Welcome to Keith's night. Don't tread on anyone in the libertarian Institute. Joining me is Kyle anzalone. The news editor of the libertarian Institute and the assistant editor of anti-war.com were going to be discussing the book enough already time to end the war on terrorism, a collection of historical events, going back to 1953 with US military intervention. The book was written by Scott Horton and the audio book has just come out. Out links will be in the description below.
Kyle anzalone. Thank you for coming onto a review. This book with me. Yeah, no problem. Very happy to be on and to talk about this book that, of course, maybe, you know, obviously it's got horns book and everything like that. But this book, you know, means like a lot to me because I've been, you know, Skywarn listener for so long, you know, to this guy Horton Show. And now I work with Scott both at The Institute and anti-war.com and so, Seeing
Scott put together. This book is just amazing because it's so concise in. I mean, it's not everything that gets discussed on the sky horror show. He didn't put the china-russia stuff in there and under 300 pages are whatever. This is. I guess it's just that 300 pages, but it's such a fantastic book. And so I'm really happy to be on talking with you today about it because I think it does make a lot of these wars. And what I talk about my show,
And you know what? We were constantly working on anti war.com accessible to a lot more people if they read this book. So I want to give you total free reign on the big six US military interventions since 9/11 since this explicit start of the war on terror. What is the most important thing? People need to know about US military intervention in
Afghanistan? Yeah. So I guess the first thing I just want to take a second to say, is that At the first, what, like 50 pages of this book are sky explaining like the lead-up to Afghanistan. And these are all things that happened from before when I was born. And so it's different to learn about because it's just like a history. But to me, you know, I mean Buzz, absolutely fantastic.
And there's so much important stuff in there that really will like a so if anything doesn't sound super familiar, something like go back and read that because Scott has so many important details of Happened in there. But just starting off with Afghanistan, which of course, is, you know, the first and the global war on terror and
everything like that. I think the most important thing that Scott writes about, and of course, he has the whole, but pools are, and that's behind me and everything. But allowing Osama Bin Laden, or, you know, maybe we have to like qualify that a little bit. But Osama Bin Laden was able to escape Afghanistan to Pakistan one.
The Americans knew where he was and there were calls And Scott highlights this and explains all the calls and efforts made by different US military commanders and things like that to actually take out the core group of al-Qaeda. That was attempting to escape from Afghanistan to Pakistan, and they were unable to do so, because the Americans were far more concerned about fighting the Taliban than they were about. Absolutely, you know, killing Osama Bin Laden. And so it's just, it's such a
perfect example. Essentially what happens throughout the entire war on terror. They constantly don't get distracted with the big prize. You know, that the Taliban are no threat to the United States and Iran is no threat to the United States. And yeah, you know, we highlight and focus our war efforts on, you know, these people Saddam Hussein, another example of
that. And, you know, at the expense of allowing the actual few people in the world who really want to like do damage to America like the Osama Bin Laden's out there. To escape and run rampant and so, yeah, I just to me. That's that's the biggest thing because when I was growing up as a kid Keith, I remember all this b-roll footage. We would see on TV every night on the news of these Rockets slamming, into these mountainsides in Afghanistan.
And then it's playing in how we're doing everything we can to bring the man who perpetrated 9/11 to Justice and it just wasn't true. The entire were on, were on their war on terror narrative wasn't true, everything they told. Wasn't true, they could have gotten Osama. Bin Laden.
Had, they dedicated all their resources to gain, Osama Bin Laden. And then the other part of that course, is the Taliban were willing to hand over Osama Bin Laden to any Third Country. If they didn't even have to fight a war in Afghanistan, to hold the man who, you know, was most responsible, for 911 accountable. Right? Like we could have just had the Taliban turn. A over Osama Bin Laden to what
any Third Country? So what you're going to give him to the UAE or Qatar where there's major US military bases and they're gonna not give them to the United States. Come on. We, you know, what were they say? A third country. That could even be a NATO member State. Give them to the UK. Allow them for the u.s. To like present or extradition evidence in court. Just like they're doing now with Julian Assange.
And, of course, you know, that's a whole fictitious case, but, you know, we can extradite people and do from UK to the us all the time, you know, there, there are legal ways to handle this, kind of stuff that I actually had a conversation with their Breaky who's really great and everything from Yahoo recently. And it's even forgotten on Libertarians. They go.
How do we do with terrorism, you know, if you commit a crime, if you kill Americans, there's an American justice system to handle that and it all could have been handled that way, but George Bush wanted Wars and he created worse for it. And briefly explain the motives of Osama bin Laden and Ayman. Al-zawahri Heroes group Al-Qaeda. What was their motive for attacking Americans from 93 to what 2001? Yeah. So there's a lot of attacks in here.
And in part of this time, Osama Bin Laden's in Sudan, he's not even in, you know, Afghanistan or anything like that. They carry out attacks on the USS Cole. In in Yemen and in bombings of different embassies in Kenya and Saudi Arabia and elsewhere, but you know the motivation here, what Osama Bin Laden, you know, whether or not this guy believes what he's right, like he's the leader.
