Welcome to Keith's night, don't tread on anyone and the libertarian Institute today, I am joined by Nick Bryant. The author of the Franklin Scandal. A story of power Brokers, child abuse, and betrayal mr. Bryant. Where is the best place for people to purchase this book? Anywhere where books are sold. You can go on the internet and it's a 2495 as Alfred G Newman would say cheap. Excellent links to those will be in the description below along with mr.
Bryant's website, mr. Brian, can you please walk us through introducing us to the Johnny Gosch case and how that introduces us to Paul Benassi? What Johnny Gosch was a paper boy? That was abducted in 1982 and there were some anomalies with his abduction. And his mother certainly didn't think that the FBI was was doing enough and there were Sightings of him or indications that he was still alive after he was abducted and then in 1989 kid, who was part of a pedophile Network.
And out of Omaha, Nebraska came forward and he said that he helped abduct Johnny Gosch and it was tangent of the related to this network and his name is Paul Bonacci and He's an integral part of the Franklin, scan of the book that I wrote about the pedophile Network guy covered up. So Paul had a lot of stuff to say about Johnny Gosch.
She felt horrible about what he did and what happened to Johnny Gosch, but the FBI and law enforcement willing to listen to him because Paul had to be discredited at all counts. Because he was one of these kids that had Part of this pedophile Network that the FBI was doing everything.
The FBI and Department of Justice were doing everything in their power to cover it up. So Paul couldn't be allowed allotted any credibility and ultimately we still don't know what happened to Johnny Gosch. How do we know that Paul Bonacci is not just doing this for attention? How could Noreen Gosch Johnny's mother verified that he was actually telling the truth that he had actually come into contact with Johnny Gosch. There was a number of things.
This was part of America's Most Wanted got in on this and and Paul said that Johnny was being held. In Colorado next to up like a stone formation. That looks like an elephant. And he also said that there was a chamber underneath the house where the kids would be stashed.
So America's Most Wanted accompanied Palm to Colorado, they're going to Colorado. And there was in fact, a elephant shaped Rock and then who was a chamber underneath the house and Paul ran up to the house and he just broke out and crying. So there's a lot of, I mean, how would he know that? And there was someone in a gosh a friend of the gotchas who had been to Colorado and so writing that Johnny Cash was here, so And I found Paul to be very
credible. It's interesting, the network that I wrote about the Franklin at work, had to be covered up at all costs and there was two grand, juries and wash it. There's who grand juries in Nebraska, a grand jury in Washington, DC and I don't know if your listeners or viewers know how grand jury works, but they're very easy to corrupt. Rancher is a special prosecutor is chosen.
Front to question Grand jurors or to show evidence to Grand jurors and Grand. Jurors are just people that have shown up for jury duty and have been funneled to a grand jury. So they're just regular ordinary people. And Especial prosecutor is in this very potent place to completely twist their views because he shows them the evidence that they're going to see and he calls the witnesses
that they're going to hear from. And there was a New York judge that said, special prosecutors have so much power 0 power. A grand jurors that they can get them to indict. A ham sandwich and the state grand jury, that looked into Franklin, did it. In fact, I had a ham sandwich. They indicted Alicia Owen on eight counts of perjury because she refused to recant her abuse and the grand jury indicted Paul Bonacci on three counts of perjury because he refused to
recant his abuse. So And what happened there is. The state thought that Alicia Ellen would be the easiest one to convict because Paul had been part of this network for a very, very long time. And they went after Alicia and it, it took three days that that jury was deliberating for three days and there was Many that jury was very tainted or that trial was very tainted and evidence was getting planted in the Jury Room that had not been introduced.
That that implicated Alicia which and evidence that the jurors wanted to see Was not given to them. So that was an unbelievably corrupt. And actually the second full day of deliberation, NBC had a had, a show in which Dan Rather was the host. And he was talking about when famous people are accused or good, people are accused of bad things and actually goes a kid from that Network who testified and said that Alicia was lying. I mean, this is on Nationwide television.
Well Alicia's jury is deliberating so. And and he later submitted an affidavit and said that he lie because of FBI pressure. And it will you have a chapter State versus Owen? Where you going to Alicia Owens case? Now what most when I'm looking I was just going to say when I'm looking at an alleged witness, you the things that just go off for me.
I'm not an expert here but The things that I'm looking for are specifics, in their story and then judging their credibility, it's just the, the Johnnie Cochran formula. So when it comes to what her claims were about, what this network was engaged in, what were her claims and why do you
think Alicia Owens is credible? I'm sorry Alicia Owen. well, her claims were that there was a pedophile Network and that kids were flown out of Omaha and and some of the and Harvard she talked about Boys Town. Students Boys.
