Obama's Foreign Policy: Deception & Failure. Scott Horton & Keith Knight

Interventionism is not only a moral and aggressive. It doesn't work. We must regain Liberty at home and all interventions in other countries and returned to the historic. Forgotten foreign policy of serving, as an example, and Beacon, Light of Liberty to the rest of the suffering and strife-torn World. Welcome to Keith's night. Don't try to on anyone today. We have Scott Horton of the libertarian Institute and anti-war.com Scott. Thank you for your time.

Hey, man, happy to be here as always. Keith. How are you doing, buddy? I'm doing excellent. And I was reading Obama's book. Let's get through it. Starting with Afghanistan. Wait, check it out. Oh, I just got, I just got proofs in the mail today. See not for resale. That's that the brand new edit version for me to look through here. I didn't know, we were making the announcement yet, terrific enough already.

I'm hoping to publish on the 16th, but I probably will not make that deadline but I'm trying, I'm working real hard on it now. And as are a lot of other people helping me with the copy editing and everything. Terrific can't wait to have you back on for that one. So enough already is the title coming out very soon. Starting with Obama, a promised land page for Hub or sorry.

I'm just laughing at that cover. Oh, what a nice man. Yeah, he's smart. They caught him smiling. What are the chances? Okay, page for 40 Afghanistan, six days. Earlier, 300 Afghan militants. Had overrun a small US military Outpost in the Hindu Kush killing eight of our soldiers and wounding wounding 27, more October would become the deadliest month for US troops in Afghanistan since the start of the war eight years earlier. And rather than ushering in a new era of peace.

I was facing the prospect of committing more soldiers to war. Unfortunately, the previous president. He makes clear, could have gotten Afghanistan taken care of, but he was distracted with Iraq. Afghanistan is a place. We need to be for. Security purposes. And to make sure the Karzai government was stable. Therefore Obama's foreign policy of sending more troops to Afghanistan was justified. How do you respond? Well, he knows it. He's lying when he writes that garbage.

The war was lost before he was ever sworn in and he knew it and he ran on, you know, exactly as you said that narrative. That well, see, Bush got distracted. And diverted. All of our resources off to Iraq. And if he hadn't done that, then the war in Afghanistan would have gone great. So now to correct that error, we're going to escalate the war. However as really just a BS narrative. He was only going to send a couple of brigades and then bring them home in another couple of years.

Basically as a Democrat politician might, but then he got in there and once he got in there, came the full-court Press from the Pentagon, that what you're going to do is you're going to give a 60 thousand more troops. Really? I know being 70 thousand more

troops. He ended up giving them throughout the year of 2009 and culminating in the final escalation of the 30. He always here and say, yeah, he sent 30,000 more, ye sent 30,000 more after he sent 40,000 more, you know, but so anyway, you know, and then, and he knew that they were rolling them and he gave in to the pressure, you know, in, I hate to quote Bob Woodward books all the time, but, Because it is, it's always very establishment narrative,

but on the other hand, yeah, because he's talking to the principles. He's getting, you know, he's interviewing the people who are directly involved in it. So, you know, whether they're being disingenuous or not. Sometimes this beside the point, you just get to see the window, you know, through their eyes. So, one of the things that they talked about in that book in his book Obama's Wars, which is not about Obama's Wars at all. It's about the bureaucratic war in. D.c.

In the year 2009 trying to force Obama de-escalate Afghanistan. And that's what the whole book is about. I don't know why they called it that anyway, and, and in that, everybody knew, right, that the Pentagon and the Secretary of Defense their job is to say mr. President. Let's quadruple down. Right? And then the state Department's job is to say, well, I don't think so. Why don't we do less?

And then that way, Obama can say, well, you know, I have this other Penny put in Obama's war council, of course, his secretary of state was Hillary Clinton. So Hillary Clinton, As gee boss, I think you better do what they say. And then this is in the telling of Robert Gates and Leon Panetta, who was the CIA guy. And I guess, you know, General Petraeus to that in their own view. They were the Hawks as especially Gates, and portrays, they with a hawks.

But even to them, they thought that this was just so horrible and cynical of Hillary Clinton to do this to Barack Obama, where she was as they put, I think this was Gates as word. Words that she was narrowing his Running Room and leaving him fewer up. Leaving him. No one decide with. Basically right leaving in fewer people in his administration to say that. Well, I started with the doves over the Hawks.

Is there just nothing but Hawks and then so he was the only people who backed the minimal position relatively minimal. That is position was the vice president, then Joe Biden and Douglas loot who was a general? The wars are that The had inherited from George w-- Bush and they both didn't want to escalate, but that wasn't enough basically Hillary if she had really joined their side, maybe it would have been enough. But so, in November 2009, Obama rolled over.