So if he is just like some more politician who just sees this as an opportunity to recruit people to his followers, are he actually believes are two different things, right, but it doesn't really matter. The point is this is the Message that Osama Bin Laden, conveyed to give people to kill themselves in order to do damage to the American Empire or
actually kill Americans, right? And that was that the US after the Iraq War, they stayed in the holy land and the land of the whole to holy places Mecca, Medina, Saudi Arabia and continue to bomb Afghanistan or Iraq, excuse me from there, but not only after, you know, through the 1990s and the Clinton presidency. Then see, not only where we bombing Iraq and destroying the country's infrastructure. We also had a starvation sanctions campaign against that
country. And so, while the 500,000 number, that's so frequently, cited is inflated. There were hundreds of thousands like two to three hundred thousand Iraqi children who end up dead in the 1990s because of what America did to that country. And then they were, you know, bombing from Saudi Arabia, which is just, you know, a adding insult to injury when that
happens. And so, these kind of things start to radicalize people and start to, you know, want them to wage a war against America. Also the occupation in the u.s. Support for Israel of the Palestinian people, is a major factor here. I think there's one more, grievance. He has that. I'm missing. Oh, the bombing of Sudan, they
bombed that. He was some kind of Medicine facility in Sudan, and, you know, that ends up depriving people mess and killing a whole bunch of people, but just, you know, how General us imperialism, worked around the world where the Muslims got screwed, you know, if you go back at, there's some great people who point out that.
Like, if you go bad to the after World War 1 World War Two, America was actually like seen as the the by people in the Middle East. As like defeating the occupiers are like surviving like, you know, What happened to Europe and everything like that, you know, we have freed ourselves from European Cole, you know, colonialism, right? And so, actually, the is not like, Muslims, just hate Americans are America or anything like that.
It's been, you know, the sustained campaigns in the Middle East, I guess stretching bag from Yonder, overthrow of the Iranian government and installing the Shah. And then everything, they happened to Ron after two, but just, you know, u.s. Mentally in the middle. You said has allowed Osama Bin Laden to drive so many people to us causing. You know, it made sense as we've
seen since, right? It's, you know, it's not like we've been involved in the Middle East, Keith for the past, what 30 years or so. And the number of terrorist groups has dwindled. It's absolutely exploded. And so, what does that tell you? American intervention causes terrorism. And so yeah, it during the like ask God's planes in the first chapter of his book is like 50
pages, but he didn't. Plain, all the little things that America is doing to kill Muslims, you know throughout the Middle East and how this eventually, you know allows Osama Bin Laden to gather enough of a following to you know, pull off a very lucky shot and do carry out 911. What is the most important information? People need to know about US. Military intervention in Iraq? Oh, man, I mean there's so much here. And, of course, for me, the biggest part, of course, is the
lies. They told us to guess into that war because I believe tomorrow, you know, I was terrified as a kid 9/11 happened and they said that, you know, you don't know what's going to be Ned. So it's going to be a Super Bowl or a football game or, you know, people that this was stupid but like I grew up in st. Louis in, like, I was in like, what fourth or fifth grade and kids in my class were like, they're going to blow up the st. Louis Arch. And so like, you know, I was terrified.
And then George Bush was saying things. Like, you know, we can't allow the The Smoking Gun to be a mushroom cloud and Osama, Bin Laden, and Saddam Hussein were going to team up to set off a nuclear bomb are dirty bomb in the United States. And so, you know, for me, that's really like the most important thing is just to bunking, all those lies that, you know, there was never a Cadet connection between Saddam Hussein and Osama Bin, Laden Bin Laden. The only thing they were able to turn up.
It is evidence that they knew was false that they tortured out of people but you know, I guess looking back at one of the things that doesn't get a lot of attention. Keep that I did want to take a second to highlight on that. I think is extremely important is the prison camps that the United States ran in Iraq and the you know, effects that that
had down the line, right? And so these places like Camp Bucca and the more popularly known Abu You know, the picture of the guy standing there and like, kind of with his arms spread out as a hood, over his head, in like a smock, like kind of a dress looking thing. Like, it's all raggedy and dirty and stuff. The pictures of the, you know, the men piled on top of each other. That is what the US did to our Rocky.
Sunni men after they, you know, moved in and took over the country and then we're you know somehow confused as to why you know, these are the people that way. When you know, they end up getting released from the prison because, you know, the the US can prove they're guilty of any
crimes. A lot of them were innocent when they ended up in there, but they end up as American hating radicals after and all join up, the Islamic State and create all the globe at that, you know, and we'll talk about Syria a little bit, so we could get into that, you know, the blow bad thing, but just how essentially all these American prisons throughout the Middle East and everything are Jihadi like
universities. You know, networking facility is right, like you get everybody together, you abuse the hell out of them, and they all start to hate the Americans that are abusing them together. And then they all, you know, become radical violent are, not all of them. But some of them become radical violent terrorist, it's not, it's, you know, not hard. That these are predictable consequences, you know, Isis leader, I'll bed, Daddy was in Camp Bucca at least maybe Abu ghraib as well.
The suicide bomber that killed a hundred. Some people are at least You know, South the suicide bombing leading to event that killed over 100 people at the Abbey gate in Kabul. This past August was somebody who was, you know, and I guess involved in terrorism in India and then somehow the US and the CIA arrest him, and bring them to Afghanistan and shrug. We don't know how he got involved with the Isis K Group in Afghanistan, but I'm guessing
it was him being in that prison. So when he got out, he went and carried out, this suicide bombing that killed 13 Americans, right? Like these things are like obvious. That's like if you just round up people and throw them all in camps together and you know, maybe there are actually some radicals and there is going to like exacerbate the terrorist problem.
And so yeah these torture prisons and camps that they ran a rock where are just huge problems that are continuing so we have the fake justification of 9/11 being a A reason to go into Iraq. We know this because project for a New American Century as early as 1998, had written a letter to Bill Clinton about the need for regime change that. Basically this guy. He's got nukes.