Town is that August orphanage outside of Omaha, Nebraska being part of this pedophile Network. at least you didn't have the big picture though, because a lot of kids were flown to Washington DC where there was a house party house set up for audio-visual blackmail, but at least you would not recant that she had been traffic as an adolescent and that she had been abusing and she had been seriously abused by some sadistic pedophiles and I have no doubts that just everything that Alicia
said is true. I've known Alicia for 14 years and I've never caught her lined. So and everybody that interacts with her, she's got a lot of friends family that loved her.
they know that you were saying the truth and actually Troy Bonner, the person that was instrumental in and testifying against her didn't submit an affidavit saying that threats from the FBI forced him to recant and then also testifying as Alicia and if you look at the State versus Owen in my book, you'll see that Elisha was Not only was Alicia telling the truth, but she was she was really set up.
For a fall. And there's a very interesting phone call between Troy Bonner. And Alicia Owen, they apparently were part of this same network that could be found in conspiracy of Silence. The, the, the documentary. They both mentioned the same name, a guy named Lawrence E King who is Lauren cking, Lauren cking. So the Franklin Network that I wrote about there were two primary pimp so long as Lauren cking. Omaha. And one was Craig Spencer.
Washington DC. Warren cking was a big shot Republican and he sang the national anthem at the 1984 Republican convention. He had a wonderful voice, a very evil man. He had a good voice and he was responsible. He was the logistics man, for forming. The kids around the country and he would, it was getting kids everywhere.
I mean, he'd get kids that fall through the attractions, be kids from Boys Town. I think he was getting kids from A similar institution, but for, but for girls, and he was president of the girls club. And one of the witnesses that came forward said that she had been recruited for.
She was like, 10 years old when she had been recruited for child, pornography and child abuse when shoot at at that particular Girls Club. So you've got all these kids and then I mean, if you look at the corroboration that I have talking about Kings Network, I mean it's It's just in, what's that mean? You've read the book. I mean, it's person after person after person and they all basically say pretty much the same thing.
I mean, there were some of them were recruited up differently but they all basically say the same thing and they didn't even know each other. A lot of them didn't because and the state. Okay. So Alicia on was found guilty on eight counts of perjury by the state in a concert version by the FED shoes. Looking at 200 years, And that that those grand juries had to be Sanctified, those grand jury said that there was absolutely
no child abuse. Like the grand jury with Epstein said that there was no child abuse. And Alicia had to be found guilty to sanctify those grand juries. That's why it was. She was part of the longest criminal trial in Nebraska history and the state, and the FEDS did everything they could. They pull out all the stops Soooo and deployed dirty tricks to make sure that she was found guilty.
And and then as just to show how vicious these people were, they put Alicia and solitary confinement for nearly two years. Which is unheard of inch. And she was a kid at that means she was indicted when she was 21 years old. And then she was sentenced to 39 and 15 years for perjury, which is also insane. And what the authorities were sending out the message that they were sending out to the other kids that were part of
this network. And this was a huge network if you speak up, this is what's going to happen to you. What happened to Alicia. So, That put a damper and then there were homicides and mysterious deaths that very much frightened you. You have a chapter in the book titled, webs of corruption, who is Euless Washington. At least Washington was the first. Kid to come forward, and that was in 1986, and what happened?
Elise was living in foster home that had like eight kids and the, the web's were the ones that ran the foster home and they were husband and wife. And they were very sadistic to these kids. I mean they would they would hit these kids with rubber hoses. They would starve. Them. It was really amazing what they
did to him. And all this is documented by social services and then at a certain point, the kids the kids started to rebel and run away and you lease ran away and she was only put into another foster care home. And she told her father care mother. What had happened? I mean, once she learned to trust her foster mother and in the interim, she had taken a polygraph that Said that she'd been molested by her stepfather or her foster. Father. Gerald web. And she passed it, and, but
nothing ever happened to him. So, Elise was with her new Foster mother and got to trust her. And she told her new Foster mother, that Lauren seen King was running Nationwide, pedophile Network. And that she'd been flown to Chicago and also to New York City to be used as part of a like a pedophile. Orgy, and that was the first documentation that we have of King. Basically, molesting children and and all, and also rain a pedophile Network to.
So, or a child abuse Network that would, that was the first documentation and then another girl came forward, and her name was Shannon Moore. And I talked to her, I talked about her earlier, she had been recruited at the girls club, which one is he? King was the president of, and she was used in for child pornography, and for and sexual abuse. Stu. So both these kids came forward and no one talk to you leaves.
Her foster mother went to Julia. Walters who has youth worker at Boys Town and Julie Walters pen to 46 page document on what Uli's had to say and how it was corroborated and she gave you lease your books for you least could pick out guys, because you lease also said that Boystown kids were involved. So, so, she was given books that your books to pick out People that she could remember that were involved in all this and nothing happened. Nothing happened.
And then Chanel, more came forward, and she was in a psychiatric hospital. And she really been through some horrific abuse. And there were she was interviewed by Officer, Earl Carr mean and he thought that she was credible, but he was pulled off the case. And they actually there was a there was a child pornography investigation into King and which three or four police reports are generated and two of them dealt with Chanel, Moore's allegations and nothing happened there.
