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Australian men on dating apps – grow up!

Jan 28, 202433 minSeason 1Ep. 302
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Can someone explain how Australian dating rules work? It's the viral TikTok that sent us wild so we asked you for your experiences of dating in Australia to find out just how bad it is. Spoiler alert…it’s very bad. So if you’re getting sick of swiping, know that you’re not alone ❤️ And Aussie men…pull your socks up!

And we check in with the goals we set ourselves at the start of the year to see if they’ll be sustainable for the rest of 2024. Find out Steph’s huge strength goal and how Laura plans to balance a hectic work schedule with life outside work.

We’ll back in your ears with KICBUMP on Wednesday.

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Kic UPDATE

Welcome to the squad, STAX.! We’ve teamed up with STAX. to release our first-ever activewear collection to help you move with confidence. Designed with Founder of STAX., Don Robertson, Steph & Laura have built this 15 piece collection with inclusivity, quality and comfort at its core. Empowering you to move, without holding you back. From exercise to your every day, no matter how you move, our limited edition sets will support you where you need it most. Stamped with a reminder that you are enough, just as you are. The collection drops Friday February 9th 2024. 

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S1

Listener Keke Palmer acknowledges the traditional owners and custodians of the land in which we're recording this podcast, the Eula Wilson clan of the Boomerang, who were a part of the Kulin nation. We pay our respects to our elders, past and present, and extend our respect to Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples today.

S2

Welcome to the Keke pod. Your name on the stuff that matters, but also the stuff that doesn't.

UU

Welcome, guys. Hi.

S1

Hello. I have something to tell you. I got a very funny. So I have Google alerts on for you and Keke and me. So basically the point of it is. So then if anyone writes anything really bad, if there's any crisis, we know we get one on Twitter. We're on to it, not drama. We have to fix it, but we're on to it. The other day, I got a notification that you were in an article, and the title of the article was The Old money Haircut you're about to see everywhere it was, it's on Mamma mia!

And I just laughed my head off because I never thought of your haircut like an old money haircut. It's funny, though, because. But then I know I can't unsee it.

S2

Yeah, I know, I.

S1

Know, I can't unsee it. What did.

S2

They say? I'm like the Meredith. Blake.

S1

Hang on, let me.

S2

I'm giving Meredith Blake from. Um. No, not it takes two. What's it called? Oh, parent trap. Parent trap? They said everyone's doing it. So if it's a cut that you've been wanting to do for a long time, now's the time. Yes.

S1

Okay, so it's called the old money, Bob, for anyone that doesn't know what it means. Yeah, it's basically when. So old money versus new money. Old money is like when money is passed down from like generation families, generational wealth generation. And then new money is when like the person didn't come from money but has made their own money, whereas old money is from their parents basically, then probably from their parents, parents, etc.. 100%. Yeah. Anyway, yeah. So

that is just so funny. I just when I saw that, I'm like, oh my God, I've never looked at your mom in that way. But there we go.

S2

Yeah.

S1

The rise of the old money, Bob. Anyway, so aside from the Bob. Yeah, you have got news for us.

S2

I mean, I we have news for that. We have news for the people. Um, so basically we have designed our very first collaboration through Kik with an activewear label. And that activewear label is stacks. So first of all, welcome to the Kik Squad Stacks and Stacks community. We are so excited about this collection. We designed it along with Don Robinson, their founder and creative director, and it

was just a breeze. Can I say, working with this team, they are incredible at what they do, and it was so fun to put together a 15 piece collection, keeping in mind inclusivity, quality and comfort of course, for every piece. So we want to empower you to move without holding you back. You want to feel comfortable in whatever movement that makes you feel good, or even just wearing it every day. We love wearing our activewear when we're not actually being active, and that is what this collection is

all about. So we want it to be here for you, to support you when you need it most. And it is also a reminder that you are enough just as you are, which it literally says on some of the collection. Not so.