He's got these chemical weapons. He's never going to give them up. We have to have sanctions and there we the sanctions we have aren't working. So I think we have to move to the next step. We have the fake Iraqi intelligence meeting with Mohammed. Atta in Prague that that Still never happened just like the Paul manafort. Julian Assange meeting that they are just so Brazen in these lies that they thought they could get away with with those.
And then there was I think it was Nigerian, uranium that George Bush said, we know we have an intelligence assets that have confirmed Saddam is getting yellow cake, uranium from Niger and then E.o. Wilson writes in the New York Times to their credit, what I didn't find in Africa and he refutes the whole thing. What is the likelihood that you know, you would have caught that random Anonymous piece of information that someone would have heard it, thought it was
about them. Got it published in the New York Times. I mean the things that they must get away with our are just incredible. What were some other lies besides pray. Nigerian uranium, was there a specific wmd lie? Or was it just hinted around? I remember that. Like, one of the things that I remember from, as being a kid that time was aluminum tubes, because I knew what aluminum was like, yellowcake, uranium. What was that?
Right? But aluminum to is, I remember they always just talk about all these aluminum tubes and they made it sound like so scary. Like he was going to put some crazy chemicals in these aluminum tubes. You use them to kill America and how those aluminum tubes would ever have gone from Iraq, to the United States, was like things that I like had no ability to like question at the time because I was so young. But yeah, but that line terrified me and of course there was nothing to it.
The chemical weapons one was another one that was big right at Saddam is working on chemical weapons to Dom is working on
chemical weapons. I want to bring this up because and I want to say 2012 or 2013. I was listening to Rush Limbaugh and he goes and we just had a report that they found chemical weapons in Iraq. I was right all along and so I went home and I looked it up and you'll what it turned out that that story actually debunked what Rush Limbaugh like the whole chemical weapons narrative because what they were saying is that the chemical weapons that existed in Iraq were held in
stored by the UN Saddam. They didn't have access to him, never use them or anything. He gave up those chemical weapons. The only reason they were still in a rock is for people who know things about chemical weapons, like, once they sit around for a while. They could be really difficult to use, especially if like, I move, especially at the containers, there in are becoming maybe questionably, like stable are no seal worthy. I've no idea what the word would be.
But anyway, there's a lot of you like reasons that you wouldn't want to move. Weapons. I've been saying in a warehouse for years and years and years. And so rather than doing that you just leave them in place until they eventually over time become, you know, less potent are lose, their poems. He entirely, and things like, and that's what they were going to do. And so, yeah, you have like ten years after the war Rush Limbaugh going. How I was, right?
All along when, actually, that story was debunking the, the chemical weapons. And so it's it's just amazing. How many lies they told and how Many lives. They will continue to tell even if those lines. Absolutely, you know, our stories about them being wrong, but you know, they'll stretch the truth and make it up. Most important information about the Syrian conflict. Oh man. This is, this is a hard one
because I like Syria is one. These words were Iraq and Afghanistan again, you know, I was a kid forward, this one. There are so many things that have driven me crazy about this war, but I guess the like the Kurdish issue. Versus the mythical moderates. And this is who the u.s. Is backing in Syria. And so, Scott has a lot of great information on the timber Sycamore program in the book and
how the US was backing. The, you know, quote-unquote mythical moderates, are the moderates, what they called, the free Syrian Army, which was really just, you know, maybe there were a couple people who weren't extremists, but, you know, they were joining up, our had their weapons taken from them by Al Qaeda and Iraq that have moved over to Syria the group, led by al-jilani, who was the followers out here, e, right. That, you know, these are these are hardcore jihadists that the u.s.
Was backing in Syria. And even in 2012, then Director of National Intelligence, Michael Flynn signed off on a memo that said that this program ran the risk of crane and Islamic caliphate and Syria and Western Iraq, and that's of course exactly what Happen. And so, you know, the u.s. Carries out this, massive multi-billion dollar program years and years and years until 2017 when Trump finally shuts it off. Of course.
This is run by the the ogre, John Brennan, who spent the first few years of his time, you know, he was involved in the bush torture program ends up. Being I call them Obama's ogre because he kept them in a, the basement running, the Drone program picking drone targets for the first few years in the
administration. It then becomes CIA director runs this Timber Sycamore program, Army and backe on these jihadists in Syria will talk about Libya later by law these jobs in the weapons that the jihadist got it. Come from Libya. A lot of them are veterans of the Iraq War, who fought against the United States killed Americans in the Iraq War, right?
You know, these are the people that the United States is now arming and Becky and Syria all because, you know, the slogan Assad must go. So, of course, you know, this blows up into the Islamic State. And now we have another idea. We're guys start arming a back into Syrian Kurds. And so, you know, especially where I'm like, I think 2014 and 2015 2016. There's a lot of stories about how the Pentagon bad Kurds are fighting against the CIA betcha hottest in these crazy, crazy kind of things.
And so then it got so bad. There's these this area in Northern Syria kind of along the border with turkey like, you know, 20 or 30 miles into Syria. And there's two towns ones. Al-bab in the other one is manbij and I can't remember exactly what side controlled which. But the US army rangers and special forces were driving their Humvees with big American flag. So they put, you know, giant poles with Jain American flags, on the back and went dry between these two towns were on one
side. There's American CIA Bachelor house, on the other side, Pentagon bat, Syrian Kurds, which Not everybody likes to pretend like the Syrian Kurds are like the, I don't know westerners of the Middle East. It's just not true. You know, I mean, they had their own problems carry out war crimes there in the you know right now because scripting fifteen-year-old girls to go
fight the Islamic State form. So yeah, you know, these people are in like Democrats or anything like that, right, but, you know, weird having to drive American forces between the Sioux two sides. And apparently those like, you know, Humvees were coming under Fire. ER, and everything like that because the American bad sides in Syria, hated each other so much.
