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The Earth is Flat - REBUTTED! by Larken Rose

Feb 16, 202132 min
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Yeehaw, what you guys are doing a video about the flat or thing? Now, I know a lot of people are going to say, why would you entertain that? Why would you let anybody bring up that? It's just a distraction. It's just and I totally sympathize with the people who say that I'm say, it's just a distraction. It's just it's a stupid ridiculous thing. He can't talk people into it whatever else and I totally sympathize. For that. And there are a couple Reasons. I'm doing this.

Anyway, first of all, I think there are a lot of people who are simply ignorant. There's a difference between ignorance and stupidity, and most of us are ignorant about most things, myself included. And so it's no sin to be ignorant in some field of thought. And it doesn't necessarily mean the person stupid. There's a difference between your brain doesn't work and your brain doesn't have certain information in it. So there's a lot of well-intentioned but misguided

people. People who are being duped by these distractions and silliness whether or not, it's some intentional plan to distract people and make people believe stupid stuff, which it very well may be or if it's just other ignorant people passing it on. So there's a reason to like, I want to help the people who are just being duped by something. That sounds interesting and they don't know enough to see through it. But more than that.

The main topic here isn't really even the shape of the Planet. It's the the issue of understanding versus believing because most people in most things, they know, they don't know it. They believe it and there's there's a big difference and the people who believe things assumed that everyone else just believes things. They don't actually do think in such a way that not used to thinking in patterns that they even know what it means to know,

something to prove something. When most people say, This proves that they mean I saw enough confusing stuff that I am persuaded in mathematics and science. Proof actually means something specific. It means logically ruling out. Any other possibility. It doesn't mean persuading somebody who doesn't know what they're doing. Oh incidentally, if anybody posts memes or videos or anything under this, in either direction on this issue under this.

I'm going to delete it if you can address what I if and if you go and and rants about anything. Not related to what I'm actually talking about. In this video. I will delete that to use your words, whether your flat Earth around where you use your words to actually explain things relevant to what I'm going to be talking about. Otherwise, it's going to get deleted because so quickly this turns into a giant pile of noise. Most most of what passes for education is memorization.

It's not understanding its people here, crap. They memorize it. They write it down. Test, they get a good grade. My father was a mathematics and science teacher for a bazillion years and I know flat-earthers will say, I don't know, he's in on the conspiracy. I bring it up because he taught in a very unorthodox way, and it's funny because one year, he was voted the students.

The most students voted for him as their favorite teacher and the most students voted for them for him as their least, favorite teacher. And for the same reason, which is he didn't teach the way most education. Asian teaches, which is you sit there. I'll feed you stuff. You memorize it. You barf it back on a test and I'll give you a good grade. He taught people to actually think he said, here's the here's

what we're trying to figure out. I'm not going to tell you how to figure out, you have to figure out how to figure it out and then figure it out and he would, you know, help along the way and give hints and stuff. But it was actually creative thinking and the people who are used to just memorizing and spouting things back. A lot of them are uncomfortable in the class because like this isn't what I'm good at.

So they're the ones who didn't like it in the ones who actually like to think and figure things out. One dick was like, wow, I actually understand this because I made it my own and I actually looked and figured out how, you know, the evidence and the logic and yet. Now, I really know it is most of what people know is not about them knowing anything. It's they took things on faith and they memorized it and spouted it back.

Now. I'm going to say to two of the nicest things I can say in favor of Flat Earth, people people who believe the Earth is flat. If you originally believed that, it's spherical because somebody said so and for no other reason. In other words, if you just if you took it on faith that it was fear Oracle, and then later you said, maybe I shouldn't have, maybe I should question that good.

I'm glad I want you to be able to question everything and especially if it was a belief for you not an understanding. There was a belief for you. I'm glad you doubt it. However, jumping to a different belief is not an improvement, the Improvement. Our belief is actual understanding. Now, now I'm going to pick on the round earthers because most of the people who say, of course, it's very cool. Of course, it's round. Everybody knows that they don't know how to prove it either.

