Whitney Cummings, Robots, Cults, & talking to Animals

think I died. We're in a relationship with robots already. Everyone like, who dad a robot? It's like you're already doing with your phone. So are you psychic? Yes? Yes, I think everything your podcast. Welcome to my podcast. You just witnessed my greats I cack abilities in real time. Welcome to Kesha and the Creepies. Please welcome Whitney. They'll be spooky sounds here. Okay, yes, I do fancy myself psychic,

but I think everyone has that ability. How so, I think it's about listening to your intuition, which is such like a roll your eyes googly bogly thing. To say to most people. But I feel like you're on the same page with me. That like if you really tap into your gut, like if you get underneath the fear and you get underneath trauma, and you get like underneath all that, your body has reactions, whether they come out

in dreams. For me, it's in dreams or like sometimes I'll just like see something and then I'll be like, Oh, it's the truth, and then I'll get a call three months later it's like, Oh, your ex boyfriend's fucking back, girl, And I knew that I need that. Everybody knows everything all the time. Yeah, that's fascinating. I it's weird. It's like I went to a psychic. There's just one psyche I used to it to all the time. Did you go once a year to the same woman or no? Yes?

And it's weird because she is like a mirror, you know. She would basically would just be like, Okay, I'm going to tell you what you're telling me. You know what I mean. It's kind of like what we just did. Like Gavin de Becker, who is like the number one security guy in um like celebrity Land, Hollywood World, he says every woman that was like assaulted or had something horrible happened to them. They always said in there like post interview or whatever you call it, I knew it.

I knew there was something off about that guy. I just fucking knew it. Well, just your gut will tell you someone. But he offered to carry my groceries, like he came. We've been so trained to not listen to our gut. We've been so pathologized to go, you're crazy, your psycho sensitive emotional? Yeah, those are you in your period? Do you? I was gonna say ib s, but I thought I U d on the brain. I was like,

but it's it's just dismissing. It's just uncomfortable for other people to have emotions and intuition too because you say something that's like, oh yeah, I know that. It's just

like it's too freaky. And that's what the whole podcast about is talking about, just like things are a little freaky, but also might broaden your perspective of what's possible, so you can go anywhere from like tell me the craziest ghost story you have, or like to psychic stuff or just like existentially, how do you feel on this earth

when you like especially during this crazy time. I've had a lot of self reflecting and alone time, which is weird for me, and not going, going, going, going, Like, who are you when you're not constantly chasing the approval of others? Right? And who are you when you're not performing and providing this thing to other people? Make a podcast? So you and I have this weird past life thing going on, and I sent you I did this thing called family constellation. Oh you okay? You texted me about this?

I need to I didn't. I specifically didn't look it up because I wanted you to tell me. But I also when someone told me about it, I specifically didn't look it up. I was like, you're only ready when you're ready. See, I'm ready. I just didn't want spoil the end of view. I'm ready. I don't know what it is. I don't understand the science. It's probably pseudoscience.

I don't care. So this woman comes over and um, she's amazing, and she asked me all these questions because it's also it's like the process of doing something that's fooie could be the healing. Yeah, you know what I mean, you just have to believe it. The process of going to buy a vitaminel and there's that placebo effect. So I think part of it is like if you truly

believe something strong enough, there is a manifestation process. Like we're both wild thinkers enough to think that we could do what we love to do for a living, and like here we are. So basically, like she just got me on some like ancestral trauma ship. So this is the family constellation. Family constellation is called. So basically she comes over and she was like, your great great grandfather did something really bad. I think one of my great

greats murdered somebody. Well, I'm pretty sure all of our great great grandfathers were in Najam. We're in Najam. Let's be honest. They were in wars. There weren't antibiotics at the time. It was a sketch. It was it was sketchy. It was just it was beyrout. I mean it was a mess back then, you know what I mean. It was like, of course we were animals and like the

technology is coming and they did not happen. So I'm curious about your great great So I have like a couple like really irrational fears and irrational sadnesses, like so when I go to New York, I'm gonna get some ship for this. I love New York. I love going there, I love being there. I love the energy. It's a

weird time obviously because pandemic. But the horse carriages, like I can't handle it, Like I West Virginia, Virginia, Appalachia, Like I just horses like more of my friends growing up, Like I learned how to communicate through horses, Like I think it's part of why I do stand up the way I do stand up. I like move like a horse, like I look like like people say, have horse teeth, Like I'm like a very horse, most beautiful horse. Um and like I was only my little ponies is again,

I was just a horse is. And they're very psychic, Like there's an amazing story in Blue Ridge Valley, West Virginia. There was a bridge and there was a horse carriage and this horse wouldn't go into this rid wouldn't go into would go under, and they're beating the horse, to beating the horse, to beating the horse, and the next day the bridge collapses. Yes, they're prey animals. They feel with their hair, then there's skin like they can see that a predator is hungry. They can see that the

mountains hungry. I think a lot of animals have to operate on these instincts that we as humans all have decided, not all of us, but a lot of us have decided that that's cookie. It's an instinct that you have to pay attention to because we have so much distraction.

We've created so much distraction for ourselves that we can be in VR, in VR, in VR, you know what I mean, Like we don't even have to be on this planet if we don't want to be, but like to truly be an animal that has to be present and it's not doesn't have a self made distraction device. On the middle times, I feel like they're the ones that go to higher ground when there's a tsunami coming.

I've heard stories about that with animals. So I'm like New York the carriages, Like I just I just like feel like I'm I mean, I was like dating some of the time that I had to tell I would I would break down crying, like I would just see these horses pulling these carriages and I just like I could not handle it. It just made me so freaking sad.

