Swimming Upstream with Kyle Kinane

you for coming on cash and the creepies. You bet cash that thanks for having me about them creepies. Yeah, I love Creepy Ship. And through the grape vine, I've heard you also love Creepy Ship. I'm a big fan. Got a big old poster of Bigfoot movie in the background here and some other weird oddities. Bigfoot's one I never have like fully gotten into is that are you

a believer in Bigfoot? Well? I think all my all my beliefs stem from like a real why not, why not let the world be a little bit more interesting with oddities? Like maybe I don't know. The woods they're pretty big. It's true. I mean, I want to believe in a Bigfoot. I just have never seen super compelling. Every time I see something, it's like so bad that I just need one thing that's like, this is pretty compelling. Here's a weird like I believe in the Luckness Monster,

but like Bigfoot, I don't know. I just haven't seen. If you know of a documentary or a picture, send it to me, because I want to believe in Bigfoot, yet I don't know what it is like. The Bigfoot hunters can always like get somebody with a helicopter and an infrared camera, but then anytime they do see them, they're like a flip on from two thousand one. That's what I'm saying. I've never seen a good picture of Bigfoot. Here's I'll throw this one at you. Bigfoot is a

time traveler. He's got portals in the woods. Nobody can catch him because he just travels to another dimension. That's when I've heard. I love that. See I can totally get behind that big Foot. What a Bigfoot's from the future already, and he's not an ape, he's a he's an advanced human being. Who doesn't even need clothes or anything anymore. Like all he's all bio mechanical inside, he's got all all his uh, he's got psychic abilities. You can throw anything you want a bigfoot. I love this

because that's how I feel about aliens. So I can just transfer it over to a hairy man in the woods, which is also one of my favorite things, are harryman that are in the woods. So I'm like, I can get on board now, thank you for that. I do live in Oregon. I'm just letting you know. I'm just telling you that now. So I was just in Seattle. It's just in Seattle at this like San Juan Island. Have you been there. I haven't been to the San Juan Islands, but I know of them. Oh my god.

I was just like kayaking with orcas and frolicking with baby foxes. It's so magical up there right now. Any any weird vibes out there? There were weird vibes in that, Like, you know, yeah, I get a little bit of a weird vibe, but I kind of chased the weird vibe, like I love a weird vibe. Anything that gives me like a normal vibe I find to be really boring. So me and my best friend were just like, we

got this thing called a coot scoot. We were cute scooting around and getting naked and like jumping in the ocean, and then we found this like hobbit house. I was. I was out in the desert a few weeks ago, letting a letting the stars make up new constellations for themselves. Uh so I get it. I'm not gonna I'm not gonna poopoo. I would like a clarification of what a coot scoot is. Okay, So coot scoot is a two person scooter. Because I didn't want to go on a

one person scooter because I'm codependent. So I made us get a two person scooter. And it's really not very cool. There's a flag on the back. It's bright red. It's like screams like we are tourists, we are losers. But it was so fun. Yeah, I a two person scooter. You know, by the end of this, of all of all the mystical things we're gonna talk about, I think I want to convince you to just get a scooter for yourself and enjoy the freedom that that allows. That's

that's I think the goal here. Do you believe in the supernatural? I do. I struggle with the proof that's presented most of the time, much like you are with Bigfoot. I think that I hit. I kind of had to stop reading about it because I kept I was reading myself out of believing it. And it doesn't hurt and it's not hurting anybody if I want to just sit and I have my own theories about all of it,

about aliens, I think, and it was supernatural. I think that you know, we consist of you know, electrical energy, and these so energy cannot be destroy Yeah, it's only transferred. Now. I know a lot of people say that that's the when when you decompose, it's the critters that eat you, and that where the energy goes. But what about like

there's electrical synapses in your mind. And I feel like that maybe if if someone has taken in an abrupt manner, that that elect that electrical energy has to manifest itself somewhere, not as like you know, let's see a woman with a gown coming down the stairs, but just as you know, it's a little extra flash of the lights in your house or something like that that I think it does

go somewhere in a scientific sense, you do. I've had all sorts of people on this podcast, but it's people that scene weird ship and then also people that can explain it in a way that I can't with science backing, because I always love hearing how certain things are possible

backed by science. Big fan of science. Science. But so you believe in ghosts, Well, here's one of the things that I read that bummed me out is that a lot of times people seeing apparitions they've actually figured out, like when it's in larger buildings, hotels and such, that the air conditioning, large air conditioning units can create a frequency that actually will vibrate your eyes to a point

where that's where you think you're seeing something. And I felt like people I see goes this like ghosts in these types of buildings, like, oh, it's because these these high volume air conditioners, well, like create a frequency that resonates with I'm like, well, that's even scarier knowing that my eyes can jiggle without me knowing it. Like that's terrifying in its own right for sure. And then just like see people that aren't there, that's the that's the thing,