So finally, this evidence started to Bubble Up To the foster care review board, the Nebraska Foster Care Group work and they review Foster placements, and when they got this documentation, you know, like Defcon 4 hit, you know, like where they realized that they had a that a nationwide pedophile network was centered in Omaha Nebraska.
So they went to State authorities and they went to Federal authorities and and they were everything was just Ignored all their documentation was simply ignored by state and federal authorities. It's amazing because this completely flies in the face of. Well, if those things were true, someone would have said something.
Well, we've got a lot of video tape of people saying things and you can actually see the kids explain this in the conspiracy of Silence video, which had a great strides and effect of because it was so hidden, people made sure to make tons of copies. Now you can find it numerous places on the web. Speaking of people, who spoke out, who is Rusty Nelson? Roasting Nelson was a photographer for Lauren cking and this was a blackmail
operation. And they were these kids are being pandered to the elite of our society, much like Jeffrey Epstein. It's very similar to what's what went on with Carrie, Jeffrey Epstein, intelligence connections, blackmail and personal. Some was one of the photographer's, and he was one of my first interviews and I think that he was pretty honest with me, initially, He had been busted for child pornography.
So he he had a certain taint that made me kind of incredulous to what he had to say, but he was able to say things that I was able to back up with other people that weren't that didn't suffer from the incredulity that that he did. And And this is kind of interesting. One day, I asked him. So, how does this work? How does this whole thing work? And he said, it's like you're on
a yacht. And it's a beautiful day and the sea is, is calm and and while you're on this yacht, you can have anything that you want anything, but if you decide to get off the yacht, the authorities are the people on the yacht are going to make sure that you drop. And and that's why I want your compromised, you have zero incentive to come forward. If if If you come forward your career will be destroyed, your family will be destroyed. You will you live in a mini asleep for the rest of your
life? So there's zero incentive to get off the eye, who is Gary territory So, what happened was? The. All these allegations work with the foster care review board and King. How the story gets the same as from the Franklin Credit Unions. King ran the Franklin Credit Union and it was for lower socioeconomic people in North Omaha and Federally, insured,
credit. Unions are supposed to be audited once a year and King had managed to Stave off audits for four years and shortly after George Herbert. Walker Bush was elected. He had yet to take the presidency, the FBI raided the Franklin Credit Union and it was 40 million dollars. Sure. So there have been some other banking malfeasance in Nebraska, and ultimately what happened there was the Nebraska Senate, formed a subcommittee to look in.
Why, how is this guy have a link to embezzle 40 million dollars? And When they fully armed, they had no idea about that. Lawrence, he came was running a nationwide child abuse network, but as soon as they formed these social workers are members of the foster care review board went to the Senators and said there's there's something else here. There's a pedophile Network, we reported it but we've been
completely ignored. And I'm sorry territory and what happened was, they eventually hired an investigator, an amazing investment in Gary care, Dory and Cara, Dory was really, really a great investigator. And he started getting all kinds of things. Like, I've got all of your repaired or he's documentation, but he got flight receipts. Passenger manifests. He found a lot of victims.
He put four of them on videotape and they corroborated the other kids had the other victims have come forward, but the FBI was trying very, very hard to sabotage your, he cared already because they were having problems.
He was uncovering so much stuff so on so quickly that they were having problems with the cover-up, making sure that it was keeping Pace with your record or has he was uncovering all kinds of incriminating stuff about that pedophile on that Network in Lawrence you came but Gary Corridor we realized that the hunter had become the hunted because the FBI was was out to say that he had scripted the child abuse allegations and it was it was it was, it was a lot of nonsense, but he realized
that the FBI was was trying to put him away and he went to Chicago, where he met Steven Allison that photographer. I was talking about and Rusty, gave him pictures and I've got corroboration from for other people that Goering territory, got pictures, and or incriminating stuff and in Chicago and he had a Cessna and when he was flying back, his Cessna it blew up and it was scattered over a very wide area and Lee County Illinois and and that was pretty much the end of
the investigation shortly. Sure his death, those grand jury has declared that there was no child abuse. And at that point, there had been other deaths to other than Gary care Dory. And there's a Chinese proverb kill one man. Sounds a thousand. Well, kill one man, and his son, and some other people than you're going to silence a community.
In 1987, you discuss a US Customs report that later led to a group referred to, as the finders tell us what we need to know about this group and what evidence there is of their existence. Well, there's a lot of evidence. This is how I got into this whole thing. I was I was going to write an article on the occult. For a magazine. And I was looking at Different occult groups and I came across the finders, which was a very strange, a color group and two adults.