He gave them everything that they wanted, but it's so clear from, not just Woodward, but from all the reporting at that time, that Obama didn't believe in all this claptrap about counterinsurgency Doctrine and how we're going to win the hearts and minds of the people that thing and Joe Biden at the time was like, look, Should murder any Arab we can find their fine. But, why are we fighting the Taliban? That's stupid. Dude. What are we doing?

We shouldn't have. We shouldn't even try to win over the people of the primarily pashtun regions of Afghanistan, the South and the east of the country. We should just make sure that there's no real bad guys who threaten us there, and then that's it. So, I'm not saying I'm for that, but that was the minimal version of the. It was still an escalation. He wanted 40,000, not 70 or whatever.

It was, right. He still was bad on it, but he was saying the mission should be limited to making sure that the Kabul government doesn't fall. Making sure there's no Al-Qaeda guys there. Instead it's funny because the Pentagon pushed on Obama. The policy that you just read to me is him pretending was his idea that he wanted to do was the thing that they made him do. Yeah.

Well we had to promise to, you know, make sure not just to keep the Kabul government from falling but we have to build it into a great new stable Democratic thing that'll last for the ages and you know, we got to go and do I forgot the rest of the Quote there, but essentially we got to go and

take it to the bag, guys. Broadly, defined to mean the locals, not trans national International Arab terrorists, but the people who are fighting to get us off of their own front, lawn as Obama knew good and well, and we're not talking about George w--, Bush or Donald Trump. The complete dum-dum here, you know, Obama knew enough to be as self-aware. As any person could be at the wrong that he was committing when he was committing it. No, About it on page three twenty.

He talks about the Rydell plan saying, our principle goal to disrupt and dismantle and defeat Al Qaeda in Pakistan and Afghanistan and to prevent their return to either country in the future. The report added emphasis on Pakistan was key, not only to the Pakistani military and particular, its intelligence arm is I tolerate the presence of Taliban headquarters and leadership in Kutta near pack. A crostini border but it was also quietly.

Assisting the Taliban. As a means of keeping the Afghan government week and hedging against couples potential alignment with Pakistani archrival India, that that's like you ever in full Serna. Well, two more sentences that the u.s. Government had long tolerated, such behavior from a purported. Ally supporting it with billions of dollars in Military and economic aid, despite its complicity with With extremist and its record as a significant and irresponsible proliferator of nuclear.

Weapons, technology in the world said something about the pretzel, like logic of u.s. Foreign policy. Al Qaeda has gone from Afghanistan to Pakistan. We got a fight them over there before they come over here. How do you respond? Well, I mean, just putting the dot on the end of my sentence there about how this man is absolutely self-aware about the Nuance of this stuff. Unlike a couple of real murder. Well, presidents. We've had recently. This one can read books.

Okay, and then, but so what he's saying about Pakistan is Right, Pakistan backs, the Afghan Taliban to, prevent the Kabul government that Obama Bush and Obama were installing Empower their from creating a true Monopoly on Force there in Alliance with Pakistan's archrival to their South East India, and so they don't want to be hemmed in by India and India is a lie in Afghanistan. So they got a back the Taliban there to keep that from happening.

Well, that's been their policy since 2005 and it works. And what can the Americans do about it? Nothing and what's going to make the pakistanis back down from that policy, nothing and and then what are the Americans do? As I know I'm sure you laughed out loud reading pools and the Americans continue to ask the Indians to intervene even more to help the Afghan government resist.

The Taliban that the pakistanis keep backing for the very reason that we keep asking the Indians to come in and help prop up the government in Kabul. And the whole thing is just a perpetual motion machine, of course, you know, fueled by the American people's money. But otherwise it just keeps going around and around and around and then at the same time, this is the same Pakistani government, then that he allied

with and help them. Launch this massive war against the Pakistani Taliban and this Like a kind of a trade off like a compromise. If you let us do our CIA, drone War, to kill Al-Qaeda guys in Pakistan, then we'll help you wager war against the Pakistani Taliban which had never threatened us and wasn't a problem for us. And as a result of that, the Pakistani Taliban tried to blow up Times Square in 2010, you might remember, Faisal shahzad and the failed plot at Times Square.

Luckily. His bomb didn't go off. He was sent there by the Pakistani Taliban to do that. Well, They never targeted us before, they have no beef with us. They probably never heard of the New World before until Obama Started, helping their government bomb the hell out of them up there in waziristan, the SWAT Valley in the federally administered tribal territories there. And then of course, another major part of the blowback from Obama's war in Pakistan, was at

the tarika. Taliban guys, fled across the border to Afghanistan for Safe Haven. Just like the Afghan Taliban hide in Pakistan. Pakistani. Taliban came to hide an afghan. Then and then guess what? I know you'll be surprised and amazed and won't believe me. When I tell you that the CIA and the Afghan government, recruited them to for a little bit of payback against the pakistanis. How would you like it?

If we start backing, the Pakistani, Taliban taking Safe Haven on this side of the border and they start doing a tax on your side of the board and see how you like that. Because all the American CIA. They're really clever guys. They know what to do. And then they also said, you know, we could use These Guys, these new Pakistani got maybe. We could use them against the Afghan Taliban to start giving him some money. Some training.