Like like I'm seeing a figure or anything. I Um, I have not sleep paralysis, And once I read about sleeper, I'm like, oh, that explains so many things that happens because sleep paralysis I don't know if you've ever explain Can you explain it? What it is exactly? Oh? Yeah, it sucks real bad. Quick. It's it's like it's the opposite of sleepwalking. Like sleepwalking, your mind's asleep, but your body is awake. Sleep paralysis is your bodies asleep, but

your mind's in between dreaming and being conscious. So you can't if I'm falling asleep, well no, if I'm falling asleep,

I know where I'm at. I'm in my bed, there's my glass of water, there's my clock, you know, my phone's plugged in a were there, and also there's a ten ft tall shadow person in the corner and it's just as real as all these other things, because I think I'm still awake, and then you're like, well, that's scary, maybe I should move and get out of here, and then you can't move your body, so that sucks real bad.

And it's uh what I've heard of. Now that I know that it's happening, I kind of try to control, because if you can control that, that's where people get into lucid dreaming. And I've so I you've heard alucid dreaming right where you could basically control your dreams, and that's where the sleep paralysis is. Your kind of opening the door that possibility. But it's real hard to get through because once you realize, oh I'm dreaming, cool, I wake up because once I address the reality of it,

I wake up, come out of it. What about the shadow person? Who's the person? Oh, it's it's the it's usually now that I know that it's happening, I get myself out of that situation because I like being I like being scared, like haunted houses everything, but that's too real, and then it wakes me up. I can't fall asleep afterwards. But it's like it's a lot of times you'll see in history, like old drawings of like a demon sitting on somebody's chest, or a demon sitting at the end

of the bed, and it's always an ominous figure. I can't only make out features, but it's just as real as all the other elements in my room. That's what it's like when you're in a dream. Like, well, there's a demon, but also I'm flying on the back of a giant salmon and you know, like drink dream dream ships going on. But it was like, no, I just went to bed. I just got my bed ten minutes ago. I know where I am. Why is that in my room? Horrifying?

It's something I can control it. So when I'm in a dream and it's scary, because I have a scary dreams a lot, but I'm usually like, I know it's a dream, I'll pinch myself in the dream and try to wake myself out a special only because one time I convinced myself this isn't the same as yours. Yours sounds really scary. But I convinced myself that I had walked over to the toilet and I could pee, and I was sleeping on my mom's couch and I just

peeed all over her couch. And ever since then, I was like, I need to figure something out, so maybe try this. I pinched myself in my dreams to see if I'm really awake, and then if I'm not feeling the pinch, then like, don't pee, You're asleep. Your brain is tricking you. Don't well at least you've got that part under control. That's all I have under control in my life. I don't I don't pee in my dreams, So I got that going for me. Well, you know, there's the one that I think I learned it from

watching that movie Waking Life. You ever see that? Oh my god? Yeah? In high school though, yeah, yeah, well also a long time. But the fact that, like, you can't read or turn lights on and off in a dream. And I just had to dream last night there was something where I was dealing with somebody, like they almost hit me with their car or something. So I was like, well,