Most of them took it on faith. And so they're just repeating their feet. Now. Most of them may have more sort of anecdotal evidence, implying it and indicating it. So they have reason to believe it but they've never bothered to look into the geometry of the sex or anything say, well can actually prove it and I like to sometimes I would in conversations go to the round earth or since they can you actually give a geometric or mathematical proof that the Earth is spherical and most go?

I know. And that's fine. You're allowed to be ignorant of that. Most people are on both sides of the argument. They don't really know how to prove it. Either way. They have lots of reason as well though. There are flights over there and we have satellites and GPS and so they have this collection of stuff that too. And indicate something but that is not what a scientific proof actually is. And so I'm going to give today, I'm going to give an actual proof that the Earth is not flat.

And I mean a proof in the scientific sense and I'm not going to rely on anything. You have to like believe NASA for or textbooks or anybody else you believe your own eyes, and that's it. And because it's not that difficult to do if you actually know how to do it.

And so many people again. It's people projecting their own ignorance when they say you just believe what NASA says because they did what they're saying is they took it on faith that it was spherical when somebody told them that and they're assuming everybody else did too. So they say, well you never looked in. If you've never researched it, you've never bought a little raw. What they mean is they never thought about it?

They never understood it. They never examined it and they're projecting on everybody else. The same thing, which is amazingly arrogant to say and people do this in All the time when they say there's no way to know that. Okay? Okay, we have a big rectangle. And this one is 87 feet long. And that side is 13 feet long. What's the diagonal? Well, there's no way to know that without measuring it.

Well, thanks to Pythagoras. There's a very easy way to know it. But if you don't know how to know it. Okay, that's just ignorance. But if you Proclaim nobody in the world knows how to do this, how to figure this out because I don't that is ignorant and arrogant at the same time and what flat-earthers I constantly see them doing is theirs. Is no proof of this. It's all just Theory and conjecture what they mean is,

they don't understand the proof. So they don't know if there is one, but to declare that there isn't one because you don't know about it is ridiculously ignorant. There are proofs. There are files are proofs. I'm about to show you a very simple one. And then the question is, just how invested are you in your belief? I don't want you to be invested in me. I don't want you to believe that the Earth is spherical. I don't want you to believe.

It's flat. I want you to actually understand what you're looking at. When you open your eyes looking at the world, and be able to prove it prove it to yourself and prove it to other people. Now. The the before I do the actual proof. It's amazing how often flat-earthers the basically used their own ignorance as proof that the world is flat. And I don't mean they think it's five because they're ignorant. I mean, they will actually use their own ignorance as the proof because they'll say.

But what about this? How do you explain this? How do you explain that thing? What they're saying is I don't know how to explain this. I don't know how to explain this. I don't know how to explain this. Therefore. That's the Inclusion, you not knowing how to explain or prove or solve. Something is not proof that anything is true or false. Well, it's proof that you're ignorant in certain areas. But other than that, it's not proof of anything. And yet that's usually they're

think I'll give an example. There is a video called 200 proofs that the Earth is flat or that, it's not spherical. I forget which shows and it's 200. Examples of people who don't understand anything about geometry. A lot of them have To do with the fact that flat-earthers don't know what the words down and level mean they all the way don't know what they mean. If this is the Earth, the round earth crazy Theory, they think that is down. It's not down means towards the

center of the plant. So a bunch of their complaints are will water. Always Finds Its level, it won't stand a ball, it will go down. And that's true. If you understand what down means they say. Well, the pilots who fly planes, they should have to like, tip the nose down to make up for the curvature of the earth. No, you don't understand what down is when you're building a road. You don't have to account for the curve. It's because you don't

understand what down. He's down means towards the center of mass of the planet purple or level means perpendicular to down. So, on a planetary scale. This is level. This is what's level.

Yes water, Finds Its level and this is the level because down is towards the center of mass and half of the proofs were just demonstrations at Flat Earth. People don't know what down and level mean and if you understand, oh, yeah, you don't have to change the row because if you keep the road level and that's the center of the earth, it very gradually makes the

circle. If you can make a route around the whole freaking world all with it would register as level and it would make a circle because down is towards the center. Last of the planet, it's not down. Like this same thing with water findings, balance, and a bunch of other things like that. But when they spout out these things, how do you explain this? How do you explain that? They're just demonstrating that they don't know how to explain things which is fine.