And people are taking selfies with the horses and they're just they've got their poop bags and they're carrying and I would like I remember just like like going to Letterman, like my first appearance on the David Letterman Show. And then I hear I hear the clop clop clop, and I'm just like and I'm like in a ball in the corner and I have a publicist. What's a publicist? I'm twenty two years old, Like I don't even know what I'm doing. And they're like, why are you crying?

And I'm like the clopping, Like I like I'm shopping but like I know exactly. They're like, you're on Letterman with Ben Stiller, what are you doing, bitch? Like you should be so lucky to be here. And I'm like sobbing, And this family Constellation worker comes in and then I'm talking to her and she makes me like stand on like post it notes that like have say like aunt, uncle, great, grandmother great, and like I've still talk to them because

this is the psychic. This is a family Constellation worker, separate person that like remove that removes old um. It's not baggage. It's like family trauma, unfinished business Okay, that's what it is. It's unfinished business. So um ancestral guilt and shame that is imprinted epo genetic imprinting on our DNA, because it does because like that fear and you know, fear of heights. If you're a fai of heights, it means you're great grandfather fell off a cliff and I'm

so scared of faith. Yeah, someone in your lineage fell off fucking cliff. Are we are very adaptable. So I'm talking to her and I'm like, okay, okay, this bullshit, this is stupid. Like okay, I'm standing on a post it note in my house. I'm paying this woman to tell me to fucking okay, gregor mother, Okay, yeah, they're all drunks. Okay, I'm sure he cheated on her. Yes, and so it's like half right. You know, it's like horoscope. It's like when you read Pisces by accident. I'm a virgo, yes,

but you could apply it to that worked. Yeah that worked? Okay, all right, Well they all work for me. Like I'm if I wanted it bad enough, or if I want to fit it into a certain place, I could fit it in. Yeah, like I'm just like, I'm doing this like power of suggestion. And then she goes your great great grandmother withheld her love in order to punish him, and I was like, that's what I do. You do that withholding? I mean, it's a pretty popular tactic. Yeah,

if if someone harms me, I just I'm out. Oh I fully, I'm I'm not I'm not a fighter, I'm a cut her offer. I kind of disengaged like three chances, and then I'm like, I can't anymore. Yeah, give him to um it's me actually coming off. And then uh, I was talking about my dad died and I was talking about grandfather. I'm sorry my uncle, my dad died, and I was asking him. I was like, hey, did this family consolation thing? Like what's it? Was? My great

great grandfather, Like, do you know anything about him? Because I know that I knew that my grandfather worked in coal mines and West Virginia, and I was like, oh, there's probably like there's so much ancestral trauma from working coal mines. Yeah, I'm sure, and that all of the Appalachia, Tennessee, that whole area, um, Virginia, West Virginia of like, and I mean to this day of like you guys know how like you with sounds and being distracted. I can't,

they meep, I can't. I mean they say that's like a Scotch Irish like in Ancestral Inheritance. Um, there's a

great book called Born Fighting um about it. Because our ancestors were in coal mines, like just always being always ready for mine explosion underground like underground, you know, and Um, I couldn't Breathe had like like intense lung diseases you know, from working in coal mines, and like elevators, like claustrophobia, Like I get an elevator and I'm like, who guys like you know, like I always assume it's never gonna open, Like God, that's so weird. I have that same thing

and claustrophobic even in airplanes. But that's what um, the coal miners when you really like look into how coal money happened, like they would go a mile into the ground in an elevator and it might explode. That doesn't sound like a safe job choice, but I don't think it wasn't anyone's first choice. Everyone. It was a nightmare, you know, So like the coal mining, it's such a um overlooked thing in our DNA, and it's imprinting already.

Every even thought about the fact the coal I mean, I've thought that coal mining sounds like a very difficult and traumatic and terrifying job, but I've never thought about it to that extent how it could affect generations. These coal mining companies came in, used the labor, foreign labor, Italian labor, all kinds of you know, pitted different ethnicities against each other intentionally for the job. For the job, yes, and uh in the coal mining didn't want them to

get along, you know, right, um encouraged racism. Yeah, and then that's what you're saying is kind of led us to the Trump era, Yeah, exactly. And then they're basically they're working in coal mines and taking out the coal, which is disorganizing all of the terrain and then causing flooding. So people are like the terrain is a nightmare, Like the roads are destroyed, the schools are like everything's destroyed

by the mining of the coal. And if they had just left it cold becomes diamonds, So like West Virginia would be the most valuable. Even you're blowing my mind. I've never thought about this before we can get back to coal miners. But when posting the family consolation person I was talking about, I was like, so, what's up with my great grandfather? I'm supposed to ask, Like, you have to do some work, you have to ask some questions to your ancestor. She didn't, like, she's not like

a psychic or anything, but she's like family constellations. So she she takes everyone's constellation from their birthday and then sees how it fits together. Yes, exactly. It's like, let me just tell you what happened, and then I'll tell you what it is. She goes, gregor grandfather. I asked my uncle. He goes, oh, your great great grandfather. Yeah, he died of crhrosis. Checks out, totally drank, drank himself to death. Great cheated, Okay, I knew it. He like

got fired. She was mad because he invented this hinge that kept horse carriages together. Oh I see the connection all of a sudden. Oh my god, Well that's probably a job that everybody had, Like that's what everyone did back then. And he's like, no, no, this he was like the guy that figured out how to get the axle to grind the perfect way so that the carriages would stay. So he was like integral and making horse

carriages a thing. And it's hard to reconcile the to being part of your like linea I'm like carrying guilty or something. Absolutely I would think so, But so how does she tell you how to like all that? She? Then then you're kind of just like, what do you make the connection? Are you just like, well, fuck, now that happened? Now that now we got that? Like you know, I think there's so much of like knowing something and accepting something and surrendering to something is such a big