S1

Excited. And the color? It is a beautiful pink. It's inspired by our one of our pink rooms, our Pilates room. That's where the kind of the inspiration started. And I think as well it's important to talk about we have never done a Keke activewear collaboration before, and the reason being, it just hasn't felt right. I don't know how to explain it. It's like there was just like, we've been asked to do it quite a few times and we

just didn't have the the alignment wasn't there. And so to have a brand that we felt, we kind of thought, no, it's time now. And stacks are so inclusive as a brand. We went to their show. So this has been in the works for quite a long time. And right before we, we kind of work through it and it was just the most this runway they did was the most inclusive ever that I've ever seen. We've both ever seen. And it was like, this is and the quality of their

products is just fantastic. Yeah. The design elements that go into them, the way they fit, the way they look, I mean, I'm wearing a bodysuit from them right now. I, we just love it. And so we thought, why not. Like it's time. It's time. And so yeah, we're so it's such a special collection. We have we were a part of the whole design process to make sure it was. I mean, we speak to all of you all the time about like what you're looking for and in your

activewear and how you want things to fit. And so we encapsulated all of that. And Don is an amazing, like, creative genius with his designs. And yeah, it's really exciting.

S2

Yeah. So it is dropping Friday the 9th of February. So it will be available for you guys to purchase in. And we're just so excited and so keen to hear your thoughts. And we cannot wait to see you guys kicking it in the gear and just wearing all the merch. It's a very, very exciting collaboration for us, so we hope you're okay. Okay. Lousy. It is the end of January. You know, and I feel like this is the time

of the year, not just. I feel like I know the research backs this, but this is the time of the year where a lot of us have either already let go or are thinking about letting go of our goals that we may have said at the start of January. So we wanted to check in with each other and talk about that because we've set our own goals. And

I'm very interested to hear what you've set for yourself, Lucy. Um, and then also just say to anyone listening in, if you are in that moment and you are feeling like the motivation is dropping, we are here to remind you that it is okay if you're feeling that way, but we are going to all get through this part together because I feel like it's after the first couple of weeks. And it's the same with even with our run programs

and other programs in general. Once you get past the first couple of weeks where you might have the motivation because of the adrenaline of setting something and being excited about it, but then it might get a little bit tough. Maybe it's like physically tough, or maybe it's just harder to fit in. It can be really easy to kind

of think of every excuse to to give up. But this is something if it's important to you and you have said it and it means something to you, it is important that you do try and follow it through. So let's get through this little tough point together, shall we?

S1

And if you need to reset, that's fine. Like that's absolutely fine. If you need to re I've, I've changed some of mine from the start of the year because all we all have that we just we have more time. Obviously if you are in a break at the side of Jane, you have more time. And so I think sometimes you.

S2

Don't think realistically.

S1

Exactly. So we need to realign our goals. But they are so important. And if it is the good, the thing obviously you can set goals at any point of the year. And the reason we wanted to reset now and check in on it is to chat through how our goals have evolved, but then also, I suppose, talk through and hopefully for everyone listening. If you do want to like relook at your goals, work through how you can evolve them so then you can have them for

the rest of the year for yourself. Because if there were things that you wanted to make changes of in your life that are positive, like, let's do it, we want to do it, it is like we've gone through. I think the night is at the ninth of Jan was World Quitters Day or something. 1230 the 12th, which is like the day that most people quit their resolutions. We also aren't we're not doing resolutions this year. We're not doing large overhaul lives. No. Absolutely not. It's setting small,

small goals. Okay. Steffi, do you want to go first?

S2

Yeah, sure. So I think I've already spoken about a few kind of intentions. So today I wanted to bring, um, I suppose, some more tangible goals that I'm hoping to reach this year. And one. One is a fitness one and the other one is not. But the other one actually kind of helps me get there in a way.

So I'll kind of explain how they are linked. But first of all, last year I reached my goal of doing an unassisted pull up, which I was super stoked because it just felt like something that I was never going to be able to do, because I had put in my mind that I was never going to be able to do it right. But then as soon as I actually put the things in practice and made the time to train and just get stronger, I then did it and then I was like, okay, now I want

to do three, and I did three. And um, and I did notice that, you know, basically as soon as I start stopped practicing it, it dropped back down to one or I'd have to go back to assisted, and that's okay. Um, I think that's, that's like any kind of fitness, even with running, if you take a break from it, you need to build back up that fitness and strength. But something for me that I realized last year in the ebb and flow of my fitness routine, was when I had at least one solid day in

the gym. Even better if it was two, and then I might have partnered that with 1 or 2 Pilates workouts from home, and they were usually just 10 to 15 minute Pilates workouts. But they really complemented my strength training really well when I was in that routine, which definitely is like, attainable for me. Um, I mean, as long as I'm not, you know, unwell or injured or anything, I felt amazing and I felt really clear minded and

I just, I really loved that. So my fitness goal this year is ten unassisted.

