Hello friends and welcome to another episode of the Liberty weekly podcast. This one is episode 1, 32 in the show notes may be found at Liberty weekly. Dotnet forward slash 132 and I'm joined today by an old friend of the show. It's getting the band back together. Mr. Keith Knight. How are you doing, buddy? I'm doing excellent. Patrick. Right? To have you back brother? Yeah. It's so good to see you man. And just you know, I guess it was with the Ruth Bader Ginsburg episode.
I jump back in the saddle because how could I sit on the sidelines during that? I mean sub all times. Yes, the the great legal mind. I was glad to see you commenting more than anyone else. Well, I appreciate that. And you've been busy, man. You haven't been sitting idle. What, why don't you tell the audience, just a little bit of what you been up to. I saw your on the, the libertarian Institute now, right? I am, yeah, so I will pretty much make sure to post that
stuff there. I have been just because YouTube is doing some censoring. I've been posting a lot of Library and bitch shoot exclusive. So please subscribe to my library Channel. I will send a Patrick the link to have that in the show notes, but I was not able to think of what I've been up to so I actually had to pull up my channel here. I had I've had a number of people on recently I'd say the best one recently was Michael humor.
I've been trying to have a conversation with him for two years finally sealed the deal on that. I thought we had a very productive discussion. Attempted to refute anarcho-communism contradiction in terms with Patrick Smith recently. So I've been trying to get out a video every three days or so. Well, I've been seeing that. I mean, you've had interviews with some big people, every three days.
That's a pretty good. I mean, at this point, I guess, what was keeping me back from interviewing big names aside from the scheduling was just being nervous, you know, but but you're like you're an old hat now, aren't you? I mean, you just got so much experience. I At an interview once and I'm not going to tell people what it is. They need to watch all my interviews to find out and determine it. But it was so bad that and is so embarrassing.
So cringy that I go. I could never be worse than that. So, I might as well give it a shot or, you know, I really just think of God. I wish I was. You know, if I was alive in the time of hazlitt and mises and rothbard and Frederic bastiat, I'd love to get a chance to speak with them. Let alone record an entire. Your communication session. So I mean, even though I do very poor every now and then it's still worth it to have access to some of the great minds ever.
Even if you do a terrible job. Hey, I still got to communicate with the best of the best. So it it's an easy pay off. Yeah. Yeah. Well, you know how much I think of you man, you're just out there kicking ass and taking names and it's really cool to watch from the sidelines. So but it's good to be back one of the comments you made. Been doing a lot of depositions lately at work because you know, my cases are going.
But I had one deposition where I prepped the witness for like 6 hours the day before and we got into the deposition and he started being deposed and everything. Just went out the window. I believe it was. And at that point in time, I was like, okay. Wow, that was a horrible experience, but it can't get any worse than that. So so yeah, it's kind of the The same. But yeah, and one of the reasons why I came back as because things are just so crazy.
That how could I not be? You know talking about have you done? Have you done any shows lately just talking about current events. I know in this in the show since the elections coming up we wanted to tackle voting, but I also wanted to talk just a little bit and get your take about what's going on, you know, and there's so many things to pick from. So The current events are just current for like two days,
right? The problem, by the time, I recorded get it up and bit, you done processing and it's all new stuff. It's, you know, it was the Trump didn't condemn, the proud boys. Then it was the milania tapes. Then it was Trump has covid like, within three days. It's just now, of course in the grand scheme of the state's mass murder, Mass theft and mass kidnapping all over the planet. Of course. It's nothing.
But it is interesting to see. How the media just goes from 0 to 60 and totally flips on the importance of different topics. It was crazy. So I watched the debate and we had talked about doing a debate recap, but it was like, you know, everyone's doing that. We're just going to just comment on it, maybe, but it was, it was like, you know, who was it? He was a mainstream media guy, who was at NBC, who did this thing, where they're like, it's an orange.
An orange is an orange, and we're going to say that. It's an orange. Yeah, CNN said this is an apple. Yeah. Yeah, people are going to tell you it's a banana but it's an apple. Well, I felt like after the debate when all the Talking Heads got on I saw what I saw with my own eyes and heard what I heard with my own ears, but it felt like they got on in to make
that same analogy. There were a bunch of banana sitting on the counter and they got on and they were just talking, you know, orange this in Orange that and it's orwellian. I mean, it's just I know that term is kind of cliche. Overused, but holy crap. Well, yeah, I mean, my favorite moment by far is Biden, goes, what we need is, we need testing number one, to number three, we need. And As Trump is talking, he
goes. And by the way, Chris, yet, by the way, you missed number two, in the middle of his own sentence. So, you just get those gems like that Nike. I gotta say, like, when When people are watching that, do you know you're watching something that involves? No, intellectual depth. I mean, like the average person. Like, if you watch a Soho forum debate and then watch that, I mean, can you really compare
those two? I mean, I don't know, Richard Epstein, and Michael humor had a debate or any time, you know, Corey DeAngelis debate. Someone on school choice to watch that. And then see. And then see this presidential debate. I mean aren't, isn't the ideal that these are the best of the best, we all get together for years and then put our best person forward and then they have this dual. It's like the weakest of the week is how sort of boating and
Democratic societies. End up pushing people to the top because that's who they have to appeal to. What do you going to talk about rent control? And, you know, Selective Service being code for slavery, right? Well in it had the effect of I know there were a lot Lot of people in my personal life, just kind of shaking their heads collectively, and I know Joe, Jorgenson's website crashed a few times the next day. Did you hear about that?