I'm gonna get this license plate. And I remember specifically going up to the license plate and realizing it wasn't a letter and that the letters were painted over, and I was like, oh, I'm in a dream. I can't read this license plate. I would feel so relieved. I always feel relieved when I know I'm asleep, because it's usually the dreams I remember usually really fucked up. I don't know if the same for you, Like you said

you just got hit in the car or something. Yeah, but that's my problem with like dreams are always fucked up, because that's what dreams. Dreams are the you know, the ghoulash. Dreams are just like the chili that you make with your leftover thoughts of the day. It's a little bit of I went to grocery store. It's a little bit I talked to my mom and so, and then it just goes into the pot and that's the stew of in your subconscious. I always would get scared when I

had like regular dreams. I got a dream that I just brushed my teeth and I woke up, and I'm like, oh God, that scares me more, because either that means my subconscious is so filled with crazy, scary shit that even my my being is like, don't give him that. That's too much, that's he can't handle that. Or I'm just that boring of a person. And even when my brain can go wild, it's like I've given the toothbrush

dream again. That scares me more. If I had a dream, I'd be more scared than I'm like, Oh no, am I just really boring? Yeah, I'm not creative. I'm an artist. Even my dreams are dumb drag No. I have like nightmares solidly, like every single night, so it's not fun to sleep paralysis. Thank god. I've never had like we were talking about, where you can't move. But I do scream in my sleep and throw punches when I'm sleeping. My buddy does that too, Like we'll fight in his sleep. Yeah. Yeah,

have you hit anybody? Oh ah? And I like kick my feet. I'm just like ready to fight in my dreams. I'm just like you have. You had to explain it, yeah, next day like, oh no, no, I wasn't. I was sleeping. Yeah, you're cool. I was just asleep, Especially when you're like dating, dating and throwing punches in your sleep. Not a cute combo, but I just like, like you said, it's kind of like a mishmash of everything that's going on in my brain, and I guess in my sleep, I just really want

to punch somebody. So that's what's happening. If you get nightmares every night, i'd say, maybe like almost every night, do you just go to bed like all right, here we go? Yeah? Uh, like you accept it totally. I'll like meditate and be like, okay, kitties, we're gonna go to this scary place where your mom's gonna throw a punch.

Just just watch out, like that's every night. It's kind of sucked up, like I really hate like I love sleeping, but I also hate the process of going to sleep because I know there's scary ship waiting for me on the other side. That's the I would get that with the sleep paralysis, because I'd lay there drifting off to sleep and then just oh cool, demons back. Know how often does this happen? We have to figure something out.

This is not okay, not often anymore, because I know, like if I even get the sense of it, I know I need to move my body because that's the paralysis part. It's like all I need to do to get this demon to go away is move my body. And then you can't move. So I'm awake. I know I'm in my room, but I'm paralyzed and there's a thing over there. But if have you tried, have you messed around like with Valerian root or melotonin done all those kind of melotonin gives me worse dreams and Valirian

I have tried that. I'm not sure if it does any thing. Do you think it helps? It calms me down, puts my dumb ideas to rest for them, Like I'm going to try it. This past year has been a little slower on the craziness a little. I liked. I liked it. I like just I feel bad that I've enjoyed quarantine. Um don't you usually tour? Yeah, that part I missed, but I was getting more. I I like. I appreciated the force, like slow down, appreciate the things

in your life, appreciate the people in your life. I appreciated the time to appreciate all the things in my life that have kind of gone accidentally underappreciated, and like the flowers in my yard I noticed and talk to and things like that where I do actually get to slow down. So I appreciate that. But I also recognize it's been a hell of a year and almost a half. But there are parts that I think have been really

helpful for me. Like it's been nice to be able to talk to people like you, just I could to sit down and have a conversation. Before this, I hadn't taken a shower or been able to take a piss without somebody being like, you have to be on a phone call, You're so busy, you gotta go on stage. So it's nice to like be a person I had like a joke with somebody. I had like three things to do in one day last week. I'm like, what am I a CEO? I don't know how to do this.

I never want to work again. Yeah, I don't want to go back to all this stuff like this. I'm good with this. I take walks. I smile at dogs. I never look at the people. I always smile at the dogs. I look like an extra psycho, Like I forget that I look like how I look And I'm just walking around waving at animals and ships. Oh my god, that's fine. Now I'm in the now, I'm in the suburbs and people are like looking at me through their blinds and like, oh, I get it. Yeah I look

