Making Contact with Demi Lovato

just beautiful. How long ago did you do your hair like this? So I thank you for having me um I. I'm so excited to be here and I've had my hair like this for I think like two weeks now, just about I was so excited today. I was like I can't wait to see it in real like thanks, mine was black yesterday. And then I was like, you know what, I feel like the light is coming this new year, and I want to bring the blond back.

And so now I'm like in this in between kind of this isn't the final look, right, That's how I feel about this, Like I wanted to go like platinum, like almost white, and it's like my hair was so dark that it literally this is all I could do. Yet I have to get it like healthier too than I can take it lighter. That's we're on the same hair journey, because, yes, especially after I don't know about you, but for me, like hair is such a big part

of the whole thing. Yeah, it is. To me, it was more of like a spiritual and emotional thing rather than like, oh I need a new look or whatever. It was like I've been putting my hair up in a ponytail for so long, and and there's other reasons that I'll get into later, but you know, I've been putting my hair up for so long that I was just over it. And then finally I feel like I feel more like myself. You know. I love that. Yeah, you look stunning and radiant. Thank you. I'm you. You

look so beautiful. Girl looks like a princess right now, and you're set up. It's amazing in my queen chair. Thank you. Yes, I'll go. The first question I ask everybody is are you a believer in the supernatural? I am?

I so am? Okay me too. Yeah, that's the podcast I was reading, like through your Instagram page, and there was one post that you did that caught me in a way that was so bizarre, because you articulated how I've felt about extraterrestrial life in such a public way where I was like, holy sh it, like he's going for it, Like this is how I think in my head. Someone is putting it out there in a perfectly articulated way.

So I just really want to ask you about your experience in the desert with Stephen Greer, how that came about what happened. Yeah, okay, So I've basically I've always been a believer. When I was young, I was very interested in the planets, and so for for Christmas one year, like I asked for a telescope, and it was the only thing I asked for, So my parents went all out and got me this really nice one. And the problem was it was so nice, I didn't know how

to use it, and so I never used it. But I've always been fascinated and just about I just always thought, you know, it would be so selfish of us to just assume that we're the only life form out there in the universe, and so over the past I guess the past year, I've been doing a lot of research and it wasn't until so I had watched Serious years ago.

Then this year I came a cross close Encounters of the Fifth Kind, which was Dr Greer's most recent film that he released, And so I watched this documentary and

it really piqued my interest in making contact. Like I'd always been a believer, but I had never taken that next step to try to make contact, and so I did, and I just realized he was really the one that articulated the importance of why we should look into this and what are civilization is facing as a threat if we don't look into this, and and it it gets really scary. So yeah, I just I know the importance

of it. And after researching into it, I ended up there's an app that you can download and I started using it. And then on my twenty birthday this year, which is really interesting, it's my year sat in return um tattoo. Nice. Yeah, So on my birthday I made contact for the first time. I meditated, Yeah, okay, I

wanted to know what contact means. Yeah. So basically, me and UM, some of my best friends we had all gotten tested and so we were all together and it was I was like, what can I do for my birthday this year that, um, we'll be safe, and so we we. I got a house in Palm Springs and I went out into the desert and on the night of my birthday, we're all just like we'd spent the whole day by the pool and um that night where I was like, you, guys, I really would love to

do a group meditation and try to make contact. And my best friends are all for it. So they were like, yeah, let's do it. So we did. We meditated for about thirty forty five minutes um together, and then we laid out under the stars and we were just staring up at the sky. And so what first happened was this we played these tones this app that you download. Do you play these tones, You meditate and then you play the tones and you wait for things to show up,

and well we did. We saw this bright light. We were all laying down on the ground, so it was just in the center of the sky. You also do this visualization where you try to direct the the e T s where you are like you you visualize the

milky Way. Then you visualize our sun to our solar system, than our planet, than the continent, than the country, than this, you know, state, than the city that like, you go through this whole thing, and you you're kind of like make you're just putting a signal out there in case they are passing by, like a map, like a like a pin. Yeah, you're you're giving them a pen. And it's like this Google Earth type zoom that you do

onto your location. While we were laying outside and all of a sudden, we all look up and this big ball brighter than any object in the sky. One This was around like ten something PM, so I think it was too late to be a satellite. Satellites only orbit at a certain time of night. I heard, um, it wasn't a plane because the way that it just came into this guy right above us, and we were like,

