Sharon Osbourne

Sound familiar and I think you're going to love this conversation. Let's get started. So nice to meet you. I feel like have we met? Have we met on your show? I feel like I know you, but I don't know if I've actually ever met you know, we haven't met.

That's crazy, Okay, Well, yeah, there's been a lot about you that over the years, about a lot about your family and you guys have been in this crazy stew of entertainment and drama and media and really in the beginning of reality television as we know it now with family dramas and then all the branches of your family going off in different ways. And um, wow, as I as I think about you, I think you have had a very colorful, crazy life. Yeah, I don't know, Bethany.

When you get to my age, you feel you've lived like three lifetimes. You know, It's like because we were always changing, these people aren't We were always evolving. So you know what it was forty years ago, it isn't today. You know, Well, what do you think about It's like, what when you think about age? What do you feel about age? What do you think about age? And are you vain? Are you insecure? You're trying to chase youth in any way? Like where are you on age? No,

age doesn't bother me. It bothers me. It'll health bothers me, but age doesn't bother me. I've never been one of these women that have been crazy about age. And oh my god, I mustn't tell my real age. And I've got to keep trying to look better I look. I have cosmetic surgery for me, for me, not for anybody else, because I wasn't a very good looking young girl. And I'm like, I do it for me, and I it makes me feel confident. But I don't go in there and say I want to look forty or fifty, you know,

I don't. I just certain things about my face I've never liked and I've changed and I'm happy. But being seventy in a month doesn't bother me. I couldn't give a ship because I've got confidence, I've got knowledge, and I have more knowledge being seventy obviously than I did

when I was twenty, and I like that, right. So for example me, so I've I've had botox, but not maybe once a year, not because I wouldn't get it more off, and I forget like I'm not a vain person, and I mean, I almost wish that I were more meaning if I get my makeup done and my I do my own color, but and I never get my hair cut. But if I get my own makeup done, I want to look good, and then I feel bad if I don't like, I'll look at the picture and

be like, well that sucks. I hired, but I had the wrong and I went out and I went on that carpet and I did it wrong. So that will annoy me. But I'm not a proactive look at my face everyday person. So I ask you, because I've had celebrities say to me, um, oh honey, you're late, Like everyone else is just lying. They're all doing it, And then I get anxiety. I think, like probably many women listening where I'm like, well, how do I know? And

how would I even know what to do? Like that's not something I know a lot about, and it's always changing. And who's going to tell you when you're supposed to do something? Not everything, but like who's gonna say when you're supposed to do the string thing or the next thing or the half thing or the I think the string thing that's the kiss of death. That's like it was like a phase. Certain doctors do it, and it's horrific. It's very dangerous. It's horrific. But the thing is, you

know what it is, don't care what people say. It's what you feel and you want. Don't give a shit about anybody else. If you're good in your skin, then that's all that matters. And write it like because I'll be the one that ends up looking like a clown. Like I'll be the one that looks crazy. What the fund did she do to her face? So anyway, that's why I ask you, because but it's like, you know what, so what hasn't everyone done that? I mean, you see people and you go, whoa dear, But do you know

what you learned for the next time? Wh it's a ship? Are you? Are you a nice person? Are you have you got a good soul? That's soul that really matches. It's the people who have no real humility, real sense of soul that are just superficial. Everything is superficial, right. We need more role models that are not. That's why it's good. You know what, I'm glad you're saying. If it doesn't bother you, don't look for don't look for

aunts at the picnic. Like if I'm not bothered, so people listening, if don't do it because you hear other people are doing something. If it doesn't bother you, don't do it. So that's where I'm gonna stand on vanity and age. I'm gonna stick where I am. Okay, your marriage has been publicly speculated for so so long, and how much how much do you have your own identity in this relationship? Like you became you were you were you were you were in the music industry, so you've

always sort of been in mess. You've been together since you were kids, Like how have you created your own life and your own destiny while so attached and adjacent to someone else. I worked for my father, who was a very big entrepreneur in the industry. And when I worked from my father, it was, Oh, her father is not She's okay, she can she knows what she's talking about. It was always, oh, she's the daughter of But I started to manage Aussie, it was oh, well she's fucking hymn.

