Demons Vs Ghosts with Alice Cooper

good thing. But I'm happy that you are joining us today. Thank you for being on the very first of my podcast ever. I got to be the first guy on your show. You did. You were the first amazing, epic rock star, legend, amazing human being on my show, So thank you for that. You know we have the same kind of idea that horror and rock and comedy all

belong in bed together. I agree. I'm with you. I love a good like because I have a song called cannibal I know you have lots of songs about like dead babies, and can you have a song about cannibalism and all that? Stuff. So I just think like horror having fun, so like the comedy and then just the drama of it all. Yes, and you know the lighter side of cannibalism. Yeah, it's it's not a heavy song. It's a really very playful song, but it is about cannibalism,

you get it. Anyways, I wanted to like start off this very creepy conversation by asking you do you believe in the supernatural? The pair normal? I you know, I think it exists, but I think it exists on some different levels that that everybody tries to put it into the little little pockets that we can all understand. I don't think we'll ever understand it, you know, because I think it goes into different dimensions and things like that. I don't necessarily believe in ghosts as much as I

believe that demons like to pretend they're ghosts. When you watch ghost Hunters or any of these shows and they're down in a cellar somewhere and it's a little girl going daddy, Hello, Hi, daddy. I don't think that's a ghost. I think that's a demon doing a really good impersonation of a little girl. Well, it's just one of those things where I think that what demons do best is imitate.

And you know, I I talked to some of the guys that do these shows and I said, you know, be careful because I don't I think that you think you're talking to something innocent, and I don't think you are talking to something innocent, you know. Uh. And they said, well, why would they do that? And I said, to draw you in, to draw you closer to the occult, to draw you more into their world and out of your world. And I said that's the only reason they would they

would do that. Um, but be very careful and don't let them fool you. You know, I would never go down into a basement trying to find somebody that's dead down there. You know. I would assume you would love just because of like your persona and you would like to get pretend murdered all the time, that you just have a fascination with death. I think is safe to say, right, Well, well here's the deal. Uh. Joe Perry and I were

writing songs. We had just gotten out of rehab, so we were a little shaky, you know, and every single thing in this house was like I put my hat down, go in the other room and my hat would be not there anymore. And I just kind of chalked it up too. Well, yeah, I just got out of rehab, you know, so I'm not all there. But this happened all day to everybody. And in the end, we're having dinner that night and it sounds like somebody's moving furniture

in the basement. And you don't think that's a ghost. Well, here's the deal. It's not like the movies where you go, let's get a flashlight and go down and see what that is. Uh. I got out of there. I mean I got out of there faster than anybody because if I don't know what it is moving furniture in the in the cellar, you know, I don't want to know what that is. It's a very strong creature whatever it is. Yeah, well, I mean, whatever it is, it's not a it's not

a floating little ghost. It's something a lot heavier than that. I feel like different entities of different intentions, like the one ghost. I've had a couple of experiences, but I had one ghost that was in my house in Nashville and actually moved out of that house because things just started flying around and it got really scary, and I felt like I was almost being possessed wow by like an entity. I don't see why a ghost would do that. Why would a ghost do that? But would do that?

You know? See? That to me is the difference right there between something with an intentional evil or something that's just floating around going, hey, I'm lost, I don't know where I am. You know. So I had another experience with a ghost, I'll just call it that, but it was very much more innocent, feeling like, I feel like it was just a lost soul and I felt almost like they needed a body to inhabit, an energy to suck off of, much like shitty people. Yeah, well it

might have been Elvis. He was just a regular the guy, you know. But I would imagine if there were ghosts, he would have shown up by now, Yeah, he may have. I've been to Graceland. Places pretty creepy. I think if you could spend the night there. I actually love Graceland. The creepiest thing about Graceland is the interior decorator. I'm obsessed with it. That's what I want my home to look like his Graceland. It's like a slight derailing of

the conversation. But I love Graceland. I love how creepy it is. I love creepy. Well, Elvis was great, you know. I mean the whole thing about Elvis was he was so much bigger than life, you know what I mean, his image, his everything about him. When he walked into a room, it was it wasn't it was just like he filled the room, you know what I mean. He was magical. Yeah, he's a magical human. And then when you start talking to him, he becomes extremely human, extremely Memphis.