oh my gosh, guys, do you see this? You know, we start freaking out a little bit, and then it just starts moving in these like directions that it's clearly not a plane. Then it stops, it goes down like a falling star almost, and then it stops again and then it backs out. And the way that it backed out, yeah, it was it was. There was I literally was like, okay, so there's there's no debunking that, because there's no that wasn't a shooting star, that wasn't a meteorite, that wasn't

a satellite, that wasn't a plane. So what the funk else could it have been? And when that happened, I was shooting a talk show for Quimby and and um Dr Greer was one of my guests on the show, and so when I interviewed him, we started talking and he told me some really cool stuff, and he also invited me out into the desert, and that's when the cool stuff, like a lot of cool stuff really started. That was just the first time. Yeah, that was the

first time without Stephen Greer. That was just all my own with my friends. Yeah. Whoa, Okay, so we haven't even gotten to the crazy ship. Yeah exactly, because like that's what I've seen some light patterns in the sky and my boyfriend and I and he's more skeptical than me. So I'm like, there's the spaceships and he's like no, trying to explain it all away, and then he came back and started making different formations. So that's about the level that what I've experienced, and I'm the kind of

person where I gotta see it. Once I see it, I believe it, but I have to see it, I have to feel it, whatever it is. And so now I'm so curious how you took that further. So Dr Greer and I had talked about going to Joshua Tree because that's where he goes to make contact a lot of times. And so him and a group a few of people from his team, and then UM me and once again a couple of friends of mine. UM all tested. We're negative. So we all went out into the desert.

We did this thing and basically we we lined up these um zero gravity chairs like in a circle, and we had a sound bath going for the first fifteen twenty minutes. Then we would do a pussia. What is the pushia. The best way that I can explain it is it was this meditation and it's kind of like you're giving sinks. I had never done it before, so this was my first experience with it. And Dr Stephen

does it whenever he goes to make contact. But Pusha's I think it's a meditation that you can do to help raise the vibration or the frequent and see of everyone around you. I'm not really entirely sure actually, but we did that and um, and we would just meditate and then so the first night, it was like an hour before we saw anything. Maybe we looked up in the sky. We would see these what Dr Greer calls alleged shooting stars. Because we're in the desert, so you know,

we can see everything. We probably saw a lot of shooting stars. So, but there were there were times where we would see something shoot across the desert and then we would see a military plane come in right after, and it was just weird because we're like, well, if that was a shooting star or whatever, why what's the need for this military plane. So at one point on the second night. The first night we didn't see too much, but the second night we saw the most activity. There

was this really really bright light. I caught a video on my phone. See all of this would make me feel so fulfilled in my soul. When I see things like this, it makes me feel right because there's a bigger purpose. It's so much bigger and especially as us as artists, we live or we work in a career that's very um so, I mean, it could be a very self centered career, you know, is a very narcissistic

kind of career. But when you start to see the bigger picture and you realize, hey, this isn't just about me and my music anymore. This is about how I can like raise the vibrations of other people and and help elevate our planets frequency to like I don't know, it's it's it's so much bigger than us, and that's

that's what gets exciting. And then when you're like when you make contact and you see that these beings are really rooting for us, and that's why they show up when we when I try to make contact, you know, they show up of the time, and it's because the signal is out there and they're here again. They're like I I truly believe in my soul at least what I feel these beings are like, they're doing the work. Let's show up for them. Let's pop in and give

them a sign they're on the right path. And so that's why I continue to meditate and fill my home with crystals and all these things. That our civilization has been kind of guided and directed that way on that journey for so long. I think self discovery and self

growth is the key to evolution for humanity. Actually, I agree with you, and I feel like as to people that are in front of the world and singing songs, that's something I've realized, especially this year too, is it's more than just singing a song and hoping it's a hit song, Like, and it can be so narcissistic because it feels like when you're about to go on stage and you're getting zipped up and you're putting your ears in and some drum sounds sounds weird, Like it feels

like you're it's the biggest deal in the whole world. Yeah, and it is because I care about what I do and I want to do a great job, but like it really isn't a big deal. And now I'm kind of pressing more on, like how can it be a part of raising the vibration of the entirety of the world, not through me, but like just putting intention behind everything I'm doing, just positive and like empowering. And I feel

like you've always been that way too. It's just even through your music face value, like confident things like that, where you're just promoting people to feel the best that they can in dancing. I think it's such a high vibration as well. And just yeah, I've been dancing a lot lately too, just like in my I have a dance studio in my new house and so I've been dancing more. It's funny you say that, um, but yeah, I I do a lot. Like yeah, it's all of