Oh crawled out of the ground. Love that. I love your look. Just for the record, I have I love a beard, always have, always well one, Yeah, I love it. Um so I think you look excellent. But side note, did you know that John Wayne Gacy committed his murders thirty minutes away from where you're from? Uh? Yeah, that was the big joke because he was also a contractor. So it's always like, oh, they're gonna come tear up

your driveway looking for kids. Oh my god, I'm like, I mean, I'm laughing at it because that was the joke that I would always serve like barbecues and everything like my dad's and uncles would like make jokes about. So yeah, there was we had John Wayne Gacy. I mean, listen, we're no Wisconsin, alright. Wisconsin has just well it's got beer and the friendliest regular just beer drinking folks and then real real psychos, and I don't know what the

split is. Like part of me, I was trying to make jokes about how if you live in a city, especially an apartment, like you're forced to know your neighbors. So there's assholes, but there's not as many psychos because like I got shared walls, like I know, if you're doing some nefarious stuff. Now I'm in the suburbs with distance between people, and there's way more weirdness happening in the suburbs than people realize. I used to deliver pizzas

and you encounter way weirder characters in the suburbs. It's always like, well the guy had like nine people caged up, not an apartment in a basement in the suburbs, because you can have a basement in the suburbs. He had thirty, like thirty bodies or or eight of them are under the house, all the bodies. And I'm wondering, because you live in the suburbs, could you, like, couldn't you smell that from next door? I think enough for breeze And uh,

doesn't anybody know this? Like why do you all straight men think for breeze does something good. All it does is smell like poop and fa breeze or like cat shit and fabreeze. It's so disgusting. Well, okay, so I was always a sucker for a little fa breeze and a little incense because I figured those two things against

fixes stuff. It just makes it stayed our works. But a window, well all right, so for breeze doesn't work because you're trying to keep a bunch of bodies in the basement outside of the lime and whatever else they use. Don't use for a serial killers, listen to this, don't use fabreeze. It just thinks more bregnrant corpses. But I love That's why I love delivering pizzas because like any kind of weirdo just opened their door. I don't know why delivering pizza sounds like a scary job. Maybe I

was watching movies or something. Tell me the weirdest ship you saw delivering pizzas. I want to know. It was usually like just getting invited in to do drugs with people. People love getting the pizza dude, like getting him a beer or getting them stoned because the pizza guy and people. Yeah, I was always appreciative of that kind of generosity. It was always weird when I was like with a family though, when like I remember I went to one house. We would go to this apartment complex and this is a

bit grotesque. There was this was like it was a bad apartment complex. And I don't think like Dominoes or Pizza Hut would deliver there because of insurance reasons, because that's how bad it was. So I just worked for my friend. He's like, oh, cool man, we got add percent of the business over at this apartment. We'd go there and it was a place where you're like, oh, I gotta put all my money in different pockets, so if I get robbed, I just go to one pocket

and give him that money. You gotta split up your money. My buddy got robbed and they took the pizza I think he offered. He's he's like, you want the pizza too, and they're like, oh, okay, yeah, I'm sure. You know that gets your adrenaline going. You get hungry after a robbery. But I delivered to this family. It was like a mom and teenagers don't be like a little kid. And I get halfway down the staircase, I just hear, hey, pizza, man,

you want to smoke some killer doge. And I was like, well, I'm sure, and I just he let me in and then he goes hold I gave me a bowl and he goes hold on, and the mom just took the Pizza's mom and little kids just eating the pizza in the dining room, like how's it going? Like, Hi, I'm starting to feel a little bad about this environment, mostly for the kid, like you should. And I just hear all his glass break in the back room where this kid had gone to his teenager. He just just hear fuck.

He comes out. He's like, I like a five ft graphics I was gonna have you hit man. I just busted it. So I was the reason this guy hoocus five ft graphics ball. But then he's like, I'm real sorry, man and he just left me. I just sat on their couch smoking a bowl watching TV. They just eight pizza in the other room. Oh my god, let's get into aliens. I'm going, I can. I'm happy to go to but I want you to go first because I'm just curious. I know what I think? All right, Um,

here's my thought on aliens. Uh. That one, It's that it's future humans coming back to see you know. Maybe it's like it's tourism, you know, it's time travel tourism. Possibly. Why do we constantly look at aliens to be of a Why do they all have to be like a human form or somewhat We're always expecting them to be like, oh, we's still got a head and eyes, wears like a shiny jacket or something like why why can't aliens be my grow organisms that are coming to Earth? They could be?