No, I saw that. There was a post of, you know, number of people who search the libertarian candidate is like this, until the debate night, and then it just shot up drastically. That that doesn't surprise me. I certainly hope people come across my interview with her because I felt Like that was I really tried to be productive in
our conversation. I thought you did a fine job, but gosh, when well when they mentioned something like it's the two-party duopoly and these are the people that created the mess. I don't feel like that gets to the heart of the issue, which is what I tried to avoid in my interview because I feel like well then why don't they just go to the green party and what's wrong with politics at all?
We just need to get more involved and give them more power to I represent us. So I hope that when people find her, they come across some of her good works. Yeah. Yeah, and that's maybe kind of the Joy about doing, what we do is that you can just call them up and things, are libertarian, personalities are relatively accessible, so you can call someone up. You have questions and you can just have a real conversation. That's really cool. So what do you think is going to
happen? I mean things change every single day was was Trump getting covid the October surprise. Do you? Or is there more? So I think October, surprise actually means people hold on to something until October. So I think the October surprise that they wanted was the milania tapes because they actually came out in October. But those were trending for like an hour and a half, because it was a few hours later. Trump got covid which made me wonder.
I wonder if he really has it or if he just wants to silence. Oh, and then before even the proud boys thing, There was my God. I just lost it before the pro, the Trump taxes, that was huge. They've been talking about that since 2016. Now, I don't know about, you know, income taxes versus how much he paid in corporate versus property taxes, but just to see how this sort of Silence,
everything else. I think it's a blessing for Trump. I think it's going to be a net benefit, for Trump. It's going to be. Yeah, this thing I told, You wasn't too bad and I'm and it's okay if people get it, well, I got it and I'm okay. It's going to be the, it's going to be the ability to see something that the statistics actually show, which I think is more than 99 percent survival rate. So people can't process not the 99% number, but when they see old man, Trump got it, he's okay.
Okay. Well, maybe we shouldn't have shut down the economy. Yeah. Yeah, and I It's crazy. I I don't I haven't even talked about it on the show, and I don't. A lot of people have said, a lot of things about it, but it's just I can't believe every day. I can't believe how long it's been and I can't believe how upset people are. I mean people are going nuts. There's you can't get a therapist in my area, you know. I had a therapist tell me it was like, you know, November of 2016.
She goes Keith. I have people coming and crying on my couch about the election, I go. Really, but dude that goes to show you how the media mind control. And this Trump derangement syndrome really can get you. So now that it's been four years and it hasn't been the terrible thing that, you know, they were warning us about turns out Trump's more or less. As evil as any other president. So they really focus on kids in
cages. Well, according to the Arizona Republic that started in the year 2014. We know this because the published picture was in 2014 and the article was published. So, it's not even like I have a feeling, it was happening. It was already occurring. So then they really have to harp on BLM. Yeah, turns out. According to Roland, fryer black, professor at Harvard blacks are not shot out of proportion to the amount of crime that they commit, just like men. Our killed more by the police.
They commit, most of the crime, you get, you know, examples like Kelly Thomas and Duncan lamp who get no air time, but you know, when it fits the narrative, they will have a black suspect get or a black victim, get a lot of attention which of course they deserve. But it should be distributed equally, I think when you see that nothing that they said came to fruition. It's amazing that they Able to
keep up the hysteria. So it was, you know, trans and blacks, and women are all going to, you know, go to hell within the next four years, then he called their Bluff and then one. So it's like, all right. Let's see what the next four years have and then it was nothing. I mean, I don't that Cavanaugh the Supreme Court didn't even vote on a abortion issue. So, yeah, it shows that the hysteria is just so, is so embedded and out of the hundreds of millions of TDS, have a Sophia was well.
Well, I guess I was wrong, right? Yeah, they don't really stop and think and kind of analyze their own actions. I mean, at least for me, so when and I haven't, yeah, I haven't talked about this on the show, but when covid first happened, I was, I was, you know, it was scary. Like, they were bringing in ships to New York City, to treat people.
And I had a young child at the time and I was startled, you know, I thought that, of course, they shouldn't mandate lockdowns and they shouldn't do anything like that, but maybe it Be a good idea to voluntarily do these things at the very beginning and I was thinking about it and then it was two weeks shut down to flatten the curve. And then it very, very quickly to me.
Of course. I always had my eye open for shenanigans because we you know, we expect that but it very quickly became very apparent to me that this was all a big ruse. Yeah, so it's a, it's always hard to determine if this was a planned demic or something like that. But I mean, all you have to do is know that they constantly capitalize off any situation. So even though this could be, the ultimate reason that we need no FDA. So, we have total competition. So, we have total investment.
We have more Innovation and medicine, because there might be a pandemic, we need an Innovative vibrant medical industry. You could easily make that argument just as much as you. Good. Well, we need the state to increase its power.
