between Bosnia and Kosovo. Yeah, it does feel like that is the case. Yeah. I don't know if he knows the difference between Bosnia and Serbia. No. Other than that they're at war. Like if The details of who's who lost on him. He knows that two people are at war. That's kind of more what I'm getting from him. I think he understands that it all has something to do with Yugoslavia. Right.

But he doesn't know where that is. And something doesn't know why Muslims are really involved because Muslims and commies and but also he doesn't really know where Kosovo is. You know, I think he knows that one a little better. Okay. Because you know, he's talking about like Jim Inhoff. And Jim Enrof was a major supporter of Kosovo. Senator. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so like I think that Alex understands that one geographically, but I don't know

I don't I don't know if he understands the distinction between things that happened when and how both have to do with Milosevich. Yeah. I think he I think he just thinks like Ah he's he's dealing with uprisings or something. Whatever it is, I I don't think he comes off as in any way a trustworthy source of information. Right. Anyone who was listening to this who had read stuff. should probably be like, This guy sounds like a f fucking idiot. Yeah. Yeah.

Let me throw this out at you. Again, here w uh not to belabor the point, but uh slowbo you know because I think If I were to go by if you hey, listen, you don't get a trial if you made a mass grave and then made people dig it up to hide that you made a mass grave. Yeah.'Cause I feel like the net that that would catch, very small. Sure. I think that It's unfortunate but The way that Uh a lot of the atrocities were carried out were maybe uh difficult to link directly to Silobodon Delosevic. Sure.

'Cause there were, you know, like Serbian uh uh you know uh uh militias within Bosnia and Herzegovina or Croatia and like I think That maybe some of those mass graves that we were talking about, maybe you wouldn't be able to tie it back to him. Sure. Maybe even some of the concentration camps and and shit that we'd you know, we're disg the I Man, weird that Alex likes this guy. It's horrifying that he likes this guy. So this this next clip. Even more horrifying.

In one case uh st uh uh refugees all around a UN food center with barbed wire around it, trying to get in to get the food and they show one guy who had tuberculosis uh who was very very skinny. Of course then if you see the rest of the video, which has now been shown, it shows fat people on either side of him, but they are there disheveled begging for food, and they said, Look at him in a Serb camp.

Total lie. They staged it knowingly and the ITN individuals have now been proven to be government operatives. This is what they do. And and so get past your emotion of I don't like him, he's a he's a Hitler. Not true. Did they go around and um get into ethnic warfare? Did they try to force people out of certain areas? Yes. Were they first? Yes. Did they not give in to the UN and the New World Order? Yes. Okay. So

You chose a random date for us to go back to, and I think we've accidentally stumbled onto one of the most revealing moments in Alex's career. I mean, this is wild. He's not opposed to genocide and ethnic cleansing if you just say you didn't start it. This is insane. I I mean, okay. Like While I understand the concept of I didn't start it, once you go force people out of their homes.

You are starting it. Now you have now started a second part of it. Did they start an ethnic war and displace the state of the world? I feel like you can't yada yada yada that. Now granted they did. No, that's not okay. That's not even a That's not like a ah, you get one. You don't get any! Hey, come on. Boys will be boys. I'm sure they'll learn their lesson. No, once you take a bunch of people's land, you're probably gonna keep doing it. I can't um I can't imagine Alex like

Being this blunt. The present. This is so this is so Are we gonna do a little ethnic cleansing? ICE. What do you want? I don't know. It stands for I see ethnic cleansing. I it it's hard to imagine why you um you know I I I it's this is difficult because No one no one really took this seriously. It feels like this should have been way more important than it was. I guess I guess it feels like so it's two thousand six. Yeah. The people

Aren't too interested in Slobo. Yeah. He's like a backpage story. He's been in the Hague for five years or whatever. The trial's been ongoing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So so I can understand why this doesn't like move the needle for a large group of people, but at the same time it should like raise your ear and go, Wait, he's fine with ethnic cutscene? We're seven years removed from like the end of the Balkan war. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Uh and like so I I guess maybe some of the heat of a and I think this is a sweet spot too,'cause two thousand six isn't w like social media isn't around. Yeah. So people aren't gonna be making a big deal out of like Alex's Uh wishy washy on ethnic clinics. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This could disappear into the radio waves and people wouldn't be able to like You know, remember it. It's so it's so hard to put yourself back in a pre everybody's on Facebook world where it's like

Anything could turn into the topic of Facebook that day. Yeah. Whereas this could just be there and gone and no one would ever remember. Yeah. Yeah, but then if you take this seriously and you take the position that he has seriously, then like Obviously he's in favor of expelling absolutely non white people from the United States. He feels like they're trying to start an

Exactly what the it's exactly the yeah. Like it m it totally makes sense how brutal he wants things to be and it explains his his present day like. They just should have taken him seriously. I mean it is it is wild to think that Of all the problems that we've had with so many political figures that Alex specifically has had with so many of those political figures, it is the one most like Slobodan Milosevic that he decided to support. Yeah.