So you know what. And then I decided in my head, I'm just not going to take this. I know more than a lot of guys in the industry, and I'm going to be somebody. And I developed this persona for myself of don't mess with me because I know much more than you. So I would go into meetings and I conducted myself in a way that I really wasn't and I put up this shield and then people started to give me respect. But then they because I was a woman acting that way, she's a bit, she's a bit.

But when a guy acts that way, oh he is a tough he don't mess with him. Fifty years ago, there were no women with any power in the music industry. Women were not even assistance Oh, my secretary will make you a coffee. That's what women were and men didn't like it. And you know, in this industry, it was all you know, um, the men they go to the game, and they go to a strip club, then they go

do their coke, then they do this. And why would I want to be in social with any of the people in the industry that I had to work with, you know, like a record company or a publisher or people in TV. I had my closed circle. But the thing is I had to maintain this person that I wasn't at home, and that the only way to get respect from these guys and to say, don't mess with

me because I know what I'm talking about. And so I had to develop this that was long before people were always talking about feminism and female empowerment and the glass ceiling and all those things. That's a language that's creeping created that is very valuable. But it's the same thing for me because not until I break it down and I reverse engineer do I think about all the times that men have tried to explain things to me.

I recently did something and I spoke to a man and we're in the exact same position in something, and they were speaking to me in a way that I said, no, no, you're not. I'm not the junior partner in this relationship. Like I had to lift my leg and urinate all over this situation. But I wouldn't have even realized that because we get used to people talking to us in a certain way and it's just a subtle microaggression I'm

better than you male female thing. I mean, it's not so black and white where you could just say, oh, I've experienced the disparity in the workplace, Like I couldn't even pinpoint until recently I thought, oh, that has happened to me so long, I just became more of a pit bull to deal with it exactly, you know what I mean. Like you're saying, like I wasn't thinking about being a woman or being a man. I was just always plowing through. And it turns out it's work. But

you have to deconstruct it to really realize it. In many situations, you realize you're do you have to literally go back, pull the conversation past and then go, oh my god. And then it's like I can come out of meetings and go, did I really say that? Oh

my god? But you have to. You know, how many times have you been in a situation where somebody looked at your time we're like, wow, nice twins, like with your boobs or something of that, or your headlights or like that's happened a thousand times of men that I've worked I didn't even think about it because that's the way it was. Like imagine be like, oh, nice bulge, Dan, Like, it's just crazy the stuff that we've out with that you don't even think about because of the way that

we've come up in this business. That is exactly right. And can you imagine us in a in a corporation talking to men the way mentor no, big dick, Hey, big dick Dan, Like it's crazy, Oh yeah, they come over here. Yeah, No, it's so true. We don't think about it. So I think, you know, so many people to sell books and to have like splashy segments on morning shows talk about it as if the language is female empowerment and what have you experienced in the workplace

of men. That's also formal, it's sort of you should we should be asking the questions like how many times has someone you know just talked about your breasts or your body? Or some not so subtle way, but not over it either. Like it's just been a situation where someone is just saying something that you got used to.

You didn't even realize it, you know. But do you know what, I never was in that bracket because of the way I look, and I used to be two hundred and third he pounds up my high and I'm only five ft two high of my youth, and it was all I didn't realize it at the time, but it was all just the shield, a shield of like when I come in that room, they'll know who's come in that room. Wow, that's interesting. Okay, So that's another big area for you with your family. Food, food noise,

the relationship to food, like the ups and downs. So how do you navigate that? What have you learned about your relationship with your food? Your family's wished of the way that everybody was raised with frankly, a lot of excess, probably excess food, excess drugs, alcohol, highs, lows, famous, not famous, money enough like all that. My kids have seen so

much when they were kids, so much. Unfortunately, they've witnessed, roused, they've witnessed, you know, not just that dad, but other people that we've worked with that you know out of it, draw drugs, whatever. And I would always say, you never want to be like that. Look at that person there this, Look at that person there that never want to be like that. Unfortunately it didn't work for two of the

because of just they absorb everything. It's just it's it's it's just water seeks its own level kind of thing. And they went out and they did whatever they wanted to do. And with my son, he was in. He was in we have at seventeen, and I got him just at the right age, because you know from a teen I couldn't have him put in rehab. You could only so we we got him at seven teams could him in. He was in for six months and then he did a year of out patient. Never had a

