If uman beings are so careless stupid and malicious that they cannot be trusted to do the right thing on their own. How would the situation be improved by taking a subset of those? Same careless, stupid and malicious human beings and giving them societal permission to forcibly control. All the others. Welcome to Keith's, Mike, don't tread on anyone. And the libertarian Institute today. I'm joined by Magnus panned Vidya. Is that how you pronounce your last name?
Yeah you I mean you stumbled a little bit. We asked Pain video. I swear I put Okay, I've learned, I've heard like beforehand and I'm not sure why a check out the description for his linked tree links, you'll be able to find his podcast, as well as where you could find him on social media. Magnus. What does it mean to be a Libertarian Anarchist? So it means not giving up on electoral politics, but, Not viewing it as the Final Solution.
That's, that's how I would Define it because I definitely see there's a subset of the community. They're like, never vote, never bother. Never use this giant government institution that you could take advantage of to push your ideas. And then you have the other ones that are like just Libertarians. They're like, well, I like I like the, you know, a little government, not a lot of governments, a little government.
And yeah, I mean between those I'm a full-throated Anarchist, but I don't deny the the Opportunity to have the government pay for me to platform my ideas. And when we hear the word, Anarchy one might think of, you know, throwing trash cans, no order, really existing. What does it mean to be an anarchist?
Be an anarchist to me is just when I go out and take out my garbage, when I talk to my neighbor, when I go on this podcast, when I decide, what I'm going to eat for dinner is of bunch of voluntary, spontaneous interactions between cognizant human beings. You're quoting the beginning. Summed it up perfectly of. Well, we already all do this. So by just giving people authority to regulate it. It's no different than if we just continue to do it on our
own. So why do we even bother with that whole power structure and force that comes with that? Are you do you associate with black lives matter, the organization? I do not associate with the organization. Thankfully, most of the activists no longer associated with the organization, which is the best part, but the Movement in general, I'd say broadly. Yes, specifically, obviously there's a lot of disagreements that kind of are there. But the a lot of the general
concepts and themes. I do kind of identify, with of all the activists that I've met who are part of BLM or use that term, black lives matter to explain their position or ideas that they value. But I haven't run into any Anarchist there. What would be your elevator pitch to a black lives matter? Advocate participant to We get them to consider the idea of anarchism or voluntourism take all of the legitimate arguments in critiques. You have about abolishing the police and just apply it to
everything. If someone is a conservative, what is your elevator pitch to them? If they have, not really considered the ideas of anarchism. I would say, after this last year. I don't know how you could hold
onto conservatism. What it has been proven that all of these institutions including, you know, people that are you elected, to represent, you have turned on, you have shut your business down, have sold out your money and have sic the police on you and all of the usual conservative, kind of cope things of the cops will never do that. And the Constitution will protect us and the magic Sky cloth, has these ideas that are indivisible like they've been
proven wrong categorically. So it's like, you're either in denying reality, or you're starting to take the red pill. Say, I am a progressive, sort of, so not like Killer Mike. I'm more of a Robert Reich Progressive who? Well, I have my criticisms of the police. I really see them as a great mechanism that we as a society
can employ in order to see. In order to achieve desirable ends, Healthcare higher wages, better living standards infrastructure, keeping things of some sort of in line or organized. How would you communicate? Well, not to Robert bright. But I mean, those a Robert Robert Reich in particular, I would say it was all those things so he can sic the police on me to get what he wants. Exactly. But there are a lot of people who get. He's got 1.3 million Twitter
followers. There's a lot of people who ideologically are a Robert Reich, default. Progressive. What do you say to them? When advocating? The idea of anarchism? That one's a lot harder. I do find like the, the kind of democrat Progressive and the GOP conservative like the actual like, not just like, oh, I vote for the GOP because they're the
closest I got. But like, actually believes in the GOP GOP, conserves the hardest ones to break through and it requires so much poking and prodding to like get them on because that's that's Peak. Statism like that is the top of the political Spectrum. Mmm, they are closer to what you would Define as fascism under like the actual definition than anything else. Because they really do just want the government to control and run everything.
And it's like, You have mentioned that there were a number of authors who have motivated. You are given you a lot of intellectual backing. What is the most important thing you learned from or contribution of Murray? Bookchin? So Murray, Murray bookchin more than anything is kind of where the unity concept comes from. Because Murray bookchin, despite being like, a self-identified Marxist.