And, you know, this isn't I guess like the most important part of the whole Syrian War, we could talk about the chemical weapons attack ads and the false floods there and Trump bombing asada, the opcw and the American influence, but just I guess as far as the Syrian War goes the part that I just can't help. But talk about is how the Americans have no. Sensible policy whatsoever. If it's a rock, we bet the Shia
militias. If it's Syria, we bombed the, she Emily. Militias, even though the Shia militias were fighting the Islamic State on both sides of the Iraq and Syria border, which the Islamic State erased. And so, it made no sense. We're back in the cards, but they're fighting the the sunnis that were also backing. We're back in the cards, but our NATO Ally turkey is bombing them. The whole thing is absolutely. Insane. It makes absolutely no sense.
And it's all like was initially started on the policy that we have to remove Assad from Power because he's some kind of bad guy. But really, you know, Obama Obama revealed the truth, in his interview with Jeffrey Goldberg ways, heads about taking the run down a peg, right? Like it was never really about Assad.
It was about removing a Ron's Ally in Syria, which happened to be Assad, but the results of this world look, My insides back against was against the wall and Isis was advancing on Damascus where they were going to carry out a genocide against the alawites and the ethnic minorities of Syria.
Yeah, the the syrians called on the side on the Iranians and the Iranians organized Shia, militias and help to you know, along with the Russians turned back at the events of the Islamic State in Syria. And so, you know what, resulted that have a rod has far more Power and influence in the Middle East, particularly Iraq, and Syria than they ever had
before. Because these were the people that turned out the Islam and state, you know, is kind of, I'm sure be like World War Two, Germany narrative, where in the United States, we defeated the Nazis, but everybody, you know else in the world knows the truth that like the Soviets did like the bulk of the work, right? You know, we're going to pretend like it was us that you know, it was the Americans that feed the Islamic State but really it was Assad. In Iran and Russia.
Is it was soleimani someone who were played an important factor in fighting against the Islamic State? Yeah, absolutely. And as we're like, I think it's all money was popular in Iran previously, but became largely popular in the Middle East and, you know, on the second anniversary of his assassination, just a couple
weeks ago. There were attacks against American forces in Syria, Iraq, the houthis stole a UAE Boat it off the coast of Yemen because you know, soleimani was such an important figure in resisting, the what the Americans are trying to do in the Middle East, including the you know, leading to the rise of Isis and feeling like that.
You know Isis was the lesser of two evils versus Assad and at times, you know, even if Isis was crossing open desert, if they were moving towards Assad's positions, we had the opportunity of gamma we didn't because we want it, you know, I Isis to do more damage to side and all that. And so yes, old Monty was very important in organizing the resistance the resistance to Isis, you know, particularly on the ground from the Shia militias.
And so if you're an alawite a drew shiah that lives in the Middle East, I'm sure you feel somewhat grateful to soleimani because had the other side won this war, you would be dead or to place displays from your home. Like, you know why? I like I've talked to Operations forces who are on the ground in Syria, the things that they told me that Isis did to people who are refused to convert. I mean, you know, we see some of the videos that they showed
online and all that. They're absolutely horrific. But some of the things they did to people who refuse just to convert, right? Like, you know, you're you're the wrong kind of Muslim for the Islamic State and so, you know, you're gonna die. This is kind of the situation, right? And so the fat that soleimani and the Iranians turned them back is absolutely huge. I will mention that it on the Iraqi side.
It wasn't just soleimani. There's another guy all Mohandas who was also assassinated along with soleimani and his death is also very significant for the, the Shia militias in Iraq. One more thing on the on the cruelty of the Islamic State. And I think this ties into the stud things, I was saying with the prisons and that the u.s. Was Ryan and Iraq earlier, one of the things that the Islamic State. Really did, is they replicated? What the United States?
Did people, you know, dressing them in orange jumpsuits, putting them in stress positions. And I don't know about waterboarding, but different things that the Americans did to torture. People in Guantanamo Bay and blad sites around the world. The Islamic State did that to their Western captives, you know, while they held territory. So like, you know, James Foley
and all those people. You don't suffered that way in part because of what did Cheney and George Bush did to other innocent Muslims. And any, any other information you have on, either of the very flimsy evidence based chemical attacks, but one under Biden and 100 Trump. If I remember correctly, one under applied it to our trunk. I'm sorry. So I think the first. Yeah. Yeah. So the first 1, 2013 Eastern ghouta, there is a chemical. I see Aaron chemicals, weapons attack, they kills.
I think between like sits under and 1500 people, depending on whose numbers you're reading initially. This is blamed on the Syrian government later. There is a really good report by fyodor, postal who works at MIT a literal rocket scientist who goes and shows that because of where this rocket landed, we know that it could have, you know, fired from xrange, stats range, right? You could look at a rock. Okay, and you can see that like
it could only fly so far. And so then you could draw like a circle and say like, well, it was fired from inside this range and it turns out all that rage range was territory held by the Syrian opposition. And so it's very clear that Assad did not carry out that attack.