And six feral kids. That the two adults were finders in the six, Farrell kids belong to, the finders were busted in Tallahassee Florida. They were at a park and some concerned citizens called the police because something didn't look right. So the police indicted the to Finders on multiple counts of child abuse. And then the kids were put in protective custody in a medical doctor. Had said that two of the kids have been sexually abused so, And then the US Customs got
involved. Because there was child pornography and the u.s. customs and the Washington, d.c. police executed search warrants on the warehouse of the finders. And how did they find this Warehouse? They had known about the finders because the finers had previously confident murder investigation so that they didn't have enough evidence to go after the finders. But yeah, they knew about the fight.
Is because of that murder investigation and when they raided the finders warehouses, they find all kinds of stuff and this is 1987, but there were telling axes, I mean, telling people to move the children through different jurisdictions
and keep them moving to lady. So, there are obviously more children involved than just those six and There was a Telex about purchasing, two children, in Hong Kong, and there were passports, that had been used to go to the Eastern Bloc countries like Russia and China, which we're definitely during the Cold War. It wasn't common for people to go to Russia or China X especially if they were part of
a very strange call. So what happened was these two fighters were indicted on charges, multiple counts of child abuse. And then the CIA intervene. and the CIA told the US Customs and the police the the Metro Police in d.c. to stand down And that's what got me into this whole world. It was like 21 years ago. I thought to myself I kind of thought I knew how the world work. but after that, why would the CIA, which has no Authority whatsoever in the United States of America?
Why would they quash an investigation into some nefarious people that were abusing children? And that's what ultimately started my Odyssey to the Franklin Scandal because I saw something that looks similar to it in Omaha. And that's why ultimately went to Omaha and started to investigate In the amazing thing is, it's also the FBI. If you watch who took Johnny, the 2014 documentary that came out on Netflix.
Also can be found online. You have the FBI getting interviewed a number of FBI agents and they're like, why didn't you interview this guy? Paul Benassi who was saying, he actually took Johnny Gosch. What is what? What's up with this? And I said, well, what we're looking into it and we haven't made a A decision or some of them say well we can't determine with absolute certainty is credibility as if that standard could be held to any one and then the other guy from the FBI they go.
What is the latest update on the Johnny Gosch case? And then the assistant says there's not going to be any questions about Johnny Gosch. I mean, it's almost like you're watching a cartoon. Like, if this were like a James Patterson novel, you'd say, well, this is too ridiculous. So this is obviously fiction by a bad writer, but it's right in your face and It's unreal. The person who introduced me to this was a guy named John de Kamp.
What are some of the big things that could be learned from the research of John de Kamp? Well, John de Kamp, basically had all the documentation that was generated by the the Senate subcommittee and also by Gary territory. So he wrote a book and we're using the same documentation
mine. I spent seven years on my book and John really, I mean John was able to prove that there was a ring and you and in Omaha and he alluded to the fact that they might be using a boy's town that there might be blackmail involved that they might be flying the kids to Washington, d.c. It was alluded to, but really he didn't really, I feel make the journalistic standards that such an allegation required. So that's why I spent those years and I was able to show that kids were, in fact, taken
out of boy's town. And I was able to show that kids were flown to Washington DC and that there was a CIA asset in Craig Spence, who owned a house. It was where for audio-visual black And I was able to talk to some of the players there. So With a lot of effort on my on my part, I was able to prove a lot of stuff that John implied was Rusty. Nelson, the source for saying that Craig Spence's Washington. D.c. location was wired with cameras for blackmail.
Okay so we've got Rusty saying it, we've got the Washington Times saying it. We've got Paul Bonacci saying that and Gary territory had actually died a link between Spence and King. So there's a lot there's a lot there as far as drummer Asian. Oh, and we also get it from Henry. Vincent who is running an escort service, a gay escort service so there's tons of corroboration.
that you're that Larry King or Lauren cking and Craig Spencer running a pedophile Network and that there was blackmail involved and that there was that they had intelligence connections, In Tim Tate's movie, The Conspiracy of Silence, he mentions the name, Craig Spence. He also mentions the name, Alan bear and Peter, sit room of the Omaha World. Herald newspaper a columnist. Do you have any info on those two individuals?
Well, they were both kind of files and the guy that ran the Omaha World. Herald was Harold Anderson and he was a pedophile. He like young boys. I mean under 10 and Peter citroen's also at a file. He was when he was like the star columnist at the Omaha World
here. So and that's one of the things you had the Omaha World-Herald discrediting, these kids and discrediting the investigation because the guy that ran the Omaha World, Herald was a pedophile and it's truly unfortunate and then people in the mainstream media outside of Omaha took their lead and just started discrediting the kids.
I mean had Anybody really dug into this, they would have seen that something was rotten and, and that a lot of kids had been abused, but our mainstream media wasn't willing to do that. They just were willing to do. Hatchet jobs on Alicia Owen, and Lauren Schmidt, who headed the Franklin committee on the most innocent vulnerable. People who have no institutional power, it's that it's just one of the saddest stories who were The most prominent names that were involved in in this ring.