Left-leaning Anarchist. He is actually spoken at the libertarian National Convention more than a few times and he was actually friends with several. Libertarians, and he gave the speech at the lp convention, while he was being interviewed by reason mag that kind of like slotted into everything that I'm trying to accomplish with the unity Coalition of, he described himself as like he in an anarchist Society.
He would much rather prefer to be a collectivist Anarchist, but he did not immediately hate or think that like what ancap wanted was inherently bad? As long as it was actual anarchism and that in fact he would take it. Even further to where if his collectivist anarchism Society became totalitarian in any way that he would leave that and go join up with the an caps to fight the tyranny of his
collectivist society. And that was his whole kind of point is like the whole reason why we're all anarchists is to fight tyranny and oppression. So I don't care where that's coming from. I will join with, whoever I have to join with, to fight against whatever form it takes, and that was like, very, like whole. Like, you know, this, this, this is a Marxist, like speaking it, like, You know, right?
Like The rothbart Institute in like the like at the like with mises caucus, people is something like that back in the 80s being like yeah, I would. I like you guys. You're fine. And actually like a lot of people on my side, call me like a petty bourgeoisie and I would much rather hang out with you then them and it's like holy
crap. Like he got it earlier than a lot of people got it. And that's kind of like been a big inspiration for me. I have run into a lot of that when people say, you know, I really like the idea of everyone sort of Chip. Being in, there's a lot of camaraderie. There's a lot of solidarity. I feel like I have meaning, I don't believe in God. So this sort of group is my Collective identity and they still support people's right to contract.
So employee-employer taking out loans, those sorts of things, that would be consistent with the volunteer store in Echo capitalist. I've been seeing a lot of that, and it's really cool to have the whole panarchy or meta. Our key kind of like movement or anarchism without adjectives of essentially. Like whether anyone wants to admit it or not because obviously people get very defensive. There's nothing.
And this isn't a criticism of anarchism be very quickly, quick with it. But there's nothing stopping a narco communist Collective from being totalitarian and there's nothing stopping an anarcho-capitalist like business from being totalitarian. That's a problem. We're going to have to deal with, it will come up, but that doesn't mean that those ideas are inherently invalid. As long as they are voluntary and in Fact, it'll be easier to
deal with those problems. If the anarcho Communists in their commune and then like the anarcho-capitalist has like a business venture saw. One of those organizations forming one of those like tyrannical institutions forming in banded together to fight it instead of sitting there and be like, oh, you're not a real Anarchist back and forth to each other. And I think people are kind of slowly getting that. Yeah. I've always said that tyranny can exist under sort of any
society. The reason you'd want anarchism is because you want the ability to disassociate and not. Fund certain tyrants, but with the state. Well, they are the one tyranny organization. You can't opt out of funding and then even your neighbors will be like, well, you're not following the law even though they don't hold that standard for any other organization in society, in particular, like like especially growing up in a very
conservative area. Like I'll use that as an example, but the progressives fall under this to, like the supply, both ways of these people will always slip up and they'll always accidentally break this law or push the line or whatever and they'll sell Rationalizing. But all this, just a slip-up. I'm a good person. I'm a good law-abiding person, but then they'll see you slip up and they'll be like, well, that's what you get for breaking the law. And it's like, every
conservative. I knew was was smoking. Marijuana was illegal and like making moonshine and driving over the speed limit and everything, but and that was fine because there are law-abiding citizen and this was just, you know, they're just pushing the boundary a little bit but then, you know, like like a black guy in Detroit or
something. We'll get pulled over with some marijuana would like see they should have just followed the law and it's hypocrisy baked in. Almost every single person commits multiple felonies a day without even realizing it. Like it's just how the world works. It's impossible to run a business without breaking the law because you just don't know. I mean, there's thousands and thousands of regulations. No one has read them.
So by simply by acting in the absence of having read all these you're definitely going to break them. So we're doing you guys a favor, don't put that obligation on yourself. That you have to abide by the arbitrary edicts of of a Congress that you often call corrupt and lying. Why do you have an obligation to obey them out of all groups? In society, nine percent like total approval across all of the government, I think was like the Aggregate and yet we're still like we're still keeping this
up, like why? You know, I can't do that and that's nine percent of people. I don't run into anyone who was just generally happy with Congress in general. I mean that they always say the other party. Too much power. And if there are extremists that are controlling of it, I have trouble believing, it's as high as nine percent. But even if we go with that, I think that's the aggregate is like, if you take like, like Senate Congress, like, the federal agencies, the president
like everything. And I think that was the, you combine them all together. That was the aggregate because the president will be like, 37. Congress will be like 11. The house will be like six, you know, combine them all together
and that's what you get. Most important thing you learned from the work of Marie and rothbard very and rothbard definitely just kind of all the economics of everything because like despite me probably being much further to the left on the scale of a lot of like anarcho-capitalism stuff like that. I consider myself a mutualist. Definitely. I've never given up the markets. I'm still a market Anarchist and just how that works and kind of that like their writings kind of started to.