Next thing, you know, they Hoist the Black Flag and call themselves Isis Islamic State in the khorasan province and they're now, the whole new Safe Haven myth, the whole new, excuse to stay is well. Okay, we haven't seen any Arabs in like 20 years, but these pakistanis in Afghanistan and the few Afghan Taliban guys who've gone to their cause they call themselves Isis. And so that's in. Those are the head chopper, guys.

You remember them? So, that's enough to keep us at War and that's the narrative in Washington DC. And so, you know, and all this is Obama's fault. Never had to be this way at all, and he could've told listen. Obama said, look, I can't look weak. Rahm Emanuel. Told him. I know that's in the book. Rahm Emanuel, told him, you can't look weak. Well, doesn't it look weak to roll over for your for David Petraeus?

You know, who does nothing but lose Wars, you know, why not be a tough guy by facing down the Hawks. Oh you want to resign over my refusal of escalate? Huh? How about this? You're fired for trying to force me to? A war that I already know is stupid and that I know that, you know, is stupid. Mr. Don't have enough stars and want another one. So screw you, you know, and then he would have been the alpha dog. Then he would have been the tough guy.

Only doing the right thing instead of the wrong thing. And instead, and this is in my book, and I think I got this from Woodward, but I think it was somewhere else to that, that Rahm Emanuel met with Lindsey Graham and Lindsey Graham on behalf of himself. And John McCain said, Give us a number that starts with a three meaning, another 30,000, something troops. And we promise that will shut up. And that's exactly what happened. That was the deal that they made. They shook hands.

They gave him thirty thousand troops, why to help the Afghan people know. So that Lindsey Graham, and John McCain would be quiet in the Senate. Exit explicit is just for politics. For war that Obama knew he couldn't win. New counterinsurgency was wrong. You know, that's amazing. Listening to him, you know, his justification for this, that guy's a sociopath on the level of Bill Clinton. Listen to you read that though. The Memoirs just incredible.

So you are confident that even though there's a group, Al-Qaeda who hates America and has no problem killing civilians. We don't have to be invading Afghanistan and Pakistan to have National Security. So, that's your position. Yeah, of course not look the reason okay to attack this because we have bases in Saudi Arabia fact, speaking and Lindsey Graham. This is G like this whole occupation theories, crazy. We weren't occupying Afghanistan

before September 11th. Yeah, but it wasn't Afghans. Who attacked us? Was it? It was Saudis and Egyptians, you know, Egyptians where we backed the military dictatorship for 30 years up until then, you know, the Saudi Arabia where we backed the Royal monarchy for 75 years in their rulership over, you know, their monarchy is, I'm an American, you're an American. Do I need to elaborate do I need to explain that that is means inherently.

Absolutely illegitimate, you know, like the place is run by which doctors or something, right? Because you don't have the right to rule these people. You call yourself a king. You're not Royal at all. You're scum. That's all Americans. Agree about that, except in Washington d.c., You know, go ahead. I was just going to say if people want more info on that the first chapter of fools, And is terrific along with dying to win. By Robert Pape, really gets into the the history and legitimacy

of blowback. Are there any good blowback books, yours being the best? Robert papes being a close second. Are there any more that I'm not remembering that are just vital. I do over Helen I go over a lot of the same material in the new book because him and I think as you remember the, the Afghanistan book that was really chapter 1 and chapter 2 of this book. Yeah. It kind of Only turn into a book about Afghanistan because I couldn't keep chapter 2 at

chapter lank. So I I really appreciate a lot of that same material from chapter 1. So all that'll be enough already but you know classic recommended by Osama. Bin Laden himself is Imperial hubris. Why America is losing the war on terrorism by Michael scheuer. It's you know on amazon.com. It's by anonymous because when it came out in the CIA still insisted that he keep his identity Secret.

This was the chief of the cia's been Laden unit and the book was written in 2004 and I should say cuz I want to say that he's a total piece of garbage. Now. He's gone completely crazy and you know talks about you know, he'd like to see every last Muslim all die. In one big, Civil War we ought to fund both sides till they're all dead or just whatever. Like total, new Kamal, turn the Middle East to Glass, kind of right-wing crap, but he used to

say wise things. About how our government got us into this mess. And if you read, 2004 era, Michael schwerner and that book in pure hubris. That is absolutely. Well. There's just no question. He says listen. Yes, they are islamist radicals, but that's not why they do what they do to us. They attack us because not because of who we are not because we're free or white or Christian or North American or innocent or Brave, they attack

us because we support there. Taters because we have military bases next to their most. Holy sites that we use to carpet bomb the neighboring country next door. Yes, and of course, and we back the Israeli occupation of Lebanon and Palestine as well. And primary sources, Ben Laden's, 90 1998 letter along with his letter and like, 2000 letter to the Americans. So 96.

