How about, Friends welcome, once again to coffee colloquium with you, Mauricio and Raúl Cortés. Throughout history, religion has played a fundamental role in the lives of different civilizations and peoples. Although there are different doctrines, some elements are common to many groups, including faith in a higher entity, the realization of sacred rituals and, in some cases, belief in reincarnation. How are
you, Raúl, How are you, Mauricio? All right, well- welcome sir, to say something different and interesting about the theme of incarnation. What you can think of when I say reincarnation. In which country do you think man of a one like moving to India immediately will be because that' s where most we see information about this kind of situational view is possibly,
but later we' ll look at that. Maevo, Bueno, Raúl, a very special greeting also for all our subscribers, listeners subscribers from here from the coffee colloquium studios. I want to say hello. I hope it has been a Holy Week of rest, that they have enjoyed it their way, that they have had a good time and well, soon to start, to continue with the normal year. Of course I do. Mauro, and it
is very interesting to return to the subject of reincarnation. Mauro, the religions I read, all the religions in the world have a belief system, they have a dogma, they have rituals and I, I think something and I
want to share it with you and all the listeners. And it is that if in many religions and especially those on this side of the world, let us say the West and our region, in Latin America, which is Catholicism or Christianity, whether Protestantism or Catholicism, we have been educated religiously and we firmly believe in heaven or hell or purgatory, in the intercession of the saints. This is all true. Why not also believe in maura reincarnation, why
not, why not? Likewise, it is perfectly possible, perfectly credible, just as we believe in the currents that everyone believes. It is true, of course, that they are spiritual religious in the thought of each one and as we have been raised as such, but it is what you say that is very correct, Raul, if we believe that Jesus died on a cross and went to heaven and that he came and paid for our sins the way they have taught us, because we do not believe that there is a clear
reincarnation and that theme and many other nuances. Then, along the course of the episode, we will then be talking about what reincarnation is the nuances, like is Raúl, which even deal with some events and testimonies that leave us surprised. I would like to remind our listeners not to forget to give it to me, not to forget to subscribe and Share We are very close to
the goal set. Remember that our email SKF of colloquium arroba gmail comt and Raúl, then I invite you to serve us a coffee and to start with this topic. Give him good coffee in hand. Then we start with today ' s theme, which is reincarnation. When we speak of recapture, what is reincarnation, man, Reincarnation, in simple words, is the rebirth of an individual after he dies. Let' s say the biological or the bodily that consciousness or that mind or that soul or that spirit or that spirit reborns
or has the successive existence in another body. That could basically be a definition of what reincarnation is, is having a rebirth, reincarnated after biologically dead in another body. And yes, more words. You didn' t just define it very well raul, very clear and there are a number of concepts. A lot of one of them is that you die, but you' re reborn as another person. Right, it doesn' t necessarily have to be a man. She may be a woman too, but the matter is carnal.
But we also believe that we are told to be reborn in any other animal or any other form of biological pathway as such. True, they even dare to say that plants also participate. There are very tremendous beliefs there, but that' s what we' re going to see and see that in that order of ideas. I would like to quote the historian Herodocto, who was a Greek historian. It turns out that he, speaking of the Egyptians, now quotes, says the following. Egyptians are the first to uphold the
doctrine that man' s soul is immortal. And that when the body perishes it is introduced into another animal that they are doing. Then, after going through all the land animals, the sea animals and the volatile animals, it is reintroduced into the body of a man at birth and its cycle is completed in a period of three thousand years. There are Greeks who adopted this doctrine, some before and some later, as if it were their own invention.
Although I know their names, I don' t write them. He ends up saying Herodoctor and how interesting that, although I know his name, he didn' t write them. Who was he referring to, but possibly Mauros was referring to Plato, possibly he was referring to Pythagoras. I think more
like Pythagoras. Mauro then looks at this quote from this Greek historian, the hero, talking about Egyptian culture, which was one of the oldest cultures and in which we first began to talk about the immortality of the soul and a process of reincarnation. But then I invite you, I invite listeners to look into which religions began to shape the concept of reincarnation and how I believed it.
So look, if we go, for example, Hinduism, very interesting to see that in Hinduism reincarnation is a central concept in the cycle of life, death and rebirth. So they who believe, they believe that souls go through multiple lives based on the karma accumulated in past lives, that karma is the way you behaved. So that' s from Hinduism, from Hinduism.