You know, you're the cat with a snake, right, all right, man, that's cool, you know that kind of thing. And you got all of a sudden, you're the nicest guy that you ever met in your life. And the next thing I know, I'm standing in the kitchen with a gun pointed at him because he said, here, almost show you how to take a gun out of somebody's hand, because

he was a karate guy, you know. And he hands me a loaded thirty eight and so I had the gun there, and he knocked it out of my hand, and I was on the floor and his boot was in my throat and I'm and I'm going, that's good, that's good. Elvis. Can I get up now? Right? That's guys, I realize. I realized one thing about him was that you or I never want to get as big as Elvis because he had no life. He had can't imagine even you're you're like one of the most famous human

beings on the earth. I feel like every time someone meets you, they probably do that I'm not worthy thing, right, Yeah? Absolutely absolutely, Well, yeah you get how much how much TikTok do you get? You know? I get it? Oh yeah, every time somebody it's like I'll be like I have to brush my teeth and I can never say that sentence ever again without someone being like with a bottle of jack. Yeah, that's right. They you know, Jack Daniels, you should be using you for their commercial immediately. Oh

they are. They sent me like they sent me a lot of alcohol. Oh good. But the thing was, though, is you never want to be that big because he literally had no social life at all, because he couldn't go play pool, he couldn't go to the movies, he couldn't go shopping, he couldn't go out to dinner without eight guys with him, you know, because he was that big. Yeah, like security guards you mean, or just like he had the Memphis Mafia. Yeah, I mean like eight of his

best friends and they had a great time. But he literally could not just have any freedom. You had no freedom, I can imagine, especially like now that there's the Internet and we do stuff like this like virtual interviews and ship like that. It's really different than I would save him back like in the seventies, where you're just a creature of legend. You're just this like legend that people have to come see in the flesh to believe is real, versus now super different. Yeah, I think we we become

a little bit more human now. You know, I've always said that I want the Alice image on stage to remain mystical. I want that character to be a mystical character that's not human. He doesn't say thank you, he doesn't say you know, he just is some other kind of entity up there on stage and then off stage to be exactly the opposite of him, like who you

are genuinely in your heart? Yeah, you you sign everything, you take pictures with everybody, you laugh, you kid around, go to the mall, go you know, just live a regular life. But why don't you become Alice. You get to become this arrogant villain, you know, you get to become this like bigger than life villain. You get to lay your evil out. I feel like that's where you can put all your just like being an asshole and being super evil, can go all into the Alice. Yeah.

It's great therapy, great therapy. But you know that you're here. You are Kesha, right, and then I know the Kesha on stage different Kesha. That's that's more of an untouchable character. Well, I'm just like a false psycho. Yeah, but that's great that you should be. It is like a great outlet though. It's almost like it's like scream therapy or something. When you just get to let it all out. That's what I feel like when I go on stage. I just let it all out. That's it, and you feel great

after your show. Right, if it's a good show, Yes, yeah, it's always a good show. As long as I don't like piss or ship in my pants, it's usually a pretty good job. Which that hasn't happened very much. Just letting everybody know listening, it's only happened one time. Your name like your stage moniker That was from Auiji board. Is that a true story. That's not a true story. It's not a true story. Okay, but it's a better story than the real story. Okay, well let's just keep

it at the better story. Well, here's the deal. There was somebody we I when I thought of the name Alice Cooper, the idea was it should be totally opposite of who the band is. Here's this band of villains. I mean we were, like, you know, we terrified everybody, right, And the name is Alice Cooper, sweet little old lady that lives down the street, a little demon in the basement. Yeah, well she makes cookies for the kids. Since that you know, and that you know that that sort of oxymoron thing

made it work. It was people were expecting one thing and they got something else, and it was an obvious, you know, play on the public. But now when you think the name Alice Cooper, it's creepy, sweet little old lady. It's like when I think it's very different because we've been snarkling together. But before I met you, it was like full creepy death showmanships, snakes, Chicken, like all of the like craziest ship I could ever imagine. That's what what I thought of what I thought of you, and

it still is on stage. That's what it is. That's a great show. It's it's a it's sort of the dark vaudeville kind of show. Well, that's why I would think you'd like be super obsessed with the ghostie things because of like kind of the death I see, like evil nurses and the guillotine and stuff like that. So that really doesn't have anything to do with you wondering

what's going to happen in the afterlife or anything like that. No, you know, being a Christian, I I know what's going to happen in the afterlife, so I don't I don't deal with I don't worry about it. But at the same time, you know, I think, no, your enemy. You know. I watched the ghost shows, and I watch all the paranormal shows, but I watch it in a different in a different way. I watch it and say, Okay, how

do how does this affect me? And I realized that you could be sucked into this real easy, you know. So I look at myself outside of it. I know it exists, but I don't have to be in it. I've been asked to do these shows. Oh my gosh, and you did it. Because you do it, you don't want to invite it into your Absolutely. That's the thing with Auigi board too. You do not want to play with Auiji board because you don't know what's coming through.