But to use that as proof of something. I can't explain A and B and C. Therefore D is true. That's just crappy logic. So I'm going to show you actual proof. Again, using a thing that you don't have to take my word for anything. You only have to believe your own eyes.

If you know, anybody anywhere who's a significant distance east or west of you do a simple experiment where you hang a yardstick you suspend it, so, it points straight down on a sunny day and you hang from the ground and you see how long its shadow is and you mark the shadow on the ground and you measure. And let's say this guy here says alright Shadows about a foot and a half long. If that's the yard, maybe the Shadows foot and a half long and then you call somebody.

Be significantly Easter rest of you. Somebody who can see the Sun at the same time. And you say, first of all, how far away are you from me? Second of all, do the same experiment? Hey, hold up a yard stick and hold it. So, it's hanging straight down. Ready, ground level measure the length of the Shadow. So let's say, this guy says, well, I have a 4-foot, shadow will have a foot-and-a-half shadow. Now, if you do the simple geometry, you don't need to use Sines and cosines and all that

equation. I mean you can use them if you know how to Or you can do it the old way you can triangulate and find the exact height of the sun based on this distance. How far apart you are from your buddy on the phone. And based on the length of the Shadow is you can make triangle no matter how long the Shadows are. Now I'm going to do the easiest possible example that makes the math really damn simple. It's a version of that, but it's as easy as you can get. Now, the mask gets really,

really, really easy. If you're at the Waiter, if you're north or south of the Equator, then you have to take into account, the fact that it's, you know, you're looking a little bit South down at the sun because it won't be all the way overhead. But I'm going to use the example of knowing. Let's say you're in Maine and you say, all right, right about. Now.

I'm going to call my buddy when the sun is directly overhead, and it didn't really directly overhead itself, but it's over head as far as East and West, it's only salvation. South. It's at the top of its arch in the sky and your in Maine and you say, okay. My shadow is as little as it gets, it's not at all. There's no Shadow going east or west of that. I'm going to call my buddy in Death Valley, California because that's about 3,000 miles. Little short of that, but close

enough. We're going to do the simplest math and say, hey buddy, would you mind doing this experiment where you hold up a yardstick and measure the shadow, it makes and your body and Death Valley, California while you're doing this live on. Phone will say, well, I measure it as it happens. My yardstick casts a shadow. That's about our yard long. Now we use rough numbers here.

They accuracy doesn't even particularly matter, you know, we can have a 50% margin of error and it would still be good and we're much better than that. So you better than California says my shadow is a yard long, you're saying I don't have a shadow at all that makes the math ridiculously easy because if this distance, can you to him is 3,000 miles and the Sun is directly over you because you're pointing up to it. And his shadow is 3 feet long. That's a perfect, 45 degree

angle. That means from his shadow. He's looking at 45 degrees up to the sun. You're looking straight up to the Sun and therefore, those two lines determine where the sun is. And like I said, this is the simplest, the math gets, if that's 3,000 miles and this is the 45 degree angle. Then this is 3,000 miles. Which means if the Earth is flat you and your flat Earth buddy, just proved that the the sun is 3,000 miles off the ground. Cool. Nifty Spivey works fine. Excellent.

Good job, very scientific of you. You can do this yourself. It's really freaking easy there. You call your buddy and Hawaii is another 3,000 miles. Not quite that far, but close enough for our four measurements here. And you ask your buddy in Hawaii. Hey, buddy, in Hawaii. Can you do this experiment? Hold up. A yardstick? And measure its shadow and say but we we flat earthers are so in the know. And so understanding. We're going to tell you what

you're going to find. You're going to find that you're looking at the sun at about a 27 degree, angle in the sky and your Shadow will be about 6 feet long because for you, it was 0 for him. It was three feet for him. It'll be about 6 feet. It will cut this angle in half. It won't be that sharp. It will be 27 degree angle in the sky. And you say, this is awesome. We're going to tell you ahead of time.