Yeah. There's, there's the 1996 declaration of war against the Americans occupying, the Land of the two, holy places, pretty subtle, huh? And then the second one was the declaration of war against International Jihad against Jews and Crusaders. And both of those are just absolutely explicit. And then, as you mentioned, there's the letter to America from 2002. There's the speech that he gave in 2004. And in fact, there's a whole book. I read a whole book.

One time of just all collected Bin Laden Bin Laden speeches and stuff from all through the 1990s and You know, there's also really great book called The Secret history of Al Qaeda by Abdel Bari Audubon, and he's the publisher and editor of alkaloids. I larabee the newspaper in Britain and he went and interviewed Bin Laden for three days in like 1998 or 1999 and Afghanistan, I think and and and it's just all in there, bro. I don't know what to tell you. It's Read It. And Weep.

There's so much in there. That's where I learned about Iraqi sanctions, which I had never heard about previously.

So continuing on with Barack Obama page 5A T. He's talking about how difficult it was to close, Guantanamo Bay. And he says, in fact, the largest contingent 99 men from Guantanamo was from Yemen, a dirt. Poor country with a barely functioning government deep tribal conflicts and the single most active Al-Qaeda. Are outside pakistanis federally administered tribal areas? F80 a, he goes on to mention Yemen for the last time Page, 6 24, Yemen. One of the world's true.

Hard luck cases has become headquarters to Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula, which was now the deadliest and most active chapter of the terrorist Network. We are only in Yemen to fight. Al Qaeda who has already killed us parched partially out of Revenge. We're getting them. And to deter further attacks, there for intervention, in Yemen, along with the Saudis is morally Justified. How do you respond? Do I understand you? Right?

You're saying that the last thing that you read There was his final reference to Yemen. And so I'm going to have to go through this again, but I didn't remember it. So, I went to the index and Yemen only comes up twice. I think you are. And now, and so is there a year in that passage that you just read to me? Is there a year? Or a Time reference there. I'm sorry at the end of 2010 on Page, 6. 24. Yemen is mentioned twice, 581 and 624.

And and you're saying when he's talking there about killing Al Qaeda there he's, this is in 2010 or he's referring to the 2010 are there and nothing after that? If that there you go, you know again with the you know, what, if Donald Trump made of oversight in his Memoir, I probably would not think that was necessarily dishonest.

But but for Barack Obama to just forget that he started the war in Yemen and to leave that out of this book is just it just goes to show that he's essentially a psychopath, right? It could be one of these bait and switch, has he? Since the year 2010 and then mentions Yemen. So technically he didn't say, you know, when it's actually started just like just like me would say we had 9/11 and we had to go into Iraq. Yeah. Okay, they didn't explicitly say it but they're intentionally

lying. Well, look. No, you made it clear, though. In that passes, that you read. This is strictly a reference to the CIA effort against al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula, and he's not mentioning what he's not mentioning at all. Is the entirely other Other different separate war that he launched their with Saudi Arabia in 2015, which is not the same were at all.

As I know. You know, it's the war for Al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula Who are tight allies and serve in the militia of the United Arab Emirates in Allah. In Alliance with Saudi Arabia and the United States against their enemies, the Shiite houthis. So this is like George w--. Bush writing a memoir where he forgets to mention that he backed. Ethiopian invasion of Somalia and it just doesn't fit in there. In fact, I never read bushes Memoir. I'm willing to bet small.

He's not in there. And this is essentially equivalent to that, that, you know, oh, yeah, Yemen. Yeah, that's where I fought Al-Qaeda. There, for a few years, early in my Administration and never mind the last two years of it at all. Never mind. We knew it would be long, bloody and indecisive, but we felt we had to placate the Saudis. And ethical reasons, and you're roughly quoting from a quote, from Obama in the New York Times. Yeah, it's his staff. Anyway. Talking to the New York Times.

Yeah. In fact, I have another quote coming out in the new book. I found a quote of one of the Obama officials saying look, we didn't do this because we thought it would be good for Yemen in any way. The people of Yemen, we did this for the good of u.s. Saudi relations. Start a war. I haven't checked anti board.com. Do you know what the casualties are and Yemen between the

bombings in the sanctions? Well, no, I mean I think nobody knows the the most recent un numbers are almost a quarter of a million, but that would be like a year and a half ago, act LED data. Let's see. I do have this from Recently. The well, it was almost a year ago would have been early. A cloud data. I should I should double-check and see if they have an update. Actually. They had it that there was a hundred thousand and change had been killed directly in

violence. And then I think another 100,000 or so. I forgot exactly the proportions had died of deprivation from the war.

Essentially, you know, casualties of war in the broader sense, but I'm telling you now that that doesn't scratch the surface because you have people dying of Well nutrition, and I'm easily curable diseases, you know, something gets a common cold and drops dead, sir completely malnourished and have no ability to fight off disease, have no clean drinking, water been thousands and thousands of deaths from cholera.