I found the Through other people, but they started to like solidify, like the theory behind it of just how you cannot regulate the market. You cannot get involved with the market. Nobody understands. What the hell, the market is, or what it does. It just exists it operates. However, the hell it pleases in that moment and attempting to Shackle. It is just a waste adventure and often results in more negative consequences than letting it just run free.
So, that's kind of like, the what I got from all of them out of that. And then, if you Want to talk about like Spooner just you know, the idea that the flag in the Constitution mean literally nothing like we need to stop a sizing it so much because it is just a magic piece of paper that doesn't attribute anything or help us or even hurt us in any way is just inert. Exactly.
And that's another one. They that they will often say, well, this country was founded on well, hold on, if the founding of a country justifies, you know, how people should act in future. Regions, you don't have the right to criticize North Korea or Iraq or any of the other countries. You're hating at the moment because the Press is telling you that there are seconds away from
nuking us all. Well that country was founded by Kim. Il-sung where the state has abolished the right to private property. So that's their country. Right? But when you don't have any foundational principles, like people like bookchin Spooner and rothbard have have given us. It's like well, you're just setting. Yourself up to be lost and believe in.
You know, the next, the latest thing you heard from from Fox News, especially when like half of the founders of the country like bmed vehement, Lee disagreed with the Constitution. I mean all the Anti-Federalists, you know, Mason all of the like, even even the people that agreed to it to a degree, like Thomas Paine and stuff like that. We're still like, this might go a bad way when the Constitution was written. So like it's like, you know, you want to talk about the founding
fathers. Don't usually appoint to like Washington or Franklin, or anything like that. I'm usually pointing to some like, belligerently drunk, South Carolina, man in the swamp who didn't want any government, any more and begrudgingly accepted this New Foundation. This at what was Mason's, quote, is something about this.
This this European transplant to the new world, I think is what he described the Constitution as because they were anarchists, a lot of a lot of the founding fathers, like the actual people were anarchists. They legitimately wanted Did you live in the middle of nowhere and have nobody to tell them what to do and that they fled from the European Cup European, you know, continent to go, here to be left, the hell alone and didn't want anyone telling them what they could or couldn't do.
So, they were very upset. A lot of them are very upset that the constitution was even written. What is the most important thing you learned from the work of core potkin or Popkin a gore-ism. That's my big thing. That's the thing. I preach all the time. Especially I've kind of updated it because a gore-ism is very pacifist. I don't I believe in defensive. I don't believe in offensive action. I'm never going to be an
anarchist. It's going around like throwing Molotov cocktails and like blowing up government buildings. I don't think that accomplishes anything really but in terms of just the state only exist because you participate in it. So the less you participate in it, the more it works and especially over the lockdowns that's been the biggest thing of like, just running around these conservatives, be like, you can open up any time you want. You just cut.
Good. And if enough of you do it, then they couldn't do anything about it. Like there's, yeah, and there's and that's why they're constantly attacking the unity and class Consciousness. As some would say of the average person because it's like, if I open up my business, I'm going to jail and I'm getting fined. But if everyone is on the same page, intellectually or we have the same sort of spirit of we have the right between, you know, as nosek would say it capitalist acts between
consenting. Adults, or what? You could, just call a gerasim. We have the right to do this without you. Don't you say, we are the government, aren't you us? Okay, let us tell ourselves then that it's okay for us to open up our business. You got there there. There's more people within 20 square miles of where I'm sitting right now. Then the entire us police force and Military put together.
So like if just my County just said no and did whatever they wanted, the nobody could do anything about it. So it's just that's that's why I do like like things that are going on like the free state project in New Hampshire where all the all the Libertarians are. Just moving to the same place to just take it over and just it's like, there we go. Like, like there's enough of us. Let's let's, let's get some some mutual Aid.