We the understandings of the A flat Earth, what you will find when you do this experiment and your buddy in Hawaii will say sorry dude. The sun is at the Horizon. It's at zero degrees. It's just coming up over the ocean right now. My shadow is infinite. It goes forever. It goes all the way off the island because the sun is straight across from me. That is called a proof that the Earth is not flat because if these people were in a straight line and this is 3,000 miles and

this is 3,000 miles. This guy would see the sun there. He doesn't see the sun dare call him and ask if he sees the sun there he won't he will see it over there, which doesn't work on this model. This picture is false because this line and this line in this Don't intersect anywhere. If you just ask the Hawaii guy in this guy, oh, where's the sun? It's a, it's sitting on top of your frickin head because you're looking up and I'm looking straight across.

The Sun is basically your hat. And if you talk to this guy and this guy, their lines don't intersect at all, like it. Well, that's utterly impossible. You're seeing up in the sky unseeing, it below you. It doesn't freaking work. That's called a proof that the Earth is not flat. So, what actually explains We see when we do this experiment. When you do this experiment with your buddies and your cell

phones and your yardsticks. Golly, gee, here's the guy in Maine who points straight up to look at the sun. Well, a little bit South but as far as East and West is concerned straight up. Here's the guy in Death Valley, California, who points. Here's how he standing. He points at a 45 degree angle to assign a really, really, really freaking far away in that direction. Now the Hawaii works. He's pointing flat to the Horizon and its really dying far away.

This model actually matches. What you see, when you walk out your fucking door and look in the sky. The Flat Earth model doesn't it is provably false. Now, we're not done there because you on a daily basis, have more evidence that the Earth is not freaking flat for this. I'm gonna throw this around a little bit. Yeah, Deedee Deedee. And I'm going to bring you up. I'll first of all. So you can see this. This is my flat Earth Map. Let me move this. You can see more of it.

Here's my flat Earth Map. This is what flat-earthers think the Earth is, is shaped. Like now, I just scribbled it. Obviously, the South Pole is actually this humongous ring that goes around everything North Pole is in the middle. Here's how America North America Africa, you can tell how much effort they put into the Drawings, here's the equator. Now according to them, the Sun is going around in a circle over the equator about 3,000 miles up.

Now, depending on, when they do their calculations, they argue with each other about how high up it is, but I just had you do the proof of the the simple math version that if it's a flat Earth, it's 3,000 miles off the ground. Okay. So here, we have the Flat Earth model. Here's the outside. Here's the Equator. So this is what they say the Sun Goes Around. Dee dee dee dee dee dee dee dee dee dee. Here is your view.

Here's your view. I'm putting you at the tip of South America. Sears, son. This is about the height. It would be at Here we are Tada. It's at the equator is right here. This is about 3,000 miles up here is what the sun would do. Do you notice anything suspicious? Do you notice tooth? Suspicious things? Here is what the sun would do if you were at the tip of South America on a flat Planet looking up. Number one suspicious thing, that's kind of hard to miss the

sun doesn't ever set. If the world was flat at no point with the Sun, ever set for anybody anywhere on the whole freaking planet. Is that what you observe when you go out and see the sun item? Number two? Do these look the same size? Guess what? They are? The same size, do they look the same size? No, because if something is twice as far away from you, it looks half as big. And if you remember the drawing, I did of the three people in Maine and them and man in California and Hawaii.

The guy in Hawaii is, looking over 6,000 miles to the Sun, where the guy with the Sun Street over, Miz only looking at three, does the Sun get less than half as big. At the end of the day, nope, and you can take pictures and you can see. Oh, it's the same freaking shape. It's the same freakin sighs. The whole day. Do these look like the same size? Because guess what? They freaking are? Does this look like what the sun

does in the sky? No, because it freaking doesn't now it's even better if you're on the equator. And by the way as it happens the Acapulco Acapulco is close enough to the equator to be a great example. If you're on the equator, you will see the sun directly overhead. It will never get closer to the Horizon than this ever. According to the Flat Earth model, which means you'll see Huge Sun overhead and then you'll see it go away in the distance over here and get

really little. And then come back and come back and go over your head. It will never get closer to the Horizon than this and it'll get really damn small. If you're in Acapulco. Is that what you see? No, it's not. You see a sign that looks the same freaking sighs. The whole time come up in the east, go straight over you and go down in the West. It doesn't match the Flat Earth model again. None of this required you to believe anybody's pictures, anybody's equations and anything.

