Lady Petra:
You're listening to Kinky Cocktail Hour, a conversation between adults about sex forward relationships, kinky lifestyles, and Frank communication. If you're under 18, please stop listening and visit Scarletteen.com.
Lady Petra:
I'm Lady Petra, and my pronouns are she, hers and we.
SafferMaster:
I'm Saffermaster and my pronouns are him. His and we,
Lady Petra:
and this is cocktail hour. Cheers. Cheers.
SafferMaster:
Okay. So what are we drinking today?
Lady Petra:
We're drinking a drink that was first created in the 1800's.
SafferMaster:
Oh, really?
Lady Petra:
Yeah. Called the morning glory cocktail.
SafferMaster:
morning glory.
Lady Petra:
It's one of the hair of the dog or the,
SafferMaster:
yeah.
Lady Petra:
You know, next day hangover cures.
SafferMaster:
Sure.
Lady Petra:
Supposedly back in its day, packs a punch and it's indeed drinking the morning. You might wanna change your plans for the day <laugh> is what it says. So we're gonna have it in the evening. So it's an ounce of Rye whiskey, an ounce of Brandy, a teaspoon of triple sec, a dash. This is always a fun thing to do. A dash of absinth dash is like, I, I need, do you know what I'm gonna do is.
SafferMaster:
you need a dropper,
Lady Petra:
I'm gonna well or dropper, or I'm gonna take an old Angus store bottle when we get that's a good idea and clean it real well.
Lady Petra:
Yeah. And then fill it with absinth specifically for the dashes. Cause there's quite a few recipes that require a dash of absence.
SafferMaster:
That's a good idea.
Lady Petra:
And if you're going to like rinse inside of glass a dasher would be great.
SafferMaster:
Sure. Perfect.
Lady Petra:
And then it says two dashes of aromatic bitters, not Angostura, but aromatic fitters, which I have.
SafferMaster:
Oh, what did you use?
Lady Petra:
Aromatic bitters.
SafferMaster:
Oh, I see.
Lady Petra:
I actually have them.
SafferMaster:
Okay.
Lady Petra:
And then normally it would be a teaspoon of simple syrup and answer to a club soda served with lemon twist. Well, this time I thought we had club soda, but we ran out. So I chose seven up.
SafferMaster:
Okay.
Lady Petra:
Seven party has sweetness. It does. Yeah. I opted for two ounces of the seven up. Now. It'll be interesting to know. Cause we don't often drink fizzy drinks.
SafferMaster:
No,
Lady Petra:
this won't be very fizzy.
SafferMaster:
Right.
Lady Petra:
Because I grabbed a new bottle of seven up, but it feels kind of flat. Oh, interesting. Ish. So it might just be a more of a water mixer. You know what I mean?
SafferMaster:
Well, there you, so you'll see kind of pretty color. It's got a big ice ball.
Lady Petra:
Mm-hmm <affirmative> and lemon twist.
SafferMaster:
Yep. So that's sweeter than I expected it to be.
Lady Petra:
Yeah. For me too.
SafferMaster:
That's interesting.
Lady Petra:
And that's without simple syrup.
SafferMaster:
Right.
Lady Petra:
But it's very deceiving.
SafferMaster:
It's very deceiving. This doesn't feel like it's gonna be a strong drink. It's but it'll kick your ass.
Lady Petra:
Yeah. It's deceiving. It's very deceiving.
SafferMaster:
I'm gonna let the ice melt a bit.
Lady Petra:
Me too. I think that's, I think that's the key.
SafferMaster:
Yeah.
Lady Petra:
I think it's only gonna get smoother.
SafferMaster:
It'll get smoother. It's a bit too sweet.
Lady Petra:
But what I'm thinking is it's a very deadly drink. Deadly drink because you don't anticipate it to be what it is.
Saffermaster:
Yeah. Okay. Very good.
SafferMaster:
Well, here today with a hopeful cuck to talk about chastity, which is a really popular topic these days. So Hopeful, welcome to the conversation.
Hopeful Cuck:
Thank you.