Mm-hmm. Wild. Slowbo. Slowbo and Trump are not that far apart. I think um yeah, one of them had a better reality show. That is true. That is true. That was keeping up with the Slowbows.

Oh god. Oh boy. So anything uh uh anyway, everything that we're told about about Milosevic. It's not true. It's just so amazing. That that what we were told about Slobo and Arcan and all the rest of these guys, ninety five percent of it wasn't true. Were they hard nosed? Yeah, but five percent is still doing a lot of bad things? Yes. Were their backs against the wall under attack and under siege? Yes.

I didn't mean to start the show with this today. I just start looking at this New York Times article. Experts suggest Melozevic died in a drug ploy. Yes, he did it. He there's no evidence of that. All the evidence is they poisoned him. So Alex uh in that clip said uh the things we hear about uh Slobo and Archon are not true. Uh oh. Do you do you know that guy?

Don't remember him. So Archon was the alias of a guy named Zelko Raznatovic, uh who was one of the most brutal and violent warlords in the Balkans. up until his death in two thousand. He was a bank robber and general criminal until the breakup of Yugoslavia when he decided to start a paramilitary group called the Serb Volunteer Guard that grew out of like

football hooliganism and he's an ambitious guy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This was an international terrorist group that killed unknown numbers of people in Bosnia, Croatia, and Serbia. He was a thug, not a politician. So Milosevich didn't see Arcan as a threat to his power, but more as like a blunt instrument he could use to kill civilians. Who's not technically his own instrument?

But somebody who's acting independently, quote unquote. Right. Yeah. It it doesn't threaten political power and can probably be crushed by state military power if need be. But for now he's aimed at the right people. Right. This is fucking insane for Alex to be talking about how Oh, we're all lied to about these warlords and I mean, it is it is amazing the idea that you can 'Cause I don't subscribe to that.

Concept of like, hey, listen, 95% of what they're telling you is wrong. But within the 5% that they told me was true, you have admitted. was ethnic cleansing. Mm-hmm. Kicking people out of their hopes. You interviewed yourself and copped to that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So I I r while I respect that lying is wrong. I don't care in regards to this one. You can't even have five percent. You can't have two percent. You can't have two percent ethnic cleansing. That's no. Right. Yeah. And and let's

Let's like pump the fucking brakes. These numbers are made up. Absolutely. These percentages are made the fuck up. That's what I'm saying. Even by your own ridiculous percentages, you are indicted. Ninety five percent of the stuff that I accuse them of saying about these people is a lie. Right. Okay.

Well, you're lying about what other people are saying. Yeah. So what numbers are real here? We are tangled in a web of lies. A and and uh yeah. I I mean like What w the numbers can't capture the substance. And and I think that there is obviously a much larger um, political and historical picture that goes into

The the Balkans and and the breakup of Yugoslavia. Of course. And it can't be as simply told as like the Serbs were bad and the Bosniaks and the Croats were good or anything like that. And I don't want to give that impression. Yeah. And I think it's possible to view the situation as more complex as one side versus another, sure. And still say, like, yeah, Arkane was a fucking brutal warlord who killed civilians.

and is is not deserving of your like support. Yeah. You don't have to be somebody who's like uh against the Serb population to not look up to him. It's very easy. Yeah. And I don't think that Alex can get there. I t you know what it speaks to? It speaks to the power of that rhetorical trick. You know that like preemptive Did he kill some people? Yes. Was it for a bad reason? Of course.

Did he murder my mom? Maybe. You know, like you can't But whoomst among us. Yeah, exactly. It's so it's such a ridiculous rhetorical trick as it gets more insane. Yeah. Yeah. I think that I think that it's why don't take it seriously. Yeah. Don't take any rhetorical tricks here.

Alex sucks, man. He really does. This is bad. This is bad. Um so caller calls in and asks him, Hey man, do you want to run for the fuck? Do you wanna run for president? No, I I'm not gonna run for president. Thank you so much. Number two, uh the presidency's totally bought for, uh uh bought off and controlled. We all y sixty percent of people came out in the last election to vote. But on average about eight percent come out to vote in local elections when the real power is local.