It's the simplest freaking math in the world. This is not reality. It is probably not reality. Now this adds who cares. A lot of people are saying, like, why even bother with this, like, the people who talk about that, don't understand enough for it to, even be worth arguing about. I have to mention some people declare that will will, the reason for that is the sun is really a spotlight that shines on a piece of it. If you saw a spot light in the sky going like this.

It wouldn't stay the same size and set, it would disappear. As you got outside the cone. Try it with a freaking Spotlight. Do you see the sun in the sky? Getting a little and disappearing?

No. See it the same freaking size going below, the Horizon, which is absolutely impossible on this crappy model because this crappy model is false and provably false and people have known this for thousands and thousands of years, but enough people are ignorant and believe things, they were taught that then when they get taught something else, a different assertion and they go, well, that sounds cool. I'm going to believe that that they fail for it.

And it's frustrating as hell to watch, decent gullible people. Mistaking believing for understanding and using their own ignorance as proof of something. Now. I don't know, throw on a couple things. Here's the thing that the The Platters or will actually like often they bring up the thing about the moon-landing notice, nothing. I did required anything about the moon, doesn't matter what it is where it is. For this proof that the Earth isn't flat. People say, what do you think we

landed on the moon? I don't actually know. I always assumed we did. I think it's possible to, however, I know that governments lie, a lot and in the space race against the Russians. I could see, I could totally see a bunch of bureaucrats saying, you know, it's going to be cheaper and easier to fake it than it is to actually do it. Let's do that. No idea, if that's what they did. I understand the physics of what it would take whether they actually pull that off.

I don't know. So you don't particularly care because I don't need their pictures of the Moon. Oh, it's an era when Peaches a the moon isn't flat and you have no way to prove. Otherwise, there's a very, very, very easy way to prove. Otherwise call your body in California. If you're in Maine called, somebody Far East or West of you have them, take a picture of the moon. At the same time. You take a picture of the Moon and then put the picture side by

side. And if you know how to cross your eyes you will absolutely and completely see On any freaking doubt, the spherical nature of the moon. It's called a stereogram. You can look it up online. Look up, stereogram Moon. And if you can cross your eyes, you get to see the spherical Moon. It is not debatable. The fact that maybe you didn't

know how to prove. That doesn't mean, nobody knows how to prove that and that is the ultimate ignorance is to decide that because you don't understand something, then nobody does. And so wide. Father, doing this video in part because I think there are people gullible who are falling for Kraft who are merely ignorant and it's not a sin to be ignorant. Ignorant doesn't equal stupid. Now, there's a lot of things.

You can't explain if you, you know, if you're trying to believe in Flat Earth, and they and their argument boils down to again, a list of their own ignorance has. Like, I don't know how to explain A B C or D. Therefore. It's flat. No, therefore, maybe you should learn to Stand things. Because when you understand things do they actually make sense. And by the way, when you're really far up north or really far down south.

Sometimes, the sun will stay in the sky for days and days knees, or be gone from the sky for days. And days and days, which is because the Earth is tilted on an axis. And if the sums over here and the Earth is here, spinning this way and you're at the North Pole, you will see the sun the whole frickin time. And if you're on the South Pole, you won't see it at all for days and days until you come back around. And the axis is more in line. That makes perfect sense.

Is there any accounting for that in the Flat Earth model? Nope, not the slightest. This is basic geometry that people have understood for centuries. And the fact that a lot of people today don't understand, it is kind of sad again, you know, people can be ignorant about the end of the world if people understand, don't commit aggression against other people. I don't particularly care how much they know about geometry and stuff.