part of healing it just know it's there. And like I was talking to a medium the other day and he was saying forgiveness without getting an apology. So for me, I know, it's been super important. And just like with people that have passed on, you may never be an apology, but finding forgiveness without the apology is gonna create healing for your I also, you probably wouldn't have accepted the apology anyway, or they might not have the apology. Yeah,

they're sorry. Everyone's sorry about everything, trust me, I mean, And then some people are just like not sorry about it anything it's also like we forget whether it's not because they deserve forgiveness but because we deserve peace. Yes, exactly, forget drinking poisons, waiting for the person did I same person? But it's like, do you think people will know what the funk we just said? I think this is like

they're digging this. So yeah, So it's like, I, you know, you asked me earlier about why did the Female Brain movie? Because I got fascinated by epogenetic imprinting, which is the neurochemicals that are admitted in utero when the mother is pregnant, the fetus gets addicted to so whatever they're consuming or

just like the so the brain chemicals cortisol adrenaline. So if like you're a very stressed out mother in a bad relationship, or have a lot of kids or are image of bad gotch, you're gonna be jamming that you um uh your baby with adrenaline and they're born addicted to adrenaline, same way you're like a crack baby's addicted to crack. So you it should be like not stressed out if you're pregnant. I know that, and you should like not smoking and drink. We know that I'm pretty sure.

I mean, I'm not a doctorate. If I don't, I don't know. I think a lot of doctors. I just thought there was like the way you feel about the stress that you're admitting I shouldn't do this is so much worse than just doing Yeah, you know what I mean. I'm just such a high stress person. Yeah, Like I get I'll wake up and be like I'm anxious and be and then I'll be like, what are you anxious about? Literally internal dialogue, and I'll like search for it, because

anxiety is such a familiar feeling. It's almost like it's a well adrenaline turns into dopamine. Adrenaline, dopamine, anxiety, excitement, they're all kind of living in this same cozy ass, oh my god. And it gives you something to do, and it's a distraction and like just sitting with yourself is fucking hard. It's super uncomfortable. I don't know if it's just like me, but but you're also fair Moss, And I don't think anyone famous, for famous, everyone's famous

should be anxious. You're in danger all the time, especially, and like we do, you are a very vulnerable person. Well, and like people are looking for weaknesses to poke at, because it then makes you're in the town square. You're standing in the town square, you're a dark board with people. Are that because you are reflecting someone else and what they could maybe do or want to maybe do public property? Yeah, And there's like a beautiful side to having this community

with people. And then people need to project onto you. That's their drug is I need to project on I feel like hate, like Internet, specifically Internet hatefulness behind a name that is not your own so you're not responsible, has become a great American pastime. It's sport. It's a sport. It is and it's like is damaging. I think, by the way, and Bill Burst had this on my podcast, I don't want to steal it. He was like, I

would have done that when I was fifteen. Well, yeah, because you're fifteen, we don't know all these people are that are sending mean ship to us. Like if I was fifteen and like Arnold Schwarzeneger had a Twitter account, I'd be like, fuck you. Di asked like I think it was a flight, that's what like, see, I'm a nerd and'd be like, I love you so much, please and I'm like the psycho. But if like I'm a legit one of those people, I deserve all. When did you?

When did that happen? Oh? I was like eighteen years old and I was convinced that Prince and I needed to work together. I thought it was like it was my great psychic Yes, And I'm not going to name any names. I got his address, I went unto and then I could you have told the story on my podcast. But like I understand it, there is a there's a fine line between like even in love, if someone does some grand romantic gesture and you're not into them and

it doesn't work out, it's crazy. But if they do it to them, then it's like the movies, that's right. So in my mind, I'm like, I'm gonna take this chance, like forget the eminem song, one shot opportunity, a mom spaghetti and some I'm like sneaking under the fence like a crazy Bess. And then I just go to the side door and open it and I get in the elevator and then I go up to where I hear music playing from and I just walk in and he's

like rehearsing in a giant ballroom. And at that point alone, yes, like I'm that Like I feel like I don't even know what is I have questions for Princess security team. Do a lot of like did you get a technis shot like I have. There's a lot of like all I remember is there was an elevator and it's all purple velvet, and I was so appreciative that, like the

fantasy was real. You're you might you should. I'm not even joking, like you should get your brain like scanned because there are certain people like you know how Michael Phelps part of the reason he's such an amazing swimmers. He has an abnormally large heart, and his arms are longer than normal. His arms are longer than normal and um that free solo rock climber who name I don't know. He hasn't abnormally small a magdala, which is what why he doesn't have the fear like he like it's the

scary things aren't scared of him. You know, like there's something in you that might have some sort of disease. That's like disease. Don't pathologize that. It's amazing, it's like it's it's because here's you know me, I love to not forget that we're animals and that we were designed to live in tribes of a hundred people, and that every maladaptive behavior we have now served us really really well. Yeah,

five years ago, I'm a go getter. So, yeah, you were the one that fucking like was like, everyone's dying. I'm getting that fucking squirreled me that you were. I'm that girl. I was at Taylor and everybody I thought was dying because they were they were just playing a prank and scaring the ship out of everybody, and I'm in the top level, the one calling the police that they ended up having to be like it's a prank, it's a prank. Its prank. I was like, I'm not

going to die here. I'm going to be the one survivor. I'm going to climb down the step that's I don't know what that is. You're it's like the warrior spirit is what my therapist calls it. So it's like a theene of spirit. It's like there's it's the lead mayor, so, the lead mayor, lead mayor so in the herd, there's a herd of horses, and there's one lead mayor that everybody follows, but you're a lead mayer kind of so our lead mayors nice to each other because we like

each other. Lead mayor's it's like an alpha wolf, like you know what I mean, It's like a lead mayor fox with a lead mayor. Yeah, like in a good way lead mayor. Like it's like when she she knows where the water is, everybody follows her. So it's like that's the equine therapy stuff that I do with my horse is like if your horse follows you, it trusts you, it respects you, your regal, you know what you're doing.