that stuff. Anything that's gonna raise my vibration and and turn hopefully raise other people's vibrations. Like that's the path and journey I'm on, you know, I don't know. I just have like chills every time time you're saying these things. It resonates so much with my heart because it isn't

just about me. It was when I first started and it was crazy, but now that I kind of have weirdly gotten used to the lifestyle, now, I just want to do things that bring awareness and I want to listen and I want to be guided and I want to like it's almost like asking for help from the universe, being like, Okay, now I want to be of service to this planet because I see some people destroying the earth and like, yes, treating it like we're not totally

dependent on this place we're living on, Like that's The confusing part is we should be treating the Earth with so much respect because we're in a symbiotic relationship where if she goes down, so do we. And I don't know how that's so lost on people. And that's why I think it's so important that no matter how many people look at me as quote unquote nuts for thinking of or believing in all of this, it's like, I know, the importance is that we have to declare disclosure for

the American people because demand it like demand. We need to demand disclosure for our civilization because what lies in those secrets is not just the existence of unidentified flying objects or extraterrestrial beings, but what lies in those secrets is the technology that could save our planet from climate change and global warming. You know that that technology has been hidden along with all of this other information and um, and it wasn't until talking to Dr Stephen Greer that

I really realized that, and also watching his documentaries. But he's told me some really cool cool things and and uh, but but what we saw, I'm sorry I was getting. I was looking for loving everything you're saying, which again, like I also loved Commander in Chief. Like when you think you. It was like, Fuck, yeah, you're just such a badass and it's so weird because you put in a post. I think you put it in the post.

But if we would all meditate together, I had this crazy thought a couple of months ago, like what if a bunch of artists got together. It wouldn't be everybody, but at the stroke of midnight on whatever date, everyone just did one minute of oming. I just wonder what that would do for the planet. And I know that sounds insane and like some crazy thing that nobody would do, But what would happen. What would happen? Because oming actually

has health benefits. It can lower your it can help your immune system, There's so many things that can do, so not only is it good for you personally, but collectively, Like if if our fans were to also tune in and watch and meditate and um, they might be able to tap into something that there's gifts to meditation that

I think we're all capable of accessing. Like I actually believe that everyone has psychic abilities if they meditate enough and are able to hone in on those gifts through meditation. The more and more I've meditated, the more little rewards I've gotten, which is I used to think like why meditate, right, I can't sit still blah blah blah. It's like one that's the whole purpose to it. There is a reward system in a weird way, like I love jiu jitsu because there's a belt system. You know, you can you

can work towards something. I was like, well, what's the point of meditation if you can't work towards something. Well, now I've realized that those things that you work towards are making contact, it's furthering your psychic ability. It's remote viewing. It's things like that that are like gifts that come with meditating, which is actually really beautiful. What is remote viewing? I've never heard of that before. So remote viewing is where you can actually see something from where you are

psychically but in a different location. So I could like, I can't do it yet, but yet I'm working on it. But like I could describe the room that you're in, and you know, it would have nothing to do with me being there before or whatever. It's just through psychic abilities. So there's yeah, there's there's always cool little things that like I guess I don't know. I guess because music just doesn't do it for me like it used to anymore. Like my life just became so much bigger than just

music over the past year. It became about activism. It became about trying to save the planet, but also not putting that weight on my shoulders just like too much. No, No, it's just like it's like, what can I do to help others this year? And yeah, it's been very freeing. Well, it's amazing because I can almost feel that it's okay not to be okay. That song feels like it's being of service to people that need to hear that message.

So it is a song, and it's a great song, and your voice is fucking insane, Like we all know that your no. I was. I've like rewatched your documentary and just watching you sing is like, oh, you might be an alien. I think maybe you're an I think that as the highest complement ever I mean, I mean as the formal compliment thank you, but I kind of

feel you. I love music. I've always loved it. I've always had a passion for it, and I love touring, but the main thing I love is bringing people happiness and acting and that connection is what I think I missed so much this year. Was like I don't miss

putting on the outfit. The ass's chaps are like a cherry. Yeah, but like it's somehow becoming bigger than me and I want to do more and have these kind of conversations and just I don't know, explore the stuff that keeps life really magical and also ways to stay connected to each other and potentially to other worldly or other dimensions, things that we can't really explain but are there, yes,

and it's almost taboo to talk about. Yeah, and that's what's it's frustrating to have so many people kind of put you down for wanting to spanned your perspective on life outside of human civilization. You know, it's people shouldn't shame you for wanting to believe in things beyond our understanding. God, no shame should be to me. I feel excited and like I am like want to pick your brain because I want to know what you've seen and I would