Let's let's Embrace some leftist tactics for once, which is my biggest thing, because I think the thing that confuses conservatives about me more than anything is that it's not that I agree with the left, more than the right on principles. Philosophy and what my like preferred world would be. But I infinitely like their tactics better than the right because the right is to complain and beg for authority to respect
their oath. That is the right-wing tactic whether it be libertarian even anarchists. Even conservatives. That's all they've done. For. My entire life is just pump, the brakes and beg for things to go back to normal. While the left is willing to get in the streets. The left is willing to fight. The left is willing to break the laws and it's like, okay. Well, like look we can start. Doing that. Like, anytime, you know, like, we could, we could have, we could have a 10,000 person.
March on Washington, d.c. Open carrying firearms. Saying, we are never going to abide with your laws, and then peacefully go home. There's nothing they could do about it. We could do that tomorrow. But but the, the worship of the law in the worship of doing things, the way the right kind of does is just paralyzed people. So that's why I like people confuse me of like, oh, you're a communist, your left Winger or
something like that. It's like, no, I just like how they do things better than we. It's certainly, it's hard to argue with the the effectiveness. There was a colleague of Murray rothbard zat, the University of Nevada Las Vegas. Hans, Hermann Hapa who wrote a paper called Marxist and Austrian class analysis in 1990.
He says here are five points hit, so hop has an anarcho-capitalist and he says that there are five points of Marxism. All of which are actually correct, but they incorrectly identify the culprit. Let me know if you agree with these. Let's go one by one. Number one. There was a small parasitic unjust, ruling class who attempts to roll over the masses. Agree. Or disagree agree, why it
exists, definitely. There will always be a class of people that they just seek to dominate, and they will find whatever power structure, whatever, path would have, whether it be economic socially culturally entertainment. It doesn't matter. They will find their path to control people and feel better. People that's just human nature. It's something we're always gonna have to deal with, it will
never go away. Point number two, the ruling class is ideologically held together by its interest in keeping the system of exploitation ongoing only an increase in class Consciousness by the exploited. Can remedy this rulers, never willingly Retreat agree, or disagree agree. Why? That definitely you just see that I always there's like the two extremes of there's no conspiracy and then there's a grand conspiracy where all these people are diligently planning
every single step along. All secretly know. The reality is that they will oppose each other to get above each other. But the moment that any normal person starts to threaten their power, you will see the powers-that-be come together immediately. Whether you know, whether it be in our country, the Republicans the Democrats, they will fight like cats and dogs until the moment that the normies start to infringe on them whatsoever. And then they are in lockstep on what they want and what will
benefit them. Point number three, and ideological superstructure, media education, advertising courts property rights system and police exists to keep the ruling class in power agree, or disagree. Yes. It's actually like, I mean, it varies 2°, obviously, some some power structures legal structures, and stuff like that, or better than others, but definitely, in modern America, like, particularly why I say that boating will never be the final.
Like the final solution to this, that economics will never be the Solution to this that creating your own payment processor, blah, blah. Like all these things will never be the final solution of this is because now, in 2021, we have gotten to the point where the entire structure is completely built to prevent any real change from happening. Like, every law, every economic regulation, every, you know, who can be in and out of the debates. How you get for political funding?
How you get into the government? How you pass laws? Every single thing has been structured to wear is impossible for an outsider to get it and the Closest, we had to that, which is really sad to say, was Donald Trump and you saw how
that didn't change anything. And the fact that it requires a extremely wealthy braggadocious kind of asshole to even scrape, you know, the edge of the cathedral shows how bad the situation is to wear, like anyone who's ten times better than Trump, who might actually have a chance of like changing things is never going to be allowed to touch the hold the power structures. Excellent points.
Point number four. The ruling class has an inherent tendency to be corrupted concentrated and move towards centralization agree, or disagree. Groups are who repeat the first part of that you cut out of it. I'm sorry. The ruling class has an inherent tendency to be corrupted, concentrated and centralized. Yes, just because the simple law of the land and absolute power corrupts. Absolutely. And that's every single thing. It doesn't matter. You put somebody in there. It's go.
It's going to self-perpetuate period And even if it doesn't self-perpetuate, the other institutions will tear it down another. Another great example of that that you can apply both to Obama and Trump is the CIA and the FBI and the military industrial complex, just doing things without ever addressing them or asking them what the how they felt about it or asking for permission just running around doing whatever they want unelected Power structures.
