In order to Rally people governments need enemies, they want us to be afraid to hate, so we will rally behind them. And if they do not have a real enemy, they will invent one in order to mobilize us. Welcome to Keith's night. Don't try it on anyone in the libertarian Institute today. I am joined by Clint of liberty lockdown, Clint. Where is the best place for people to find your excellent podcast? Spotify, iTunes, YouTube, just search liberty lockdown and you will find me.
Links will be in the description below. So Clint the other day. I was catching up on some on top of PFS speeches and he has a great opener where he says, there's a major contradiction 99% of intellectual say the state is a necessary institution. Also monopolies are evil and we need governments to regulate these. Also, the state should monopolize money and they should monopolize Taxation and they should have been opalized legislation. And they should monopolize the courts.
How can you believe something? So, blatantly contradictory? So Clint, my opening question to you is. How do we get people to want to see through such blatant propaganda? Well, I thought about this a lot and I think ultimately, it requires that people actually know that they're being propagandized, first and foremost, because this is kind of, the red pilling discussion that we all have all the time. Is that unless Less you are aware. You're being propaganda.
Is you can't want to see through it. It's kind of I think for me. I started to see through when I realized contradictions and I realized hypocrisy, I realized that government is a monopoly and these people that claim to be fighting monopolies. Can't possibly think government is the solution when you're just replacing one Monopoly with another. So I think at its root you have to, you have to allow people to wake up, or you have to find a way to wake them up. Faster than they already are.
Unfortunately. I think that the lockdowns have have done that for a tremendous amount of people. I think that the V rollouts have done that for a ton of people. So I'm hopeful. I'm despite the fact that I come off, extremely Black Gold Online. I'm pretty hopeful that that we're headed in the right direction. Excellent. So I came across this article which was just such a slap in the face as far as propaganda goes, because usually it's very subtle and in Paragraph nine out of 17.
You'll find a line. That's like that's a dog whistle for people in power to use a crisis as a justification to drastically increase power. That's not what we're dealing with today at all. This is from foreign policy.com. It says the pandemic proves only technocrats can save us. This is by parag Khanna. This is a guy who wrote a book called American technocracy the rise of the information state. So let's just go With, but let's just start with the title.
The pandemic proves only technocrats can save us. What are your thoughts on that line? Well, I mean after the past 18 months, to think the technocrats are the people that can save us is astonishing and we have been ruled by the technocratic elite, and we have allowed them to dictate everything. We've done basically they've shut down our businesses and mass star children and made us put things that our body. And I mean, everything we've done has been technically. Secrecy.
So it's like it's astonishing that these people after that after I mean it do they view it as a success. Did they view the vaccine roll out as a success? They view the lockout. So I guess they do. The only answer is yes, they have to because otherwise his entire thesis is null, the problem. Is that what we're so busy arguing over? What the numbers are, or aren't what they should, or shouldn't be what they would or would otherwise be?
Meanwhile. We're totally giving them the Field of. Yeah, you have the right to rule us. Now. Let's argue about how we're going to implement this. If you don't have this, self-ownership recognition in the back of your mind at all times. No wonder you're so easily to get enslaved. Bill Gates was just on. I think it was CNN where he had said, you know, we're going to have to, you know, maybe increased lockdowns away. We want to look at countries like Australia of all the countries.
He could have chosen. He chooses. Has Australia where there is just such blatant in-your-face, orwellian. Tyranny, you know, places like New Zealand. They get one case in the that the entire thing locks down. You have any ideas on how to combat the mindset of I listened to the experts? Therefore. I'm superior to those who listen to liberty lockdown, right? Well, I would encourage people to measure my accuracy versus falchions. I like Go through my catalog of episodes as I'm analyzing in
real time. What's occurring with the pandemic versus foul cheese recommendations? And if you, if you conclude that, he is more accurate than me, then stick with him. But I promise you, you won't. I mean, this is, this is why I am so approach. I mean, this is, it's hilarious to because this is basically exactly what conspiracy theories have been saying all along is that there's this, there's this technocratic Elite and they want to rule over us and they conspire to do so.
And and it's just they come out with this article and just like, yep, that's exactly what we're doing. And also, it's a good thing. So, yeah, it's heartbreaking. Then I get we can't go through every single word of this because we'll be here forever. But after the heading, there's the subheading populist politician. Okay. First of all populist politicians, see democracy is vitally important. We need the people to be involved in voting.
But whenever it's a democratic politician, they don't like well, that's dumb populism. That's like student council. It's just you being popular. There's no principles behind it. They have this day of two different words for the same exact thing. Democracy. Good populism, bad. Okay. Populist politicians. Love to be little experts, but when it's a matter of life and death the precautionary principle and expertise are what counts thoughts on that
sentence. I mean, yeah, obviously when Situation's dire, it's important to get correct information. The problem is is that information is like true information is best acquired through Diversified exploration where you're allowing, you know, numerous individuals.
And in fact, you know, the entire population potentially, to be doing their own research to be to be trying things as opposed to this top-down approach, where you have A novel virus that you're trying to evaluate in the moment and you have someone just coming out and saying this is what we have to do and we have to do it on a global scale. I mean it's it's completely counter to what science has been my entire life. So yeah, at its at its core it's flawed at the end of paragraph 1.
He says, among the public and experts debates have swirled around who made the most accurate guesses about the number of covid-19 casualties. He's or its impact on the stock market and then the sentence ends right there. So in other words, he's saying there's a debate going on. It's about the numbers and the impact on the stock market. Don't you love how they take the principle of whether or not human? Beings are free to voluntarily associate and he goes, no. No, that's not the debate
debate. The debate is this number of the on the, the Dow Jones Industrial Average? Well, how do you accurately calculate that when we're on QE? The 7 of this year alone. So he totally fakes you out on what the actual debate is around with regard. I'm sorry. Yes. No. And in truth, what is the stock market? But basically a signifier of Economics which are economic wealth, but the economic wealth, the reason we value that is because we want to decrease
human suffering. I mean, that's ultimately like, the reason we want to acquire wealth is that we can prosper and purchase things, too. Benefit our lives in to live healthier and happier lives. So it completely misses the point. It goes to this dollars and cents. Answer. When ultimately, this is, the should be evaluated pretty much exclusively on human suffering because you're dealing with a pandemic and you're dealing with lockdowns.