Something similar happens with Buddhism. Not yes, from Buddhism the following raul is believed, and is that Buddhism shares a similar belief, for that of Hinduism, in reincarnation, where it is believed that souls go through cycles of birth, death and rebirth, death and rebirth influenced by action, by past actions, or rather, by karma what you did, for in other true lives.
However, the ultimate goal in Buddhism is to reach nirvana, and that is the nirvana that is basically to get out of those wheels, raul, of reincarnation, of that wheel and it is already like in that face of tranquility and to become part of that of the whole as such, nirvana is a state of the soul, not the sky, not for that, but a state of this tranquility, that liberation is basically a state of liberation from the cycle of reincarnation and from the same life, for it is material.
That' s good Mauroy man and listener. There is a religion called Jainism.
That is very interesting for this religion, because they are very, very, very, very attached and very literal, I could say, very severe, very orthodox in that as far as respect for life is concerned, imagine that they are so respectful of this that they use to speak a veil as a kind of mouthcap that they put so that when they utter words that have much ceased that explosion when uttering the word does not make it into the air to the wind, because it also has life. The Jainists or the Jainists.
It is believed that in reincarnation, as part of the cycle of the Sansara wheel, that the wheel reaches that wheel where you are born dies reborn, you die until you clean your can karma. So, in that real censara is where souls go through multiple cycles of life influenced by past actions, be it karma. Something about that and remembered you know that so that they
get an idea that maybe isn' t of the same dimensions. But remember that movie of Tibet where seven years in the Tiberian you remember that he is doing a construction and the monks who are helping are very attentive to the organisms that are on earth and not going to harm any kind of life, of some form of life. Well, that can be more or less dimensioned in this movie, as such you speak of Jainism. That' s right,
there' s one that' s pgism. This is also very interesting, because in cycling it is believed that reincarnation as part of the cycle of birth and rebirth. Souls are continually reincarnated until they attain spiritual liberation and unite with God. It' s something I think the same thing, but to put it another way, I don' t horo that religion of cykhism. It is important to give clarity and is that cykhism is a truly new religion.
He is from India and was born in the 15th century and has a lot, therefore, of what is Jainism, Hinduism and something also of Buddhism. But when we talk about religions and beliefs, you know who doesn' t get out of there too. Indigenous religions and religions of spirituality are also well involved. It' s just that Mabro looks at the theme you' re
dealing with of these indigenous religions and the system of spiritual beliefs. These religious groups also hold the belief in reincarnation, although the beliefs in reincarnation are very different, let us say so, according to culture and religion. So these
are some of the main religions that believe in reincarnation. But it must be borne in mind that there are other traditions and belief systems that also embrace this concept in different ways and according to the contexts where they move, for example Mauro. There are some esoteric traditions, such as non- stylistism, neo - paganism, theosophy, which was created by a German and certain branches of
Western mysticism also believe in reincarnation. And we are already talking about movements of religious mystical knowledge from the West, not necessarily Asians, or the Middle East or East, but the West. You know, it really caught my attention when we were doing the research, you know, the incarnation. I believe that also Christianity, in its primary stage, also hears or calls the song
that belief of reincarnation. Man one might say no, which is quite the opposite, but it seems that, as you indicate to him, yes, in the early years of Christianity, in the new Testament itself there were some references to the truth of the phenomenon of reincarnation. It is said that it would simply try to interpret some evangelical dogmas in a way different from what is still considered today and valid for the religious institutions we know today, such as
the Catholic Church, the Orthodox Church and Protestants. That there are in Protestants enter all evangelical movements or twentycostal movements. It turns out that there was a reincarnation current, but it did not manage to dominate within the Christian church, because the Church' s parents, when we spoke of the Church' s parents, were those who laid the foundations of Christianity, and there they were
already formed, because Catholicism protestantimor orthodoxy. These priests of the Church condemned authors as filon and origins who were also theologians who, as convinced Christians, wrote works explaining pre- existence. You know the pre- existence. Mauro had
other videos exactly the fact that he lived there. Then they were not happy with this, who were professing philoni and origins and some other followers to the fathers of the churches were very well with these two philosophers, with these two theologians or also fervent Christian and in an ecumenical council that they held in the city of Constantinople in the year five hundred and fifty- three s Christ was
forbidden reincarnationism, but look that until that time there were even devout Christians who believed in pre- existence and reincarnation, that is, by decision of some men of flesh and bone people. Then they decided that they didn' t say so. Let' s just say this doesn' t go with the PhD of Christianity. Let' s just as they brought out books, also gospels that they said, They said they were apocrypha and brought it out, but they have much value, like the gospel of Judas, like the Night
Book. They also took him out of the Canon of the Bible and as much as the Gospel of Thomas, like many texts that even found in the cave with ran these characters who are the ones who put like the ones who handle the canon, which means the measure the rod, because they say that these texts are not inspired by YOU. And if they say that not inspired ahead of the good sacr, as we are developing the topic, we are realizing that this is not something exclusive to India. No, not at all.