There were some exaggerated reports that a million people have died of Cholera or million people have it then and tens of thousands dying or hundreds of thousands dying.

That was all exaggerated, but still it's thousands and thousands of people in the worst call outbreaks and this is from having Water. Because the Americans and the Saudis bomb, their sewage and bomb their Water Works, and bomb their electricity stole, their Central Bank and moved it down to Aidan. So that to cut off, all the salaries of all the government employees.

So there's no, you know, all the, all the garbage men, all those civil servants, all the people that work at the sewage in the Waterworks, and the electricity can't be paid to do their jobs. So they have to go and try to find work elsewhere, and what have you and all this stuff stays broken. They bomb the hospital's, they bomb the fisherman. And when this is all over, we're going to find that. It's half a million minimum dead civilians in this thing, man. It's a genocide.

It's a deliberate. See, you know, you can do a hell of a war against Iraq, but well, I mean, actually, what's comparable here is after Iraq war one, you know, where during a rock or one, they deliberately bomb the sewage in the electricity and the water works and then put them under blockade. But like ice my comparison was going to be the Iraq War to wear. We got a million people killed on this crazy Mission, you know, as set up by, you know, rice and Rumsfeld.

And whoever to put these factions and then those factions and whatever, you know, trying to negotiate that war and you could say it amounted to a genocide. You could say with this, you know, I just interviewed Kelly vallejos about the absolute horror show. That is Iraq right now. I mean, their society has been completely destroyed, but it wasn't launched as a genocide. It was just Launched as a stupid.

Premeditated murder plot of a few thousand people, you know, it wasn't supposed to be like this, you know, total catastrophe, but in Yemen, it was in Yemen. The purpose of the war. So the kill innocent people. The purpose of the war is to starve them out, you know to riddle them with disease to the point that then what somehow they're going to overthrow their government. So that the government stops making America and Saudi Arabia mad at them, which is completely stupid and wrong.

It'll never work in a million years. It hasn't worked in six years key and there are starving people to death and you know, they deliberately bomb the Farms, we've talked about this, they bomb the grain, silos. They bomb the irrigation ducts and the the flocks of sheep in the field and the trucks. The fishermen the though, you know horses and whatever livestock, they have whatever they can. And then in fact, there's a whole I just found this the other day.

There's a whole Human Rights Watch report targeting businesses where they're going. They're like, I don't know what they're looking in the phone book for the the city of Sodom in North Yemen, and they're just looking in the white pages and who else got a successful business and their address and

their just bombing them. Just trying to completely, you know, destroy ad-libbing the last part there about the phone book, you get it, but they're just trying to destroy every successful business that they can on the ground. Just completely eradicate, the economic life of the civilian population of the country. It's absolutely Savage, Barbarian medieval Siege Warfare, and, and illegal under

all the Geneva conventions. And you know, who says, so State Department lawyers in Obama and Trump's government have written up, memos, saying boss. I'm afraid we could all go to prison for this. Because they are under the delusion that the law applies to them, but they know what the law is. And the law says that it's against the law to do this. There's an American war crimes act, that makes it a felony to participate in these things. And that, you know, just like they said in Syria.

Well, that's why it has to be covert. Because we know it's illegal. Yeah, they're traitors and they're murderers. That's terrible. I look forward to reading the book. I know there's a chapter on Yemen because that's when I got to read two or three times to really get to the bottom page,

06:52 in Syria, the March 2011, arrest, and torture of 15 school boys, who had sprayed anti-government graffiti on City walls, set off major protest against the Assad dominated regime in many of the countries predominantly Sunni communities. After Gasps water cannons beatings and mass arrests failed to quell. The demonstrations. Assad Security Forces. Went on to launch a full-scale

military operations. Across several cities complete with live fire tanks and house-to-house searches in 2011. No one questioned our limited influence in Syria. That would come later. He finishes the section by asking. But what if government start massacring, not hundreds of its citizens, but thousands and the United States. Has the power to stop it. Then what? So because of the crimes of Bashar al-assad against innocent civilians.

The u.s. Big military had to step in on behalf of the citizens to stop the Tyrant Assad. How do you respond? I really dislike this Barack Obama guy. I mean, first of all, that's not true. Second of all is, makes me just got. We're just about I swear to you. I keep saying this. Everybody can't stop thinking it. I feel like it's already been the Biden years for like three years, and it's not even so you feel, a, my God, the sanctimony of these Democrat.