And what has it done to people psyche and everything else. Anyways, I can go on forever so we can keep going. Vitally important point. Thank you for pointing that out. When it comes to the debate among. Let's just narrowly focus on. Covid-19 casualties and the Stockwell, what we answered the stock market, economic effects. What do you say to people when they say for heaven's sakes? The casualties are so high. Sometimes, you have to crack a
few eggs to make an omelet. The egg cracking is the lockdowns. The omelet is the future of civilization. How do you respond to that mindset of? I don't care about and I just want the low numbers. Well, I deal with it in a few different ways. I mean, Depends on the person that you're who's your opposition here? If they are hard graphs and charts, people then obviously, I'll point out how much better other nations other states have done without the harsh. Dictates harsh lockdowns, Mass
spending sings of that nature. If it's someone I think I can reach on a moral philosophical principle level. I will counter it with human Liberty. And do you believe in Freedom? Do you actually think that individuals? Have rights that supersede the collective. I mean, do you do you believe that? Because if you don't well, that I'm not sure we have much more to discuss to be honest, but I will certainly try and shame them into acknowledging.
The fact that you are dismissing individual rights in this moment. And, and then my last resort is, is trying to explain that the, the ultimate toll that it's taking on human psychology and the fact that, you know, we may end up losing more lives. Because of what were the scope of the government that were allowing to now exist globally? And like, is that trade-off? Is that risk worth while? You know, so you can hit him on a thousand angles.
Honestly. I love what you said about potentially shaming them, if they're not listening to reason because I love giving people both, I love saying here's the reason and then when the vast majority of them more or less spit in my face at in response, you can always use what I know. I ran called the argument from and Imitation any attempt to show disapproval. Okay, so you think some people own the bodies of others that people don't get to choose what they do. You are much more focused on
numbers. So in 1860 your argument would have been let's run the GDP numbers on. What unsaved individuals will do. Let's look at all welfare recipients and see if they'd be more productive if they were enslaved. So you don't have any principles. You're just an animal going off Instinct. I You letting me know that that might do.
That might actually do, it might not change their mind, but it might get them to shut up and not make that next cringe, Tick Tock video that guilt other people into conforming know. You're exactly right. I'll be there. That's kind of, like my last line of defense. I'm just like, I think what you're doing is monstrous. So, if I've given you rational explanations and logical counters and all sorts of, you know, statistical examples as to why you're wrong and you're still not hearing me.
I'll just make you feel bad. I'm not above that. Exactly. Have you taken the covid? Charts test. By Tom Woods? I think I did it along like months ago. Did it's been out for a while, right? Oh, yeah. Yeah. It's looking out for a while. Yeah, it's so good because you no longer need the well, you guys care about lives. We care about some other factors. It's like, even if I grant, you, mask mandates and lockdowns, there's no correlation between lockdowns.
Mass mandates and lower numbers in the best indicator is States within America or even in Asia, of course, they erroneously compare Asia to America. But even if you look at the same places, you know, Cambodia, Japan China regardless of their response to it. They had more or less the same results in the same area. So you can look at the line and you have to guess which place had the Mandate, which one is Alabama. And which one is you?
Mississippi or something, where they had different approaches to this. It's, it's not even the, the case that well, you have to give the state a little more power, so you can get all these better results. You don't even get the better results, which is, which is so often the case. I mean, this is exactly the libertarian argument against Central planning. Is that even when it sounds like a good idea, it doesn't pay off. I mean, it's almost never gets you, the results.
You expect and I would argue it. Never does. So I mean, but Tom did a killer job of actually making that visually explicit. You'd think that the expert class the very smart people of the world would have a little more humility after a 20-year war in Afghanistan led to the Taliban taking over an 11 days. The entire country.
I mean like it became pretty easy to dismiss Iraq, as you know, a quagmire or a blunder, of course, they still couldn't call it evil when you know, you're killing civilians, but at least they got a wreck. With Afghanistan, everyone was on board. I think there was like one congresswoman who voted against it and was the expert class. Like wow, maybe just cause we're experts.
Well, I mean, who in 2001 said this is going to be a 20-year unwinnable war and it's going to kill a bunch of people in the Taliban is going to be just as strong as ever before. Well, they'll have more popular support because now they've taken down the US government the Empire. So now they're probably more popular amongst the people than ever the extra class. Never. Guys is even when they're blatantly wrong.
Well, they do. And they don't even, they refused to even reflect on it. It's astonishing. And then once we finally get out, then they point the finger at all the moral failings of our withdraw and then they say well what about the women and children that are going to be forced to be masked? It's like well first off you're masking our own women and children at home. So like get off the moral high horse. You don't have any moral High Ground to talk to people like
this anymore. And I think that that's the biggest change that. I actually noticed as I reflected on. I was like man. 1999 American. Akka to 2021 America is unrecognizable and to me that's that's how you know, Osama Bin Laden one. I mean, he bankrupted us. The Taliban is back in power. Like how did he not win? I don't understand how anyone could view this as anything other than the most egregious loss in military history for this country.
I mean, it's really bad and look at the covid connection. Of course, they will. Pin it on, you know, put People Like Us. Or, you know, anyone saying that we never should have gone, or we should have negotiated with the Taliban and Bush should have accepted their offer as he mentions in the Afghanistan chapter of decision points.
He says, yeah, we gave them an offer but we had no intention of accepting it. It was mainly just to increase public support behind our our Invasion because they denied mullah Omar, handing over Bin Laden. So, what they do is, you know, that they create a disaster and then blame the people who Ooh, you know, said we shouldn't have gone in the first place. Well, isn't that exactly like our article here? Where they say?