drink or drugs since. And he's the only one in his peer group that the kids at that time that he was in treatment with that has stayed clean and sober and he has never touched would, thank god, gone back. How do you talk to parents about this? Parents blame themselves. I'm sure you blamed yourself. It could be completely you

could be not you at all. It could be nature nurture, heredity, genetics, the music's a thousand things, and and a lot of people think that when a child is in a child of somebody in the music industry or film industry or whatever, it is, somebody that's used to excess of everything and life is too easy. They're the kids that go in. It's every it's from every walk of life. This disease, alcohol,

drugs is in every walk of life. But literally when kids are young, like you know, some people my friends are European where the kids will have a little bit of wine at the table when they're young. It's not such a blowout extreme where they're like they have been forbidden and then they do it. And then I used to work with Paris Hilton and she had her own young fame, and I've seen it every way. There are no rules, are there are no parenting tips for this?

Is it? Just watch and listen. What what do we say? How have we done drugs? And we're gonna tell them not to do drugs? How have we how do we drink under age? We're gonna tell them not to drink under age? A you know, I was going to the Palladium is fourteen years old. New York City, the nightclub. So how are we what are we telling our kids? What are we doing? What? The only thing we can do is show him the outcome. Show him the outcome.

And when you are excessive with drunk, being with alcohol and drugs, you're either gonna winda under a bridge, living under a bridge, right, dying or becoming mental. That's it. That's that's you know, to the kids, think that your life is going to be easy. Some people survive and get through that net, but there are very few. There are very very few of people that drink a lot

and use a lot of drugs that actually survived. Now with the new drugs that are on that you can get that are accessible to kids on the street, they are so dangerous. Oh my god, that's Russian roulette. It is it is Russian roulette, now, I mean it's insanity. That's Russian roulette. It's crazy. That's that's really right. Do you have what's your relationship to alcohol, drugs, substances, your

your emotional and mental and literal relationship. Well, I came from this Jewish father that was totally totally against drugs and alcohol, even though his world was full of it because of being in the industry, and I listened. I was afraid. I was definitely afraid. Never been, It's never been my thing. I've never smoked a cigarette in my life. You don't have an addictive personality at all in that boo sphere food, food, and spending. That's my action. Who

spending on? What? On? What I have? I don't want to say addiction, but I have binge and purge, spending like guilt and then want to get rid of things and by fit like I have a relationship because I used to think. This is what I used to think. I used to think, if I make my house perfect, perfect, perfect, perfect, my husband is going to be so happy. He's so comfortable. Did he need to drink? He's never gonna need a

drink or a drug because this house is perfect. And if I look perfect, maybe like all the you know, the goals that hang out at gigs, he's going to be so happy. He's never gonna need to leave home for anything. No, and you, but it's so funny, but don't haven't you learned that? It's like what's how you are inside? Like your energy that's the thing that attracts and make somebody want to be you know, be there,

of course. But when I was younger, I would think that's it and then realize that it's all fucking you know, easiness in your head. You're just grasping at something to try and make a relationship work or somebody better, and you don't realize that you can't make that person better till they want to be better. Well, right, somebody once that on here. I don't fix my partner. I fix me.

They fix them, like it's crazy to do that. I have a friend going through right now in her marriage and wants to She's gonna do this, and that's gonna make him do this. She's gonna call a lawyer and that's gonna be I'm like, no, you gotta fix you. You you do that? That's yeah? Wow? Well what about so what about spending? Now? Do you have to control yourself? Do you like closet shop? Is it online or not? Not online? I don't like buying online. I like the

process of going out walking around stores. I that's where I my mind switches off all the problems that I had. I just walk around aimlessly. And it's funny because my fiance said to me the other day, because I was going to buy something very nice. That was finally like when I was able to get a good deal on and he said, I think you should get that. But a lot of the smaller things, so it's not about money.

He was, like a lot of the smaller things that you're like filling some other kind of void with that. And I was thinking with you just now, like it's not about them. It doesn't sound like it's about the money. Like you don't have a problem where it's affecting your life and where you're gonna have less money for your kids or for whatever your legacy. It's really unless you've got into real financial problems because of spending, or it's just the emotional it's spending the emotion of going out,

walking around, buying myself looking. I mean everybody likes nice things, Yes, I of course I do, and I like to dress well and it's like my time for me, So it's not a problem. It is because I do it too much, and I do it for everybody else too much. I can go out and I can spend more than I ever should. But get that for the babies back from

my son. The gift you like hurt you like the app same gifts gifts gifts Christmas, and then Christmas becomes the worst because as I'm shopping for other people, I see things for myself and then I'm in this hole and I'm like, now it's more purchasing for everybody same time. And it's like my son always says to me that the way I show my love is I'm a gift giver and I show how much I love you. I'm there. Oh I just saw this. I thought you might like it.