I mean, you're opening gates there. You're opening the doors to something that could come through and attached to you and stay with you for a long time, which I think is what I did because I thought it was really fun. And then I had a ghost living inside my body for like six months. Really wow, I really do think I did because things were moving around in my house and then I just started hearing this almost like just dark that there's a darkness. And then I went and had a full um what do you call

it when you get blessed? Yeah, yeah, yeah, and covered my house in salt and everything stopped moving around and I felt like a little more at peace. But so after going through that experience, I felt like, sometimes you really need to see it or feel it to believe it. Since then, I've been fascinated with, like all things paranormal. I do think it also like you could be other dimensional energies or beings, yes, which could explain UFOs, I think. Okay, So I was going to ask you, because you live

in Arizona, how do you feel about aliens? Well, you know here, Sedona is one of the five places in the world that has the most sightings, and I mean it's ridiculous. We had the eras of the Phoenix Lights. Uh. I think it was the Phoenix Lights where this thing flew over Phoenix and it was the size of three football fields and didn't make a sound, and everybody saw it. Everybody looked up and went, what the hell is that? Did you see it? Yeah? Oh yeah, Oh my god,

you know, and I'm studing. I'm going, well, this is it. We're being invaded and it just flew over but it wasn't trying to hide. It went over the city and everybody saw it. That is so crazy that you saw that. That would blow my mind. Well, it was like you were just any other way. It was like a Spielberg movie, you know, where you're like this. That's kind of how

I feel like with the coronavirus. I feel like it's like a movie and I'm not really sure what to do for the ending part is going to happen yet, But I experienced a spaceship in the desert and Joshua Tree and I had kind of the same thought where I was like, yeah, yep, that exists. So obviously, if they've been seeing these things, they're they're not here to kill us or heard us, so they would have done that already. We must be amusing to them. I think so too. I think we're like the zoo that they

come and we look at all the stupid things were doing. No, really, I think we may be a comedy show for the aliens. I would explain a lot. Well, so I have I have another theory that maybe aliens are us in the future, when we've learned how to try time travel backwards visit us. Well, that's a good movie and you should write that thank you. That came out of my own friend. How about this, though, how do we know that COVID nineteen isn't an alien?

It could be just invading, like a very tiny, tiny alien. It's the first it's the first wave of the invasion. You could be onto something. We should have alert, We should alert somebody. They're cute little guys. Mean, they're really cute little guys, like little beach balls with little fuckers. So did you shoot your drummer in the knee, in the ankle and the ankle on purpose. We might have had something to do with alcohol. U at the hell of a drug. You know. We were very young and

we were out. We had my sister's car driving through the desert on a lot of alcohol. Everybody had a twenty two, and we were shooting rabbits, you know, at night. And right as I right as I pulled the trigger, Neil Smith swung around. He was on the front of the hood and it hit him in the ankle, and we didn't know he was shot. So he gets something, starts running and falls down and he says, oh, I sprained my ankle, and we looked at as a perfect hole right in his ankle. He didn't even know you

shot him in the ankle. No, well a little. And the very next day we had to go down to the draft board because we were all eighteen years old, and you know, you have to report a gunshot moons, right, And so we went in and uh, the guy says, police guy says, so how did you get shot? And he says, well, I got my draft noticed today, So I tried to kill myself by shooting yourself in the ankle, and the guy looks at me and he knows I

shot him. You know, he knows that I shot him, and I'm kind of looking down and going, Okay, you know that's pretty creepy. That's a creepy as story. Yeah, but that could happen in Nashville easily, you know that. Oh god, yeah, just hill billy's alcohol and guns. That could happen anywhere. That's us. So did he still did he still remain your friend and drummer? Oh? Absolutely, we're still. I just did a sess you with him yesterday and he still has part of the bullet in his ankle.