Well, we need to lock down and then the lockdowns don't work and then they blame everyone else or they say, well, we need a vaccine and then they get the vaccine, which does not have the effect. They thought it would. So they blame people questioning the vaccine. They will never admit they're wrong.
So to give them any leeway. You can't give them what Tyler Cowen and Alex. Rockdale so-called Libertarians the Cato world of. Well, let's give it a shot and see if it works but they've already had the foregone conclusion. The best evidence is in paragraph to the Cano says, but if and when covid-19 is finally eradicated will have these technocrats to thank. So. He's already thanking them before it happens. How does he know?
It's not going to be a, you know, diverse group of people in the middle of nowhere, who come up. With you know, who come up with some solution. I don't know, long story short. He's already saying that I'm already thinking those in power. I have no clue how this is going to end. Not to mention that this was created and in a lab in Wuhan. There you go. Any thoughts on that. Well, a ton of thoughts. I mean, back to your first point.
This is the exact same argument with funding for public school, no matter what the outcome. It's just we didn't have enough money. You gave them all the money in the world and the results were shit, they'd be well, it's just because we didn't have enough money and this is the same thing with Afghanistan now. Well, it's been 20 years. But if it had been 25, you don't know. You don't know that. It might have been great. I mean, we might have created the next Japan.
So it's a, you know, unfalsifiable unfalsifiable assertion. Essentially. It's like, yeah, I mean you can make that claim. But we gave you motherfuckers, 20 years, and you didn't accomplish anything. So I'm going to air on On the side of you being wrong and me being right?
And it's got hardened is said, you know, even if you believe that we should have invaded we should have been out by December of 01. I mean, it should have been over by then because if they were willing to hand over Bin Laden, you're done. So on all counts on all fronts, what they claim to be doing with that war was a lie, and I think that what they claim to be doing with the lockdowns, is also a lie. I don't think it has to do with covid and I know it gets into Alex Jones, woo, world.
Comic Forum conspiracy land, but I believe that I believe that there's no justifiable reason for them to be doing a global rollout of what I consider totalitarianism. I mean, they are treating us globally as slaves. They are talking about, not allowing us to leave our car States, our countries, our homes. I mean, it is absolute Madness and they have somehow manipulated the public into believing at least half of the people. It seems.
That this is good, that this is how we should be responding to a virus that is relatively benign. Sorry. I went off on a total tangent there. But well, I think you're right. Get, you're totally right. Of course. This was the ultimate. You no excuse for them to do everything that they've wanted to do. Anyways. Yeah. I looked into the situation. Long story short, my organization gets a ton of money in a ton of power. Well, I'm sure that's the conclusion. You came to her.
Out convenient, the same people who since you know, what the first world war. The Spanish American war have have the same Progressive mindset or neocon mindset, whatever, even on the right. It's some people wanting to
control others. I mean, to be totally honest, even if he gave the kindest person, this amount of power, it would literally be like the Ring in Lord of the Rings were, the nicest person would be like, oh my God, like if I got this amount of power tomorrow, I'm like, all right. I can finally shut down. Cooler talk. And I can take down The Young Turks and MSNBC. All, this is gonna be great. You guys would never hear from me again. High tide, be in teheran evil.
It's it's so difficult. And one other note, you know, his, his assertion that we're going to thank the technocrats at the end of this. I'm still Pretty, pretty staunchly of the belief that we would be in this position. If not in a better position without lockdowns, without the vaccine roll out without anything. If the government, I still believe this, I believed it 45 days in, I believe it to this day, had we had the government do nothing. We would be in a better
position. Now, I think that there's a high probability that we don't have the Delta variant that we don't have the next variant if we're not vaccinating. There's there's a lot of It is that that's actually what's transpiring. And then you also have the lockdowns, which reduce people's immune response. You have the fact that they're not getting enough Sun then so they don't have enough vitamin D there.
I mean, there are so many layers to this and it is so many factors that it's, I can't, I can't prove it. I mean, there's so much manipulation. I can't know, but I know as well as he does as to. What's gonna, who's gonna be responsible for us, prevailing over covid. As if we are ever going to Prevail. My personal opinion is going to be endemic. We're gonna have covid-19 of our fucking Human existence, so, do you remember when this first
came out? And it was like, ALC, Donald Trump. Even Gordon Ramsay was saying in order to fight this, what you need to do is wash your hands, keep your hands clean. Don't touch your eyes nose and mouth. That's where the virus gets in. Yep. And then they have completely dropped that. The science is both objectively
clear. And it also changes all the time day and of course, fauci was on 60 Minutes and you don't need masks and you don't get to Say, well, he looked into it and using the scientific method changed his professional opinion. Well, he never apologized for getting it wrong, if he was really sorry, and it was some terrible accident or Eve a I, uh, I told him the wrong thing. I got to go chain, guys. I gotta clarify. I got to step down. I got a resign.
We got a fire people for getting this so wrong. It's so important. They really didn't care. Surgeon. General was tweeting out people. Stop, buying mass that are pretty much a waste. Waste the World Health Organization was saying, Chinese officials have looked into it. Virus doesn't go from person to person. It's sort of like shingles. Some people have the virus in them. It's not contagious. Cancer is not contagious that
way. So yeah, I think the lack of apologies are probably the best indicator that it's not a difference of a world view. It's some people trying to control others. Well that and it's also I mean, it's just it's just such incredible hubris, like when they talk about the updated science, they will acknowledge the Changes, you know, the any time they get caught up in that.
Well the science of Olives, the science changed, you can't blame me. But then I'm going to speak with the same exact level of, you know, Authority. As I did six months ago. When I told you the exact opposite thing and you're supposed to trust me and you and if you question me, you're a science denying asshole, you know, it's like it's so frustrating. It's like, how do you not know what I was just watching. You say the opposite thing. Not not too long ago.