SafferMaster:
Really appreciate you being on. Can you do me a favor and tell me about what you were thinking when you considered chastity? Like what were the thought processes that you had to Deal with?
Hopeful Cuck:
Okay. When I approached my mistress, my wife about her taking control chastity was not in the forefront of my mind. It wasn't something that I had considered as necessary for me or something that I really wanted, but I knew it was within the community. And as we began talking about it and getting online and, and meeting with more people in the community, it became clear that there were certain benefits to it in a female led relationship. And that if I were to engage in that with her, there would be benefits for both of us. And we have been on that path ever since. And I'm not gonna lie Saffer. It's a little addicting.
SafferMaster:
I'm Laughing. <laugh> because that's what I hear. I hear that it is.
Hopeful Cuck:
I know for a fact that, you know, because didn't you put it lady Petra in chastity.
SafferMaster:
for a Month.
Lady Petra:
Yes, we did Anal April
Hopeful Cuck:
And I was listening. And I know that you missed, uh, certain activities with her. It's the same in reverse. It is. It's a complicated thing, but there's this, this feeling that she's in control in a way that she couldn't be without a physical device. And I like that aspect.
SafferMaster:
No, I totally get that. I'm interested in the mechanics though. And I remember from our previous conversation, you had some difficulty with chaffing with the original device, right?
Hopeful Cuck:
That is absolutely true. The first one we bought and I won't mention the company cuz I'm so sure they make a decent product that just didn't work for me. The ring itself, the way a, a male Chasity cage adheres is a, there's a ring that goes around the scrotal sack and around the top of the penis. And then there's a piece that attaches to that that holds the head of the penis or the shaft of the penis and attaches to the ring. The ring that I have created a wound underneath my scrotum that took a little over a month to fully heal. It's all good now.
SafferMaster:
Okay. Well that's good. I'm glad it's healed. So, you know, that raises a couple of questions. So the first question comes to mind is of all the devices that you could potentially have chosen. How do you make the selection? What, what's your thought process there?
Hopeful Cuck:
Okay. So initially I didn't know. I had never had one years of thinking about this type of play and I had never purchased one or even considered it really. And so I didn't really know when I bought my first one, I couldn't get it on. It was, it was too small. I have a, I have a large circumference and it, it was hard to find a ring that fit. And then because all the rings that we had bought were too small, we ended up buying a few that were too big. And then with the wound, it was hard to get a good fit, but we figured it out now. I think we have a real good that fits and stays on and we're comfortable with it.
SafferMaster:
Okay. So about how much money would you say you spent all in all just trying to find the right device.
Hopeful Cuck:
It was hundreds. The device that I'm wearing now comes from Kink 3d. They make a resin cage, a 3D printed cage, and the rings are about $40 each. And I would guess I have five, the nose pieces, the pieces that hold the penis itself are between 120 and 160. And I have two of those and I probably need a third one. So,
SafferMaster:
and then the second question from that fitting process comes to mind, which is, do you prepare the skin in any particular way? Do you use a cream or a powder or anything at all to prepare the skin for
Hopeful Cuck:
Chastity? I use a lot of Gold Bond, hand lotion, their upper level stuff. When I'm wearing it, a lot of guys recommend the baby diaper creams. They're supposed to be good if you get irritated. And a friend of mine from real life who I happen to know is into this sort of thing, told me Carmex, the lip stuff, carry a tube of that with you and you'll be safe, but you definitely wanna lube up the ring. It's gonna be, it's gonna be noticeable here and there.
SafferMaster:
Does it make sense to shave the area or to eliminate the hairs that might pull in the cage
Hopeful Cuck:
A hundred percent as a matter of fact, Mistress and I just completed, uh, about a week ago, 21 day in chastity was the longest period of time I've ever done that or gone without an orgasm since I was about, I don't know, 12, and the only time I was let out during those 21 days, I was let out twice to shave and clean because you do have to keep it up or it'll get, you know, you have to clean the cage every now and then. And you have to all also shave in order to keep those little hairs will get yanked right out.