So, how can you hang around people like that that you know will ignore you? And they'll do whatever you want and not be influenced by that. Even if you are a good genuine wholesome, US president that wants to save the country. Those are the people you are surrounded by constantly. Those are the people in your ear. They're the ones that are giving you the data. The advice. Could you can't be everywhere at once? So, how do you not even in 80
different kind of way? Not personally corrupted, but your worldview. Get corrupted just by being around those people. Finally Point number five, inherent corruption plus more centralization, equals more instability and a crumbling of the system giving potential rise to a masse realization. By the exploited that an unjust system of exploitation should be replaced by a system of cooperation and mutual benefit. I agree.
Okay, so, that was basically hop as way of saying that the Marxist and anarcho-capitalist have a lot in common. They just disagree on, who the exploiters are, and who the exploited classes are when looking at, who the exploiters are in the world, and who the exploited our, how do you determine that? I'm definitely, it's kind of twofold because I do view that there are a lot of very productive. And semi wealthy people that are exploited by the government that are attacked in at agonized by
the government. I personally don't think you become a billionaire in this country in this country, just from again. How the system setup would buy without playing ball and becoming dirty with the how the government works. But there's definitely small business chains and stuff like that. That like the owner is a millionaire. He has a nice house on a lake. He's got a boat as fast as kids go to, you know, private school or whatever the Marxist might
consider him an evil person. But then you talk to him and you see how much his stolen from him and how much his business is go after. And you realize, there's a difference between the CEO of McDonalds. And, you know, Hal's Pizza chain where he has like six pizzas places across. So that's one element of it.
And then obviously you also have like the left-wing perspective of the poor, the minority groups, the the under classes that are kept in the underclass by the government targeted by the gun directly targeted by the government and continually destroyed any step up, they get because Are threatening the powers of be. So kind of both in that way. There was a book written and published by Princeton University by Jason, Brent entitled.
When all else fails, the ethics of resistance to state in Justice. I think of you, whenever I whenever I, whenever I read that name, so this for you is very common sense. I'm sure you will agree with this statement, but I'm going to quote from the book. Tell me why. Umm, you're talking to the average person who has to spend much time. And that's why you agree with this statement.
You possess the same right of self-defense and the same right to defend others against government agents that you do against civilians, agree or disagree. Why 100% agree because I do not view them to be separate whatsoever. I don't believe a government agent is anything different than a regular person. Every I believe if I if I if I saw a random guy in a all black uniform with a bulletproof vest beating on an old.
Really woman in the street, I would do the same thing as I would if it was just a random guy and the only difference is one of them has the nebulous title of police officer. Ex and he didn't even again, a great great, George Mason. Mason quote. He actually took it the opposite direction, which is really funny to me when he, when he was asked to Define with. The militia, was at the Constitutional Convention in Virginia, in 1788. He asked who like, they asked, who is the militia and he
responded. The militia is everyone to the exclusion of some public officials. So he took it to the opposite direction. He said everyone deserves to have guns except for the people, the government that, that was in. I agree with that, like, You get it, you literally believe they're public servants. You serve me. Well, what do you need? Who are you going to defend yourself against me? I'm your, you're my servant according to you. But of course that that's a
double standard we face. So Brennan goes on to say that imagine, you know, someone was sort of, you know, creating an educational facility, but demanded, everyone give 10% of their income to this person or he would put them in a cage. And if they resisted the cage, he'd shoot them and then imagine that he that you have some enemies. So you sort of enslave people to fight against your enemies and in doing so you kill a large number of people.
He says this is no different than taxation draft or the war saying what's perplexing in a sense, is why people don't find that puzzling. They believe that governments are permitted to do things. Ordinary. People are forbidden from doing in particular. They believe that governments are permitted to issue commands. Telling us what to do and not to do. And that the government's may use violence and threats of violence to make us comply with these commands.
Why do you oppose people using a government to achieve their ends in society? Just just the simple fact of how it ends up being and how it's always ended up being if we ever had a state that existed before or now for a substantial period of time like a hundred years where there were not innocent people. That were doing nothing that hurt. Anyone else that we're totally victimless in cages or murdered, then I would be less like staunch on this but it is simply never happened.
And people are even delusional about how it was in America to where they forget that we had stuff. Like we had speech laws. We had what the disability laws or something like that, against cursing, and public are using dirty language and bars. And that would that was, that wasn't 200 years ago, that wasn't 300 years ago. That was 60 years ago. That these laws were the comedians were being thrown in jail. You're saying fuck like that's America.