Oh 14 days to flatten the curve. It's like when Peter Griffin tries to keep getting free samples. So he puts on a mustache, then he puts on glasses. They're not fooling anyone. You're the same girl screwing us. Nothing has changed page, two Rising geopolitical tensions. Even the first three words of that sent Rising geopolitical. So things are extremely complex. There's so much tension that now, Clint you're just too. Done. We need the technocrats or take
over. They try to get you in this, the world is so complex. Know the world is complex.
And that's why having technocrats with so much power is the worst approach to the complexities of the world that we live in great three words and and they're so on this Rising geopolitical tensions, the governance of a frontier Technologies, like, artificial intelligence and climate change are other existential issues where Global cooperation at the moment can be Best be described as kicking the can down the road but crisis management is not the same as problem.
Solving that requires a strong Global application of the precautionary principle as well as the provocative steering of large-scale resources to Solutions. If you want a better world for your children, don't hold your breath. For Global Democratic deliberation response to that paragraph. Well, first off the assertion that we need of global governance. To Ai and all these new technologies I think is horrifying.
I was actually talking to my friend last night about this and and you know, she was like artificial artificial intelligence is really scary. And I was like, I'll grant you that I think it is scary and she's like, in the government doesn't even have any regulations for it. I was like do you think if they were to roll out regulations for AI that it wouldn't be written by Google and Facebook and apple and everybody that has a financial interest in it and
right away. She was like, yeah, it would I was like, okay, so The regulations are worthless. I mean ultimately it's going to come down to abolishing the government and then as having some sort of cultural agreement as to what what level of AI becomes too dangerous for, you know, Humanity's existence. Sorry. I got I got sidetracked. But what any other? So so so let's just let you take this. He mentions all in one in order to get Gallup. Has he says, geopolitical tensions.
So foreign policy artificial Origins climate State climate change, other existential issues, getting into existentialism, the philosophy of existence, he throws everything in there to make you feel dumb and insecure and to hand that. So you're much more likely to say, well let let the wiser people figure this out. See the great thing about volunteerism is, if you're extremely insecure about your money, you can delegate your rights to an accountant. I don't think I'm good with
engineering. So I buy a computer and a microphone and a cell phone instead of making one myself. That's me delegating expertise to people who know far more than me. No one's saying no. Even says we're Global cooperation. At the moment. Can best be described as kicking the can down the road. So even Global voluntary cooperation. He just calling it kicking the can down the road. He Advocates, large-scale resources to Solutions. Don't hold your breath for
Democratic deliberation. So he was He was saying that Global voluntary cooperation was kicking. The can down the road is that implying that that it has to not be voluntary, you know, he says, we're Global cooperation at the moment, can best be described as kicking the can te. So that's not going to work. We can't just cooperate. So even it's so used to be. We need to do this together, that was code for the state getting involved. He now is like, completely thrown cooperation out the
window all together. This is this is exactly what de Blasio. Said this morning. He's like he's like we people respond best when we have carrots and we have sticks. We've tried the carrots and he doesn't say now, it's time for the stick. But you know what? The implication is there. This sounds like that. To me.
It sounds like the same claim that like what we tried telling you plebs what to do, and how to survive this, you didn't fucking listens and how we have to force it into your body or you can't live a life of Freedom ever again. It's like Well, that's a declaration of war friend. If that's if that's the path. You want to take. You are declaring war on me. Whether I want the vaccine or not. I'm never going to tell you if I've taken it because it's none of your fucking business.
And I will continue to live as a free person for the rest of my life. And if you infringe upon that, you are addressing upon me. And I will respond in kind. That's, that's how I perceive all of this and anybody, like other Libertarians are getting into this, like, Private property, you know, they have the right to disassociate all this shit. I'm like, I'm not having any of it. It's a fucking declaration of war. You know what it is.
If they, it's obviously being dictated to them via political pressure, Biden, and Cuomo, and all of these other assholes have come out and recommended strongly that private businesses, mandate vaccination. It's like, well, what do you think that is? Is that not an alliance between big business and big government? Do you there's a word for it, you okay with it? Because I'm pretty sure I'm not. I don't know my overstating it. What do you think? Not at all? I love your response to whether
I get it or not. I'm never going to tell you because that deprives them of what they're really after, which is just wanting to control other people. I mean, this is that, since the Pharaohs of Egypt, we've been fighting the battle of the information bore of some people against others, so they could violently dominate, them either
directly or indirectly. That's that's the ancient war between, you know, human, Things he goes on to say there are numerous examples of the 20th century interventions designed to prevent worst-case scenarios. You know, what's coming? This is the best because the most common justification for current state intervention is past State intervention. They never justify it at the moment. They just do a thing take over, you know, large portions of the
economy in the first world war. So next time, there's a depression, they say, well, come on Kaiser Wilhelm was hardly a threat to us. One knew that at the time. No, you lied about it, then. So, if we do that for Kaiser, Wilhelm, well, certainly the depression. Now, we need to confiscate the nation's gold and in turn a bunch of Japanese people. Yep, and I know it every time and and World War Two is always viewed as such a positive and
FDR is so deified. Like he was not one of the worst tyrants that's ever ruled over this country. It's it's astonishing. How they can rewrite history. And that is the power of myth and narrative, how they can just create Heroes and then good will call you. FDR bad will call you Hitler. And now we've pretty much decided everything that there is to even if you even says in the Years of World War Two, then u.s. President Franklin Roosevelt conceived of the four policemen
to restrain military. Rearmament a coalition that became embedded in the United Nations security Council. So in other words, if you thought going into the second world war was good, then technocrats should rule over US during covid, right? Which is just such a like, such a leap. It's what 75 years ago or something. And Oh my God, and if we wore, it's not if it's not a, I mean there's a massive genocide going on and for the record. I don't think it happens without
World War one. I don't think we should have been involved regardless, but it's a totally different thing. So, know the answer to your assertion that you that I should. Now, listen to technocrats is no, and they never even consider the cost to covid or the world wars. They're like, all right, the war that Britain declared on Germany because they violated polish Independence ended with 60. And Ed Millions enslaved, Millions homeless and giving Poland to Stalin along with 11
other countries. Okay. Can we not say that? It's a cut and dry case? Can we say that there's both pros and cons? But that's the great lie. Health Care, Free education, free Ward keeps us, safe. Covid, vaccine stops, the spread, it's all these no cost solutions that they're able to fake us out with. It's actually a Time preference argument because it's like if you if you want the best outcome. Um, in the short term, you can justify a lot of statism. You can justify money printing.