And so it sounds that we're very it's noisy. It's noisy. It's very noisy for you. And what about your relationship to food? How do you manage? Because food is something you must be involved in all day every day. So how do you have a relationship with food? Oh? Yeah, you know. I've had the band operation and then I lost a hundred and thirty pounds and then I found out a way of eating around the band. Oh my god.

So then I put on weight and then I put on fifty pounds after that, and then my doctor removed the band because they found out that it's not good for you anyway, because you know, they're always you know, after after people have had it for like ten years, it's not good. So they took it out and they gave me what they called the sleeve. Uh huh. They cut your stomach. Also very intense, very intense. And since I had that, I can't eat as much as I did, so I kind of graze through the day. I don't

like eating a big meal. Were the same person, Yeah, I like it all the time. When I want to hate everybody being obsessed with the meal time because I'm not hungry at the meal time. It gives me. It's so funny and I can't eat that much, you know, like three course meal. It's like, no, I can't do it right. You'd rather have like sushi. We're gonna have a few bites of different things and you can choose as you go. Interesting. Wow okay yeah? Um, So infidelity

another big three. You have big themes, like I could see the cover of your book with like big bold food and weight and substance and infidelity. That's another big part of your life's identity. So, um has that do you feel like you're insecurity? Was part of why that happened or did that make you insecure or does it have nothing to do with you? Like? What about infidelity?

Just in relationships? Because so many people experience that. I married a man that I knew was cheated because he cheated on his first wife with me and also groupies. I mean, he's just one of those guys. But again, I was used to working with guys in the industry and they all cheated on everyone. So I thought, Okay, as long as it's not a relationship, I can deal

with this. Oh interesting, I think this, and you really could do with it, because, by the way, you're allowed to craft your own ala carte relationship as much however you want. A lot of people have boxes and everyone's coloring outside of the lines. Yeah, I'm like, you know what, what does it mean? Somebody's going to give him a blow job? And so I don't care, poor you. So

I always had that thing in my mind. But then when his addiction went to sex, and it was he had women all over the world that he would call because he travels the world over and over again, at people in Japan, people in South South America, England, here, and they will becoming regulars. It's like, how do you know? How did you now? Were you doing investigative reporting or

you just were looking like an idiot. It was getting back to you, because many people feel that the problem with infidelity for them is not like you said, getting a blowjob one lesson you have to give, but feeling like a schmuck, like you're the last person to know and everybody thinks you're an idiot, a schmuck. Like it breaks you as a person. It breaks you as a person. And it's like that you did it with that and you're calling that person and she's calling you. And then

it's the texting. But my husband is so like he always slips up, always always slips up. Started to send me text is he's sending to some fucking old and it's like busted, busted, God. Yeah. And then it was like, okay, we can deal with some you know lady that gives you massages, that's got two kids to keep and you want to fire a son of guitar and this, that and the other. And it's like, well that's funny too. You're bringing money into it, which a lot of women,

a lot of women think about it. He's gonna go fuck her, You're not gonna buy her family stuff. Like people get into like it's your money now too, it's your money that's being spent on somebody else by the way, you know, the odd guitar, and I would say, click the fuck is this? What the funk? I'm sorry to be so hard he is. I'm being truthful here. What the fund do you care of her? Some wants to learn guitar. He's fucking ten years old, he's got his

whole life. It's not your fucking job. Massage my neck and get the funk out of here. These were your rules, you make up. These are wow, so but that never worked. The rule, the rule, the rule, the last button on the coach, then then then the then the screen gets smaller. Right now you're on the like O. Then you get busted big time because he gets away, he gets away, he gets away, and then there's some fucking Russian in England and the fucking you know, somebody from Japan coming

over wants to see more. It's like, your fucking busted me. You're busted. But what does that even? Okay, So you have kids. Your kids are probably knowing about this, and they have a different viewpoint of all this, I'm sure, but you're busted. What does that mean? You're married, you made a choice to be here, and it sounds like you've been. Really, that's an interesting thing. You made a