Well the ones that I've told you we're definitely involved. There were a number of people in Washington d.c. that were involved that We have pretty lofty positions but that's source that I that I use for that he doesn't you know he it's like there's one person that's saying that and this is Henry Vincent and he was taken down. What happened with Henry is he was writing this escort service and Spray expanse.
One of The pedophilic Pimps certain to spend twenty five thousand dollars a month on gay escorts from his escort service and and he had met King and Spence together a number of
times and Spence. Let Henry in. on who was getting compromised and what happened there was Henry was sitting next to King and spans and Spence was like a sociopath Coke addict and a pedophile and just had seismic narcissism and they were sitting together and Spence started to ask Henry about his life where he grew up and where he went to college and things like that. And Harry had never seen Spence concerned for another individual
before. It was like, it was like Henry was watching the Red Sea being parted and so Henry, and then spends ask him about his escort service and, and, and the machinations of his escort service. And, and then whenever he had finished, all that Spence got up and wait, him over to the this closet, and he'd open the closet. And then behind the closet was a
secret panel. And then In the past, there was a hidden room that was filled with monitors and Spence, hit a couple of buttons and there's Henry talking about his escort service. So, That's and strength basically said to him blackmail people and consider yourself Black Milk and that's how that works. But Henry, Nose of a lot of names that were a part of that
network. But it's his word against these guys who are high in stature, that have basically cabinet-level type people that have governed our country. And when it comes to credibility, I believe, Harry, absolutely, but it would be very easy for the media to pick apart, so that because some of the names are just so. You like with them still like like what we've seen with that soon? Yeah, with Epstein.
You have the president of America Clinton, you then have him with Donald Trump, which is not as tied at the, it wasn't on the island necessarily like Clinton was. And then you have the prime minister of Israel, a hood Barack coming out of his Manhattan residents, like holding the coat over his face. It's just unbelievable Thor. You know, prince Andrew. Of course, obviously, much like the And Craig Spence who I'm talking about, it was in
Washington DC with the house. It was wired for audio-visual blackmail, he ultimately committed suicide. And on the internet, it said that he was suicide but he had
AIDS. And he had a runaway Coke habit and I think that the that malignant pocket of intelligence that he worked for that black males people said Said to him, you know, either you can kill yourself or we can kill you and I think that he he died at the Boston Ritz he was wearing a tuxedo and he took an overdose of tripling which is an antidepressant now. King he was scooped up off the streets of Omaha by the Secret Service and taken to a psychiatric facility in Springfield.
Missouri. And he was diagnosed as delusional. Well the two grand juries were going on and then once the grand juries were doubting then he suddenly regained his sanity and he ultimately did ten years for financial fraud. He didn't there wasn't one kind of child abuse against him and your listeners. Can go to my podcast and look at the Franklin.
Scanted Revisited to stop a predator and And King is tried to inveigle himself since he's gotten out of prison, he's tried to. He had a no-show job and then he's in big old himself and organizations that would give him access to children. And I'm had him kicked out of those three organizations. I've conscripted people and we've had him kicked out of those three organizations on page 27. You mentioned that Paul Benassi and Rusty Nelson named the same intelligence officer was that
Michael Aquino? Yes. You had mentioned Rusty, Nelson had a number of incriminating pictures. Do you have any idea of how these of how these things are done? In the sense of? I mean, I'm just trying to think how this guy could have, you know, gone to these parties or are all of them hidden cameras or is he actually a photographer. Because if someone's a photographer at one of these events, you would think that, you know, someone would say Is this guy taken pictures?
We need to have this guy whacked immediately where he was rejected. He was part of the network and he would take pictures from the hip. I mean, Rusty is a smart guy and he can be very clandestine. So, but he was ultimately protected by the network is protected because the network the police, the kids named the police chief as being one of the pedophiles. So the the police were compromised, the the FBI was up to covered up and so is the Department of Justice.
So Rusty had all this Our that was protecting him so he could basically do whatever he wanted. And feel the network was folded up and then he was told to get out of town and he was ultimately busted for child. Pornography wish he'd been doing for quite some time, but because he was protected at that point, he just, you know, he could do whatever he wanted to do. We saw that in the initial Palm Beach report for Jeffrey, Epstein. I think it was in 2006.
Even though anna-marie farmer had complained to the FBI in 1996. Didn't he get in trouble in 2006 where he got that sweetheart deal? Yes, I'm Stephen Franklin are very, very similar.
Maria farmer, went to the FBI 1996 and she was completely ignored And then in 2005 a fourteen-year-old told her mother and father that she had been molested by Jeffrey Epstein. And they went to the Omaha or the Palm Beach Police Department and and the police are just now, in Jeffrey Epstein, is that billionaire philanthropic type? And But he, but she was able to describe his anatomy and
described his house. So they believed her and they start an investigation into they have a steam and they were aware, they had the statements of five Miners and but they were aware of 17 other Miners. And actually the federal government at that point, was aware of 34 miners that had to die that obscene have molested. I'm staying at all, had molested and Ultimately happened, was Alexander a constant.