So get the fact that they're always able to pull people to the side of increasing Reliance on the state just shows you that whether you know, it is a planned emic or they just took advantage of it. I mean, look, all of the governors and all of the politicians and all the media pundits could not have been in on this. They just capitalized on it immediately. Yeah. So either now, granted it very possible. I mean, The event 201, extremely
bizarre, war game exercise. So to speak that the Gates Foundation had talking about a coronavirus. I get that all those things exist. But so long as we're able to think, clearly and see through it. Well, then they can't fake us out whether it's a real pandemic. Killing 100 percent of people or it's a nothing killing, you know, 0.1%. Yeah. Yeah, and I've stayed kind of, I mean, at the very least, yes, I
believe coronavirus is real. I don't, I don't know if anyone is saying I mean, there are people saying it doesn't exist at all. I'm sure but you know, I think it is real. I think it's a novel virus. I also think it was either manufactured or released at a certain time or at the very least, you know, I don't have definitive proof on this. I know, Corbett has done a lot of good work when this was happening about what was happening in Wuhan at the time. And a lot of it seemed like for
knowledge in a certain way. I'll put a link in the show notes page to that. But at the very least yeah, it was just it's been taking advantage of Of in. Well, yeah and South China university. Did a study and it more or less said that the closest horseshoe bat colony to the wet Market is like 800 kilometers, but where the virus was released was extremely close to a Wuhan lab where this very thing was being studied.
So whether it's intentional or accidental, you know, even if it Accidental. I don't know. I know that accidents can happen when there's, you know, little accountability and coercive funding, so maybe it was that maybe it was intentional. Certainly bio, weapons are not above the state. I mean, Tuskegee experiment, Unit 731. This is you know, one of their go Twos for the the elites. I have no clue.
But yeah, certainly the morons who just take that off the table while I do. I'm Neil deGrasse Tyson of that, this could never happen and Matt, Dillahunty the weakest Skeptics on the planet. So you had mentioned the milania tapes a little bit earlier and I don't know what that is. It. Was that a scandal? That was kind of might be covered up by Trump having Corona, and that's the funny thing. So let me read off to you one of the milania tapes.
It's so this is a private conversation between her and a friend from July of 2018. That's why I thought it was an October surprise, because if it had happened, you know, September 29th, it would Been the fact that they sat on this for a year and a half much like they sat on Trump's, you know, conversation with bush about grabbing women and the other one. And, you know, they also tried it with with Trump's taxes, but I can't imagine that that really lost him. Any votes.
Give me a second or I just want to pull these up because there are a number of quotes your she more or less. Was talking about oh, it's such, it's so annoying.
Having to decorate the White House during Christmas time and people are mentioning, you know, these kids in cages like who give who gives an F, you know, they didn't care about it when Obama was President. So the clip is kids in cages who gives an f and it looks really bad, but the reality is is she is expressing her hatred for the double standard. Not that she likes. Seeing kids in cages, you know, I think she came from a poor immigrant background as well.
But when I searched milania tapes, I can't find any quotes. That's how that's how polluted Twitter as with Trump. Haven't covid. So whatever. Yeah, people will find it. Yeah. Well, I just didn't know what it was even at all, what the, what the Scandal was. So, well, as we get closer here to election day, and I don't know if you wanted to touch, Chon, what do you think about this mail-in voting stuff? I mean, are we are we going into a situation?
That might get violent? Perhaps, do you think? Well, there's been violence for the last three months based on a BLM, false narrative. So yeah, I'm sure that an actual vote that exists willed would likely cause of violence, or people to resist the outcome of the election. Wouldn't wouldn't surprise me. At all as far as male and goes. My whole thing is, if you're at the pole and you vote it, drastically increases the likelihood that it's accurate as
opposed to when it's mailed. And now when it's being mailed, that gives rise to hundreds of different factors that previously didn't exist when you were at the pole itself. So the the number of, you know, things that could go wrong just strikes me as you know, it. They could be fraudulent. They could be destroyed a lot, could go missing and the ilhan. Omar thing that came out, certainly was damning in her
defense. She got 78 percent of the vote in Minnesota, but that does not address a number of things. For example, this is a pattern of Minnesota, Al Franken, according to US news.com., Al Franken may have won his senate seat through voter fraud. This was back in the year 2010 that they were talking about voter fraud in, Minnesota. MIT did a study voting by mail increases the use and reliability of male based voting options. The executive summary says more or less 3.9.
Sorry, 3.9 million ballots, can go missing and MIT. Study says, 3.9 million absentee ballots requested. We're never mailed to the voter. So look, it increases the number of variables. It's much less likely. You're going to get an accurate outcome States illegitimate anyways, but I think this is just a funny thing that the one mechanism you have, for its legitimate because we vote. And then it's like totally not counted accurately. Right? It's more sad than anything
else. But yeah, yeah, it is in. I was thinking in preparation for this show to kind of talk about the religion of voting, how it's kind of a religious ceremony. E. In the past, so, it seems interesting that at this point in time. We're really having a lot of Doubt surrounding the legitimacy of Elections. My thought is, are we entering an age when it's just the nature of everything with technology. It sheds doubt on the process.
How we're getting a reliable? Legitimate election, went in the past. Maybe we never had legitimate elections, that were accurate in untampered and now we just know about it because technology is So pervasive, I've always wondered that like when the votes were counted, what if the news just reported the opposite of what happened? I mean, how it's not like people would be saying, let me go back and do the voting. It's like you're working 10-hour
days in the 1800s. I mean, what is the, what are the checks and balances? So it does once you realize how little Accuracy, there can be in finding the truth regarding, you know, something like boating. It just opens your mind up to. Oh my God, this could be really bad.
Yeah. Well in, if democracy only, I say democracy Loosely the Democratic process, the idea of people voting, if it makes you think about how unstable of the system, it is how stable unstable the system of government it is. If all we have to do is shed doubt on its legitimacy and accuracy the Thing blows up. I mean, what is going to happen if the election happens? And you just get two sides, who think that their candidate won or is condemning the results of the election.