S1

Oh my goodness.

S2

And I know to get to that goal I'm going to need to visit the gym regularly. And so I'm setting that. That's my fitness goal because I then think it'll also motivate me to to be more regular with my training, which I know makes me feel amazing. Um, so I intend to go to the gym and or if I can't get to the gym, do strength training two times a week, and then partner that with, um,

two Pilates workouts from home per week. And I know, as I said, I know that some weeks it might not be perfect, but I think having the goal of having ten unassisted chin ups, I'm not going to be able to get there if I'm only training once a week. Like it's just not going to happen. But I, I can't even explain to you how empowering it did feel when I did that first unassisted chin ups, that I can only imagine how ten is going to feel for me. So I'm really excited about it. But to be able

to do those workouts, the ones from home. And the gym. I also need to prioritize movement in the morning and at the moment, and who knows how long it's going to be for Javi as early rising. So I did actually the other morning. I just accepted the fact that he was awake and I got up anyway, and I asked him to go and do some independent play in his playroom. And he did, and he was fine. Can I just.

S1

Say I love that it's called independent play. Like, it's so funny, I think because obviously I'm not immersed in like the motherhood land play by myself. Yeah, but independent play sounds so like I'm like, oh, what is that?

S2

And he did. And he was excited by it. Like, cool, I'll go play with my monster trucks. No worries. And I got through a 15 minute Pilates workout. And honestly, I reckon I could have done longer. It was only really because I started talking to my stories on my phone that he kind of remembered, heard my voice and was like, oh, mom's down south. Um, and so that made me feel really good because it was like, I've

still had my morning. I haven't, like, interrupted his morning or made his morning any worse by missing me for 15 minutes like he was having a lot of fun. Um, and I still got it done, so I'm not going to use the excuse of him being an early riser anymore to, like, not have that time for myself in the morning. So that's what I need to do, but also to have the motivation to have that time in the morning. I need to get an earlier night's rest. Um, and so I'm really focusing on my wine down now, um,

at night. And the other goal that I was talking about that's going to help me, this is how it's like working. There's a funnel, um, is to read more. So last year I read 17 books. I want to beat that this year. And the reason why it's important to me is because last year when I was reading at night, it made me fall asleep so much faster because I felt like I kind of got to escape whatever was going on in my mind or whatever was happening around me. You know, you can't scroll on your phone,

you can't have a conversation with someone. Sorry, Josh, because he loves having conversations at night. I just felt immersed in these stories, and that way I could just kind of go to sleep once I put the book down. Um, so yeah, my other goal is to read more books. And so if I read more books, I probably have a bit of wind down, which means I'll probably sleep better, which means I would be more fresh in the morning to potentially get more workouts done, which will help complement

my strength training. And then I'll be doing ten unassisted.

S1

So yeah, what a cycle there you've got going. Yeah. Amazing.

S2

So the two goals is ten unassisted chin ups and more than 17 books. And they're going to help each other.

S1

And it has it has it changed since January 1st.

S2

Um, the books one hasn't. The unassisted chin ups has been a newer one. Just because what I wanted because from the start of Jan I was like, I felt really good. It was that realization of how good I felt when I was doing two Pilates workouts and two strength workouts a week. Realizing that I can do that, I can do that. There's things I can put in

place to make sure that happens. Um, and then I was thinking like, what's going to be something that's going to motivate me to keep up with that kind of repetition and that routine. And I was like, well, the pull up felt real good. So ten, let's do ten of them. That's it.

S1

Yeah, I love that. So it's like another reason as to because again, it's like the hottest thing with goals is motivation to do it. Yeah. And you've set that in now I love it.

S2

Fantastic. I can see my journey good. And I'm gonna love every other step to sales.