choice that those things are not mutually exclusive. That's terrible and that's something that is unacceptable at that level based on the rules that you guys set with each other. But you and as that to the commitment you were married. As you get older, as you get old, remember I've known him since I was eighteen. As get older and you get forty, fifty, sixty, and when it happens when you're in your sixties, you're like, you have to be fucking joking. This is this is a fucking nightmare, right,

fucking insanity? Fuck am I doing with you? If you don't respect me enough that you are playing games and lying con certainly lying about what you're doing, who you're talking to, who you're texting, It's like, then you know what, I don't respect you, to get the funk out of my house. But then does that work. It's the last time I did it. I left him. I wouldn't talk to him for three months, and he the children were my son was like, see your dad and my goals.

Of course their daddy is, you know, and they shouldn't interfere because it isn't their business. They're adults were, you know, on the last chapter of our lives, and it's like, it's nothing to do with them, but my goals were course with their daddy. And it's just like, this is insanity. I'm not going to have my last chapter of my life with you still fucking going after these. And he

always went with women. And I know a lot of people are going to say to me, oh, you're just saying that because you you know, it makes you feel better, But he would always go with women that were less than because it made him feel bigger. Well also, I mean, but here's the other thing. It literally has so little to do with looks in the world. It's someone going for someone else to make them feel like a god who's not going to nag them about the stupid ship

and what they're eating. And this is the line. This is the line. This is what I wear every day with my fiance. Okay, Like I don't have makeup, and I told you Matt vain so and and he is the most loyal person. But men are gonna not like we're not making the same effort we used to. And I'm not been saying that I even't signed up, but no one you didn't sign up with you. Yeah, I'll put I'll put myself out what I want to do.

I walk around. I'm not one of these women that do the sexy loans now I know that's the fact. I'm fucking years past that anyway, And it's as like, oh, in my country, you're a god and love you. All this adulation, constant, constant adulation where I go, shut the funk up and go eat your broccoli and don't have drunk food. Yeah, exactly. It's not sexy to be the wife. It's sexy to be the hooker. Yeah, I got it. And so after the last time, which of course got everywhere,

I'm not embarrassed. There's nothing to me at all. Have I done? What have I done? It's him, he's the arshole, not me. But the three months I told him to stay away, he missed his family. He actually moved in with Kelly, and um, he missed his family unit, he missed me. He then decided to stop doing the drink because he he was Those are related? Those are those are related? Drinking and infidelity. I mean it's stupid decisions, your judgment. Yes, and he's been ten years clean and sober.

He's listen. He's been his since forty years. He's been trying to get clean and sober. He would go a year, he would go a year and a half of them foo, he would lose it again. And so periodically through our relationships, theres been long terms of sobriety. He'd go out, he'd go back into rehab, he clear, clean up. But this time it's been a period of ten years and his age and where he is in his life, and he's wants to make amends to everybody and in particular himself. Nice.

You just wasted on the young, right. Yeah, he's making amends. He's a better person. We are fine. I love him more than any man I've ever met in my life. I was never never a big data or you know, I was never one of those women. I was work, work, working, each You don't not you. You have no interest in going out, and like sexism, what's driving you? That's not the void. You want to go shop, You may want to go eat, but you don't you having sex is

not your thing. You're's not your noise. And it happens a lot more for men for some reason than women, although there are women who have that. But the reason I what I'm getting to, and this is saying youth has waste abound me young. I think a lot of young women who just want the dress and the ring and the wedding and the stupid ship boy friend. Yes, either sports person or he's got to be an entertainer or or a racing driver. It's like, come on, or

just the money. They just want to be taking. They don't know what this whole ride is going to be. And you've got to look for someone who's going to be ride or die and who's going to be in

the foxhole with you. And I think that, you know, in talking to Hillary Clinton, it was interesting to me because you know, her whole life and relationship has been boiled down to a series of infidelities with her husband, and I imagine they've had a lot more go on in the three d sixty five days of a year than just some infidelity, Like why did you stay with him? Why he's my husband? I made a commitment. These are my reasons in my life, on my journey, and this

is what matters to me and my commitment. Like everybody wants to put whatever they think in their mind, the construct in their mindor relationships supposed to be on everybody else until they're in those shoes. And so I understood Hillary Clinton, like, it's not about what someone's doing on Valentine's Day, what do they do in the other three sixty four? So I fought around, okay, but what else? I totally understood Hillary Clinton with every single thing she

did until she ran for president. And she didn't say I know what your roles thinking. I know what you're thinking. And when she did the debate with Trump, same and game Trump had all those women, the first thing I would have said was I would have come out and let's say, ladies and gentlemen America, I want you all to know that Mr Trump has brought several ladies here that my husband is like in delities with welcome them.