Now, that Ted did have important consequences because, you know, even though we know that Theodore postal did bunted, it table took a long time to happen and It's not accepted in the mainstream media, really, you know, why me, if you're on CNN, you could say aside, carried out, chemical weapons attacks in Eastern ghouta. And in nobody's gonna question it, right? But so Obama had drawn a red wine, whatever the hell that means on chemical weapons saying that. Well for side uses chemical
weapons. I'm going to do something about it. And so this happened and everybody was saying Obama, you got to do something because Assad used chemical at even though that wasn't true, Obama was being in a reality that it was true. And so Putin helped, negotiate a deal with Assad to take and destroy all of Syria's chemical weapons. And, you know, will Porter the co-host of my show a great dude.
Like one of my best friends will Porter has done an excellent job, you know, reading all the opcw reports, including the ones in, Arabic contacting the opcw and then sensually ensuring that the opcw You was comfortable that there were no chemical weapons in Syria. And that there were a couple sites where I get the guess they left a few things but it was more a result of it. Just because conflict was going on. You know, I mean, you don't want to move, chemical, weapons, through Damascus.
If there's a possibility that like a mortar could hit the truck, right? And so these kind of, I guess, where some of the decisions going on, in fact, that Trump, bombed, one of the sites that the opcw has Had said that, you know, they have fully cleared or something like that.
But anyways, you know as Ray McGovern always says, Putin essentially pulled Obama's chestnuts out of the fire here, because Obama was in a position where he essentially have put him on his back against the wall, saying that he would go to war with Assad, but nobody wanted to do that in the United States. And so by Putin orchestrating, the stealing got the chemical weapons out of Syria. Now, then, this Nets. On Khan shaykhun is in 2017.
And there was a little like concrete building and conscious a coup in Syria that was hit with a Syrian air strike that the Russians notified the Americans of before the air strike was carried out Syria says, and I think it's the case that it was a conventional weapon that they use and the strike hit a meeting of al-Qaeda leadership. What happened? And afterwards is underneath they. So one of the ways that I'll kind of, when they have territory.
They control the population is they control all the vital resources and in a war zone, you know, that that's not just food its food. It's medicine, its Cleaning Supply. So bleach. No ammonia is fertilizer in some of his phosphorus base. Its weapons explosives and all that. So when the strike hits the building, apparently all that.
In the basement and there's good reporting by Seymour Hersh on this at the London review of buds, and they look at the places where the alleged Rockets hit versus, you know, where this building was and you know, the wind direction and everything
like that. And it's pretty clear that what happened here was that people did die, from whatever substances were released from that, burning building, but at the same time that isn't like they They dropped a serum bomb on contrary Coon or I think even intentionally did this again. The Americans were notified of the strike. And then the third, major one was Duma in 2019. This is an area outside of Damascus. Initially its reported that it was fair and there's no evidence
at all anywhere. Any soil samples anything that's Aaron was used in douma at all. No, proof of that. Now they allege that was a chlorine attack. Act. And that's because in a war zone, you know, there's bleach right? It different places, your disinfecting things in different places. So they find bleach or chlorine in the soil. It's not clear that the the soil samples that were taken that there was any kind of weaponized, chlorine all say they find, our are traces of
chlorine. So again, it could have been bleach or any kind of household cleaner in some soil. They also have a couple canisters that they say, you know, one land. It on a bed, one landed in a building and they have a whole bunch of dead bodies.
Right. But none of the actual evidence and are mate who writes that the greys on a grey Zone and on his own subset because done the absolute best work on this explaining how basically, what happens is that there's a lot of bombing going on in douma, because this is an area helped by the Syrian opposition and snipers. And, you know, Other militants are carrying out mortar strikes into the rest of downtown Damascus from Duma. So, you know, the Syrian government is trying to retake
this territory. It's held by a Saudi batch group. That's a salafist group. It's not Isis, maybe but you know, they're certainly very, very far-right, conservative islamist, right? And and, you know, they're fighting against the Syrian government and they're carrying out heavy bombing. And so it's very Very dusty and people start showing up to the hospital, not being able to breathe really. Well. Some guy comes out and starts yelling gasps gasps, gasps gasps gasps.
And so, everybody just goes into mode and in starts treating it like you would guess because you just dump water on people. It's like, you know, low-cost like I did thing and that pretty much is where the the whole story stems from. And so, you know, it's a little bit different where 2013 was a natural false flag. 2017 is a distorted.
Then this one is just a invented story, you know, the best evidence they have is the CNN lady, sniffing the backpack on it, smells like bleach to me. Which is absolutely nothing, you know, like, here's some chemical weapons. Please put your face into it and sniff it and that's what the CNN lady does. Yeah, so all the chemical weapons attacks were Fates are tied. I actually carried out by a side. Are you familiar with the current national security
advisor? Jake Sullivan, sending an email to the Clinton campaign about a q. Can you explain that email briefly just to finish off this area? Just going we're probably going back to like 2012 here, one solvent, sends this email and I think we get it from maybe the week. He leads her, maybe the Leopold releases. But you know, this is from Hillary Clinton's emails and one of her advisers is the current national security advisor, Jake Sullivan, and he says a queue is on our side.
In this one boss, referring to the Syrian war and if that afterwards, Hillary Clinton gives an interview where she talks about the fact that you know, it's really hard. To back aside and Syria because you know, Al Qaeda is fighting against Assad and do we want to take out kinda side in this fight. And you know, that is what the Americans were doing in Syria. But yeah, even the Hillary Clinton emails absolutely show. That's the case. Again. You have the Clinton emails.
