Welcome to Katie's Crib, a production of Shonda Land Audio in partnership with I Heart Radio. Can you tell us like the difference between neighbors, schools, and daycares for someone who was weighing it out? Sure, um, there are lots of differences between them. The ones that I think don't always spring to mind are thinking about the experience of the caregiver directly. Part of it is meeting that person and feeling like we're going to have open communication, we're
going to have a strong partnership. And you can really only do that if you're meeting the person and you understand who that person is. Now, in home daycare, that's different because the person who's the set like running the daycare is also the educator, and so you're meeting that person from the get go. But even in a home daycare, if they have an assistant, meet the assistant. Hello, everybody, Welcome back to Katie's Crib. WHOA Can we ever have
enough podcasts about childcare? No? Because it's impossible. And the guest I have on today is making waves and moves in this arena and we need to talk about it. Her name is Bridget Garsh. She is the co founder and chief operating officer, who excuse me of Neighbor Schools
is what it's called, It's awesome. Neighbor Schools is a Boston based startup company that provides a platform to help parents find trusted childcare while enabling childcare providers with all the tools they need to successfully run their own home daycare. Bridget also hosts Neighbor Schools podcast called Work Like a Mother, and the show shares story is of incredible women who are juggling work life and motherhood. Bridgets based in Boston.
She's the mother to two little boys, Hudson and Brooks. I love those names. Thank you for coming on Katie's crib, Bridget. I am so excited to be here with you. Katie. I was on Bridget's podcast called Work Like a Mother, and I told Bridget that Brooks was on our list for our second child's name if we had had a boy, because Adam and I made our Broadway debuts together at the Brooks Atkinson Theater. So Brooks was like, I'm very impressed that you used it. I think it's a dope name.
Oh well, thank you so much. It's actually inspired by my mom um. We lost her to cancer. Um, and so we I wanted a b name for Brooks. What was your mom's name? Bobby? Oh, I love that name. Yeah, it's such a beautiful name. And her made a name was Howard. But my father in law's named Howard, so that was a that's a no go, that's a I can't do that. That's fulfilled, right, Um, So tell me
walk me through. You have two boys. What are their ages? Again? So, Hudson is four and Brooks will be two in two months. I can't even believe it. What were the childcare What was your child care experience? Overall? My kids have been in every form of childcare I think, except in O pair. So they've had a nanny, they've been in a big corporate daycare center. They've been in a small independent daycare center. They've been in home daycare, they've been in home pre school,
they've been taken care of by family. I mean, they've they've had everything, and we've pieced together this crazy solution
because the child care system is just so broken. And I want to also recognize it away that like, I have this immense privilege that I have options, right, and I could afford those options in the first place, because most families don't write like there are fifty one per cent of families in the US actually live in a childcare desert where they have no option at all, and in most states, childcare is often the cost of in
state college tuition. So I want to recognize that I feel incredibly privileged to have had those options available to me. And part of starting neighbor Schools was because of this personal experience in which I saw how broken, you know, the childcare system really is. And when our CEO and my co founder Brian asked me to to build neighbor schools and work on solving this crisis, I was an
enthusiasm plastic yes. But the irony of all ironies is that I couldn't actually join full time because of childcare, because I couldn't go salary free with paying for childcare. So I worked nights, weekends, everything until we raised a little bit of money and then I could join join full time. But the challenges surrounding childcare and finding childcare are just really near and dear to my heart. Do you have a couple of memorable moments when you were
juggling running neighbor schools on weeknights? On weekends and raising your children into pandemic. Oh my goodness, Oh my goodness. Um. So I had joined Neighbor Schools full time before the pandemic. Um. But one of my one of my favorite funny memories
was we were doing an event. So this is in the very early days of the company, and Brian, our CEO, lives, you know, maybe three or four miles away from me, and we met in like a Whole Foods parking lot to exchange flyers for an event, and we kept joking like, are the police gonna It was like midnight, you know, there's nobody around it, shady and yeah, and here we are exchanging flyers for like promoting childcare and recruiting more
educators to join our network. So um that that's always something that springs the dive in like this crazy juggle of that was the time that worked was midnight, midnight, Whole Foods parking lot. Let's meet. Yeah, you were telling us why why you feel so passionate and personally inspired and invested in the Neighbors School's idea. Can you explain into us the start of at the very beginning, Well, I think, like so many couples, I had never really
thought about childcare before I got pregnant with Hudson. I went back to work with Hudson when he was twelve weeks old. Um, my husband and I had done a lot of research and we were very fortunate that his employer at the time actually had child's care in the building. So we thought, we have struck gold. This is amazing.