So the presidency itself is turned into a diversion, a distraction. You can forget seizing control of that. You've got to start at the lower level first. And no, I don't plan to ever run for political office. We're way past that point, trying to get control of committee chairmanships and trying to get control of uh the presidency. It's gonna happen at the state level if it happens at all. I think that tells you everything you need to know about the shift Alex made in the recent years.

Previous to being recruited by Roger Stone, Alex didn't believe that it was possible to seize power on the national level. He knew that the ideas he pushed were things that he could usually make sound decent in long-winded meandering rants, but when it was time to put them into law, no one would be interested.

It's awesome to yell about freedom and how the man can't hold back the human spirit, but when you realize that what's behind that is a law making it so employers are free from responsibility for on the job injuries, your enthusiasm fades just a little bit. It's a little different. Alex likes to act like upholding the Constitution is the end all be all of his philosophy, and part of that is the importance of states rights over the federal government. But that's an act.

In the real world, he just recognized that his ideology couldn't compete on the national level, whereas there was a real chance that a very small number of zealots could change a local election. His shit was unpopular, but unpopular can work when turnout is low enough. When you hear a clip like this, there's a draw towards thinking, Wow, Alex sure has changed. But I actually think that this is very compatible with his present day ideology.

It's not about whether the states or the federal government should be in charge. It's all about ha uh power and how it can be taken. At some point, Alex was convinced that a top down seizure of power was possible, whereas before he believed that it could only come bottom up. Yeah.

You c only could take the states and use that to control the federal government or or to disempower it to the point where your states could do whatever they wanted. Yeah. I mean I think I think That's that's such a great um how would I put it? Like if you if you take a look at his words from those different time periods, right, you see different words and if you think those different words mean anything, you're absurd. But that goal is what changed the word.

That idea of this is what we do to create something small and then go from something big. changed once he thought he could get something big and oppress something small. Yeah. It's just it's not that the the words meant anything in either situation. It's just that the goal changed. Well, no. The goal was the same. Well the goal was the goal was always taking power.

Right. The tactics changed. Yeah. Yeah. What we thought the means to the goal was or what he was pretending was the the the way we're going to achieve this thing. Yep. That's what changed because that was all bullshit. Yep. But he... Because

Because there is this sense that like, well, it's not we're never gonna be able to take over government. We're not gonna get people into these positions. Yeah. Because he had that, he'd given up on that. Yeah. There was a uh an appearance and a preaching of like the only true way according to the constitution is to go bottom up.

And that that was bullshit. That was all fake. That was this that's all uh ludicrous. It was all r rationalization in service of the only way he felt his side and his extremism could get power. Right. Right. Iv every time we're asked like what does Alex really believe? You know, does he believe the shitty saying? And it's like you should get rid of the shitty saying and you should see if this is what he believes is how to get power, he will say it. Mm hmm The end.

And and I think that that uh you know, you can oversimplify you can think that's oversimplified a little bit with like just ignore everything he's saying. Right, right, right. That's not true. No you should not discount everything, but you shouldn't like take him as like you shouldn't A liar isn't always lying. Right. But a liar is often lying. And yeah, and you can't trust somebody if they're a liar. Yeah.

Anyway, um we get another caller uh and they want to know uh hey who's uh who's gonna win this uh next election. Yeah. This two thousand eight election. Ooh boy. Now we know that Alex should probably be like Head on swivel about this Obama guy. It seems like if God was talking to him, I guess it is two thousand six. Yeah. So Obama's not like

The biggest figure in the city. Junior Senator from uh Illinois. But God talks to him. Exactly. Yeah. God does the talking. Yeah. He shouldn't need to have media coverage. Yeah.

Who do who do either one of you uh both of you actually think is gonna be our next president and I'll listen. Well I've said I don't think the presidency matters. The globalists have got that bought and paid for and it's gonna be their their pony. They always uh I mean whether it's Hillary or whether it's Uh some Republican, it doesn't matter, it's the same agenda, Jim.

I think it's gonna be Mark Warner, but I I I I agree with you. I don't think it matters and what Downsize what Downsize D C dot org is all about is about going around the electoral process and focusing on putting the pressure on the people in office, making it mind numbing and relentless. Yeah, a lot of people are saying it's gonna be the governor of uh Virginia.

