American Mary

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I'm Prince, also known as Head Night. And I'm Freddie, also known as Nighty Night. And I'm Sydney, also known as Chronicles of the Night. And continuing the month of Chronicles of the Night.

actually concluding the month can you believe it's been a fucking month already y'all no yeah that's crazy even though january was like also the longest month of my whole life but i agree oh yeah for real what the fuck was up with that like that was weird like that i'd never felt like i was in a different universe more than january No, I totally agree. I literally said that to somebody. I'm like, I feel like we've like slipped through the fabric of.

time and space and we're somehow stuck absolutely i feel like everyone felt it too like everyone like there was a meme it was like oh it's january 40th it's like literally it feels like it yes i swear to god like we We had a double day in January. We had to have had a double day. We had to have. 100%. It felt so odd of how long January felt.

But this isn't a podcast about calendars. No, no, no. This is a podcast about horror movies. And we are going to conclude this month with another amazing pick. That we probably wouldn't have thought about putting on this list because I am thinking of a category that we would have probably done this and maybe a body manipulation month that could have been maybe a Cronenberg and Soska sisters kind of like spin or something, but I don't know.

Besides the point, Sydney did add this to the list. Sydney, why'd you add this one to the list? I love American Mary. And it's one of those that like. especially around the time that it came out. Cause like the reason I even found out about this movie, did I ever tell you guys about my Tumblr I had in like 2012? Yeah, it was pretty popular too, right? Yeah, I had like a horror movie Tumblr when Tumblr was a thing in like 2012 and I was like in high school.

And I had like 30,000 followers on it, which is like a big deal when you're 16 and it's Tumblr. And that's where I discovered this movie. People told me about it and it was around the time that it came out and I watched it and I was like, what the fuck?

did I just watch? And it changed my brain chemistry. And for years, anytime somebody would listen to me, I told them about this movie because I'm like, nobody ever talks about this movie. You need to watch American Mary. It's always been one of my favorites. That's awesome. Oh, man. And Freddie, this is your first time hearing about America Mary. Yeah. Speaking to what you just said, I feel like no one really talks about this movie. Exactly. I'm pretty sure I've seen the poster before.

For whatever reason, I thought it was connected to American Psycho like a spinoff in a way. We don't talk about American Psycho 2, though. I've never heard of this movie, to be honest. And I'm really glad that you actually put this on here, too. Because for me... I really enjoyed this movie a lot.

I think this movie has so much going for it and there's so much going on and there's so many different themes and different elements and seeing this protagonist that is technically an antagonist who's doing like illegal things and she's working with like shady ass people.

just rooting for her. It's definitely good for her type of movie, which I've been seeing a lot of lately, which I just fucking love. But you just see this really powerful female character take control after a very traumatic event. And obviously seeing that scene always... fucks me up and i hate seeing scenes like that but at the same time you

are fully all in is like yeah fuck them up any way possible kill them like you're rooting for her the entire time and she has such a great complex character and great performance because in the very beginning she seems very like shy little bubbly she's overworked she's trying to make money she's trying to do the right thing she's going in stuff like with caution and you just see that flip towards the second half of the movie and you're just like damn this girl has range

And I don't think there's a lot of movies that talk about body manipulation the way this movie does. It's not like body horror. This is actually a real community that exists. I haven't seen that kind of subject be on screen, so it's really cool to learn about the culture, individuality, people trying to do stuff that makes them feel like themselves, and the power that that gives them, and the reason why they have to go behind closed doors to do so.

And it's just a really awesome concept for rewatchability. I don't know if I could rewatch it again because there's some like crazy moments in this. I'm just like, oh, you definitely got me like. fucked up where I want to walk in. That's totally fair. But...

Do I enjoy watching it? Absolutely. It was cool. It was a really fun watch for myself. And going in blind was the best way to do it, too, because I had no idea where it was going. I was like, oh, is this going to be like – This fucking title of this movie.

revenge flick it's everything it's everything genres which i'm like it feels like a drama parts it feels like a thriller it feels like a crime movie it's a detective movie like where's this movie going it goes everywhere it goes all over the place very unique for sure it is it definitely is and i don't think we have seen anything quite like this before i feel like we've had like things similar to it like for example like hellraiser

Sure. When it comes to like the Cenobites and things like that. And obviously you get a lot of like body modified individuals in.

certain horror films like blade and things like that like during like a party scene and it's just like they're there for shock value so like to have it be such a representative of that community is really fucking cool yeah i know a few people who are in the body mod community and they got some pretty intense stuff it was this person that worked at lush and she was so cool she had green hair and she had horns and her tongue was split and then her nose was like kind of caved up

and i'm like dude what the fuck that's that's really cool it's also awesome that lush is like they they are chill about it you know like i mean it's so interesting because you you feel like when you have people who are modding themselves i mean obviously the general public they're going to kind of side eye a little bit and probably be like okay what the fuck

But it's really cool that people have kind of made it a little bit more normal in some ways. I do think some people take it. It's just certain extremes. Like some people want to look like lizards and all this other stuff. And me personally, I think it's kind of cool. but it is definitely, it takes a certain person to, to be okay with modifying their body so intensely. But I mean, I love this movie.

This was probably my third or fourth time watching this movie. The first time I did watch it, I was in college. When I was in college, and I've mentioned this on the show before, but when I was in college, people used to dare me to watch extreme movies. That was just the thing. back in college like everybody would try to have they would find the craziest shit and try to have me watch it you know it's funny because that's literally what my whole

Tumblr was. That's why I watched all the weird shit that I watched. Everybody was like, well, you need to watch this. Yeah, and I'm 16, so I'm like, bet. And I'm watching everything. it was just the time it's what people were doing at the time seriously yeah i mean and there were so many movies that were out at that time that i feel like a lot of people were trying to

I don't know, showboat about, right? I mean, because around this time, we had Serbian film. We had, obviously, our version of our torture porn, which was hostile.

saw and so on and so so forth so people would like start with that and i'm just like bro this is child's play like you're you're you're hitting me with child's play this someone fucking showed me solo and i was like okay i could have done without 180 days of Sodom um but uh someone showed me that someone showed me a Serbian film Serbian film was the only film that I actually was just like you know what I get it I'm sure I can keep going but I get the fucking point yeah

But the movie that actually got me the most was Dumplings. That one got me the most. No. I have a visceral reaction to Dumplings. I actually have never seen the full-length movie. I've only seen three extremes. Oh, so you only saw the short. I only saw the short and the short is enough. When I tell you I can't even look at a dumpling, I've never eaten a dumpling in my life because of that movie and I never will. I have that much of a visceral reaction to that movie.

Oh, my fucking God. That's crazy. I've never seen it, never heard about it, and now I will never watch it. I was going to say, if you like dumplings, it'll ruin you forever. Yeah, you definitely will. Although I still do eat dumplings. It does pop into my head though. I've been like every single time I'm just like, Hmm.

And then I try to switch it to that episode of like Futurama when it's like they're eating the nuggets and they're like actual like little aliens or whatever. And I try to switch it to that. I'm just like, OK, that's fun. Right. That's funny. That's silly. but then you think about aborted fetuses. Don't think about aborted fetuses. So dumplings fucked me up, but that's obviously what we're talking about. We're talking about American Mary, the movie that has nothing to do with America.

except the student loan debt except the student loan debt exactly the fact that yeah that's very real her boyfriend or whatever the fuck he is her muscle wants her to come to LA with him yeah that that's Interesting enough, but I'm pretty sure they wanted to name this movie Bloody Mary, but I couldn't find anything that contells that, but. I heard that before as well. Yeah, I feel like they, I'm sure something happened.

To where they were just like, okay, we can't name this Bloody Mary. Yeah, but I feel like I remember reading like that's why her name is Mary. Right. It makes so much sense. They reference her as Bloody Mary in the mob community in the movie. Exactly. I'm curious about that. I'm definitely curious about that. But let's go ahead and jump into this because I am so excited to talk about this. We got a lot to talk about because...