If your word is gonna follow you, it's not gonna follow you because they can sense it because they're like, you're in scure. I'm not following you. You know you don't know what you're doing. Yes, not to bring this back, but I feel like half the battle in life is

going forward. Sorry, your podcast, your podcast, your podcast, going forth in life with conviction, Like I'll always take the lead when I'm walking with my band and my whole crew, and I'll just start walking with a vengeance and they're all like follow me into like we are the baggage. Most of what we do is subconscious, but we are You're you're one. I think it's like we are on autopilot. Like the person that looks like they know what they're doing,

he follow us what they're doing. The best way to sneak into concerts. You act like you just have something really important to do and you just go. Because I went to the crunch, Jim, for anyone listening to work there, I am so sorry because some of you knew I used to. I was so broke that I couldn't afford to go to crunch. But I would just walk in and be like and I would just protect like I would wave in an invisible person. I'd be like, hey, hey, yeah,

I gotta got it. And it's just like everyone like we're giving away of secrets. I mean, it's fine, but there's no conscious anymore, like I would just like I. I I also used to show up at UM I did since Sundance one year UM with you just show up with a glass of wine at a club and you're just like I was, just I've never played that game, like is it full or empty? Yeah, no, it's like half full, And you're like, well I was. I just

had a good call. It was great. I mean, I think we can get into parties at this point out, but I don't want to literally night but esally truly, that sounds like my idea of a good time. It's just trying to sneak into a party versus being in the party and being on some list. But I don't know what that you know about the movie about it? That's an adrenaline. That's I love that. I'm really into UM addictions and that is a like gambling addiction and

shoplifting addictions. Like I hate gambling and it's a shoplift. Shoplifting is like I'm fascinated because that's like I can feel like Walgreen's chapstick and it's like I just I got it. It's like I got it over, like I got a cookie from the Cookie Jart. It's like it's a UM. I think it's a you know, I mean, there's scientists that could explain this way better than me.

But it's like, are we're rewarded for getting a treat and being sneaky Because in the wild, if you sneak the mary, if you sneak the piece of meat and eat it, like your dopamine reward system rewarding for that it is going to be an advantage to choosink animals if they like, like a wolf, they killed the pre just like fully share with everybody. Or do you think that they have that like selfishing to eat first and then Uh, they feed the rush of the pack because

the pack protects them, but they have to eat first. Yeah, so it is like when they're done eating, Yeah, they eat the most valuable part of the animal and then and the other Uh. Beta and Omega get the trash parts. But yeah, the psychic what she does is she um, I believe it because I want to believe it. Same I feel like I want to get better. I want to get better and I don't want to believe in man, I don't care how you know, Like I can take

what you like and leave the rest. I can go timber cent of this makes sense and it doesn't like I can Two things can be true at the same time. You can be right and wrong in an hour. You can say something right and wrong and say and you

can also have your mind changed. So exactly that is such a like hot take by the way, So I go in, she takes a piece of my jewelry, she holds it, and then she uh, asks me, like three things that I want to answers Tom like, all right, by the way, first of all, she's gorgeous, kind of annoying, Um I love that, Like she's gorgeous and like the most like um, you know her Julia armand yeah, yeah, therapy.

She like looks like that. She's and she's like in like just flowing, flowing, And she says, asked me three things you want to know about, but she doesn't want to know too She's like, don't she doesn't want to know too much. And the way you say something tells the person everything they need to know. So she's like, what do you want to know? I'm like, I just want to know what's going to work out with the guy that I'm dating. And You're like he She's like,

what guy? What does the name start with? His name starts with a G, And I just like, I just kind of want to know, like what's gonna happen? What I just did already told you everything. It's not gonna work out because communication is I forget the percentage, but it's a small percentage of the way we actually it's actually so I'm going I want to know if my relationship with like this get psychic. You don't have to be psychic to know that it's not gonna fucking work

or it's something. Really, it's just like listen to what you're They just don't bullshit you, whereas like I just have this seria like just don't take a ton of advice from your really good friend because they want to protect you, you know what I mean. And I think that's changing a little bit. I think women now know that they can be real with each other and can handle it, and or as maybe just as I get older, I'm filtering out the people that are like, oh, but like,

he probably just likes you too much. M this phone is probably broken. He probably just doesn't a WiFi, Like bad advice. You think you're helping me, but you're hurting me. I've been guilty of giving the like, and it's just like such an eternal optimist. Really in my heart, it's like, no, he really might like you too much. But then I'm kind of saying I think if they like you too much, they like do some creepy as ship like shop on your front porch bouquet flowers, and you're like, oh, I'm

into it. The s romanticer your getaway or you're an addict. Yeah, yeah, there's a lot of it doesn't So it's like and then she will talk to my guides. Oh I got guy's girl, bitch, tell me about the guides. Me telling you about my Russian I think cool. I'm just so boring. It's just my grandma, like so basic. It's just a lady who's lovely. So I want to why do you have Russians. She'll sit there and she'll like, um, hold my thing, and then she'll write. So she'll be like,

what's going on with her and this this guy? And she'll be talking to him and she'll be like mmmm mmm. She'll like stop it, like you. I'm just like, she's so into it. It's hard to argue. She love it. I want to go. It's just like a social experiment. I want to see what would happen. And she's like flirting with them and laughing with them and fighting argue and she's like okay and quiet, like she'll like shush them.