I'm thinking just cold total chaos and panic. We've seen this play out in Iraq and Afghanistan, as they're trying to establish new governments and people are getting attacked on the way to the polls. How are people like the, you know, the pashtun. For example, I don't know if they ever actually. We participated in the elections, but how are they supposed to have legitimacy in it?
I don't understand. Yeah, I mean, I think it's going to go to a Supreme Court decision just because everything can be contested and contested and contested until it hits the Supreme Court and then they make the final decision. But even then what if the masses don't accept it and, you know, by that I pretty much only mean the the left is, I can't even see the right having even if they you know thought Trump was
justly elected. Up to see them, Stand Down to the state with regard to the Brianna Taylor thing. I think the conservative right is just under such a hypnotic trance about the justification for when the state is acting out of it's morally, Justified role. I don't see them resisting at all. Yeah, that's that's a very makes me think a little bit. I, I don't know at the same time. I do think that, well, it all depends on whether or not the right thinks that it's
legitimate. And I think that if they think it's illegitimate and Biden won by an underhanded, you know, with all this voter fraud or whatever. I don't think. So. I don't think they would just go into the night, maybe that I don't think. Does that go against what you're saying? Yeah. Yeah, but I mean it's hard to predict people's behavior. Right? When the state has them under
mind control. Yeah, I mean literally riots over George Floyd. No one knows who Kelly Thomas is. I mean, no one knows who Tony, tempeh is the guy who was killed under similar circumstances. The Kelly Thomas murder was also on tape and it was way worse. Yeah, and he's crying out for his mother and the cops went to
trial and got off. Yeah. So this is this is way Worse than anything that might potentially occur with George Floyd and then Duncan limp and Brianna Taylor. So when you literally see that the media exist to issue opinions to the masses that the Prussian education system has designed them not to see through. It's like, I don't know what's going to happen. It's really difficult while I'm with Kelly Thomas. Have you ever seen that courtroom picture? This is a wonderful exhibit.
Used by the his attorneys that were Resenting him that poster board that had in red. Please stop like 37 times counting. The number of times. He said these things like I'm sorry 40 times its and what was the other? The one, where the man was shot in the hotel. He was in the hotel. Daniel Schaefer. That was actually by Mark Victor, who is a great attorney for freedom. In, in Arizona. He's done some excellent work.
With helping clients, I don't think he won the Steven Anderson, the Steven Anderson trial, but he was up against u.s. Border patrol. So that's a, that's pretty difficult. But yeah, they just told Andersen get out of your car. We smell drugs even though they don't they did the same thing to me when I went to California. That's I wasn't even going to a different country. They had us. Get out had the dog, you know, go around, they did the same thing to my dad coming back from Mexico.
So yet this is just weird. Teen tyranny that the state engages in thankful for guys like Victor and you in the law field. Yeah. I've our firm has done some of that work actually but um, so Kind of lost my train of thought here. But so as we're going into the election, I wanted to ask you, what you think about you mentioned the Prussian education system, but that kind of plays into when Europe transitioned from monarchies kind of around World War one and into this
democratic system. This modern era of And it kind of gets on and it touches on. Why is it necessary for the populist to view the government as themselves? Because as we read in An Enemy of the State, I think it's really enlightening that it's very important for the modern State apparatus to have. It citizens think that the government is them. I love how anatomy of the state's one of those. That's it's just like a Biblical verse. It was anatomy of the state
1:31. It's just so great to reference. So often that in it constantly fits. I think it's important. That primarily people see the state as a unique institution in so far, as it is an extension of themselves and exist in nature almost too. Preserve order. Because when people are angry at it, they are quite literally angry at an idea. It's hard to hold the politicians accountable. It's hard to hold the police accountable. Well, they're just following orders.
Well, the politicians were voted in. Well, the voters only get to vote once every four years. So, you end up in this sort of limbo of no accountability at all. The reality is, the people who follow the orders, and the people who issued them are totally responsible 100% for their actions. See Seeing the state. As an extension of you drastically decreases. The likelihood. You will criticize. It's because much like you see your own child in, you know, the best light ever.
Oh, they could do no wrong. My child would never lie. You sort of think that about your own government because any criticism of that government people will assume as a criticism of them. You think we faked the moon landing? You're five years older than me. What do you mean? We, you were not around in 69. Nor were you a part? NASA. And that's not an actual conversation.
I had that was me actually watching two guys debate recently or they'll say you think you think we torture you think we lie about invading countries the fact that they see them and the people who rule them as the same is so incredible that you need something like democracy pushed through the education system because I mean they would never do that with any of their able to say. Say, here are the people who participated and here are the
non-participants. They're the ones who are guilty of whatever this is, but when it's the state, they take it personally, you think we were involved in a b and c we would never do that. You're not part of them. So yeah, the the ability to blur line between the individual and the state I think is vital to people justifying State atrocities and totally ignoring them and having no incentive to call them out and recognize them as illegitimate. Yeah, and it gives that illusion.
General consent at that. I mean, rothbard touches on that. But but it's on its face. It's just a ridiculous idea. And there's the famous example, he uses that if we are the state and the state is us than 7 million Jews, didn't die in the Holocaust. They weren't murdered. They just committed suicide.
Exactly. And right away, you're able to see but unfortunately, you have to talk about other countries and then the other country people know about and that example is Lie, like, you know, National Socialist, Germany or something like that. So it's unfortunate. We have limited examples, but when it talks start talking about King, Leopold people aren't exactly on the same page with you. But yeah, exactly.