This movie has some interesting layers to it. For sure. American Mary, directed by the Soska sisters, released August 27th, 2012. A road time of one hour and 43 minutes. No budget or box office found. pretty sure this was a straight to dvd uh rating of 61 on rotten tomatoes actually i think all of their movies were straight to like dvd or vod or something like that the last movie they made did come out last year

No one talked about it on paper. It sounds cool, but I haven't seen it. It's the festival of the dead. Nope. Never even heard of it. Yeah. It's like the, not the official, but the spiritual sequel to night of the living dead. so interesting yeah so uh it's about like ben's granddaughter so on paper sounds cool so but i don't know We went straight to the title card, which is very 2000s fashion. That was great. Right to the point. Just like, American Mary, this is what you're watching.

before calmly watching the suturing of a turkey by our protagonist, Mary. I'm going to be honest with you. This was one of the grossest parts to me in the whole movie. I think, I think it was just the sound, like the sound design in this moment was just so good. I was just like, yeah, just like consistently in my ears. I'm just like, and it was long. This was a long scene. Yeah, little title sequences. She definitely gave me Dexter Morgan vibes.

from the start yeah oh sure where i'm just like oh this is like a young dexter working learning her craft she wants to be a surgeon then becomes a serial killer so like all these thoughts are bumping into my head because i haven't seen this before so right off the ramp gaps I was like... Aesthetic, awesome. What I'm watching, disgusting. I'm in. Disgusting, but I'm weirdly intrigued. Disgusting, but I need to keep going. Cut to Mary accidentally interrupting her class with her alarm going.

off her professor dr grant is upset trying to one-up her by asking her a question she smokes his fucking ass so he rudely reminds her not to bring cell phones into his classroom and she's like that bitch She silences a phone from the student loan services after class. She apologizes and excuses that she was up all night. He finds it inexcusable and wants her to do better. All right.

I hate him already. Have you heard of empathy? Just come on, please. In the parking lot, Grant overhears her arguing on the phone about money issues and her service being cut off. He doesn't get involved despite eavesdropping while leaving the lot. Back at Mary's apartment, she puts all of her shit down before speaking with her nana in Hungarian.

Her Nana sounded so cute, even though I couldn't understand a word she was saying. No. No. No. She does sound cute. She was probably saying something horrific. She was like, I was watching this thing on TV last night. This man's torso was split in half. Oh, man, that's great. Come on.

So I love, okay, really quick before we kind of get into it, we already have a lot of pieces here that's in the first like 10 minutes of this movie. So we know that she's broke. She has a lot of student loan debt, but she's also a really, really great student. and she is passionate about her craft. She loves her Nana, as we do as well.

so but she also has a dick of a teacher professor grant yeah now professor grant has this very interesting perspective to him because he overhears her eavesdropping which makes the situation that comes later with Beatrice a little bit more interesting.

We'll see how that kind of works through all of the rest of this. But she explains why her phone was off and the money issues that she's currently having, not accepting any payments from her Nana. She puts Nana on speakerphone while searching for an odd job for private dancing for $1,000. the glove mary is searching for billy who who is also known as billy barker i think and i think it's supposed to be a reference for clive barker that makes sense

Yep. Yep. I can only assume that I have no idea, but it's just, it makes, it makes sense in my head. And of course, Clive Barkley being the fucking King that he is makes sense. They're sitting inside of a booth and he stands up. He's a fucking creep too, though, to me. I'm just like, dude, I don't know. Are you any better than Grant?

All the men in this movie are highly questionable. Some more than others. Fair. He stands up and brings her to the back for the interview, slapping the cheeks of another dancer, not the ones on the face either, folks, to leave the room. Mary hands him her resume. They don't need it, but he's curious about her surgeon background. She gets to the point of what her needs are. So he gets to the point of what his needs are. And he just was like, yo, take your clothes off.

She's like, okay. She takes off her jacket, allowing him to gawk at her body as he directs her on what to do for the interview. She gives Billy a massage as one of the bouncers, Lance, tells him that Black's not coming back. We could have chose a different name. Not a fun fact about Black, but we actually do get to meet Black. Yo, man, I didn't choose the name, all right? You're emphasizing it, though. I am, but...

It's because they emphasized it. Lance was like, yo, Blacks isn't coming back. It was just like, you could have just said Dr. Black. You could have just said a first name, then Black. Anything else, yeah. Not just Blacks. With the emphasis on the S there, even though it's an apostrophe S, but it doesn't feel like it. The blacks. Right? So I'm just saying.

I'm just saying. I didn't write this fucking movie. He tells Lance to give him a call, but we do see Black later, and I'll share where. But he has already called six times. billy angrily storms out and immediately comes back to ask about mary's surgeon skills he offers her five thousand dollars without asking any questions me I have no training as a surgeon and I'm like, fuck yeah, put me in coach. Throw me in there. We'll figure it out. Can't be that hard.

do I still get the 5k if I kill him? Like, you know what I'm saying? If he dies, what happens to me? What happens to my money after that? I just need to know specifics. That's the only question I want to ask. Quick tangent, because we're on the tangent, or we're talking about surgeons. I've been watching this show called The Pit, and it is an ER medical drama. And the first episode literally starts with the degloving.

Oh, I hate it. I hate it. Catch me every time. Thanks a lot, Mike Flanagan. Yeah, Mike Flanagan, love you to death. Fuck off for that. You're with me. If we want to be fair, I guess the de-gloving for Mike Flanagan is Stephen King's fault. Because the only time we get de-glovings is from Gerald's game and from Doctor Sleep. Yeah, but you want to do a cut to a close-up of it.

thank you that is fair that is fair we could probably also blame radio silence for a little bit of that too but yeah the pit it's a really cool show but it has some very very intense scenes. There's no fucking score. It's you're just in it. And the way the show works, it's literally the, uh, it starts on the beginning of their shift. That's the first episode. The second episode is the second hour of their shift.

and so on and so forth so each episode is an hour of their shift and every episode in real time it's in real time exactly and every episode is 60 minutes to the fucking second so it is it is so fucking good basically 24 er edition gotcha pretty much pretty much He takes her down into the basement, but she has questions. She's like, no questions. A man named Rat is panting and whimpering while bleeding out on a table inside another room. Billy confirms that he's...

already drugged up and she, and she can begin. She's like, he doesn't sound like he's fucking drugged up. She's a little shaken up and an extremely mutilated man, but jumps into action. shushing that he'll be fine as he continues to whimper once completed she grabs her cash and storms out of there without a word fuck me man dude was fucked up though yeah dude was fucked up

We never found out what happened to this guy. So I was reading a review about this movie and they were talking about this scene specifically. They were beating him up, and they beat him too badly that he was about to die. Oh, God, I got it. They were trying to get information off of him. Oh, hence the name He's a Rat. Gotcha. Okay, that makes sense. That's why every time I'm watching this, I'm like, who the fuck is named Rat?

I love this scene though, because like the way that she leaves and you can tell that she's like so disturbed. and that's going to continue. But then her character development eventually, it's two completely different people. Seriously. At this point of this movie, I'm just like, cool, I know where this story is going. She's just going to be the surgeon for the mob people at the strip club. I get it. Still wrong. Still wrong.

I really like what you said as well, Sydney, about her feeling like two different people. Cause I mean, if we, not to get all religious and shit, but if we, you know, if we think about like Mary, right, we have Virgin Mary and then Mary Magdalene, right? So we have her kind of shifting into.

these kind of two forms of people in a very interesting way where we have the innocent version of Mary in this first like half of the film and then as she kind of moves on she's starting to become more of like a Mary Magdalene in a way where she's not so innocent but at the same time she wants to hold on to her innocence So it's a really, really interesting thing. And I think Nana is probably kind of like our keystone into...

her innocence. Nana's like the main thing that's like keeping her afloat in terms of like... I wish it would have kind of leaned in a little bit more on Nana where it's just like, I'm doing this for Nana. But like at the same time, it gets to the point where it's just like Nana is her childhood. Nana is her innocence.

Yeah, it would have been a little bit more hard hitting if she was in financial trouble trying to do the best she can in school. But maybe her Nana is also going through medical stuff where she needs procedures or whatever. So she's gaining money for that too. I kind of feel like she is, but they never mention it. Yeah. Because it kind of strikes me like, do you really just want to pay off your student debts? That's all you want? And you're doing all this for that?

I don't believe it, but I can see it. Yeah. Yeah. Those loans get high. I think it starts like that. And then once that happens to her at the party, it's like. Oh, this isn't about money anymore. Oh yeah, this isn't about money, yeah. Yeah. A little bit of a revenge story. Yeah. Exactly.

Mary is gaining her composure back at her apartment as she begins to sob inside of her shower. Yo, bruh, same. Afterwards, she waits on her couch clutching a bat. Her phone rings for a woman requesting more of her services. She gets freaked out and hangs up, and her voice is like, really squeaky and high and it's just Is this Mary? It was perfect. That was spot on. Oh, fuck, dude. Was it me? Did I call her? Are you in this movie?