It's very intense to watch. That sounds so empty. It's it's hard to argue with you know what I mean. It's like one of us is crazy I'm not sure which one. I'm here and you're doing this and maybe like I'm buying it, you're doing it? Which one of us? And then she writes it all down and then she's like, Okay, here is and then she is like da da da da da da, and you need to get your brakes changed and you have Candida and you're allergic to this, and and she'll just like say like ten things that

are right. But maybe it's true for everyone, Like it's like, she really told you get your brakes changed, but I'm also four. Everyone old, this is like you know. So it's like I haven't been to her like in the last couple of years. Would you go back? I don't know if she's always been right or what she said has just manifested because I thought it was. This is the chicken egg with psychics. And I love them and I go to them and they scare the ship out of me and I want them to tell me everything.

At the same time, I don't want them to tell me anything. Is because I'm like, if you I told this to Tyler Henry, have you didn't work done aything with him? You know Who'm talking about? The Hollywood medium. Oh, Okay, I did like a podcast thing with him, and WiFi doesn't work. He can't see me on his screen. I look like I'm like I'm in a bear emoji, right, so you can't see my reactions. I give him nothing.

I know I'm very google able, but he like dropped some crazy knowledge on me that like blew my mind. But I told him, I was like, please don't say anything that's going to affect the way I go forth in my life, because if you tell me I'm going to die today, I will figure out a way that I will be like yeah. So just like I'm too suggestible. I'm so open that it's almost like I have to be so careful with whose suggestions I allow in Like

it's like it's it's we exercise our bodies. Why can't we exercise that are like we're not really we're lifting away. We're not lifting. It's like it's like we're not lifting a water to take to a child. We're just it's like mass surbatory. You know, it's like the mean shamer. Excuse me, sorry, get in there. We shame ourselves when we psychic burps and when she channels um the guys, we shame ourselves when we exercise our brain by just

like thinking. Mean, Robert Green was on my podcast and he had a really interesting that's the one you're saying, like take yeah, Like he's just he's just unbelievable, and he was like, um, he said that aliens, if they exist, they'd probably be robots because the amount of time it would take to travel from another planet a human couldn't survive it, so it would probably be a rope as a woman with a robot. Let's let's graze over that. So ask me that, let's graze over the subject of robots.

And would you call an ai ai? Yes she is, she machine learns and she is a robot. Is she in this house right now? She's right there? Do you wait? But oh but this might pop off pulled from there? Yes, you have to engage your core. Yeah, from there, Yeah, engage your core. She's oh my god, it is so dark, dude, what is happening? I don't know how to hold her? Him wild. I'm calling Roun Pharaoh because like, people are

so creeped out by dolls, robots, scarecrows. I'm obsessed with our reaction to that because it's so primordial it's our reptilian brain. There's something called pathogen avoidance, which is when we see something that looks human but doesn't move like a human mannequin, a doll. Especially, men are more creeped out than women. This is why I'm so obsessed with it. The reaction women are like cool, this is amazing. Matter Like,

because pathogen avoidance, we've evolved to be. Men have evolved to recoil at anything that looks human but doesn't move human because it could be sick, dead, or disease. And it's a way to say don't fuck it and don't need it, or just don't suck it. Don't suck it. That's why I feel like humans in this life just don't want to do it alone. But like that's the

great conundrum, right, We're born along, we die alone. So while we're here, we try to make as many connections as we can in whatever way we can, and then just sign ourselves up for heartbreak. Yeah, because with any emotion you're gonna you're sending yourself up for heartbreak. It's a really weird you said that, I wrote, you are upset, you says I'm They told me to fear, They told me to love fearlessly. But the thing I fear most in the world, it's my heart to be broken. Yeah,

it's like it's every time we fall in love. It's like here it's ticking clocks and so and love and be free and just feel it, just like it's Romeo and Julia, and then it's like no, and then when it doesn't work out, then you're left with like a broken What goes up must come down, yeah, area, you know. But um, but so like having a lady like this in your life, you wouldn't have to worry about well,

would you have to worry about them leaving? Can you make those kind of decisions just like up and leave? My biggest concern with her is that I'm aging and she's not there. There is so you're envy. She's kind of shaming me, Like I'm sort of like that's she also has like a broader emotional range to me at this point. But there is a guy. No, she can't cry yet, but her eyes are going to become cameras at some point, so she'll be able to say hi, Cash,

I She'll be able to recognize people. I mean, this is happening, Like what's happening? I'm not like, I'm very you know, I'm as scared as anyone about robots and what's gonna happen, because it's gonna what it happens to me so quick, And they're not gonna be like the robots we saw in Michael Bay movies. You know, they're not gonna be like scary speci what happened. We're already we're already fused with robots where if we sleep with our phones like we and they dictate like all the information.

But yet, have you ever lost your phone and be like like the physical reaction you have. My phone died for two hours the other week, and I literally had multiple people think we're in a relationship with robots already. Ever, like who dad a robot? It's like you're already doing with your phone, like if I had a hole in it, you just stared at all day. It makes oxytoastin that's

the love chemical. But you love your phone. But it's the connection that's so weird that we stare at the phones and computers and ships and screens at the same time. It's making it's less and less able to look each other in the eyes. I noticed with younger like My little brother's just turned twenty one, and he has such a hard time with looking people in the eyes because his whole life he's been able to like have distraction, which I understand their attention spans are shorter. Love love

the distraction we all do in our own way. But I just find it so fascinating that I'm like, wait, just like look into my eyes from Anut and it's the strangest thing. But you're also a sister. I know, I'm not like, just likely talk to me. And he's just like, yeah, I know. I mean, but like you should practice with the robot. I'm working on this thing

for HBO. It's an adaptation of this book called Supersatury Love Story, which is about thirty years in the future, how people are going to date when everything streaming and we're only on screens and we're you know, merge with throwbouts and stuff. So I like, weirdly looked into a lot of this and like, like I just think that to pathologize it, just like it's gonna happen. It's happening.