And the national socialist government was elected, whereas, you know, the Allied Powers Churchill was appointed, Stalin, wasn't elected and FDR ran four times when he was only supposed to run to. Yeah. So I mean, it's not exactly. Once you start pointing that stuff out. People will recognize. Well, voting has nothing to do with the legitimacy. It's the actual actions that they undertake so that again,
very important aspect. Well, and I have an article here and I know that you have a lot of quotes to that we're going to touch on, but let me try and pull this up. Okay. So on the screen now, I you can't see it. Sorry Keith, but it's an article on The mises Institute called why vote?
And it's published by Mark. Brantley are he was the author and it kind of goes through and it smashes some of these common misconceptions that people have when it comes to voting and It just strikes me as how when you present the numbers like this like he does in this article. It really destroys any thought that your vote matters and so he starts in my recent how to win an election. I made the point that quote, your vote doesn't matter given some of the responses to the
statement. I would like to provide further explanation. Consider what it means to say your vote, doesn't matter, your vote does matter if it affects the outcome of the election. In question, how this could happen depends on the number of votes tallied? If there is an even number of Voters in a life in an election, your vote only matters. If it creates a tie in your candidate, goes on, to win the election.
If, if you didn't vote, your candidate would have lost by one vote in such a case, because of your vote, your candidates odds of winning increase from 50% to rough, or from 0% to. Roughly 50%. On the other hand, if there are an odd number of votes, voters, your vote matters, if it breaks the tie that would have occurred without your vote. In such a case, your candidates odds of winning increase from about 50% to 100%. Now, here's the kicker.
The chance of either one of these occurrences depends on the number of Voters in the election among other issues. Adding this all up the odds of your vote making a difference are approximately 1 over n, where n is the number of Voters in the election. Adding to this estimate, in an election, with 100 million voters, the chance of a single vote affecting, the outcome of the election would be about one
millionth of one percent. And then he gets into the Electoral College and there's a bunch more statistics here. But any anything that jumps out to you Keith? Yeah, you know, I would love to rub this in the face of the Michael shermer's of the world and the Neil deGrasse Tyson's when they say be real, let's use common sense here.
Let's Do Science and then we actually have a scientific approach that the author gives the Journal of the American Medical Association confirms Donald Rel demur and Robert Torres. Re-examined. The traffic-related deaths during polling hours on election days compared to the number of Deaths on the two Tuesday's before and after the election, in the last 30 days, they found
that the election day average. What of 158 deaths to be eighteen percent higher than the average death rate on the other days. You are more likely to die going to the polls. And then you see the ilhan Omar videos of the ballot harvesting. And it's like, oh gosh. Well, even if I nail it in and I saved myself from going to the polls. Well, who knows? What's Happening Here? So yeah, painting that picture really brings it to reality so under like no other
circumstance. Would this be legitimate to quote Jason Brennan in one of the greatest books that I've read in Philosophy, by the way, we have an anarchist Professor published by Princeton University. This guy is terrific. He says the problem with political decisions isn't that most of us don't get our own way. It's also that these decisions are usually imposed on us against our will by threats of violence. As we practice, it is unjust.
We expose innocent people to high degrees of risk because we put their fate in the hands of ignorant. Misinformed irrational bias, and sometimes a moral decision makers. So when you see that, not a, not only does it count for your vote count, for very little, it also is a one-in-a-million vote amongst people who are totally wrong, totally immoral, and have no justification for their beliefs. So it's so Discouraging, when you see people see that as the mechanism, which achieves a
Justified government. Well, in its wrapped up to in this, I remember, and I've made a point on the podcast so many times to make the point that America is not a democracy. And at what point, it's around, the Progressive Era that people start referring to America as that of the United States as a democratic country. And we have these Democratic institutions when it's not. I mean, if it were a democracy would It'd be one man. One vote on each policy,
correct? Yeah, that would well, you know democracy is rule by the people I think is like the origin so that could be determined in. Well, that could be through a representative determined by the people or directly determined by them. It's difficult. But yeah, as far as the main principles and democracy is mass involvement with the average, Joe not necessarily a good thing. I don't look at my computer fan, router microphone cell phone and say God I wish.
Had been a vote on how to make this. It's like thank God. Only, the best Minds were involved in this. It was voluntarily funded and I can opt out and there's competition and private property. That's how we get, good results. Not not voting. Yeah, on, I'm nonsense and introducing what? We need more ignorant, people, who've done no research on this topic to be involved heavily. That's the worst thing you can do in vote by emotion in. I saw it as in terms of like democracy.
In democracy versus republicanism where I understand republicanism to be a limited government based on a constitutional system where you vote for Representatives or representatives are appointed. And so, I see it as existing on a spectrum where maybe on this side is democracy, and on the right side is republicanism. And I feel do you feel once? We got rid of the direct election of senators, or, or how did that happen? Now, it was when it was the Appointment of senators, right? Original.
And then we went to a direct election of senators, wasn't it? Yeah. I hope. That's right. And then, but so we've just crept more and more in the direction of democracy, and then they start using this. And then democracy becomes a euphemism for everything that's all in good in the world. And I love challenging people's democracy. This belief in democracy that they say, without thinking about it democracy. Is everything good in the world
and I Always say well, okay. So two wolves in the Sheep are going to vote over. What's for dinner. I think is the best way that I can put it in. That doesn't a lot of people haven't heard of that before or heard that, but yeah, Jeffrey Epstein and Glenn. Maxwell vote on what to do with Virginia Roberts. I mean, it's so unjust when you look at it under any other circumstance, turns out Walmart took a vote and now you have to work for them indefinitely, but in four years, you'll get a one
in 100 million. Chance at getting out of this labor, by the way, Walmart counts, the votes. I mean, it's so ridiculous on its face. That would just have to take whatever they say for the state applied to any other organization that I go, what that's ridiculous. So, yeah, it's good. That we have truth on our side. I do like this part of the article where he says, he or he addresses. If you don't vote, you can't complain. What they really mean to give them a more favorable.