S1

Mine okay. So my kind of theme of my and my intention is thriving, not surviving love. I feel like the last six months of last year I spent in autopilot. Yeah, there was not a lot of thriving. I sometimes I thrived, really thriving. Maybe finally, just like getting through life basically. And I don't, I don't want I really thought about it and I'm like, I don't want to leave my life like that. Like it's not me. And I feel like, too.

The lack of routine for me meant that I. And just when I say routine in not doing anything for me at any point. Yeah. Um, in like my and I was also injured so that wasn't helpful. But like for my mind or for my, um, in terms of movement etc., it did not help at all. And I feel like I just lost this connection with myself and I felt so weak. It's really interesting because I felt weak physically, like from an like strength physical standpoint. But

when I feel weak physically, I feel weak mentally. It's like the impact strength having because it's like I'm in control of my. It's like, I know, like I showed up for myself. Yeah. And I'm strong and I feel strong and I feel empowered and then I can take that into my life. It's just for me. It's like directly correlated and linked. And so my the kind of way. So I'll say what I'm going to do and then how I'm going to do it. So I want to do three runs each week. That hasn't changed. Well this

has changed. I had straight to strength or Pilates classes week. I changed it to one because that's going to be more achievable for me than I have four week workouts each week. That's achievable. Five meditations that used to be seven. That's about five minutes in the morning. And that is especially the days that I'm not exercising. Yep. That's like my five minutes in the morning. And then ten. I had every day read ten pages, but I changed it to ten pages five days a week.

S2

Yep. Gotcha. So what if you read 50 pages in one day?

S1

No, because it's more. It's more exactly what you were talking about, of winding down before bed. And it's ten pages before. Well, where I'm doing it now is before bed, I would hope. Like, hopefully I'll read outside of that, like on the weekend or whatever, but ten pages before bed is like exactly what you said. It's like it takes you out of that. Like there's a bit of whatever that your brain and you just go into some nice story and then you then I find it so

much easier to go to sleep. Yeah. So that's my things and what they're my goals. And then the way I'm going to be able to achieve that is with I've got a new schedule or way my week is structured that has that built into it.

S2

Has room for it.

S1

Has room for it, exactly like mainly just in the mornings, but then also has the kind of a little bit better. It's still like it's still a lot of hours of work, but it's just a little bit more structured than it was last year. And it's not like 12 to 14 hours every day. It's more like ten. But then and there's some nights too, where I've got late night work schedule, but it's in the thing and it's not five nights

a week, it's like three, which I can. And then in between there's a little bit of a break because what I was doing, which wasn't helpful, was I was doing like, I don't know, say The office or seven. And then I'd drive home and then I'd get straight on my laptop until 1030 and I wouldn't have any of that break. So there's just a few breaks built in there that enable, because I know sometimes, like our workload can't change, like stuff's got to get done. It

is what it is. And it's it's kind of finding that balance. Right. Because I feel like sometimes. And also within my day too, I actually have working block times. Yeah. I haven't had that before because what happens and this happens with your calendar to meetings just get put in and then you've lost your entire day. And then my entire task list or work projects all have to be

done at night. So it's I've got some work block timing and then that's flexible if things are urgent, but if they're not then it's like, okay, move them to when there's meeting space. Exactly. So I'm really excited. So I've got that and that's how I'm going to achieve it. And I just I just know how shit I felt last year and I don't want to feel like that. And that's my motivation. Yeah. Good.

S2

Yeah I'm.

S1

Glad. But it's had a bit of a evolution, just like a few things cut off because I was like, well, girl, you're not doing True's transition. It's like.

S2

Last year. You say yourself to do Duolingo.

S1

Everything people say. I was like, I'm gonna learn French at 15 minutes a day, and then I'm like 12 a.m. in the night. I'm like, trying to do my French. And Dawson's like. And it's like, quite Duolingo. If you are looking to learn a language, a fantastic product, really great app. But it's like I'm like speaking French into my phone and then it's like, well done and tick and Dustin's like, shut the f up. Like I'm trying to sleep wipe. I don't want this. It's like, it's

obviously a game. Yeah, it's gamified, which is amazing, but like it's too overstimulating right before bed. So yeah, that was quite I remember for two weeks generally like Dawson was trying to sleep and I'm doing fucking Duolingo next day it was like.