SafferMaster:
Did you wean yourself into the wearing because I mean, it's a new device. And so obviously with, even with one that finally fits, do you need to wean yourself in so that it becomes more, your body becomes kind of adaptable to it. And then also on, on the nose piece or what the piece that covers the shaft there's various ones. Like there's some that have more spacing and then some that are like much more solid in nature. Do you have recommendations on those?
Hopeful Cuck:
So I, I'm not gonna be great on a whole bunch of different cages. What I have found is that the most important thing is how you fit in it to pee. Occasionally the bars will block the urethra and that creates an interesting, uh, an interesting and embarrassing mess, especially at work. So I just having make, making sure you have a good fit, I think is really important. The 3D cages have a lot of openings, Lady Petra, so that, that makes them easy, easier to pee out of, uh, which was the biggest problem. Urination is the biggest problem in long term chastity. For me, just getting used to sitting down in every place I, I go is difficult. And to your first question, weaning in, absolutely. You gotta go bit by bit. First we did a couple hours. Then we did an overnight. Then we did a couple of days. We kept trying to get better at it and go longer and longer. And you know, now we're headed for Loctober. I think.
SafferMaster:
that's Interesting with the longer term chastity. Let me just go back to the device. I've seen devices that have a urethral plug to facilitate cleaner urination. Have you tried one of those?
Hopeful Cuck:
No, I'm not interested in that. I understand some people do like a, they, they also have the cages that where you, you connect it to your Prince Albert piercing that makes it almost impossible to pull your penis out of it. Most cages. I think most of us can get our penis out of the top of the cage. It's just hard to get anything done with it. Plus there's the mental Chasity aspect of the whole situation in general.
SafferMaster:
Okay, Good. So let's talk about the 21. So tell me what happened in the 21 days for you. Like what was your mindset going in and how did it end?
Hopeful Cuck:
So we have a contract which we talked about in our last visit and the contract says that she can keep me in chastity for as long as she wants, but for every day I'm in, I have to get a day out. So it's supposed to be 50 50. So if I'm in for a week, I'm out for a week like that. And after our vacation, we went on vacation in early August. She didn't ask me to put the cage back on for three weeks, for three weeks. She just, she didn't bring it up. And when she finally did, she decided we did five days and then she took it out for a day. And then she wanted to put me back in, or we did three days and she wanted to put me back in for 18 days to make up the 21. And instead of 18 days, she did the whole 21. So when we first set it up, I set a timer like I, I did, I just did a, I downloaded an app on my phone and I set a timer this is when I am supposed to get out. And I sent it to her that's this is what we've agreed to. And she said to her credit, she's really kind of magnificent. She said, "I didn't agree to that. You're out when I say you're out". So there was an element of when she first said that there was an element of maybe I'll get out sooner. Maybe she maybe she'll wanna play with me this weekend or, or, uh, like there's that excitement. And then when you start to understand that that's not the way it's gonna be, it is, it gets a little bit more intense. The first week is hard, really hard, especially after being free for a while. But the second week, this particular time, as I was just starting to get my groove, I came home from work. She was working later than I was. And I came home to the key and a note that said, "please wash and shave your balls. You may masturbate if you want". And that was it. So as I read that, I knew AME. I mean, it was a test. She was testing me. So she gave me this opportunity. She offered me this, lifesaver, this, here you go. You've been in Chasity for eight days. Go ahead if you want. But she would like, you know, lady Petra that when you're a sub, you kind of want to be told to do it. I didn't wanna make that decision for her. And I didn't want to have to tell her that I had been weak. So even though I had the key and I was free and I took a shower and cleaned myself up, I put it right back in. As we got to the weekend where I was supposed to be freed, I kept trying very hard not to say, please free me. Please let me, I was trying not to be, but I was, I was feeling it. And when she finally let me out, it was, it was glorious. It was, we spent about an hour and a half together, um, just playing. And it was, it was just, it was glorious. It was wonderful. So 21 days was a long time, but the release, the reveal at the end was ah, hundred percent worth it.
SafferMaster:
Got it. <laugh> I love it.
Lady Petra:
Yeah.