Explanation of what their emotions are trying to get out through languages. If you do, not participate, when you have the ability to participate to participate and effect change and you actively choose not to do so, you have no morally Justified recognition or legitimacy in criticizing the outcome that you chose to not participate in. How do you respond to that? Well, I like the way that George Carlin responded to it and this is I think this is the same
point. I wonder if he got it from Judge Garland or where that that sentiment originated but I George Carlin is, right? Is that if you did vote you can't complain. Because either you voted for the person that brings about this policy or you voted in an election and therefore passively legitimised it by participating in it and have the outcome. And what do you I'll propose this question to you. Are you a Libertarian that thinks that voting is violence? Or are you against voting on
principle? That it violates the nap or that I just want your take on that voting is not violence. If it were violence, I'd be morally justified in shooting, someone in the head as they go to vote. I agree. So so I am not morally justified in doing that. What it does is it introduces a an amount of legitimacy to the existence of the state of system? Now, this is also done all the time. You know, whenever my grandma says Keith, if the cops ever pull you over you have to do
exactly what they tell you. It's the law I go. That is where her making that comment in front of 10. People is worse than voting because it perpetuates the idea of State legitimacy in the minds of the masses as does saying, the Pledge as to sing the national anthem as just tuning into the debates, that get 80 million people watching the night of. What if no one watched, what if they throw a A government and no one came and they threw an
election and no one came. Well, yeah, eventually that those are all things that add to the state's legitimacy. Voting is not violence, but it, but it is like oh that's what you participate and kind of kind of thing. No, it doesn't violate the non-aggression principle. Is it counterproductive? Look, I'm glad Thomas Massie and Rand Paul are are in Washington, d.c., I'm glad Ron Paul Ron, Paul was there as well. I'm glad Louis team McFadden. Larry McDonald had been there previously.
So yeah, we we are able to get some wins but it's just not that one of my bigger priorities, because as we mentioned, vote matters, very little, and it's in a pile of other votes that cancel you out to the tune of millions from a bunch of other ignorant people. So one thought that I wanted you to riff off of throw it your way. Is that? So one will, I don't want to put you on the spot, but are you going to vote in this election? Because I'm undecided personally.
II don't know. No, I'm not. And that's because well, I don't want to get into it while we're recording. Yeah, no. No, I'm not able to I probably wouldn't be able to but yes, okay, and sorry to put you on the spot, but that's fine. I have no problem. No problem saying that and I don't know if I'm going to or not, but some some common things that I've heard is okay. Well, yes, they're both bad. But one is not as bad as the other. What's your thought on that? Yeah, you know, I really don't
pin people for that. I mean sometimes. Yeah, sometimes you're just buying time. It's like, all right, would you rather tyranny be here intent? You. No, Malice. Has conservatism is progressivism driving the speed limit, you know, I'd rather have 100 Years of freedom and then slavery versus, you know, immediate slavery because at
least you had a glorious. Holiday as Hans Hapa likes to say and even though you know the reality is that when you have a Republican president, you don't have Democrats saying we need to stop spending. So spending increases more what they really want. Is the left or the opposition to not control the narrative. The president said this people aren't really worried about what Hilary has to say now because she didn't win because Trump did win.
Well, he gets the center of attention for the next 4 or Years. And that is sort of what they're voting for. I think they love how Trump sort of hates their enemies and says, to the media. The media isn't going to report. Keith Knight said that he hates Chris Cuomo. This is a breaking story. But they are going to say Trump said this about Cuomo and it's
like, yeah, that's my guy. That's what I've been wanting to say to Cuomo, and Don Lemon, and all these SOB's who just constantly lie about us. And when you're getting called racist non-stop by the media, just for being wider, sex is forbidden. Being male or let's say you are seen as even as a moocher by Fox News. Because you're in undocumented. You're an illegal immigrant. Well, I could see you wanting something to counteract that. So I don't blame people for voting for the lesser of two
weevils at all. What about if you vote for the Third Party candidate? And this case, Joe Jorgensen, you're taking a vote away from Trump in a lot of cases. That's what I've heard. Well, Trump, Deserve any bolt. So the mass murder campaign, that he supports and Yemen. He is not that alone, but we don't even need to get into the drug war that that he perpetuates. And look, man. This is a another case. For lesser of two weevils. He had the first step act.
I think it's called or Criminal Justice Reform. He had some good deregulation. I still I still hate him. I think he's totally evil in his justification, but he does. It's odd. Thing where he calls out the military industrial complex, every now and then by name literally. So he's tough to crack, but I don't blame people for voting for him. I don't blame people for saying 100 years from now. I want the future to know that there were libertarian. So I'm throwing a chip in for Jorgensen.
Don't blame for that either. Yeah, I like your take and it's I'm glad I got to talk to you about it too because in a way, I'm I haven't solidified. My thoughts on this but I you make really good points. As usual. But so the other thing is that I'm not necessarily, I think that like, okay. So if you're going to vote, if you have to vote, it's probably better to vote in your local elections, because instead of it being won over 100 million.