S2

Yeah, that was not long enough.

S1

I was like going out of the bedroom. And I'm like, what am I doing? Like, why am I doing this? Is helping me. There was the why behind my goal was like, I want to learn French. Why? Yeah. Why. Like unless you can find time, don't. Yeah. You've got the rest of your life flaws.

S2

It's a long.

S1

Life. Thank you, thank you, thank you very much.

S3

One, two, three.

S1

Okay, there was a viral TikTok. I feel like a boomer when I say viral. Viral. I borrow TikTok and we have to talk about it. It was from a page called JD Lee, and it was about how Australian dating rules work, and it was just so funny. And we've got to play it for you. Hi.

S4

Can someone please explain to me how Australian dating rules work? Because I don't get it. I do not understand. I feel like if you say one wrong thing, you're left on red. And then the amount of dates that have been organised and then the guys just never texted me again, has never happened anywhere else in the world. And every woman I speak to has the exact same horror stories about Australian men. Someone please elaborate.

S1

I'm embarrassed. I'm embarrassed. Seriously. This is. And then the best part was people then stitched that TikTok with their own story, with their own stories, and people came in with some very good experiences. So the first or not sorry good is in like I enjoyed watching them. Yeah. Not to experience in the dating world. So someone said we don't have rules. You just fight for your life. This is bad. This is bad for Australia. That's not good.

Oh my god. And Australia equals Neverland, home to the Lost Boys. Okay, so this is definitely about men I yeah I, I would have to agree with the stories.

S2

Aussie men love to organise a date and then apparently die.

S1

Yeah. Never never never come. What is it called? Shade. No. Ghost. Ghost. Shade ghost. Just ghost that I'm in. Like I'm actually embarrassed for this.

S2

Yeah. This is.

S1

Who would want to be like.

S2

This? Last one's bad.

S1

Read it out, read it out.

S2

Men have this idea that if they put in the slightest bit of effort, that you will think they're in love with you.

S1

I just. The bar for men in dating is so low. It's so low. Like I don't want to be ghosted. No, I don't want people to waste my time. I don't want people to make me feel like shit about myself when they don't even care. Like you're thinking about it all day and they're like, they forget. Like, are you joking? I just it just.

S2

Yeah.

S1

This sucks.

S2

It really does.

S1

We really. You need to wake up. Yeah. White men, especially.

S2

Australian men, apparently.

S1

To wake.

S2

Up. Now, we've had some of you guys from our community also share some things about the Australian dating scene. So let's jump into those. There are so many amazing people out there who just keep getting screwed over by the casual dating culture, and it's honestly so damaging to self-esteem. I hate it sometimes I just want to give up, but I keep at it because I want to feel that type of love. One day I hope things change for us. Oh, one day I hope things change for you.

S1

I'm sorry Australian men wake up you are impacting people's confidence. You are? You're serious? You're non. You're not taking it seriously. Men in Australia you are being too casual and it's time to stop. Yeah, casual. If you want to be casual about dating, don't date. And it just.

S2

Makes me think. Like I know of some really decent guys that are dating, not having a lot of luck, and I feel like it's these shitty guys that are.

S1

Ruining it for everyone. The casual lads that love to swipe on illicit pumping know it's pump and dump, isn't it? I think that's a very disgusting way to.

S2

Say pump and dump is like ejaculate, isn't it? I don't know, Lindsay's laughing. It's something about ejaculating.

S5

I can't, I use it a lot, but usually that's what I imagine it means. Anyway.

S1

I've never.

S5

Said it.

S2

Siri, wait, where? Siri ask in.

S1

Dictionary. Uh, a situation where a person has sex with a partner on a single occasion, without immediate intention or further contact to pursue a serious relationship. Maybe that's what the definition of Australian men is. Australian man equals pump and dump.

S2

This one the worst single again at 33 and I want to give up. Oh, they always think there is someone better.

S1

Oh that sucks.