Yeah, he's he's got he's the most centrist and he's in the south and I think he's he kinda follows the pattern of Clinton. I think the Democrats want him and I think George Bush has really hurt the Republicans. I agree with you. I agree with you. Uh and and he went to the Bilderberg last year, and he's going this year, we're told. And so that's I mean he'll be knighted right there and he's sworn in by the Elsebub himself so

Uh very, very serious situation. All right. I guess I guess it's very serious. Um I guess if you're uh anointed at Bilderberg it doesn't really mean anything. Right.'Cause he Mark Warner didn't present. I mean I guess it me it would mean more if you hadn't also run the country into a massive depression. That one that the calculus changes on that one a little bit. Well uh I think I think well Mark Warner um is cer certainly Alex made a documentary about him later, the Warner Deception. Um

Yeah, his predictions are always right. That's one thing we should know we should call. You can say he's crazy, but now look at where we are. Genius. So he's talking to this guy from an organization called Downsize DC. Right. Which is kind of funny, uh, in hindsight now. Yeah. Um I would describe them as a What th this term got thrown around a bit during the uh during during the I guess this era. Paper terrorism.

Okay. Where he's explicitly saying he wants to make it mind numbing to be in government. We're gonna send it's not illegal to send letters, so we're gonna send ten million letters. Every day this guy's gonna have to open each letter and just the very fact that he's gonna get so many paper cuts is gonna make him listen to us.

And he he explicitly is saying like we uh set out to make it so their paper is jammed in the fax machines. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And like just make it so government is impossible to function. Right. And like That's the mentality they have in two thousand six towards the federal government. Yep. And now they're mad if people blow whistles at ICE agents. Yeah. It's crazy. Yeah.

I mean, you know, the irony there is of course they are doing a better job at keeping the government from working by being in the government than by sending a lot of paper. Yeah. Well I mean there's workarounds I think to the paper stuff. They're they uh it's a lot easier to get around that. Yeah. Yeah. You can you can learn to deal with that anu that nuisance, that annoyance. Yeah. Um whereas them being in charge is just like

Do you know do you know what I would g I would I listen, there are a lot of there's a lot of shit, right? And it can't quite be solved by just uh, you know, talk em ups and whatnot. But I would like it if more administrators in the Trump administration could just be like We're really not that good at this. Like, we can do some some stuff. But like I don't know actuaries, man. I'm actually not that good at this. Like I would just like that admission.

Hey, can I tell you a secret? Yeah. No one knows what an actuary is. Exactly. See what I'm saying? Like I would love it if they were like, honestly, this was a lot harder than I expected. Mm-hmm. All of this I think it's magic. There's so many numbers. Every time I ask a question, all these people use words at me. Mm. Terrifying. Yeah.

So the rest of this episode's kind of a dud. Yeah. Uh kind of boring. But I think it's so critical. It's so important. Um, and also I've been sick, so I've I'm a little light on uh being able to uh pull myself up on my bootstraps. It is such a it is such a weird random coincidental thing to go back twenty years based on a number I just chose out of nowhere and discover that Alex is a slowbo fan. I don't know if that I don't know if there's any possible way I could have predicted

Any of that. It's so weird. Um, I mean Granted, you know, it was a little collaboration in terms of the date, but I didn't choose this specifically for this at all. This was a big old surprise. I apologize for not Giving you full credit on the first time. I chose two thousand six. You did. You did. And I rejected a couple of years. I mean, yeah, I'm I could have rigged this. It was only it was only a uh uh yeah, yeah, yeah. I apologize. I it's it's unnecessary.

You know? Yeah. Th you don't need you don't need to defend Slobodon Milosevic. Nope. I don't this is such a a noxious position for him to have, I believe. And uh it's It's like I said on our last episode, it's not one that he keeps for a very long time. So I uh God's fascinated by like what is g what is gonna happen here. So fucking weird. Yeah. So weird. There are so few Slobodon Milosevic supporters then, now

Before then? Well, I mean, among like maybe Serb internationalist uh Right. But at the end, even there, not many people on the team. There were still some people, but at the end there really weren't that many. Somehow at the end, Alex jumps on the bandwagon. The the empty bandwagon of Slowbo fans. I like uh when we're able to see something that's confusing and also somewhat

Maybe too relevant. Yeah. Uh, in the past. Yeah. And so I'm I'm appreciative for that. It is a it is a light that illuminates a confusion. Yeah. And man, I'm I'm gonna I'm gonna keep digging at this uh thread. I'm gonna see what I can learn. I think we have to find out all there is to know about this. Yeah. This is crazy. Alex's walk with Slowbo. Yeah. So we'll check back in on that, uh but uh until then uh we have a website. Indeed we do, it's Knowledgefight.com.

We'll be back. But until then, I'm Neo. I'm Leo. I'm D Z X Clark. I am the mysterious professor. Woo yeah. And now here comes w the sex robots. Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding. Well Alex, I'm a first time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work.