You have Flynn's Dia memo. And also once he become Secretary of State after Clinton, John Kerry is on a couple of recorder calls where he's talking about how the United States. Why did Syria with weapons and alls? It did as healthy as long as the state and jeez, I forgot the other one. I was got mentioned but basically carry was just oh he was talking about how the United States thought that they could control Isis and lead to the chaotic collapse of the Syrian government. Next.
We have the Libyan conflict. What is the most important aspects of the US? Military intervention in Libya? Bia that people should know about. Yeah, so I guess it started off with they lied us into this war to very important Point. There's a couple of ways this happened. The first is that they claimed that Gaddafi was essentially going to carry out a genocide in eastern Libya that after. So the Arab Spring happens in
neighboring. Tunisia Uprising also happens in Libya and a big part of the uprising in Libya is militants called, the Libyan Islamic. Fighting group. I believe a LIF G. Okay. Great. Great, great. Who I almost missed it up with Tigre. The tig right people's Liberation Front. So anyways, yeah. So yeah, the the in these are basically the al-Qaeda guys in Libya and some of them veterans from Iraq war to who fought against the Americans there and
everything, right? And so they take some control of a couple cities, including Benghazi and everything like that. So Gaddafi puts, His army together and they they go off and they start, you know, taking bath the territory from the, the, the jihadist. And so I think the Americans were saying things like Gaddafi was going to go in and kill every man, woman and child, which he took that territory and that didn't happen now.
Well, I mean, he's a, he's a little, an African dictator and it's War, like, you know, people die, it's not, I'm not trying to like make excuses for Or anything like that, but at the same time, it's not like the Americans would say like we committed genocide in Fallujah any of the times that we, you know, cleared that place a militants. And so, I think there's a lot of room between what the Americans
say happen. Why actually happened, which was Gaddafi take it back, civilians died, of course, but they also claim things like the Americans were are the the Gaddafi was giving his army by Agra so they can rape more in you. No, it's the old, you know, level of babies on Bandits level of like stupid evil War propaganda that they were carrying out. There's plenty of reason to believe that you know, the war didn't need to happen.
Yeah. Gaddafi would take him back and do from Benghazi from the militants. I'm sure civilians would died in that, but I mean, a Libya has been nightmare after and predictably. So a couple things from, I guess, you know, before the US starts bombing, you know, the There's debate around it in the United States. One of the reasons people are saying don't do it, please for the love of God don't do it is that you know, Libya's kind of a fictitious country.
It's a massive State on the Mediterranean but stretches well into, you know, that the desert there and the aquifers are in the South and it takes a kind of careful balancing maneuver to make Libya one somewhat stable country in there. There's a big divide between the East and the west and this is We been proven in the ten years since Gaddafi has been removed from Power, because there's still several governments.
You can't even say to there's several different, you know, governments and power factions and everything like that. Including you know, one of the people that was supposed to run for president in the Libyan elections that were supposed to be last month and got canceled. Was this man sieep. I'll Islam. Who is the son of moammar gadhafi in was I think likely to be this assessment?
Should Gaddafi have remained in power but he was even willing to essentially depose his father and essentially just take over the throne his father's throne in Tripoli and allow, you know that to be the situation and to just move on from Gaddafi and everything like that. And on, unfortunately that the u.s. Decided that it was better to bomb Gaddafi out of power. Then to actually, you know, try
to allow Libya to have its own. Position you don't Libya was supposed to be a very big win for the Obama Hearts. Hillary Clinton a Marie Slaughter and I think Michele Flournoy was on that one say I'm power all these people really want this war. Now, of course, it turned into the absolute humanitarian catastrophe, that was predictable. And we also have information here from Hillary Clinton's emails.
This from Sidney Blumenthal to Hillary Clinton explaining that there was going to Likely be genocides against the black population of Libya, you know, it's a it's a split contrary. There's a lot of Arabs there, the Liz, Libyan, Islamic fighting group. Obviously, that's that's Islam at. Those are Arabs. And so there's a village or a town called tárrega in Libya,
30,000 people. It's made up of tour rags and ethnic minority that Gaddafi imported into Libya to, you know, migrant work and working his security forces and Everything like that no longer exists the own, they're all either dead or chased off to Molly were another war broke out because of this war which you probably won't have time to talk about today buzz, you know, very significant. But anyways, yeah, so there is, I guess really no no state in Libya without moammar gadhafi, right?
And that that's absolutely been proven true. And, you know, we are warning about genocide in that actually not I like full genocide of the Libyan population, but of some targeted ethnic minorities and love. Yeah, they were absolutely completely removed from the country because the US intervention. So yeah. Well, I don't know if you guys think else on Libya, you want to ask.
No. I just wanted people to know that the the Viagra story was actually mentioned by Wolf Blitzer on CN. N-- I mean the the fake news that they're so terrified. Alex Jones might be Telling people someday in the future that could rile up. Someone crazy. They explicitly go forward with just unapologetically. No one gets fired. No one gets their accounts removed. It's, it's just so so Brazen. And, and in your face when you come back to you want, let's just stay on that real quick.
So, you know what? As predictable, you know, the humanitarian consequences in Libya were absolutely. Awful, but one of the things that happened was slave markets and you know, chattel slavery, like selling people at markets to go do forced labor, you know in Libya and it's just absolutely crazy. Right, you know, all these people again, who weren't a false news and the rise of trump and everything like that. It was their fake news that led to the rise of slave markets and Libya.