S2

Okay, this is a long one. Being single in your 30s is hard enough with societal expectations and my own ideas of where I would be at in life, but these days it is just so hard to meet people organically at cafes or restaurants. No one looks up from their phone or wants to venture away from their friends, which I get, but I don't enjoy going out and drinking, so a bar slash pub night isn't where I want to meet someone if that's how they spend their weekends.

Working full time and having a mortgage and bills on my own is also impacting opportunities to try new things to meet guys. So I turn into dating apps and they truly make me want to give up. Whether you're just vibing with someone, thinking it'll lead to dates or

having casual chatter, they always end up ghosting. I think the issue with dating apps is that there appears to be an endless stream of people available, so all the guys think I'm making a connection with seem to be looking for someone better in the pile of profiles no one seems to want to put in the effort to form a connection, and I'm preparing myself for the fact that my happily ever after might look different to how I thought it would. And that's okay.

S1

It is okay. I'm like, that is fucking amazing to say that, first of all. But second of all, I you know what? I think with dating apps, it's like it's great in that like, it's enabled people to meet people that couldn't have met before because it's just like.

S2

You've got a sea of.

S1

People transactional. It's like, oh, there'll be someone because it's like you write the profile and then it's like you compare that like in your head out of ten, and then you compare the profiles, you're like, oh no, I'm waiting for a it's so true.

S2

But it's like when you meet someone in real life and organically, which I know is is different and difficult now, but it is. You don't have that thought of like, oh, but there could be like 20 other people tonight that I'll also catch eye contact with and potentially flirt with. Like, sorry, that doesn't happen to anyone in the real world. So but online, yeah, I'm probably going to swipe, you know, another 30 people tonight and who knows how many of

them are going to swipe back. So it's just like two too many options that they think the grass is always greener, that they never actually get to know the person. And I think that sucks.

S1

And it sucks too, because because of our biological clock. If you do want to have children, yeah, men don't have they don't have that stress, so they don't need to think about it. And so they and also like yeah they then like even looking at like divorce rates and then after divorce so often like I know so many stories about men that then go and date like really young women and it's like, but I just, I just, um, I am not for these men sometimes anyway. Okay, okay.

Rocks up to his house for a first date. He was in his PJs at 3 p.m. drinking a beer. We've been together for three years. I didn't, I thought that was going bad, but it's. It's good.

S2

I mean, cute.

S1

But that. Do you know what that tells me? You don't need to have fancy date to find love. You don't need.

S2

Also nice things that we put in way too much effort.

S1

You're right. You know, it also says that. Yes. Okay. Match with the guy on Tinder and send him an opening question asking if you could blink and go anywhere in the world, where would you go? Are. I can't read this because again, this is embarrassing for Australia. What did he.

S2

Say?

S1

He says. Between your tits? No. Who said romance was dead?

S2

No.

S1

Old mate Brad from Tinder did. That is. No.

S2

No. If you.

S1

Could go.

S2

In my world. Is that hot? That's not in anyone's world.

S1

Hot, mate. Say, Italy. Say something else with you.

S2

Maybe.

S1

Queen your tits.

S2

I think you're gonna say between.

S1

So don't call them tits like in the first thing I know.

S2

Who the fuck?

S1

Like you're not entitled to tits. No one.

S2

No one. They're not tits.

S1

Unless, like, once you're together. And you. You've established that I don't. Sure.

S2

Okay. Maybe it.

S1

Could be for people, but don't.

S2

Know.

S1

Don't slide in with that.

S2

No, you can't slide in with that.

S1

Ah.

S2

Ah. When men don't want to date me because I'm a career focused woman. Well, those men can. I actually.

S1

Generally think. And from a lot of friends I've spoken to a lot of men. Ah. And it's not. I understand why like where it's come from. Like internally. It's not right. But they are intimidated by a partner that would make more money with them than them, or have more success than them.

S2

Sad. That's very sad. Oh.

S1

Don't stop your career because of it.

S2

Oh. My boyfriend. Absolutely not. Oh, no. What are we entering on? Yeah. You know. Ah, this one's fine.

S1

This one. I think this is fine. This is okay. Australian man to do this. Yes. A guy once took me on a date to a fish and chip shop. Ah, I think that's that's fine. What? One of my dream dates is like. I don't sitting at a table across from each other because I'm awkward as worst night. I'd just, like, so awkward. I don't like silence. And I feel it.