I just can't stand it. You know, just go ahead and admit to me you're lying and just lie. Does it have to be packaged with all this emotional crap, you know, so listen. Yes, the Assad regime did use violence against the protest, but the protesters use violence against the Assad regime to. And you know, what? If there were for example the cop that died from the the Wednesday thing in Washington d.c. Well, we only found out. He died this morning writer

yesterday. It came out that he died but like what if all those right wing Trump, people had come and started killing cops, a bunch of them. And what do you think? I mean, they would have pushed

rumpus. I'd probably at that point the rest of the In DC government would have used far more than necessary Force to eradicate that mob, from being anywhere near their precious, White marble institutions, the America, the American government would use ultimate violent Force to put down any attempt to, you know, overthrow their government or or commit violence against their security forces who are

protecting their institutions. Well, it's true that there were peaceful protesters, moderate protesters democratic reform. Minded people left us some socialists and who knows maybe even Libertarians. I don't know out there protesting wanting to be free, but there were also jihadist killing cops. And so what happens is the cops overreact to that and this isn't to justify anything. And as far as I know that story of the torture, those boys is

correct. And you know, in what during their in, there was a lot of that. But you know, Char Minar wani has written about this at length in the American conservative magazine and a great journalist named William Van wagaman has written about this at my website, you know, the libertarian Institute as As done, incredible research on this showing them. From the very beginning of the protests.

There were some people on the margins were committing acts of violence against the cops and soldiers, and then that makes everything worse. The government, of course, continued to clamp down, and the people then react worse and get more radicalized. But then, here's what's missing in this whole narrative, man. Al Qaeda in Iraq, coming across the border from Iraq to take over this thing. And Barack Obama Saudi Arabia, turkey, Qatar and Israel.

And Jordan all working together to back these jihadis. He says, oh, are barely limited intervention Beyond saying something in 2011, that's a damn lie, and I know it and he knows it and it's proven in my book. It's proven online right now. You can see all over the place where, in fact, John Hannah, who worked for Dick Cheney wrote in a moment.

A certain key that it was in April of 2011 that Prince bandar is back in charge of the Intelligence Division over there in Saudi Arabia and he's emptying the jails and sending terrorists off to fight in Syria. And look, we're talking about, we still had trip is 2011. We still have troops in Iraq, right? Iraq war to wasn't even all the way over yet.

But we're supposed to forget that if Saudi is sending Fighters off to join the Insurgency, that that means al-Qaeda in Iraq. That means the bad guys. At where's, we're not even quite all the way done fighting. Just on the other side of the border from Saudi right now in a rock, right? There's a moment.

And then for the rest, we had Alistair Crook, and we got Eric Margulies, and we've got John Bradley in foreign affairs and We got Phillip geraldi in anti-war.com and we got now leaked the stratfor email that shows that it's trap for. They were talking about this at the end of December 2011. America Britain, French Special Operations forces on the ground spies on the ground money. Saudis and qataris sending weapons, and send and dollars, and it's on.

And so they want to say that this is all generated by Bashar al-assad. No, it wasn't. It was a foreign invasion. Enough american-backed, Al Qaeda terrorists. That's who it was Obama, backed Al-Qaeda terrorist. He goes on to sort of draw this

pattern that there was uprisings in Tunisia, uprisings in Egypt, and then other Middle Eastern dictators, got a little intimidated about the uppity populace. Going into Gaddafi in Libya. He says that the beginning of Gaddafi's regime decades ago. He had been ruthlessly efficient in stamping out dissent in his country. You Using a combination of secret police Security Forces state-sponsored militia to jail torture and murder. Anyone who dared to oppose him later.

He talks about the arrest of a human rights, lawyer by Gaddafi. The this gave rise to protest which Gaddafi accused of being fronts for Al-Qaeda. Gaddafi Unleashed a campaign of Terror, declaring, everything will burn by the beginning of March. The death count has written had risen to 1,000. I called for him to relinquish power arguing that he had lost legitimacy to.

Auburn, we imposed economic sanctions for those billions of dollars that belonged to his family at the United Nations security Council. We passed an arms embargo. They were referred to in the international criminal court as illegitimate. He says, he asked himself, how many more people have to die before?

We take this one step, he finishes by saying, we were trying to prevent a massacre in Libya, while minimizing the risk to give the Libyan people an opportunity to Engineer a new government and then he summarizes the results March ended without a single us casualty in Libya and for an approximate cost of 550 million dollars.

Not more than what we spent per day on military operations in Iraq and Afghanistan. We had accomplished our objective of saving Benghazi and its neighboring cities, perhaps tens of thousands of lives. According to Samantha. It was the quickest International military intervention to prevent a mass atrocity in modern history. What would happen with regard to Libya is government. And unclear with Gaddafi ordering further attacks, even in the face of NATO bombing operations.

And with the opposition fueled by a loose Coalition of Rebel, militias Gaddafi commits atrocities there for the US was rightfully going in to stop the atrocities from continuing. How do you respond? You know, I'm confused because I could have swore at the beginning of that passage.

He was going to talk about. That was why he moved to help overthrow the royal family in Saudi Arabia, and in Bahrain because they restrict the rights of the people there and use violence in Saudi Arabia in know what they do to their Shiite. Dissidents. They cut their heads off and then crucify their headless Corpses.