I mean, Alice Cooper thinks that COVID is an alien kind of blew my mind. Did he just say that and just was like pieced out on yet or did he have like an explanation. He kind of explained a little bit, but he was just like, did you ever think that maybe COVID's an alien? And I was like, no, I I didn't. Should we call somebody. It's like, I don't know octopuses. Look at octopus? Oh my god. I love Okay, there genius, and we should not eat them.

Personal stance. I also think it's weird and it's usually a pig butt hole, but I love and they're so smart and magical. I really don't think we should be eating them. There's like, yeah, I stopped because I found out they can like open jars from the inside and escape, and then like they're too smart. I already stopped eating all the land meat. A little taste gets in there maybe once or twice a year, but I stopped eating land meat, and I'm like, all right, what is fish?

And I started learning about different seafood and I learned about I love kylamari, but then if it's a pig butt holes, I can't have that because well, what did they say they're about scallops that it's just like a manta ray that they put a cookie cutter. Oh my god, that's so depressing, really, but maybe the manta ray is that maybe they let it live and it's just more aerodynamically. Oh my god. Well, I don't eat those either either

of the above. So I'm good. But yeah, no, I don't think we should be eating things that look like the way those things look like. I won't eat an ugly creature like I would. Here's the thing. You won't eat ugly stuff. No, just cute stuff, what like baby horses and things that's only adorable, you know what. I went by like, I was like. I was like, if I can't kill the animal, yeah, like I went I went hunting to find out how like could I do? It's so interesting? And I say, I shot the birds

the sky and then we ate the birds. But I had to sit. I was pulling the feathers out and everything, and I was like, well, I don't feel great about this. I'm going to eat it. But then I think about how nonchalantly I would eat other things chicken or beef or anything, how casually. I'm like, well, if I don't think I could kill it, then maybe I shouldn't eat my philosophy too. There is flounders. Everyone out there's listening, which we maybe have lost some people at this point.

If you're listening, google what a flounder's face looks like and tell me if you want to eat that because I don't. It's better to eat the ugly things. You're putting them out of their misery. That's I'll eat. I eat what's the one that swims upstream? Salmon go upstream? Yeah, like that just sounds dumb to me, So I'll eat them because they seem dumb. They're cute. Well, like you still, you've got all these years of evolution and what it's done for all these other creatures you live. You can

look at an octopus. You live in the same home as an octopus in the sea, and you could look at an octopus and go like, look, look what you're doing with this environment. Meanwhile, I gotta go back upstream to get laid. I gotta go against the force of a river so I can bone down in the place I was born and then die. I think that's that's a romantic I think we're writing a Pixar movie right now. I think that's what we're doing. Right There's like one fish that's like I got dreams, and the rest of

them like, you can't. You got to go up the river. And I don't know if it's the male or the female go up the river. I also think that aliens could my mom thinks that they live in the ocean, but they're like they take their ships and they're kind of like humanoid creatures that live in the ocean. I personally think that when you said that earlier, I always have thought aliens are us in the future time travel. Maybe it's a different dimension, Like they're definitely us evolved

um coming back. But then when you said that made me think, like, are we just like zoo creatures here, like and they're coming back? Yeah, the human zoo theory, Well, I just wouldn't like people when people say they see it, well, yeah, that the people are just coming by and going hoof,

look at that. One think about how many different um universes and galaxies and exist, and how many possibilities for a planet similar to Earth to start up on a different timeline, to start millions of years ago but had had oxygen and water and all the components that could create a humanlike creature, and how many of like like been developed and then died off, Like we could be one of thousands of different Earth type planets millions and

we don't know. Yeah, So that's the Fermi paradox, is the one of like, well, if there's intelligent life out there? Why haven't we been visited by it? Like the possibility seems obvious that something must have developed similar to ourselves or simple an intelligent quote unquote intelligent uh type of being. I have to put intelligence in quotes because I tripped and fell into the cat's litter box last night. Including I'm not including myself and the intelligent being thing here,

but you know what I'm saying collectively? Were you sleep? Um? I was drunk, Kesha, So sam okaya your judgment. I thought we weren't judging. I just want the full story because I have four cats and one of my main quarantine activities has been cleaning litter boxes, so we could go to town on that topic. I am. The only good news out of this is that it's a stray cat that lives in the garage and does not use the litter box at all, So I fell into a