I talk to you. I just say so many things. Anyway, for me, going for a walk or like going and getting fish and chips and like sitting on the beach or something, or somewhere, like at a park where you're not, like directly facing each other. And there's some time where you just like looking, you know, to eye contact the whole time. I think that's really good. So I think it's good.

S2

That's fine. Using your hands, that's fine. He's already not the type that you need to, like, order a salad around and worry about, you know, food going everywhere because he's ordered you finger food. As long as he.

S1

Doesn't just get chips and potato cakes, like, at least get a gym sim in there. I think it would be more about that. Anyway, that was actually really depressing, and I'm really sorry that this is if you don't, for all of our international listeners outside of Australia, if you don't come here, if you want to come to Australia for a boyfriend because we both.

S2

Date Australian men.

S1

Well, yeah, but I do.

S2

Plenty of Australian men who are fine. There's obviously just a huge sea of them with massive egos, and it's very sad.

S1

The fact that the TikTok person said this has never happened in any other country. It's very sad. I think Australian men are these IT thing that's not changing in this equation. Interesting. Anyway, and obviously, as I said, this is not all Australian men. There are lovely, wonderful Australian men here and people, but there are also some bad fish in the sea.

S2

You've had fish in the sea.

S6

So what is your temperature? What is it? Time for special share.

S7

Shit.

S2

Aussie.

S1

Yes.

S4

I have a book for you today. Oh the book.

S1

Did your book okay? My book is good material by Dolly Alderton. Oh yes. Yeah. And I really liked it. It is about dating. It's the most real experience. Basically, it's a couple breakup and then it's the experience of mainly 80% is the guy. Oh, actually, I reckon 90% is the guy's experience of the breakup. He's the one who's broken up with. And then at the end you get to hear from the female perspective. And she was the one who broke up with him. Okay. It is

so interesting. And it is the most when I say interesting to read the actual reality of a breakup, because I feel like there's a lot of like online. It's like, just get over it. It's like people break up with people. It is what it is, whatever it's actually and like to actually go into the detail of how it impacts someone's life in, like all facets was it was so honest and just I was like, fuck, this is actually

so true. And then also from the perspective of the person who broke up with that person, yeah, it doesn't mean it's not just it's not easy for them and it's and it also goes into like there's so many reasons why because so often you were saying like, oh, it's because there's someone else. But that's not often the reason. There's so many other reasons why people break up. It was, I have to say, if you are reading it or you want to read it, it's too long in the middle.

They could have I just I think 20% of the man's story could have been cut out. It was bits where I was like, do I keep going with this book? But I'm very glad in the end that I've read it and I persevered. So it's definitely special. I do recommend reading it, but don't give up in the middle where you're like, this is dragging on because I did drag in the middle, but then it was a really good at the engine. Good start. Yeah. Nice. Yeah, yeah. So recommend.

S2

I'm excited.

S1

To read it. Yeah. You'll like it.

S2

My book is called the Seven Year Sleep. By Ashley Paulson. And I really enjoyed it. It is about can I say the color? Yes you can. It is about a girl who moves into her aunties, her late aunties old apartment. Um, and it's there's a bit of magic to the apartment. And that made it sound like a like a fantasy. It's not. Um, it's more like I'm trying to think of that movie, that classic movie where they're, like, leaving letters. And the person who lived there years ago, what was

that movie called? I don't know.

S5

Oh, the lake house?

S1

Yes, the lake house.

S2

It's kind of like there's two decades of it happening in the same location anyway. Um, it's a really beautiful love story. And also just a cool story about a woman in New York. Um, as a publisher, a book publisher.

S1

I think I'd love it. It's good. Any book set in New York? I also love reading about book publishers. Laughs I just, I really any magazines, publishers, I just it's good. I love those stories. I'm gonna read it like.

S2

Little bits throughout the book that like all then like it just there's a lot. It just makes sense, make sense, make sense, make sense. I really miss it. Uh, 300.

S1

Something. Okay, so not too long.

S2

No no no. Okay. No no no. Um, fairly easy read, but I just really enjoyed it. It was nice. Thank you.

S1

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