To set an example, if that's what happens when you stick your neck out, for a little bit of justice and fairness in Saudi Arabia and Bahrain. The, the Shiite masses, the supermajority suffer under a Sunni dictatorship. So called royal family, and they came out to protest after Egypt and Tunisia. And they said, we don't want to overthrow the king. We're not trying to overthrow the king. We just want a constitutional. Monarchy, we just want a law that says of course.

Yeah, you're the king and everything, but just that you can't do anything with us, no matter what like with no accountability at all, because that's not really fair. And you know, what happened, Obama sat there and encouraged at least health or, you know, looked away by.

In fact, I need to go back. I think he even gave the green light for Saturday to send their trucks and tanks across the causeway to the little island nation of Bahrain to help Crush that Uprising on. Half of the monarchy there. And when his chairman of Joint, Chiefs of Staff Admiral, Mullen was asked on NBC. Well, geez, how come we

overthrow the dictatorship? We're working to overthrow the dictatorship in Libya, but we backed the king against his people in Bahrain and Admiral. Mullen said, well you see Bahrain has been a very close Ally for many years. Yeah, and then that's it. That's it.

That's the extent of it. That's where we park our boats and so he can murder every last man woman and child in whatever City. He's gotten, we don't care about that and then so now to Libya, so I had to work that in there and these people are the worst fucking Hypocrites.

It's just unbelievable. But and then, are you telling me that's the end of it. He doesn't talk about what happened in Libya after that, you know, it was a shit show that Tens of thousands of people have been killed there. Since that. The Civil War is still raging to this day. As this book goes to print, there's been hundreds of Benghazi style, massacres that, we imagine might have happened in the meantime, and they will never be a unified State at peace.

They'll never have a parliamentary democracy and they all curse my grades, as they bury their young and what, huh, I was just gonna say he says, almost the last Word on it is. But with no Democratic Traditions, or institutions to draw on the counselors. The counselors had their work cut out for them and with Gaddafi's police force, no longer in place, the security situation in Benghazi, and other rebel areas. Now, had a wild west aspect.

So he mentions the myth of the Wild Wild West which Terry. Oh gosh. I can't think of his name. The The Not So Wild Wild West by, yeah, Terry Anderson. I think, refutes that the long story is All Chaos is caused by government and they try to say, you know, this reminds me of when Freedom caused a lot of chaos. No, no, no. That that's a myth. Same thing. Every time you gotta creators. Yeah. Yeah. So final words on Libya and the effects of the intervention.

Yeah. Okay. So first of all, he's just lying that Qaddafi was massacring civilians on the way to Benghazi. He wasn't and he had not vowed to murder every last man woman and child in Benghazi. He had bowed only to put down the Insurrection and he was right that the Ian was led by Al Qaeda, you know, I don't think he ever said that all the protesters were Al Qaeda. He was saying, look and this is a fact that people can read Alan cooperman.

At the national. Interest has a great write-up on this, that it was Al Qaeda Fighters, Libyan, Veterans of al-Qaeda in Iraq. They were the ones who started this war in derna at the very beginning of the thing or not derived era. Sorry, in the, in the Far East of the country there at the very beginning, and then And that and he's also did a great job Alan Cooper.

My did a great job of riding up in the very first place and he did an extended study of this later, but wrote one up for the Boston Globe called false pretense, for war in Syria about how I mean, in Libya, how they're there was no indication that Qaddafi was going to Massacre the civilians of Benghazi and and then Obama had the nerve to go on TV. He wouldn't even in America. He's in Brazil at the time. He announces the war. Didn't even consult with

Congress whatsoever. He announces the war. On his own initiative and he lies and he says imagine the city of Charlotte, North Carolina 700,000 people wiped off the face of the Earth and every last man woman and child in Charlotte North Carolina massacred and killed to death. That's what we're preventing by launching this war in Libya. Just an absolutely outright lie. I mean, you couldn't make up a lie about saddam's nuclear weapons program.

That was any less honest than that, complete pile of crap. And then he knew from the beginning and Look, the war, took nine months and we knew all along and this is all in the book, but we knew from the very beginning of the war. These are the Libyan Veterans of al-Qaeda in Iraq. These are the British MI6 is Pets, the Libyan Islamic fighting Group. Bin Laden night. Terrorist their bosses, leftover.

Jihadists from The Carter. Ronald Reagan 1980s, Afghan Jihad and in other words U Know OG Bin Laden Nights from the 1980s and 90s. And these were the same guys who Said they were taking and no mention there by Barack Obama about the fact that Qaddafi had just signed a deal with George W, bush to come in from the cold seven months before and that he was setting the precedent. You know, I bet you if you ask Barack Obama, how bad does it? Look that Donald Trump

pronounced his Iran deal? And how is anybody supposed to trust America's word? If any president could just cancel his previous presidents agreement? Oh, yeah. Well, what about George Bush shakes hands with Qaddafi and then Barack Obama shoots him in the side of the head. Ed seven years later, you know, how are the North Koreans are the Iranians supposed to think about Americans and their word after that, you know, it's a miracle. The Iranians shook hands with

him after that at all. And I'm sorry, I forget every single little lie in there. But you see that the biggest lies the Lie by Omission that he doesn't mention really what's happened in Libya in the last 10 years that he completely destroyed it, the places the absolute horror show, tens of thousands of people have been Guilt. Yeah, foreign intervention where the Italians and the qataris, and the Turks back, the government in Tripoli and while the Egyptians and the UAE and the Russians back.