clean one, a fresh litter box. Well did you have fun? Is the main question? I think I did, But I was more ashamed that I did that than normally. I could laugh that stuff off. Just give it like a week. I'm laughing about it because it's funny, Kesha. Can we leave me falling in a litter box. Out of this and get back to the front of paradox. Please we get back to the scientific. Sorry shamed, I'm a little embarrassed. Okay, Okay, go back. Ah it was I just had to sweep

it up before this. Um are you? Are you? Okay? I'm very elastic with my drinking some coffee. I got a Topo Chico bubble water over here. Be fine. You're smashing that. You're smashing this conversation. This isn't my first rodeo rodeo, I mean falling into a cat box. Um. I think that there's a possibility that, yeah, we're visited as a point of reference for other cultures that have

developed this ability to travel. I get upset when people are like, oh, there, I saw the spaceship and then I could see through the window there was creatures in it, Like why why do we still think spaceships need windows? Like oh, is the psychic being? But they still need a win no, so they could find out how to land?

Like what what? I agree with you? There? Aliens could be a strange sort of consciousness that exists, or a microscopic element that travels and explores, you know, in a that that that's all around us right now, and then can all then travel as a a gas or a cloud or something away into where they're from. So it's beautiful. Yeah, the traditional definition of an alien I kind of get.

That's why I think they're If they're real and people are seeing these figures that have two legs and two arms and hands, and their eyes are just bigger, and their brains inside their head are bigger, that's where I'm like, Oh, that's where I feel it's this future human civilization. I totally think so too. And when you said like they come back, that like, blew my mind. I've never heard

the human zooth here is what you called it. Yeah, that just that they would come back to either as a tourist, as like a I mean, imagine if you had the concept of time travel and you're or or dimensional travel. Maybe they're coming here to see mistakes that we're making. I was thinking that. I didn't want to say it, but I was gonna say, like, maybe they're coming back to be like WHOA, well that's sucked up.

They will sucked up. Why people that's the mix of like why people think they see things around military basis. Now you can just accredit that to like the military working on some top secret stuff, or is it some sort of warning from beings or elsewhere, like, hey, we're not supposed to mess, you know, the back to the future type of thing. You can't really mess with a timeline. Interesting, but maybe they're like, hey, don't, maybe don't do that.

Maybe don't don't come up your weapons. Yeah, no shit, I mean in my brain, no ship. But I did see some weird thing in the desert. Have you ever seen something that you thought was like alien or spaceship or UFO anything like that with your own eyeballs? No, And that's the one. I don't want to go looking for it too much because I feel like the human, the mind and the imagination can manifest things if you want it bad enough. So I try to go like I try to be like, all right, if you're out there,

let me let me see it. But that's like, okay, that's how when I just was up near you in Seattle, that's how I have to be. With animals. I'm obsessed with, like critters. So there are these baby foxes and I was like, okay, don't be thirsty, just like sit here and like act like you don't care be cool, but like you want it, so I'm putting it. I'm like manifesting,

like please come and like show yourself to me. But I'm not being a thirsty bitch, like on your own time, not being like good vibes, yeah, just really good vibes. And then the last day almost missed the flight. Five baby motherfucking boxes, scampering around, throwing a little dead bunny around, having so much fun with like it's tail was the

cutest it I ever saw, so happy. So I do feel that there's an idea of like energy or good vibes that you could you could tell when you walk into a room where people have just finished arguing room that if people have just finished making out or something, even if they're even if their faces aren't at you, you can like, oh I can feel the energy in

this room. Yeah, yeah, vibe. So I feel like maybe having the right vibe, not quite going into a psychic ability, but like people that experienced ghosts, they just have an openness and an ability like I don't. I don't necessarily believe most people they're like, oh I can see ghosts, and I talked to spirits, Like if you could really talk to spirits. Spirits could communicate with you, your life

would be hell oh true. Imagine. I think there was like it was like a Matt Damon movie or something where he's like he was legit psyche and his because people were just hunting him down because they wanted to like give messages. Yeah, and so like, oh, you need to contact this person. People are like, you know, the

death of a loved one is a devastating thing. Or you would be weaponized by the military if you like your psychic, the military is gonna kidnap you, just like anybody who was like a hacker or something like, oh you can hack into stuff, Well here's your options, prison or you work for us. You know, like think I'm psychic sometimes and then I'm usually just being paranoid or have anxiety. But then some times that anxiety and paranoia