And and we we as a nation as a society have had way less victimless crimes and other places in the fact that we've had it that bad. Just goes to show that the government cannot help itself and you're seeing it go on right now with the with the Biden Administration, talking about banning the manufacture of menthol cigarettes and you see people in the comments coping a. But oh, well, it's just the manufacturer. It's like, okay. Well, you ban the manufacturers Then people start making their
own menthol cigarettes. So, we'll now you need to go after a civilian manufacturers, but then they're really hard to find because they're criminals and they're smart. So what do you do to get around that? You start arresting people for possession of them to hope they can find the manufacturer. This is the same thing that happened with marijuana. The same thing that happened with alcohol. It's just it's logical.
It's really binary and if you were that was your goal, that's how you would go about it. And that is the government's goal. So it's, it's try it. You know, it's asking the Sun not to rise. Essentially. It's almost a law of Science at this point that it will continue to expand. It will continue to find ways because that is the logical conclusion of it. Yeah, and it doesn't have the self-correcting mechanism of allowing people to disassociate. So you just never know if there's a lot.
Everyone has to read my book. I'll never be able to truly determine whether or not people value my work or or not. When you have you have to in to make sure to make sure you'll have to start going and enforcing that. And then you have to find people who don't have the book which means you have to start going into people's homes and searching it. And you're going to have to have to come up with new technology to make sure people have read your book and it's just logical again.
Like if You put yourself in the head of a repressor, which I know it's hard for us anarchists to do. But if you do that, it's like, well, it's my goal to make sure everyone reads this book, no matter what. Then that's how you would do it, you know, isn't that easy? So you have the rainbow flag behind you. If you are speaking to someone in the LGBT community that constantly was pressing for the right for two people of the same
sex to have a marriage. What would you say to them as far as why they should consider the philosophy of anarchism or voluntourism. I think the government has nothing should have nothing to do with marriage and the fact that the concept of marriage now has been The religious people hold it up as this as this holy Union and everything like that. That's not what it is in America. It's a tax agreement is a legal legal. Monetary agreement between people that is only enforced by
the government. Nobody else cares. If you're married besides the government and like, I've always thought that it was just kind of a false battle. Like one of the rare things I agree with Ben Shapiro on is there shouldn't be gay marriage, because there should be no legal marriage, the concept of legal marriage is stupid.
And the fact that the As of your Reagan let the government get involved with it has shown up just how more and more idiotic the whole process has gotten and it's out of control at this point to where people, I was just in a call with one of the Twitter like hangouts or whatever. They do. You can join in where there was at least six different women that were talking about getting a strategic divorce because they make too much money and the tax
increases would hit them. Not that they love their husbands. Any less. Not that they plan on breaking up with them, but they were going to go get a divorce. So they could not have money stolen from them for that and I'm like, wow, that's a that's a condemnation of the concept of marriage and has done more to damage the concept of marriage than gay. People wanting to go to a cathedral and have a priest. Read them rights ever could have correct.
Yeah, you know that was actually one of the my sister had sort of been friends with a lot of members of the lgbtq Q community and I had sort of I had really supported that idea. I said well, If a man and a woman can get married, why would that principal voluntary agreement? Not apply to two men getting married so long as they're consenting adults. I don't see anything wrong with this. What I basically did took me about 10 years to do. This.
Is I took that principle and then applied it to economic transaction. So the same reason you wouldn't have the right to coercively. Stop two people from two, consenting, adults, from engaging in an act of intercourse, even though you believe, well, it might not be best. For them. And there might be long-term effects and they could do all these other things. Well, all of those also apply to
economic interactions. Have you had any success with taking, the principle of voluntary Associated, voluntary Association in the economic realm, and letting the this community know about voluntary economic interactions. That's actually like, what are the biggest like breaking points? For? Like, if you talk to like a lot of like lesbian or like we're Libertarians or anything like that.