Oh my god, that is so crazy. See, I'm like, okay, when we're done, I'm going to call my drummer and ask him if I shot him in the foot, if he would still be my drummer until I'm years old? And I he'll say yes, Eliah. So I have a question for you. It's really important, love it. If I were to get drunk and shoot you in the foot, would you still want to be my drummer till till we're like nine years old? Yes? Done? Told you perfect drummers I mean foot? Yeah, fine, head brain r I

P when you can tell somebody. Yeah, I kind of got out of the line and Alice shot me. It's such a good story. That's a serious band right there. You know, that's how you test if someone's really in it for the long hauls. Forty years later and he's still with me. That's great. That's like what I think my drummer would be, like, Oh, I think you know Elias and Calico. Yeah, and I just think he's too lazy probably to find another gig. But I could totally

shot I think that's drummer. Okay. So end of the sixties going into the seventies, was it like in the atmosphere like zeitgeistie that it was just time to be creepy or did you always know you wanted to freak people out, like around the Mansony times. It's you know, the hippies were just wonderful for a long time until the Manson thing happened. Yeah, all of a sudden, then hippies became dangerous, and you know, and they now you didn't look at a hippie the same way because they

could be vicious killers. We were already doing things that we were never hippies, you know, we were never you know, peace love, and we were always more SWITCHBLADESNS and ferraris. Okay, you never went through that phase. I just want to know if you ever had like a secret hippie phase. Never. Calico was so depressed because she says, I was born in the wrong decade. I really wanted to be a hippie. Me too. I feel the exact same way. Her and

I are so similar. It's so funny. I really do think in another life we are totally a lot of bell bottoms. Yeah no, I love that, and I wish I'd lived through that. But also just the manson that whole time. I just wish I'd lived through that, just to feel what happened. Because you were living in l A during that time, right, we we actually were living in to Panga Canyon and we used to see the girls,

all those girls at the general store. Wed go down to get our mail, and they were always dancing in the dirt and you know, with the flowers, and they were just hippie girls. We just said, oh, hi, don dona, Hi, Hi Hi. Next thing, we said, I'm watching a TV and there they are, you know, their murder, and I went, that can't be the same girls, and that was the same girls. I lived actually in Laurel Canyon right behind that store, the one store that's still there, Yeah, the

Country Store. Yeah yeah, So like it's called the Door's House, and then right next to it's the Eagles House. Is so the legend goes the Eagles recorded in one, the Doors recorded in the other, and up the street was like the Frank Zappa House. And then I lived right next door to Frank No, I lived right above him, and Mickey Dolan's lived next door to me from the Monkeys. Oh yeah, it was a very cool time. Yeah, it really was. But I just like I would totally be

a hippie. But then I also have a fascination with like the occult and cults in general. And I could see myself, I don't know, being like lured in by this like hippies with naives thing. I don't think I could ever murder anybody, but I would like definitely be fascinated with it. Well, you know, most of these cults

were absolutely harmless. They were just a bunch of kids that lived together in free sex and everybody eight meals at the same time, and they were all on acid and they were but None of them were really dangerous until you get somebody that takes on the Messiah complex. And he took on the Messiah complex and started controlling, and he was you know, he was much older than these young girls are, and so he became the father figure. And so everything that he said when they were on

drugs seemed like gospel. And that's why they that's why they killed for him. Yeah, it's so crazy because sometimes I think about how religion and rock and roll sometimes can get almost like there's some similarities that people look up to you. Everything you do and say on stage becomes like almost this like word of God. When you're like obsessed with someone as a kid. Yeah, well you know when if you if you go and see uh Jesus Christ Superstar. You know, I got to play King

Herod and that in the TV show. And the thing was, it was pretty right on when it came to who Jesus was. Jesus never hung out with the with the priests, He never hung out with the kings. He hung out with you know, the prostitutes. He hang out and hung out with the thieves. Because he said, a doctor doesn't need to go to somebody that's well a doctor needs to go somebody that's sick, and so he spent all of his time with people that were destitute and poor

and hungry and you know, had nowhere to go. That was his that's he said, these are my people here. Well, I feel very much that way, like I would feel way more comfortable, like down at the Venice boardwalk. I feel very comfortable when everybody is running around right now, they're running around with machetes. It's kind of crazy, but I feel like very comfortable. I don't know why I feel comfortable and like chaos, but anyways, thank you for

being on the show. Thank you for being a creep, true and true, and I love you very much and hopefully i'll see you very soon. Kesha, I'll see you again. And you look great, by the way, really terrific. You like my dark hair, Yeah, it looks good. I'm going for the Alice Cooper lock. I like it.