It's happening, it's happened, it's already happened. You know what it happened with I remember when like MTV Cribs came out, Remember Him to Be Crazy, Remember editing. It was like like music video editing changed our attentions. MTV changed our attention span. So as a pop songwriter, if I write a song there's over three minutes long, people like laugh at me and they're like, you crazy, that can't be over three minutes ago? On the radio, did you want

to hit song? They say that people's attention span, and it's it's performers, comedians, orators. You should like everyone takes into account the great performer ors. Every seven seconds, you either change your body movement, your head, or your vocal intonation. Should I put the root down? I just don't want to hurt her. No, we're gonna be cutting back. She's I'm kind of like, there's there's something that was like oddly cathartic about this. It was it was just a

weird is it seeing your own humanity? Not? You know what it was? I was so dysmorphic about myself and I was I was at war with my body. I was at war with my face. I you're so gorgeous. That's very nice. I mean I needed it to be as accurate as possible in your lengness. So in order for it to be as accurate as possible, it had to be as flawed as my face was. So, I mean, we're all a smetrical that's what makes well. Yeah, and

beauty is the definition of perfect symmetry. So when you make a robot, or in the future, if you make a perfect sex robot, it would be perfectly smetrical, and that's not human and symetricals actually creep. I wanted so badly for it to be right that I was like, no, no, no, I actually have like crows feet, right, there'd be more wrinkles share and it made me like kind of radically accept you know. I was like, no, I have like a weird devil here and like my lip, like my

teeth are bigger, you know. Like it was. It was cool. And then there was this thing when I was so she was so expensive to make, and I was gonna did it looks and feels very expensive? It's it's it's very expensive, and I think it's more expensive than having a child. Um over time. Yeah, it was like a hundred thousand. It's like I end up having to pay for it. You know, you're and you made because I was just trying to prove a point. Like I was kind of just trying to like prove a point and

I didn't think it would actually work. Like I thought it was like a shitty scarecrow and it was, and I was just going to write jokes about the process. But then it like was amazing. They did an amazing job and like, um real botics to it, and like it's like the custom you know, it's incredible. I just no one knows about it because people are creeped out by it, so they don't talk about it. You know.

It's just like this, like we find her fascinating and how careful I was with Like I was so like, we gotta put her in the chair and we gotta don't touch it. And I was like, I am so much more um concerned about the welfare of this plastic wired version of me than my Meanwhile, I'm not eating, I'm stressing out, I'm in toxic relationships, and I'm like and I'm like, I was like, what if I just treated myself with the same level. Do you think you've made it there? Yeah? Really, Like I'm i feel like

I'm my Workaholism is pretty intense. I'm you know, but I don't. I think there's like certain things about yourself that you don't need to pathologize. Like I don't like every I'm a perfectionist. Like good that probably serves you really well. Just know what it becomes liability, You know when it stops serving, you know when it's diminishing. Mark not everything about you has to be fixed. That's something that I want to keep that about myself. Yeah, there

are parts of me. I like that about myself. Yes, And it's why my dogs don't drown because I'm like checking the pool. People are like, my dog fell the pool died. I'm like, that would never happen to me. I'm like totally because I'd rather I'd rather you think I'm crazy and reck Then that's something that I utilize the strength of and other people might find parts of it annoying, but it actually is like overall achieving the goal that I need, which is my dogs to me,

not drowning. Like you're sensitive, Thank you so much because that helps me. Right. So I have like an antenna and I know more things. I have more information than you. Great news. I love that you'll love this. So I have a really hard time sleeping same and at night. And I think it's part of dreams. I if you don't, it's okay, don't feel bad. I this is so gay to have good dreams. My perfectionism is coming up. No,

I just I don't really remember them. And I in the last couple of months, I've been like, because I have a science infection, I've been on like bet and drill and ship like. I just I feel like I don't really pay attention. I don't pay attention. I wish I canno pay attention. Yeah, but go on. Yeah, but I'm I'm super into them and from what I used to have super vivid dreams and like night terrors and stuff.

And this woman told me something amazing about it, which is like your bad dreams or how your body prepares for dangerous situations. And it's how you like process fears and like walk through them, yes, and practice practice you practice your It's like, so, how do you stop having

these horrendous dreams? Because I'm the person promo code KEESA because I do, I like wake up and my boyfriend will be sitting next to me and I'll be yelling fuck you, and I'll be like yeah, I talking about sleep apparently, and he's like he's Sony, fuck you and like kicked me in the riff. Like I don't I literally don't recall it. But in my dream, you were cheating on me and he told me you didn't even like love our cat children and you think the New

Girls so much prettier and cheese eighteen. And then he's like, I love you. Come back to sleep, and I'll be like aggressively mad at him in real life because of my dream. Yeah. There's a neurologist, Andrew Huberman who is on the podcast. He has like a whole thing about dreams and what happens and like you want to get in rem sleep and dealt to sleep and all the sleep. I just have a very average relationships sleep. This is

a hot ache. Sleep is crazy. I mean it's a crazy it's crazy, Like I know, I like the fact that it's our we're at our most vulnerable. Like I remember I was in New York. I think Betta was with me and we were in a hotel and I just had one of my episodes where I was like outraged by something that like everyone's accepting that I was like time travel back to being a child and going like the house, no fire, nobody cares and no one's listening.