We can find as a reference of ancient Egypt, but also the Greeks, the Christians themselves in their early stages there is something, there is another more than that which you spoke of was Vedism, of Vedism India. Mauro said the Bedis. Mouro did say that in Vedism, in books like the Ubanized, Hispanized or the Vague Aguita, he explains the body as an illusion. That makes a lot of sense to me. It is that Mauro basically means that our bodies truly represent reality. I mean, you and I are
beings. We could say spiritual, asking in this reality or occupying this body, but they really are not. We are not spirits or souls who are apparently seeing this reality in some bodies, it is not true, but from elchos we are manifested that we are prisoners of the bodies of these bodies. They said that yes, of course, that we do not make the illusion that they are true, when in reality they are just appearances that our souls
adopt to purify and achieve final salvation. And that transcendence and I find it very interesting. It strikes me very much, because it is that who has not thought at some point that this is really like a prison and people, when they are already very old, want to free themselves. And the same apostle Paul, in the book of Romeros, said miserable of me and who errs and truths this body of death and sin you remember and of course,
many think of that. Suddenly you don' t think about youth, but I think that in the years of old age, because it was already very much so. I think you' re starting to think that way. I guess you start thinking the body is already out, so you already start to weigh the body, you start to feel the tired person. But how interesting what the Upanishads and the Vaguita Waga say, that this is not the ultimate
reality, this body we think reality, but it is an appearance. It seems to me they are very wise books, you knew Mauro that the Upanishad and the Agita Waga, which is the song of Lord Khrisna. These books are much older than the Bible. Yes, total, much older too much and they don' t precede it in twenty years, no, no, in thousands of years, thousands of years. Then I find the reading of
the Vagaba guita very interesting. I have it and speak about the soul, the permanence of the soul and the spirituality of a very pretty and the upanized, which are also ancient religious poems, also have a lot of wisdom that said floor, but it is that you said it now not only Hinduism, cykhism, chintoism, bedism, there was also in belief, in the reincarnation
of Pythagoras and Platonics. For example, Pythagoras said that the soul does not pass from one body to another among higher races, but does so among all living beings, as his doctrine of the kinship of all living beings or universal sympathy says. However, it can serve as a point of reference for us to understand the concept that the Greeks or that Hellenistic culture had of what reincarnation
was. You know one thing Mauro and it is very interesting this aspect that the Greeks handled in reincarnation, but they had a variant that called the transmutation or transmigration of the soul, the transmigration of the soul, and it was that when a person was dying in his physical, biological body, the soul went out and entered another being it was called the transmigration of the soul,
but it was also a species of belief in reincarnation. Well, raul, right now, let' s start talking about what interests us, in fact, what draws our attention, what motivates us, because to generate that curiosity. Yeah, because everything we' ve said so far is theory. Yeah,
let' s talk about the Maura cases. There are many, there are many, but let' s try these minutes remaining, let' s try to address one of Mauro Te brought you and the listeners, the case of the Poloc sisters surname Poloc. It turns out that on May 5th of a thousand nine hundred and fifty- seven, to be very exact, one Sunday they lived near the sea in the north of the Bay. His name was Willay Bay. This family, Apollo, was headed very hurriedly. They
were going fast for the church. The family is made up of the father, the mother and the daughters of the marriage, who were Johanna eleven years old and jack Line is six. Then the girls went ahead, so Rana and Jack Lin did go ahead, because to get there quickly, quickly to the church and across the street to reach that destination, to which they were going with great haste. Unfortunately, they were run over by a vehicle that killed them in a violent way and ended up there with their lives. In
an instant, these little gems were killed. So, John and Florence, they were his parents. John and Florence Polloc, imagined that they could never recover between this terrible death, this brutal event and the death of their little daughters after a year of all that tormented loss, of so much pain, of so much suffering. As you think Mauro that the Pollok family surprisingly discovered
that they were again in pregnancy and Maurumote for twins again twins. They also again had twins who were born on October 4 in a thousand nine hundred and fifty- eight remember that they die. The two former gemelites that they had died in May of a thousand nine hundred and fifty- seven and in October of a thousand nine hundred and fifty- eight. They have them again and become pregnant and have two daughters and twins again. You know they were born