She gets freaked out and hangs up. But another call comes in from the same woman who I'm just going to go ahead and just let us know her name now, Beatrice, which they spell her name. very interesting for this movie it's literally b-e-a-t-r-e-s-s beat res yeah like beatress beatress like it's just like all right i've never seen beatress spelled that way yeah i guess they just make made sure that no one can call her beat rice there you go

But she introduces herself, but Mary assures her that she has the wrong number. Shout out to the Beatrice out there. Her phone is blowing up, this time from Frederick's Restaurant. Not our Frederick. No. But she answers, and they let her know that the mall locked them out and won't allow them inside because they are behind on rent. I assume this is where she worked, right? Yes. Okay.

yeah this was her uh very quick scene and now it puts a little bit more pressure on like now my only income is now gone yeah my only income is also having financial troubles so yeah right yeah tough times seriously seriously like she she definitely is in some shit but she got five grand right now so i'm like you know what

It could be worse. While trying to have a good cry while making dinner and drinking wine, her door buzzes. The same woman who called before tells her that she has a package. Mary confirms who she is and gives her apartment number. She unlocks the door. Doran takes off her bloody apron and gloves, not noticing the woman walking past her.

Beatrice reminds her that they spoke earlier, pleading for her to put the bat down. She explains that she found out where she lived from her resume, knowing that Mary can't possibly afford medical school. Beatrice offers $200 to allow herself to speak. tossing the money over to mary 14 surgeries allowed her to look like an uncanny cartoon character and she just to kind of explain what beatrice looks like she kind of looks like betty boop

Almost to the T. So if you can imagine Betty Boop as an actual woman, she looks kind of like that. Like her waist is more kind of pushed in and her figure is kind of like a coat. Coke bottle I guess is the best way you can put it but her hair is very short kind of like almost not as short as a pixie but kind of you know it's short so She wants to hire Mary for another girl that she met while traveling for her surgeries, offering her $10,000.

Even though Mary is intrigued, she refuses to do what she did last night for Billy ever again. But Beatrice explains that her nice friend wants some skin removed for cosmetic reasons. Just... A little bit of skin. Nothing too crazy. The way she just plays it down like that and then you find out what it actually is, you're like, bitch, what the fuck? A little bit of skin? Okay.

She's willing to allow Mary to use her niece's veterinarian office to operate out of. She chugs the wine, showing more resistance and excusing that she isn't properly insured. Beatrice doesn't care, offering her $2,000 just to show up. Son of a bitch. I'm in. Let's do it. Let's fucking go. Put me in. Fucking start with that. You know what I'm saying?

That's how Billy got me? There you go. For real. Later that night, Grant calls her because she missed class, reminding her about her promise not to fuck up. All right. I've never met a fucking college professor that caring, if you want to put it that way. I've never had a professor ever call me. No. Like, why are you calling me, you fucking weirdo? Red flag.

Never had a professor call me for missing class. I'm just like, yeah, they don't give a fuck. Like weirdo. Hate this man. Yeah. Like it almost made it seem like he was a family member or something. Yeah. the way he was acting towards her like in the beginning where it's just like like her uncle or something like mary told you you need to be on time and blah blah blah and yada yada yada when reality is just a miserable dickhead who fucking inappropriately touches people. Ugh.

Man, Mary tries to stick up for herself, but he's not messing around. She meets up with Beatrice and her niece Tessa at the vet's office. Mary is having second thoughts, but Beatrice convinces her with. That $12,000. She meets Beatrice's friend, Ruby Real Girl, that is in fact her name for this movie, in the other room. Ruby reveals that she wants to remove her breast and seal her vagina. Word.

All right. Quote, unquote, a little skin. A little skin. Just a little bit. Those are a little different modifications. Yeah. I do love what she talked about, though, how she's like, oh, why do Barbies never get sexualized? Because they don't have that stuff. So for me, I was just like, that's such a crazy, great thought. I also feel like that's not true, though.

Right. Like I feel like there's some sick. Yeah. Her thing was just like, I don't want to be sexualized anymore. I was like, good for you. You know, if this is what you really want. I fuck with it. Like, this is the first moment where I'm like, okay, this is a new theme in a movie I haven't seen before. Cool. Bring it on. Absolutely. But I was like, what are you doing? And the visuals, I'm like, fuck. You don't have to show it. Just show it after.

Yeah, I mean, it's not pleasant. There's a part where it drops on the ground. I'm like, what the fuck is that? And I look at it, I'm like, I know what that is. I don't want to know what that is, but fuck. Just a clean little... is very gross but also to kind of explain what ruby looks like as well ruby does look like a barbie but i I guess just one that has a lot of plastic surgery on the face, right? Like her lips are really done up. They're full. A lot of Botox in the forehead and so on.

Yeah, that's pretty much what she wants. She brings up the anatomy of dolls and them not being treated as sex objects and so on. And the main reason why is because they don't have all their parts. Thought that was also like what you said, Freddie. I definitely agree with that. But I also feel like at the same time, Barbies are still very sexualized. Yeah. But yeah. So. That's why we got Dr. Barbie. Mary excuses herself to interrupt Beatrice and Tessa from snoring Coke.

I love Beatrice. I think she's one of my favorite characters. Beatrice is funny, yeah. She's so funny. She looks kind of like a little mouse, too. Yes. Okay, bear with me here. This is exactly who Beatrice kind of looks like. You guys remember the movie Jumanji? The old one when we were kids. Remember when the boy turns into a monkey?

Kinda. Her face looks like his. Oh, wow. Yeah. Right? I could see it. I would say look it up just so you can understand. I was going to say, I'm going to have to go look at this because I suddenly can't remember anything. Yeah, because I want to say – I don't remember his name. Was it Peter? I think it was Peter, right? I think it was Peter. That sounds right. But yeah, she looks like Peter minus all of the hair.

Interesting. Yeah. Yeah. I would say, look it up. She reminds me of him. Oh, I could see what you mean. Cause like the little, like the nose and like, yeah, it's like in this area, like the nose area. Yeah. I could see that. There you go. Beatrice, the Jumanji kid.

There you go. Perfect. Nailed it. Mary excuses herself to interrupt Beatrice of Fernando Koch. She questions if Ruby actually wants this. Apparently, she has dedicated her entire life to this. That's good enough for Mary, and she gets back to operate. Mary delicately gets to work on marking all the areas that need removal before getting to it. Once complete, she hands over the bloody garments to Beatrice and quickly explains that Ruby will be extremely sore when she wakes.

And she's at risk of infection, so she needs to go to a hospital. Beatrice fully understands with a smile on her face. Mary demands not to share her contact information again. Beatrice agrees before asking what they should call her in the body mod community on Ruby's website. Mary doesn't give a shit what they call her as long as they don't involve her. When Mary gets home, she throws up before reciting what to say to a patient who just got out of surgery to Dr. Walsh. I thought this was great.

how it i mean not great that she threw up but like i thought it was great that like they kind of have this switch to her reciting what to say to a patient for like bedside manner and things like that and then it turns into her actually saying it to dr walsh so i thought that was really really well done. Agreed. By the way, she has the best bedside manner.

As we've come to see, she loves to leave her patients behind. Heartless. Heartless. He's pleased with her recital as another doctor comes in to share some news. He requests for Mary to break the news about their father having a heart attack. As Wash is explaining the importance of bedside manner, she tells the family what's going on. When she comes back, she nonchalantly shares that they were upset.

She was like, they were upset. Can't imagine why. Oh, no, great. And he's like, awesome. That's to be expected. So go ahead and tell him that he died. This is so fucked. Has the most uncomfortable gulp, and she goes back in there to share that fucking devastating, heart-wrenching news. Jesus H. Christ. And then just walks out.

it just walks away immediately and just that's what i mean by like heartless which like obviously like as a doctor i feel like you have to kind of act like that yeah not like that yeah it was a little much that's a that's a bit much yeah my heart For sure. This is probably, for me, this was the most horrifying scene of the whole movie. Weird, right? Out of everything that's in this fucking movie, this is the funny. I can understand that. I can definitely understand that. I feel like...