You can justify all sorts of malfeasance and terrible management of of a Nation. But if you want the best for the long term, individualism, you know, fiscal sanity small government. Those are the things that actually get us, you know, the brightest tomorrow, but that's not how politicians live politicians live for that election tomorrow. They don't live for the election 10 years from now, and I think that that's a fatal flaw and
democracy. Excellent point. What I love about this next paragraph is their ability to admit, the Alex Jones is of the world who are right. And then still dismiss them similar approaches, have characterized the US and un response to Major demographic risks in the 1970. Okay, you see, Clint, there's risks to the real world and risks are bad. Unlike handing tons of control over the government and all rest
there. It doesn't there's does but the risk is in not having the government in complete control. That's the only risk that they see. No, it's terrible in the 1970s fearing the security. They just want us to be secure fearing. The security implications of a rapidly growing growing world population. The Ford Administration began significant support for population planning.
Policies such as the mass distribution of contraception across the developing world that represented a turning point in global fertility contributing to the present plateau of the world population at almost 8 billion, people rather than 15 billion. People feared at the time, more fake numbers. The long story is there was a population control plan under Ford written by Kissinger titled National State, security memorandum 200. So they admit population control
exists. And they want to put something inside of us that we have no clue what it is. Can you see why? Some of us are a little skeptical? Not not saying I know for a fact, it's evil, but can you see why some of us are skeptical? What do you think about this concept of well? Comment on anything? Well, yeah idea that they'll be like but population control is a fake conspiracy theory. Alright? It exists but it's for the greater good. What a great trick.
I mean, that's what they do with most, most of the conspiracy theories that we have them dead to rights on. They will, they will. Deny it to the end of the Earth. And then, as soon as you as soon as you actually like present the evidence, like well, what about the CIA report from 50 years ago and they'll be like, yeah, but it's good. I mean, aren't Eugenics good Keith, you know, like I personally I don't think so. I don't think.
Do you think that the China, you know, one child policy is a good thing. Do you think that's moral? And, but I think that many of these people, if they, you know, if they had their druthers, they would like to have that for the entire world. They see no issues with, with the top down, technocratic. Tell terrorism.
Yeah, I mean even with the as far as going back to 2001, you know, the Alex Jones of the world were saying well the full The Carter and Reagan administration helped the mujahideen in the 70s to fight the Soviets. Lot of those Afghani Fighters we could call Al Qaeda and then today in 2012. It's like they Jake Sullivan's like, yep, the way we're fighting.
Assad is Is were siding with al-Qaeda in Syria or siding with Al Qaeda and Yemen, where siding with al-Qaeda, in Libya against Gaddafi. So, like the most bizarre thing ever, that you could have said in 2001, is the CIA is teaming up with the people that are Waging War against and now it's like, of course we do that. We got to fight Assad Assad, gassed his own people for god, sakes and simultaneously at the
exact same moment. They will talk about how we have to go back into Afghanistan because we can't have a place for Al Qaeda to, you know. Regrow their terrorist boot camps, you know, it's like it's just it's just the kind of the mm immediate dissidents that it gives me. It just makes me want to jump through. The screen covid-19 is a fine example. Risk philosopher Nassim Nicholas taleb and his collaborators
complexity theorists feminist. Dance theory is the joke that we use to to say these peoples fake tiles risk philosopher. And complexity theorists. Those are worse than what we make up to ma get near barium. And Joseph Norman issued prescient early warnings in January of 2020. Arguing in favor of the precautionary principle owing to the interconnectedness of global epidemiological social and
economic systems. So Clint technocracy is Justified. This is referred to as scientific dictatorship rule by the experts is just a I'd so we can take precautions against Terrible Things. How do you respond? Well, it's not justified and it's a provably just damned path to take that. What frustrates me most about technocracy. Is that like, if you take, any person who's been a political figure, a leader over the past 20 years, and you were to just evaluate like, what were they saying?
Was going to happen? What were they advocating for? What did it lead to? I don't think you can can conclude anything other than Ron. Paul would be the greatest. Technocratic leader. We could hope for he's gotten more things, right? Warned about more things Afghanistan, the real estate collapse to you know, infinite printing the Federal Reserve, endless war CIA spying and sat essay. All of it. Never going away. He has been right about all of this but yet they don't they
don't appreciate track record. Like if you're going to believe in technocracy at a minimum, you have to believe in following people's track record of results, and they don't. And that's what makes me really hate them more than even, you know, believing in technocracy. He is being bad at it. You're just fucking bad to not even good, you didn't even think there'd be a downside to overthrowing Saddam in your war against al Qaeda, that gave Iraq to Al-Qaeda, right?
I mean, under no circumstance and then, you know, of course, inflation is the great one that we say because so many Libertarians are Austrian Economist sympathizers. We say, yeah, well an increase in the money supply. Appliance going to increase prices more than they otherwise would be. And then CNN has the nerve to say, of course. They deny inflation as Biden does to Don Lemon and then CNN comes out and says expect higher food prices to stay because of extreme weather.
So now they admit that. Yes, the prices are rising but it's back to the climate change. It's like playing status to whack a mole. Every time we take one down. We what? We got to hit another one. Do you have any techniques for Or assisting people, so they don't fall for the next scam. Other than to listening to people like you. And I know, I mean, honestly, I think it's just it's just important to realize that the media, the politicians Hollywood.