ten minutes apart. Then it was called remember, that the previous one called Johanna and Jack Line. These two were Gillian and Jennifer. Then things started to get weird, when the twins turned three and started talking. You know they started talking, talking like they lived before, talking like they were Johanna and Jackelin to remember their best or things. Imagine that they started each one
taking from the toys he had in his past life. They knew the tastes, they knew the friendly things was yours and they already knew the house,
the spaces, everything even the clothes, the clothes, the conversations. And the most disturbing thing the parents heard was when one day the two of them were sorita talking and saying remember when we died and as such it was so impressive if I remember blood coming out of my mouth when they ran over our car and started listening to that kind of thing and the parents were impressed, but it turns out that when they turned five, they stopped experiencing those strange
behaviors. The same age in which some people who devote themselves to this issue claim. It is the limit to remembering past lives when it seems to you, because tremendous tremendous, if, you remind me of when you talk about the limit, it will remember a very nice text. I recommend it for listeners and it' s the most beautiful story in the world. Yeah, that' s where I leave the data for them to listen to. It
' s very interesting. Raúl there is a case that in those days of investigation, reverent to the issue of reincarnation, there is probably a lot, yes, but I consider this soon one of the most relevant, with more excitement than we could talk about. And it' s actually very, very, very attractive, shocking, shocking. It smells like your head' cause it' s really tremendous. Look I' m going to tell you about a lady named Chanti Tevit Chanti davy c of India that this woman was from
India. I tell you, this woman was born on December 11th of a thousand nine hundred and twenty- six and her life ended on December 27th. Also in December of nineteen hundred and eighty- seven, she was born in New Deli. It turns out that this woman, being a child, was about six to seven or eight years old, begins to show her parents that she missed her former family, her previous family and said that she did not
belong to that family, that she already had another family. The parents, they said, but like that, if you' re our daughter, you ' re born, there' s your mom, I' m your dad, start that Chally insistence. When they take it very seriously, parents start investigating. There' s a man, a research scientist who' s dedicated
specifically to this, a man of a lot of reindeer. This is taken to the newspaper, a newspaper that spreads throughout India and this gets to the ears, nothing more and nothing less than Gandhi, that interesting and right now, that was so relevant, so tremendous this case, that Gandy forms a commission to follow it up, to see how true it was that they get
in touch with the other family. But wait for me to put you in context this girl being a child, I said I have a husband, a girl like that seven years, seven years or so, I have a husband. My husband is more or less a chubby man, has a mole or wart on his face and wears glasses to read it. As I tell you, New Delhi was born, but then she says that her place of origin was a city that was one hundred and fifty kilometers from New Delley, as
they get in touch with that family. According to the references he had given to the girl, this man can' t stand it and goes all the way to New Deli to meet this girl, who claimed to be his wife of the previous life. Get to this girl' s house. The first thing the girl does is that she hangs this man' s neck with tears in her eyes and recognizes him as her husband. He does the same with
his son. This goes further. It begins, as I say, to follow up on this case with the Commission of which I tell you that Gandhy Van conformed to this population with this girl arrive in the Plaza del Pueblo and say, start to recognize the whole square. It says here is such a building, this way was that I was walking this way is where I was passing it. Anyway, he gets out of the car and says he wants to walk like when you already have the tour in your head. When you
go home, start walking. He arrives at the house and as he went to the house like anyone else, like a wild man. It says here this wasn' t here before, here was a house, there was already a building. There lives Doña Julana of such this is my neighbor so and finally arrives at the house. When he gets home, that' s where
the surprises start. You recognize your father- in- law. Says this is my father- in- law, apparently her husband, for he was a man who had a temperament as he was very nervous, but they were like a rather primary nervousness. Then she suddenly became violent, aggressive and, apparently, much discussed the horita that she began to tell her a number of things, for there they were surprised. And one of the things that the next rapul does goes to a matera, what they call elsewhere a pot and
basically I' m talking about a matter. It is where we sow a dough, then ornamental for the house. They dig this kill and discover a ring there. A ring was the wedding ring, that is, the marriage ring. Ulta that she had had an argument with her husband in the previous life, where she takes off the ring and the husband claims it, already tells her I lost it as so you lost it where I lost it.