Not relatable, but like I've been in a situation where a doctor had to walk in and give us like really fucking bad news. Yeah. And it's like the complete opposite of what this was. And I'm just like being in that position, knowing what that family is going through. to have someone just do that yeah and not even like and to just like use them as like a practice experiment kind of like oh he had a heart attack it's like okay like knowing that he already died yeah

That's fucked up. Heartbreaks. That's fucked up. It's like, I wonder what that conversation went like when she went back in there. She's like, just like, oh, I forgot to mention he died. He died. Oh my God. It's just like, dude, what? Horrific. Absolutely heart wrench wrenching for sure. I think this is why this movie kind of reminds me of the pit a lot because.

Obviously, they're dealing with a lot of this stuff in the ER room. I forgot to mention that Fiona Dariff is in it as well. Ooh, love her. Yeah, she's great. Also, the redhead chick who's in mostly all of Mike Flanagan's shit. oh yeah she's in it too so yeah but they have they have these moments that are like this where there is a doctor who isn't heartless but he's just like

we need to keep going to the point. Yeah, exactly. But there's a moment where he does take an opportunity to slow down. And I agree with you, Freddie. And I mean, I'm sure we all can agree here. I would want a doctor to. When it comes to shit like that, give it to me gently. You know what I'm saying? Yeah.

Lay me down. Don't fucking leave the room immediately. No. If you're going to make me cry, you're going to watch me cry. At least pat my back, you fucking asshole. Just please, don't just leave me. her poor kids oh my god there were two kids there that's crazy

Fuck me. Walsh is impressed with Mary, you fucking dick, showcasing his excitement for her to perform surgeries after this. Outside, she's on the phone with her Nana to tell her about her residency with Walsh. She wants to call her Nana back.

when she notices Beatrice standing outside holding a box next to her. She's not pleased with Beatrice just showing up, even more disturbed by how she found her. She hands her a present from Ruby as a thank you, wanting Mary to check out Ruby's website. They look over at Grant, watching them while smoking a cigarette he waves and that's mary's cue to shoot beatrice away and this is where grant you can probably see where grant's like okay i know she's short on money and all of a sudden

this person comes up to her and I will admit Beatrice is just pretty risque right now. She's got a pretty short skirt on and so on, which almost doesn't really fit. her appearance like she feels like she would be more of like kind of like a rocker billy type with like kind of that 50s like pinup girl type of style yeah more betty boopy yeah exactly that's the perfect way to put it more betty

It's funny. If you Google image Beatrice Betty Boop, they have like side-by-side photos of her in the actual cartoon. It's pretty uncanon of how good she looks like Betty Boop, though. They did a great job. I'm telling you, they did a great job at it. With her look, yeah. There's even, I guess, a shot where she's wearing this red dress and there's the Betty Boop next to it wearing a red dress. I'm just like, this is the IRL version of Betty Boop. It's pretty small.

She has the big eyes, the super thin eyebrows as well. And the hairstyle. With the curls and all that stuff. Yeah. So, yeah. I forgot the actress's name, but she... Tristan Risk. Tristan Risk. Thank you. Yeah, she looks nothing like this. No, not at all. The amount of makeup they had to put on her is insane. No, I never knew it was her until I looked at the credits one day and I was like, holy shit. Yeah. Jesus Christ. Just skillfully crafted.

good for her but as we continue this she goes back inside the hospital and mary passes up grant and walsh but walsh stops her as grant walks away and he stops her with like an invite to grant's house for drinks i'm just like I don't know. You know what I'm saying? I don't know. It's going to be a no for me, dog. She's excited. She wants to join, but wants to ensure that Grant is okay with her being invited, and he lets her know that it was actually his idea.

She's like, all right, I'm good with that then if he's aware of me being there. Got some Mary ready at her apartment. She goes on Ruby's website and clicks on the link that takes her to abstract.me. a community board for extreme body mod community she clicks through the images of all of the different body mods slamming the lid shut from being disgusted and it was mainly because she saw prince albert if you don't know what a prince albert is just fucking look it up

Off to the party where maybe do one of those incognito browsers, though, if you look. Not on your work computer either. Maybe do an incognito browser. off to the party where an extremely touchy surgeon immediately greets her named dr black there you go there he is dr black everybody So that was the blacks together. Wow. Yeah. Oh, really? This is the only time he shows up. This is the only time he shows up. So this is the thing that he tends to do. So this is where.

Dr. Black is the, and yes, the same exact Dr. Black that they were looking for, for the rat. So this is him. He grabs her a drink, but he refuses to reveal his name. So he doesn't reveal his name until someone brings it up a little bit later. His electric demeanor is uncomfortable until Wash intercepts the conversation. You can tell motherfucker is high as shit. He is high as a fucking kite right now.

She relaxes a bit and shakes his hand. He compliments her dress before letting Grant know that she's there. Grant cheers with her and gives her some harsh advice about thinking for herself before asking about how her practice with turkeys is going. They move to the bar where Walsh refills. another drink for her before going behind the bar with the other men. Yeah, she finds him odd and Grant agrees that most microsurgeons are and that Walsh likes to paint people being eaten by animals.

Cool. So everyone just has their fucking sick kink right now, huh? Not kink shaming. Not kink shaming, but this one's weird. Yeah. It's a little odd. Oh my god. Yeah. She doesn't notice the men putting a woman. on the bar while another set of few film them. Yeah, they're not even trying to be secretive about it. not at all because she's already drinking right yeah so like right i mean she already has the drugs in her so it's just like whatever she sees so it's like it is what it is but

Her vision starts becoming blurry as the other men sexually assault the woman on the bar. She starts stumbling while Grant is talking and he ushers her back to a room where he throws her on the bed. He then proceeds to grab a camera before forcing himself on top of her and taking advantage of her. She tries her best to fight him off, but the drugs are too strong for her to gain control. This fucking prick proceeds to just rape her.

Fuck. She was still awake and everything. This is such a hard, hard moment. For sure. This is a shitty scene. jesus christ rape scenes in general are always so rough always awful always awful yeah but it's just so like raw and like yeah

The fact that you like focus on her face the whole time. Yes. And like you can see the fucking pain and like the awareness, you know, because like you said, like she's still aware, like she's still awake and she knows what's going on, but she can't do a fucking thing about it. No. Yeah. It was horrible. fucking aggressive too when her head was over the bedside i thought she was gonna get hurt like her neck i was like this is fucked up and you are not cutting

And I get the intention behind the scene because it has to be visceral for you to. Oh yeah. For us to understand. Like this is a tough watch. This is where I'm saying like. I love this movie, but at the same time, re-watching this, I don't see myself doing it. Yeah, re-watchability could be tough for sure. That is honestly applause for the filmmakers because, yeah, okay, you got the thing down.

showed me what you wanted to show yep and got the same impact that you wanted the audience to have that impact yeah it's fucking necessary for what's next but i hate that it was that yeah if if we didn't have this scene if it was just implied it wouldn't be as powerful of a switch exactly for sure yeah absolutely so this scene is so harsh and

You know, it's interesting when it comes to, like, rape in a film. This has always been a huge debate. Like, should it be in film and should it not be and so on and so forth? I think when female directors... take on this subject matter. It's so important in terms of seeing it from their perspective because most female directors will film from the face down. Yes.

Yeah. And that's what I was going to say. And that's why I think there's like such an emphasis of like, you don't see you in reality. I don't see a lot. Like you literally just like focus on her face and that's like, that's it. And you know what's happening, but I think that's such a. great point is that like female directors do it in a more like tasteful manner whereas like sometimes you watch rape scenes and you're like who is this for like exactly like like

Like the movie Irreversible, right? Yeah. You know, if you have like a Going Asper film such as Irreversible, that scene is like seven minutes long. Yeah. And it's shot like a porn. like is it so like it's it's it's just where are we going like like what like why do why why why it's it's just interesting but like you know even like in revenge like curly farge like her her scene in that film where she's up against a glass you still are seeing it from her facial expression and just the sheer right

violence and pain that's being caused to her so it's very telling and i personally i think it's way more important for a female director to include this subject matter in their films versus a male director yeah although i i do think like Also, too, I feel like a lot of directors don't focus on like male rape that often as well, which is interesting, like Midsommar for perfect example, right? Midsommar having that scene with Christian.

you know in that in the scene where all the women are kind of forcing him to have sex with this this woman and he's drugged and all this this and that the reason why that's so uncomfortable is because that is a male rape scene but a lot of people couldn't really understand why they felt so uncomfortable from that scene yeah a lot of people will laugh at it and things like that but at the same time she's like you're it you're

watching a guy get raped like yeah it goes to show that it's possible so i i think um oh my god my my cat's like biting my cables don't do that oh my god don't do that anyway that's enough talking about that the following morning Mary wakes up next to Grant in his bed, silently crying as she leaves his apartment. Jesus Christ. If she would have chopped his dick off right there, I would have been fine with that.