Everyone is lying to you. So if you're going to rely on someone to give you information, you're making a mistake, it's going to require you to not believe the initial news reports on basically everything that hits your your computer, your inbox whatever and it's going to require. A little bit of patience, a little bit of diligence, a little bit of, you know, self-starting research. If you, if it sounds propaganda e-i mean after this, past year
and a half. If you don't know what I'm talking about when it when I say it, does it sound like propaganda. Just think about it. Does it sound like it because we have been propagandize aggressively for a year and a half. So I think that that's the key is like any good libertarian is now at the point of like I don't trust anybody like I'm going to do follow-up research before I start to run.
With some narrative or even, just giving them the insecurity of do you see why people buy kids, who went to Mormon school for 12 years are really sympathetic to the Mormon Church. Okay. How about the Catholic church kids who went to their? Okay. So when the state has a monopoly on compulsory education for like what 80 90 percent of the
citizenry? Can you see why a lot of them are such suckers for giving the state more power look like even before we ever About, whether the sinking of the Maine was really done by the Spanish, or whether the vaccine is reliable. Can we just agree that you have a big bias toward the gut? Like you shouldn't be the judge when your mother is on trial. You have such a bias. It's impossible for you to be fair. Can we just start there?
You have any other techniques of increasing their skepticism? Our insecurities about, you know, trusting the technocrats or the state. I mean go read enough already. Bye. Horton, like if you want to see all of the wars that have led to all of the next Wars and and how they were almost all predicated on lies and I mean, they were all predicated on lives but more to some extent than the others.
I just think it's really important that people realize it's not, it's not novel for the government to lie to us. It is the norm. It's unusual for them to tell us the truth. So I just would drive that point home. Like you need to be skeptical to your core. You like any any Did you receive that? That demands an immediate response from you? And and that response the the requested response is to give the government more power.
You need to be very cautious every single time if that's like global warming terrorism covid lockdowns. Anti-vaxxers, anytime their response to that is give us more power. We can fix it. They're lying to you at least start from that from that position and then work your way through. How do you explain to the average person do you? Difference between government, the state and just a regular organization. Normally, it's just the Monopoly
on violence. You know, if it's if it's government or the state, they have a monopoly on violence. If it's a private organization, they don't normally, they're held responsible by the government. So if they were to commit violence, they would be, you know, theoretically in prison except for an America, where you now have this Unholy Alliance of Private Business and the state. So, I don't know. Is there? How else would you delineate? Well, I love the second part
about how. Usually, we would hold people accountable. Principal, but if they lie with the state, well, then again we can see that. There's a principle difference. It's not just private good, public bad. It's people who engage in this initiating aggression against peaceful, people, that should
principal difference. And I just want to, of course, you know, this is at the back of all of our minds whenever we're having this discussion, but I just, I'm really trying to think of a quick clever way to describe it to the average statist or who has no conception. Option of what the state is government. They Define as the people who helped us cooperate. That's like that's quite literally their their definition. So so when it comes to, let's just take this line from the article.
It's time for big decisions and strong management, whether a sovereign debt resolution framework or a new Green Revolution. So embedded in that is always some people are going to have the right to rule and others are going to have the right. Obey, so that's why I'm so obsessed with this libertarian principle. And always, before we talk about all the details. Do you know why? I'm against this group called the government group, like, why I pick on them out of all the
organizations? And, and of course, just just like you were saying it's not enough to say private good when they're the explicit co-conspirators. When he says something like time for sovereign debt resolution framework or a new Green Revolution. When it comes to the environment, this is something where it's completely complex and so out of the ordinary. So some people are so likely to say it's so complex. I'm just going to let the experts decide for me.
How do you responded to that mindset? Well, I mean other than to point out that the government's, the biggest polluter on Earth US, military in particular. I would say, why would you rely on the biggest polluters to be responsible for? Remedying it? And then I would point out the, you know, incredible innovations that we have in a free market economy. And the fact that we are far more likely to come up with Solutions via unshackling. The economy and allowing people
to actually go out and innovate. If global warming, if you believe in your soul that it's the biggest risk to humanity. Wouldn't you rather leave the money in the entrepreneurs? Hands to go out and try and get richer than, you know, God by fixing it. That's that's my belief. Is to how it will ultimately be solved, is that someone will come up with carbon capture something or some new saltwater
into electricity. Something, some new technology that allows us to stop producing carbon and mess and then it'll be resolved. So the I just try and like, basically our I just take a efficacy argument where it's like the government isn't a fight. She's like, what has the government fucking done that? They promised you? What do they succeeded at anything? Can you tell me something? And then from there? I kind of work backwards.
Yeah. Well, and even now, with a lot of there things were they say, well, you know, if any organization gets trillions of dollars every year, they're going to do some good with it by definition. I mean, even if they lit it all on fire, it would increase the value of everyone else's money by leading to deflation and we warm our hands on it pigs. Exactly. So there's so there's always going to be something good. So it's not enough to say government did something good.
Catholic Church does good stuff. The Koch brothers do good things that give them the right to rule the rest of us. If you go to aging us, if you go that route though, then you have to get in the explaining opportunity costs. And I feel like from a lot of people that's just that's a little bit too. Nebulous data, that is rough. Unfortunately. It's great that we have, you know, embraced the most vitally important regulation. Check and balance, which is the freedom to disassociate with Bad
actors. So, we're constantly told well, you know, there's so many bad people out there that we need to state to really crack on things. Well, all of those criticisms apply tenfold to the state if you can opt out of associated with them. And then they want to give big Pharma more power than. I don't know. Anyone has ever had the ability to have the state and the media team up with you with, you know, professors to get people
injected with something. I mean that is literal 1984 and now they don't want us to be able to disassociate from those businesses because they want a monopoly on it.