It's maybe one over 400. So do you like those odds better? I mean still abysmal odds, but yeah, I love going to the meetings and talking. People. Yeah, just because the fact that they're that we exist increases, the likelihood that people will see our ideas as legitimate when you hear something the first time it's like, oh that's a weird bizarre thing. But the second third, fourth and fifth time you're like, okay, this might actually be something that.
I mean, a lot of people believe this, that's what's Loosely referred to as the social proof principle. That Robert Shield. He needs a psychologist. I think he's a psychologist from Arizona State really made popular. That people will drastically. Think that something is more valuable, when more people like it, which, I mean, that's sort of how I choose to buy things.
I didn't eat too much. I didn't, I don't even, I can't even pronounce the name of this printer right here, but I got it and it works fine because other people had it and it seemed to be good. Yeah. So yeah, I think of just going there and asking libertarian questions being Apologetic. I'm a Libertarian. Here's why I'm against the state. You know, everyone's going to raise their eyebrows at you.
But the fact that anyone knows what a Libertarian is when, you know, there were 15 and caps in 1963 as I constantly mentioned, but it's so important to remember how far we've come. Yeah. I love doing that. I had Bill Montgomery. Who is the former Attorney General of Arizona and I got into a nice little fight with him in a Mitty on, on the drug war and that was fun.
One of one of our friends, who I don't know if he wants me to say this, but he got into a fight with Bill Montgomery, over civil asset forfeiture and he chose nice Montgomery goes, well. Oh God, what I'm glad it wasn't on tape because he wouldn't have done this if it wasn't on tape. Montgomery was like well, I'm civil asset forfeiture of that b, that's that's the law, you know, and and our friend goes, okay.
So you mr. Conservative bible thumper, you think rights come from government and not God our creator. It was the first time this arrogant prick, pause and goes. Well, it's important to find a balance between our natural rights, and what we, as a society decide to do. I mean, it was the perfect mind control MKUltra response that he gave. But if it's fun to just inject those into the populace and get to talk to people and see where they're at intellectually.
Yeah. It kind of well, it does kind of remind me of there was that interview that Bernie Sanders had, where there's a lot of these interviews and I can't think of exactly who was interviewing him. But he didn't helpful. It might have been he pinned them in. He pinned him in that intellectual Corner. We're like what gives the police officer the right to do something that I can't do. I don't know if it was that the question. Do you recall so Health Bill? Am I getting yeah.
Jan, hell felt the objectivist. He was like, should the government. Protect people who want to forcefully? Take their property and Bernie saw. I think he saw, what was going on like right away. He goes. I want to know who you work for. Well, you're welcome. I don't know what your angle is here. It's like, you know what? This is one of the amazing things where they're like, democracy is about, you know, you working together and then building up until you get to
your representative. And then you persuade him, you say, we're I threatened you and throw you out and then he has to vote the way you do or is incentivized to do so, it's it really is a red pilling moment. When you're like, alright, I am with a congressperson. This is the, you know, almost as high as it gets and he has no interest in answering your question at all. Zero could not care.
Less Dodges, the question stands up leaves the room and then you could see off camera, when he thinks they're not recording. He goes. I want to know who you work for again and again, And now that it's been 20 years. He still does the you this is by the Koch brothers. He still has no principled argument for any of his ideas. It's always, I associate them with this group. I attack this group, just by attacking them. Not even, he doesn't even give us a list of why we should hate
the cokes or anything else. So yeah, that that is the interview and that that's what one of the great ones along with is Nancy. Pelosi interview on the minimum wage. Yeah. Oh, yeah, we'll have to put if I when I'm going through I'll make work for myself, but I'll And find that and put it in the show notes page, but that's like the moment in with the MPC meme where the eyebrows go down, eyebrows Furrow, see. Walk them into that, logical corner. And then, yeah, the eyebrows go down.
So I know that you had some, some things that we were going to take a look at Keith as well that go on voting. Any other thoughts. Before we dive into that. I just want to get into a couple more, Jason Brennan points there. Now, people know this, but it's hard to process. So I just want to touch on page 25 of against democracy by Jason Brandon. He says, I could write an entire book, just documenting how
little, how little voters know. But since many There's have already done that, all only offer a few examples during election years. Most citizens cannot identify any Congressional candidate in their District citizens. Generally don't know which party controls Congress immediately. Before the 2004 presidential election, almost 70% of US citizens were unaware that Congress had added a prescription drug benefit. To Medicare though.
This was a giant increase to the federal budget and the largest new entitlement program since President Johnson began the war on poverty. No one virtually. No one knew about the troubled asset relief package. They had heard of bailouts, but they didn't know about it. They didn't read the bill, which is the whole, which is the whole idea. Well, you read the bill and then you criticize it and then your Congressman has to change his mind. None of that actually happens.
Americans, vastly overestimate how much money is spent on foreign aid, and so many of them mistakenly believe we can significantly reduce the budget by cutting foreign aid, 73% of Americans. Do not Understand what the Cold War was about 40 percent of Americans, do not know whom the United States fought in World War Two. Now, that means, they could probably name the national socialists in Germany, but not Imperial, Japan, and their access with Benito. Mussolini.