However, when they fall for this stuff and allow themselves to be duped and then they go out as if they're in the know when they literally don't know what it means to know. Something that's frustrating to watch as somebody who likes math and science and any actual science like the scientific process. Not any old crap packaged and has the label of science. Stuck on it because there's a lot of garbage that says well this Council science about all

sorts of issues. So I don't mean anything that's science, that science isn't a person. That's not an institution. It's a method of Figuring stuff out and lots of people. Totally suck at that. So the reason I did the video is, I don't want gullible people falling for this second. I want people to understand the difference between believing and understanding and Third, it will be a test for who actually clings to something provably false. I just gave an actual proof that

the Earth is not flat. That model is provably bogus that you can do yourself. You don't have to take NASA's word for you. Have to believe a textbook enough to do anything else, and you can do it at one point during the day. You don't even like it's something you personally witness every single day, that that model does not explain the world. Now. If after seeing that people make up excuses and say what about this? What about that? What about the other thing?

So now you have a proof on one hand and then listing areas in which they're ignorant. That's, that's a sign that they're. They're, you know, it's a faith-based delusion that they are actually clinging to it because they like it. They like to think they're in the know. And, haha. I saw behind an even bigger conspiracy. No, you just fell for a lie, and never understood. You never understood it when you thought it was round.

You never understood it when You thought it was flat and you assume nobody else did either and so much of science is like this people say there's no way to determine X whatever it is. It's like just because you does don't know, it doesn't mean nobody else knows how to do it. And so that's the level of arrogance you see from from the most vocal flat-earthers is, they don't know how to do the simplest proof and they assume

nobody else does. So, they talked as, if it's all Theory, it's all conjecture and none of this is proven. Yes, it's proven. I just frigging proved it using zero math and zero having to rely on On textbooks and NASA or anything like that, but you have to understand at least the basics of geometry. Notice. I didn't even use trigonometry if you know Sines and cosines, there are easier ways to do it because that's what that stuff is for. I didn't even use that.

I didn't even need that. So this now becomes a test of how many people can actually substantively respond to. What I said, as I said at the beginning, if you post memes and videos, I'm going to delete them. If you post rants about anything other than the actual topic of this. I'm going to delete it. I want any flat earther to explain in their own words. Why the evidence that I just pointed to that? You can go see yourself on a daily freaking basis doesn't at

all match. The new thing that they believe as opposed to the old thing that they believe and the I'm not going to bother arguing this anymore. I will leave this video up. It's a live thing but it stays up after I record it. So people can see it in the future. Mostly. What I'm going to be doing is deleting people saying, what about this? What about that? What about the other thing that has nothing to do with what I just showed? Because that's all they had is a

laundry list of things. They don't understand and when you explain one, they'll just jump to another thing. They don't understand. And lucky for them. They don't seem to have a limit to the number of things. They don't freakin understand. So when you explain one and say, this is why that is, this is why planes don't have to like gradually tilt down because level is the circle.

Well, what about this? Like, okay, if you're doing an infinite list of things that you don't understand, that's not proof of anything. This is a very simple proof that the Earth is not flat and there are lots of others you could do. There's literally dozens you can do. Is about the simplest one. I know that requires like know math and no understanding and no taking anybody's work Freddy. So so that is just a test of whether people are so attached

to this new cool fad thing. Now, I found that the Earth is flat that they will all the way ignore evidence that they can see every single day walking out their door. Do you see the Sun going like this in the sky getting really little and close to the Horizon and then really begging right over, you know, you don't you see this. It comes up. It's the same size goes down on the other side. Maybe it's an arc and one side of the other if you're north or south of the Equator.

That's what you actually see if you understand anything about geometry. You can go. Oh, yeah, the Flat Earth model doesn't explain that. If you have a model, you believe in that all the way doesn't explain the evidence that you have personal access to on a daily basis. And you still cling to it. Then you're really not worth talking to That's all time for me to go. Delete a whole bunch of irrelevant garbage. That people are probably posting. Have a nice day.

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