SafferMaster:
All right. So there is a sense on the boards that I've read that when you're in chastity, that sexual energy is really directed towards supporting her in whatever she's up to. Did you find that that was true for you?
Hopeful Cuck:
Oh, Absolutely. She's been incredibly busy lately. So it's been it's both of our lives are really complicated in the real world at the moment. So we've had a hard time, really connecting a lot, but the intensity of the interplay between us, the it's constant flirting, it's the it's constant teasing. She sends me pictures of the key. She posts things on Twitter that she knows will get me going. She teases me. She she's relentless. And there's this, this energy about being that I don't know that intoxicated with somebody that's, that's hard to explain. And, and it's, it's just kind of amazing.
SafferMaster:
You know, we talked to a, a young man a few months ago who has resigned himself to permanently be in chastity. He sort of given up on his sexuality and has completely redefined sexuality from his point of view. And he's being sissified and, and so forth and owned by a dominant. And this sounds like a different relationship. This sounds like one where you don't see permanent chastity in your future.
Hopeful Cuck:
Oh No, we are. This has very quickly, our relationship has very quickly become a full on DS relationship. We are fully FLR. She is 100% in charge and that's 24/7. And that just works better for us as a dynamic. It works better for who each of us are in our souls and she is, she's very benevolent and she listens, we talk everything out and I'm really comfortable with her being in charge. But this is the whole point of it is to make our sex life better by no stretch of the imagination. Am I interested in permanent Chasity by no stretch of the imagination? Am I interested in being locked for months or months and months at a time? I like the charge of gearing up, get off with my beautiful wife and that time and that the October thing, 31 days, a long time, but in those 21 days or in the five day periods or eight day periods that we've done before, that it's just a constant buildup. That is it's wonderful. But the cherry on top for me is when it's, when the Chasity is over and I get to release that built up tension and love. And of course, after the 21 day lockup, she gave me my first ruined orgasm.
SafferMaster:
Okay. You have to share.
Hopeful Cuck:
So it's she was, she was, she had let me out, she worked me up, she got me all hard and she was, she was giving me a hand job. And just as I was ready to release 21 days of pent up passion, she let go. And I had, I came with no stimulation, so it was much less, it was not that sensation that I had hoped for it, but she did it on purpose to be a little cruel. And that's kind of what I like about her.
SafferMaster:
Okay. That's interesting. I've never ruined your orgasm. I haven't prevented you from having orgasms, but I haven't ruined you.
Lady Petra:
Yeah. Well, lots of edging. Lots edging.
SafferMaster:
Yeah. Okay. So what's it like when you're in Chas and you get aroused, I mean, you, you can't expand. So how does that feel? And, and what's it like,
Hopeful Cuck:
You be surprised at what it can do when get an erection in the cage, the penis does get erected and it can get erect, but it pushes the cage out, making the cage much tighter. And then the glands, the penis is pushing against the bars in the front and you're balls get pulled away from your body, by the cage, because as your penis gets erect, I can actually get my cage to flip up and down a little bit. When I have an erection, like I can throw it around. Like, it's an interesting experience being erected in one of those things,
Lady Petra:
helicopter <laugh>.
Hopeful Cuck:
it is very strange. I'm kind of fond. And
SafferMaster:
Then I'm assuming, because your wife is your wife, that when you're in your cage, she does things to tease you in your cage. So how does that work?
Hopeful Cuck:
Oh, it's relentless first. I, I mean, I think I just went through this, but she, she, the Twitter account was her idea to tease me and it's been wonderful. She does it all the time. She will send me pictures of the key around her chest, uh, or, or between her, between her breasts. She just, and she'll rub the key on me. She'll leave the key around, like, just leave it in the bathroom. Here it is. It's constant with her.