The US attorney was, told not to prosecute king or not to prosecute Epstein because Epstein was foreign Court intelligence. So and emceeing, the same thing. His homes all had hidden cameras and his house in New York City. His Mansion in New York City had like one of those little rooms were, there's all kinds of monitors. And there were men as in plural monitoring the monitors and the, the monitor showed the bedrooms, and the bathrooms of all the bedrooms, bathrooms and the house.
So, there's a lot of similarities and there was a grand jury that was called the, the police were just felt, like, everything should have been charged with five counts of child abuse. But that was taken away from them that cat case and given to a grand jury and grand juries in Florida, are Never called and less.
It are generally never cause unless it's a capital offense, so that was pretty fishy and itself and ultimately that grand jury, it'll the guy who very Christian, who prosecuted that grand jury only called. One of those victims, they knew of 23 victims but at that point, they only called one of the victims and that grand jury conclude that Jeffrey. Epstein had not molested a single child.
So again, you The grand jury, how corrupt the grand jury process can be. When it comes to evidence for blackmail because this is just so incredible to me, is the evidence for that Maria farmer and Virginia Roberts. What is the primary evidence that FC was running? A blackmail operation, where he'd get evidence of these acts taking place on camera. Well, I mean, anytime you've got all of your other rooms in your house has, I mean, the island was wired for Autumn, is your black now.
So if you went to any events teens places that were hidden cameras and he was working for intelligence, so and intelligence that are some dark malignant corner of intelligence. And that's what they do. Is they blackmail people? and, That's how our democracy is co-opted because of blackmail. But as far as what evidence there is that these cameras existed is it were the testimony of Roberts and farmer with the house in Palm Beach.
The police found hidden cameras. That's right with the house and Washington d.c. Maria farmer. And Virginia gu free Roberts found that there were cameras, hidden cameras and Vanity. Fair ran an article which talking about the island being wired for audio-visual blackmail to and what people miss about, this is Jeffrey Epstein in and Of himself could not have, like, no people.
He was a College Dropout from going from essentially, a blue collar family in Coney Island. There's no way that Jeffrey Epstein could have blackmailed the people in the black book. I put the black book on the internet. In 2015, by the way, you can Google Nick Ryan, Crocker black book and get a see a copy of the black book that the numbers are
redacted. But there's, there's also a lot of victims and That are in the Blackboard, but anytime you have that type of dynamic, there's there's there's going to be blackmailed. And the thing about Jeffrey, Epstein is he was a Dropout, a College Dropout. He had really, no power whatsoever. And if you look at the guys in the black work, there's some of the most powerful men in the world.
I mean, if they have been head of countries, so there's no way that Jeffrey. Epstein could blackmail those guys by himself. They just have obscene hit and really good article. I wrote I believe it's a good article. I wrote for sure. Post on the Jeffrey have seen Saga. I showed that less Wexner had big-time ties to the mafia. He was actually implicated. I was able to get a homicide report that implicated him in a homicide and also implicated him
as being part of her. Having connections to the Genovese crime family and someone who did all the trucking. For him, was an appendage of the Genovese crime family. So if Epstein was blackmailing less Wexner, less Wexner, could just call up his buddies in the Genovese crime, family and say, you know, I mean, this guy's bother me. Let's, let's Brigham.
But if he knows that there's a organization behind Epstein, that will seek retribution and he's been told that this organization will seek retribution. I've seen him blackmailing, but he wants because he's just a, he's just a cog in the whole blackmail process. Much, much like King and Spence were in the Franklin scam. I'm trying to remember the name. I think it's something like
black bird or something. There's a general name for a woman who's hired by Russian intelligence to sleep with with foreign officials in order to get information out of them they otherwise wouldn't have access to. Are you familiar with this actually being a practice by people like Ellie Cohen who went to Syria who was working for Israeli intelligence that are you familiar with other countries? Engage in this exact same thing. I mean, sexual political blackmail is probably as old as
politics itself. People say that politics is the oldest profession. When I say people say that prostitution was is the world's oldest profession. Probably politics is the oldest profession because people had to have power and then they got were able to indulge in prostitutes. So this has been going on forever. His accounts of the CI blackmailing people there's accounts of the KGB, blackmailing people, but other countries have blackmail people. I'll give you a couple of examples.
Dennis hastert was Speaker of the House for seven years. And he was known as a strong arm specialist. I mean, you did and constitutional, he was, he was the third most powerful man in the country and he had predatory behavior with minors, boys going back for years. And sibel Edmonds who was a FBI whistleblower talking about the FBI being aware of hamsters Shadow life. So he had had predations going back for years, and the FBI was aware that he was a predator and he was unscathed.