They want all Airlines to do it. They want all, you know, international travel to be basically forced to be vacs only and it's like All I'm asking for is the capacity for Alternatives. So I don't have to do what you're demanding of me. If you don't give me an alternative if there isn't an industry option, that allows me to continue to do to live my life. You are coercing me. You are forcing me to either cooperate or defend myself and I'm at the point of defending
myself. I mean, that's really where I'm at with this thing because you cannot you cannot continue to treat me like a second-class citizen. I mean, they are overtly. We pushing for a part that I that's how I feel about it. Like they want to have two classes of civilization and they want it to be permanent and it's just astonishing to me that people aren't at their core disturbed by that. Even if you're horrified of covid and your your super pro-vaccine, how are you not
looking at this? And going? I've seen this before. I know what this is. I know where this goes. I know that I don't want this. It's amazing. Final quote that we will address here. If you want a better world for your children. Don't hold your breath for Global Democratic deliberation. What now? I chose this because it's one of the, you know, bolded quotes on the side. So they really want to catch
your eye, your eye with this. What do you see is the propaganda technique in that sentence if you want a better world for your children, don't hold your breath for Global Democratic deliberation. I mean, it seems to me that they are, I mean, that they're pretty clearly stating that they want a global government because if you don't want Democratic deliberation, you want to technocracy that presides above all of global government as an aggregate, right?
Is that not in my reading it properly? That's what, that's what I'm getting. But okay. White bias. So I like to delegate it for every now and then but of course invoking the children, of course and and believer. Should I do that? It's going to make it better for the children. Notice that on sense. Oh, yeah, that that that's a brilliant one. So it's going to be better. Obviously that let's move past that don't hold your breath for Democratic deliberation.
So yeah, they will throw democracy under the bus. This is the ultimate justification for the state. It's Democratic. It's not like, you know, selfish places like The mises Institute that's, you know, private and evil government were all in this together. We all vote. This is, this is who really represents us there. So, Quick to throw democracy out the window. When it's when it's the biggest hurdle for them. Any other big takeaways from the
article. I mean, other than the fact that they're kind of lifting the veil. I mean, that that is to me the biggest deal. And this is actually what happened. If you recall, that, that big, I think was a timepiece that came out after the election about fortifying the election. This, this feels the same way to me. It's a lifting of the veil. It's like everything that Alex Jones in the more Fringe people have.
Talking about for decades. They're getting more comfortable with being open about it. And I don't know why that is honestly because I mean, I think it's I think it's overconfidence. I hope it's overconfidence. I hope I'm not the overconfident one in our in our capacity to defend against these types of things, but it seems to me that the more technocratic dictator like people on Earth are feeling much more Brazen. They're much more willing to just we're just going to tell you how it is.
Yeah. You're you're R2 dumb and we're smart and you should listen to us. And that's that's now what we're doing instead of pretending that they are a representatives and that we vote them into power and that word the same but they're just there. The there are servants. It's like none of that like the fucking, the pedals are off the roads, like they're just telling
you how it is now. So we've come to the very sad moment where we have to understand their techniques and maybe a percentage of us should adopt them. If this is the game we have to play. Well, all Is making sure we have these sound arguments. Doesn't mean we always have to use them all the time. Like if like, if you had to do Hopscotch to get someone to take money or medicine to save their life because they weren't listening to the rationale. Well, sometimes you just got to
do that. So let's go through. We got a few minutes left for propaganda techniques and give me an idea of how you would use this same technique, but for our side, number one activate strong. Ian's, the status might do something like show you. This person's dying. They're on a ventilator. The look at all this death from covid. We therefore need mandates and Ubi and everything else. How can you use activating strong emotions to promote the self ownership and freaking principle.
I would probably play the same dirty game and show them, you know, the increase in, I mean, they probably wouldn't buy graphs. But if I could actually show them Some children that have killed themselves during lockdown. For instance, the the incredible increase in the rate of therapy for self-harm and suicidal thought amongst children over the past 18 months. If that if that's not enough to reach their heart.
They're probably just sociopaths or just seeing the footage of the cops in Australia. It's like so an excusable sometimes. Yeah. Number to simplify. I was going to go on but We're running short here number to simplify information and ideas,
successful. Propaganda tells simple stories that are familiar and trusted often using metaphors imaginary reputation repetition and short phrases to make them seem true and to substitute critical thinking how can Freedom Advocates simplify information and ideas. That's a really hard one because many of our ideas are complex. So I think that's why a tagline like, End. The Fed was so good, you know, three, three letter words, just
bang, bang, bang. So, yeah, that's I don't know that I could come up with one better on the fly. To be honest. You got anything Ron, Paul gave me a great one, when he was on my show. He said, if you can't do it, the government, can't do it. In other words. What are they Gods on Earth? I mean, it's just that. That's, that was just so nice. Nice and quick that it automatically gets you holding the state to the same principles.
You told the other people to I think the problem with that is that a lot of people struggle with believing that they that the people that rule over them are just as fallible. I think people really struggle with that. And I think that that's something that as I've become very financially successful and I've interacted with very powerful. Wealthy people, you realize, like, they're not actually better than us. I mean, they just, they just have a Bit different skill set.
They have a lot of, it's nepotism a lot of, its connections, and ties and it's politics and it's like, ultimately, you need to save yourself. I don't know. That's a quick one. Maybe we could use that. Yeah, that's a great one or even just I mean I get that it's a little bit of a switch to say. Well, how many of them saw the Afghanistan debacle happening?
This was one of the longest, you know, if you count CIA going into Vietnam in the 50s to help the French, of course, but I I mean, the longest war, one of the biggest, most vital things. None of them. Got right, virtually. None of them were right about it. And why doesn't that make you question the expert class a little bit. I mean, just throwing one of what one of those examples. Sure.
Number three respond to needs and values creating effective propaganda that appeals directly to the needs hopes and fears of specific groups makes it personal and relevant and which also makes people pay attention. And absorb information. Any ideas on how we can respond to the needs and values? I mean, I just try and reframe it so that people kind of re-evaluate what their principles are.