love to raise my awareness. And then the people I talked to about it, like even just through talking about it on here, hopefully people listen to it and we're not actually crazy people. Maybe we like act like that on stage sometimes, but we're people that are just really connected to a lot of people, and if we can sit here and have a serious conversation about I fully know that there's extraterrestrial life. I've seen it. I don't think I've had the contact that you've had, which I

still have to hear more about. Yeah, I still gotta tell you, and I'm so sorry. I'll be sorry. I'm like obsessed with this conversation because it is almost like quote unquote crazy, and I hate that because it's some of the most natural experiences I've ever had have been with things that are paranormal or supernatural, and I get a lot of people rolling their eyes or saying like, oh, that's kuka doo. And I didn't ask necessarily to see some of it. And now I'm opening my heart and

being like, no, give me more. I want the access. Yeah, yeah, that's awesome. Yeah, I mean I've I've definitely had some very very I've had experiences of all kinds. The week that I was in Joshua Tree with Steven Greer, we I saw a bunch of stuff, whether it was a bright bright light from across the distance that I caught on video the first one I don't really remember finding, but I will show you the the the second night. First of all, this blue orb kept, oh my god, beautiful.

It kept floating in front of us like ft away, and then when I would try to walk up to it, it would just hop another back, so I could never chase it or get to it. But I was trying, And at one point in the night, I literally said, meet me in my dreams. Let's let's hang out in my dreams. We're calling it on the contact session tonight,

but you're welcome to come hang out my dreams. And Dr Greer calls this blue orb Kindness because they had an experience with the same blue orb in the desert where it actually healed somebody's hearing loss, and so they named it kindness. This et and so another there. I don't know if you can see this, but there's these like two lights blue. Yeah, that was caught on camera. That just showed up in some of the pictures. Is

that the same thing as WHOA, that's insane? Yeah? And and that I watched float in front of my friend mod He he was sitting there and it floated like right in front of his sleeve, and I was just like I looked at ductor green and I was like, do you see that? I was like yeah, I was like, that's wild. And then when that's all happening, are you just like are you freaking out? I really love doing this and I and I love meditating so much that

it doesn't really it's to me, this is fun. Like I I would choose a night of meditation over like a night out at a club anytime, especially if it

is going to result in contacting. That sounds insane and it almost sounds like I could be wrong, but it sounds like how I would approach an animal or something in the wild where you're yeah, I go swimming with whales sometimes and the mom like will come up and the baby will come kind of close, and then they'll come a little closer, and then they'll come a little closer and kind of judge the safety of what they're who they're dealing with. And to me, it almost sounds

like the same thing. Like this being is like I want to like be around you, but like I'm judging whether or not this is a safe space. Well, they have to. When you're making con time, you actually like you want to meditate, you want to say a few things you want to say, Please make contact if it's safe for you. In Palm Springs on my birthday, I realized that they only showed up for like ten to fifteen seconds, and I think it was because they were in the middle of an airspace and like something may

have could have happened. Maybe that's why they didn't stay longer. You know, you have to make sure that you're coming from a good intention place. The environment of who you're with is loving and supportive. You want them to feel safe and otherwise they won't show So the most recent contact I made, I went to this meditation retreat in Mexico the week of the election. Actually, and um, the foundation of the city was built. I think it's a

rose court. So the frequency of the city was just super amazing and it was super easy to make contact. We had been meditating all week and then it only took us ten minutes before we looked up and saw I like, we saw a ship and what looks like

a Concorde plane. You know, there's like black ones that look like triangles, looked like that, but it had two red lights and then at one point the ship just separated into two different ships like it can't explain it, but you're seeing it and you're just like cool, so everyone else saw that, Yeah, all right, so what and then you're just kind of and then it's just a real moment of like, so do we go inside? Like were you do we go to bed? What happens? Now?

I had that moment with my boyfriend was like, we saw that, So it's this weird like now what moment. You're like, we just saw something so unbelievable. And sometimes you just kind of go, yeah, okay, that was dope, Let's go to sleep, and then you just go inside and go to sleep. But what I will say, the most wild thing that's happened to me is it do you know what astral projection is? Okay, I've been reading about it and I'm trying to wrap my brain around

what it is. I've heard. I don't know exactly what it is, though. The best way that I can have been able to understand it and describe it is when you're when your consciousness leaves your body and you travel. You can travel to different places in the present, future, past, or um. You can travel to different planets like there's you can go travel, but you're basically, it's when you

have like an out of body experience. And the night that I asked that orb to come back and hang out with me in my dreams, I've I've fully actual projected that night in my sleep, and I wouldn't. Yeah, it just I had this experience where, like, all of a sudden, I was like, sounds so wild. I don't even know if fun to say. Then it's so yeah. Well it just was like I had this experience where I was like, come back, let's hang out in my dreams.