Please yes, Because I think she should have she should have said when she when you go low, I go hot. She should have said you going low. But you know what I'm getting in the mud with you. The thing is that you have a similarity and that you have a relationship and a and a lifestyle that seems to have defined your relationship. And there's been so much more. And I ask you what matters in relationship? We're not

going to get at all. No one's gonna get someone's loyal and rich and caring and bedside so and hot or whatever. What what matters? Like what has kept this partnership together? Because you have said you love him more than anything in the world, and he has definitely publicly disrespected you. So what really matters if you're trying to get three you know five out of ten things in

a relationship. What matters to you and to your relationship? Obviously, I loved him more than any man I've ever known. I respect him as a person, and I know that sounds funny because at times he definitely hasn't respected me, but I expect him. He's the funniest fuck I've ever met.

In my makes me laugh so much. I know in my soul, in my heart, in everything that he says to me, that he's never loved anyone the way he loves me, and he knows he's disrespected me, he knows everything that he's done to me, and he lies beside me at night, holds me and says, I'm sorry, I'm here. I love you. If I could do it all again, and what what more can I ask for? I married

him knowing I was marrying an alcoholic addict. I knew that rapstor and so you know, right, I knew what I was marrying, but I thought I could change him. And you have to know you cannot change anyone. They have to want to change themselves, better themselves, change themselves. There's nothing you can do. You can lead them to a path, but did they take that path? Totally true? And even I think about this with staff, with friends, with relationships. You can't make a dog a cat. If

you have a cat, it's a cat. You cannot make a dog a cat. You cannot make a cat a dog. You have to embrace what someone is. And you did marry so yeah, you have to take your a couple. But you're married a rock star at it. So there you know. I went out with lawyers, I went out with accountants. I but did I wanted that type of man. No, So I have to have a dark side inside of me. But I could have gone for the what was expected of me to marry some professional man, and I didn't.

I didn't want it. Yes, So now you you know, as much as I always talk about cancelation, my perspective is just a viewer that's not like living inside Sharon's life or head. Was that you were on the Talk and I think it was on the Talk talking about what Piers Morgan's said, and then you ended up being called a racist because of something you said about Piers. And then shortly thereafter, for another reason, you are asked to leave the show, which I don't believe is separate.

I believe everything's connected. And then I message you like either sorry that happened to you or good you're using your voice. I don't know what I said, but I felt something for what had happened to you, because I too had said a sentence about Maggie Markel and literally lost hundreds of thousands of dollars of deals, and like people, I mean, I was like, what just what the fund do?

What just happened? And now it's popular to talk about this person a year later saying the exact same thing and not get in trouble, and it's all it's crazy, it's insanity, it's insanity. And then the world has put it. Oh, I'm team Sharon, Oh I'm team this one here. Political or because you say something about a person, you're a racist or a Republican orger what if you just have

an opinion about a person. Yeah, and this thing you say, just politics, right, why can't It's very weird to me that this country is so huge and there's only two parties. That that's what I never understand about this country. If you also, if you're not wearing a mask and you and you voted for Trump, and if you don't like Megan Markle, you voted for Trump, like that that what

does that have to do it? Planity? It's insanity. Yeah, pick you up, put you in that box like, hey, hey, I like this bit about this party, this bit about this party. So I'm in the middle, right, No, yeah, if you like the stachio ice cream, you voted for Hillary Clinton. I mean it's so arbitra. Yes, it's something. It's all like, it's all everybody puts you with these boxes. Oh you must be this, you must be this, or

hold on. My friend happened to know Megan Markle and that was never put out here, but he knew Megan Markle for a year. They would hang. She was the one that reached out to him on social media. La la la. She was a fan. So many of you. I know that, yes, I know this because I know she also wanted to get on watch What Happens Live

and they didn't. She wasn't at that point. She was just thought she was on suits and wasn't an interesting Yes, nobody, did you see did you ever see Megan Markle on the cover of a magazine when she was in suits? Did you ever see her on a late night chat show when she was in suits? No? No? And that's by the way, it's fine to carry up. It's fine

what we what we're watching now? And I thought to myself because I've spoken out on this a lot, as you know, and we have to look within ourselves as to what it what bothers us is it's something fraudulent, is it's something inauthentic? Why it bothers us? Because we have to look at that. I look at myself. Pierce has to look at himself. We you know, but I I each our own face every day and go are you good? Are you bad? You shouldn't have done that? Right?