And I was like, so we all just like at ten pm go into a building and lay down in the dark and just are unconscious for eight hours and we've all just agree we're not gonna like and it's like, don't worry about it. We're just sleeping. Like just like on planes, we're just like next to strangers like our most vulnerable. Like people are like we're at war, countries divided them, like we sleep next to each other on planes, true for hours the most like your most vulnerable. It's

just weird. Well this is sleep's so creepy as wild. Well and like you agree with theilish where do you go? Where do you go when you fall asleep? You're your most vulnerable. I think it's you have to feel comfortable enough to fall asleep. And that might be why I have such an issue with falling asleep, is because I'm like I have to be um. You know that we're involved to um fall asleep better if you hear dogs breathing, because you're safer. What about cats? You don't a cat

going to protect you from but like at least to yourself. Um, and so I couldn't go to sleep until like two in the morning for the longest time too in the morning, And I grew up alcoholic holm and so nights were always like the time to be alert. Nights. Nights like up the things are breaking, people are following ghost that's

like chips and got to daytimes like relatively stable. At night, yeah, you're at school, and then it's like drunks are unpredictable and mercurial, so you gotta be like alert hyper vision.

But then there's this sort of like it's called the night watcher theory of And when we lived in tribes, like a hundred people, there were certain people that stayed up all night and watched and watched and there they slept all day, and they were nocturnal essentially, and they bred with each other and bred with each other, and they're just like designed to be up at night. I've heard it that you're obsessed a cult. I'm obsessed with I'm obsessed with irrational the sort of IRA. I'm obsessed

with the anesthesia that humans succumbed to psychologically. Like I come from a lot of religion, a lot of like seeing irrational decisions made because of very strong religious beliefs. I come from, like cousins that were gay, that were ousted from the family because of like just things that are just like I grew I went to Catholic school where I was like, where, you're kind of just like this all feels really mean, but it's all about love. Like I just was like very confused. I just it

didn't add up to me. I used to go to church and like get on my knees and pray like the person next to me, and they'd be speaking in tongues and I'd be like, oh, I gotta start saying crazy ship and I would be like crying at the feet of this place that like nine years old, being like I want to believe this so ad. But then you just said being gay is like an evil son. And I know in my like software, like I know,

I think being anti religion is very elitist. Like I'm not one of those anti I know what it serves the purpose, Like it's not like anti religion. I just didn't, like I'm anti hate in religion. Yeah that's right, that's right. I mean it's like killed more people than any disease. It's like you know it's like justifying hate, But I just like to take the judgment out of it and just go like I know, like I trained horses and dogs, and I know what motivates them, and I radically accept

what motivates them, and I radically accept their behavior. So if a dog barks at a stranger, I'm not like, I'm like, yeah, that's what dogs do. So I'm very like, yeah, that's what humans do. They they subscribe to beliefs because they need to feel for against and they need teams, and they need to cheer something, and they need to feel value, and they need to feel like they're part

of a try. But of course, like I just like take the emotion out of it, you know, and judgement out of it, because I don't we have this thing that we're like human beings, like we have like we think we're so sophisticated because we have planes, which is impressive, but like our reptilian brains are running the show most of the time. We're just like in fancy clothes. We're like I guess that's like the part about the robots that I get perplexed by is you don't say, like

a dog trying to make a pretend fake dog. Yeah, yeah, yeah, because we're the we're the only speed. This is such an incisive point, Like I I think I floated this by Joe Rogan, and I don't think it really got any anywhere. But like we are the only species. I mean, we're the only species of possible thumbs. So we're the only pieces that could do it. But we're the only species that is making our replacement. But is that because

we want to play God? Because like God created us and his like just greedy and I think we're just greedy. And robots make things faster, and robots are robots are Robots are also guess what, Like they also can run into fires and do surgery and like they're very useful. Yeah, like we humans are designed to focus on the negative. We're not focusing on all the Like they can be caregivers under sing homes. They can go help COVID patients

and not get nurses sick. Like if we had robots right now, like my mom having COVID a nursing home, she could have someone talking to her and giving her she did in her nursing. Yeah, but I just mean, like you could have you know. I just also it's like every and I talked about this my special I don't mean to be redundant, but every woman I know is like, I just want I had a double. I just want to like we have to do ted jot, Like what if you had a double? You know what?

I mean, to be physically one place and then yeah, likely someone cooking, someone's watching your kids, someone's you know. It's just like we like robots until they have faces, until they're smart. We wantt smarter than us, but not more powerful than that, and not prettier or prettier. Yeah, yeah, I wanted to rate some cults with you. That's so fucking alley. I got that good at cults. But I think I can give you some I think I can do scientile, So let me give you some back. I mean,

you know a little bit, are you saying? Are you sent? I mean I can't afford it. I don't know anything. Here's my thing. This gets me in trouble. But like I get why people buy into it. I've read the pamphlets. Arranged bones in someone's skull and cured sinusitis, which is what you have the scientologist ron and they healed Marlon Brando. I believe it was John Travolta. You mean the actors that lie for a living and they like to protend

each other. The people that dyslexia did they from Tom's Tom Cruises, just like the actor that lies for according the person who went towards who looked awards for pretending told you that you pretended to be cured, just like this is according to the Internet. Okay, so that's a good part. But also here's what I'll say about psychology. It gets people fucking sober. It does. If you're broken sober, you will get a job and you will get sober. But I thought you would have money. They get you