She comes up with the idea to hire Billy. Mary gets ready for the night, ignoring the knocks and bangs and the crying man inside the room. Billy delivers Grant to her, wanting her to give him a call when she's done. This was so fucking badass, though. I love it, and I love that it happened so fast. Me too. Drop that. It's like, yeah, fuck this fucking guy. She plans to take her time with this motherfucker turning on some smooth jazz before going to her operating table, which is her coffee table.

that she pushed all of her little knickknacks and magazines off of earlier. He duct taped to the living room, his mouth forced open with some type of apparatus. I don't know. I'm not in the medical field. He's sobbing like a bitch. Mary explains that she quit medical school today. She knows the reason for her invitation to his party. Did you guys see my cat jump? Yeah. Okay. She likes to go on top of my other desk when it's high. So yeah.

As she likes to look down at me, she's like, you fucking peasant. I will get your cables. Exactly. One way or another. She knows the reason for her invitation to his party was because he thought she was a sex worker.

novocaine into his jaw to explain that she's getting into body modification now she plans to practice her new profession by splitting his tongue giving him 3d implants genital modification and oh of course a voluntary amputation because it was voluntary for him to put his fucking dick inside of her he cries and screams but the pain is so fucking delicious in this moment

i love that she like explains to him what's gonna happen too because like that the fear it's like hard candy yes exactly like you're explaining the whole procedure of what's gonna happen like i can't imagine anything more fucking terrifying and this man absolutely deserves it and i fucking love it 100 i agree just the shot of him like

the overhead shot of him with the mouth gauged open, just looking at his eyes, just hearing it all. I was like, fuck yeah. Definitely good for her. And then one of those things where she nonchalantly says, this should take about 14 hours. like you gave him a time limit and it's a fucking long one let's go it's like good for her and i love that she uses the same phrase that he used on her it's like surgeons don't make mistakes she's like you're a great test subject

As you said, surgeons don't make mistakes. I love that. She's trying to perfect her craft while giving her revenge. Yeah, that's cool. So great. I love her. Dude, this is... such a fantastic shift for her in this moment where you're just like yes go the fuck off like like demolish this man and make him feel every fucking ounce of it this is great i i love this so much

I love the, the tongue splitting part that, or the fact that she mentions the tons, the tongue splitting part as she's giving him the note again. Cause obviously she's going to start with that first, but it kind of showcases the fact that like, Oh, he is. One, he obviously can't talk, so he's tongue twisted. And he also has this demeanor of being this shrill talker. And now you can't talk so shrilly anymore because of the fact that your tongue is split.

So I love the metaphor behind her doing all of this because everything obviously has some type of implication to it. Because of this movie, I learned that your tongue has multiple muscles in it. It's the strongest muscle in your body. It is the strongest muscle in your body. That's one of those random facts that I learned when I was like six and I've just like never forgotten it. It's so interesting. It's so strange.

One other thing that I learned is the fact that your brain is what obviously controls your whole body, but your right side of your brain controls the left side of your tongue. The left side of your brain controls the right side.

So that's why if someone were to split their tongue, they're able to move them separately. So weird. It's so weird. It's so fucking weird. And that's why people can do like the clovers with their tongue and all this other stuff and hold their tongue and all this stuff. But yeah. Super fascinating. Cut to Mary in her home office, seeing some clients about her work. One in particular is in awe about the genital modification. Oh, I want one of those.

thinking that person must have been hardcore. She sarcastically agrees that he was, because it's Grant. She slaps down a menu, wanting to know what he's looking for. He wants just some regular piercings and a tribal scarring. She's like... Get the fuck out of here with that weak shit. Get out of my life. She's like, come back when you grow a goddamn pear. I love that. She shouts for Lance and he grabs the kid so she can take the rest of the day off.

While Mary is waiting outside, she's visited by Detective Dohler, who's investigating the disappearance of Grant. She plays it off as if he cares, but claims that she hasn't seen him since med school. He reveals her name was on the list that was given. to him by Walsh. He wonders why she would be on that list, she admits that he was a tough instructor, and some could believe that he was picking on her.

He hands her his card if she thinks of anything else before Lance comes up to ask if they could go get some titties and shrimp. Lance is hilarious. Cut to Billy at the club watching and celebrating one of his dancers while nobody else gives a shit. Just like his club is dead. No one cares. Yeah, it was always pretty empty. Yeah. He needed that little side business. Mary just brought in the money for him.

It's Beatrice's turn, but all he can imagine is being up there is a Mary on stage until the real Mary shows up. He breaks out of his fantasy thinking that she's there for him, but she's actually there for Beatrice. She wonders if he has a job for her. But he doesn't because he doesn't torture people like he used to anymore. What changed? It's only been like, what, a month?

She knows that people still make her mad, and he wonders if someone is bothering her. She shares that Dohler came to talk to her about Grant, but he doesn't know anything. She gives out the info about Walsh, and that piques Billy's interest to take care of... take care of it for her but she's good she's like bro i can take care of myself now like i fucking modify people's bodies I got this. I'm fine. Thanks. I'm officially better than you, Billy. And scarier.

and scarier exactly oh without a doubt they kind of like flipped roles in a way he became less scary oh yeah more like timid where she kind of flipped yeah at first like he was like billy the butcher and then She came in and like completely took that title as Bloody Mary. So fantastic. Mary checks on Beatrice so they can grab some coffee. Beatrice has something to show her back at Ruby's place. She's out of town for a while, but she's wanted she wanted to give something.

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dancer was so into it. And then all of a sudden you kind of hear that squelching noise and it's just like, Oh shit, you're biting her tongue. Great. She then tosses her only $100 before going back into Billy's office. That was awesome. Oh, my God. That was great. So they have an interesting relationship, the Soska sisters. They very much, I feel like during this timeframe, played on the aspects of like, quote unquote, twins are hot. Yeah.

Yeah, the whole fantasy behind seeing twin sisters getting with each other, I guess. So this was interesting. Definitely, I think this made me feel a little bit more uncomfortable than some of the other scenes where I'm just like, stop. touching each other. You added this to the script. You guys wrote this together. Stop it. Stop touching each other.

like there's that one fucking edge lord on listen to this podcast right now it's just like fucking soft like no i'm good off the incest shit brother right don't call him brother because like, yeah, tell me more. Now we're talking. But yeah, I definitely made me feel a little uncomfortable. And I think it's just more so the fact that like. you know they're actual twins and they're actual sisters so it's just like okay this is this is definitely a little bit more weird

But anyway, they sit across from Mary and expose that she's a bit of a celebrity in their community, giving her the nickname Bloody Mary. They guarantee that her confidentiality is safe with them, but they recommend that she gets a website. After chugging their drinks, the twins wonder if she feels...

connected to anyone or herself mary doesn't um doesn't with anyone else but she does with herself which was interesting i thought she was gonna say nana you know like i feel like this would have been a better moment for her to bring up her grandma a little bit more Because when that moment happens with Nana, I don't know about y'all, but I felt nothing. Yeah. That's fair. Yeah. I think I felt a little. You had a little tear? No.

Yeah, it's like, oh shit, it sucks. Yeah, exactly. I feel like if they would just... Let in with Nana a little bit more. And they had time. This movie is an hour and 47 minutes. So they had time to fill up more space with Nana lore. But no Nana lore here. We just know she talks to her every so often. And she's Hungarian. That's it. That's all we know.

They cut to the chase about swapping their left arms. That's not all. They also want another procedure that they can't put into words, handing Mary a drawing of what they want. Mary agrees, setting a date for this Friday. When they leave the club, she meets with...

ability to show him what she needs to create. She thanks him for allowing her to use his club before asking for help. She needs another surgeon who can work simultaneously with her. He knows someone who owes him a favor and that's good enough for Mary. This should have been Dr. Black. That, yeah. Yeah, totally. It should have been Dr. Black. Because that would have been like a full circle moment. Yeah, right.

So I feel like this was definitely a moment where I'm just like, damn, missed opportunity. Opportunity missed. Yeah, for sure. Oh, God. Because this would have definitely like prolonged our revenge. seeking yeah yeah right right i just go after them all girl like there's a lot of people in there there's a lot of people in there that did that Let him do the surgery first and then we're going to fuck him.