And, you know, this is like the greatest wet dream of any clams. Women that it, you know, could possibly exist it. If Trump really was the Grand Wizard and he could reinstall the selling of black people in a country, but it was Obama and CNM that did it right like that. The disconnect there between know what actually happens and what they claimed are worried about is absolutely unbelievable. They create almost all the crisis.
They're constantly worried about and just to talk on this point a little bit more. So, you've had, I don't know if it's actually a million, but hundreds of thousands of people died in the past 10 years attempting to cross from Libya into Europe. Right? And so, you have the Democrats in the United States who are constantly crying about immigration, and how cruel the Republicans are because they won't let people in and in all
this, right? And yet, they just let hundreds of thousands of people drowned in the Mediterranean Sea. Because of their own war in Libya and that is so like, you know, I don't know if anybody was actually predicting that, there would be slave markets in Libya after Obama's War there. But people were predicting that there will be a major Refugee crisis and as a Ramsey, brood points out. He's a writer and weary. Praise working anti-war.com.
He has one of the best articles I've read in 2021 was Ramses and he points out that Afghans drowning. And throughout the entire Obama administration. Trying to cross from Libya into Europe. None of them. Care number. Oh, the poor Afghans. We have to say third, nothing. You don't. Why? Because they were fleeing from the Taliban and so are not for excuse me. They were fleeing from the American war not from the Taliban.
And so if they end up in the west, there's no political benefit for the war mongers to have them there. But if you have Afghans who are fleeing the Taliban, well, then, you know, those are people who if there's a new government in Afghanistan. If they could go back to their home and so us intervention, you know, this is the small sliver of Afghans, who the the US intervention benefits, are the ones that we want in the United States. That way, they could be a community that advocates for
war. But the actual refugees who spent 20 years fleeing America's Wars have died all over the world. They drowned in the English Channel. They drowned in the Mediterranean Sea, they drowned off the coast of Morocco, trying to make it into Spain. And nobody has said that goddamn word about them. M. Because of they made it into the West. They wouldn't have a, the political message that the
warmongers want. And it just it really pisses me off most important information about the US military intervention in Yemen. So this is, this is one of the words I'm most passionate about keeping, you know, has because of sky and, you know, listening to his show that I knew how bad Yemen was going to be before. Not as bad as it is now. And so now know it's hard for me to pick like a most important
thing. But Scott really highlights and always homes in, on the fat that so what you happened in Yemen, like go back to 2011. You had Ali Abdullah Saleh who have been the ruler of Yemen since 1990. It has major protest, rise up against him during the Arab Spring assassination attempt. He has to leave the country. Tree to get medical care. So he's effectively deposed the u.s. Organizes a one-man election.
Hillary could put together a one man of Legend called it an election and put Solace number 2.
Hotty into power. Now, Yemen's a very complicated country and I don't think how do you ever like had a whole lot of actual Authority in Yemen, as far as like where his political faction is from and all that but You know, he does get into year mandate and basically takes that two-year mandate and goes and picks a fight with his group of the north called the houthis, the houthis, you know, feel more than capable of taking on the less powerful hottie central government and actually win the
war and take over the capital city. It's not they didn't start the war the, the central government did, but they wanted, they also after Sala recovered from his assassination attempt in return. Ernst examine, he joins up with the houthis and so, you know, Yemen's not the United States, right? When Joe Biden became president on January twentieth, twenty twenty twenty one that the
military is instantly. He's the commander-in-chief, right, you know the floor done, it division doesn't go off with Trump. Well, you know that happens in Yemen. Were a good chunk of The Army Goes. Awry Lee's to Salah side because you know, they don't care about Hillary Clinton's one man election like, you know, Solace there. Leader. And so yeah, the the houthis take over the country. And what does the United States do? Right after the houthis, take
over? They start working with the houthis to Target aqap in Yemen. In, this is reported in the Wall Street Journal and I believe the New York Times and in both cases is very clear and there's an article in foreign policy about Lloyd Austin, the current Secretary of Defense, who was absolutely and we'll talk about this. This like so upset with the u.s. Switching sides away from the houthis that he almost were a letter to Obama about it. But anyways, it's very clear that the u.s.
Was more than willing to work with the houthis. But then the houthis take more and more territory more and more power, and the Saudis get uncomfortable and they have a
new. Deputy new defense minister named Mohammed bin Salman, who is now the Crown Prince and de facto ruler of Saudi Arabia, but he sees a New opportunity in 2015 to launch, what he thinks will be a very easy War to remove the houthis from power and reinstall, a hottie to to control in Yemen and it just doesn't doesn't happen. And so when the Saudis decide that they're going to wage a war against the houthis, the mayor Kane's instantly switch sides in the war. They no longer bad.
The houthis. They start bagging, the Saudi attack ads against the houthis. But even worse, the Saudis and their emirati Partners in Yemen on the ground, in Yemen star, backing in 18 aqap and D Islamic State patch and in Yemen against the houthis. And so the United States completely switch sides in this war and it's just absolutely unbelievable. That, you know, like essentially all the wars that happened and the post-obama years that you know, they flip from the Americans fighting.
It's the terrorists to fighting for the terrorist, right? You know, Libya we're fighting a war against Gaddafi. But who does it benefit? You love the Libyan Islamic fighting group in Syria were dreadfully, supporting the terrorist. There's absolutely no question about nobody even even complains about it and is, you know, explicitly done so because, you know, the terrorists are apparently better than Assad, which is completely absurd.