And then I was in my room that night and these beings, which I don't remember what they looked like. They were just like, do you want to come back to our planet? And I'm like hell yeah. So I'm sucked out of my room and I'm floating over the planet and I wasn't in like a ship or anything, and I'm just like hovering in like deep space and was just like whoa, and they're like you want to

come see and I was like hell yeah. And then I fly to this pink and purple planet that looked like Dr SEUs, very Dr SEUs like, and then I woke up and that's all I remember. And so I don't know if it was just a really intense dream or if I'm below an astro projected or I was abducted. I'm not really sure, but I open to any of it.

That's insane. It was it was beautiful. And then my friend had the same experience a week later once he got home from the same trip, and it was just it was wild because I was I was like, so, were you in a ship? And he was like, no, that was the weird part. And I was like, oh,

I know, it's just like things lining up. We're just it's really really interesting and and yeah, I know there's gonna be people that see this and they're like, she has lost her blind No, Well, then signed me up to because I think that the weirdest part is that we're when you talk about it, people think that that's insane, but there's so many people that have had this experience of something similar. Yeah. Yeah, just go watch some ancient aliens and that will blow your mind if you're not

open to this. That's what I did with my dad, my stepdad. He didn't believe in any of this stuff, and a few years ago I was like, Dad, just watch ancient aliens and try to like try to answer some of those questions. So then when he couldn't, he started getting into it, and then he started you know, now I think he believed. But I love that for you. It sounds like really enlightening and it's an experience that I'm like so open to having. But I feel like

it does take meditation. I think that's an important part of making contact. And even I don't know if it would be astral projection. I'm not sure what my experience was. I had a really strange experience during this time. Really, I want to hear. Yeah it was. It's not quite

as cool. I didn't have a blob that wanted to be my friend in the desert, but I was just I was having so much anxiety about the world and like the state of affairs, and I was like walking to the Whole Foods to get some flowers and I just couldn't stop crying. I just couldn't stop crying about people in pain and like how much pain there is in the world. I was so upset and I just

couldn't stop crying. I couldn't figure it out, and I was laying in bed and I was like, Okay, I'm gonna do um my like hypnosis kind of meditation thing, and all of a sudden, this my higher consciousness perhaps or whatever you want to call God. I don't really like love that word because that has so much baggage and death attached to it, But whatever you want to call it, the thing, the thing that I feel like people look for our whole lives. It like filled my

body physically and was started speaking to me. I was like, you're the kind of person that needs to feel things, and all of a sudden I just felt this way of light and love. And then my cat, who I swear to God is like a little mini Buddha. He like puts my headphones in his mouth and brings them over to me, and I just start hearing this voice talking to me for three hours, asking questions and visualization

is kind of like what you're talking about. And it looked very Dr SEUs is the thing which tripped me out, which is what you said. Everything looked almost like a cartoon from the seventies or something. Yeah. Wow. And it was the first time I could say, like, Okay, I believe in you, whatever you are, whatever name you need to have, whatever it is, I feel you, So I believe in you, and it kind of changed my life. And now I'm like on this path to go as deep as I can. So I'm so curious what next

time you go try to make contact? I am totally tagging along. Yes, absolutely, I mean literally there's sometimes where I'll just do it in my backyard. I'll just meditate and then I just will look up in the sky for a few minutes, since you if I see anything. But so there's tons of things that I started doing, things that have really helped me UM be able to like make contact easier. I think the more you meditate,

the easier it gets. UM. I think also this like the study of consciousness is something I've been really into. So I've actually been studying a lot of quantum physics and quantum theory and just like like string theory that because I was thinking about that recently and I cannot wrip my brain around some of the stuff though, Like I got my g E. D say, I got my my chest my California proficiency example, I passed that, and

that's it. Um. But there, well, there's this there's this book that UM I started reading in Mexico called A Happy Pocket Full of Money, and it actually has nothing to do with money. It's all about internal wealth and wealth consciousness, how you perceive your self value and um and how quantum physics actually has to do with that. They explain it in the second chapter and how like what you put out into the universe is what you receive.