Then I'll give you a surgery. Yeah. Happy surgery day! Mary and the German surgeon get straight into it, granting the twins exactly what they want. Meanwhile, Billy is beating Walsh's ass while tossing him into the basement. Mary pays a visit to... the strung up Dr. Grant at an abandoned facility.

By the way, this is all three different timelines. I swear to God, I'm not jumping around like this. The movie literally edits like this. So I'm sorry if this sounds confusing as fuck. It literally goes from surgery to Billy beating up somebody. And then Mary going to visit Dr. Grant. I fucking shit you not. That's like three minutes. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

He has hooks holding him up as he mumbles toward her. And I feel like I need to clarify, like, it's not like hooks, like Texas Chainsaw Massacre meet hooks. It's like hooks, like if you were to go to like one of those Cirque du Soleil shows where they have like. someone pinched up with hooks and their skins being pulled it's that yeah yeah

This was straight from Hellraiser, essentially. Does he not have legs at this point, too? No legs, no arms. Okay, right. He's got no limbs at this point, too. Yeah, he's like a stubby stick man. He used to have a leg up on the competition. Not anymore. Here we go. Fucking hell. Knew there had to be at least one. There were technically two in there. I just ignored the first one. Because he said disarmed.

I was like, we're going to ignore it. We're going to ignore it. I was really hooked. All right. I'm done. It only took him an hour, folks. She laughs about not being able to. hear him by reminding him that his mouth is sewn shut, which beautiful reminder.

That was great. She takes some pictures of him for her website. While she's sharing how well her craft is shaping up, he sobs and whimpers as she grabs some surgical scissors to decide what to modify on him next. Scanning his body and deciding that his ear should be the thing that goes. She's struck in the face by a security guard. Why would you just take this man to a prop? Why would you just like manifested? Like he just like teleported there. Yeah.

He's like, this is not where I parked my car. Bro, the way he fucking decks her to is crazy. That was personal. I'm like, bruh. What kind of rage do you have, my guy? He hit her so hard, I thought it was Walsh. He's just a random guy. Yeah, he was just a random security guard. But that was just so fascinating, the way his man just came in. I am also curious, too.

How is she feeding him, Grant? I guess through tubes, maybe? Because she's sewing his mouth shut. So it has to be through tubes. Probably. Maybe. Maybe there's some tubular modification that allows that to happen. I don't know. Wouldn't doubt it. Another practice. Another practice. He tries his best to get Grant down, and he's fucking freaked out. He's like, oh shit! Oh shit! Oh shit! Yeah, I mean, after walking into that scene...

I wouldn't have walked into it. I would have seen it and I'd be like, this has nothing to do with me. Honestly, if I would have decked her and saw what was happening, I would have run and be like, bro. I'm not staying here. I'm leaving. I'm a security guard. It seems you're already fucked. There's not much I can do to help you, so I'm going to head out.

I don't know how to safely bring you down from here. So I'm going to leave my guy. I'm out. Yeah. Like what, you know, like what I do, do I just pull you down and let those hooks just fucking snap off? I don't know. I'm like, what happens?

He tries his best to get Grant down, telling him that he's going to call the cops once he does. Grant's like, call the cops first. Mary doesn't allow that shit to happen, though. She stabs him in the leg and proceeds to beat the living shit out of him with his own flashlight. Grant tries his best to crawl away and scream. He gets some distance. He does, actually. He gets kind of far. For being a stump, pretty much. Yeah, he does pretty well. Oh my god.

But, alas, she catches up to him and tases him in the neck.

Back with Billy beating the shit out of Walsh with a bag over his head. He pauses from the beatdown to answer his phone. He calls Lance to give Mary a call since he's Mr. Call. Cut to Ruby being delivered flowers and a necklace by her husband. He's shocked when she reveals... her body to him okay so this was interesting because like we see all of the pictures earlier in the movie where beatrice mentions that like oh no she has multiple boyfriends this is her husband or whatever so this was

really intriguing to me based off of what Ruby said of her not wanting to be sexualized. However, she has multiple boyfriends and a husband. So it was really interesting as in the terms of like, no, I still want to be with someone, but I want someone to literally see me from just the outer shell, not really trying to focus on, I guess, trying to physically get with me.

Right. Maybe she just wants to be loved for her and that's it. How does she go pee? You know, I was, I was thinking that as well this whole time. Like how does she pee? Like they, how do you pee? How do you pee? A lot of bodily functions that we don't have answers to. How do you have your period? How do you have your period? How are you still – you're going to get an infection.

Oh, for sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, my God. What is it called if you don't change your tampons or shock something? Oh, toxic shock syndrome? Toxic shock syndrome, yeah. She will definitely get that. She's going to get something. For real. it is so nice to have a woman on this podcast. Meanwhile, like both Freddie and I'd be like, I have no idea what you mean. Shock.

Women get shocked if they don't clean their people. What the fuck? Happy to be here. We're happy to have you. Fun fact about Nightlight Horror Movie Podcast. We have had terrible comments about us having... women on the show before um and we always have shut that down where it's just like shut the up you know what because of that we we had a moment where we only had women podcasters

And that would be really doubled down. Yeah. But our main demographic is before you even showed up, Sydney, was 60% women. Yeah. For our show. So it's just like, come on. Which, fun fact as well. Since you have joined the show, it has boosted up to 77%. we love y'all we love you ladies this is not a man's man's podcast and if you thought it was fucking get the fuck out of here you're gonna end up like grant

Sorry, for legal purposes, that's a joke. I'm just kidding. For legal purposes. I'm just kidding. Meanwhile. Am I? No, I'm kidding. She shows up, there's fucking lightning. There's like hooks hanging up in my room right now. Ready to go. A fucking limit conflagration just starts turning. And it's time. It's time. Meanwhile, Mary meets up with Lance at the club.

her some food but she doesn't respond he restores her confidence in herself when he shares a story about his mom being beaten almost to death by a burglar I always have trouble with that word. He wishes he had known her back then when he finally caught him. He wants her to make these deserving pricks pay. Lance was like the only cool dude in this whole movie. Yeah, Lance was cool. Lance knew what was up.

This was a really cool conversation to kind of like slow down the plot a little bit and just like, just take it in and just see what she's doing. What she's doing is warranted in their eyes and the revenge makes sense. I'm just like. damn, this is a deep conversation. It's like, oh, by the way, I got you a chocolate milkshake. I know you're not vanilla. I was like, okay, this is sick. He's like, yeah, you look like a vanilla kind of gal. Yeah. But it also, it takes a lot in this moment for...

I feel like Mary to open up and feel this confliction, right? Like she needed, she needed someone to be there and be like, what you're doing is absolutely right. definitely just don't second guess yourself yeah yeah don't second guess yourself fucking these motherfuckers deserve it so yeah Back at her apartment, she checks on the twins before discharging them and bagging up her money while moving to a new spot.

Ambra, she was paid. When I mean she was paid, she was paid. In Mary's new spot, she's taking pictures of her patients while also marketing her line of work. One of them that she's taking pictures of wants another procedure to modify his penis. Minus, he's bummed about the no sex whatsoever part, but continues to gawk at Mary as she answers a call from Doller. And she's like trying to rush him out at this point. She's like, enough of you.

Like, bruh, I get it. Yes, you're attracted to me. Everyone is. I'm fucking Catherine Elizabeth. I'm hot as fuck. Get the fuck out. Get out. Yeah, we don't need to hear. She allows him to come up to speak with her, so she rushes the penis guy out as soon as possible. She rushes to close everything up for her chat with Doller. He compliments Mary's new place while looking around at everything. She offers him some water while asking about Grant.

They haven't found him, adding that Walsh is now missing as well. She wonders if he had anything to do with the disappearance of, if she had any, excuse me, let me repeat that. She wonders if he had anything to do with the disappearance of Grant. He explains that they had a sick partnership with one another where they would rape and record drugged women.

She claims not to have known about this, but he begs to differ. She pours something into his drink before handing it to him, questioning if she was on the tape. Because they didn't find it because Billy had it. Yeah. And Billy's furious. He's like. And he doesn't seem like he's upset that she's being raped. Marshall seems like he's upset that it wasn't him. It almost feels kind of weird. I took it where he felt upset that it was her.