They're like this all Started because we wanted to get married and then we just increasingly hated the government more and more. And it's like, yes, exactly. And that's kind of how it what it takes is. If there's something fundamental in core to your personality, that the government does not allow you to do, it is only natural that you end up as some form of anarchists or
libertarian. It's like whether it be a gun owner, whether it's marijuana, whether it be like running a business and like any kind of thing where you've part of your soul, part of what you like, feel like you're here. You do or part of your key, part of your personality is blocked by the government. This is where you end up which goes to show, why. I like so many people that are super status are very boring. Generic people. You know, what they like to do? Hasn't been banned by the
government yet. So let me know if you're able to see my screen. Are you able to see the screen here? Yeah, this this article I love this article. So this one I'll read I'm going to ask you to read the next thing. So this is an article from wired. It says the most dangerous people on the internet in 2020. This year saw plenty of destructive hacking and disinformation campaigns, but amid a pandemic in historic
election. The consequences have never been Graver and Here is a picture of my smiling. Goofy ridiculous. Hawaiian shirt wearing self. Yes. So here is Mark Zuckerberg and then to the left of him, is Magnus my guest today and then is Donald Trump. And then a, you know, who the Jabba's? Those are my boys right there. There's some Michigan Boogaloo, boys, they're part of the collective. And do you know who this guy is? I don't know idea. I think it's like a Wall Street,
dude or something. Okay. Well, shows how dangerous He is. Nobody knows who he is. He's definitely, but work. And now, what working behind the scenes. Are you a danger to the internet? I am a normie asking. I don't even know what the bougie boys are. I would consider myself an extreme danger to the the government and the country and the powers that be. I would not consider myself. The minimal amount of a danger to the average human being, and that's why they write articles
like this. Yeah, it's amazing. They'll they'll tell us what what dangers the average person is, while they Advocate Wars that consists of funding Al-Qaeda and murdering civilians and get taxing us to the point. Where wall Street's able to get money from the Federal Reserve, right? When it's printed. It's like that does more damage to our social security. Recipients are Savers and and everything else. Yeah. This is this is one of the best me. Games of last year, by the way,
I love that. It's in the, it's in the gun control. Ones are great. So this one is a little long and you had said that this is one of your favorites. If you could do me a favor and read this and as you're reading it, stop or maybe just read the whole thing and tell us what you like about it. Because I saw that you said, it's one of your favorites. Yeah, so that it's a Reddit posts on Wall Street. Bats. This was during the the GameStop Revolution as I'll call it the GameStop insurrection.
And this is a post and II very deeply empathize with this because this is it's not exactly a my story when it comes to my family, but it's very close. So to begin. I remember when the housing housing collapse and a torpedo through my family. My father's concrete company. Collapsed, almost overnight. My father, lost his home, my uncle lost his home. I remember my brother, helping my father, count Pocket, Change on our kitchen table.
This is almost exactly what happened to me, like, in 2008 to it to a letter. Almost that was all the money. He had left in the world. While this was happening in my home. I saw hedge fund hedge, funders literally drinking, champagne is a look down on Occupy Wall Street protesters. I will never forget that. If you have not Googled that image, Google that image right now while you're listening to this and you will get actually
angry. When you see these, these dirty, poor homeless hippies, walking down the street, and these millionaire Wall Street, people sitting on the balcony and drinking champagne and throwing things at them. It's absurd. You don't even have to be, you don't even have to hate millionaires to be like, wow. Those are some bad people is what disgusting. Yeah, and I've seen it. There was even an incident in La where I wasn't their friend of mine.
Told me about it that you know, a bunch of people were walking past this homeless guy. I don't know if they were all in a group or one person started it, but they were all throwing things and spitting on the homeless guy, you know, telling him. Oh what you're making our neighborhood. Filthy yada yada yada. And she went up to him and said I'm so sorry. You had to deal with that to which he you know, is like
responding now, it's okay. So, you know, the worst is whenever they walk by and people just totally ignore me. But yeah that happens every now and then it's like, oh my God, you have to be a piece of shit to walk by someone in such a vulnerable position. Even if they're angry, even if they're irrational, you know, breaking news. Everyone's irrational, read Robin Hansen's elephant in the brain. It's hard for us to be rational about so many. The complex things.
But when people just don't have any empathy, it's like my God and that's and that's what the state so often does. If I can only win at the expense of you. Well, then we're totally going to be at odds. If there's no separation of religion and state. I can only practice My Religion if I cancel your religion, so I got a win. There's no voluntary market place where where we can sort of hash this out. I'm sorry to interrupt you there, but that's great.
Yeah. Yeah. And then, to finish this up, my father, never recovered from that blow. He fell deeper and deeper into alcoholism. And now exists as a shell of his, former self waiting for death. And then this is the the Wall Street bets Revolution defined in a paragraph, which was why I was so good in. They had to destroy it. You saw that like, there's no such thing as a free market because they literally shut that down. Just immediately legislation of
corporate interests. Aligning to shut that Revolution down this Is all the money I have and I'd rather lose it. Then give them what they need to. Destroy me. Taking money from me while hurt me because I don't value at all. I'll burn it. I'll burn it down, burn it all down, just to spite them. This is for you, Dad, and that was Wall Street bets, and that's
even still. Now, Dogecoin people are just lighting money on fire because they just don't care because they just want to hurt these people. And, and that shows you like That the, it's the idea is growing and that happened because people could do it from the smartphone on their couch, and it required minimal investment, or time, or energy, or personal risk, but the fact that people were willing to do that.