Let alone could they give a reason, let alone, could they give how we can avoid this issue in the future? So it's just so it's so ridiculous. He get he goes on to say. What voting does is it helps them root for their team against the hated Rivals? This is really where the emotion of boating, really comes from going on to say, some think democracy is valuable. The way a painting is, we should value it for what it expresses
or symbolizes. So once we've defeated the, you have a one in 125 million in the presidential election, assuming they count the votes. Well, what it does, is it symbolizes? We should think of democracy the way it Person values a hammer as an end in and of itself. He goes into that but we need to realize is voting for something doesn't improve. Its overall quality, just as there should have been people voting on how to write this
book. No, it's much better that it was a voluntary monarchy or anarcho-capitalist approach to writing a book. And then he goes, oh, he ends with this one politics, threatens an ideal of mutual respect and regard. So, just as if there was State religion, would constantly be fighting over, who controls the state. So your religion isn't imposed on anyone. We're always going to be fighting. I don't see it dying down.
I think it's only going to escalate or more or less Plateau from where it is now because you're always involved in initiating aggression against peaceful people with your ideas versus theirs. So we can't put down our swords just like we do for Religious Freedom when it comes to economic freedom. And any other aspect of Yeah, well, I think we accomplished what we set out to do with this episode. So we've never covered this before. I don't think on our part.
I'm trying to think back to everything. II don't think so, either. So, do you have any comments on Brennan's against democracy? I just got two other things that I want to read because I don't want to just bash a voting and then leave people. I got somewhat of a solution here. Oh good. Okay. Well, I was going to share this one thought that I at a certain point in time with the show.
I came across. I convinced myself that it would be better aside from voting to call your representative in to tell their office not to do. So I think it's probably a little more effective than just voting. But when it looked like we were on the brink of war with Iran and there were tomahawk missiles being launched.
I called up my Representatives, my representatives in quotes because Tom Woods has a great piece about what is it the tail of the slave but Tom Woods. Also had a good one about the impossibility of political the myth of political representation, like for instance. I'm a lawyer when someone Hires me, I have to do what they say.
Yeah, and you know as long as that the representation period happens, but if you vote for someone and you're in there, your representative, you know, do they really represent you? If you have no control over what they do and why do we have the double standard? Why does true representation exists all the time in the legal field? If there's a fiduciary duty or doctors have duties to their So, why does that just go out the window? And is it the tail of the slave? We're in which cases?
I guess that's in which case is this person not a slave but there's a similar one where I don't know if he goes through it in that one. Is that nowzik? Yes. Oh no, Zach wrote the tail and in Anarchy State and Utopia. I'm not sure. I know that Woods has batch this a number of times in his book meltdown where he uses the example of Diane.
An Feinstein, he starts a New York Times article got I think you know, 10,000 calls on. Tarp the bailouts and 97% I think was the number of people who outright opposed it and she voted for it and she still there to this day. Yeah, I mean the idea that oh she's shaking in her boots. That's just not the reality which doesn't mean it's inherently illegitimate because in you know, the non political Realm It's sometimes good that you can't affect what other
people do, the difference. Obviously, as we know is it's with money and property. You voluntarily acquired so that the big deal no longer exists. It's your stuff. Yeah, and why I thought that when I called maybe her staffers and I've heard this from people before who have worked in Congressional offices, state, senators and whatnot. But they say, well, for every person that calls we figured there's two or three hundred people that feel the same way.
That didn't call or something like that. So, of course, it doesn't affect the end result. And I think a few weeks later. I got a letter from my representatives and it said, well, I certainly something about. I certainly understand the that individuals are concerned with with foreign relations. However, Iran is the number one state sponsor of Terror. And, you know, so I was like, all right. Yeah. Sounds great.
Exactly gets it. So they have to simultaneously say you matter, you should be involved and all this other stuff. But the reality is is that they don't have the information on. I don't know, Healthcare education, the environment technology, the documents of what's going on in Iran. Saudi Arabia, Russia, China, you don't know this. And that's okay that you don't know. That's why the division of labor
is so valuable. In a society where there's private property free trade and the ability to discriminate and not associate with people who are behaving poorly. So it gives them an incentive. Look Marco, Rubio would probably be a good productive member of society. If there wasn't this thing, he could occupy and have people can't think straight but Bodom in and abide by him.
So, of course, he first thing that comes out Trump gets covid ago, and he any of our adversaries who see this as Weakness. Well, we will not back down just because our president is you no ill. The amazing thing is they've so gas-lit us with regard to everything else. If there was a legitimate attack against America for blowback causes, we would have no way of determining whether or not it was true, anything.
The cia's involved in. I mean, come on, killing Bin Laden and throwing his body in the ocean. I mean, Scott Hortons been on my show. He says, that he has seen More Hirsch, as an accurate Source on that. But that is the exact thing you would expect them to do and you know, provide no evidence for they finally catch us guy. We've been after for 20 years, even though CNN and ABC were able to get ahold of him, poor CIA couldn't get a hold of them and then they finally kill them
and throw them in the. It's so it's so ridiculous. So yeah, you know what? I am actually going to stop there. I say, we make a second. On Solutions. Oh, good. Yeah. Yeah. And that gives us a reason to do another show and maybe a week or so, sounds good. Yeah. All right, happy to see you again, brother. Yeah, you too, man, and why don't you go through and plug all the sources. I know I've linked to your show, lots in the past, but just go ahead.
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I get notifications all the time. My video why they hate us was restricted. One of the most appropriate things I've ever put up online restricted. So, yes, please please check that out. Pat. Good to talk to you again brother. Yeah, you too in before we go my wife and I I'd be remiss if I didn't plug this but my wife and I started a show together. It's been very enjoyable to do that with her. It is unhallowed. It's at unhallowed podcast.com.
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