Why do I think about this and not the brittany thing? And I do so. So I today was thinking why because to have to be an authority on so many things when what you've done is you've been on television and you stand at podiums. You are a podium stander talking like what you you went to you Valdi And okay, you're on a podium talking to people or like you're just like you're on a podium tour. So so that doesn't mean you're smarter than me, or because you married

a prince. You have this institutional knowledge about the world that I don't have. And I was saying on here, I think that people don't like to be talked down to. Did you see what Mandela is now son said, well, there was a comment that Megan had made about in South Africa. She was told by this actor from Lion King. Was told by this South African actor that in South Africa when she got married, they were dancing in the streets like they did when Mandela was released from jail

after twenty six years in prison. So she she repeated that story on her podcast. Now the actor who she was was meant to have said, this doesn't recall the conversation. Does that matter? Yeah, so ah, this is Craiz. Listen. After that, Mendellas, Mandela's son turned around and said, how can you compare when my father fought sixty My my grandfa my grandfather fought sixty years for apartite and you just married a white prince. How can you compere? So? Is he being by it? Is he being struck off?

Is he blacklisted? No? But Sharon, here's the thing that I think is important for people to know. Timing and the way I got caught in the cross party, the timing, how could I the big, the big partners at these major multibillion dollar companies kids and deals with me. I was like, what I said a sentence, like, but it's okay to say that sentence today. It wasn't a year ago. Because tides turn, and it's really hard to be a person who's willing to speak your mind when you're supposed

to wait for it to be popular. It's like, what the hell? And so the thing now as you say, it's like eighteen months later, anybody can say anything. I know it's not it wasn't popular them. But that's just to say with you, you went through a bit of a ship storm and I'm sure upset you mine. It's made it that, um, I'm untouchable. I am untouchable in this country. I can go to Australia I can go to Canada. I can go to not for long. I by the way, I don't think for long, and I

give you a lot of credit. But I decided to go back in and my friends were like, why the hell. I'm like, I don't want to. I checked my balance on my my bank and I did the show to talk, not to stifle and say the same thing everybody else is saying. At the filter my pictures, it was like, we know what it's like. This is the way I felt about it. CBS and a few women that were obviously um not liking me, and I thought that they

did stab me in the back. And the thing is that they're going to stop me doing something for for me that I love to do. Are they going to put the full stop on my career? No way, I will not allow that to happen. So it's like you just carry on. You carry on. It's like you think, oh, time walk here at all. It hasn't killed here. And I bet I bet you were coming there too. You probably haven't popped your head out enough because you still think it's the same way. But just having popped my

head out, it's different. And my question to you is where does Piers lie in all this is he how he's on top of the world, doesn't he? So can you work with him and do something? We do? We do? We do And Piers has been up. See I've known him for thirty years and he has always always supported Aussie and I he adores Aussie. He adores my kids as I adore his kids. It's a true friend. And when it happened, he was like, you've got to get

up and fight. You cannot allow this. But also the thing about getting up and fighting, I agree with your way. I agree things get swollen and things are pick that and need to do. You need to step back and let them heal and then come in a different way. You're not a person who just goes to sleep forever. But I don't. I'll go and say what I feel and then I'll go into my turtle shelf for a minute because if it comes too much, I'm nauseated over myself and my own thoughts. So you got to pick

your spots and um. But you're not one who wants to be stifled. And where is your career now? Like how do you feel about your career now? What do you want it to be? And what is it. I'm busy and that's what I cannot. I've work since I was fifteen, so I'm not going to stop now. Oh these new album is coming out tomorrow Sat Camber nine. We're doing a movie, a life movie on him. I've got three different shows in England I'm working on. So it's like, I'm fine, You're busy, you're successful, you feel

financially thrilled, like you're fine. Money is never an issue for you, know because I've always had Aussie there great, so you don't have that worry. You're doing what you want to do and feeling passionate. But don't you also feel like for me? So I've never been offered more things and have more opportunities. I've never turned more things down. I only want to do what I like to do.