ends up being right. So then I'm like, is that psychic or am I just like a catastrophist that thinks of all the worst case scenarios you tell me, I like catastrophist as a word. I haven't heard that one before, and I dig that as a word. You can have it. It's like a special kind of artist, like I like that. Yes, I am a special kind of artist, like yeah, I think that's another reason why I was saying like I don't like to really I kind of like these are

my opinions. But if somebody goes to a psychic, they're already they're already searching for something, so they're already putting themselves in a vulnerable place. Yeah, you know, it's when it's like I've gone to up haunted houses. I've gone to and seeing like one time I was in one place where like, oh, and this was the nursery that the kids used to be in and if you speak to the children, we put toys in here for them to play with. And I saw it was Bobby Mackie's

music World. I don't know if you know about that place. It's one of the places that claims to be what is Where's that? It's on the border of Kentucky and Ohio or Kentucky and Indiana. I think it's right outside of Cincinnati, the one that's right on the river there. I'm from Tennessee, I should know this. And I used to go from Tennessee to Indiana all the time, which is like creepy little route. Yeah. Well, this This is like a like the river. It's like a it's like

an old honky tonk bar on the river. But it used to be a brothel. It used to be this bootlegging stop because it was on the river. And they claim it's one of the most haunted places, and every place is the most haunted place. What's it called? What's it called? I want to go to this place? But Bobby's Music World, Music World, and yeah, I went with my sister. Yeah, we went to like we're like, all right, we're gonna go take this road trip when we go to haunted places, and so we went on the money.

It's still open on the weekends. I don't know about now, but like it's a bar with live music and everything and just you know, like a bar in Kentucky with live music and open dance floor. Yeah, so I'm sure on the weekends it's a pretty fun spot. But we went on a Monday when this a woman would just give tours of the haunted stuff. And so right away we get there like, oh, we're doing a fun road trip.

And the woman she's that answers the door, she's like, was there another couple there's supposed to be four people are like, oh no, it's just us. We don't know about the other couple, and we just so she goes, all right, I don't like doing this with less than five people. Like now I'm thinking she's trying to put it on right. She was just like, I don't like doing this without enough people because it's crazy, because because

it's scary. We're the only people in there. And so she's getting this tour and this happened over there and a guy got shot there and they see a ghost over there and all stuff. But so it used to be a brothel and it had a nursery for the chill aldren of the working ladies to be looked after in this area. And she's like, and if you kick the ball, like like like a little toy balls and everything, it'll roll back here. This is where the drain is. That's the lowest point in the room. That's not like

a ghost thing. And so I tapped one of these balls and it rolls around the floor and comes back to where the drain is. But then it goes. It wasn't going fast enough in my opinion, to be able to go back up the other side, but it came back up right two between my feet. That road past the low point of the floor and then went uphill back towards me. And then did it stop when it hit your feet? It stopped? Yeah, I just came there and stopped at my feet. And that was the one

time where I was like, oh, this got me scared. Now. I wasn't in there, I didn't measure the floor. I wasn't down there doing a golfer stare trying to see what the angles were or anything. But me and my sister looked at each other like we came here for fun, and now we're actually scared. So we got our money's worth on that one. I think the most fun emotion is being scared. I don't know what that says about me, but like, I love scaring the ship out of myself.

Like if I if that happened to me, I feel like I won the lottery. Where have you been, Like, what's the most scared you've gotten? Mm hmm okay, they're like where you're like, oh, this isn't really fun anymore. I feel like I may have tempted something, you know, Yeah, Okay, there's actually a brothel in Fort Worth that I stayed at with my band, and I had multiple people be like, fuck this ship, I'm going to sleep on the bus.

There's no light or electric or air conditioning, but like, fuck this, I'm going to the bus because one door just kept opening and closing. It's the same place that I had previously had a weird experience at, like I thought I saw a woman at the end of the bed and she kind of touched my leg and I woke up and I wasn't scared, and I felt sad for her. So in my mind, I was like, oh, I've seen an apparition of a person and I'm not scared, and like more channeling hurt. It was just like sad.