We are just set. And then it was probably about when Hudson was eight months old that his favorite daycare teacher, ms Quella left the daycare center, and then maybe like two to three weeks later, his other favorite daycare teacher, Ms Meg left. We were panicked. I mean we were devastated, Like, these are the people who, when Hudson was twelve weeks and he's this tiny, you know, human and I'm going back to work that they learned everything about him. They
knew his you know, sleep schedule. They helped us navigate food, yep, naps, his first coals, all of it. Yeah, everything, everything, absolutely everything. So we were really wrecked. And it was at that moment that we actually realized that even though we were paying an absolute fortune, that ms Quella and Miss Meg were making nothing. I mean, our money wasn't going to these incredible caregivers who we, as you just said, trusted
so deeply and had become part of our family. I mean, had since spent more time with them than they did. But it was going to overhead expenses. And I say that not not to make daycare center sound mean and malicious,
because they're not. It's it's the reality that the economics of the whole daycare center model don't work, right, Like, there's only so much money that parents can pay the cost of like rent and maintaining a building is super expensive, and then you need all this administrative staff to keep things running. So once all of that is paid for, there's such a little amount of money to pay the educators who are just essential to making childcare work, right, Like,
childcare doesn't work without the humans there. And so when we started Neighbor Schools, it was with this vision of making child care better for everybody, right like parents and the teachers, for the teachers and for the children. And and the way that we do that is by supporting the caregivers, because like I was just saying, if there are no caregivers, there's no childcare period. So our platform is helping these incredible caregivers open and operate small licensed
daycares that they run in their homes. And because they run these daycares in their homes, there are like two really interesting things that happen. Number One, all of those overhead expenses that I was just talking about God completely gone. So so that means they're typically thirty to more affordable for families. But the most of the majority is going
to the person exactly. So instead of making thirty thou dollars a year, which is the typical salary um for a preschool teacher, educators can earn up to seventy to nine dollars a year doing what they love. That's so great. That was part of the inspiration for neighbor schools. And then the other part of it because starting, you know, one company wasn't hard enough. We have a marketplace where we worry about the educators and we also think a lot about the parents, and we want the process for
parents to be better. I remember calling around so many places, leaving voicemails, I mean voice, never hearing back and never hear back. I know, I know, I know, it's really it's really true. I haven't had the same experience for sure, and you can't blame you know, it's because they're totally overextended. It's like, you want to be so pissed that you're paying all this money for a daycare or preschool and
someone should be fucking calling me back. But honestly, the one person who's heading up the entire thing and running the entire administration and trying to, you know, be held accountable by all these parents, I mean, it's fucking impossible. They also need to like have boundaries. I get it. Like it's all a mess, which is why I think it's so amazing that you're spending the time to change this and change people's lives. Um, you start neighbor at schools.
You're doing this on weekends and week nights. I mean it's just insane. Um, what were the first schools you started? Yeah, we really built the neighbor Schools platform around our very first educators. So our first educators were Miss Debb and Miss Martha. Ms. Deb has this incredible background of working with early intervention and working with all of these children
to help them learn and grow. And Miss Martha, um, she was a nanny for many, many, many many years, and so as they were going through the entire licensing process and you know business set up process of getting their E I N and their business bank account and all of these different pieces. Um, would you help them do exactly? We built the product around them to know at every step of the way what is it that they're they're needing and like what they're required to do.
It's like I try to put my nanny in this situation. It's like, okay, like you guys are holding these amazing caretaker's hands. How do we file taxes? How do we get insurance? How do we make sure my house is set up appropriately? What things do I need to purchase that each child needs to have? Is there a limit to how many kids can be in each neighbor school? Yes?