He never meant to tell him where he had lost the ring, as it turns out he goes and digs into that matter and there' s the ring. And he tells her. What happens is that I was very upset with you and I didn' t mean to tell you that I had buried and niched that I had a lot of anger with you. Turns out there was the ring. But there' s something even more tremendous going on and she
' s telling her to come, I' ll show her where. It is that you keep the silver and went and showed him the specific place, the cove where the guy kept the silver, that only he and she knew it as such, there were around him a thousand rupees that the lord had there stored. I didn' t know that, but that family. What? What? Possibilities. I knew this girl knew where she was going.
It' s impossible. She makes a lot of grumbling claims to the one she supposedly was her husband in the other time, in her previous life, which apparently she kind of put up a lot of pain to die, tells her you promised me you weren' t going to remarry and she went home and he was married again. Then it was one of the claims that I told him because I had failed him and claimed that when he arrived at the
house they had moved all the furniture, they had changed places. She didn ' t like it, because she liked how she had her furniture, because before, true, that woman never married, she never had another family and as I tell you, because she in weak chantip as such was born I repeat, a December 11th of a thousand nine hundred and twenty- six and died a December 27th of a thousand nine hundred and eighty- three sixty- eight years. Yeah, but he tells you one thing in his previous life.
She was born on January 18, nineteen hundred and two, and died on October 4, nine hundred and twenty- five, reincarnated about the following year. He reincarnated like the following year, but died very young. In
his previous life he also died about twenty- three years old. This case is known as one of the most relevant cases, most tremendous of which they have investigated about reincarnation, and the city of birth was Endeli and the city before it was that it is one hundred and fifty that the other era. That' s good. Amazing case. Unbelievable, because one leaves it as very thoughtful. There' s also Mauro in the case of a four- year- old boy named Billy. That happened in Australia, a four-
year- old boy when he finished. To be good, tremendous. It ' s very tremendous, because this four- year- old boy claimed to be the reincarnation of the deceased Lady D. It seems to you that the boy is the son of a famous singer back in Australia, named David Campbell,
and this is the lord of Vic Cambell. He says that in various statements the child expressed when he began, when he was two years old, he began to speak from the age of two, and began to declare that he was or had been Lady d even though he was a child who had never heard of the British royal family, since a two- year- old boy who was going to hear that and look at what he expresses. This kid looks at me when I was a princess, Billy told his parents.
After seeing a photograph of who was the first wife of Prince Charles of England, that is, of Lady the parents were seeing a magazine by chance came the photograph of Lady D and the child exclaims in that way. That' s me when I was Lady D' s princess. And that' s
not all. Imagine that David Campbell commented that the child has reported that he had a brother named John, and it should be remembered that the princess had Diana a brother named John Spencer. So, imagine a two- year- old going out with that and another of the aspects that are like the most striking about Billy is that he says and describes with luxury details the castle of Valmoral that is in Scotland, which belongs to the English royalty. This kid
can count on hairs and signs like that residence inside and out. So look, and we' re talking about it, the interesting thing about talking about this topic, Raul, is that he comes back and I repeat, he ' s not an exclusive phenomenon of India. Look, we' ve already jumped to Australia, Australia, and this kid says he was a lay person in his other life, a tremendous two- year- old up to four.