Well, he was speaker of the house and he was really gung-ho on getting those Wars going. And he's really integral in the build-up to the To the Iraq War. It was a it was a very important player as as was by Frank. For the Democrats. So Dennis hastert to me is an example of someone who's being bike and he was actually being blackmailed by one of his victims and the FBI stepped in and busted hastur for making on some kind of monetary charges, and they didn't bust the victim.
That was blackmailing him. Now, the FBI could have easily stepped in and busted the victim that was blackmailing him. But they decided must have stirred and I Bastard for some reason, decided to get off the yacht. That that metaphorical yacht that I talked about earlier in the show. I think he got too greedy. I think he's crying told not because he was making millions and millions of dollars off his lobbying efforts and and then
here's another one. Larry Craig hardcore conservative from Idaho, Family Values guy. He'd been in Washington DC for nearly 25 years first as a representative from Idaho. And then, As a senator and he had I think the worst record of voting against gay rights of anybody in the Senate. Meanwhile, he was getting gay escorts from Henry Vinson who I wrote a book with called, Confessions of a d.c. Madam the politics of Sex Lies
with blackmail and then he was. And then there was a documentary meant by Kirby dick called outrage, that show that Craig was getting project, no prostitutes from other sources as well. And then he's Take that baby. This is a u.s. senator. He's picked up in a bathroom for trying to pick up a vice squad cop. So and this is a u.s. senator whose libido is completely out of control. How could that guy not be
compromised? There's no way that he could be in Washington DC for 25 years and not be compromised. Have you looked into the silicone case at all? Yeah, I know a little bit about it. Do, did you come across that, but when researching that did you see that as a blackmail operation as well, or was that just a military operation that got into parties but was never about blackmail. It's hard to say I, you know, I know about that story but I'm not an expert on it.
I have not done any research on it, I've not written about it so I would be very difficult, okay. Megan you co-wrote a book with Henry, W Vinson, Confessions of a d.c. Madam the politics of Sex Lies and blackmail. If you had to explain this story to us, what do we need to know
about the story? the big players and what this General operation consisted of Well, the thing is, it's kind of that book is kind of an extension of the Franklin Scandal because Henry was dealing with King and spans were part of the, the two primary pimps in the Franklin Co Henry was a mortician who through a number of very strange circumstances ended up owning a escort service, a gay, escort service. And as I said earlier, Spence was spending twenty five thousand dollars a month on
escorts. Just Henry Vincent and Henry got involved with these people. He had no idea that he was me making a Faustian pact with. He just he Henry Was Naive. He's from West Virginia buying an escort service was just kind of a win for him. So when he met Craig Spencer and Lauren cking, he had no idea what he was getting into. But as I said earlier, they spent blackmailed Henry.
And and this thing blew up, I mean, because of the Washington Times reporting on it, what the Washington is reporting that Spence was blackmailing people that Spencer was taking midnight. Tours the White House with called boys. There were there were a number of stories and those stories were actually nominated for a Pulitzer Prize, but the Washington Times is owned by the Moonies, although it was amazing reporting.
The New York Times. Washington Post in the LA Times got together and kicked the Washington Times to the side of the road, which they've been known to do with other Publications that Our politically correct with them.
I'll put it that way. So Henry was ultimately and this is kind of an interesting Henry was just running as I mean, he was just running an escort service and he was indicted on a RICO 4343 count, Rico indictment, and he was looking at two hundred ninety five years in prison, and the government said to him, Henry, you've seen a lot of stuff. If you keep your mouth shut will give you five or six years but if you open, your mouth will put you away for the rest of your
life. So that's how Henry was leveraged with. He was looking at 295 years. It's incredible because we even have documents from these intelligence agencies on. I'm trying to remember the year. I think it was in 1963. There's actually a CIA assassination manual where they talk about how you can do such things and how you can get away with them. Then they did them in 1961 with Patrice lumumba.
They had a couple hits out on Castro, some in Indonesia and as well as Vietnam. So it's like we have the exact documents a study in assassination. And people still think, well assassinations don't really exist or solemn oniy was what was assassinated not that he's involved in any of this? The point is that people will not believe that there are these assassination. Operations that exist? Even when it's right there, right in front of their face, how is it that with so much
evidence? The media is still able to cover it up. Well, I mean, the thing was sexual Male 2. I mean, there's all kinds of sexual blackmail in Washington, DC, and we, and every District or time. I think a lot of people in the media are probably compromised too, and a lot of it comes down to America. America, Americans cognitive
dissonance. I saw this initially when I was pushing the Franklin Scandal, I would pitch it to an editor and they would eventually that would be interested in their eyes. And their eyes are just go blank. And basically, what was going on in their mind was Nick, Brian is pitching us, a horrific story and we need to help him because all these child children have been molested with impunity or McBride is crazy, and then I don't have to do anything.