So I think this is a really unknown fact is that licensed home daycare is incredibly regulated and it's controlled by the same licensing agency that oversees you know, daycare centers. So the same health and safety standards, the same environment are the same, and the ratios are very strict as well. So in Massachusetts, just as an example, um, you can have six children. I think a lot of us were sort of scrambling during covid um, which did you notice,
like a huge neighbor school boom during the pandemic. Nobody can say, of course, like I'm nodding away at you, and nobody can actually see me, Daddie at you. Yes, I'm nodding at Katie saying yes we did. We did see this real spike in um educators actually looking to open their own daycares, and then also families, Oh my god, and families being like, holy crap, I'm still I'm working from home right, my children can't go to preschool or whatever we were doing before because of COVID. What the
hell am I supposed to do? Is there some sort of say for option, especially before we knew how COVID worked in little ones. But like you know, I was hearing about all these sort of home school situation pods popping up of like these are the six kids with one teacher that we can get tested and everything's you know, so you were noticing a big spike. What did you learn from the first month that you provided services to our initial educators and the families. That's such a good question. Um,
I think they're different. They're different, but they're they're similar. So on the educator side, we realized how community was going to be really important for all of the educators who were becoming part of Neighbor Schools that if you think of it right to be an entrepreneur, to start your own business, to work with children all day long, you want that connection and that learning and your colleagues.
You want colleagues to be able to turn to. And so that's another part of Neighbor Schools is the community
for educators to connect and learn from one another. Whether that's like we do a show and tell where people show off their spaces and everybody talks about, well, this is how I set up my you know, UM reading center, and this is how I set up my STEM area and they're all learning from one another, or it's connecting like in the pandemic, you know, we had UM, the lead UH doctor for who was building and working with the licensing agency on COVID protocols come and talk and
answer all of the questions. So that was something I don't I don't think we fully knew when we started the company UM, but that we really evolved as we were working with the educators themselves. And then on the parents side, you're at this incredibly overwhelming, very vulnerable time
where it's just information overload. And so many of the first nine parents that we've talked to you had no idea what to expect, right Like, they just had no idea what they were looking for or what to even imagine. So we knew that we needed to make the parent experience better. We needed to make that modern and educational so that people were learning as they were finding child care.
So with the parent experience, what we've done is you take a short quiz right where you're sharing all the basics of you know, what days you need care and what your budget is, but you're also we're presenting you with things like here twenty five activities, pick three that
are important to you. And then we're doing that like heavy lifting on the back end to say, Okay, this person is really interested in nature, right like, that's outdoor space is going to be really important to them, and building almost like there their unique profile of what their needs are, and then teaching them about the things they should be thinking about while they're going through the whole process, so that when they hit submit on that quiz and
then they start to see, Okay, here are the recommendations We've taken out all those voicemails and those phone calls right like, you know, right away, if we have a spot available, what are the values to that to those
parents exactly? And then surfaced all of that information like the educators story and their background and reviews from families so that you're not hunting and searching for it, because when it comes down to it, it's all about transparency, and everybody wants to feel like you are making a really good decision because this is the most important decision
that are going to make. Like I dropped Albie off at eight thirty today and he's getting picked up in four So he's spending a lot of time with people who I trust, and I am completely rest assured that they know what type of parent I am, how I like to parent my child, and we are in constant communication. It's just because the kid is spending more time with them than they are with you. So these are very important.
So it's cool. It's like you're giving them like you're you're really making a profile and making sure that everyone is transparent of what their wants are, what their expectations are, um and also that we're learning together, you know, like we don't know who this kid is yet you don't know how to parent perfectly. You've never done it before. It's all a huge group effort, you know. We talked to so many parents and it was informed, you know,
by our personal experiences as well. But this feeling, and Katie, I don't know if you had this when I remember being pregnant and starting and my mother in law was like constantly, you know, what's happening with childcare? What's happening with childcare? Have you found childcare yet? What's going on?
And I couldn't even imagine like holding a baby that was mine, let alone, let alone these women who are like on lists to like, like you said, of women have no options, then some women who do have options are literally trying to get on lists for daycares at their work that might be offered to them while they're pregnant because the list is years of a waiting list.