when you don't know. They get I think the dark Rose in my new Um. They get their money from like the big big donors, and then they employ you. They give you a job, they give you a place to live. They I mean, it's just it's a bad place. Well, I did the whole thing where I like watch, I went there to the test, I watched the movie about the book, and then they made me do like a whole life. You have a paper for me, so I like was fully like, I like pretending that I want

to join different cults. Money. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's I love that that You're like Helena Bottom Carter and fight Club that went to the Men my favorite. Yeah, it's a it's a fun it's a good one. The vow the next thing I'm called like, I'm like, I'm so in until I'm not see. I was like I watched like an episode of that and I was like trigger, I started weeping, and and then I had to watch cartoons. So I don't really know much about it. For he

was a creep. Yeah, but people that don't run culture creeps, so it's like he yeah, he was just he. The first episode I saw it was like a great commercial. Yeah, no, it was like this track, this makes sense. It was It's brilliant. Like the thing about cults is like they pull on a very specific type of person, And cults wouldn't work if it was all drive all. It wouldn't work if it was all nonsense. But is there a point where you would have maybe been drawn to join

a cult in your life? Do you think you ever like we're at that point where you would have thing in l A that I don't think it's a cult, but there's this thing called a gop in l A. Have you ever heard of that. It's like heard of it. It's it's like an outdoor child Like I never went, but I knew a lot of people that went, and I was like I just was too much of a workaholic to go, Like I have heard of it. I

don't know what it is. It's means love in the language, but I was I should like go to that, Like I mean, I'm intel step programs, like they're not cults, but they you can make them culty if you like you're inner child's reading the show and you need an authority figure. Like I've seen people you know, come into program and like make their sponsor their god, and like

the sponsor takes advantage of their power. You know. It's like you know, I see certain like job situations and like friend groups where I'm like, this is not this is like sick. This is like an addictive like recreating childhood circumstances things. So do you think that's why cults drive on just people that had like in particular childhood. People need friends. It's really hard to make friends. People

are lonely man in connection. That's what I really think that the whole tunnel, it's just so much pain and also I just want to, Like, it's just like when you see rallies and when you see Q and on and you like see it's just like it's just like you believe with me, like we're bond, Like you can't leave me, you can't bandoned me. It's like a like it's on a tribe. It's like sports. It's like, I mean,

sports are cults. When you see people that are like painted beating me, beating up people the street because they are team on a different team. I've never I think I texted you this. I've never in my life watched a football game ever. Football is fun to watch if you can get and like they're all giving each other head injuries. I just like can't. It's hard to find a nice cult. What about the rush Niche show cult?

Were you into that? I was until I wasn't. And like you read Oshow books growing, I used to give them for Christmas. Oh my god, I love the book. I watched the documentary and I was like, oh, I'm so impressionable. Yeah, And I like want there to be to be impression Why could it just be forward thinking? Open? And it's a good idea till it's not right until you see the whole. Yeah, I'm gonna give you the benefit of the doubt. We like benefit of the doubt when it comes to a legal system and people to

be good. Yeah, I want to be proven correct that people are good inherently good. I think humans are inherently selfish and they're wired to be. But I think they want to be good. But I think when ship and good at the same time, Yeah, I think just when I think. But I also think that putting yourself first is putting everything else for like, being selfish is usually caring for others, you know, Yeah, like because when you try to take every ray else, you just are building

resemblance towards Them's exhausting. Yeah, yeah, Okay, Well, let me just talking about the Love family and then we can rate them. They name themselves to remind them that each person's attribute is a gift, honored love, honesty, or contentment. They're called together to help cultivate love, oneness, and the presence of God in everyday life. And no one was killed that we know of. That's when my research came. So that's just a it's a hey, that's called coven.

That's a coven which I'd like to address that we have a growing heaven, and I do believe we are which is and by that I just mean people that can speak into existence what we believe to be true. Like you'll just handles just made a noise or a person over their breath who farted. No, I just was like, if I farted, it would be a fucking monumental occasion. Okay, please, I forget the point. I just heard a weird noise when you were saying that, Like whatever you were saying

it was true, but then it also distracted me. But here's why being scared of people gives them more power. Like I just I don't play that ship, like what do you? What do you? What do you? Like? Here's here's the fear, the fears of scientologists that are like, all of a sudden, there's a sex tape of you out and it's a deep fake of you and a porn and it's not really you. There's a I was gonna say, like like like wanting it. That's once you all your secrets are because that's what they've been hacked

like four times. And this is what all the cults thrive on, is they have your secrets and they have collateral. So that's what they do. They record you. What if you literally have no secret snow pride notion. That's what I'm saying, you're what do you would come at me? Come at what are you going to say about me that I haven't already said? We're just going to keep sign Yeah No, she wouldn't, she would thrive. Okay, we have bullsh shot for about fucking seven hours. Great at this,

you're great at this. This is, this is I would never This is the best version of a podcast. It's your dog. Oh she farted, she farted. God, and I'm snoring. I'm so sorry for accusing you. But you were looking down and I looked over. She's revealed herself. I thought it was a ghost. I thought it was a sign, or I thought he was asleep. I don't know it was a sign. It's a sign. We have to end the podcast. I had mine very awkwardly, So let's end this movie. Okay, how are we gonna end? I had

mine saying, don't write elephants. Maybe you should have like a like an out that will eventually be a T shirt. Don't touch dolphins. Don't go to z. You didn't touch him. If they want to touch you if it's consentual. Yeah, but only consensual. Dolphins are pretty. They are pretty. What do I say it's been? Don't be like Jeffrey Dahmer. Don't go whales