SafferMaster:
It's good. All right. So, you know, a young man listening, he thinks to himself, you know, I wanna get a cage. So what advice would you give him? So
Hopeful Cuck:
First I'd do a little bit of research and a lot of measuring I'd measure the circumference of around the scrotal sack and the penis and make sure I knew exactly what that was. I would look at several old different kinds of cages. Don't go for the cheapest cages, spend a little money, use one of the brands that has a presence on Twitter. I really like the king 3d designs. Not that I work for them or anything. I just, mine's very comfortable. I've like I said, I could wear it for 21 days. And that was day and night, 24 hours. Uh, comfort is key and be prepared to buy four or five because you're gonna have to find the right fit. And it's not like you can return.
SafferMaster:
I'm curious if you had talked to Mistress about chastity in a way that allows you to share what her reaction to you being a chastity was? Well,
Hopeful Cuck:
So at first it was just amusing to her. She, she didn't really understand it and didn't really get it. But once we started to engage in it ser and she began to tease me and she began to have this new way to be sexual with me, it just took off for her. So she now, she, I think she really enjoys it
SafferMaster:
When you are in a cage for 21 and days, how do you approach cleanliness and how do you get it dry? Like, what's your strategy?
Hopeful Cuck:
Right? So the cage that I have allows for a lot of air drying. So there's no problem with drying. Every time I bath, I bathe and I wash into the cage, like, uh, up and I put my fingers in as much as I can and clean under the ring. And you have to really spend some time cleaning it out. And I bathe regularly, no matter what, but when I'm in chastity for days, I bathe more often. Cause it's just, it can be a little unclean. So you have to clean it a lot.
SafferMaster:
Okay. So I've heard do some research, try a bunch of different cages and sizes, use a lotion or some diaper lotion or something like that to lube the skin and protect the skin, take good measurements and then clean regularly wean into it, wean into it like day by day by day, and then give your key to somebody who's cruel.
Hopeful Cuck:
<laugh> <laugh> somebody who's cruel that you can trust. Yes, yes.
Lady Petra:
Obviously who you can trust <laugh> yeah.
SafferMaster:
That's Important.
Hopeful Cuck:
That's kinda a big deal.
SafferMaster:
I was teasing. Yeah. So, okay, good. Anything else you can think of to share with a perspective chastity Hound?
Hopeful Cuck:
So this is what I'll say about it. It is it's, it might take some getting used to it's weird at first, but there are a lot of pleasures in it. And I mean, I personally, I want everybody to get exactly what they want. If that guy wants to be in chastity for the rest of his life every single day, God bless him. That doesn't have to be it like you, you can do it from that guy all the way down to, I wear it on Tuesday from 12 to 12, 10, you can decide how you wanna work it. But Chasity has been a great benefit to, to our relationship and to what we're doing in the kink world.
Lady Petra:
Well, And I get it because wearing devices continually, I mean, I've worn a butt plug every day. I go to work for three years and there is an adjustment and there is a weaning in period in the beginning, and there is a type of material and what you look for and what seems to work, you know? And so it's important that people explore it, not just a knee jerk reaction to It.
Hopeful Cuck:
No, absolutely. And I always, whenever I change anything in the cage, if I go to a smaller ring or I change the, the front piece or anything like that, I try it out. When I know I'm gonna be home for hours when I'm not gonna have to be someplace where it might be an issue where I couldn't replace it or change it or get it off if I had to. Have you
SafferMaster:
Ever gone through an airport with it on?
Hopeful Cuck:
No,
SafferMaster:
I think against the rules, I don't think you can do that.
Hopeful Cuck:
It's got a metal lock, so it'll show up, they're gonna find it. And then you're gonna have to explain it. And that's
Lady Petra:
Why I don't wear a metal butt plug through security. Like I have a glass one.
Hopeful Cuck:
Exactly. And I know they have the plastic cages where you can get a plastic tag and they say, you can wear those through an airport, but I don't,
Lady Petra:
She might now with this idea, she could put a zip tie through it. <laugh>
Hopeful Cuck:
Yeah. You just never know.
SafferMaster:
All right. Well, you know, this has been really interesting and I really appreciate you on really short notice coming on and just sharing your experience in chastity. So hopeful. Cuck, thank you so much. Yeah.
Lady Petra:
Thank you. That was great.
SafferMaster:
I'm a big fan guys. Thank you very much.
Lady Petra:
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