That's that that's the Ember that turns into pitchforks and burning police stations, like later. Later down the line of people just being like, I don't care about the system. I don't care about this at all. I just want to hurt you and you and you. This situation being like a big government and it's like, oh boy. Now, let's look at this. From a point of view of of a Unity or death is the name of the the the podcast that I've seen you be associated with.
So from a Unity standpoint. The funny part of the meme is on the outside. All four corners of the political Spectrum, are people supporting them top, right? God. Bless Patriot bottom right to the Moon, bottom left. May you see His friend upper
left, keep fighting comrade. And basically what we can see is that at, at these what are referred to as extremes, but as the, at the corners of these idea of these ideologies, we see a sort of, I don't, I don't know if you could call it populist, but there's still this ability for class Consciousness to exist, within a large number of people. So the fact that we can't organize at all or We have so
much trouble. It feels like we have so much in common, but we're still unable to what are some of the big reasons you think people should engage in unity Politics as opposed to division, constantly trying to score points off of the other person or team. Definitely, like it was kind of crystallized. Today. I was talking about it less than an hour ago, but Michael malice put out a poll and he was like of these four choices for
people. Michael ballast, very famous, anarchists one of my favorites, he put out a poll of which of these four organizations. Would you be more comfortable to label as a domestic terrorist organization? And it was the ATF antifa, the GOP, and the NRA and antifa won by over 65 percent of the vote. That is so stupid because anyone, who's conservative anyone who's doesn't like anti-fascist. I'm not, I'm not telling you, not to like them from Unity perspective.
What I'm telling you now is that 100,000 college kids, in Black hoodies will never be a molecule as dangerous as the government. The anti-fascist cannot show up to my house and drone strike Me by tracking. My phone's IP address and hitting this computer right now and get away with it with the help of the media and the intelligence agencies.
They cannot do that. And it's just, I feel like that's the biggest sticking point of Why people are struggling to Unity is the is the powers that be a very effectively like skewed our hierarchy of threats to where like, like I personally know nobody in my entire life that has ever been personally, harmed by someone who calls themselves an anti-fascist or anti fine particular a black, black-clad
red. Bandana Street protester. I know uncountable people that have died been locked in jail, have been permanently screwed up by the government of have their businesses. Destroyed have had been abused children stolen from them Etc by the federal government. So how can how in what Universe can consider a collective of individuals with with bats and sticks. Anywhere near the military industrial complex.
In the three-letter agencies. They've successfully gotten you to screw up your hierarchy of threats. And I think a lot of conservatives don't realize that they are also being manipulated into what they need to be worried about. They view is like, oh, well, the left is like focused on racism and focus on all this stuff and they're letting like the powers-that-be, get away with it. While they all fight and kill each other, but then they'll turn around and say stuff like
that. Malice poll of like, like, oh the armed, the other, the stick-wielding people with, with rubber shields, on the street or the true threat to freedom and it's like, you share like you really think about this, you know, because like who's kicking your door in the middle of night, it's not them. So it's like that's kind of
where the unity. It comes from is even if I hate you, even if I think your ideas are aberrant, like, like, if you like, to talk to, you know, and cap talks to a Marxist. They both think that their end goal is atrocious a horrifying
to each other. But the fact of the matter is that they'll never get to Stage 2 out of 10 of their respective plans before the government, kills them all and locks them up. So we need to do something about this because we are all stuck in a room with a giant grizzly bear. In the grizzly, bear is tearing us apart and killing all of our friends and we're still yelling at each other. At some point.
You just have to put it down and deal with the grizzly bear and then figure out afterwards what happens and if we have to fight each other afterwards and we fight each other afterwards, but there's also a chance that afterwards that we can come to compromise some form of balkanization, some form of agreement between each other. That will be better than it is now and there's a possibility of that. But right now the only guarantee is some crazy technocratic.
Fascism that is coming. You can see it right in front of you and we're not doing anything about it. Excellent. Magnus. Thank you so much for your time everyone listening. Please check out magnus's podcast, Unity or death. All the links to where you could find. His work will be in the description below. Magnus. Thank you so much for your. Thank you. Take care. Thanks boss.