Speaking also of the subject ClauI. There are many cases, there are many cases that we could talk about, but there is a very interesting case that we talked about and you told me I was also doing a little research about a child. It' s that with planes, yes, but, as you say, man could look for us here time. And that' s not the case either. The thing or the case you say in America, and it' s James Laininger' s, is in America. James
Laineger was a child who liked to play with only one thing. You know with that airplanes and only with planes. So, when the boy turned two, everything changed and I' m going to tell you how the kid started having horrible nightmares related to war aviation. His mother used to wake him up while shouting things like the boy in the middle of his weight, she screamed a flaming plane. The man can' t get out. Dead man.
Anyway, the nightmares didn' t stop and his parents came to a therapist named Carol Bogman, who was dedicated to the study of reincarnation, who worked on the case and managed to attract the memory of the diverse child RNS remember he said, You know what he said, that he had been a war pilot in World War II and belonged to the American army, belonged to the American air force. As you think, because Mauro, already as you said, now we move from India to Australia and now there is another case in
the United States. Yeah, so look, it' s not just isolated cases. There are many cases and the shudders that this child gave very clear data. This boy James Laineger is now about twenty- five years old. Yes, it turns out that when he begins to speak, the parents begin to investigate him, and he begins to make drawings as well. He'
s starting to draw some pictures. Where the plane is like landing on a plane, landing on an aircraft carrier and says I lent this child that then, to surprise the parents, the child tells them that he was landing on a ship called Nathoma, as the mother went to intern and put a shot and appeared or that scene ana Toma Bay, which was an aircraft carrier of the time in World War II. Imagine, then, subsequent conversations with the
minor this revealed that Jack Clarsen, who would have been his combat pilot, who was on that boat and who lived in Arkansas. The father, when he heard that, began to investigate, that' s not true. Then he did not hesitate to visit the man since the boy mentioned and he re told him that the only pilot of the declared missing crew was a twenty- one- year- old named James M. Houston Jr. Apparently, this boy James had been in another life. Pilot James M. Houston Jr.
Pretty interesting this case and I was talking about three guys. He was playing and naming his characters, and he was talking playing with these Ja Joe dolls. He named them Leon, Walter and Billy. Then the parents of this child decided to investigate and discovered that these names match three real names of the BC squadron. Eighty- one himself who belonged to Jae Houston, the missing 21- year- old pilot, and who also died in battles to his
three characters. When they asked the child why those names, he said because they greeted me in the sky after crashing me. Very tremendous, very tremendous this matter of the reincarnation roul already coming to the end of this episode, final conclusions, I ask You and also ask our listeners and how rich they would tell us about this. But it has not happened to you that you sometimes have a lot of attraction for a certain culture and because you have finished
tastes for certain tastes or what they call jabuo jabuo. How interesting that topic that you think you' ve already lived that you' re seeing that you feel that you' ve already been there, that you already lived x thing or when you came to a certain place and you say I was already here, or I feel that it' s family that lived, that it' s very familiar to you, it didn' t happen to you, yes,
of course it happened to me at some point. I had that feeling on the beach, as I was running around feeling like I was on a beach or submerged in the East Sea, I came to feel that and wanting and telling me about dreams, when you dream of these dreams that are so lucid, so vivid, so vivid, where some scenarios beat you, in some locations that such as you were in some other life, that you probably went in another life and that you feel that you are in a part as
well as familiar. Well, Mauro, I' m concluding the subject so we don' t get too long. I think it' s feasible. It is also possible to believe in reincarnation, as we can believe in eternal life, as we can believe in hell, in heaven, in paradise. I believe that it is also possible and it may be quite possible that there is why, because we have a bias of Western religions who believed little or
wanted to deny the issue of respite. But I think that, opening one a little and not being so closed, reincarnation can be something real, it can be something true, it can be something feasible and why not. Why there won' t be anything else after life. We don' t know, or there' ll be life after life. We don' t know it, but we have a choice to consider it. That' s free. It does no harm to anyone and why not, why not contemplate that
possibility. You have to be open to all the possibilities, to be open to all these kinds of beliefs and, above all, to practices that can provide you as a better person. Well, we' re at the end of this episode. We really hope you liked it. We hope they will write to us, tell us about their experiences. We' ll be very attentive, raul We' ll hear each other in an upcoming episode. Now and listeners. See you soon, see you soon. You just heard Café
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