I think a lot of people have focused on safety over the past 18 months and I think ultimately at their core. Most Americans still do value freedom, but far, too many of them value security over Freedom. So I think I think getting people to reflect on how much they've sacrificed through these lockdowns and how much they've missed out on the fact that their There now, you know drug addicts because they couldn't go to their senior year of high
school and shit like that. Like try and get them to reflect on how much they've lost by allowing to give up their rights, allowing to give up their freedom and ask them if they want to retain that. Do you do you enjoy life more in 2021 than you did in 2012, you know, or whatever. And I think most people would say, yeah, this sucks and then argue from there. Yeah, and even it's not it's not even the freedom versus security, you know, cost-benefit
analysis. You can get security on the free market. You have alarm systems, you have medicines, you have preventive care, you have, you know, Zoom instead of going to a meeting. If you're really that scared, the security is so fake that even with all the measures, it's as though they've done nothing at all. It's not that they're not like thanks so much for letting us push this agenda through. I want to thank the For all the trillions there. Now on the hook for I really
thought this was going to work. I can't believe we still have covid cases. This was supposed to be 14 days. Of course, it's fake security. It leaves you less secure. Finally attack opponents. Attacking opponents creates an us-versus-them mentality, which suppresses the consideration of more complex information and ideas people are naturally attracted to conflict which can serve as a form of political.
Or fair to discredit people or groups Clint any ideas on how we can use the attacking opponents propaganda method in the Freedom Movement. Oh, man, you must not have seen the opener to my episode yesterday because I do it. I actually am pretty good at this. This is probably what I'm best at and I know that's not a good thing. It's probably a character flaw, but I because I'm good at it. I'll explain exactly what I do.
When I see an ally in particular, I go harder on them than Do a statist or an opponent, if they have a, if they have an idea that I find truly reprehensible. Like, in this case, I'm talking about the Libertarians that have ran cover for what I believe is fascism vaccine mandates. These, these people I have been tearing to shreds over the past 48 hours and it's not, I don't normally like to do this.
I don't normally like, to go after allies, but I feel like when you need to Galvanize a movement on an issue, And I don't think that I'm not sure that there has been a bigger issue in my life than what, than a vaccine mandates like. It is such a fucking big deal. And if Libertarians are going to, you know, get all pedantic and argue about philosophy. And well, what I mean? If it wasn't like this, wouldn't you believe that a business has a right to disassociate?
And it's like, dude, that's not what this is. So, get out of your fucking philosophy, textbooks and get get in reality. We are in the fight. There's no, there's no time to be arguing about. Lots of be right now, we need to fight against what's happening in front of us and it's like a lot of people struggle with that. So I very much use, you know, demonizing your opponent in that in that regard. I got a lot of people to go out and shame.
A lot of probably really good Libertarians otherwise and I did it knowingly because I believe this issue is so important that I have to get people to get in line and I know that sounds fucked up, but that's really how I felt about it. I totally We agree. Yeah, and you can even philosophize, just do it better and Rec. We didn't do it better than and recognize that these are co-conspirators to the regime. So it's not that well, Pfizer and modern are private and the airlines are private.
They get billions of dollars in bailouts, and then afterwards are saying the same thing. The state is that is a co-conspirator. That's like, you know, the ultimate well, I wasn't the one doing the crime. I'm The mob boss, I just give orders. They're really the ones doing it. Well, no, you are a co-conspirator in this organization that's leading to this ultimate end.
Sometimes they're even more influential, but you look at the US versus them tactics of Occupy Wall Street, 99% versus 1% George Bush. You're either with us or you're with the terrorists Nixon to get people off the gold standard. We're doing this to fight Wall Street. Laters and what we're only leaving the gold standard temporarily. I think we need to just embrace it. Look, there's two ways to achieve your ends in life. There's violence in
volunteerism. And anyone who engages in violence or sides with the people and becomes a co-conspirator, the media, the press the professor's universities Hollywood. Well, then you're evil and you're that is a true divided, not rich versus poor black versus white man versus woman. That's incredible that they've gotten the man. Men in black versus white divided. When there's a state. Any thoughts on that being the division? Or any final thoughts on propaganda.
No, I think voluntary is a violence is a good good dividing line, because this is why I treated our allies so poorly because they weren't behaving as allies. They run, they were behaving is useful idiots for fascistic interests, and it's like, look, you're probably a great person other ones, but you are fucking my shit up right now. And I can't have it. I got sorry to be profane. But like you cannot get this topic wrong.
And but what I mean by getting out of philosophy is like, of course, you should still apply our philosophy. That's what we do all the time. It's embedded in us, but you shouldn't be having arguments about things that aren't happening. Right now. That's what I'm saying. Like, if you want to argue of like, well, shouldn't a business, be allowed to turn someone away. Like, don't you, aren't you oppose the Civil Rights Act? Don't you think that businesses
should have a right to do that. It's like, well, my argument Makes them was what if in the in the same moment that these businesses were considering banning all minorities to go to their restaurants, the present United States, and a governor and a bunch of Governors and all of the news media came out simultaneously and they said, we want to encourage private businesses to make it so that no minorities can eat at restaurants in this country. Would you advocate for that?
Or would you see that is obvious fucked up collusion between government, which is basically circumventing the Constitution to implement Really unlimber T oriented policy making. And I think when you frame it like that, especially for the more woke Libertarians out there, they start to grasp it a little bit. Clint. You've got a lot of episodes of your excellent. Shell. It might seems like drinking out
of a fire hose. If someone just goes there and is searching through everything if they wanted a Solid introduction to liberty lockdown. What is an episode? They should start with? Man, I would say 106 107 my most recent ones. I think that those are probably the most passionate, actually 105 106, 105 and 106 our solo episode. So if you want to see the full fire of me, that'll be it.
And then episode 107. I had spiked Cohen on so that'll be a good for a into my more interview style shows episodes two, links to episodes, 105 106 and 107 will be in the the description below. Thanks to everyone for watching Keith Knight. Don't try to on anyone and the libertarian Institute Clint, brother. Thank you so much for your time. I'm a huge fan of Keith. Thank you for having me. If anybody wants to follow me, go to at Liberty like pot on Twitter.
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