Like I have friends that work at different you know, studios and uh in Hollywood and it's like, yes, there might be a daycare center in the building, but they can't even get in. It's really hard. And then just the mind boggling nature. How was it for you that transition of like dropping your twelve week old baby off, like you said, like you're dealing with the hormones and the identity shift. You just became a mom less than three months but before, I mean, it's horrible. Yeah, it's
just horrible. I think, well, and for me, you know, I found maternity leave really hard. Like I had gone from running this big team and working with all of these people and seeing people all day every day, and I felt super alone and really isolated, and I kept thinking, I can't wait to get back to work. I can't
wait to get back to work. And I was sort of counting down from the minute that my husband went back to work, especially he didn't even have that he had no paternity leaves, so we took two weeks quote unquote vacation so backwards. We do a bunch of episodes on that on Katie's Crib about the pay family leave and things. I mean, it is a fucking mess. And whoever picked like the three month mark is also insane. We are not set up. We are not set up. And this whole thing of like you can have it
all now, No you can't. You can't. It's impossible. It's so hard unless you're bridget and you're making moves to make changes in support the mothers and the care givers out here. Tell us about neighbor Schools successes. Please brag a little bit, would you? Yes? So, so far since we started the company, we've launched more than seventy daycares
and we are just getting started. And through our research, I think something that's so exciting is we've found there are a hundred thousand people, mostly women, who want to open home daycares, and you know, the sad part is that ninety percent of them will fail because of the administrative and like regulatory hurdles because there are literally a hundred and twenty seven steps to go through this whole process,
and educators are expected to go through it alone. But that's we see that as opportunity because we know there are a hundred thousand people. Think of all the child care spots that that is going to create for families. Think of all of the jobs that is creating right for people who want to work with children, these well paid jobs. So we see that as an incredible opportunity and we're not going to stop until there's a neighbor schools in every neighborhood across the country. Oh my God,
I'm have goose bumps. This is fucking amazing. How okay, you've told us that a caregiver can make anywhere from seventy nine a year from opening a home school. How can a parent find a neighbor schools for themselves? I know you're predominantly based in the Boston area. Yeah, I mean, first and foremost come to our website. Um, you know,
find me, find me. I'm on I'm on Instagram, I'm on LinkedIn, And I want to hear from people, right Like, this is such a deeply personal mission um to me as a mom and as a founder, that I want to hear from from everybody because we see this as a movement. We see this as an opportunity to change the child care system for the future and to make child care accessible and affordable for families across the country. So we want to hear from people, and we want
to know where people are really looking. I mean, we we look at maps, we look at you know, childcare deserts. We think about all of those things as we're expanding and adding you know, new locations. Um, but knowing the humans and the people that are in need right now, or the people that could step up to help with this crisis and that we could help open their own day hairs. Those are the people were trying to connect
with each and every day. A little bit of a dark question, But I know a lot of moms, especially with a twelve week old going back to work, are struggling with a lot of anxiety about passing their kid off. How do does neighbor schools make sure that safety is enforced within each child care location? I mean, Jesus, we
don't even want to talk about. I mean, I remember I never thought I was going to be this kind of mom, And then I remember I had to go back and shoot a scene and my son was eight weeks old, and my postpartum anxiety was rearing its ugly head in this NonStop, obsessive thought of my night nurse shaking my son because he was not sleeping, and I know she was really tired, and I was convinced just because my brain was looking for a villain that made
no sense. How are you guys enforcing the safety? Yeah? I mean, first and foremost, that's why we're focused solely unlicensed home daycare because the rules and regulations right, and that means I don't I don't think even people understand fully what that means, right, Like that means CPR, first Aid certified, like medication administration, safe sleep, child development, all of these pieces. They everybody is background checked in the home. So it's not just the educator, but it's everyone who
lives or is frequently in the home. They're all background checked. The home is um inspected by the licensing agency to make sure that it is safe for kids, and they
do drop in visits. But so that's licensing. The other piece where you know, we my co founders and I all come from a technology background, and where we see technology being so powerful here is is every time a family goes to tour a daycare, right, we are getting information from that family about their experience when they were touring. All the families who are enrolled in a neighbor school's program, they are getting um we're getting feedback from those families
about their experience within the program. So there's this huge opportunity to really use data to have much more visibility into what's happening on a regular basis. And if a parent does say something, then we are able to you know, step in immediately and talk to the educator and work with the educator and the family to resolve it and figure it out. Brilliant. I just love that you're making
school care happening homes. But you have to follow the same rules and regulations as every daycare across the country. So how did you start of neighbor schools services? Um? Again, as the coronavirus pandemic like settled down, how we've adapted to to COVID and what that's looked like over time. Yes,