Yeah, I think he became very protective over her. Sure, sure, sure, sure. And that's why, because I think with the whole Walsh situation, My impression, I don't think she got him to do that. I think he did that like of his own accord. Right. Right. Yeah. He did that because, yeah. I think he wants her to be his girlfriend or whatever, love interest. Yeah. Like he definitely loves her. Which they never really have any like foreground or any like.

background into that he just starts liking her after they do the business work together yeah there's no really established relationship of them having a cute moment or like flirting at all it's just like right i just love you now i think it's a fact that yeah i think it's the fact that like mary never started off by doing billy any favors like that like how the other women in his club have been yeah so mary was like different initially yeah like she wasn't impressed

Yeah, where this is a type of guy where he probably goes around, I could get any woman I want, but not married. Not married. I feel like that's one of the things that he's probably... sitting on so that that makes a lot of sense y'all have convinced me doler answers uh that she wasn't on the tape but he does believe that she was at one of those parties he believes that she's a victim in all of this and wants to help her she stops him from drinking the water giving Wow. Yep.

This is a very quickly confirmed with an extremely somber three second moment of her deleting Nana's contact information. Bye. Why did you do that? No dead people in my phone. Yeah, right? It was so weird. No, I agree. No dead people allowed. I don't think it's a lack of empathy. I think it's just a closure thing. I think it's just more.

So this is how I find closure. I feel like it's more of a defense mechanism, if anything. Sure. Okay. I think it's her idea of letting go of ties to her old past and being her true self now and being her true identity. It was just odd, dude. This was such an odd choice. I would have loved it to just be her maybe listening to Nana's voicemails or something. Sure, yeah. Or go the cuckoo route.

Right. Where she's like calling just to hear like the voicemail itself or something. I don't know. I can't do that. But yeah. I definitely for sure have, this is dark, a few people on my phone list where they're no longer here and I don't plan on deleting them at any point. I don't know what that means.

mentally but it's like why delete it i don't know that's just weird to me i still have my mom's contact she's she's been dead for two years um i still have my cousin's contact and he's been dead for close to uh almost 10 years now so you know it's uh it that's something that i'm just like yeah i can't let that just go you know like i can't let that go

Well, that's all done for them. Time to head to the club to see what Billy Deans. He's a little busy getting some head at the moment, though. You know what I'm saying? But he is that shit real quick when he sees Mary. He's like, it almost felt like was one of those situations where he just like hits the woman in the back of the head like stop it you fell on me

Hi, Mary. It's not what it looks like. This is not what it seems like. She's like, bro, I do not care. She asks about Wall. She claims that his intentions were good. This was funny because like Mary was just like, I would literally talk to you while you're, I don't give a fuck, bro. Like, I don't see you like that. I know she does. That's the thing. Like she doesn't want, she's in this position where I feel like she doesn't want to, but she's just like, yeah.

Because after what we see obviously happens later. What she really wants to know is if he found the tape. He lies that he didn't, but she knows that he's lying. They catch the bartender literally stealing right in front of them. She asks if he would like for her to take care of that because she just wants to blow off some fucking steam at this point.

He tells her no and that they are going to scare him, but she's persistent. The Hail Mary comes strutting down into the bathroom where Mary excuses herself to powder her nose. Quote unquote. When Mary enters the restroom, all of the women get the fuck out of there except for the one who was given the fellatio. She goes into the stall to use the bathroom while Mary pulls out a bone saw. I would have shit my pants, bro. Yeah.

Why she didn't leave? I was like, girl, you have time. She's taking out her accessories. Yeah, I would have been like, you know what? Pop out, run out. Don't gotta wash my hands today. I need to be anywhere but here. Yeah, I would rather get bacteria. I would rather get bacteria. Thank you. She puts on her apron and gloves as the woman watches from inside the stall. Yep. Would have left.

After she pulls out all of her medical instruments she approaches the stall and grabs the woman. She scares the fucking shit out of her stopping when she notices the camera inside the bathroom. Mary meets up with the woman outside to let her know that that it isn't entirely personal. Quote, wrong place, wrong time, with the wrong dick in your mouth. I love that quote. I love that moment.

it's uh it's so great because it they have this kind of almost a forbidden love with one another where they're like they don't want to admit that they just want a bone yeah it's just like guys I'm sure if one of you just break the ice, we wouldn't be in this situation right now. Nobody's going to judge you. You guys already do a bunch of illegal shit. Who cares? Yeah, we're good. I think this is my favorite scene in the whole movie.

because there's two reasons she did it, right? Obviously, there's like the jealousy reason behind it. But it's also because she did it somewhere where she was on camera. so that he could see because the way that they just had the whole thing with the bartender like oh you want me to scare him and he's like

Or you want me to take care of it? No, we're going to scare him. It's like, oh, you think you're scarier than me? Watch what the fuck I can do. She's terrifying in the scene. She's terrifying. And that's why I love it. like knives and shit. It's like a mind game because she doesn't, I don't think she has any intention of actually hurting this girl. No, it's just all in your head. Like I'm going to scare the shit out of you. I love that. I love that scene. Yeah, I agree.

Also, camera in the bathroom? Questionable. This whole place is incredibly questionable. Cut to Billy watching Mary's interview on camera that he had recorded. He imagines Mary there kissing all up on him. She is like, and then she's like, nah, bruh, stabbing to the stomach. He wakes up from the nightmare.

heads to the bar for a drink i feel like this right here is a nice little nod to the shining um the bar at the bar scene here because the way that it's filmed it's filmed almost very similar to how the shining angle yeah yeah

I can see that. The real Mary sits next to him at the bar. He pours her a drink. She asks him a couple of questions regarding her sanity and him being afraid of her. He says no to both before revealing that Beatrice quit and stopped answering his phone calls. He changes the subject to them both going to...

la explaining how they would drive down to la in a matter of two to three days this made me realize i'm just like where the fuck are they where yeah where are you guys it's ever explained yeah no it isn't i don't think two to three days that's a long time Jesus Christ. He invites her to come with him, but she's like, if you would have said.

Let's fly to LA. I might have considered it. I don't want to drive there. No, that's a long time. You invite her to come with him. But she'll think about it before saying her final goodbye to Billy. Back at her place, she ignores a phone call. As she heads inside her apartment, another phone call from Beatrice gasping and whimpering. He beat the shit out of Beatrice to get the info on who modified his wife. Well, shit. We know now that she's caught. with this fucking weird husband, man.

who then appears and stabs Mary in the stomach. But she gains the upper hand by jumping on his back and biting a chunk out of his neck. She spits it out as she crawls to the operating room to... Fun fact, my wedding song, which is Abba Maria. I know, yeah, yeah. It was so funny. I was like, I called my wife because she was in the other room while I was watching this. I was like, Lovey, they're playing our wedding song.

She's like, I know, right? She's fighting for her life. She's like, thanks for ruining it for me. Great. She tosses her medical instruments on the floor so she can try to stitch herself up. The cops and Duller arrive, finding Ruby's husband dead on the floor and Mary's body modification book with Grant's bitch ass all up in that shit. Bitch ass, Grant. Fuck you, Grant. Fuck you, Grant.

not hugh grant though mary however is also dead on the floor inside of her operating room then credits i hate the fucking ending on this movie i hate the ending it's so sad it's like Weirdly beautiful though, as like Ave Maria is playing and she's like struggling to stitch herself up. Yeah. Like so desperately, like, like trying to cling on to her life. Yeah. It's horrific. Horrific.

It felt rushed a little bit. It did. At the ending, it all happens very quickly. I'm at her apartment. She gets a call. She's already getting stabbed. I was like, yeah. I want to refight. I want to know what happened with Ruby. What happened with Ruby? Whatever happened with Grant? Yeah. There's some things that are just so...

Not revealed. So many questions. So many questions. So many questions that we don't have any answers to. We'll probably never will, but that's okay because this movie still fucking rules. I still think it's a fucking banger. This is a banger.