And so I don't think I've learned about string theory yet, but it's just like that, there's a there's an actual science and what goes around comes around, and it's insane and it's I've just been like, whether it's I downloaded um Guaia onto my phone, do you know about guy about this? If I love it? Guya is basically it's a streaming service and it's like a Netflix, but it's all spiritual content. So I'm gonna write that down too, and then Guya And then the book you read was,

or you were reading a Happy Pocket full of Money. Yeah, okay, I'm gonna check all this out because I was reading about dimensions and how we can only operate in three four's time, and there's at least ten, if not more, dimensions. There's more, yeah, I mean from my understanding, So it's it's wild. I'll send you once you download Gaya. I'll send you links to some of the stuff that really blew my mind. And I think it's just gonna be a fun little rabbit hole we're going to go down.

Oh my god, I'm so excited. I'm so excited to write. I have an e extra a couple of minutes if you want to tell anybody about anything to check out or just anything at all. Yeah, Well, my favorite streaming service is an app called Guaya. The topics on here are so cool. So, like you go to brows and it has topics. It has everything from the very first is afterlife, but then it goes into ancient civilizations, decoded aliens, um, big pharma, like chakras, so it goes deep into Kim Trails,

crop circle. I mean it goes because in there's some like there's a lot that it goes in them, but there's also a ton of meditations. There's also like this really cool show called micro Dose where it's um big ideas and white size information. It's like seven minute long shows but um they talk about like one episode will be about the pineal gland, another episode will be about channeling. It's just really interesting. God, that sounds like my new honey is just yeah, And I'll send you all this

stuff to watch. It'll be fun. Oh my god, I'm so excited. I feel like you've just opened a door that's going to open a lot more doors. Oh good. Yes, And I can send you a bunch of books too. There's tens of books. Yeah, because I've just been reading about it. And then that's why I started this, is because I missed connection. And then I also want to take away the taboo of talking about things. I feel like, yeah, once you talk about it, you realize things are not

a they're not quote unquote crazy. And I don't really love that word because I feel like it's really dismissive of things that people just haven't experienced themselves, or they don't want to believe is true because it might funk with their whole system in your head of what you think is going on, or it might mess up the lineage of what Jesus said doesn't match up with what you're seeing, or it just I think it is too big that some people are scared of it existing. Well.

I was raised Christian, and so I understand a lot of those fears. But I think when you start doing your own research and you start digging into it more. I just have the belief that, like it's just a little bit bigger than that. Like I don't think that the bio bowls stops. I think there could be a Bible for every planet. Who says that you know that it that it just stopped with Earth. Who's to say there isn't a bible for every planet planet in the universe.

And each person can take the goodness, you know, it's like, take the good and leave the rest. There's this connection happening in this meditation that I had because I have a hard time with Instagram and all that ship. I have a hard time seeing negative stuff and I love connecting with people like that's how I reached out to you. But at the same time, then I see one person say something like terrible to me, and it bums me out. So I've been like, why go back to something that's

hurting you? Why would I go back and look at something it's hurting you? And I was reminded by reaching out to other artists like this, it's a connection tool. And in my meditation, this higher consciousness, extra terrestrial, whatever, God, whatever you want to call it. Some people call it God consciousness, God consciousness. I love that just because it's like, I don't think it's religion specific. I think it's all people.

We all have this consciousness. Um. It was saying that the connections were making through things like how we're on zoom right now or our phones. At some point we're all going to be talking about experiences like this enough that it's going to be unavoidable to realize that we're all experiencing really insane feeling things and we're not actually going insane. We're evolving. Yes, yes, and it's just we just need to talk about it and open the conversations up.

I think that the fastest ticket to human evolution is self discovery and inner growth. I think the more inner work we do on ourselves, the faster well collectively grow as a civilization. I agree, and that's a beautiful way. The end of this interview, Yeah, so much for lending your amazing mind. I'm like you did about everything you just told me, and I miss you already. I'm so excited. I'm gonna text you later. I talk to other stuff

because it's I feel like we're onto something. Yeah, definitely, I love this, and yeah, reach out to me anytime. I love talking about all of this stuff anytime. Me too. It's almost becoming like my obsession. Yeah. Yeah, there's some other artists too that like, are really into this ship as well. I think it can't hurt for us to stick together, you know. Yeah, I have a feeling by talking about it, and like, could be through music, but it could be through conversation, it could be through other

forms of art. Who who knows, but I feel like there are people experiencing this and it's happening. Yeah, definitely, Thank you so much for being on my podcast. I love you, Thank you, love you too. I'm so glad. Thank you, thank you U