Okay got well first and foremost. When childcare was shut down in Massachusetts, it was incredibly difficult and for me personally, I was I don't even know, thirty nine weeks pregnant maybe with Brooks at the time that all of that was happening. Luckily he was nine days late, so it gave me a little extra time. Oh my god, bridget to work with the team on it. But um, you know,
it was really hard. It was so unknown. You know, you have you have daycare providers that we're trying to help, We're trying to help families, right Like, that was a really really hard time, and licensing shut down for a while because the state was so over run by handing, Like what do we do with all these COVID protocols that they weren't licensing new people, and so we have you had this perfect storm of like people needing childcare
more than ever before. We're not able to actually help and and create more programs because licensing is shut down and what a shit show. Yes from a business perspective, you know. It allowed us actually some time to really work with families and understand, like I was talking about before, sort of the experience and how we could improve apparent experience and especially during COVID help people feel really secure in their choice and feel like they had that level
of transparency and feel informed. Um. And then in the fall of then licensing started to come back online. Then we had more families you know, looking for care and really the wheels started to turn and everybody came back. UM. But it was more about than the transparency and how do we empower all of the educators to really talk about their COVID protocols. How do we help parents understand what all the COVID protocols are UM and what's being dictated and what that means like can you bring a
love e? Can you not bring a lovey? I mean these really like practical questions. I remember this ship like it was like, well, I kept albeit of school because I was also pregnant, and no one knew. Oh god, but you're right, Like, oh my god. People were like, you can't you can bring a lunch, you can't share a treat, you can't, Like, oh my god, like this trauma. I have to unpack it for like five years. Oh, I can't even imagine. We took my kids to the park over the weekend and I was like, I remember
when the playgrounds were close. Oh my god, they had they had yellow ours had yellow caution tape all over it. Exactly they're doing construction on one of the playgrounds. So I saw that yellow caution tape and I like had this flashback to, oh my god, what's happening. Well, you deserve like a thousand medals because I just fucking shut our doors. And I was like, by you know, like
and I could, whereas other people couldn't. Um, can you tell us like the difference between neighbor's schools and daycares like pros and cons For someone who was weighing it out, sure, there are lots of differences between them. The ones that I think don't always spring to mind. Are thinking about the experience of the caregiver directly right Like in a center based program, if you're touring this is something I
had no idea about. If you're touring a daycare center, they sure to meet the actual teachers, the caregivers who
are going to be with your child. Oftentimes it's going to be an administrator, it's going to be a director or an assistant director, and so really meeting the actual people that are going to be caring for your your kid, because as you were pointing out, Katie, part of it is just feel Part of it is meeting that person and feeling like we're going to have open communication, we're going to have a strong partnership, and you can really only do that if you're meeting the person and you
understand who that person is. Now in home daycare, that's different because the person who's the set like running the daycare is also the educator, and so you're meeting that person from the get go. But even in a home daycare, if they have an assistant, meet the assistant, understand their background, their experience, and and really get to know all the people who will be working with your your Kiddoh Um. The other one that I hadn't thought about really at
all was this idea of continuity of care. Right like in most daycare centers, you transition from room to room once you get to walking or September right, were right, This is like my nieces in daycare. It's like she's about to turn one, and then she gets moved into like the walkers room where she's like the baby, you know, because she's like the oldest in the baby room she currently is in, and she's moved there, moving her to
one nap versus two naps. So now she's going into like the room where the kids have one nap, and so her teachers will change. So a homecare situation, as you will be with this one caretaker through a lot of these milestones, whereas daycare centers your kid will get moved from room to room or teacher to teacher. Right, yep, exactly. And and similarly right, um, there's mixed ages, right like
in a home daycare, it's a mixed age environment. So it's very mantes Sory esque in the sense of you have the older children becoming leaders and they're teaching the younger kids, and the younger kids, you know, see my my son's in this great home preschool and he he's like, oh my god, yes, oh yeah. Same, my my son's in a mixed age two. My son's in mixed age two. He loves the five year of the big the big boys.
He's into it. And he hate my son hates the littles of like, dude, come on, you have a little sister, have some empathy, and he's just like no, Like the three year old kids are like taking his ship and he doesn't like it. Right right, Also, like self reflection, you were just in that totally, totally yeah. But so that's that's I think another key difference is like, which do you feel resonates with you more? Is it important
for you to have that mixed age experience? Is it important for you to have all of the kids relatively a on the same age in this environment where you are transitioning. So so those are some of the pieces that that are different. That's great, that's so helpful. And and the other piece, um is and it's so like boring and practical. But pay close attention to your contracts.