And then gammons, the other example, were, you know, we back the, the side, opposing the He's who are the main enemies of Al Qaeda and Isis in Yemen, and then the our allies in Yemen the Saudis and the emiratis explicitly bat them fun them. Just this past. Couple weeks. There's a couple areas and Central. Yemen one is the Marie Province. The other one is a Shop La Provence the houthis were making progress in both marine and Shop. Wha and then the UAE has this
group of 15,000 salafis? These are, you know, the hardcore maybe not like Osama, Bin Laden worshippers, but certainly fighting violent, Islamic extremist, right 15,000 of them. They deploy them to shaba. They take territory back from the houthi, right? Like still even to this day. The American side in this war is backing the most Islamic extremist faction. Against the side that has more than happy to work with the Americans to kill them. It's absolutely unbelievable.
And then, finally most important information about intervention in Somalia. Yeah. So I mean, there's a lot here in this is, you know, one the, the parts in the book, where I think Scott has a real, what's the libertarian term comparative advantage? Where it's not, like, Scott knows as much about Somalia as he's does Afghanistan, but he knows more about Somalia then, essentially anybody else in the US and really understands like
the 20 year history. 30-year history of the US intervention in is am in Somalia, going all the way back to, like, the Black Hawk Down incident, which to me was just a Hollywood movie growing up, right? So, yeah, definitely check out the Somalia chapter of this book. I guess the part that I dad's most interesting to me and I think maybe has The most significance at the moment is in. So, like, there's this period in Somalia after the government collapses, right?
Where you have Warlords, controlling everything and then it kind of involves into this semi Anarchist quasi-government called, the Islamic courts Union. It's a group of 13 Islamic groups in Somalia. They essentially set up some kind of system. To allow some kind of like justice to happen. Right? Like there's some kind of court system now, is it probably the greatest like most liberal
justice system in the world? No, but if there is a standard of Justice where like if somebody comes and steals 3 of your sheep, like you have somewhere to go to get some kind of restitution, that is going to create a more Civil Society than if your only option is essentially to go like, try to steal your Get back or like, you know, kidnap your neighbor's kid and hold them at Ransom. Right?
Like, you know, these are kind of the two situations and so the Islamic courts, Union was bring some stability, some progress on recovery to Somalia. And then the United States bat and Ethiopian invasion of Somalia. And at the time, the group in control of Ethiopia was the the two grains. And now there are part of the teepee LF the to Greg ins people's liberation. Prime, which is at war with the Ethiopian government right now.
And I think that the US has been pretty favorable and push The Narrative of the two grains, quite a bit throughout that conflict and in part because, you know, the, the TPL f is like a proxy force of the US, where, you know, if they're if we have a sock puppet in charge in Ethiopia, which is the second. Most populous, African country, massive military. Three right now, the guy bunch of drones and everything like that. But, you know, back when the US
was back in them. They had Advanced military equipment to then this could be deployed to the region to squash different groups and Americans won't care. Right? Like if the if the Ethiopians invade and are killing the somalis Keith, what chance do you think I have of convincing? Any kind of nor me to listen to anything? I have to say about that. If it's the American strapping bombs on Somalia, if American soldiers are dying in, Then Americans will definitely care.
And so, yeah, the the US has used the TPL f as a proxy force in Somalia and the past and quashed the the one real effort in the past couple decades that Somalia had towards establishing a more functioning society that, you know, actually exist. Now, one other thing, I want to mention and I don't think this is in scotsblog. I didn't have a chance to re skim through this, my We part, but the less edit of the book.
I read before Scott published. The final copy didn't have this in there in 2016. The u.s. Actually tried to wage a counterinsurgency effort, a new car Insurgency, effort in Somalia, and they tried to take over this town bra re from the the al-shabaab, which after the Ethiopian intervention in in Somalia. They crushed the Islamic courts Union. And Only one group of the Islamic courts Union survived, and that was, I'll shabaab, which has become, you know, the
violent group. They publicly swear allegiance to Al-Qaeda all the, I think it's kind of a miss miss. No, Bert to say like, this is an Al qaeda-linked group as if they're going to like, carry out an attack against the west or something like that. You'll know, Target a US military personnel in neighboring Kenya, but, you know, they're not crossing the Atlantic, right? So anyways, As the u.s. Tries to wage this counter Insurgency against al-shabaab, and in doing so.
They partner with different branches of the Somali Special Forces and everything like that. The Somali Special Forces for whatever reason, showed up to town and executed 10 civilians, the netsuite. Somebody from that town drove a massive like, multi thousand-pound bomb, attempted to get into the area of Somalia. That is like, duh.
Bad, dad green zone, where like the international embassies and all that are was unable to do. So, but along that road is, were all the refugees into displaced people in Somalia were living. And so he detonated the bomb there, causing the biggest terrorist attack in African history. And I believe this is October of 2016 that this attack happens.
Killing over 600 people. And they just have no idea how many people died because, you know, there's just refugees on this island side of the road that were obliterated by the bomb. Blast. But you know, this is just another example of how, you know, American blowback rates terrorism, and all that. The book is enough already time to end the war on terrorism. Kyle. Where is the best place to find your collection of contributions? Of the libertarian Institute is probably the best place for
that. Which is probably the best place to buy fools Fool's, errand, and enough already. And you're coming book. Hope I say that if not, you could just said it out, but Scott tells me about it. So I assume it's cool to say, let's see. So yeah. Yeah, so check out the libertarian Institute. I I'm the co-host of the conflicts of interest podcast with Connor Freeman and will Porter Wills still on Hiatus, but he will be returning. And so me Connor and we'll put out at least three shows a week
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