The these are all allies of ours, except Russia. You noticed, right? And the French back, the government in Benghazi. Oh I say we skip the part by I'm sure Obama skips the part where his CIA director. David Petraeus was committing high treason running. Guns and jihadist terrorists from Benghazi off to the next war in Syria, which is what got Ambassador Stevens killed. Why was Ambassador Stevens? Even in Benghazi and not

Tripoli? It's because he was helping to run this operation with the CIA committing high treason on behalf of Osama. Bin Laden's, guys just as they're killing Bin Laden, they're taking his side. And and what's Obama going to say about that? It said? Oh, yeah. No, this doesn't have anything to do. I never heard. I'm Ana's all the way here. This is like that time that we should have saved the Tutsis in Rwanda. See that are the hutus in Rwanda. No.

The other way around. Yeah, so maybe final question.

What was Iraq War 3? What was the rack War? What you cut out there? I'm sorry. What is Iraq War 3. So that's when Obama support for the terrorists in Syria from 2011, through 2013. First of all, Isis broke off from al-Qaeda in Syria. They, it was just as kind of a little bit hard to explain, but Al Qaeda in Iraq from Iraq war to rename themselves.

The Islamic State of Iraq at their lowest point when they didn't control a city block, you know, they call themselves the Islamic. 8 then once Obama and allies, start the war in Syria, then they come up with this new name job at all nusra, and they send the more Syrian part of Al Qaeda in Iraq. Back to their home country, to start up the war.

Well, the war is going great because they got unlimited weapons and money from the Americans and jihadist fighters from all over the region to go and bite. And so in 2013 at the end of 2000. No, no. Sorry, spring of 2013. Isis breaks off from Al-Qaeda, and breaks off from Syrian.

Al-Qaeda. The Syrian dominated faction of al-Qaeda in Iraq, and says, we're independent, and we're creating an Islamic State, and they declare an Islamic State in eastern Syria. Okay, then a year later, they roll into Western Iraq, and they conquer all of Western Iraq this

whole time. Obama still back in the terrorists, who are, you know, all the guns and the money, and the fighters are going to Worst actors which are on the threat and Isis. So this was 100 percent Petraeus and John Brennan's doing and, and, and Barack Obama's doing.

I mean, they made this happen. And so once they rolled into Iraq and conquered Iraq, then Obama launched a rock were three in order to destroy the Islamic State caliphate and drive them back out because it wasn't supposed to be that big and bad right there. Trying to hurt Assad, in Damascus, and drive, Assad out of power and emasculate. Because they weren't trying to turn all of Western Iraq into Bin Laden, Stan, like officially, because that's just

embarrassing. They were happy to see the Shiites under that pressure. The guys that they wish they hadn't fought a wreck or 24, but then eventually they had to come. And then so Obama launched the war in August of 2014 and ended right around a year later, you know, end of the summer of 2017 was when they finished, roasting them out of mosul and in Western Iraq and Syria, and raqqa. And Eastern Syria. And so now, you know what we call? Isis is just al-Qaeda in Iraq,

from Iraq, war two. And, you know, again just the longest story short there, never was Al Qaeda in Iraq at all, until that war, Bush came in and, you know, really created their ground for Al Qaeda in Iraq to grow into this giant Menace and then amazingly and luckily almost a miracle, the local Iraqi Sunni population. Got so sick of their crap that they killed him. And they just marginalized.

The hell out of them and made them, you know, the Iraqi tribes did and just reduce their numbers to almost nothing. And then in 2011 Obama comes and puts him, right? Just resuscitate some right back to life. Again, puts a bunch of guns and money in their hand, to take their War to Syria. And so, I mean, it's just and it's to be clear. It's not because Obama's a secret Muslim from Kenya. Like the right-wingers believe

it's because he's George w--. Bush is because America puts Saudi Arabia and Israel's interest first and they hate the Shiites more. Iran and Iran's friends and who benefited especially from Iraq war two. And so now the Americans are trying to make up for that by sucking up to the king of Saudi Arabia by backing his terrorist forces wherever they are. Whether in Libya in Syria, or in Yemen. The title of the book is enough already time to end the war on terror.

Is that correct? Yeah war on terrorism here. You see excellent. Yes, enough already time to end the war on terrorism. Scott, Horton. Thank you so much for your time. As always. Thank you Keith free shipping.