Read your contracts very very thoroughly, regardless of any any childcare setting, right, like whether you're hiring a nanny, make sure your childcare contract is very detailed. We had a nanny who wanted to charge us extra for like reports about what what our child like was, what Hudson was having trouble with, like he was having trouble with tantrums, and she wanted to charge this extra for some like advice. We should do a whole we should I need to
do actually a whole episode on contracts. It's really I answer so many people's questions when their first hiring a nanny because I have my personal experience with it. People are like, what are paid sick days? How much? How many weeks have paid vacation? Do you do? Blah blah blah. And again when I got handed the stack of the contract for where Albie is at preschool, it was thicker than my Obviously, when you get married to someone, it's
like one fucking page. It's literally one page. And then I'm sending my kid to preschool and it is like the fucking thickest thing, which I'm sure yours is too for daycares, but you really got to look at that ship of like vacations, like what happens if your kid gets hurt? Has an allergic reaction. Like you said, like administering medication sunscreen. I mean it's like insane. Yes, it totally is, and it should be right, like like that's part of what makes you feel like this is such
a trusted environment. But I mean one of the centers we were at, it was an annual contract and we didn't actually know that until we signed, and then it was like if we needed to change, and we were on the hook for the tuition for the rest of the year. So read the contract, retract because if you're not happy there, you want to leave, you might still be paying for six months. Okay, great to know. What are a top few lessons you've learned from your podcast
Work Like a Mother? Oh, my goodness, so many things about the podcast. I mean, just to give everybody some background about the podcast, I shared a little bit about how I felt super lonely and isolated with my first maternity leave. Um, but I had friends, like I had these incredible fellow working mothers that I could rely on
for advice. And one of my closest friends, she actually had a baby a month before me, so we got to spend time together and with Brooks being born and uh, pandemic where work is now remote and we didn't see anybody. I mean, we literally didn't see anybody at all. My father, I think, met Brooks for the first time when he was six months old. Like, we just didn't see anybody.
It was a totally different ballgame. I mean, I wanted to share this experience of returning to work and all the ups and downs and having that community that I longed for and had with my first work. Like a mother came out of that, that experience of wanting to share that with others, to create that community of mother's coming together so that they could feel I think, a
little less alone and the other pieces. It's so easy and and I feel like, I mean I still battle this right I look on Instagram and think everyone else has it perfect. Oh my god. I actually was going
to bed. I was going to bed last night thinking I'm gonna fucking delete this app, like honestly and not permanently, but just like for a week, because like I was going to bed looking at like lunch boxes and these things for travel, and then I was like going to her shop page of like how I needed to pack his snacks, and I was like, what am I doing? Looking at this at night. This is not her fault.
She's incredible. This is my own ship. I'm so glad Worked Like a Mother exists because it is a battle between feeling inspired by other moms, but then also at the same time keeping it really real and patting ourselves on the back that even if I didn't pack my ship the way that woman did or whatever, it really just depends on the mood you're in. Like sometimes I'm like, oh, that's really inspired me, and then some moods I'm I'm just like I'm a failure. I'm a total failure. I
suck like I screamed at my son twice yesterday. I was like, yesterday was not a good mom day. But I think that that's a great reason to create a podcast. Is making women feel less alone. Information is power, making people laugh and just taking away some of the perfect imagery that is surrounding us. And it's just not true. It's just not true. What has been your favorite interview from Work Like a Mother so far? And you don't
have to say me. I was going to say, well, okay, well, well, um, I have to say Emily aust I mean, Emily incredible, so incredible, She was a lifesaver to me during my pregnancy. And actually Brian, my co founder, is the one who gave me her book, and he said, you're gonna know the the original Expecting Better Better, It's amazing. And I carried that around like bible, like I literally, you know, I was like, okay, like, what does Emily say about this? Was Emily say about that? So that was a really
incredible experience. And she's an incredible follow on Instagram. Yes, she's an incredible following this time because it's just factual and information. I don't feel judged. It's great. Um, that's a great interview. And please everyone listened to Work like a Mother's Emily Astar episode and Katie's Crave episode with Emily Astar because she's looking amazing. Finish this sentence. Parenthood is a journey with lots of ups and lots of downs,
and you will get through it to the other side. Everyone, thank you for listening to this episode of Katie's Crib Again. Go look at Neighbor Schools dot com if you're looking for a neighbor school, if you want to figure out how to start a neighbor school, if you want to go to a neighbor school. If you know a caretaker who should be an educator with neighbor schools. All of the above go to Neighbor Schools dot Com also work like a mother of the podcast that Bridget Garsh hosts
is incredible. Bridget Garsh, thank you so much for coming on Katie's Crib. Oh my goodness, so much fun. Thank you so much for having me. Thank you guys so much for listening to today's episode. I want to hear from you. Let's chat questions, comments, concerns. Let me know. You can always find me at Katie's Crib at shataland dot com. Katie's Crib is a production of Shonda land
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