I felt sad because she seemed like stuck, and so I just took my band back there and so that was scary. And then there's a place in Milwaukee. Have you ever been to The Rave? No, I haven't. I know of the Rave though, it's like where Jeffrey Dahmer across the street used to take people and chop him up have some snacks. They tore down everything he was a part of in Milwaukee around the building he lived in the candy company that the factory worked at. They

moved over town. Yeah, they tried. They're just trying to erase. They don't want any of that kind of notoriety, no cannibal behavior. Would you taste of human flesh? Well, so I was thinking about this. My sister in law, so my brother and his wife had a baby and the placenta came out, and I'm the godmother, and so she proceeded to paint with the placenta. So she took it out, this ugly weird thing that you have kids. Have you

seen a placenta? They're fucking weird. It's a sack that's made in a lady and it's beautiful and it is gorgeous, but it's very weird because we were painting with it. So we like flopped it on its like it's kind of like a jellyfish. I don't know, So we flopped it on the canvas. Then we like flopped it on another canvas. Everyone had their turn with the placenta to make like a it's like a handprint, but with the placenta. Right, So then she boils the placenta and was like who's

going to eat it? And it was like this test of like who's who has the balls to eat this placenta, and I was like, fuck it, I do I will. I am the godparent and the Godfather give me the placenta, and I ate the placenta. And I was the only one that would do it. I was really proud. Well, there's that hangover coming up for me. That's that's something else. That's something else. I didn't think I was gonna get into here. So I think I ate a piece of a person. Did did you? Yeah? Did you get into

this with Alice Cooper? It seems like he would like, I mean, come on, King of Shock Rock, cover this with Alice Cooper? All right, so gritty gritty tampon. I mean, I've like just eating burritos that I found on truck bumpers, but that's mostly more gross. That's mostly I don't like food waste than I drink and I get hungry. The combination of those beliefs kind of manifest itself, like anybody finishing this and I just go for it. I haven't found a placenta and any of those you don't know,

I don't know. You may have been eating a human remains burrito. You have a podcast, the Boogey Monster, that talks about weird ship and fried chicken. Uh well yeah, it really starts it about uh, trying to cover supernatural and unexplained phenomenon but somehow we always kind of wind up talking about food. Well, much like much like this, it all comes back to that common that shared experience of dining what you dine on. That's the interesting part. Yeah. Yeah,

we do the Boogie Monster every week. I'm I'm finally starting to tour again. Shamelessly promote yourself right now, tell everybody where to find you and what you're up to. You go, oh, okay, well my name is Kyle Knine and I'm on the internet is Kyle Knine. It's real simple, it's everything. It's just my name. Nothing fancy. You go to the website. There's gonna be dates up there. I'm just I'm excited to get to telling jokes and hopefully

not being presented with body parts after shows. I don't want, I don't. Don't give me like an igglue cooler and be like, don't worry, just open it, open it when you get back to the hotel, like I'm not. I'm no, thank you for that, no thank you. But dot com Calcane dot com and the Boogey Monsters podcast and you're going on tour. Yeah, we're getting things are getting back

to normal. Well after that conversation, I don't know if we can say that, Hey, you can just consider this like the finale of the weirdest fucking year and a half of our lifetime, and then it's just gonna get really normal, really easy, and really fun after this. Oh yeah, it's not gonna be like like worldwide spring break and people are just gonna go bonkers. Oh I have I have a feeling people are just going to go full naked orgy crazy. I have one quick question I need

to ask you before I can let you go. Mm hmm. What is a secret conspiracy that you would like to start on my show? Well, then I can start, yeah, like keeping free Reign. Well, because I had one proven Oh we'll go. There was that Trader Joe's parking lots are made too small on purpose to make them seem more popular. Oh really, And then that got then a friend of mine, whoa, what are you doing? Everybody loves you Trader Joe's. Don't be shady, but do you love it?

Because does everybody love it? Or is that parking lot just full? Up all the time. There's only five spots. No, I love it because they have gummies that are in this shape of sea creatures. Well, now we're going back to the figure. Now we're looping right back around. I'm sorry, Okay for joining me today, Kyle name on cashing the creepies. So appreciate anybody who's stuck with us through this journey.

Thank you for listening, thank you for being here. Keep on creeping on, keep it creepy, and I'm gonna send you some pictures of weird fish. Well, thanks for having my cash. I appreciate