And even like, you know you'll get my publicist, Well, this is something and you really should do it, and we know it's not paid, but this person did it, and that famous person did it and you and I'm like, but I don't want to do it. I don't think it's going to change anything. I don't want is it is it philanthropy? Is it paid? Is it not? Time away from my daughter, like is it here in my house? These are the things I want. I don't want to do things that I that I don't want to do

that even make a lot of money. I have turned down millions of dollars on Housewives, millions of dollars on selling stuff on TV, like I keep taking it down smaller and this I want to do. I want to talk to you. I want to say what I feel. I enjoyed this. I don't want to do what I don't enjoy me to me too. It's like you come to a point in your life where what are you you want to be? Uh in your face celebrity or

do you want to be true to yourself? Yes? And and and for people even who are even who just work in an office or different levels of their career. You the muscle like you don't realize even how many things you're saying yes to, like as a mother with your kids, and with the friends, and with the social plans and the traveling Like I went on four trips this summer. I realized I don't like to leave my house. Why am I going away and packing and transacting and

doing these things that look good on paper? And then you do them, and you're like, that's not even me. And it's the same thing with work. We just say yes to so many things. They sound good on a calendar four months, your people pleasing yes exactly exactly. You go, why the funk am I here? I do want to be here? Why did I say yes? Yes? And now people that have worked for me, some of them for over thirty years, and they go to me, why are

you saying yes, you're right? And I'm like, you're right, you're right, you're right because you people, please, sure, I'll turn up for you. Yes, I'll be there. I'll do this. Oh, I don't mind if it's twelve hours for well and then you're there and you're grabbed. She's like, why am I exactly? So we agree on a lot. So I just always ask what your rose and your thorn of your career work, because sometimes these are surprising, even though we talked about so much, Oh, my lord, my roses,

my husband's career. My thorn was a show that I did for v H one. They did what I think that they do on Housewives. They'll wind somebody up so they know your achilles heel. Wow. Oh yes, and I've got this girl's hair extensions and I yank and they said something about my husband and I just went. But it was a wind up by the production crew because this girl didn't have the mentality to think about herself. But I've never worked on one of those shows before.

I love to set you against each other, and that was the thorn. That's so amazing. So that's not something anyone would ever think. And then last, how are your kids? I think great. My son just had his fourth daughter, wow, four girls, and Kelly is pregnant and she's due in two months. And my eldest daughter is doing her writing and living her life and she's as happy as anything. So so you're happy every every the band is back together, good as he is getting better, you know, with his illness,

every day is getting stronger and stronger. So my life is good and I can honestly say I'm not I'm now. I hold no hostilities against anything that was done to me except for CBS, and I will never ever forgive that network. How can you fight CBS. I didn't want to take two three years in core fight in them. It's like that would have been two or three years out of my life. That's all I would have done was do depositions and think about them, and it's like

you're not worth it. They didn't give me, like it was reported millions of dollars when I went, yeah, no, I never want anyone to say that I was paid that money because I wasn't and I don't want their money, so it's like, fuck them. That's like a movie, like the Roger Ales movie about Fox. It sounds like a documentary and it will happen one day. Yeah, yeah, they better watch out. Um, you're amazing and it's such a good time. I'm so glad I got to meet you.

Sharon Osborne legend, married to a legend, so early in the reality television space with her family, that was just exhilarating. People are so filtered and worried, and I always say, just you know, mentioned at all and if you want to take something out, this has not got you at all. But I want to have conversations and really hear about someone. I mean, Sharon is just a gangster. She was so honest.

There's no way she couldn't have been honest. She didn't watch a single comma, not a word, just like me. We are so similar and I always find these similarities in people on the show that I just find extraordinary. I was so amazing. That was one of my favorite interviews ever. Sharon gives zero Fox and just amazing, and she went through the goddamn ringer over defending Piers Morgan in relation to Meg and Markel. Like Sharon and I both have a thing that happened to us surrounding Mega Markle.

So wow, just an amazing, amazing interview. Thank you for listening.