So and Americans are faced with this cognitive dissonance. I mean probably daily ER, very frequently. Were they don't want to believe the worst things about their young. Like the assassinations like political blackmail. Like, I mean with Epstein. I mean he was trafficking little girls to people. We know who they are, or we know who a bunch of them are and The
media did nothing. The media wrote kicked up salacious dirt on abstain and his buddies but that was about it. They there was no call for Augustus. All these girls were molested with impunity and some of them were served up two, very sadistic pedophiles and that was that, you know, only going Maxwell or obscene to. But Glenn Maxwell was indicted. We know who bunch of those pimps were the New York Times wrote an
article naming. Them and we know who bunch of the perps are but our government is not willing to do that. And for and the media has not shown any outrage and anti-trafficking groups haven't shown any outrage. So these poor kids that were molested with impunity. No one is no one is going to bat for them. It's I just find it kind of mind-boggling. Have you ever seen the Wikileaks document that was an email from Marina Abramovic to Tony? Podesta saying?
I am so looking forward to the spirit cooking dinner at my place. Do you think you'll be able to let me know if your brother was going? Are you familiar with that? I'm familiar with it. I I looked into Pizza gate and I couldn't really, I thought I had a lead but it actually went nowhere so I'm agnostic. I'm generally agnostic on things until I know until I check them out. I studied philosophy in college and that's how Socrates was in his one of my philosophic
heroes. So so I try to be agnostic about things. I don't know if anything ever happened with with with pizza gate. Like I said, I couldn't find any evidence of it. That doesn't mean that there isn't evidence of that but that I just I don't, I don't know me, I'm in ghaziabad. Yeah, I remember seeing a video of a guy who was very worked up. He goes to the he goes to comment and he's like why won't you let anyone inside? And then they let the guy inside. I mean, you can always say,
well, this was an obvious setup. I mean it just doesn't look like like it's there. That doesn't mean those emails. Not very damning. It just doesn't mean that they're it was done through this specific, Pizza organization. Yes, like I said, I Agnostic about it. I very dubious of Q. And I actually I think you and I ought is There's no evidence, but they can never falsify any of their plans. Thank you.
Anton, is all bullshit. I mean, if Donald Trump is going to save the children, all those have steam perps, who have been arrested while he just leaned, Maxwell is in prison. And so, a lot of people want to know if she's going to turn in powerful people, and I know you talked in the past about prince Andrew and you criticize Bill Clinton's behavior. I'm wondering. Do you feel that she's going to turn in powerful men? Have you see that working out? I don't know. I haven't really been.
Following it too much. I just wish her. Well, frankly, I've met her numerous times over the years, especially since I lived in Palm Beach and I guess they lived in Palm Beach. But I wish her. Well, whatever it is. I don't know the situation with prince, Andrew just don't know not aware of it was when he was president. Now, here's something that's kind of interesting between Epstein.
And also, Franklin is William bar was the attorney general for Bush one who helped up, who helped cover up Franklin. And it's also the attorney general for Donald Trump who helped cover up Epstein. So William bar has his nasty little paws. And both these pedophile Network cover-ups, which I think is kind of interesting and was Robert Maxwell. Who was gawain's? Father, was he an intelligence agent?
Yeah, I mean it's pretty much I mean that's pretty much proven by a number of different sources. That Max was definitely an intelligent agent. And then just one more that I had here, have you done any research on the Bohemian Grove and found anything damning there? Or is it possible? That is just a boys club where they do bizarre things.
A human girl pretty bizarre. They've got that ceremony The Cremation of care and which they burn an effigy and moloch, who is the god that you would sacrifice children to that. Whole thing is pretty bizarre. I've been told that there A lot of the midna lacking out at Bohemian Grove, but I have not investigated it. I have not written about it, so, I'm just not in a position to comment on, and that's what I
love about your researcher. So, humble in in the places that that you just haven't gotten into. We have to specialize in focus on some things. So, my final takeaway is what can parents do to find the balance between Giving their kids enough freedom to grow and keeping them. Safe, what have you come across in your research? Well. Our society is very, very still naive, according to the CDC one, and four minor girls is going to be molested and that's a
conservative number. But but the CDC says 25% of the girls miners in this country are going to be in the lasted. So, we're talking millions and millions of women have been Good. My belief is that. We have this Epstein Network and we know who the perps are. We cannot let America just for the sake of its own spiritual existence cannot let this slide and it just cannot and I wrote emails through a number of anti trafficking groups.
And one woman wrote me back and saying, well I've seen is so ambiguous and I I said ambiguous, you know, we know these are, you know, curves and these are the pictures. There's nothing ambiguous about Jeffrey Epstein and then she didn't return my email which I'm used to but now but I really think that if our government gets away with this We'll be one step closer to spiritual death as a country if we're not there
already. The book is the Franklin Scandal. A story of power Brokers, child, abuse and betrayal links will be in the description below, mr. Brian, thank you so much for your time, sir, and your research. Thank you so much and I'm glad to be on your show.