My poor, poor Mary. She deserved better, even though she turned into a bit of a psychopath towards the end. Indubitably. Indubitably. Yeah, this shit was driving her nuts. Shit was driving her nuts. Well, and that's why I like how drastic of a comparison it is.

is from like that first time where she walks out all traumatized and she's like sitting home absolutely fucking petrified and then she just does not give a fuck like she's about to kill the detective who's fucking asking her questions because he's annoying her yeah so desensitized from it all and that's that's fucking wild

It's crazy. I love that you added this movie to the list for this month because I feel like we wouldn't have covered it. Yeah. And I don't think I would have seen this movie on my own, to be honest. That makes me happy. This is one of my favorite things when people watch this movie and like it. Yeah, no, it's definitely, you get so much out of it. Yeah. There's so much in this movie. There's so many different turns it takes. Like I said, it blends different genres really well too.

it's just a fun character to follow because you never know it's like you don't have you seen like those things i was like you'll never guess what's next and you don't and with this movie it definitely feels that way i was like i was going in blind not knowing a thing There was like four plot points I thought it was going to go. None of it came true. And there was a lot more than that too.

And it just kind of like opened my eyes. I'm like, oh, there's a real big community out there who do body modifications who probably don't get represented that much in films as well. And this movie does it really well. And it's just like, hey, as long as people. are not hurting themselves or each other and they want to do different things to make themselves feel themselves, fucking go for it. Absolutely. So this is a great movie in that regard as well.

I agree. I agree. This is a fantastic movie. It's very, very, very well done. Obviously, great pick, honestly. Just great fucking pick. Great way to end a month, for sure. Thanks, guys. Yeah. It's a banger. We got a couple of movie facts up in here that are actually really fucking interesting. Movie facts? Catherine Isabel actually learned how to suture a turkey for this role. So that's awesome. Dedication for sure. She also went to medical school to research this role as well. That's awesome.

Actors are so cool to me when they do shit like this. I'm like, damn. I love when they do stuff like that. It's really, really cool. It's so cool. Tristan Risk patterned her voice after Ellen Green, who played more specifically in Next Stop Greenwich Village, Lenny Baker, Little Shop of Horrors. Her voice is very high as well.

She does a lot of musicals and stuff like that from what I remember. The film itself was shot in 15 days and there was no visual effects or CGI used at any point. All of the special effects that we do see in this film are done entirely practically. 15 days? I love a practical effects movie.

with practical effects that's fucking impressive that is super impressive that's the amount of locations and body modifications that they go through and all the yeah no there's so many different elements in this movie where i'm just like 15 days is insane yeah I think that's probably a lot of the reason as to why they didn't show her doing a lot of the

actual procedures themselves that's fair which i do have to attest that this movie although it's graphic and was never really too gross it was a perfect balance too i agree and i feel like it's one of those where like your mind fills in the blank

kind of like the Texas Chainsaw meat hook, right? Like you never see that go in. Like you never see the hooks go into Grant. You never see like really anything happen to Grant, but you just see the aftermath and it kind of makes you like- That was enough. Fill it in. And that's more than enough. I think that's even more effective than if we actually saw it. I agree. Definitely agree.

Another one that we do have here is really interesting is that Ave Maria is not only played at the end of the film, it's actually played in the background of many scenes through the film. And it's mainly played when Mary is having the type of realization. Because Ave Maria translates to Hail Mary. Holy Mary, yeah.

So fucking shit, dude. That's so cool that they did all of this. On June 18th, 2020, Jen Soska and Sylvia Soska said in a response to a comment on Twitter that American Mary is basically legally blonde. When you think about it, that makes so much fucking sense when she's trying to be the lawyer and she's like trying to, like, okay. It's a different career path. I can see the comparison.

Much darker. Yeah, I can see the comparison. I mean, hey, Osgood Perkins is in it. Fuck it. Though called American Mary. The movie is supposed to be set in Seattle, Washington. However, the entire film was actually shot in Canada. No shit. The only American actor in the entire cast is John Emmett Tracy as detector dollar. Really?

Didn't he have an accent? Did he? I don't remember. I don't remember either. I don't remember either. Nelson Wong as Dr. Black is Chinese and everyone else is cast as Canadian. So there you are. No, this is funny. Nelson Wong shot all of his scenes in a single day. I wonder why. Probably because there's only one scene. Literally like a second and a half. The Soska sisters were writing the script for the film as they were trying to sell their directorial debut film.

dead hooker in a trunk mary's experiences in the film with shady people with hidden agendas are based on the soska's own experiences dealing with sleazy people in the film industry this is Very interesting because the Social Sisters do have a very interesting history when they were actually casted in certain films. They were casted a lot as the hot twins. And they were...

kind of forced to do certain things with each other on film. So that is pretty interesting that this kind of came from all of that. Yeah. When beating the guard to death, Mary hits him 27 times. Jesus Christ. I love what they counted in and put in the fun facts. They're like, one, two, three, four, five. There's a break. Six, seven, eight.

Bloody Mary was considered at one point for a title, but was quickly dropped as to avoid any confusion with numerous other horror films with the same or similar title. That makes sense. I get it. I get it. So it would have been cool. One last thing that we'll go ahead and conclude this with as well. Mary at numerous points in the film is visually depicted wearing black surgical gloves and a black apron, a white dress shirt and holding a large syringe. We all know what this should probably be.

in consideration too but this is meant to visually evoke the ihishini uh in the film of audition often cited by film historians as the first torture porn horror film long before the subgenre actually became popular yeah is that really first considered the first torture porn horror film? Audition? I doubt it. Maybe the first mainstream one. That makes sense because I feel like...

Because what, there's that one film where it's like a documentary that they're following a serial killer. And it's like from the 70s. Henry Portrait of a Serial Killer? No, not Henry. I want to say it's like Man Bites Dog. So like it's where they're following him, but he's like literally killing people nonchalantly on camera. Like the whole, the whole time they're filming him. Perfect. Yeah. So anyway, good times. Good times.

We definitely want to go ahead and keep this conversation going and we can do so by heading over to our discord. You can reach out to us in there and continue this conversation because this movie is fucking fantastic. It's so much fun to talk about and it's wild. unique so definitely keep that conversation going because we would love to keep that going but next month we are not covering any films fucking shocker I know I know instead

What we'll be doing is something we've never done before, but this was done by a friend of ours podcast. And we actually used to be the producers of this podcast called Final Girl Standing. But initially what we'll be doing is we'll be taking a category of six final girls and putting them head to head with one another. And you will also be able to play along as well.

So no worries. Totally fine. But as we are doing this process, we are going to be doing this in to see who is the ultimate final girl. We're going to... Battle them together by putting Sidney Prescott versus Sam Carpenter to start. Laurie Strode versus Jess Bradford. Grace Laidamas versus Aaron. And then...

Finally, we will get to the point of where three of them will be fighting to be crowned the ultimate final girl. I am so very excited for this. This is something we've never done before. We're going to be doing this in... Kind of like RPG style where we'll have our two fighters as they're going on.

We'll re-explain the rules the day of, but as they're going on, we're going to roll some dice. I actually just bought some D&D dice that is going to help me throughout this process as that will choose our skill sets for them. It'll choose our location where they'll be. fighting it will choose if they if there's any types of i guess environmental things that may cause some some strain and we might also be able to choose their attributes as well because i feel like as time went on

I mean, a lot of these people have changed in their film brackets and so on. The only ones that don't is going to be Aaron and Grace and maybe Jess. But Laurie obviously has changed a lot. from Laurie Strode in Halloween 1978 versus her being in the present Halloween films. And same with Sydney. So we've got to play with some attributes a little bit here.

It's going to be fucking amazing. I'm so excited. I hope you guys are excited as well. We will have a bracket that will be available on social media that you can print out. We will also have a legit list of what we'll be doing and then we'll have our final crown as well. I thought about making an actual like.

actual award, but I'm like, I'm not going to do that. It's too much work. I'm not going to do that. I will also be having the post of the rules and attributes and things like that if you would like. to take this game and play it with your friends. So by all means, should be fun as shit. I'm very excited. I just noticed you have a pizza tattooed on your arm, Freddy. Was that a flash tattoo? You've never seen that? No.

Oh, yeah. I collect Friday the 13 tattoos now. Yeah, as you should. Oh, I love that. As you should. But this next month is going to be coined Final Girl Madness Month. And I am so jazzed about it. Holy shit. It's going to be fucking awesome. Looking forward to it. But this was Nightlight, a horror movie podcast. I was one of your hosts, Prince, also known as Head Knight. Alongside me, we had Freddy. Always giving it spoopy. Always and forever.

also known as nighty night. Other in there, we had Sydney. Yay. I still don't have one guys. I'm failing. I'm failing. I only took the balls because last week you said you'll have one. Yeah, I'm fucking up here, Prince. You do not have to have one. You genuinely don't. I think I'll just say something different every week. Just keep the people on their toes. Exactly.

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